Patrick Vieira

[Spur]

What say you?

Personally, I'm a yes.

A Vieira Palacios central midfield partnership should be feared. Free's up Lennon and Luka, allows us to play 5 across the middle with ample protection for the defense.

Past his best, but probably still better than anyone else we are likely to get, as with Beckham. Can't substitute for experience either.

[MarlowSpurs]

Can't be any worse than old small bollocks Jenas

[crisyj]

i honestly can not believe two of you have said get him in - i thought it would be a unanimous NO - im deeply disapointed in you!!

[MarlowSpurs]

i honestly can not believe two of you have said get him in - i thought it would be a unanimous NO - im deeply disapointed in you!!

I'm constantly disappointed in meself:crying: :sad: :crying:

[Spur]

i honestly can not believe two of you have said get him in - i thought it would be a unanimous NO - im deeply disapointed in you!!

I've been saying it's small time to say no just because he played for Arsenal. And it is.

You can say no because you don't think he's upto it anymore, something which I'd disagree with for several reasons, but to say no just because he played for those bastards? Can't do it I'm afraid.

Offer me Henry or Bent I'm taking Henry. If we could nab Cesc off 'em now it's time to put a bid in. If Gael Clichy wants to start wearing a white home shirt then what are we waiting for?

[irishspur]

If hes even half as good as he was for the scum, get him asap. Im not sure if he still has it inter milan was a disaster for him. Its a tough one, maybe a one-year contract.

[crisyj]

I've been saying it's small time to say no just because he played for Arsenal. And it is.

You can say no because you don't think he's upto it anymore, something which I'd disagree with for several reasons, but to say no just because he played for those bastards? Can't do it I'm afraid.

Offer me Henry or Bent I'm taking Henry. If we could nab Cesc off 'em now it's time to put a bid in. If Gael Clichy wants to start wearing a white home shirt then what are we waiting for?
well thats where you and me are differant - i wouldnt want anyone from the scum to play for us

[Hertspur]

well thats where you and me are differant - i wouldnt want anyone from the scum to play for us

totally agree crisyj

wears there colours never to wear ours, dont matter who they are

[inthewoods]

totally agree crisyj

wears there colours never to wear ours, dont matter who they are


I wouldnt be so prideful when looking at this. Yes hes an ex-gooner but dont forget he was one of the greatest midfielders in the Premiership at one time. His experience would be invaluable to the squad. He may be running out of steam but I would certainly count on him to help grind out results.

I dont see Man City fans crying out against signing Carlos Tevez or Man Utd fans moaning about signing Michael Owen. I can look past his gooner playing days and view it as an excellent signing.

[Rojoknapp]

He's scum through and through. I don't want players like him playing for our team - I'd like to think we have standards of some kind at Spurs. It's not even just that he's ex Arsenal - the man's an animal - a cheating thug.

[crisyj]

I wouldnt be so prideful when looking at this. Yes hes an ex-gooner but dont forget he was one of the greatest midfielders in the Premiership at one time. His experience would be invaluable to the squad. He may be running out of steam but I would certainly count on him to help grind out results.

I dont see Man City fans crying out against signing Carlos Tevez or Man Utd fans moaning about signing Michael Owen. I can look past his gooner playing days and view it as an excellent signing.

seriously,i cant believe what im reading here lads :thumbdown:

[inthewoods]

He's scum through and through. I don't want players like him playing for our team - I'd like to think we have standards of some kind at Spurs. It's not even just that he's ex Arsenal - the man's an animal - a cheating thug.

Tottenham have been too nice for too long. Maybe we need a animal, cheating thug to finally get other teams scared to play us.

[Gino Ginelli]

No no and thrice NO!

I loathe him, utterly detest him and all he stands for. I just couldn't take it, couldn't hack it at all if we signed him. And it's not just the gooner link, he's just a scumbag. Same as if we tried to sign Joey Barton or El Hadj Diouf.

Fvck him right off.

[inthewoods]

seriously,i cant believe what im reading here lads :thumbdown:

Why? So he played for Arsenal, so what? Thats the key word, PLAYED. Figo played for Barcelona but did Real Madrid fans cry when he signed for them? Did they ****. Same goes for Ronaldo (the fat one). It happens all the time.

[Rojoknapp]

Why? So he played for Arsenal, so what? Thats the key word, PLAYED. Figo played for Barcelona but did Real Madrid fans cry when he signed for them? Did they ****. Same goes for Ronaldo (the fat one). It happens all the time.

Figo and Ronaldo aren't c*nts who epitomised everything the Réal fans hated about Barca. And what's more, they were still world class when they signed for Réal.

[inthewoods]

Figo and Ronaldo aren't c*nts who epitomised everything the Réal fans hated about Barca. And what's more, they were still world class when they signed for Réal.

How can you say that? Figo played for 5 years at Barca and was loved by the Barca fans, which in turn meant he would of been hated by the Madrid fans. At the time Figo was the enemy.

No doubt Vieria was once the enemy for us but he choose to leave Arsenal at the peak of his career. His loyalty to them had always been questionable.

[MarlowSpurs]

Its like a small fanny with a big cock in it this thread


SPLIT

[Rojoknapp]

How can you say that? Figo played for 5 years at Barca and was loved by the Barca fans, which in turn meant he would of been hated by the Madrid fans. At the time Figo was the enemy.

No doubt Vieria was once the enemy for us but he choose to leave Arsenal at the peak of his career. His loyalty to them had always been questionable.

Yes Figo was the enemy because he played for Barca, but my point is that was the only reason. If he'd played for any other team they wouldn't have minded him. Not only was Vieira a scum legend, he was a total prick too. What could we possibly hate more than an absolute c*nt (regardless of Arsenal connections) and is dearly loved by Arsenal fans?

[choda]

Business is business and if Viera is still able to do it then get him in and don't hesitate because he is a winner and a cracking footballer.

He's looked slower in recent years but still very dominant.

[choda]

He's scum through and through. I don't want players like him playing for our team - I'd like to think we have standards of some kind at Spurs. It's not even just that he's ex Arsenal - the man's an animal - a cheating thug.

Hardly, he's just a hard, but fair player.

[inthewoods]

Yes Figo was the enemy because he played for Barca, but my point is that was the only reason. If he'd played for any other team they wouldn't have minded him. Not only was Vieira a scum legend, he was a total prick too. What could we possibly hate more than an absolute c*nt (regardless of Arsenal connections) and is dearly loved by Arsenal fans?

The only reason why Veiria is such a c@nt is because he is a winner. Hes won 3 prem leagues with Arsenal and 4 FA cups and ever since he left they have won **** all. He could be the dirtiest bastard and biggest prick on the planet for all I care, if he helps us win football matches then Im happy. Im not looking to marry the guy.

[Rojoknapp]

Hardly, he's just a hard, but fair player.

Ask Simon Davies how fair he is :glare:

And one quick glance at his disciplinary record for Arsenal should tell you just how fair he is :thumbdown:

[Rojoknapp]

The only reason why Veiria is such a c@nt is because he is a winner. Hes won 3 prem leagues with Arsenal and 4 FA cups and ever since he left they have won **** all. He could be the dirtiest bastard and biggest prick on the planet for all I care, if he helps us win football matches then Im happy. Im not looking to marry the guy.

It's not the winning that makes him such a c*nt. It's the whole dirtiest bastard, biggest prick on the planet thing that gets me :glare:

[inthewoods]

It's not the winning that makes him such a c*nt. It's the whole dirtiest bastard, biggest prick on the planet thing that gets me :glare:

Like I said, I dont care whether that is the case or not. The man is a proven winner despite what type of fella he is. Ever hear of a bloke that went by the name of Roy Keane? Hardly Mother Theresa but he sure knew how to win a football match, just like Paddy Vieira. I kind of like that Vieira is a dirty c@nt. It sure beats watching Jermaine ****ing Jenas running about with his eyes closed.

[choda]

Ask Simon Davies how fair he is :glare:

And one quick glance at his disciplinary record for Arsenal should tell you just how fair he is :thumbdown:

Combatitive midfielders all get booked. Look at Davids, Keane, Palacious. All have a long list of bookings and red cards. That's their game, all's fair in love and war.

I have a huge amount of time for them, of course at times it will spill over but it's a man's game.

One thing I'd advise is not to accuse them of faking injury or cheating when they've just done their cruciate, then you will be on the end of a nasty tackle from those guys as that is the worst thing you can accuse a warrier of.

[choda]

Like I said, I dont care whether that is the case or not. The man is a proven winner despite what type of fella he is. Ever hear of a bloke that went by the name of Roy Keane? Hardly Mother Theresa but he sure knew how to win a football match, just like Paddy Vieira. I kind of like that Vieira is a dirty c@nt. It sure beats Jermain ****ing Jeans flinching a closing his eyes every time someone runs near him.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crisyj]

this is a pointless thread anyway as we aint gonna get him and if we did id take him out before he stepped a foot our pitch

[inthewoods]

this is a pointless thread anyway as we aint gonna get him and if we did id take him out before he stepped a foot our pitch


........Spoil sport. :angry:

[crisyj]

........Spoil sport. :angry:

i couldnt handle the viera loving going on :cursing:

[Keanoldinho]

fook yes I'd take him in the middle with Palacios

piss the goons off no end too they'd be livid

doubt it will happen though he'd be a much better signing than goldenballs beckham

[StevenYTID]

Where is you're a ****ing idiot for making this thread it was reported by the daily fail don't believe it option ?

[earl warwick]

Where is you're a ****ing idiot for making this thread it was reported by the daily fail don't believe it option ?

Somewhat nullified by Roger Morgan - you'll remember him, he broke the Ramos sacking/Harry appointment to great ridicule on SO, about 10 minutes before SSN reported it - reporting "Yep, it's Vieira".

[StevenYTID]

Hmm still a little sceptical myself....

[Chathamspur]

No.

Ex-scumc.unt so 100% totally not ****ing welcome.

As far as Im concerned, once a player has pulled on that a*senal shirt, I would never welcome him here,

[Benne208]

Way past his best. Had a bad season last year. We should not be buying players on reputation alone. We need players who are doing it now, not 5years ago.
Oh ! and he's a Ar5ena1 Cvnt !

Viera Nooooo. Viera Nooooo. He played for Ar5ena1. At Spurs he'd do fvck all.

[thebrute]

fvck NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! no way

get that gooner cvnt out of my tottenham gossip, i dont want it. hes too much a gooner, we dont want the players they dont want anymore.

[Spur]

well thats where you and me are differant - i wouldnt want anyone from the scum to play for us
totally agree crisyj

wears there colours never to wear ours, dont matter who they are
I take it the two of you hate Pat Jennings then?

[Spur]

Where is you're a ****ing idiot for making this thread it was reported by the daily fail don't believe it option ?

Not based on any newspaper, especially not the Daily Mail because I don't read it or it's website.

Catch up.

[Shelfside]

I take it the two of you hate Pat Jennings then?

That's a very good point,excellent in fact.
Look we've had George Graham manage us and Sol Campbell defecting to Arsenal.That's two very big Spurs/Arsenal taboo's broken.So if a quality ex-Arsenal player is available to us,then why not try to get him?.Who are we to turn quality (even ex-Arsenal) away?.
Viera and Palacios as our central midfield partnership?.100% yes.

[Benne208]

I take it the two of you hate Pat Jennings then?

Pat Jennings went to Ar5ena1 from Spurs. Not Ar5ena1 to Spurs.

[JWS]

What say you?

Personally, I'm a yes.

A Vieira Palacios central midfield partnership should be feared. Free's up Lennon and Luka, allows us to play 5 across the middle with ample protection for the defense.

Past his best, but probably still better than anyone else we are likely to get, as with Beckham. Can't substitute for experience either.

As I do not follow foreign football, I do not know how good he still is but what I read suggests his legs have gone:cursing:

If it is also true that he will be on a free and paid on a pay-per game basis then it might work but if it is correct that his legs have gone, aren't we swapping one deficient midfielder [Zokora] with one [Vieira] who might compensate for those deficiencies but bring his own that the other didn't have i. e. pace and constant movement.:sad: ?


JWS.

[Chathamspur]

Pat Jennings went to Ar5ena1 from Spurs. Not Ar5ena1 to Spurs.

Yup and there is the key difference.

Who mentioned George Graham, the bloke was an absolute c.unt, fvcking hated him and loathed every minute the gooner bastard was at WHL.

Some of you lot are terrible, what next "Sol C.untbell could do a job for a season or so?" I can see it now from some of you lot "oh well its water under the bridge and if he benefits the team..........blah, blah....."

Bollocks, I dont want judas scum (keane) ex-gooner shitc.unts (bentley vieira) and anyone else who really isnt fit to wear the shirt at WHL.

[Spur]

Pat Jennings went to Ar5ena1 from Spurs. Not Ar5ena1 to Spurs.

Is that not twice as bad?

[Benne208]

It doesn't matter where he's been. He's past it !
His best day's are well behind him. Why do you think he's on a free transfer ?
Imo we would be buying him because of reputation. He's coming of the back of a s hit season. We might as well ask Roy Keane to come out of retirement.

[Spur]

As I do not follow foreign football, I do not know how good he still is but what I read suggests his legs have gone:cursing:

If it is also true that he will be on a free and paid on a pay-per game basis then it might work but if it is correct that his legs have gone, aren't we swapping one deficient midfielder [Zokora] with one [Vieira] who might compensate for those deficiencies but bring his own that the other didn't have i. e. pace and constant movement.:sad: ?


JWS.

What if he's the best we can do?

Yup and there is the key difference.

Who mentioned George Graham, the bloke was an absolute c.unt, fvcking hated him and loathed every minute the gooner bastard was at WHL.

Some of you lot are terrible, what next "Sol C.untbell could do a job for a season or so?" I can see it now from some of you lot "oh well its water under the bridge and if he benefits the team..........blah, blah....."

Bollocks, I dont want judas scum (keane) ex-gooner shitc.unts (bentley vieira) and anyone else who really isnt fit to wear the shirt at WHL.

The two are nothing remotely similar.

[welshiespursboy]

Oh forget his bloody arsenal past! We need to get past this.
He is still a good player and could do a job for us - much like Davids did.

Would be very happy to see this done.

[Benne208]

Is that not twice as bad?

imo.... no !

[Gino Ginelli]

It ain't the Gooner link that would make me physically sick to see "he who shall not be named" in a Spurs shirt. Gooners / Ex-Gooners I'd like to see / like to have seen play for Spurs are: Bergkamp, Sylvinho, Overmars, Flamini, Anelka, Walcott, Kanu, Henry, and probably some more.

But Viera (god, the name sticks in my keyboard as I type :cursing:) is just a cheating, dirty, loathsome player, as I've already said. His disciplinary record is awful, he's the first one to slide in recklessly and maliciously two footed, and the first to roll on the floor like a bitch when someone coughs on him.

He's not a spurs player at all, I like integrity in a player.

[Spur]

It doesn't matter where he's been. He's past it !
His best day's are well behind him. Why do you think he's on a free transfer ?
Imo we would be buying him because of reputation. He's coming of the back of a s hit season. We might as well ask Roy Keane to come out of retirement.

Or sign Naybet or Davids...

Shit signings they were :001_rolleyes:

[Spur]

imo.... no !

Fair enough.

I view that as small club mentality then. You think United fans are like this with Owen? No, they have nothing to lose. You wanna know which set of fans is pissed off? It ain't United; it's the 'Pool fans.

[Benne208]

Or sign Naybet or Davids...

Shit signings they were :001_rolleyes:

Your not wrong there !. Davids made a good sub though.

[Spur]

His disciplinary record is awful, he's the first one to slide in recklessly and maliciously two footed,
See that reckless two footed tackle a yard off the ground Wilson did toward the end of the season?

Is he in your first team? Is he? First name on team sheet?

:blushing:
He's not a spurs player at all, I like integrity in a player.
Boy do we need a clearout then.

[Spur]

Your not wrong there !. Davids made a good sub though.

Can I just check if you're being serious there?

[welshiespursboy]

There is a ridiculously small time attitude with some people here. :cursing:

[crisyj]

There is a ridiculously small time attitude with some people here. :cursing:

i agree - how anyone can want that cvnt playing in our team is beyond me

[Chathamspur]

Oh forget his bloody arsenal past! We need to get past this.
He is still a good player and could do a job for us - much like Davids did.

Would be very happy to see this done.

Bollocks.

Even taking away the fact that he is ex-gooner scum, vieira is a dirty, cheating arsehole with ZERO integrity about him.

[Chathamspur]

i agree - how anyone can want that cvnt playing in our team is beyond me

:001_smile:

Some people just obviously havent got the same sense of love, respect and passion for our club as some of us do.

[Gino Ginelli]

See that reckless two footed tackle a yard off the ground Wilson did toward the end of the season?

Is he in your first team? Is he? First name on team sheet?

:blushing:

Boy do we need a clearout then.

Viera went out to intentionally injure players, and his total of red cards at Arsenal was disgraceful.

And we have no-one in our team as genuinely nasty and arrogant as this guy.

I'm sorry, but I can't be moved on this one. Absolutely no way. I would be just upset, as mentioned, if this were Diouf or Barton or the Cana guy. I don't like these players as footballers and people associated with Spurs.

[JWS]

What if he's the best we can do?



The two are nothing remotely similar.


I've just read in the London ES that Jenas is part of the bait to lure Vieira. I know a lot of people dislike Jenas but I don't and using him in this way stinks, if true.

I don't believe it!


JWS aka Victor Meldrew

[Rojoknapp]

It ain't the Gooner link that would make me physically sick to see "he who shall not be named" in a Spurs shirt. Gooners / Ex-Gooners I'd like to see / like to have seen play for Spurs are: Bergkamp, Sylvinho, Overmars, Flamini, Anelka, Walcott, Kanu, Henry, and probably some more.

But Viera (god, the name sticks in my keyboard as I type :cursing:) is just a cheating, dirty, loathsome player, as I've already said. His disciplinary record is awful, he's the first one to slide in recklessly and maliciously two footed, and the first to roll on the floor like a bitch when someone coughs on him.

He's not a spurs player at all, I like integrity in a player.

:thumbup1: Exactly.

[Benne208]

:001_smile:

Some people just obviously havent got the same sense of love, respect and passion for our club as some of us do.

Fvck me i can't even wear anything Red.

[welshiespursboy]

i agree - how anyone can want that cvnt playing in our team is beyond me

You misunderstand me. I am saying it is small time to not want him to join us simply on the basis that he played for Arsenal.

[crisyj]

You misunderstand me. I am saying it is small time to not want him to join us simply on the basis that he played for Arsenal.

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[Benne208]

Can I just check if you're being serious there?

Of course :wink:

[Chathamspur]

Fvck me i can't even wear anything Red.

Exactly!

I would rather put staples in my scrotum than wear red.

Red is the colour of the scum, I wont wear it, I kick off if my wife wears it and if I am in charge of Liv, she aint allowed to wear that filthy, tainted colour.

[welshiespursboy]

:001_smile:

Some people just obviously havent got the same sense of love, respect and passion for our club as some of us do.

Nonsense! i LOVE spurs - i spend the vast majority of my wages travelling down to see them play on a regular basis from Cardiff, my weekend is ruined whenever they lose, and I watch them on tv whenever I can't go down for whatever reason. I would do anything for my beloved spurs and just want them to do well. To that end, whatever benefits the club will do me - even if it means an ex-scum playing for them.

So don't try and tell me I don't share the same sense of love blah blah blah - you know f**k all about me.

[Spur]

:001_smile:

Some people just obviously havent got the same sense of love, respect and passion for our club as some of us do.
You could argue this both ways pal, you clearly don't want us to proceed by giving the manager what he wants blah blah blah.

Pathetic childish bullshit, get back on topic.
Viera went out to intentionally injure players, and his total of red cards at Arsenal was disgraceful.

And we have no-one in our team as genuinely nasty and arrogant as this guy.

I'm sorry, but I can't be moved on this one. Absolutely no way. I would be just upset, as mentioned, if this were Diouf or Barton or the Cana guy. I don't like these players as footballers and people associated with Spurs.
Total of red cards at Arsenal was disgraceful you're damn right. Fact is he's respected in the game, do you dislike Roy Keane?

Why is it we're the first to moan about a player being a bit harsh but the first to moan about a lack of steel in the middle? Don't get it.

IMO he's not like Diouf or Barton, you're talking about someone who literally has been inside for one. We have plenty of people as arrogant as Vieira. Nasty? Probably not, but maybe that's why we've had a central midfield partnership that has been truly atrocious for nigh on 5 years.

The thing about Beckham or Vieira is that they'd put in the effort that's needed and they can both do it. Zokora and Jenas or Beckham and Vieira, or better yet - Beckham or Vieira with Wilson or Jenas and Zokora = no question. Get rid of Jenas and Zokora with two people that, you know, can actually play ball, better yet if there's bundles of experience and winners medals to come along with them.
I've just read in the London ES that Jenas is part of the bait to lure Vieira. I know a lot of people dislike Jenas but I don't and using him in this way stinks, if true.

I don't believe it!


JWS aka Victor Meldrew
That's just ridiculous. He'd be a free transfer as Inter would have the wages off their books. Plus Jermaine Jenas will never go to Inter because he's just not good enough. If they wanted him they'd have him in 24 hours.

[Benne208]

Nonsense! i LOVE spurs - i spend the vast majority of my wages travelling down to see them play on a regular basis from Cardiff, my weekend is ruined whenever they lose, and I watch them on tv whenever I can't go down for whatever reason. I would do anything for my beloved spurs and just want them to do well. To that end, whatever benefits the club will do me - even if it means an ex-scum playing for them.

So don't try and tell me I don't share the same sense of love blah blah blah - you know f**k all about me.

Easy Welshie. we're all Yids here.
Imagine what will happen on the terrace's. let alone on a message board. I can see Yids falling out all over the place.

[Chathamspur]

Nonsense! i LOVE spurs - i spend the vast majority of my wages travelling down to see them play on a regular basis from Cardiff, my weekend is ruined whenever they lose, and I watch them on tv whenever I can't go down for whatever reason. I would do anything for my beloved spurs and just want them to do well. To that end, whatever benefits the club will do me - even if it means an ex-scum playing for them.

So don't try and tell me I don't share the same sense of love blah blah blah - you know f**k all about me.

Yeah you may be a good fan, well done on the travelling from wales, seriously....but........

There is passion, and then there is the likes of me and a few more who I can name who are seriously passionate about this club and who view it as fvcking sacred and that anything scum-related is just tainted and disgusting and of detriment to the sanctity of this club.

[Spur]

Yeah you may be a good fan, well done on the travelling from wales, seriously....but........

There is passion, and then there is the likes of me and a few more who I can name who are seriously passionate about this club and who view it as fvcking sacred and that anything scum-related is just tainted and disgusting and of detriment to the sanctity of this club.

Well you go and find Jamie O'Hara and put him in hospital then.

Failing that find Harry Redknapp the scum supporting bastard.

So ****ing small time it's unreal.

[crisyj]

Easy Welshie. we're all Yids here.
Imagine what will happen on the terrace's. let alone on a message board. I can see Yids falling out all over the place.
exactly - our own player would be getting booed and abused by large sections of the crowd and rightly so - so how would that be good for the team and morale and team spirit - cant believe this is being debated and definately cant believe how many of you lot want him

[Rojoknapp]

Total of red cards at Arsenal was disgraceful you're damn right. Fact is he's respected in the game, do you dislike Roy Keane?

Why is it we're the first to moan about a player being a bit harsh but the first to moan about a lack of steel in the middle? Don't get it.

I personally strongly dislike Roy Keane for many of the same reasons I dislike Vieira. And having steel is not the same as being a dirty prick. Palacios picks up yellow cards, but no one would call him a dirty player - but he definitely adds steel. Mascherano - again, adds steel, but not dirty. They all pick up yellows, but no one gets as many reds as Vieira without being a tw*t.

[Spur]

exactly - our own player would be getting booed and abused by large sections of the crowd and rightly so - so how would that be good for the team and morale and team spirit - cant believe this is being debated and definately cant believe how many of you lot want him

It just wouldn't happen.

The messageboards said the same about Keane but he was roundly cheered.

[gusintheuk2]

Ive chosen No!

In a perfect world where there was a glut of players to choose from my answer would be practical because we could choose someone else instead.

So its just my personal preference and not really backed up by logic or solid reasoning.

Imho...........I dont want to succeed next season with an ex Arsenal Legend in our team.............the chances of the goons bleating out.

"Well you wouldnt have done f.uck all without our help/the help of one of our players"

We wouldnt hear the last of it......f.uck that for a game of strip shuffleboard with a nun in a gimp suit!

COYS

hurry up arry c'mon...........do us proud boss

[Rojoknapp]

It just wouldn't happen.

The messageboards said the same about Keane but he was roundly cheered.

Keane is not comparable to Vieira though. I don't know about the other few thousand people who cheered, but I know I only applauded (I hadn't intended to) because I didn't like that people were booing him - so I joined in with the applause to try and drown out the booing.

[crisyj]

Ive chosen No!

In a perfect world where there was a glut of players to choose from my answer would be practical because we could choose someone else instead.

So its just my personal preference and not really backed up by logic or solid reasoning.

Imho...........I dont want to succeed next season with an ex Arsenal Legend in our team.............the chances of the goons bleating out.

"Well you wouldnt have done f.uck all without our help/the help of one of our players"

We wouldnt hear the last of it......f.uck that for a game of strip shuffleboard with a nun in a gimp suit!

COYS

hurry up arry c'mon...........do us proud boss
your last sentence was quite significant gus - coz i would not be proud at all if we had that cvnt in our ranks

[Chathamspur]

It just wouldn't happen.

The messageboards said the same about Keane but he was roundly cheered.

Completely different circumstances there.

Yes a lot of people cheered Keane, those who have no sense of loyalty as anyone with any sense would view him as a lying judas pikey c.unt.

We all agree'd we wouldnt boo keane, although quite a few did, just stay silent out of respect to the other lads in the team who wouldnt want to hear it, it wasnt because of any regard to that prick.

As for Vieira, If it happened, which it wont, I think it may be different and he would get stick for it.

Oh, and as for small-time comments, behave yourself, some of us are just a bit more, shall we say, "extreme" when it comes to this club.

[welshiespursboy]

Well you might call not wanting any ex-gooners to play for us as 'tained, digusting and of detriment to the sanctity of the club' - but as far as I'm concerned if a player improves the squad, then brilliant, because I want us to do well! And believe me I am VERY passionate about spurs and won't hear a bad word said about em. My mates know not to be taking the piss out of them.

[Spur]

Keane is not comparable to Vieira though. I don't know about the other few thousand people who cheered, but I know I only applauded (I hadn't intended to) because I didn't like that people were booing him - so I joined in with the applause to try and drown out the booing.

Yeah, one ****ed us over by leaving us up shit creak and lying to us, one played well against us for our rivals.

Which one's worse?

Laughable.

[JWS]

As someone who has possibly been around for a bit longer than most, direct :cursing: transfers between the two clubs is not unknown, including the exchange of Jimmy Roberston and David Jenkins and the transfer of Freddie Cox to the Goons many years ago.:thumbdown: Most have not worked for us and almost all have worked against us for them:scared:

My concern about this has nothing to do with Vieira and his Gooner days. It is whether he can cut it and the terms of the transfer itself. If he can, fine, I've no objections, as petty jealousy is best described as cutting off your nose to spite your face. If he can and does improve us then any genuine Spurs supporter would surely:thumbup1: :thumbup1: welcome him. I've no time for this attitude that we can't buy Gooners or ex-Gooners because they are or were Gooners. It's absolute rubbish to turn down a good player because of who he played for. Exceptions would be the Great Scumball but that was different and I've always detested Pettit for what he did to us.

If there is a genuine principle in people's arguments that he shouldn't be brought in simply because he is or was a Gooner, answer honestly this question: we're taken over by a rich arab and we bid £100,000,000 for Cesc Fabregas - would you say "No, feck him, he's a Gooner cnut, can't have someone like him at Spurs". Hypothetical, yes, but we're talking about principle so I can hypothesise. If your answer is "no" then I think petty jealousy or whatever blinds you.

JWS.

[Benne208]

It just wouldn't happen.

The messageboards said the same about Keane but he was roundly cheered.

Only in sections of the Park Lane. I've never heard the Shelf or the Paxton cheer him since he's come back. And definitely not at away games.

[Spur]

Completely different circumstances there.

Yes a lot of people cheered Keane, those who have no sense of loyalty as anyone with any sense would view him as a lying judas pikey c.unt.

We all agree'd we wouldnt boo keane, although quite a few did, just stay silent out of respect to the other lads in the team who wouldnt want to hear it, it wasnt because of any regard to that prick.

As for Vieira, If it happened, which it wont, I think it may be different and he would get stick for it.

Oh, and as for small-time comments, behave yourself, some of us are just a bit more, shall we say, "extreme" when it comes to this club.

Define extreme.

[crisyj]

Yeah, one ****ed us over by leaving us up shit creak and lying to us, one played well against us for our rivals.

Which one's worse?

Laughable.

theres nothing worse than a dirty gooner scumbag cvnt

[JWS]

Yeah, one ****ed us over by leaving us up shit creak and lying to us, one played well against us for our rivals.

Which one's worse?

Laughable.

So, your point is, because at the momant I cannot see what it might be?


JWS.

[Spur]

As someone who has possibly been around for a bit longer than most, direct :cursing: transfers between the two clubs is not unknown, including the exchange of Jimmy Roberston and David Jenkins and the transfer of Freddie Cox to the Goons many years ago.:thumbdown: Most have not worked for us and almost all have worked against us for them:scared:

My concern about this has nothing to do with Vieira and his Gooner days. It is whether he can cut it and the terms of the transfer itself. If he can, fine, I've no objections, as petty jealousy is best described as cutting off your nose to spite your face. If he can and does improve us then any genuine Spurs supporter would surely:thumbup1: :thumbup1: welcome him. I've no time for this attitude that we can't buy Gooners or ex-Gooners because they are or were Gooners. It's absolute rubbish to turn down a good player because of who he played for. Exceptions would be the Great Scumball but that was different and I've always detested Pettit for what he did to us.

If there is a genuine principle in people's arguments that he shouldn't be brought in simply because he is or was a Gooner, answer honestly this question: we're taken over by a rich arab and we bid £100,000,000 for Cesc Fabregas - would you say "No, feck him, he's a Gooner cnut, can't have someone like him at Spurs". Hypothetical, yes, but we're talking about principle so I can hypothesise. If your answer is "no" then I think petty jealousy or whatever blinds you.

JWS.

Exactly JWS.

[Chathamspur]

Well you might call not wanting any ex-gooners to play for us as 'tained, digusting and of detriment to the sanctity of the club' - but as far as I'm concerned if a player improves the squad, then brilliant, because I want us to do well! And believe me I am VERY passionate about spurs and won't hear a bad word said about em. My mates know not to be taking the piss out of them.

Fair enough, have to agree to disagree on this one as it aint going to go nowhere with 2 very strong sides to the argument.

[Gino Ginelli]

Exactly!

I would rather put staples in my scrotum than wear red.

Red is the colour of the scum, I wont wear it, I kick off if my wife wears it and if I am in charge of Liv, she aint allowed to wear that filthy, tainted colour.

You're wearing red in your avatar

:wink:

[Spur]

So, your point is, because at the momant I cannot see what it might be?


JWS.

My point is Keane ****ed us over, acted like a knob, before that said he was here to stay.

Vieira was a winner against us for our rivals.

Which one is worse? One ****ed us over, especially the fans, whilst wearing our colours. All Vieira did was be successful with our rivals. His fault? Hardly. Something we should hate him for? Something we're clearly jealous over more like. Whose gonna hate him if he's a success in our team? No-one.

[JWS]

What say you?

Personally, I'm a yes.

A Vieira Palacios central midfield partnership should be feared. Free's up Lennon and Luka, allows us to play 5 across the middle with ample protection for the defense.

Past his best, but probably still better than anyone else we are likely to get, as with Beckham. Can't substitute for experience either.

Thanks for putting this up, young man. I've not seen such a response for some time. It was bound to create a massive outburst of emotion.


JWS.

[spursmadnick06]

Definitely yes, if only to annoy the Arsenal fans.

[crisyj]

As someone who has possibly been around for a bit longer than most, direct :cursing: transfers between the two clubs is not unknown, including the exchange of Jimmy Roberston and David Jenkins and the transfer of Freddie Cox to the Goons many years ago.:thumbdown: Most have not worked for us and almost all have worked against us for them:scared:

My concern about this has nothing to do with Vieira and his Gooner days. It is whether he can cut it and the terms of the transfer itself. If he can, fine, I've no objections, as petty jealousy is best described as cutting off your nose to spite your face. If he can and does improve us then any genuine Spurs supporter would surely:thumbup1: :thumbup1: welcome him. I've no time for this attitude that we can't buy Gooners or ex-Gooners because they are or were Gooners. It's absolute rubbish to turn down a good player because of who he played for. Exceptions would be the Great Scumball but that was different and I've always detested Pettit for what he did to us.

If there is a genuine principle in people's arguments that he shouldn't be brought in simply because he is or was a Gooner, answer honestly this question: we're taken over by a rich arab and we bid £100,000,000 for Cesc Fabregas - would you say "No, feck him, he's a Gooner cnut, can't have someone like him at Spurs". Hypothetical, yes, but we're talking about principle so I can hypothesise. If your answer is "no" then I think petty jealousy or whatever blinds you.

JWS.
my answer to the cesc thing would be NO i dont want him - and jealousy is completely the wrong word,more hatred or disgust,

[JWS]

My point is Keane ****ed us over, acted like a knob, before that said he was here to stay.

Vieira was a winner against us for our rivals.

Which one is worse? One ****ed us over, especially the fans, whilst wearing our colours. All Vieira did was be successful with our rivals. His fault? Hardly. Something we should hate him for? Something we're clearly jealous over more like. Whose gonna hate him if he's a success in our team? No-one.

Then I misunderstood your point - apologies. Keane and Scumball have soemthing in common. I cannot fault Vieira for doing his best [fair or foul] for the Goons whilst their player.I'd expect nothing less of ours.


JWS.

[JWS]

my answer to the cesc thing would be NO i dont want him - and jealousy is completely the wrong word,more hatred or disgust,


Then, sadly, my friend, I have to say you are a fool.:sad:


JWS.

[Chathamspur]

You're wearing red in your avatar

:wink:

That was my hotel wristband you cheeky bastard! A man cant go without his beers!

And as for the shorts, thems orange and yellow, well they were until I ended up destroying them in the sinking mud when I was digging the other day.

[crisyj]

Then, sadly, my friend, I have to say you are a fool.:sad:


JWS.
fool ? not at all - and i wont resort to calling a fellow yid petty names - its passion its not wanting one of theirs to play for us -it just aint cricket

[Gino Ginelli]

Total of red cards at Arsenal was disgraceful you're damn right. Fact is he's respected in the game, do you dislike Roy Keane?.

Well you go ask Gary Busst then...

[Gino Ginelli]

That was my hotel wristband you cheeky bastard! A man cant go without his beers!

And as for the shorts, thems orange and yellow, well they were until I ended up destroying them in the sinking mud when I was digging the other day.

:lol::lol:

[Rojoknapp]

Yeah, one ****ed us over by leaving us up shit creak and lying to us, one played well against us for our rivals.

Which one's worse?

Laughable.

Keane gave 6 years of loyal service to Spurs! He was a great player for us, he always gave his all and he was great for the other players in the dressing room. I cannot believe that you think someone like Keane who loves Spurs and did us proud for all that time is worse than an Arsenal c*nt like Vieira! 6 f*cking years Spur! How many players these days stay at a club for 6 years? Oh how dare he leave us after 6 years of fantastic service to play for a team who were competing for the Premiership and the Champions League - we finished 11th for f*ck's sake! You're comparing him to an Arsenal legend, and not just any Arsenal legend - but a dirty thug who often set out to injure opponents on a football pitch. F*cking hell.

It saddens me how quickly some fans forget everything Keane did for us before he left.

[JWS]

fool ? not at all - and i wont resort to calling a fellow yid petty names - its passion its not wanting one of theirs to play for us -it just aint cricket

The expression "fool" was the most apt that I could find and it is certainly not a petty word, either as used or intended.

Yid or no Yid, you make a comment that I think is rank foolish and I'll tell you so. I repeat, you are a fool who would prefer to cut off his nose to spite his face if you wouldn't buy Fabregas if you had the means to do so. It's been done before, even by the legendary Bill Nicholson - twice. A man who would have understood these things; Laurie Brown and David Jenkins.

We're all entitled to our opinions, based on facts or our perception of the facts. What you have written is no more than irrational, emotive vitriol. Your view has no logic - emotion tends to cloud judgement.


JWS.

[crisyj]

The expression "fool" was the most apt that I could find and it is certainly not a petty word, either as used or intended.

Yid or no Yid, you make a comment that I think is rank foolish and I'll tell you so. I repeat, you are a fool who would prefer to cut off his nose to spite his face if you wouldn't buy Fabregas if you had the means to do so. It's been done before, even by the legendary Bill Nicholson - twice. A man who would have understood these things; Laurie Brown and David Jenkins.

We're all entitled to our opinions, based on facts or our perception of the facts. What you have written is no more than irrational, emotive vitriol. Your view has no logic - emotion tends to cloud judgement.


JWS.
listen to yourself -in one statement you're calling me a fool for thinking what i want and in the next your saying everyone is entitled to an opinion - and dont call me a fool again

[Crossfire109]

There have been some well considered, objective posts as to why Viera would be a good signing and he would undoubtedly play well alongside Palacious but personaly I can't get past the fact that he's an ex gooner. Don't do it Harry :thumbdown:

[thebrute]

it is daft to think that just because someone has played for arsenal that they dont deserve to play for spurs. west ham are our rivals and we tend to buy a few players from them.

its not just that he used to play for the scum that idont want him at spurs. its the love he has for arsenal that makes him a gooner. how would you feel if you saw modric snaped by the paperazis tomorrow wearing a arsenal shirt. you'd hate him. this is how i'd see viera on the pitch, a scum fan who would probably jump at the chance to play for them again. he may join tottenham just to play football but his heart will be at arsenal. ex-arsenal captain and legend now playing for spurs no thanx.

[Benne208]

The expression "fool" was the most apt that I could find and it is certainly not a petty word, either as used or intended.

Yid or no Yid, you make a comment that I think is rank foolish and I'll tell you so. I repeat, you are a fool who would prefer to cut off his nose to spite his face if you wouldn't buy Fabregas if you had the means to do so. It's been done before, even by the legendary Bill Nicholson - twice. A man who would have understood these things; Laurie Brown and David Jenkins.

We're all entitled to our opinions, based on facts or our perception of the facts. What you have written is no more than irrational, emotive vitriol. Your view has no logic - emotion tends to cloud judgement.


JWS.

Jenkins was a clown. He was booed as he was carried off on a stretcher.. Never to return.:thumbdown:

[Spur]

Keane gave 6 years of loyal service to Spurs! He was a great player for us, he always gave his all and he was great for the other players in the dressing room. I cannot believe that you think someone like Keane who loves Spurs and did us proud for all that time is worse than an Arsenal c*nt like Vieira! 6 f*cking years Spur! How many players these days stay at a club for 6 years? Oh how dare he leave us after 6 years of fantastic service to play for a team who were competing for the Premiership and the Champions League - we finished 11th for f*ck's sake! You're comparing him to an Arsenal legend, and not just any Arsenal legend - but a dirty thug who often set out to injure opponents on a football pitch. F*cking hell.

It saddens me how quickly some fans forget everything Keane did for us before he left.

We've not, and his accomplishments with us won't be forgotten. You're not addressing the actual issue.

[Rojoknapp]

We've not, and his accomplishments with us won't be forgotten. You're not addressing the actual issue.

I'm addressing your post which suggested that Keane is worse to a Spurs fan than Vieira, which is insane given that Keane is the captain of Spurs and Vieira was a captain of Arsenal. Just those two things alone should be enough - and then there's everything else I mentioned about the two.

[Spur]

I'm addressing your post which suggested that Keane is worse to a Spurs fan than Vieira, which is insane given that Keane is the captain of Spurs and Vieira was a captain of Arsenal. Just those two things alone should be enough - and then there's everything else I mentioned about the two.

How many years did Campbell give us of loyal service then?

I don't see why we need to go through this again. Forget about it, the loyal service won't be forgotten but the way both players left grates with me - it doesn't with you, we'll leave it at that.

[Rojoknapp]

How many years did Campbell give us of loyal service then?

I don't see why we need to go through this again. Forget about it, the loyal service won't be forgotten but the way both players left grates with me - it doesn't with you, we'll leave it at that.

OK, I can obviously see why people might not like Keane as much as I do, but do you really think he's worse than Vieira? An ex Arsenal captain and legend? As opposed to a guy who does actually love Spurs? (Yes he left but you are allowed to love more than one club in life)

[JWS]

listen to yourself -in one statement you're calling me a fool for thinking what i want and in the next your saying everyone is entitled to an opinion - and dont call me a fool again


Because it's not an opinion - it's an emotional response without thought or reasoning. Don't you get it? On what factual basis, real or percieved, about Vieira do you base the view that we shouldn't accept him as a player simply because he was a one-time Gooner. Listen to yourself, man, you're making an illogical argument. If you say he's past it - fine. If you say he's a thug - fine but not because the man played for the Goons - those kind of arguments make us look stupid. I agree about players who played for us and then crossed over Finsbury Park - with the exception of Pat Jennings - but to reject them because they wish to go the other way is plain daft.

I am not particularly happy about present or past Gooners playing for us, simply because I see them as potentially tainted but I also recognise it is an emotional reponse without any application of thought or reason. I seriously question your judgement if you would reject one of the world's finest midfielders [Fabregas] simply because he is a Gooner. Seriously, I do.


JWS.

[Spur]

OK, I can obviously see why people might not like Keane as much as I do, but do you really think he's worse than Vieira? An ex Arsenal captain and legend? As opposed to a guy who does actually love Spurs? (Yes he left but you are allowed to love more than one club in life)

Remember I saw up close how he acted whilst loving us. He was worse than Berbatov whilst I was out there. That was when both were manuevering for a move by the way.

My point is, get over the fact he played for Arsenal - because hating him just for that is small time. Now tell me what he's ever done to you to make you hate him. Keane actuall did something to you similar to what Campbell done, who everyone hates.

PV was a dirty bastard, OK, but then after countless Didier Zokora two footers and one from Wilson just a month or two ago - I see / saw NO-ONE here trying to hound them out, at all.

Double standards no? Well it is, just in case you're going to try and argue otherwise.

[aftershock961]

I would like to know the ages of the lads on here who are for and who are against Viera coming to the Lane, I would sumise that the majority of you that would like him here are under 25 and vise versa with the against.

Personally I would f*cking hate a gooner ex captain playing in a White shirt, someone mentioned we were after West Ham players, trust me there is no similarity, West Ham dislike us, we don't give a sh1t about them as there a nobody team. But the Gooners like Chelscum, well we have a long time hatred of this club, probably a lot longer than most of you have been following Spurs.

I have been a avid supporter and fan for over 40 years, I was there when all the violence used to kick off and lived through it, there is way to much history between our two clubs for me to ever think that it would be OK for us to sign a Gooner just like I will never forgive Cambell for going to them.

Please Harry don't sign him....Or you will loose me and thousands others as supporters of you at this club.

[olly27]

Can see both sides of the argument, but I would go no. Firstly he is running out of steam and his game was based on box to box action - he's 33 now. If he had of been, say, 30 or so I might be more easily convinced. But he was Arsenal through and through and he's getting on, had he been younger it would of been an easier pill to swallow due to bringing a bigger influence and adding more to the team. He's on his way out and I am not sure he really would add a lot to the team so why sign someone so controversial?

[olly27]

Would I sign Flamini x scum if I could - your dam right I would.

[berbzy 'G']

Ex- Arsenal legend in a Tottenham shirt? doesn't sound good to me atall, he can go and f*ck himself

[Spur]

Personally I would f*cking hate a gooner ex captain playing in a White shirt, someone mentioned we were after West Ham players, trust me there is no similarity, West Ham dislike us, we don't give a sh1t about them as there a nobody team. But the Gooners like Chelscum, well we have a long time hatred of this club, probably a lot longer than most of you have been following Spurs.


Is that why tehre has been such uproar at the rumoured signings of Joe Cole and Arjen Robben, not to mention the near riot at the unveiling of numerous FA Cup and League title winning goalkeeper Carlo Cudicini, who Chelsea fans both 1) class as a legend and 2) want back at the club.

Honestly, it's utter ridiculous.

O'Hara - Arsenal youth product
New 18- year old the other day - taken right out the Arsenal youth academy
Rohan Ricketts - was nearly lynched for being an Arsenal youthie not to mention a ****ing thief.
Our Leader, Harry Redknapp, not to mention Jermain Defoe both being Arsenal fans, probably more than just the two of them as well.
DAvid Bentley - Arsenal youth

Where are all the [Enter Name] Out! thread?

[Spur]

Would I sign Flamini x scum if I could - your dam right I would.

Too true mate.

[aftershock961]

Is that why tehre has been such uproar at the rumoured signings of Joe Cole and Arjen Robben, not to mention the near riot at the unveiling of numerous FA Cup and League title winning goalkeeper Carlo Cudicini, who Chelsea fans both 1) class as a legend and 2) want back at the club.

Honestly, it's utter ridiculous.

O'Hara - Arsenal youth product
New 18- year old the other day - taken right out the Arsenal youth academy
Rohan Ricketts - was nearly lynched for being an Arsenal youthie not to mention a ****ing thief.
Our Leader, Harry Redknapp, not to mention Jermain Defoe both being Arsenal fans, probably more than just the two of them as well.
DAvid Bentley - Arsenal youth


Where are all the [Enter Name] Out! thread?


This is exactly why I asked how old you are, not because your opinions are different to mine but because of the history.

Let me inform you that I was never happy with any of those signings especially Cudicini, as for the others they are from the youth academy and cannot be compared with signing the ex captain of the Gooners.

If you knew me from other sites you would know that I have along with most of the other old guards have always been against signing Gooners, no matter who they are.

[earl warwick]

Although he was never an AC Milan legend, he did play a few times for them, and I presume there were no Inter fans disgusted at signing him because he was originally with them.

The 2 reasons for opposing signing him seem to be that he is an ex-Arse legend, or that he is a dirty player not in tune with the Spurs ethos. I don't quite see the latter, as some fans seem to have made mental notes of every physical incident he was involved in, and concluded he's on a level with Barton and Diouf. I don't think he's regarded as a dirty player by fellow professionals, certainly no worse than Keane was.

It seems the offer is likely to be a one year pay-as-you-play deal at 35k a week. That seems like a risk worth taking.

[Benne208]

My stance is this... Not because he's Patric Veira. Not because he captained the scum. Not because he's an Ar5ena1 Legend... Simple because he is 33 and way past his best.
He is simply not the player he was 5 years ago. Fvck me we're not Wet Spam or Pompey !.

[Spur]

This is exactly why I asked how old you are, not because your opinions are different to mine but because of the history.

Let me inform you that I was never happy with any of those signings especially Cudicini, as for the others they are from the youth academy and cannot be compared with signing the ex captain of the Gooners.

If you knew me from other sites you would know that I have along with most of the other old guards have always been against signing Gooners, no matter who they are.

Ok.

Well I think that's a defeatist attitude to hold.

I'm 21. Grown up surrounded by Gooners and obviously the piss-taking that goes with it because we've been firmly in their shadow for far too long. I doubt you had that if you're an old bastard, eh?

[JWS]

Although he was never an AC Milan legend, he did play a few times for them, and I presume there were no Inter fans disgusted at signing him because he was originally with them.

The 2 reasons for opposing signing him seem to be that he is an ex-Arse legend, or that he is a dirty player not in tune with the Spurs ethos. I don't quite see the latter, as some fans seem to have made mental notes of every physical incident he was involved in, and concluded he's on a level with Barton and Diouf. I don't think he's regarded as a dirty player by fellow professionals, certainly no worse than Keane was.

It seems the offer is likely to be a one year pay-as-you-play deal at 35k a week. That seems like a risk worth taking.

Can no one see the irony of an ex-Gooner playing for Spurs and lashing in a winner at The Library Mk II, be it Vieira or Flamini? I bet when Scumball was involved with L'Arse, or even dear Old Patrick, that Gooners pissed themselves when we lost with what had been some of our best ever players fielded for them.

May be I'd like that sort of irony or pay-back. As I have said, if you object to the likes of PV or Flamini because you don't think they are good enough or are trouble in the dressing room or just past it, whatever, so be it, all are fair points but not just that they played for the Goons.


JWS.

[aftershock961]

Ok.

Well I think that's a defeatist attitude to hold.

I'm 21. Grown up surrounded by Gooners and obviously the piss-taking that goes with it because we've been firmly in their shadow for far too long. I doubt you had that if you're an old bastard, eh?

Im glad to sa ive seen some silver get lifted, but it has been long overdue since we have one anything of credit.

But imagine this..Say (lord forbid) we did sign Viera, and then went on to win something..You reacon they took the piss before, they would be screaming from the roofs we only one because we had a Gooner in our side..I for one would hate that.:sad:

[Keanoldinho]

Exactly!

I would rather put staples in my scrotum than wear red.

Red is the colour of the scum, I wont wear it, I kick off if my wife wears it and if I am in charge of Liv, she aint allowed to wear that filthy, tainted colour.


and you consider yourself a mature adult right :laugh:

[Spur]

Im glad to sa ive seen some silver get lifted, but it has been long overdue since we have one anything of credit.

But imagine this..Say (lord forbid) we did sign Viera, and then went on to win something..You reacon they took the piss before, they would be screaming from the roofs we only one because we had a Gooner in our side..I for one would hate that.:sad:

Do you go around saying that the only reason Arsenal got to the Champions League final was because of Campbell? Or the only reason they had a chance was because he scored?

I don't mention it, only that they failed to win.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I can see Viera turning up for his first day training at Spurs lodge and then realising "oh crap, I forgot they've got General Wilson, hope I don't get splinters".

To be honest as a replacement for Zokora and understudy to General Wilson it would be a good move, if it's as a first team player, no frickin way, old and too slow.

[Ginola's Son]

C'mon guys...Vieira won't sign for us, he hasn't got the scum-bag morals like ****bell.

[aftershock961]

Do you go around saying that the only reason Arsenal got to the Champions League final was because of Campbell? Or the only reason they had a chance was because he scored?

I don't mention it, only that they failed to win.


NO....But im not a Gooner

[singapore spur]

first football is an emotional tribal game and i can understand any spurs fans that cant stomach the thought of an arsenal legend playing for us , so lay off calling people fools if their emotion outweighs the rational answer .

i actually answered yes but on reflection it should be no . When he played for arse , many times i wished we had someone that dominant in midfield , someone that could control the tempo but mix it up when neccesary , he bullied the opposition and yes picked up quite a few cards doing it .

but he isnt the player he was , he aint making the move in his prime , he is looking for a club prepared to give him another pay check for a year or two .

as for character, i know its just a job for most of these guys , but you would think after being held in so much esteem by the arseholes down the road , the last thing he would do is sign for us , when im sure there are other clubs that would willingly sign him up in the premiership .thats what was so disapointing and downheartning about campell going to arse , he could hav egone anywhere

so somewhat confusingly if he agreed to sign for us i wouldnt want him , if he goes elsewhere then may regret it

[choda]

Im glad to sa ive seen some silver get lifted, but it has been long overdue since we have one anything of credit.

But imagine this..Say (lord forbid) we did sign Viera, and then went on to win something..You reacon they took the piss before, they would be screaming from the roofs we only one because we had a Gooner in our side..I for one would hate that.:sad:

What kind of logic is that? I'd just laugh at them and tell them he's a class act spurs legend now and they should never have sold him. See how they like that.

It's not about one player and if we sign him he's a spurs player. It's not like Milan laid claim to him for his Arsenal years after they sold him.

[Park_Lane]

AAAARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH!

I don't know!

1) He's Mr Arsenal, in fact, his full name is Mr Arsenal McArsenal of the clan Arsenal.
2) He has a completely spherical head.
3) I hate him

BUT

He could be a hell of a presence in the midfield and we need that!

Errrrrrrrrrrr...

Glad I'm not the manager!

[choda]

Remember I saw up close how he acted whilst loving us. He was worse than Berbatov whilst I was out there. That was when both were manuevering for a move by the way.

My point is, get over the fact he played for Arsenal - because hating him just for that is small time. Now tell me what he's ever done to you to make you hate him. Keane actuall did something to you similar to what Campbell done, who everyone hates.

PV was a dirty bastard, OK, but then after countless Didier Zokora two footers and one from Wilson just a month or two ago - I see / saw NO-ONE here trying to hound them out, at all.

Double standards no? Well it is, just in case you're going to try and argue otherwise.

Check the quotes and you will see all he said was if things stay the same he is happy here and could see himself staying til he retires. Do you not understand what that means? It just means he can see himself staying as things stand and he's happy, that's all.

Not the brightest thing to say when you have so many evangelistic fans in football who lose all rationality, but it's still absurd the way people go on about it.

I'm pretty disappointed actually because I've always prided on the fact that generally spurs fans are a more intelligent lot that realise the world doesn't revolve around their insatiable greed and thirst for success.

Magnanimity is one of the greatest qualities any individual and organisation can have.

[aftershock961]

What kind of logic is that? I'd just laugh at them and tell them he's a class act spurs legend now and they should never have sold him. See how they like that.

It's not about one player and if we sign him he's a spurs player. It's not like Milan laid claim to him for his Arsenal years after they sold him.

It has nothing to do with logic! It is about passion and loving your team and not under any circumstances compromising your values. And as a more elder supporter I will never except a ex gooner in to my beloved WHL.

[choda]

I'll just say one thing, I'm far more concerned if a guy is doing his job or not. I don't care where he's from, who he played for if he is doing the business for spurs then he is deserving to wear the shirt and showing respect for his the club and his employers.

Spurs fans should be above petty nonsense, we are a special club, these are the things that make us special.

[choda]

It has nothing to do with logic! It is about passion and loving your team and not under any circumstances compromising your values. And as a more elder supporter I will never except a ex gooner in to my beloved WHL.

Well then they are just being remedial monkeys, so why let it bother you?

My values have nothing to do with a frenchman that was employed down the road and now could be employed by us. He's not Tony Adams, that would take time to adjust to.

My passion is for what spurs stand for; beautiful football, grace, passion for your work. It has f*ck all to do with gooners really, except that their club is often the opposite of classy and I don't like them mainly for that.

[JWS]

Check the quotes and you will see all he said was if things stay the same he is happy here and could see himself staying til he retires. Do you not understand what that means? It just means he can see himself staying as things stand and he's happy, that's all.

Not the brightest thing to say when you have so many evangelistic fans in football who lose all rationality, but it's still absurd the way people go on about it.

I'm pretty disappointed actually because I've always prided on the fact that generally spurs fans are a more intelligent lot that realise the world doesn't revolve around their insatiable greed and thirst for success.

Magnanimity is one of the greatest qualities any individual and organisation can have.

Choda, precisely my point. Such an irrational response simply denegrates us all.

JWS.

[JWS]

first football is an emotional tribal game and i can understand any spurs fans that cant stomach the thought of an arsenal legend playing for us , so lay off calling people fools if their emotion outweighs the rational answer .

i actually answered yes but on reflection it should be no . When he played for arse , many times i wished we had someone that dominant in midfield , someone that could control the tempo but mix it up when neccesary , he bullied the opposition and yes picked up quite a few cards doing it .

but he isnt the player he was , he aint making the move in his prime , he is looking for a club prepared to give him another pay check for a year or two .

as for character, i know its just a job for most of these guys , but you would think after being held in so much esteem by the arseholes down the road , the last thing he would do is sign for us , when im sure there are other clubs that would willingly sign him up in the premiership .thats what was so disapointing and downheartning about campell going to arse , he could hav egone anywhere

so somewhat confusingly if he agreed to sign for us i wouldnt want him , if he goes elsewhere then may regret it

Look, as a former user of the Rivals Board, I have seen countless stupid postings from other club's supporters aimed at deliberately winding everyone up, and generally I have been able to knock them down because of that stupidity.

I believe that if we consider ourselves "special", as I think we are [thus inviting the charge of arrogance from others] we should act that way and not succumb to the outlandish rantings of a demented hoard, like Newcastle supporters.

If a view is irrational, I'm going to say so and tell the person that I consider it as such. The furore on here today about an ex-Gooner is lamentable - it just shows what small-minded people we can be, and if you don't like that view you're free to say so too and I'll lay off no one, just because you say so.:cursing:

If Vieira comes to Spurs [and I believe it is a Harry hoax or a probe to see if anything is moving out there in a desperately quiet transfer market] and scores goals for us, what am I - what are they - going to do? Sit there, as is implicit in what others have said, stay silent or even boo the man?:glare:


JWS.

[Chathamspur]

and you consider yourself a mature adult right :laugh:

Yeah, and your'e not a shitc.unt.

Its called passion, thats why I wont wear red and I know many the same so watch your ****ing manners.

[yid4lifemk]

Dont care who it is.........dont want no scummy Arsenal players at WHL:cursing: :cursing: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

[MiloMinderbinder]

Look, as a former user of the Rivals Board, I have seen countless stupid postings from other club's supporters aimed at deliberately winding everyone up, and generally I have been able to knock them down because of that stupidity.

I believe that if we consider ourselves "special", as I think we are [thus inviting the charge of arrogance from others] we should act that way and not succumb to the outlandish rantings of a demented hoard, like Newcastle supporters.

If a view is irrational, I'm going to say so and tell the person that I consider it as such. The furore on here today about an ex-Gooner is lamentable - it just shows what small-minded people we can be, and if you don't like that view you're free to say so too and I'll lay off no one, just because you say so.:cursing:

If Vieira comes to Spurs [and I believe it is a Harry hoax or a probe to see if anything is moving out there in a desperately quiet transfer market] and scores goals for us, what am I - what are they - going to do? Sit there, as is implicit in what others have said, stay silent or even boo the man?:glare:


JWS.

Top post, good work chap.

[Park_Lane]

Confused now: most sites are saying Viera would be on a free and pay-as-you-play, so, what is this all about:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/07/14/1382075/tottenham-willing-to-use-jenas-as-makeweight-for-patrick
Is there anyone else at Inter you can think would be possibles to switch JJ for?

[hastingsyid]

NO.....ex filth fvck him

[Rojoknapp]

Remember I saw up close how he acted whilst loving us. He was worse than Berbatov whilst I was out there. That was when both were manuevering for a move by the way.

My point is, get over the fact he played for Arsenal - because hating him just for that is small time. Now tell me what he's ever done to you to make you hate him. Keane actuall did something to you similar to what Campbell done, who everyone hates.

PV was a dirty bastard, OK, but then after countless Didier Zokora two footers and one from Wilson just a month or two ago - I see / saw NO-ONE here trying to hound them out, at all.

Double standards no? Well it is, just in case you're going to try and argue otherwise.

I've said repeatedly what he's done! He's been a cheating, malicious thug - IN ADDITION to playing for Arsenal. I would grudgingly accept certain gooners, but sure as hell not this c*nt.

[Spur]

Pick up The London Paper. Bastard's keep nicking shit off here eh GS?

[gomessi]

He would improve the squad (not hard as zok was shit, hudd cant play in mid and Ohara is to busy getting pissed). IF harry can restore some of the old magic he'd be a fantastic signing.

He'd make decent backup for wilson when he gets suspernsions and injuries so I cant see the risk in this signing.

The worry I have is Harry thinks viera (the new zakora:001_smile: ) will have the stregnth to last 30+ prem games. I've got serious doubts he'll be able to stay fit and play at a high level for over 30 prem game. Just looking at the number of appearances he has made and the list of injuries its a big concern.

However if he is prepared to sign without taking astronomical wages the risk would be very low and a potential bargain.

I havent watched viera play 90 minutes for a very longtime so it harder for me to vote yes or no. I'm leaning towards yes if its for free and the wages arent to high.

[LifeTimeYido]

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.com/2009/07/corriere-dello-sport-patrick-vieira-to.html

Tuesday, 14 July 2009
Corriere dello Sport "Patrick Vieira to sign for Tottenham"
Italian sports paper, the Corriere dello Sport and other Italian sources have announced that "Patrick Vieira will sign a 12 month contract with Premier League side, Tottenham Hotspur FC, by July 22nd".

The Italian radio stations have also run the story stating that "Vieira has announced that he will be leaving Milan and returning to London to play for Tottenham Hotspur".

"Vieira also has an option to sign for Fulham, but has decided to move to Tottenham Hotspur as he is personal friends with the Tottenham Hotspur head coach, Harry Redknapp", added the radio station.

Where did he know Redknapp from ??

[TURKISH]

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.com/2009/07/corriere-dello-sport-patrick-vieira-to.html

Tuesday, 14 July 2009


Where did he know Redknapp from ??

Facebook.:001_rolleyes:

[berbzy 'G']

Facebook.:001_rolleyes:

:001_rolleyes:

[Lowther]

no thanks.

This is not cos he's an ex-gooner tho. Herbert Chapman, ex spurs player made arsenal a big team back in the 30s or something. Didn't see them goons moaning. Nor did they boo camp**** off the pitch. Had we bought viera off them at his prime straight from goons, they would have been sick. We would have rubbed their noses in it as we picked up trophy after trophy.

I dont want him cos he's old and shit

[hastingsyid]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/14/article-1199500-05B400EA000005DC-544_306x204.jpg




:scared: :scared: :scared: fvck off

[Keanoldinho]

Yeah, and your'e not a shitc.unt.

Its called passion, thats why I wont wear red and I know many the same so watch your ****ing manners.


touch a nerve there big guy :001_rolleyes:

and it's not called passion it's called stupidity

the color red's been around alot longer than the scum you should try growing up some day

[Spur]

For those of you who didn't see it, The London Paper today quoted" But a fan on THFCTalk.com site said "Personally, I'm a yes. A Vieira Wilson Palacios partnership should be feared".

I refer you back to my first post.

These journalists have hard jobs stealing from messageboards eh?

[inthewoods]

Finally I realise why Tottenham Hotspur FC have been in the shit for so long. Us fans have to take a long hard look at ourselves if we are serious at finally winning anything at this club. The double standards in this thread is shocking. Ive heard people they wouldnt want that ''**** who used to play for da gooners'' play for us. Hold on, Pat Jennings is a ****ing legend of this club but he played for Arsenal? On the other side of the continent, Figo played for Barca for 5 years. He was a legend. He moved to Real Madrid. Did Real Madrid supporters care? Did they ****.

Michael Owen is now a Manchester United player. Now Im sure a lot of football fans out there would debate whether or not Owen is passed it or not. No doubt he will get a good reception when he plays at Old Trafford. Why? Because Man Utd fans are used to seeing their team win and arent bothered by silly, petty, trivial matters such as the fact that he was once employed by a bitter rival. If Roy Keane, arguably the most controversial player Premier League history, signed for us just before he retired this whole board would rejoice. No matter how many times he was booked or sent off. No matter how many dirty tackles he put in or how many times he tried to end a guys career, this board would rejoice. Now dont give that crap about you dont want to see Vieira play for Tottenham because hes a hateful, dirty ****. Roy Keane was a hateful, dirty ****. But he sure knew how to win a ****ing football match. If you all would rather see a nice little player in our midfield, one who looks good and waves at the crowd and signs all the autographs for every child in the stadium and toe tap the ball into the net then thats fair enough. I want Tottenham to win things. In order to do that, sometimes you gotta be dirty. So bring in Vieira.

[TheRealestYiddo]

I'll never be able to support that c**t. :cursing:

F**kin gooner reject.

[JWS]

no thanks.

This is not cos he's an ex-gooner tho. Herbert Chapman, ex spurs player made arsenal a big team back in the 30s or something. Didn't see them goons moaning. Nor did they boo camp**** off the pitch. Had we bought viera off them at his prime straight from goons, they would have been sick. We would have rubbed their noses in it as we picked up trophy after trophy.

I dont want him cos he's old and shit

It might be a little in the vernacular but it's a reasoned and respectable argument. My beef is with people who simply reject Vieira playing for us because he's a former Gooner and for no other reason.

For those who think that this attitude is a demonstration of overt loyalty, well, in my opinion, it isn't. Loyalty is wanting the club to succeed as best it can in a difficult world. If the target was Barton, then I'd be worried as he has a very unpleasant nature and a record beyond the FA. Now, that's someone we wouldn't want. Vieira falls a long way from being in that category.


JWS.


JWS.

[Shelfside]

Finally I realise why Tottenham Hotspur FC have been in the shit for so long. Us fans have to take a long hard look at ourselves if we are serious at finally winning anything at this club. The double standards in this thread is shocking. Ive heard people they wouldnt want that ''**** who used to play for da gooners'' play for us. Hold on, Pat Jennings is a ****ing legend of this club but he played for Arsenal? On the other side of the continent, Figo played for Barca for 5 years. He was a legend. He moved to Real Madrid. Did Real Madrid supporters care? Did they ****.

Michael Owen is now a Manchester United player. Now Im sure a lot of football fans out there would debate whether or not Owen is passed it or not. No doubt he will get a good reception when he plays at Old Trafford. Why? Because Man Utd fans are used to seeing their team win and arent bothered by silly, petty, trivial matters such as the fact that he was once employed by a bitter rival. If Roy Keane, arguably the most controversial player Premier League history, signed for us just before he retired this whole board would rejoice. No matter how many times he was booked or sent off. No matter how many dirty tackles he put in or how many times he tried to end a guys career, this board would rejoice. Now dont give that crap about you dont want to see Vieira play for Tottenham because hes a hateful, dirty ****. Roy Keane was a hateful, dirty ****. But he sure knew how to win a ****ing football match. If you all would rather see a nice little player in our midfield, one who looks good and waves at the crowd and signs all the autographs for every child in the stadium and toe tap the ball into the net then thats fair enough. I want Tottenham to win things. In order to do that, sometimes you gotta be dirty. So bring in Vieira.

Top post fella.
There are some depressingly playground-style principles displayed by Tottenham fans everywhere,not just on here.It's the mentality that says some fans would happily finish tenth or in the bottom half if they could beat Arsenal once at least once a year.
It's the mentality that says we must play in a certain type of way and we must must only sign certain types of players.We are our own worst enemies.Why do you think that Arsenal headed off into the stratosphere and left us behind when Wenger joined them?.He overhauled everything about that club:the players,the mentality of the players,the style of football and indeed the public perception of Arsenal.And that is what we need,a total overhaul from top to bottom.
We are under no obligation to be shackled to the past or past traditions.As far as I am concerned,Tottenham died as a big club when we lost to Coventry in the 1987 cup final.We have spent the majority of those next 22 years being in mid-table anonimity,but also with more than a few relegation battles just to spice things up.Something has to change for us to re-establish ourselves as a force.
I don't believe that people will spend £1000 on a season ticket just to see us play nice football.Surely you would want us to play nice WINNING football,but failing that just winning football will be enough.
Oh and as a side note,would anyone like to call Glenn Hoddle a judas for joining Chelsea as a player and then becoming their manager?.

[thebrute]

Top post fella.
There are some depressingly playground-style principles displayed by Tottenham fans everywhere,not just on here.It's the mentality that says some fans would happily finish tenth or in the bottom half if they could beat Arsenal once at least once a year.
It's the mentality that says we must play in a certain type of way and we must must only sign certain types of players.We are our own worst enemies.Why do you think that Arsenal headed off into the stratosphere and left us behind when Wenger joined them?.He overhauled everything about that club:the players,the mentality of the players,the style of football and indeed the public perception of Arsenal.And that is what we need,a total overhaul from top to bottom.
We are under no obligation to be shackled to the past or past traditions.As far as I am concerned,Tottenham died as a big club when we lost to Coventry in the 1987 cup final.We have spent the majority of those next 22 years being in mid-table anonimity,but also with more than a few relegation battles just to spice things up.Something has to change for us to re-establish ourselves as a force.
I don't believe that people will spend £1000 on a season ticket just to see us play nice football.Surely you would want us to play nice WINNING football,but failing that just winning football will be enough.
Oh and as a side note,would anyone like to call Glenn Hoddle a judas for joining Chelsea as a player and then becoming their manager?.

thats the year that i was born :scared: do you think our underachieving is my fault and it's not bale who's the curse it's.....it's.....it's ME!!!!

[Benne208]

It might be a little in the vernacular but it's a reasoned and respectable argument. My beef is with people who simply reject Vieira playing for us because he's a former Gooner and for no other reason.

For those who think that this attitude is a demonstration of overt loyalty, well, in my opinion, it isn't. Loyalty is wanting the club to succeed as best it can in a difficult world. If the target was Barton, then I'd be worried as he has a very unpleasant nature and a record beyond the FA. Now, that's someone we wouldn't want. Vieira falls a long way from being in that category.


JWS.


JWS.

But he does fall in to the category of being 33. Way past his best. On the back of his worst season for years.
It don't matter who he is, or who he plays/played for, he is a spent force and imo not the player everyone who's fore him thinks he STILL is.
We need a Vieira type player, but preferabley ten years younger.

[inthewoods]

But he does fall in to the category of being 33. Way past his best. On the back of his worst season for years.
It don't matter who he is, or who he plays/played for, he is a spent force and imo not the player everyone who's fore him thinks he STILL is.
We need a Vieira type player, but preferabley ten years younger.

Did you say the same thing about Edgar Davids?

[irishspur]

Finally I realise why Tottenham Hotspur FC have been in the shit for so long. Us fans have to take a long hard look at ourselves if we are serious at finally winning anything at this club. The double standards in this thread is shocking. Ive heard people they wouldnt want that ''**** who used to play for da gooners'' play for us. Hold on, Pat Jennings is a ****ing legend of this club but he played for Arsenal? On the other side of the continent, Figo played for Barca for 5 years. He was a legend. He moved to Real Madrid. Did Real Madrid supporters care? Did they ****.

Michael Owen is now a Manchester United player. Now Im sure a lot of football fans out there would debate whether or not Owen is passed it or not. No doubt he will get a good reception when he plays at Old Trafford. Why? Because Man Utd fans are used to seeing their team win and arent bothered by silly, petty, trivial matters such as the fact that he was once employed by a bitter rival. If Roy Keane, arguably the most controversial player Premier League history, signed for us just before he retired this whole board would rejoice. No matter how many times he was booked or sent off. No matter how many dirty tackles he put in or how many times he tried to end a guys career, this board would rejoice. Now dont give that crap about you dont want to see Vieira play for Tottenham because hes a hateful, dirty ****. Roy Keane was a hateful, dirty ****. But he sure knew how to win a ****ing football match. If you all would rather see a nice little player in our midfield, one who looks good and waves at the crowd and signs all the autographs for every child in the stadium and toe tap the ball into the net then thats fair enough. I want Tottenham to win things. In order to do that, sometimes you gotta be dirty. So bring in Vieira.

Thats an excellent post i agree totally. Btw whereabouts in the emerald isle do you hail from?

[Benne208]

Did you say the same thing about Edgar Davids?

I did. And how long did he last ?

[inthewoods]

Thats an excellent post i agree totally. Btw whereabouts in the emerald isle do you hail from?

Thanks mate, glad you agree. Im from the County Down. We all love Patrick Vieira up here lol

[inthewoods]

I did. And how long did he last ?

He did a very good job in the short time he was here and his experience was invaluable, theres no doubt about that. He wasnt a bad signing. Plus im sure we are going to get Vieira on the free, if we do get him. What have we got to lose then?

[JWS]

But he does fall in to the category of being 33. Way past his best. On the back of his worst season for years.
It don't matter who he is, or who he plays/played for, he is a spent force and imo not the player everyone who's fore him thinks he STILL is.
We need a Vieira type player, but preferabley ten years younger.


I don't think we disagree about an argument that is reasoned, do we?


JWS.

[irishspur]

I did. And how long did he last ?

The season we had him was the season we almost finished fourth, our best season for years. His experience was invaluable and a lot of younger players benefited. He got a lot of assists too.

[Benne208]

He did a very good job in the short time he was here and his experience was invaluable, theres no doubt about that. He wasnt a bad signing. Plus im sure we are going to get Vieira on the free, if we do get him. What have we got to lose then?


We'll have to wait and see. Imo i would want a younger player. Leave the hasbeens to the likes of Wet Spam & Bolton. At leased it keeps them up every year.

[JWS]

Top post fella.
There are some depressingly playground-style principles displayed by Tottenham fans everywhere,not just on here.It's the mentality that says some fans would happily finish tenth or in the bottom half if they could beat Arsenal once at least once a year.
It's the mentality that says we must play in a certain type of way and we must must only sign certain types of players.We are our own worst enemies.Why do you think that Arsenal headed off into the stratosphere and left us behind when Wenger joined them?.He overhauled everything about that club:the players,the mentality of the players,the style of football and indeed the public perception of Arsenal.And that is what we need,a total overhaul from top to bottom.
We are under no obligation to be shackled to the past or past traditions.As far as I am concerned,Tottenham died as a big club when we lost to Coventry in the 1987 cup final.We have spent the majority of those next 22 years being in mid-table anonimity,but also with more than a few relegation battles just to spice things up.Something has to change for us to re-establish ourselves as a force.
I don't believe that people will spend £1000 on a season ticket just to see us play nice football.Surely you would want us to play nice WINNING football,but failing that just winning football will be enough.
Oh and as a side note,would anyone like to call Glenn Hoddle a judas for joining Chelsea as a player and then becoming their manager?.

I liked your post as I agree with almost all of it:thumbup:

You say the decline was in 1987 after the Coventry defeat at Wembley. I thought about that and was about to say "yes, you're right", when I then recalled the 1991 squad with Lineker and Gazza which beat Forest in the FA Cup. I think somewhere that year we began to lose it. We were euphoric at getting Lineker only to be demoralised by having to sell Waddle. We then lost Venables and from there on in it has been downhill for the most part.:thumbdown: :thumbdown:


JWS.

[olly27]

Thanks mate, glad you agree. Im from the County Down. We all love Patrick Vieira up here lol

Me to mate, where in County Down?

[Shelfside]

I liked your post as I agree with almost all of it:thumbup:

You say the decline was in 1987 after the Coventry defeat at Wembley. I thought about that and was about to say "yes, you're right", when I then recalled the 1991 squad with Lineker and Gazza which beat Forest in the FA Cup. I think somewhere that year we began to lose it. We were euphoric at getting Lineker only to be demoralised by having to sell Waddle. We then lost Venables and from there on in it has been downhill for the most part.:thumbdown: :thumbdown:


JWS.

The Cup final win and certain individual players aside,the Venables era was one that I hated at the time and even now I don't see any reason to change my opinion on that.Indeed after a 4-1 home defeat to Chelsea in Aug 1989,I can still clearly recall ALL the Spurs chanting Venables out.No doubt some of those very same fans were amongst those waiting outside the High Court in 1993 to support Venables.
Like I said,1987 was for me Tottenham's last breath as one of the 'big' clubs.And to re-establish ourselves as a big club then sometimes you have to get help from quarters that you don't really want help from.And if ex-Arsenal players help to re-establish us as a force then so be it.

[inthewoods]

Me to mate, where in County Down?

Belfast (South of course). What about yourself?

[irishspur]

Me to mate, where in County Down?

Two guys from up in down! What are the odds:001_smile:

[Spur]

I did. And how long did he last ?

Long enough to get us Champions League football.

[olly27]

Belfast (South of course). What about yourself?

Malone?...very nice, Lisburn Road..nice to!

Bangor originally, now am out past Donaghadee, down the coast.

[JWS]

The Cup final win and certain individual players aside,the Venables era was one that I hated at the time and even now I don't see any reason to change my opinion on that.Indeed after a 4-1 home defeat to Chelsea in Aug 1989,I can still clearly recall ALL the Spurs chanting Venables out.No doubt some of those very same fans were amongst those waiting outside the High Court in 1993 to support Venables.
Like I said,1987 was for me Tottenham's last breath as one of the 'big' clubs.And to re-establish ourselves as a big club then sometimes you have to get help from quarters that you don't really want help from.And if ex-Arsenal players help to re-establish us as a force then so be it.


I suppose if you add in the 3rd place in the then First Divison and the League Cup Semi-Final, you are probably right, although the sale of Gazza also hit us far harder than I could ever have imagined.


JWS.

[choda]

Finally I realise why Tottenham Hotspur FC have been in the shit for so long. Us fans have to take a long hard look at ourselves if we are serious at finally winning anything at this club. The double standards in this thread is shocking. Ive heard people they wouldnt want that ''**** who used to play for da gooners'' play for us. Hold on, Pat Jennings is a ****ing legend of this club but he played for Arsenal? On the other side of the continent, Figo played for Barca for 5 years. He was a legend. He moved to Real Madrid. Did Real Madrid supporters care? Did they ****.

Michael Owen is now a Manchester United player. Now Im sure a lot of football fans out there would debate whether or not Owen is passed it or not. No doubt he will get a good reception when he plays at Old Trafford. Why? Because Man Utd fans are used to seeing their team win and arent bothered by silly, petty, trivial matters such as the fact that he was once employed by a bitter rival. If Roy Keane, arguably the most controversial player Premier League history, signed for us just before he retired this whole board would rejoice. No matter how many times he was booked or sent off. No matter how many dirty tackles he put in or how many times he tried to end a guys career, this board would rejoice. Now dont give that crap about you dont want to see Vieira play for Tottenham because hes a hateful, dirty ****. Roy Keane was a hateful, dirty ****. But he sure knew how to win a ****ing football match. If you all would rather see a nice little player in our midfield, one who looks good and waves at the crowd and signs all the autographs for every child in the stadium and toe tap the ball into the net then thats fair enough. I want Tottenham to win things. In order to do that, sometimes you gotta be dirty. So bring in Vieira.

I don't consider Keane or Vieira hateful or dirty, they were just hard but fair and an odd time they lost the head because their game was based on being a warrier, physically imposing themselves on the game as well as technically. But they would be the type with a code of conduct. For example one of Keane's greatest regrets in football was throwing a ball hard at Shearer before he took a throw.

And both Keane and Vieira speak very highly of one another.

Someone like Barton is hateful unless he grows up and he has a lot of ground to make up from the utter shitweasel he has been.

I think people often confuse will to win, a no nonsense attitude, lots of confrontation and hard tackling (this is a man's game is it not?) with hatefulness, dirty play and other things imo, which I don't really understand.

Other than that I totally agree with you.

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Top post fella.
There are some depressingly playground-style principles displayed by Tottenham fans everywhere,not just on here.It's the mentality that says some fans would happily finish tenth or in the bottom half if they could beat Arsenal once at least once a year.
It's the mentality that says we must play in a certain type of way and we must must only sign certain types of players.We are our own worst enemies.Why do you think that Arsenal headed off into the stratosphere and left us behind when Wenger joined them?.He overhauled everything about that club:the players,the mentality of the players,the style of football and indeed the public perception of Arsenal.And that is what we need,a total overhaul from top to bottom.
We are under no obligation to be shackled to the past or past traditions.As far as I am concerned,Tottenham died as a big club when we lost to Coventry in the 1987 cup final.We have spent the majority of those next 22 years being in mid-table anonimity,but also with more than a few relegation battles just to spice things up.Something has to change for us to re-establish ourselves as a force.
I don't believe that people will spend £1000 on a season ticket just to see us play nice football.Surely you would want us to play nice WINNING football,but failing that just winning football will be enough.
Oh and as a side note,would anyone like to call Glenn Hoddle a judas for joining Chelsea as a player and then becoming their manager?.

Well as I've said before this club believes like Barcalona that the best way to play winning football is to play attractive football and at least if you aren't winning it is still good to watch. It is also entertainment.

History would also back up the assertion that beautiful football is the way to reach the pinnacle of success, as all the great sides were good to watch.

Any great side I've seen was also good to watch and the really truly great ones are special to watch, like this current Barca side.

As for how Viera has anything to do with this I've no idea anyway since this is the guy that started off I don't know how many quality moves for Arse and France.

And there is another side to the game called when you don't have the ball and you need a spine to your team as well, good reading of the defensive situations and people putting their work rate and tackles in.

Vieira, like Davids, is the type of guy that can surge your team up the table by his very example of be a winner.

[KevSpur]

I voted stay away.
Was it 2 seasons back the arse played Inter, and the games just passed
him by, so it looks like his PL days are gone.
On a personal level it would be difficult for me to see him wearing our shirt.
We have never signed a player that I have detested before.
Remember him spitting at Razor Ruddock?
Remember the confrontations with Roy Keane, and I'm thinking
go on Keano, nut him.
All things considered, no thanks.

[JonnieJones]

you can just see redknapp making him captain aswell.

[Shelfside]

Well as I've said before this club believes like Barcalona that the best way to play winning football is to play attractive football and at least if you aren't winning it is still good to watch. It is also entertainment.

History would also back up the assertion that beautiful football is the way to reach the pinnacle of success, as all the great sides were good to watch.

Any great side I've seen was also good to watch and the really truly great ones are special to watch, like this current Barca side.

As for how Viera has anything to do with this I've no idea anyway since this is the guy that started off I don't know how many quality moves for Arse and France.

And there is another side to the game called when you don't have the ball and you need a spine to your team as well, good reading of the defensive situations and people putting their work rate and tackles in.

Vieira, like Davids, is the type of guy that can surge your team up the table by his very example of be a winner.

This club may in principle share the same footballing philosophy as Barcelona,but that is where the similarity ends.
Remember the 2005 Fa cup final between Arsenal and Man Utd?.Arsenal won that by more or less playing for penalty kicks.And Viera was part of that.Sometimes you have to win ugly and players like Viera know how to win with great football and ugly football.
Viera has the intelligence to know what match requires which type of football and that is the type of player that we need.