What a prize tit

[Keanoldinho]

:lol: Michael Owen lmfao

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1194363/Michael-Owen-The-gissa-job-dossier--32-glossy-pages-past-glories-hard-sell--course-brand-values.html?ITO=1490

[Spur]

Think he'll be a cracking signing for whoever gets him.

Always scores goals. More than Pavlyuchenko this year, almost as much as Keane, not far off Defoe and Bent. And played almost as much as Defoe and Bent this year, whilst more than Pavlyuchenko.

[TURKISH]

A good player when fit but does he deserve the wages he wants? No why should someone pay him that amount when he hardly plays?

Owen is done and the fact that hardly any intrest in him shows how badly his injury record is.

[gomessi]

Think he'll be a cracking signing for whoever gets him.

Always scores goals. More than Pavlyuchenko this year, almost as much as Keane, not far off Defoe and Bent. And played almost as much as Defoe and Bent this year, whilst more than Pavlyuchenko.

This season pav got 14 goals and owen has 10.

[Spur]

This season pav got 14 goals and owen has 10.

Pav has got 5 and Owen has 8. But good try.

A bit harsh to take into cosideration European and Cup goals for one if the other hasn't played in any of those games.

And we should bear in mind our strikers all played in a top-8 team, whereas Owen was in a team playing Danny Guthrie at left back.

[choda]

Pav has got 5 and Owen has 8. But good try.

A bit harsh to take into cosideration European and Cup goals for one if the other hasn't played in any of those games.

And we should bear in mind our strikers all played in a top-8 team, whereas Owen was in a team playing Danny Guthrie at left back.

Owen was a class act, still has a lot of that class if fit. But why would you buy Owen when you have Robbie Keane?

Records at highest level are almost identical. 40 goals in 90 games. And that's just scoring. Owen used to have the pace over Keane, Keane always had the link play over him. Both have excellent football brains for anticipation.

But Owen's electric pace is gone and he's always getting injured.

Why buy him? He's not what we need. We need a top target man to play with Keane and a top midfielder to complete the team.

If Owen is happy on the bench and will accept a pay per play deal then great, but that's not going to happen.

[Spur]

Owen was a class act, still has a lot of that class if fit. But why would you buy Owen when you have Robbie Keane?

Records at highest level are almost identical. 40 goals in 90 games. And that's just scoring. Owen used to have the pace over Keane, Keane always had the link play over him. Both have excellent football brains for anticipation.

But Owen's electric pace is gone and he's always getting injured.

Why buy him? He's not what we need. We need a top target man to play with Keane and a top midfielder to complete the team.

If Owen is happy on the bench and will accept a pay per play deal then great, but that's not going to happen.

You're jumping the gun again - who said anything about buying him?

Why would I want Michael Owen when I've got Jermain Defoe? No thanks.

[TURKISH]

Pav has got 5 and Owen has 8. But good try.

A bit harsh to take into cosideration European and Cup goals for one if the other hasn't played in any of those games.

And we should bear in mind our strikers all played in a top-8 team, whereas Owen was in a team playing Danny Guthrie at left back.

Newcastle were higher than us for a long period during the season. Plus it was pavs first season with us but owen is a goal machine and will always out score 99% of strikers out there when fit and hungry.

[choda]

You're jumping the gun again - who said anything about buying him?

Why would I want Michael Owen when I've got Jermain Defoe? No thanks.

Oh jee, sorry, cracking signing for anyone and you compare him to some of our ones.

Defoe?

He's better than Defoe, different league, but never fit, so yea why would you even want him ahead of Defoe.

[MarlowSpurs]

Rather have Tevez

[Spur]

Oh jee, sorry, cracking signing for anyone and you compare him to some of our ones.

Defoe?

He's better than Defoe, different league, but never fit, so yea why would you even want him ahead of Defoe.

Maybe I compared them to ours to show that he wasn't as over-the-hill as the bandwagon you've seemingly jumped on makes out.

Defoe?

Yeah Defoe. He's not better than Defoe as Jermain's inclusion in the England squad, along with stats, along with Jermain's inclusion in the England squad directly after missing 3 months, and my opinion. He's not better than Defoe. he was, but he isn't. And that's not even why I wouldn't want him, but for the simple fact Jermain is already here and taking up the midget striker spot.

Ed: I suppose it's not worth mentioning that I wouldn't mind JD leaving either - in line with my currently new thread in the Football lounge. I've a tendency for strikers to be slightly taller than an oompa loompa.

[Shelfside]

Obviously that brochure does look more than a little tragic,but if Michael Owen comes to his senses and realises that he will have to more than halve his wages for someone to sign him,he will be a good signing for that club IF he stays fit.
I think that his management have dropped a PR bollock and he will be ridiculed for this.Was there really no discreet way of selling their client?.

[AllRise]

Obviously that brochure does look more than a little tragic,but if Michael Owen comes to his senses and realises that he will have to more than halve his wages for someone to sign him,he will be a good signing for that club IF he stays fit.
I think that his management have dropped a PR bollock and he will be ridiculed for this.Was there really no discreet way of selling their client?.

Totally agree, every interview he has from now will involve this.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Yeah Defoe. He's not better than Defoe as Jermain's inclusion in the England squad, along with stats, along with Jermain's inclusion in the England squad directly after missing 3 months, and my opinion. He's not better than Defoe. he was, but he isn't. And that's not even why I wouldn't want him, but for the simple fact Jermain is already here and taking up the midget striker spot.


ill have wateva uve bin drinkin!

[Spur]

ill have wateva uve bin drinkin!

You disagree you nutty fella?

[Keanoldinho]

Obviously that brochure does look more than a little tragic,but if Michael Owen comes to his senses and realises that he will have to more than halve his wages for someone to sign him,he will be a good signing for that club IF he stays fit.
I think that his management have dropped a PR bollock and he will be ridiculed for this.Was there really no discreet way of selling their client?.


that's what I was getting at everyone else seemed to overlook it

did you read some of the stuff in it, it's absolutely hilarious :laugh:

[choda]

Maybe I compared them to ours to show that he wasn't as over-the-hill as the bandwagon you've seemingly jumped on makes out.

Defoe?

Yeah Defoe. He's not better than Defoe as Jermain's inclusion in the England squad, along with stats, along with Jermain's inclusion in the England squad directly after missing 3 months, and my opinion. He's not better than Defoe. he was, but he isn't. And that's not even why I wouldn't want him, but for the simple fact Jermain is already here and taking up the midget striker spot.

Ed: I suppose it's not worth mentioning that I wouldn't mind JD leaving either - in line with my currently new thread in the Football lounge. I've a tendency for strikers to be slightly taller than an oompa loompa.

If he was fit and playing regularly he'd be ahead of Defoe in the England pecking order, without any shred of doubt what so ever. Italians are pure sticklers for fitness and regular action.

And anyway that's just Capello's view.

Owen is just different calibre to Defoe. His brain is much better and he's cooler in what he does. His record is superb as well. Defoe wouldn't have that international record. He has mostly been very disappointing in his England starts, performance wise and predictably in my opinion.

And this is not prejudice or personal vendetta, I'd love to see him kick on but imo he just hasn't got the class of Keane or Owen, hasn't got the quality.

40 international goals in 90 games is high calibre stuff, added to all of what they did for their clubs too.

Owen is just never fit and not in the 'nearly world class' category of strikers anymore because he's lost the electric pace. Still top class though, but you'd have to put him behind guys (in rating players) that score a lot and link the play well or have great movement or have physicality.

[MarlowSpurs]

Obviously that brochure does look more than a little tragic,but if Michael Owen comes to his senses and realises that he will have to more than halve his wages for someone to sign him,he will be a good signing for that club IF he stays fit.
I think that his management have dropped a PR bollock and he will be ridiculed for this.Was there really no discreet way of selling their client?.

Could have tried Ebay or the home shopping channel on Sky:001_rolleyes:

[Shuggie13]

I read about this last week and couldn't stop laughing. It is absolutely absurd.

I guarantee Owens goals and appearances next season combined will not even add up to the pages in his brochure.

I see where a lot of people are coming from about Owen but his quality came from his pace. That was 10 years ago, not 1 year ago ago and one small injury ago, but 10 long years ago and many, many injuries.

[gomessi]

I like the bit where owens doc is also looking after ashton and dyer. Why mention that!

[Spur]

I read about this last week and couldn't stop laughing. It is absolutely absurd.

I guarantee Owens goals and appearances next season combined will not even add up to the pages in his brochure.

I see where a lot of people are coming from about Owen but his quality came from his pace. That was 10 years ago, not 1 year ago ago and one small injury ago, but 10 long years ago and many, many injuries.

Judas' game relied heavily on pace, he's still playing major league ball.

Likewise Ledley, not as fast anymore - has he lost it?

Owen's game has adapted, hence the headedgoals he was knocking in early in the season.

[Shelfside]

Could have tried Ebay or the home shopping channel on Sky:001_rolleyes:

Would they have been any less humiliating though?.I doubt it to be honest.

[Shuggie13]

Judas' game relied heavily on pace, he's still playing major league ball.

Likewise Ledley, not as fast anymore - has he lost it?

Owen's game has adapted, hence the headedgoals he was knocking in early in the season.

You can't compare the two positions, CB and Forward. A CB can lose there pace but their overall game is not as effected as much as a striker because they can fall back on positional sense. If a striker loses there pace there is a always a high chance that they have lost the cutting edge of their game. Just as players like RVN, Lineaker, Berbatov, & Sherringham never relied on it. I may be wrong but I have never seen Owen as a straight out predator (RVN and Lineaker) or a thinking forward like Sheri or Berba.

Ledley has still got his pace was it Agbonhlahor he kept up with in one match this season? Judas has lost his pace as CB and at times it is thoroughly apparent.

Can you gave me an example of a striker that relied heavily on pace as a youngster and then developed into a different type of player (forward) to extend their career and their goalscoring? I cant think of one at hand.

[Spur]

You can't compare the two positions, CB and Forward. A CB can lose there pace but their overall game is not as effected as much as a striker because they can fall back on positional sense. If a striker loses there pace there is a always a high chance that they have lost the cutting edge of their game. Just as players like RVN, Lineaker, Berbatov, & Sherringham never relied on it. I may be wrong but I have never seen Owen as a straight out predator (RVN and Lineaker) or a thinking forward like Sheri or Berba.

Ledley has still got his pace was it Agbonhlahor he kept up with in one match this season? Judas has lost his pace as CB and at times it is thoroughly apparent.

Can you gave me an example of a striker that relied heavily on pace as a youngster and then developed into a different type of player (forward) to extend their career and their goalscoring? I cant think of one at hand.
'Tis a good question. But surely that only goes to strengthen the argument he won't lose his goalscoring tag - name a striker that relied heavily on pace but then stopped scoring once he lost it - neither of us can. Therefore Owen losing his pace isn't necessarily the end of the road.

Besides, people are saying he's lost his pace and yet in a relegated team he outscored our 15million striker and wasn't far off the 16, 20, and 12million men. Doesn't that say alot? Doesn't it? I think it does. And except for the Russian one he played less than all of ours.

Louis Saha is a player most would say that his career has already ended. Try telling that to David Moyes.

[Spur]

Choda - who'd you rather have wearing lilywhite right now, Michael Owen or Jermain Defoe?

[Shuggie13]

Choda - who'd you rather have wearing lilywhite right now, Michael Owen or Jermain Defoe?

If he says Owen, I will put him on ignore immediately. :001_smile:

[Shuggie13]

'Tis a good question. But surely that only goes to strengthen the argument he won't lose his goalscoring tag - name a striker that relied heavily on pace but then stopped scoring once he lost it - neither of us can. Therefore Owen losing his pace isn't necessarily the end of the road.

Besides, people are saying he's lost his pace and yet in a relegated team he outscored our 15million striker and wasn't far off the 16, 20, and 12million men. Doesn't that say alot? Doesn't it? I think it does. And except for the Russian one he played less than all of ours.

Louis Saha is a player most would say that his career has already ended. Try telling that to David Moyes.

Fair points. For me I remember Owen very much for the goal he scored against Argentina WC98 and when he skinned Adams in the FA Cup final. This may well be clouding my judgement. I am still not convinced he can or has changed his game to suit the loss of pace but your stats speak for themself.

As for Saha, I still rate him. One player to think about is Anelka. I recall him being a pacey bugger when he was younger, he has lost quite a bit of it now but his all-round game is phenomenal and he seems to have got even more intelligent in his finishing as he has got older.

I just thought of a player that lost his pace and his game and goalscoring was gone....

Chris Armstrong :001_smile:

[Keanoldinho]

'Tis a good question. But surely that only goes to strengthen the argument he won't lose his goalscoring tag - name a striker that relied heavily on pace but then stopped scoring once he lost it - neither of us can. Therefore Owen losing his pace isn't necessarily the end of the road.

Besides, people are saying he's lost his pace and yet in a relegated team he outscored our 15million striker and wasn't far off the 16, 20, and 12million men. Doesn't that say alot? Doesn't it? I think it does. And except for the Russian one he played less than all of ours.

Louis Saha is a player most would say that his career has already ended. Try telling that to David Moyes.


Hence the problem with Michael Owen. He'll be out for ages, he can't be relied on week in week out and for the wages he'll be looking on a free transfer it won't be worth it. I'd keep all our current strikers over Owen because none of them are really injury prone and all of them know were the back of the net it is.

[Spur]

Hence the problem with Michael Owen. He'll be out for ages, he can't be relied on week in week out and for the wages he'll be looking on a free transfer it won't be worth it. I'd keep all our current strikers over Owen because none of them are really injury prone and all of them know were the back of the net it is.

I'll mention Louis Saha again.

The wages he'll look for will be less what our strikers are currently on. Unless you think Hull can afford to pay more than what we pay ours...? That's what will make him a cracking buy for someone.

I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIM CAN'T YOU PEOPLE READ?

Glad I got that off my chest.

[Keanoldinho]

I'll mention Louis Saha again.

The wages he'll look for will be less what our strikers are currently on. Unless you think Hull can afford to pay more than what we pay ours...? That's what will make him a cracking buy for someone.

I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIM CAN'T YOU PEOPLE READ?

Glad I got that off my chest.



yes but did you or did you not compare him to our strikers numptie?

Also Owen will want more doe than Saha and I see were you're coming from saying Owen will be a good buy but not if you're wanting him to be a starter he won't because he'll be out half the season injured. He's rarely capable of playing 3 games in a row these days. Owens would be a big gamble unless you get him on a pay as you play deal which he probably won't go for.

[Keanoldinho]

I just had to post this classic excert from the brochure

"Were it not for an unhappy spell at Real Madrid and two injury-scarred years at Newcastle, he would be spoken about in the same breath as Torres and Ronaldo and valued in the priceless figures that only match-winning goalscorers ever justify," the brochure reads.


sure nuff what ever you say Mikey :lol:

[choda]

Choda - who'd you rather have wearing lilywhite right now, Michael Owen or Jermain Defoe?

Defoe, but only because Owen is always injured. If Owen played forty games I'd take him every time. Pace is gone but he's still top class, just not nearly world class anymore. Defoe isn't top class, he's a very good goalscorer but he's brainless and selfish as feck.

Owen will still do good work in dragging defenders and will be cooler in good situations to the benefit of the team.

[choda]

I just had to post this classic excert from the brochure

"Were it not for an unhappy spell at Real Madrid and two injury-scarred years at Newcastle, he would be spoken about in the same breath as Torres and Ronaldo and valued in the priceless figures that only match-winning goalscorers ever justify," the brochure reads.


sure nuff what ever you say Mikey :lol:

Now that was the worst line in the whole thing. Jesus Christ, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

[Spur]

yes but did you or did you not compare him to our strikers numptie?

Also Owen will want more doe than Saha and I see were you're coming from saying Owen will be a good buy but not if you're wanting him to be a starter he won't because he'll be out half the season injured. He's rarely capable of playing 3 games in a row these days. Owens would be a big gamble unless you get him on a pay as you play deal which he probably won't go for.

Only missed out in ten games this year.

I've got one for you then. Santa Cruz for 18mil or Owen for free?

I reckon the dough Owen will want and what Saha get will be very similar.

[Keanoldinho]

Only missed out in ten games this year.

I've got one for you then. Santa Cruz for 18mil or Owen for free?

I reckon the dough Owen will want and what Saha get will be very similar.


After looking at his numbers over the past 2 seasons he has played over 30 games in all competitions in both of them so Owen on a free all of a sudden doesn't look like a bad bit of business.

RSC at 18 mil is a piss take so that's not on at all

I think I'm going to pull a full 180 and admit Owen could be a very shrewd buy for the right team. It will be interesting to see were he ends up and if he can rediscover some good scoring form.

That excert from his brochure is still total BS though Owen at his best still couldn't touch Torres or Ronaldo.

[Spur]

After looking at his numbers over the past 2 seasons he has played over 30 games in all competitions in both of them so Owen on a free all of a sudden doesn't look like a bad bit of business.

RSC at 18 mil is a piss take so that's not on at all

I think I'm going to pull a full 180 and admit Owen could be a very shrewd buy for the right team. It will be interesting to see were he ends up and if he can rediscover some good scoring form.

That excert from his brochure is still total BS though Owen at his best still couldn't touch Torres or Ronaldo.

WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

How many more of you are willing to admit you jumped on the wrong bandwagon? Feel free to let me know won't you.

The brochure is PR. He may have had a say in it but it's his management company that put it together and sent it out. Is it really any different from an agent ringing up a manager and saying "have you had a chance to look at the DVD I sent ya yet buddy?"

And I am comparing them to our overrated, overpaid, and overpaid Spurs strikers to show that, actually, Owen on a FREE TRANSFER - AS IN NO TRANSFER FEE - will be a cracking buy for whoever gets him.

Let me put this another way to show how good a deal this will be for someone.

Bent for 16.5mil or Owen for free?

Keane for 20mil or Owen for free?

Defoe for 12mil or Owen for free?

Pavlyuchenko for 15mil or Owen for free?

If Spurs sold all four current strikers, and with that money brought in two top class strikers to take their place. Would you be upset with bringing in Owen as third choice?

Nah, didn't think so either.

[TURKISH]

Owen a free transfer? 100k a week doesn't sound free to me.

[choda]

WE HAVE A WINNER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

How many more of you are willing to admit you jumped on the wrong bandwagon? Feel free to let me know won't you.

The brochure is PR. He may have had a say in it but it's his management company that put it together and sent it out. Is it really any different from an agent ringing up a manager and saying "have you had a chance to look at the DVD I sent ya yet buddy?"

And I am comparing them to our overrated, overpaid, and overpaid Spurs strikers to show that, actually, Owen on a FREE TRANSFER - AS IN NO TRANSFER FEE - will be a cracking buy for whoever gets him.

Let me put this another way to show how good a deal this will be for someone.

Bent for 16.5mil or Owen for free?

Keane for 20mil or Owen for free?

Defoe for 12mil or Owen for free?

Pavlyuchenko for 15mil or Owen for free?

If Spurs sold all four current strikers, and with that money brought in two top class strikers to take their place. Would you be upset with bringing in Owen as third choice?

Nah, didn't think so either.

But why are you do insistent on saying Keane isn't top class when he always has been aside from that last year when he was royally messed about and nothing went right?

Why such a knee jerk? He's going to be back on form soon, he's scored six in seven games for Ireland. He'll get his club form back when he gets this nightmare year behind him.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better player for spurs on the market. Get Lavezzi and Ruud and it's fine but is that going to happen? Can't see it.

Just like Michael Owen will be a good piece of business for who ever gets him, Keane will be a quality player next few years for who ever has him. So long as he isn't messed about the way Rafa did with him, and that goes for Owen and any other player too.

And as I say why would you sell Defoe and bring in Owen?

You are probably making the point of selling all the players and getting him on a free is good business. Well, is it?

Give me a choice and I'd take Defoe due to Owen's constant injury problems. No, I don't believe his brochure until I see the proof with a 40 game season.

That makes the SQUAD stronger, having Defoe over Owen. You said it yourself.

And Owen's wages are ridiculous, hardly a free, but cheaper alright overall.

My main interest is squad strength and as Levy is well aware of that is the best business long terms as the assets and income generation goes up a lot with team progress.

That's why he ploughs money in using the installments plan for buying and full payments in selling should it happen. He drives a hard bargain and work on the premise that they can identify many targets and work their butts off in trying to secure deals.

[TURKISH]

I'm happy with having defoe/keane and then another top player for them to play with. We need options and we can keep them all happy.

[Spur]

Owen a free transfer? 100k a week doesn't sound free to me.

Nowhere near 100k. He'll be on less than our 4 guaranteed.

[Spur]

But why are you do insistent on saying Keane isn't top class when he always has been aside from that last year when he was royally messed about and nothing went right?

Why such a knee jerk? He's going to be back on form soon, he's scored six in seven games for Ireland. He'll get his club form back when he gets this nightmare year behind him.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better player for spurs on the market. Get Lavezzi and Ruud and it's fine but is that going to happen? Can't see it.

Just like Michael Owen will be a good piece of business for who ever gets him, Keane will be a quality player next few years for who ever has him. So long as he isn't messed about the way Rafa did with him, and that goes for Owen and any other player too.

And as I say why would you sell Defoe and bring in Owen?

You are probably making the point of selling all the players and getting him on a free is good business. Well, is it?

Give me a choice and I'd take Defoe due to Owen's constant injury problems. No, I don't believe his brochure until I see the proof with a 40 game season.

That makes the SQUAD stronger, having Defoe over Owen. You said it yourself.

And Owen's wages are ridiculous, hardly a free, but cheaper alright overall.

My main interest is squad strength and as Levy is well aware of that is the best business long terms as the assets and income generation goes up a lot with team progress.

That's why he ploughs money in using the installments plan for buying and full payments in selling should it happen. He drives a hard bargain and work on the premise that they can identify many targets and work their butts off in trying to secure deals.
For a writer you're really having trouble reading.

Suggest you re-read my many posts on the topic.

Including the line - I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIM CAN'T YOU PEOPLE READ?

The Keane love-in has to stop at some stage. I mean, it wasn't long ago he was kicking lucozade bottles at St. Andrews.

Again - You seriously believe Hull can afford to pay him 100k a week? We can't even do that, he'll be on no more than 50k - less than all four of ours.

Let's say we sell Keane or Defoe - you really telling me you'd say no to Owen?

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE - I AM NOT SUGGESTING WE SELL DEFOE OR KEANE FOR OWEN.

And you rate Owen above Defoe, but would rather a 40 game Defoe than a 30 game Owen - something ain't right there.

My posts are purely about comparing Michael Owen on a free transfer to our 57million gang of four. Who he plays nearly as much as. And scores nearly as much as. All in a team now in the Championship.

[gomessi]

Nowhere near 100k. He'll be on less than our 4 guaranteed.

is keane top earner at £60,000 a week. Anyway not sure how anyone could know for certain what owen would demand.

He needs to play football so he could be forced to accept a lower deal.

[TURKISH]

Nowhere near 100k. He'll be on less than our 4 guaranteed.

Only if he agree's and the if your paying him 60k a week is it worth it when he hardly plays? How much money did he cost newcastle? No top clubs have shown an intrest for the sheer fact that he is injury prone and will not play for less than 80k a week.

I question owens desire to once again succeed, he seems more intrested in breeding horses.

[choda]

For a writer you're really having trouble reading.

Suggest you re-read my many posts on the topic.

Including the line - I NEVER SAID I WANTED HIM CAN'T YOU PEOPLE READ?

The Keane love-in has to stop at some stage. I mean, it wasn't long ago he was kicking lucozade bottles at St. Andrews.

Again - You seriously believe Hull can afford to pay him 100k a week? We can't even do that, he'll be on no more than 50k - less than all four of ours.

Let's say we sell Keane or Defoe - you really telling me you'd say no to Owen?

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE - I AM NOT SUGGESTING WE SELL DEFOE OR KEANE FOR OWEN.

And you rate Owen above Defoe, but would rather a 40 game Defoe than a 30 game Owen - something ain't right there.

My posts are purely about comparing Michael Owen on a free transfer to our 57million gang of four. Who he plays nearly as much as. And scores nearly as much as. All in a team now in the Championship.

If Owen passed a rigorous medical then I'd take him over Defoe, but it would have to be very strict. There's a chance you won't get more than 20 games out of Owen and it's all stop start with him these days.

He has much to prove for fitness.

And you're posts on this thread are highly confusing. I know what you are saying, then I don't know what you are saying.

Okay, so you are clarifying that you are just comparing and you don't actually want to sign him. I knew the proposition in the previous thread was hypothetical, but you still wanted to see the response you wouldn't have said it, no?

What I will say about comparisons is that on a free he is good business, IF you can keep him fit, but that is a BIG question.

And as regards when he's fit he is not better than Keane these days because his extra thing was his pace. Both still have great movement but Keane links the play as well as scores as many, so there you go, simple.

It's not a Keane love in, you just seem to think that one bad year (and there are many reasons for it) and he's not top class anymore, which is rubbish.

If you rated players on that basis you'd be out of job pretty quickly. It's acting like the know nothing media.

And that goes for any player. I told the people who wanted to sell Lennon last year the same thing but just because he's not Irish I dont' get all this crap sent in my direction. Same goes for Modric earlier in the year when I said he was world class and we needed to build the team around him. Many said I was off my rocker.

I don't understand knee jerking, it doesn't get anyone anywhere.

[gomessi]

If Owen passed a rigorous medical then I'd take him over Defoe, but it would have to be very strict. There's a chance you won't get more than 20 games out of Owen and it's all stop start with him these days.

He has much to prove for fitness.

And you're posts on this thread are highly confusing. I know what you are saying, then I don't know what you are saying.

Okay, so you are clarifying that you are just comparing and you don't actually want to sign him. I knew the proposition in the previous thread was hypothetical, but you still wanted to see the response you wouldn't have said it, no?

What I will say about comparisons is that on a free he is good business, IF you can keep him fit, but that is a BIG question.

And as regards when he's fit he is not better than Keane these days because his extra thing was his pace. Both still have great movement but Keane links the play as well as scores as many, so there you go, simple.

It's not a Keane love in, you just seem to think that one bad year (and there are many reasons for it) and he's not top class anymore, which is rubbish.

If you rated players on that basis you'd be out of job pretty quickly. It's acting like the know nothing media.

And that goes for any player. I told the people who wanted to sell Lennon last year the same thing but just because he's not Irish I dont' get all this crap sent in my direction. Same goes for Modric earlier in the year when I said he was world class and we needed to build the team around him. Many said I was off my rocker.

I don't understand knee jerking, it doesn't get anyone anywhere.

good post but would just like to say I did say I wanted bentley to be bought in as competition so lennon would be on the bench. Not sure there were many that wanted him sold. Think I might have said I wanted lennon sold but only if we recieved a crazy bid like £20m :blushing:

[gomessi]

Only if he agree's and the if your paying him 60k a week is it worth it when he hardly plays? How much money did he cost newcastle? No top clubs have shown an intrest for the sheer fact that he is injury prone and will not play for less than 80k a week.

I question owens desire to once again succeed, he seems more intrested in breeding horses.

£17m transfer fee + £23 in wages = £40m

75 appearance and 30 goals so basically £1,300,000 per goal.

Bents a bargain:001_rolleyes:

[Spur]

And you're posts on this thread are highly confusing. I know what you are saying, then I don't know what you are saying.

Okay, so you are clarifying that you are just comparing and you don't actually want to sign him. I knew the proposition in the previous thread was hypothetical, but you still wanted to see the response you wouldn't have said it, no?
Others seem to able to grasp my posts quite easily, and I've clarified on more than one occasion, hence my reference to my previous post...

As for the last line; now I'm confused.
It's not a Keane love in, you just seem to think that one bad year (and there are many reasons for it) and he's not top class anymore, which is rubbish.
I've never said that anywhere. That's an assumption you've chosen to make. I'll clarify it for you if you wanted to a make a thread on our strikers.

The Keane love-in refers to the constant comparison of anything remotely football to the Irish Wonder. Even non-football, like you did in that Gardening thread we had going.

[choda]

good post but would just like to say I did say I wanted bentley to be bought in as competition so lennon would be on the bench. Not sure there were many that wanted him sold. Think I might have said I wanted lennon sold but only if we recieved a crazy bid like £20m :blushing:

And one thing that has really impressed me about Harry is soon as he came in regardless of form straight away he was realising how good Lennon was and can become, that the team has to be built around Modric and then he brought back Keane too. He just knows how to build a team and isn't going to be swayed by temporary situations dips in form. He just knows what he is doing.

And he did his homework on Gomes and realised he probably just needed some time and some extra help with coaching from a coach that really knows this league.

There's another top class player that loads jumped on as well in one big mad knee jerk. They couldn't wait to get rid of him. Silly, very silly.

[Spur]

And one thing that has really impressed me about Harry is soon as he came in regardless of form straight away he was realising how good Lennon was and can become, that the team has to be built around Modric and then he brought back Keane too. He just knows how to build a team and isn't going to be swayed by temporary situations dips in form. He just knows what he is doing.

There was alot of criticism against Harry because he used to bring players in and then dump them straight away. He felt he could see a player once and then decide whether he was good or not, completely dis-regarding any future performances etc.

It was one of his ex-coaches that said that about him, can't remember who though.

[choda]

Others seem to able to grasp my posts quite easily, and I've clarified on more than one occasion, hence my reference to my previous post...

As for the last line; now I'm confused.

I've never said that anywhere. That's an assumption you've chosen to make. I'll clarify it for you if you wanted to a make a thread on our strikers.

The Keane love-in refers to the constant comparison of anything remotely football to the Irish Wonder. Even non-football, like you did in that Gardening thread we had going.

Bollocks. I've a lot of admiration of him, I've a lot of admiration for many players.

I had a major love in with King for a while, no one seems to notice that. Now that was real gay love. :001_wub: :scared:

[TURKISH]

Bollocks. I've a lot of admiration of him, I've a lot of admiration for many players.

I had a major love in with King for a while, no one seems to notice that. Now that was real gay love. :001_wub: :scared:

I remember something about wanting to rub bonjella on kings knee.

[choda]

There was alot of criticism against Harry because he used to bring players in and then dump them straight away. He felt he could see a player once and then decide whether he was good or not, completely dis-regarding any future performances etc.

It was one of his ex-coaches that said that about him, can't remember who though.

I'd be a bit like that as well.

I think that is leading with your nose, which is what you would have to do imo. I doubt he brought anyone major in and did that. Extra homework would be done on certain players I'd imagine.

I could have bought Jenas thinking he is aght, then take a look at him over the next few days close up and think, 'no this guy hasn't got it'.

Actually no, I'd have probably looked at him closely for the barcodes. But it might be different with cheapo quick deals.

[choda]

I remember something about wanting to rub bonjella on kings knee.

LOL, bonjella.

[AllRise]

£17m transfer fee + £23 in wages = £40m

75 appearance and 30 goals so basically £1,300,000 per goal.

Bents a bargain:001_rolleyes:

:o bet he was laughing all the way to the bank. Nice work if you can get it.

[choda]

:o bet he was laughing all the way to the bank. Nice work if you can get it.

Imagine getting paid that much to get medical treatment. :001_rolleyes:

[Gino Ginelli]

Can't remember where I read it, but apparently this is common practice for the agents of players who are out of contract to send a "dossier" around selected clubs. I think because it's Owen, and the questions around the future of his career( given that he was one of the best strikers in Europe at one stage) it's been highlighted and made a point of much amusement. But I think it's just normal.

For the record though, I think Owen's past it now at the top level. A year in the championship might be the best thing for him if he really wants to get playing regular again. The thing is he just has that uncanny instinct to just "score" regardless of how shit he's playing. He's just a sniffer.

The fact that Dave Whelan said "bovverd?" says alot...