keane going?

[nuttyhotspurs]

sunderland and "niall quinn" sniffing around keano for 15m :thumbdown:

its in the mirror so only paper talk but sometimes they get it right

[Mattyboii]

sunderland and "niall quinn" sniffing around keano for 15m :thumbdown:

its in the mirror so only paper talk but sometimes they get it right

Its not true, yeah We know Keanes Not happy at the mo thats been said to be over exaggerated etc. He wont be going. Not this season.

[nuttyhotspurs]

why is he not happy? is he still gutted his "boyhood" club fecked him off

[Chewy]

I could, unfortunately, see it happening. Harry wants a big man to play up front hence are constant links with RSC, Jones and Carew. We all know how he loves defoe and probably promised him that he would always be first choice when we resigned him.

So he either sells or drops Keano. Keane, to me, is undroppable. He's our tevez, somebody who will work for 90mins. He is not an impact player, like defoe, he needs time to read out games and defenders. I'd much rather have him play up with a big man than defoe, especially away from home where defoes record is quite poor.

Or can Keane and Defoe work?

[Spur]

Shall I delete this thread before Choda see's it?

If Keane went to Sunderland...does anyone live close to Choda?

[Rojoknapp]

Apart from anything else, Keane is too good for Sunderland. If he did leave us he could do a lot better than them.

[earl warwick]

Shall I delete this thread before Choda see's it?

If Keane went to Sunderland...does anyone live close to Choda?

Anyone with half a brain knows it should be deleted. :001_smile:

[Spur]

Apart from anything else, Keane is too good for Sunderland. If he did leave us he could do a lot better than them.

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/jmiles/2006/02/11/fifty_pound_note1.jpg

[gomessi]

sunderland and "niall quinn" sniffing around keano for 15m :thumbdown:

its in the mirror so only paper talk but sometimes they get it right
:lol:
Pay no attention to it. He might stay or he might go but the mirror hasnt got any inside info.

[Shuggie13]

Is it any suprise he is not happy? He moved to a CL, title challenging team and got sold back to us within 5 months. That would shatter anyone's confidence.

[TURKISH]

Is it any suprise he is not happy? He moved to a CL, title challenging team and got sold back to us within 5 months. That would shatter anyone's confidence.

And get burgled.

[Keanoldinho]

And get burgled.



:lol: LMFAO I'd forgot about that

[Shuggie13]

And get burgled.

LOL, I forgot about that too.

[Shelfside]

And get burgled.

Keano had hardly unpacked his suitcases when they struck.Christ,I bet Cash Converters is the busiest shop in Liverpool,all full of tv's and dvd's with the brickwork still attached to the plug where it was wrenched from the wall.
Or is that just a lazy stereotype?.:001_rolleyes:

[mjbmedia]

re getting burgled anyone see Michael Macintyre on Sat night TV? A scouse comedian came on and ripped the piss out of the people burgling Garrard etc well funny

[AllRise]

re getting burgled anyone see Michael Macintyre on Sat night TV? A scouse comedian came on and ripped the piss out of the people burgling Garrard etc well funny

:001_rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

:lol: LMFAO I'd forgot about that

LOL, I forgot about that too.

I'm here all week.:001_rolleyes:

[AllRise]

Sunderland love their Irish players don't they, this is just an easy story to create.

[Spur]

I'm here all week.:001_rolleyes:

Don't we know it :mellow: :glare:

[TURKISH]

Don't we know it :mellow: :glare:

Brilliant.

[Spur]

Brilliant.

That's mine :cursing:

[TURKISH]

That's mine :cursing:

Great.








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[Gino Ginelli]

We're going to be in the same boat again next season aren't we? Loads of first teamers leaving, new crop of players in, takes time for them to gel, yada yada, lose first 6 games, manager sacked, new coach wants to change the squad, the cycle begins again ad infinitum....

Or is that me being cynical?

[Spur]

We're going to be in the same boat again next season aren't we? Loads of first teamers leaving, new crop of players in, takes time for them to gel, yada yada, lose first 6 games, manager sacked, new coach wants to change the squad, the cycle begins again ad infinitum....

Or is that me being cynical?

As opposed to what? Buying in someone who turns out to be great and we ship them out the season after to our parent club? It's one or the other. There is no inbetween. We have our place in the pecking order, a bit of excitement with a relegation battle or a cup run every now and then. Big woop.

Everton are the same bar the managerial sackings and vastly over-inflated transfer fees.

City, there's a team like us. Obviously not right now because they've several billion more quid, but they have their aspirations and always have.

West Ham to a lesser extent, except the year they got the Argies.

Newcastle, they're worse than us, more money on fees and wages make them a laughing stock even we can laugh at.

[TURKISH]

We're going to be in the same boat again next season aren't we? Loads of first teamers leaving, new crop of players in, takes time for them to gel, yada yada, lose first 6 games, manager sacked, new coach wants to change the squad, the cycle begins again ad infinitum....

Or is that me being cynical?

LMAO.:lol: :lol:

[gomessi]

As opposed to what? Buying in someone who turns out to be great and we ship them out the season after to our parent club? It's one or the other. There is no inbetween. We have our place in the pecking order, a bit of excitement with a relegation battle or a cup run every now and then. Big woop.

Everton are the same bar the managerial sackings and vastly over-inflated transfer fees.

City, there's a team like us. Obviously not right now because they've several billion more quid, but they have their aspirations and always have.

West Ham to a lesser extent, except the year they got the Argies.

Newcastle, they're worse than us, more money on fees and wages make them a laughing stock even we can laugh at.

It sounds like all the hope has been extinguished and you've resigned yourself to never seeing a spurs side achieve something.

[choda]

Well, I'll just say the same thing as I said up to January last year. Defoe, Pav and Bent are useless in general play, to one extent or another, and you need a clever guy with awareness and good touches in the team to play with one of them.

If it's not going to be Keane you bloody well better get another one or else part of the ingredients for a top side simply aren't there. If the ball doesn't stick and you aren't dragging defenders out of position with clever movements and good touches then your attacking play is far less potent, classy and furthermore it is hard to hold quality possession which means you lose the ball and territory too easily which also leads to conceding goals.

Keane did not play well after his first four games back at spurs, however to those who understand this point even having a poor Keane was still far better than a decent Defoe, Pav or Bent in terms of playing well and getting top level points because you simply can't have more than one guy that does f*ck all bar finish.

He's still the best striker we have, the most important one too as he is the only one that can do more than score goals, so he would have to be replaced.

I hope he stays because it would be hard to get someone as good and he's bound to come back to form. It was just a disaster year for him, once it is behind him he will be fine. It's not like his legs are gone.

Having said all of that if you get someone as good or better then it is fine. But you will need two of those not to miss Keane's quality as otherwise he'd be playing with the guy you buy!

[Spur]

It sounds like all the hope has been extinguished and you've resigned yourself to never seeing a spurs side achieve something.

This is true.

[Yido]

Well, I'll just say the same thing as I said up to January last year. Defoe, Pav and Bent are useless in general play, to one extent or another, and you need a clever guy with awareness and good touches in the team to play with one of them.

If it's not going to be Keane you bloody well better get another one or else part of the ingredients for a top side simply aren't there. If the ball doesn't stick and you aren't dragging defenders out of position with clever movements and good touches then your attacking play is far less potent, classy and furthermore it is hard to hold quality possession which means you lose the ball and territory too easily which also leads to conceding goals.

Keane did not play well after his first four games back at spurs, however to those who understand this point even having a poor Keane was still far better than a decent Defoe, Pav or Bent in terms of playing well and getting top level points because you simply can't have more than one guy that does f*ck all bar finish.

He's still the best striker we have, the most important one too as he is the only one that can do more than score goals, so he would have to be replaced.

I hope he stays because it would be hard to get someone as good and he's bound to come back to form. It was just a disaster year for him, once it is behind him he will be fine. It's not like his legs are gone.

Having said all of that if you get someone as good or better then it is fine. But you will need two of those not to miss Keane's quality as otherwise he'd be playing with the guy you buy!

defoe is a better player. Just look at keane without berbatov. Under harry defoe scores tonnes of goals and they win you games not build up play.

[Baleinho]

defoe is a better player. Just look at keane without berbatov. Under harry defoe scores tonnes of goals and they win you games not build up play.

Be prepared for backlash.

[Rojoknapp]

Be prepared for backlash.

:sad: Pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase not another Keane vs Defoe debate... :crying:

[Yido]

Be prepared for backlash.

from who choda, turkish, spur, gm ?? Is choda a big fan?
What have I done!

[Rojoknapp]

Choda will come for you Yido. You'll never see him coming... but he will :sleep:

[Yido]

Choda will come for you Yido. You'll never see him coming... but he will :sleep:

how can he rate a player thats been really poor for an entire season! I'm not talking about 5-10 games its been far to long for it to be a blip.

Wheras if you look at defoe he was lethal at the start of the season comes to spurs and scores like he's never been away.

[Keanoldinho]

from who choda, turkish, spur, gm ?? Is choda a big fan?
What have I done!


choda's going to write a 20 paragraph article on why you're wrong

it will be so long you don't feel like reading it or replying

My name on here would make you think I like Keano better but I actually rate him and Defoe at a similar level they're different players though Defoe's a more lethal finisher were as Keano is more of a team player and creator. In theory they should beable to form a good partnership if they get a solid base to support them. Both good EPL strikers.

[Gino Ginelli]

from who choda, turkish, spur, gm ?? Is choda a big fan?What have I done!

You write this as though you already know it... :sneaky2:

[choda]

defoe is a better player. Just look at keane without berbatov. Under harry defoe scores tonnes of goals and they win you games not build up play.

It's not about an individuals goals per se, that's only part of it. Otherwise we should keep Bent as he WILL score more than Keane or Defoe.

He will, check the records, the goals per minutes. Bent will win and he'd win next year too. It's not about individual goals that's only 50% for a striker. It's about the contribution to TEAM goals for and against.

And quality possession impacts A LOT on those things in case you don't realise.

Anyway, just look at their goal records at spurs, when both were first choice for the same amount of time (in relative terms). The only totally dead eye dick comparison we've ever had. By the way it was pre-Berba, and Keane scored more.

It was approximately 1 in 2.4 games for Keane to 1 in 2.6 games for Defoe and in the prem it was 1 in 2.5 for Keane and 1 in 3 for Defoe.

Keane SCORED more. And there is no debate which one is way better in general play. No contest in comparing the two imo.

And one is an international striker of very high repute, one isn't. Hasn't got the football brain to do that right now.

No one would like to see Defoe become what he threatened as a kid than me, but he isn't better than Robbie Keane now, never has been and imo it's thinking like that will hurt spurs and make sure we won't have a chance to displace Arsenal.

Forget about form, form is temporary class is permanent and once Keane puts the disaster year behind him where he was messed about, nothing went right for him or to plan then he will be back to his best.

This is a very important point for spurs next year: If Keane leaves you sure as hell need to get a real top quality player in to replace him or the possesion will break down up top and you can forget about any lofty ambitions what so ever.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'm actually a little dissapointed. That's quite a tame response in comparison to everyone's expectiation :wink:

And I disagree. Scoring goals is 100% about a strikers job. Whether individual or set up for him. It makes no differencem, as long as he scores. This is where the Defoe v Keane argument falls down, as Defoe is a striker and Keane is an all round centre forward. Two different players, both needed.

And yes Bent would score more, which is why I'm not clamouring for his sale. Target man, play him in, goal. Easy.

[choda]

I'm actually a little dissapointed. That's quite a tame response in comparison to everyone's expectiation :wink:

And I disagree. Scoring goals is 100% about a strikers job. Whether individual or set up for him. It makes no differencem, as long as he scores. This is where the Defoe v Keane argument falls down, as Defoe is a striker and Keane is an all round centre forward. Two different players, both needed.

And yes Bent would score more, which is why I'm not clamouring for his sale. Target man, play him in, goal. Easy.

That's what I'm saying to an extent, but fact is Keane gets as many goals and you only have to do the comparisons and look at his international record to realise that. If it's an either or then there is no contest really.

One is of a higher quality. Form temporary...

And even for a target man it's not all about goals. That's why you've few good managers out there, they all bar a few think this way about football.

And cm's don't have to be able to link the play is another common myth.

I guess this is the reason so many think Defoe is as good as Keane. So far, not a notion, not even a geniune debate.

It's like saying Bent is as good as RVN or Keane is as good as Arshavin. Different leagues.

Keane is just outside the world class category, has been for years when you look at his record and all round play. RVN is a world class striker, Bent isn't even a top player, Defoe is better but he isn't either.

Arshavin isn't just world class, he's one of the best players in the world. He's got Keane's brain, touch, awareness AND lethal pace and a strong shot.

Now that's really frightening and we were MAD not to splash out what ever the Russians wanted.

[earl warwick]

That's what I'm saying to an extent, but fact is Keane gets as many goals and you only have to do the comparisons and look at his international record to realise that. If it's an either or then there is no contest really.

One is of a higher quality. Form temporary...

And even for a target man it's not all about goals. That's why you've few good managers out there, they all bar a few think this way about football.

And cm's don't have to be able to link the play is another common myth.

I guess this is the reason so many think Defoe is as good as Keane. So far, not a notion, not even a geniune debate.

It's like saying Bent is as good as RVN or Keane is as good as Arshavin. Different leagues.

Keane is just outside the world class category, has been for years when you look at his record and all round play. RVN is a world class striker, Bent isn't even a top player, Defoe is better but he isn't either.

Arshavin isn't just world class, he's one of the best players in the world. He's got Keane's brain, touch, awareness AND lethal pace and a strong shot.

Now that's really frightening and we were MAD not to splash out what ever the Russians wanted.

Ahhh, that's why Keane's been shit, Arshavin's taken his brain and everything else! :biggrin:

Keane's miles outside world class, always has been, always will be. He's just very good, or was.

[Gino Ginelli]

Keane is proven at International level, no question. He's proven at a World Cup, the highest level you can get (4 goals was it?). But as far as domestic goalscoring goes, Keane and Defoe are comparable. In terms of creativity, such as accuracy of passing, reading of the game etc etc, yes Keano's miles better. But in terms of goalscoring instincts they are on a par.

And they are both firm favourites of mine as Spurs players. So I'm not going to play them off each other, and use one to detriment or extoll the other. Both good, both likeable, both essential for me.

Cheers

[olly27]

Keane is proven at International level, no question. He's proven at a World Cup, the highest level you can get (4 goals was it?). But as far as domestic goalscoring goes, Keane and Defoe are comparable. In terms of creativity, such as accuracy of passing, reading of the game etc etc, yes Keano's miles better. But in terms of goalscoring instincts they are on a par.

And they are both firm favourites of mine as Spurs players. So I'm not going to play them off each other, and use one to detriment or extoll the other. Both good, both likeable, both essential for me.

Cheers

My sentiments exactly - perfectly put.

[choda]

Keane is proven at International level, no question. He's proven at a World Cup, the highest level you can get (4 goals was it?). But as far as domestic goalscoring goes, Keane and Defoe are comparable. In terms of creativity, such as accuracy of passing, reading of the game etc etc, yes Keano's miles better. But in terms of goalscoring instincts they are on a par.

And they are both firm favourites of mine as Spurs players. So I'm not going to play them off each other, and use one to detriment or extoll the other. Both good, both likeable, both essential for me.

Cheers

My point is this mate:

If Keane goes we are in big trouble unless we buy someone of that quality to replace. Say buy buy to any challenge on Arsenal.

Possession and team play will constantly break down just like it when Keane and Berba were not here anymore. Bent, Defoe and Pav are all basically finishers and the play will just break down far too often which will lead to worse team goals for and against. Particularly in so far that we will concede the ball too much and they will gain territory and momentum, which they simply wouldn't have if you have a real class forward.

If Defoe goes then you only have the problem of back up if Pav and Bent both leave as well.

Ideal situation you keep Keane and you add RVN, Huntelaar or some other class player to play target man with him and have Defoe as back up and competition. Then you are really laughing.

[earl warwick]

No one's going to lose any great sleep over Keane leaving. Well, almost.

I haven't noticed Arsenal losing any sleep at all during the several years he's been at Spurs.

[Gino Ginelli]

My point is this mate:

If Keane goes we are in big trouble unless we buy someone of that quality to replace. Say buy buy to any challenge on Arsenal.

Possession and team play will constantly break down just like it when Keane and Berba were not here anymore. Bent, Defoe and Pav are all basically finishers and the play will just break down far too often which will lead to worse team goals for and against. Particularly in so far that we will concede the ball too much and they will gain territory and momentum, which they simply wouldn't have if you have a real class forward.

If Defoe goes then you only have the problem of back up if Pav and Bent both leave as well.

Ideal situation you keep Keane and you add RVN, Huntelaar or some other class player to play target man with him and have Defoe as back up and competition. Then you are really laughing.

Er... ok. I was just subtly getting at how tiresome this all is but hey ho. We missed JD's goals just as much as Keane's link up play if you ask me. I think if Keane left again it would be far from a disaster with the players that are being linked at the moment.

Keane has been a firm favourite of mine ever since his Wolves days, but he needs to prove one hell of a lot after this season. He had a disastrous time at liverpool which knocked him for six, and while he started great linking with Modric and Lennon, he dropped off big style.

He needs to get his head together and get back to scoring again for us. If he leaves it could well spell the end for him, I think he would find it hard for him to recover and he'd wind up another Fowler.

If you asked me who I'd trust to get goals for us right now, it'd be JD and Bent ahead of him. Sorry, it grates for me to admit it, but without being rosy eyed about his past excellence, he's looking burn't out at the moment.

Thing is, Liverpool aren't exactly missing him now are they, and I think it says something that Benitez was never confident with him in the team.

[choda]

No one's going to lose any great sleep over Keane leaving. Well, almost.

I haven't noticed Arsenal losing any sleep at all during the several years he's been at Spurs.

Actually they were losing quite a lot of sleep when he, Carrick, Davids, Lennon, King and Robbo were ploughing towards the cl until a bad lasagne.

And anyone worth their salt knows Keane and Berba carried the team and many of the passengers directly behind them in recent years. They were superb, truly top class, it was just the rest of the team certainly wasn't.

[choda]

Er... ok. I was just subtly getting at how tiresome this all is but hey ho. We missed JD's goals just as much as Keane's link up play if you ask me. I think if Keane left again it would be far from a disaster with the players that are being linked at the moment.

Keane has been a firm favourite of mine ever since his Wolves days, but he needs to prove one hell of a lot after this season. He had a disastrous time at liverpool which knocked him for six, and while he started great linking with Modric and Lennon, he dropped off big style.

He needs to get his head together and get back to scoring again for us. If he leaves it could well spell the end for him, I think he would find it hard for him to recover and he'd wind up another Fowler.

If you asked me who I'd trust to get goals for us right now, it'd be JD and Bent ahead of him. Sorry, it grates for me to admit it, but without being rosy eyed about his past excellence, he's looking burn't out at the moment.

Thing is, Liverpool aren't exactly missing him now are they, and I think it says something that Benitez was never confident with him in the team.

Well I find knee jerking tiresome. It's always 'oh this guy is great' one week, 'this guy is shit the next'.

It really should take a long time before someone like Robbie Keane or Michael Owen is written off as a top player. Owen has unfortunately reached that point, but it is so far very premature imo to be getting the billing Keane is on this forum.

As has been said a raring Keane will score as many as Defoe and also link the play brilliantly. That's all I'm saying.

Did we really miss Defoe? That is my point. Bent is not as good but he bangs them in all the same.

You are right that it might not matter if Keane goes if we get lavezzi and RVN. But you get rid of Keane and be left with the other three and I guarantee you there's a big problem.

[Gino Ginelli]

Well I find knee jerking tiresome. It's always 'oh this guy is great' one week, 'this guy is shit the next'.

It really should take a long time before someone like Robbie Keane or Michael Owen is written off as a top player. Owen has unfortunately reached that point, but it is so far very premature imo to be getting the billing Keane is on this forum.

Not written off yet, but he will write himself off if he does one.

As has been said a raring Keane will score as many as Defoe and also link the play brilliantly. That's all I'm saying.

Did we really miss Defoe? That is my point. Bent is not as good but he bangs them in all the same.

Yeah, I think we did. Much more natural finisher than Bent and better on the deck too, which is how we play now. When Defoe is guaranteed his starting place he scores for fun. Could have done with that in the second half of the season after the League Cup win.

You are right that it might not matter if Keane goes if we get lavezzi and RVN. But you get rid of Keane and be left with the other three and I guarantee you there's a big problem.

Well of course because he's the creative centre forward. But only if it's the Keane of 07/08 and before, not the Keane of now. Otherwise it matters little if he stays or leaves.

[TURKISH]

Well I find knee jerking tiresome. It's always 'oh this guy is great' one week, 'this guy is shit the next'.

It really should take a long time before someone like Robbie Keane or Michael Owen is written off as a top player. Owen has unfortunately reached that point, but it is so far very premature imo to be getting the billing Keane is on this forum.

As has been said a raring Keane will score as many as Defoe and also link the play brilliantly. That's all I'm saying.

Did we really miss Defoe? That is my point. Bent is not as good but he bangs them in all the same.

You are right that it might not matter if Keane goes if we get lavezzi and RVN. But you get rid of Keane and be left with the other three and I guarantee you there's a big problem.

Defoe never got the chance with keane and berbs starting, in the first season they were paired defoe still got 18 goals.

Defoe is no keane when it comes to linking up play ect ect but if you watch him carefully he isn't just a finisher.

I personally wouldn't lose sleep over keane going if he will continue to perform like he has done. BUT you can't write this guy off after a couple of months especially what he has been through.

The guy is class and you don't lose that over night.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Can I settle this little gay fest please.

Berba made Keane look good and Keane made Berba look good. Without each other they're a pale imatation of their former selves.

[Gino Ginelli]

Can I settle this little gay fest please.

Berba made Keane look good and Keane made Berba look good. Without each other they're a pale imatation of their former selves.

Are you suggesting they made a good couple? Sounds a bit gay to me... :001_rolleyes:

[choda]

Defoe never got the chance with keane and berbs starting, in the first season they were paired defoe still got 18 goals.

Defoe is no keane when it comes to linking up play ect ect but if you watch him carefully he isn't just a finisher.

I personally wouldn't lose sleep over keane going if he will continue to perform like he has done. BUT you can't write this guy off after a couple of months especially what he has been through.

The guy is class and you don't lose that over night.

He had oceans of chance before that, which you don't remember so well. In fact he was ahead of Keane for a good spell, before Keane outclassed him.

I think Defoe has A LOT to prove. I think he looks exciting with his little bursts and his shot but there's not a whole lot more there over Bent end of the day, AT THE MOMENT.

I hope Defoe can kick on, some games near the end of the year did really turn my head I have to say.

[choda]

Can I settle this little gay fest please.

Berba made Keane look good and Keane made Berba look good. Without each other they're a pale imatation of their former selves.

I don't think that's really what it's about. Berba was fading before he went to United. I'm staggered people don't see or recognise that.

And Keane just had an absolutely terrible year because he went through a bit of a nightmare (in football terms).

These are very large factors, despite the partnership being excellent. But the reason it was excellent is because they are BOTH excellent footballers with great football brains.

The main issues are Berba's attitude, professionalism or lack of it and Keane's torrid year. I'm sure next year Berba will be just as lazy, a little slower again due to his incessent smoking and Keane will be back looking like himself again.

I just hope it is here unless we sign Lavezzi and RVN.

[earl warwick]

Indications that there may be some substance to the prospect of Keane departing:

"Rednapp is not over impressed with Keane. I would not be at all surprised if he is sold." - SO

"There's alot of backup of this info around a certain group of members of FTL, hence what Alex posted the other day. Members of the Trust backing it up too!" - SC

"I had a PM from a member who wishes to remain anonymous but has posted spot-on info in the past saying that Harry feels Keane's got himself into a brown study because of the last twelve months' events and wants him to snap out of it, but still rates him very highly." - SC

[TURKISH]

He had oceans of chance before that, which you don't remember so well. In fact he was ahead of Keane for a good spell, before Keane outclassed him.

I think Defoe has A LOT to prove. I think he looks exciting with his little bursts and his shot but there's not a whole lot more there over Bent end of the day, AT THE MOMENT.

I hope Defoe can kick on, some games near the end of the year did really turn my head I have to say.

I do remember it :001_rolleyes: so what was the point in bringing any of this up? What am I disputing in my post? Keane's goal against Villa made Jol drop defoe and since then Keane was number one choice. My point was he never got the chance when keane and berba was firing, in that time zone not the two previous seasons before that.

Defoe has kicked on since Pompey Defoe isn't all about about bursts, he can link up play and hold the ball up. Not many managers would pick bent over defoe and not many fans would either. Defoe hasn't got anything to prove, only to you.

Infact most spurs fans now wouldn't mind seeing Keane leave for sunderland in a 15m bid because of his form.

[gomessi]

Indications that there may be some substance to the prospect of Keane departing:

"Rednapp is not over impressed with Keane. I would not be at all surprised if he is sold." - SO

"There's alot of backup of this info around a certain group of members of FTL, hence what Alex posted the other day. Members of the Trust backing it up too!" - SC

"I had a PM from a member who wishes to remain anonymous but has posted spot-on info in the past saying that Harry feels Keane's got himself into a brown study because of the last twelve months' events and wants him to snap out of it, but still rates him very highly." - SC

thanks for the itk ew but would you mind answering a few q's

1. is this specific itk from the guy trustworthy
2. How has his post been recieved on SO
3. How many posts has he made on SO

I'm not a member of any other forum so would appreciate some info.

[earl warwick]

thanks for the itk ew but would you mind answering a few q's

1. is this specific itk from the guy trustworthy
2. How has his post been recieved on SO
3. How many posts has he made on SO

I'm not a member of any other forum so would appreciate some info.

His first post but he is ex-FTL where he regularly posted accurate info(it's thought that his previous identity on FTL was "Naybet"), until his source found out and he had to stop. My gut feeling from reading his post is that there is some substance to the report. The last comment from SC seems to be a reasonable summing up of how the situation is currently. Mixed reaction on SO, presumably depending on whether you're pro or anti-Keane.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I don't think that's really what it's about. Berba was fading before he went to United. I'm staggered people don't see or recognise that.

And Keane just had an absolutely terrible year because he went through a bit of a nightmare (in football terms).

These are very large factors, despite the partnership being excellent. But the reason it was excellent is because they are BOTH excellent footballers with great football brains.

The main issues are Berba's attitude, professionalism or lack of it and Keane's torrid year. I'm sure next year Berba will be just as lazy, a little slower again due to his incessent smoking and Keane will be back looking like himself again.

I just hope it is here unless we sign Lavezzi and RVN.

No the reason it worked is cos they were a genuine partnership, dovetailed very well and knew when and where each other would be on the pitch. I said last summer if Man U want Berba they'll need another £15mil to bring Keane, otherwise there's no point.

I've seen it time and time again, Teddy made every player he ever played with look better than they were (even Klinsmann) but especially players like Barmby and Armstrong.

When will player learn if they're enjoying their football and progressing, given that they are all very well paid, why move?

[gomessi]

His first post but he is ex-FTL where he regularly posted accurate info(it's thought that his previous identity on FTL was "Naybet"), until his source found out and he had to stop. My gut feeling from reading his post is that there is some substance to the report. The last comment from SC seems to be a reasonable summing up of how the situation is currently.

Sorry not in loop with all this ftl/so stuff. Is SC spurs community?

So if his source found out and had a problem with it why is he getting more itk stuff from him?

Also how come his first post is itk stuff? When you say its "thought that" that clearly implies you arent sure or it hasnt been proved.

I'm often sceptial of itk because its difficult to know who is genuine.

Looking at the above itk unless you can see why I've got no reason to take it as gospel. If anything it could just as easily be bullshit!

You dont know his history for certain
Its his first post
Presumably others are also doubting him

If anything it wouldnt suprise me if this is justa minor disagreemnet between harry and keane blown out of all proportion by itks who have an agenda.

Archibald has said its exaggerated and he's the only one I trust. there are probably other itks that are trustworthy but this guy doesnt sound like one. I trust archibald because IMO over the last season and a bit since I've been listening to all this itk stuff he seems to be the one spot often the most.

To me it looks like certain fans are a bit eager to take any anti keane itk as gospel and use it against him. At this rate their will be a crusade against keane and all from some itk which is a million miles away from being the truth.

[earl warwick]

Yeah, SC is Spurs Community.

Regarding his source, presume it's a new one, as I don't think he has been posting ITK for over 2 years. The FTL board has been down for over a week due to hosting issues, so I guess he's decided to join SO to post regularly. FTL does seem to have a core of Keane haters, so it may be a question of interpretation on what he has been told with regard as to how he reports it.

I treat ITK as I do get-rich-quick schemes on the internet. If it sounds too good to be true, or ridiculous, it probably is.

[choda]

I thought this was a particularly good reply on the HH blog with regard to Keane:

I find it unlikely HR will sell. Not that I doubt your source HH. Still if he were to go we could replace him with better MAYBE. Nothing proven for what we would get for selling him to sunderland. It would be a bit of a gamble. Yes he's been a bit shite since he came back, but he won't be shite forever.

If they sell him they will look like clueless mugs. And HR doesn't like looking a cock in public. He leaves that up to his boy.