Couple things.

[Spur]

Dunne and Steven Taylor on their way.

Keane off out.

Berba back for 22mil.

Campbell's gone home.

Boateng's coming home.

Srna linked by Charlie.



All rumour and speculation. Debate to your hearts content children :001_rolleyes:

[choda]

Why would we sign two centre backs when we have four good ones.

Keane out, why?

Berba back 22 million, do we want him? His attitude is appalling, remember?

[Shuggie13]

Here's the best one from Spurs Community this morning, silly season has started.

Who Ari Gold
Date 03 June 2009
Time 16:50
Site SO



Quote:
Very worrying talk from good sources that Harry is hoping to sell a lot of the squad this summer. From what I hear, only Woodgate, Lennon and RK and JD are definite to be at WHL next summer (presumably Palacios too).
Don't shoot the messenger on this one because I don't want another summer of 'rebuilding' but the talk is that Harry will listen to offers for basically the entire squad.

I like the guy, but he could undo all of his good work to this point if he goes wheeler-dealer crazy.

Anyway, that's the latest I am hearing.

Ari

[Shuggie13]

Spur haven't you made a sticky for all of this? Whenever I go in it says it is 'closed'.

[Spur]

Why would we sign two centre backs when we have four good ones.

Keane out, why?

Berba back 22 million, do we want him? His attitude is appalling, remember?
Not necessarily both! 4 good ones? I count 3 and a top class right back!

RK meant to be unhappy.

Do we wnat Berba?! Would we want Kaka? I'd say yes please. 22mil? Give 'em £40mil.
Spur haven't you made a sticky for all of this? Whenever I go in it says it is 'closed'.
It's in the sticky if it's a quote from a decent source. The sticky is locked and a thread is made to discuss it. The stickied thread is just to refer to. One of these days it'll be pakced out. These bits here are just from some random people who have heard things. The Ari Gold one should maybe go in there, but I didn't bring it over.

I'm happy to unlock the thread if we use it only to post whatever ITK any of us find; with no comments in there. I can delete any comments anyway because I'm all powerful :sneaky2:

[Gino Ginelli]

RK meant to be unhappy

If it's true then I can understand; He must have really lost his way this season. Thought he was getting his dream move, had set his mind and had dealt with leaving us. Next thing he knows it's all gone sour and he's back with us, only it's very different to how he left us and it feels strange. Maybe he's lost a bit of faith in the game and doesn't know what to do next.

But Harry has backed him big style and made him captain. I think Harry will convince him to stay and do all he can to keep him happy.

But if he does choose to move on for personal reasons I wouldn't begrudge him his happiness. It would just be great if it was with us.


BTW, I really don't want Dunne, and Taylor will likely chop his own arm off before leave Newcastle

[Spur]

BTW, I really don't want Dunne, and Taylor will likely chop his own arm off before leave Newcastle
I'm sure. Afterall, it's not like he's had protracted contract negotiations and threatened to leave any time in the past few years.

Oh wait...

Loyalty? There's none there.

[earl warwick]

MK Spur's reply was this:

what i was told yesterday was that he was unhappy and feels he'd made the wrong move coming back. Some players had been upset that he'd walked back in as captain and now seemed undropable and had made their feelings known. Person said quote "robbie's head is all over the place at the moment". Thats what i was told along with the pav thing make of it what u will, person did say keane hadnt asked 4 a move again just that he was unhappy

Also(unrelated), Archie on SO yesterday:


Warnock is possibility but not one of the three bigger targets.

will replace Ohara if he leaves

[Spur]

Warnock's made several appearances at Centre Mid this year. Maybe being seen as a versatile alternative.

[earl warwick]

"...midfielder Didier Zokora will lead an exodus from White Hart Lane this summer.

The Ivory Coast star is likely to return to France, while Gareth Bale, David Bentley, Heurelho Gomes, Roman Pavlyuchenko, Tom Huddlestone and Darren Bent are all up for sale.

Boss Harry Redknapp might even contemplate a big offer for Croatia playmaker Luka Modric.

all true bar Modric....they arent up for sale[Gomes/Pav/Bale] but if a big bid comes in it will be considered

[Shelfside]

Berbatov back to WHL?.Yes please,attitude or not .
Getting rid of Bale would be a massive error of judgement IMO.
Steven Taylor is someone who I have seen described as 'the white Titus Bramble'.
I do have the nasty feeling that 'Del boy' Redknapp will have the wheeler and dealer time of his life this summer.:scared:

[Gino Ginelli]

I am very doubtful of the Berbatov rumor. It seems very unlikey given his hardly glorious exit from the Lane.

[Keanoldinho]

Dunne and Steven Taylor on their way.

Keane off out.

Berba back for 22mil.

Campbell's gone home.

Boateng's coming home.

Srna linked by Charlie.



All rumour and speculation. Debate to your hearts content children :001_rolleyes:


No thanks on either of the centerbacks we're good there but if we're in the market Hangeland is a man mountain

Keano aint going nowhere that's obviously kak

Berba back for 22mil I'd love to believe that but very very very not gonna happen

Campbell and Boateng nobody really cares about that

Srna fits our recent transfer policy of buying players we don't need but 'Arrys supposed to be changing that policy to buying players we do need.

[gomessi]

all of that is rubbish. Berbatov is not coming back, Srna is not signing because we have 100000 right backs, and keane will only leave if we get a good offer and I cant see anyone offering £12m+. :sleep:

[Keanoldinho]

Not necessarily both! 4 good ones? I count 3 and a top class right back!

RK meant to be unhappy.

Do we wnat Berba?! Would we want Kaka? I'd say yes please. 22mil? Give 'em £40mil.

It's in the sticky if it's a quote from a decent source. The sticky is locked and a thread is made to discuss it. The stickied thread is just to refer to. One of these days it'll be pakced out. These bits here are just from some random people who have heard things. The Ari Gold one should maybe go in there, but I didn't bring it over.

I'm happy to unlock the thread if we use it only to post whatever ITK any of us find; with no comments in there. I can delete any comments anyway because I'm all powerful :sneaky2:


yeah unlock it hitler so we can all post our findings

[highlander]

berbatov at £22million. id bite fergire'sarm off. we all know hes got an attitude problem but he is a world class striker and id love to re-sign him

[LifeTimeYido]

berbatov at £22million. id bite fergire'sarm off. we all know hes got an attitude problem but he is a world class striker and id love to re-sign him

The only way it would work for me, was him up front with Keano again. Quality partnership.

[Milney yid]

I would never ever welcome Berbatov back, even if he is quality. We argue that players are fickle, but what would that make us, with all the hate we've shown him, if we simply welcomed him back with open arms? And before anyone says anything, Keane was a different story, he left with a heavy heart to join his boyhood club, and gave 100% in every game he played for us. Berbatov sulked, stropped and generally was a **** until he got his big money move. No jokes if you offered me Berbatov now for £20mil I'd decline.

[Spur]

I would never ever welcome Berbatov back, even if he is quality. We argue that players are fickle, but what would that make us, with all the hate we've shown him, if we simply welcomed him back with open arms? And before anyone says anything, Keane was a different story, he left with a heavy heart to join his boyhood club, and gave 100% in every game he played for us. Berbatov sulked, stropped and generally was a **** until he got his big money move. No jokes if you offered me Berbatov now for £20mil I'd decline.

With all the hate you've shown him you mean? My arms have always been open.

And Keane is a different story you're right. He said he loved the Club and would never leave - then left! Traitor. We knew what Berba was like from the start; we accepted it. Keane blatantly lied!

[mjbmedia]

Dunne and Steven Taylor on their way.

Keane off out.

Berba back for 22mil.

Campbell's gone home.

Boateng's coming home.

Srna linked by Charlie.



All rumour and speculation. Debate to your hearts content children :001_rolleyes:
you said you were only gonna post decent sensible stuff, not this pathetic BS.
Anyone can come out with utter crap like this and declare themselves a COYS (or whatever ****ish place this was from) ITK cock sucking ****** :001_smile:

[Chewy]

Spur you can sit and call Keane a traitor all you want but lets say you played for Birmingham for 6years. You loved the club and the fans loved you but then your boyhood club Tottenham came in for you. You would leave wouldn't you? He tried to fulfill a life long dream of his and fortunately for us it didn't work out. He has never given anything less than 100% for this club.

But yet hes the traitor. Where as berbatov couldn't give a **** about this club and actually refused to play for us! He went on the strike at the start of the season.

**** berbatov. I'd rather play Dawson up front. Wouldn't take him back on a free. Hes being found out by the United fans on what a lazy **** he is and if I ever meet Levy I'll shake his hand on milking £32million out of United for him.

[Milney yid]

At least Keane had the balls to come back, that must have taken some guts. He never thought he was better than us, which is exactly how Berbatov feels. I doubt he'd come back even if we wanted him, he'd try to demand a move to Madrid or Milan and play there until they realize what a lazy **** he really is.

[choda]

I would never ever welcome Berbatov back, even if he is quality. We argue that players are fickle, but what would that make us, with all the hate we've shown him, if we simply welcomed him back with open arms? And before anyone says anything, Keane was a different story, he left with a heavy heart to join his boyhood club, and gave 100% in every game he played for us. Berbatov sulked, stropped and generally was a **** until he got his big money move. No jokes if you offered me Berbatov now for £20mil I'd decline.

Exactly, and the mancs hate the f*cker now as well and with good reason. His leading of the line has been appalling in its apathy. Man's just a talented loser, much better transfers out there. He can go f*ck himself.

And this is at the club he dreamt of playing for all his life. :scared: He's a cancer.

I wouldn't pay more than 10 million for that stroppy, lazy, arrogant unprofessional f*ck, because overall that's what he's really worth. We robbed them and they know it.

[Rojoknapp]

F*ck Berbatov, he's a c*nt and I wouldn't take him back if United paid us.

And how did Keane lie? People seem to think that because he went to Liverpool that means he doesn't give a shit about us. You can love a club and still leave, it's not like he used us to engineer a bigger move is it? Not unless he had a long term plan of six years when he signed :tongue_smilie:

[Spur]

Spur you can sit and call Keane a traitor all you want but lets say you played for Birmingham for 6years. You loved the club and the fans loved you but then your boyhood club Tottenham came in for you. You would leave wouldn't you? He tried to fulfill a life long dream of his and fortunately for us it didn't work out. He has never given anything less than 100% for this club.

But yet hes the traitor. Where as berbatov couldn't give a **** about this club and actually refused to play for us! He went on the strike at the start of the season.

**** berbatov. I'd rather play Dawson up front. Wouldn't take him back on a free. Hes being found out by the United fans on what a lazy **** he is and if I ever meet Levy I'll shake his hand on milking £32million out of United for him.

HE said HE was Spurs through and through, LOVED the Club, LOVED the fans, and wouldn't move.

A month later he was on strike, acting like a complete prick (this I saw with my own eyes bear in mind) and off to Liverpool.

Don't give me that. We knew what we were getting with Berba, we knew he was staying one more year hence the contract - and what a year it was. Same as with Carrick's move but everyone still loves him.

Fact is, Keane publicly lied - much the same as Campbell - and moved - much the same as Campbell - only he's not classed a traitor by some - but Campbell is. Gof figure.

Little point in a reply because it'll be worthless.

Yes Berba refused to play. Terrible. But he wanted his move, and as is reported a move that was promised to him.

[Spur]

you said you were only gonna post decent sensible stuff, not this pathetic BS.
Anyone can come out with utter crap like this and declare themselves a COYS (or whatever ****ish place this was from) ITK cock sucking ****** :001_smile:

Didn't say this was ITK. This is from papers and general chit-chat. Do you see this in the little ITK thread at the top of the forum? Sorry? No was that? No. A big N with an O next to it? Means negative I think. So what is this then? Just some random shit from the Sun and the bloke down the road? Well why not discuss it then?

Cheers.

[choda]

HE said HE was Spurs through and through, LOVED the Club, LOVED the fans, and wouldn't move.

A month later he was on strike, acting like a complete prick (this I saw with my own eyes bear in mind) and off to Liverpool.

Don't give me that. We knew what we were getting with Berba, we knew he was staying one more year hence the contract - and what a year it was. Same as with Carrick's move but everyone still loves him.

Fact is, Keane publicly lied - much the same as Campbell - and moved - much the same as Campbell - only he's not classed a traitor by some - but Campbell is. Gof figure.

Little point in a reply because it'll be worthless.

Yes Berba refused to play. Terrible. But he wanted his move, and as is reported a move that was promised to him.

Carrick and Keane conducted themselves with dignity imo. Both threw a few hissy fits if what we are told is to be believed, but that was because the moves were in their interests at that stage of their careers and where spurs were at the time. I don't begrudge them in the least.

Realistically that was Keane's last chance at the title. If spurs win the title it will be a few years away and a long shot and Keane may not be the same player then. Or maybe he will be better. Someone with his brain may get better and last til 35 playing on top form. But 28 and you get to go to Liverpool from a team in 11th place and a bit of a shambles at the time. Begrudging someone that after six years service giving all he had and winning player of the year on five of those years is just silly beggars one-eyed wonderness of a Wenger variety.

I don't care what he said either, people say things at different times and it may not always exactly what you mean.

He did love spurs and did plan to finish here. I'm sure he plans to do that again as well. And it is his spiritual home as a player. It's not all black and white.

Berba on the other hand was ducking out of games for a long time, didn't even respect the fans and the club paying his wages enough to show up in half the games and then literally didn't show up in the end.

He can go f*ck himself. C*nt.

[Spur]

Carrick and Keane conducted themselves with dignity imo. Both threw a few hissy fits if what we are told is to be believed, but that was because the moves were in their interests at that stage of their careers and where spurs were at the time. I don't begrudge them in the least.

Realistically that was Keane's last chance at the title. If spurs win the title it will be a few years away and a long shot and Keane may not be the same player then. Or maybe he will be better. Someone with his brain may get better and last til 35 playing on top form. But 28 and you get to go to Liverpool from a team in 11th place and a bit of a shambles at the time. Begrudging someone that after six years service giving all he had and winning player of the year on five of those years is just silly beggars one-eyed wonderness of a Wenger variety.

I don't care what he said either, people say things at different times and it may not always exactly what you mean.

He did love spurs and did plan to finish here. I'm sure he plans to do that again as well. And it is his spiritual home as a player. It's not all black and white.

Berba on the other hand was ducking out of games for a long time, didn't even respect the fans and the club paying his wages enough to show up in half the games and then literally didn't show up in the end.

He can go f*ck himself. C*nt.

I don't begrudge him moving. I bedgrude the fact he done the same as Campbell with his mouth.

If Woodgate moves tomorrow, fairplay to him. He's never said anything that indicates he wouldn't move or whatever.

Keane did!

Most people say they hate Campbell because of what he said. Keane did the same and left. That's not even an argument by the way. Yet they're not even considered in the same sentence. Well I've just put him there.

Footballers have a short career and they are human. I'd leave my favourite Club as a kid for double my wages. But then I'd be honest enough to indicate nothing less than that. Not just a mercenery, like Lucas Neill for example, but not going to stay somewhere forever just because of rose-tinted glasses.

Interestingly, there's an article in one of the free London papers saying that exact same thing tonight. Maybe it's on their website.

[choda]

I don't begrudge him moving. I bedgrude the fact he done the same as Campbell with his mouth.

If Woodgate moves tomorrow, fairplay to him. He's never said anything that indicates he wouldn't move or whatever.

Keane did!

Most people say they hate Campbell because of what he said. Keane did the same and left. That's not even an argument by the way. Yet they're not even considered in the same sentence. Well I've just put him there.

Footballers have a short career and they are human. I'd leave my favourite Club as a kid for double my wages. But then I'd be honest enough to indicate nothing less than that. Not just a mercenery, like Lucas Neill for example, but not going to stay somewhere forever just because of rose-tinted glasses.

Interestingly, there's an article in one of the free London papers saying that exact same thing tonight. Maybe it's on their website.

Get a grip mate. He's nothing like Campbell. He lied about staying to whittle his contract down, then left on free for Arsenal. Shafting the club and the fans in numerous ways. That's why he is hated. Preposterous to compare the two.

You are truly biased against Keane and love giving him a hard time.

[Shelfside]

Carrick and Keane conducted themselves with dignity imo. Both threw a few hissy fits if what we are told is to be believed, but that was because the moves were in their interests at that stage of their careers and where spurs were at the time. I don't begrudge them in the least.

Realistically that was Keane's last chance at the title. If spurs win the title it will be a few years away and a long shot and Keane may not be the same player then. Or maybe he will be better. Someone with his brain may get better and last til 35 playing on top form. But 28 and you get to go to Liverpool from a team in 11th place and a bit of a shambles at the time. Begrudging someone that after six years service giving all he had and winning player of the year on five of those years is just silly beggars one-eyed wonderness of a Wenger variety.

I don't care what he said either, people say things at different times and it may not always exactly what you mean.

He did love spurs and did plan to finish here. I'm sure he plans to do that again as well. And it is his spiritual home as a player. It's not all black and white.

Berba on the other hand was ducking out of games for a long time, didn't even respect the fans and the club paying his wages enough to show up in half the games and then literally didn't show up in the end.

He can go f*ck himself. C*nt.

After the CC final win last season,the whole team stopped playing not just Berbatov.
If it was ok for Keane to go then it was ok for Berbatov to go as well.People seem to forget how we acquired Juande Ramos.Was that ok?.Of course it wasn't but we didn't mind because we thought that we would be getting a great manager.Many is the time that Tottenham have tapped up players and managers.And when someone does that to us,Levy has a press conference and starts blubbing "these big bullies (sniff) are trying to unsettle our players (sniff) and make them ask for a transfer (boo hoo)".
Did Berbatov bad mouth us after he got his transfer?.He may have done but I don't recall it.The fact is that we are a worse team without him.

[Spur]

Get a grip mate. He's nothing like Campbell. He lied about staying to whittle his contract down, then left on free for Arsenal. Shafting the club and the fans in numerous ways. That's why he is hated. Preposterous to compare the two.

You are truly biased against Keane and love giving him a hard time.

I ****ing love the bloke he's truly outstanding. At times.

He's my hero. Was getting his name on this years shirt as it goes.

Campbell lied to get his move. Keane lied and then just moved. Campbell is worse, especially joining our rivals. But not putting them in the same ballpark - now that is biased in Keane's way I'm afraid.

Actually saying Keane is my hero is wrong. It's Paul Robinson. See past threads on how I wanted him sold though.

Cheers for coming.

[Spur]

After the CC final win last season,the whole team stopped playing not just Berbatov.
If it was ok for Keane to go then it was ok for Berbatov to go as well.People seem to forget how we acquired Juande Ramos.Was that ok?.Of course it wasn't but we didn't mind because we thought that we would be getting a great manager.Many is the time that Tottenham have tapped up players and managers.And when someone does that to us,Levy has a press conference and starts blubbing "these big bullies (sniff) are trying to unsettle our players (sniff) and make them ask for a transfer (boo hoo)".
Did Berbatov bad mouth us after he got his transfer?.He may have done but I don't recall it.The fact is that we are a worse team without him.

Well said.

Too many see what they want to see.

Welcome to realism folks, sorry if you don't like it.

[choda]

After the CC final win last season,the whole team stopped playing not just Berbatov.
If it was ok for Keane to go then it was ok for Berbatov to go as well.People seem to forget how we acquired Juande Ramos.Was that ok?.Of course it wasn't but we didn't mind because we thought that we would be getting a great manager.Many is the time that Tottenham have tapped up players and managers.And when someone does that to us,Levy has a press conference and starts blubbing "these big bullies (sniff) are trying to unsettle our players (sniff) and make them ask for a transfer (boo hoo)".
Did Berbatov bad mouth us after he got his transfer?.He may have done but I don't recall it.The fact is that we are a worse team without him.

You don't get my point which is I would never begrudge someone leaving for football or personal reasons if they always gave their all here and we were properly compensated.

That's not true of Berbatov by a long shot. Man's a c*nt. Take away what he did at spurs and I don't think much of him at United either. Not earning his wages their either. He's a disgrace, droopy no show.

Not worth more than ten million and even paying that is based on the hope that you can change his attitude to something acceptable.

How people can defend him and stick the boot into people like Roy Keane is just completely and utterly lost on me.

[choda]

I ****ing love the bloke he's truly outstanding. At times.

He's my hero. Was getting his name on this years shirt as it goes.

Campbell lied to get his move. Keane lied and then just moved. Campbell is worse, especially joining our rivals. But not putting them in the same ballpark - now that is biased in Keane's way I'm afraid.

Actually saying Keane is my hero is wrong. It's Paul Robinson. See past threads on how I wanted him sold though.

Cheers for coming.

Cheers for coming, what does that mean? And you're wrong and anyone with an objective perspective could easily see that.

[Keanoldinho]

shit I'd take Berby and Keano back upfront in a heartbeat

guaranteed 40+ goals a season plus numerous assists

[Rojoknapp]

Keane left for 20 million to Liverpool.
Campbell left for Arsenal for free.

Keane is as similar Sol Campbell as Frazier Campbell is to Fernando Torres.

[Shelfside]

You don't get my point which is I would never begrudge someone leaving for football or personal reasons if they always gave their all here and we were properly compensated.

That's not true of Berbatov by a long shot. Man's a c*nt. Take away what he did at spurs and I don't think much of him at United either. Not earning his wages their either. He's a disgrace, droopy no show.

Not worth more than ten million and even paying that is based on the hope that you can change his attitude to something acceptable.

How people can defend him and stick the boot into people like Roy Keane is just completely and utterly lost on me.

To have signed Berbatov in the first place ,we must have sold the 'we've just finished fifth and will be playing CL football within two years' line to him.Now bearing that in mind,in 2007/08 he was playing in a team that was disappearing up it's own arse.He didn't join us to faff about in 11th place.He didn't join us to have to score four goals against Reading to dig us out of a hole created by our amateurish defending.
Maybe he thought that he was too good to play in our team.And you know what?.He was.

[Spur]

Cheers for coming, what does that mean? And you're wrong and anyone with an objective perspective could easily see that.

I've got an objective perspective - I'm a historian! I don't even have an opinion one way or the other. Just see two sides to the story and tell it how it is.

That's why levying shit about personal opinion at me means little! I've been saying Jenas been playing well lately - which he has. You've been staying course with your normal opinion. Yet we both agree on his standing in the squad. Go figure.

[Rojoknapp]

You don't get my point which is I would never begrudge someone leaving for football or personal reasons if they always gave their all here and we were properly compensated.

That's not true of Berbatov by a long shot. Man's a c*nt. Take away what he did at spurs and I don't think much of him at United either. Not earning his wages their either. He's a disgrace, droopy no show.

Not worth more than ten million and even paying that is based on the hope that you can change his attitude to something acceptable.

How people can defend him and stick the boot into people like Roy Keane is just completely and utterly lost on me.

It's because Roy Keane is a thug, bottom line. Ask Alf Inge Haaland.

[choda]

shit I'd take Berby and Keano back upfront in a heartbeat

guaranteed 40+ goals a season plus numerous assists

Well I'd take Berby instead of Pav and Bent, even though he's not good for your team work ethic and spirit, which takes a lot away from the good he does.

But I'd just prefer a class act target man, who is a purebred winner or can be turned into one. That will give you way more than dross like Pav (this year anyway), Bent (improved at the end, so maybe slightly harsh) or a c*ntbox like Berbatov.

[Spur]

shit I'd take Berby and Keano back upfront in a heartbeat

guaranteed 40+ goals a season plus numerous assists
Damn right mate, would love the two of them up front.
Keane left for 20 million to Liverpool.
Campbell left for Arsenal for free.

Keane is as similar Sol Campbell as Frazier Campbell is to Fernando Torres.
:confused1: :confused1: :confused1:

Whose comparing transfer fees? Think you might be in the wrong thread, Rojo.

[choda]

I've got an objective perspective - I'm a historian! I don't even have an opinion one way or the other. Just see two sides to the story and tell it how it is.

That's why levying shit about personal opinion at me means little! I've been saying Jenas been playing well lately - which he has. You've been staying course with your normal opinion. Yet we both agree on his standing in the squad. Go figure.

I said he's been playing well lately unless you are blind, but still not good enough.

I see the two sides to the Keane to Liverpool story. You're not seeing the players side actually. And that is clear.

[choda]

Damn right mate, would love the two of them up front.

:confused1: :confused1: :confused1:

Whose comparing transfer fees? Think you might be in the wrong thread, Rojo.

Actually compensation is quite pertinent. One of the main reasons why people felt Campbell totally shafted us.

[Rojoknapp]

Damn right mate, would love the two of them up front.

:confused1: :confused1: :confused1:

Whose comparing transfer fees? Think you might be in the wrong thread, Rojo.

I'm saying that Keane and Campbell shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread, let alone the same sentence, because Campbell left us for free, whereas at least we got money for Keane. He didn't run his contract down and bugger off did he?

[choda]

It's because Roy Keane is a thug, bottom line. Ask Alf Inge Haaland.

We're not going down that road again rojo, needless to say we just have a different view on it.

I think a man who gives his absolute all is to be treasured even if he boils over at times (when he's also in the right btw), over w*nkers who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves, like Berbatov who shows no respect to his teamates, fans or the clubs that pay his wages.

[Spur]

Actually compensation is quite pertinent. One of the main reasons why people felt Campbell totally shafted us.
Indeed. Only I'm not talking about compensation, and, unless you're blind, you can see my previous post as to how I mentioned Campbell acted to get what he wanted, rather than Keane just talking and then doing the opposite of it. Therefore lying.
I'm saying that Keane and Campbell shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread, let alone the same sentence, because Campbell left us for free, whereas at least we got money for Keane. He didn't run his contract down and bugger off did he?
No, again, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact both lied. That they both lied. The two lied. What they have in common is that they lied. If you don't know, they both lied.

Campbell about signing a new deal and never leaving. Keane just about never leaving. As it goes he signed his new deal then left :lol: Funny times.

Tell me I'm wrong. There's plenty of quotes from plenty of interviews just waiting to be posted - again.

[Rojoknapp]

We're not going down that road again rojo, needless to say we just have a different view on it.

I think a man who gives his absolute all is to be treasured even if he boils over at times (when he's also in the right btw), over w*nkers who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves, like Berbatov who shows no respect to his teamates, the fans or the clubs that pay his wages.

We can definitely agree that we hate Berbatov as much as each other, and that a player who goes on strike ffs (while still picking up his wages, f*cking c*nt) is not even comparable to a player like Keane who always gave his all for six years. Alright, so he said he was Spurs through and through. He still loves Spurs, and he still did when he left. It was a very difficult decision for him. Give the guy a break, he's been part of our turnaround since the window. Whatever you say about how he's been playing, you never change a winning team, and he's been a part of that.

[Spur]

I said he's been playing well lately unless you are blind, but still not good enough.

I see the two sides to the Keane to Liverpool story. You're not seeing the players side actually. And that is clear.

Hi,

I'm the one who just said I'd leave Spurs to join Bournemouth for double the cash.

Signed,

Spur

[Shelfside]

We're not going down that road again rojo, needless to say we just have a different view on it.

I think a man who gives his absolute all is to be treasured even if he boils over at times (when he's also in the right btw), over w*nkers who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves, like Berbatov who shows no respect to his teamates, the fans or the clubs that pay his wages.

So do you think that Harry Redknapp is a w*nker for showing no respect to the players of Portsmouth for dumping them at the first opportunity?.And indeed for shitting on the public of Portsmouth too,seeing as he had been granted him the freedom of the city?.

[Rojoknapp]

Indeed. Only I'm not talking about compensation, and, unless you're blind, you can see my previous post as to how I mentioned Campbell acted to get what he wanted, rather than Keane just talking and then doing the opposite of it. Therefore lying.

No, again, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact both lied. That they both lied. The two lied. What they have in common is that they lied. If you don't know, they both lied.

Campbell about signing a new deal and never leaving. Keane just about never leaving. As it goes he signed his new deal then left :lol: Funny times.

Tell me I'm wrong. There's plenty of quotes from plenty of interviews just waiting to be posted - again.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But the lying is not why we hate Campbell with such passion, it's the fact that he left for Arsenal, and he left for free. When Robbie Keane left, we got £20 million pounds. 20 million. 20 million whole British pounds. £20 million sterling. Did you get that? 20 million.

[choda]

Indeed. Only I'm not talking about compensation, and, unless you're blind, you can see my previous post as to how I mentioned Campbell acted to get what he wanted, rather than Keane just talking and then doing the opposite of it. Therefore lying.

No, again, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact both lied. That they both lied. The two lied. What they have in common is that they lied. If you don't know, they both lied.

Campbell about signing a new deal and never leaving. Keane just about never leaving. As it goes he signed his new deal then left :lol: Funny times.

Tell me I'm wrong. There's plenty of quotes from plenty of interviews just waiting to be posted - again.

If Keane was flaky about what he said in its exactness and when nothing else was on the horizon, which is eminently forgivable, then Campbell was unscrupulous in duping the owners into not selling him earlier and refusing to sign a new deal and then leaving the club bereft of 15-20 million pounds and just to rub it in he joins Arsenal. Couldn't be more different in my eyes.

I'm sure Keane felt silly about what he said when he was leaving, but all he was really saying was 'I love spurs'. He's a romantic emotional type as well. I bet he thought every girlfriend he had was 'the one' for a while as well.

[Spur]

I'm not saying you're wrong. But the lying is not why we hate Campbell with such passion, it's the fact that he left for Arsenal, and he left for free. When Robbie Keane left, we got £20 million pounds. 20 million. 20 million whole British pounds. £20 million sterling. Did you get that? 20 million.

Ah, let me do what I did earlier...

No. No, no, no - no, no and no.

Ask any Spurs fans why we hate Campbell. Answer #1 will be: He kept lying.

#2 will be: He left on a free.

#3 will be: He joined Arsenal.

Combine all three you get the generic answer.

I hate Campbell because he said he was signing a new deal at the end of the year and never wanted to leave us.

On the other hand, our current Skipper said he never wanted to leave us and he had just signed a new deal.

Comparison is there? There is, yes.

[choda]

So do you think that Harry Redknapp is a w*nker for showing no respect to the players of Portsmouth for dumping them at the first opportunity?.And indeed for shitting on the public of Portsmouth too,seeing as he had been granted him the freedom of the city?.

No I don't. Is shitting giving your all and earning your wages and winning them things they never won before or not for half a century?

Of course not. And he left because he was given a new and bigger challenge. I'd call those people that feel he let them down petty one-eyed wonders.

[Keanoldinho]

Well I'd take Berby instead of Pav and Bent, even though he's not good for your team work ethic and spirit, which takes a lot away from the good he does.

But I'd just prefer a class act target man, who is a purebred winner or can be turned into one. That will give you way more than dross like Pav (this year anyway), Bent (improved at the end, so maybe slightly harsh) or a c*ntbox like Berbatov.


you don't think Berby, Keano and Modric would cut teams to pieces add Lennon in their too

[Spur]

If Keane was flaky about what he said in its exactness and when nothing else was on the horizon, which is eminently forgivable, then Campbell was unscrupulous in duping the owners into not selling him earlier and refusing to sign a new deal and then leaving the club bereft of 15-20 million pounds and just to rub it in he joins Arsenal. Couldn't be more different in my eyes.

I'm sure Keane felt silly about what he said when he was leaving, but all he was really saying was 'I love spurs'. He's a romantic emotional type as well. I bet he thought every girlfriend he had was 'the one' for a while as well.

More people would've respected Barry if his letter the other day had read:

Dear Villains,

I've had a cracking time here and loved your support. I know I said I wanted CL football but the money on offer at City is too good to turn down.

I love Villa, but I love my wallet.

Thanks,

Gareth

Gareth and Robbie are the same. Almost. Pretty much.

Villains see Gareth as the Devil. THE DEVIL I TELL THEE!

And as I said. Campbell was worse; Keane is in the same ballpark. Bored of having to repeat myself.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY RECEIVED! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LYING!!!

[choda]

Ah, let me do what I did earlier...

No. No, no, no - no, no and no.

Ask any Spurs fans why we hate Campbell. Answer #1 will be: He kept lying.

#2 will be: He left on a free.

#3 will be: He joined Arsenal.

Combine all three you get the generic answer.

I hate Campbell because he said he was signing a new deal at the end of the year and never wanted to leave us.

On the other hand, our current Skipper said he never wanted to leave us and he had just signed a new deal.

Comparison is there? There is, yes.

You're being too analytical, overly logical instead of appreciating the multi-faceted human nuances that make it a whole different ball game. It's a different scenario altogether. I don't really look at what people say per say, I look at actions. You have to be careful about the exact things people say at times because people can get caught up in moments, tired, emotional, or simply change their minds about things.

All of which is forgivable. Campbell might have had some leeway, some leg room on one thing, then another, but all combined was just unforgivable and a whole different ball game to anything Keane did, which was only minute if anything at all.

[Spur]

You're being too analytical, overly logical instead of appreciating the multi-faceted human nuances that make it a whole different ball game. It's a different scenario altogether. I don't really look at what people say per say, I look at actions. You have to be careful about the exact things people say at times because people can get caught up in moments, tired, emotional, or simply change their minds about things.

All of which is forgivable. Campbell might have had some leeway, some leg room on one thing, then another, but all combined was just unforgivable and a whole different ball game to anything Keane did, which was only minute if anything at all.

Sweet.

You've just convinced me Berba's a ledge then.

[choda]

More people would've respected Barry if his letter the other day had read:

Dear Villains,

I've had a cracking time here and loved your support. I know I said I wanted CL football but the money on offer at City is too good to turn down.

I love Villa, but I love my wallet.

Thanks,

Gareth

Gareth and Robbie are the same. Almost. Pretty much.

Villains see Gareth as the Devil. THE DEVIL I TELL THEE!

And as I said. Campbell was worse; Keane is in the same ballpark. Bored of having to repeat myself.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY RECEIVED! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LYING!!!

He left for the money, football reasons were way too far down the list. He's no campbell but it's very distasteful none the less.

Keane left for his boyhood dream and a team in the cl going for the championship. He didn't lie he just said some things about loving spurs, and maybe went too far in what he said at the time due to over enthusiasm or what ever. So what.

Actions speak louder than words and there was nothing wrong with his actions. Barry's actions are distasteful. Duff was a greedy little w*nker. Berba was a complete c*nt. And campbell was the worst, a complete shower of pig semen.

[choda]

Sweet.

You've just convinced me Berba's a ledge then.

You think someone that turned up for half the games and disrespected his teamates, fans and club that paid his wages is a ledge?

That's a lot of disgraceful ACTIONS which make him far far from a legend.

[Spur]

You think someone that turned up for half the games and disrespected his teamates, fans and club that paid his wages is a ledge?

That's a lot of disgraceful ACTIONS.

You've ignored my previous post again (!) on Keane's ACTIONS.

You know, the one's I saw with my own eyes. The picking on the youngsters due to his frustrations, acting like a complete knob to players and fans alike - including myself may I add. Hold up, that's almost the same as what Berba did! Didn't get his move so threw a hissy fit! Not similar at all no?

DB - Turned up for half the games? That's just not true. Was even out there playing in friendlies in Spain. DB learned of a teams interest that he was promised a move to a year earlier, then went on strike. You'd say he's pretty much entitled to be pissed off - surely?!

Knowing the modern footballer, like Keane for example, who has control over their own contract, like Keane for example, they can maneouvre themselves into the position they want to be in, like Keane for example, until they get what they want, like Keane for example. Surely no disagreement there? And it's not such a bad thing either is it? You've already said so. Players should be allowed to find their riches if they want. Berba used his contract to the same result...and you treat him so much differently to Robbie...

Besides, Berbatov was punished with dissent by not getting paid. We couldn't do that with Robbie. He just picked up his sticks and settled on a new pad.

I'd love them both back up front for us. But that doesn't put right what either of them done or how either of them acted.

The modern footballer is a common breed.

[Shelfside]

He left for the money, football reasons were way too far down the list. He's no campbell but it's very distasteful none the less.

Keane left for his boyhood dream and a team in the cl going for the championship. He didn't lie he just said some things about loving spurs, and maybe went too far in what he said at the time due to over enthusiasm or what ever. So what.

Actions speak louder than words and there was nothing wrong with his actions. Barry's actions are distasteful. Duff was a greedy little w*nker. Berba was a complete c*nt. And campbell was the worst, a complete shower of pig semen.

So Keane was doing the 'Roy Of The Rovers' football dreams stuff but everybody else you mentioned are just money grabbers?.
Always remember that Gary Mabbutt turned down a move to Liverpool in 1987 even though they were the superior team in English football then.Likewise Steve Perryman turned down a move to Liverpool in 1977 after we had been relegated.He said that as he had been the captain when we were relegated it was his responsibility to bring us back up again.
It's one thing for a player to say that they love the club but it's quite another to actually prove it by staying here.And Berbatov never did say that he loved us.

[Rojoknapp]

Keane left for CL football, not exorbitant wages, so the comparison with Barry is pointless. I'm sure Villa fans would have much more respect for Barry had he gone to Liverpool rather than City. And the reason we hate Campbell, number one, beats any other reason by a country mile is that he went to Arsenal. If he did everything he did and left for a top side on the continent (on a free he had the world at his feet, could have gone pretty much anywhere) then we wouldn't hate him 1% as much as we do. The lying and the free transfer are nothing compared to that, they were just salt in the wounds.

Again, just because Keane left doesn't mean he didn't/doesn't love the club/fans. You are allowed to leave a club even if you say you love it.

And one more thing, there is a difference between Keane's lies and Campbell's. Campbell was being deliberately machiavellian, lying to run his contract down and deceive and shit on everyone associated with Spurs. When Keane said he wanted to stay, he wasn't running his contract down to engineer a move, he thought he was telling the truth.

[choda]

So Keane was doing the 'Roy Of The Rovers' football dreams stuff but everybody else you mentioned are just money grabbers?.
Always remember that Gary Mabbutt turned down a move to Liverpool in 1987 even though they were the superior team in English football then.Likewise Steve Perryman turned down a move to Liverpool in 1977 after we had been relegated.He said that as he had been the captain when we were relegated it was his responsibility to bring us back up again.
It's one thing for a player to say that they love the club but it's quite another to actually prove it by staying here.And Berbatov never did say that he loved us.

I understand what you're saying but Spurs was their club, it's Keane's club that he's taken to his heart but his other love is liverpool and we were in a shambles last summer and they were in the cl, after the title etc.

His actions were fine, just like Carrick. What's the big deal? Semantics. It's not about words. And I'm sure he meant it at the time. What he really meant is he loves spurs. But you don't always stay at clubs you love. It's also about career, ambition and winning things.

Bottom line: He always gave everything, was perenial player of the year and left for his boyhood club when we couldn't provide the same opportunities. I can't begrudge that.

[choda]

You've ignored my previous post again (!) on Keane's ACTIONS.

You know, the one's I saw with my own eyes. The picking on the youngsters due to his frustrations, acting like a complete knob to players and fans alike - including myself may I add. Hold up, that's almost the same as what Berba did! Didn't get his move so threw a hissy fit! Not similar at all no?

DB - Turned up for half the games? That's just not true. Was even out there playing in friendlies in Spain. DB learned of a teams interest that he was promised a move to a year earlier, then went on strike. You'd say he's pretty much entitled to be pissed off - surely?!

Knowing the modern footballer, like Keane for example, who has control over their own contract, like Keane for example, they can maneouvre themselves into the position they want to be in, like Keane for example, until they get what they want, like Keane for example. Surely no disagreement there? And it's not such a bad thing either is it? You've already said so. Players should be allowed to find their riches if they want. Berba used his contract to the same result...and you treat him so much differently to Robbie...

Besides, Berbatov was punished with dissent by not getting paid. We couldn't do that with Robbie. He just picked up his sticks and settled on a new pad.

I'd love them both back up front for us. But that doesn't put right what either of them done or how either of them acted.

The modern footballer is a common breed.

Hogwash that Berba was giving his all, he's not even giving his all for United. And then he wouldn't even play.

I acknowledge that Keane threw some hissy fits in Spain, but it's not a biggy. If it was he wouldn't have been welcomed back with open arms by the players and results in his captaincy wouldn't have been as good. Possibly you would have a imo subjective or over zealous analysis of that situation anyway. After all I completely disagree with your comments on this thread so far.

I'm talking about the real important actions such as giving your all for spurs when you play, and turning up to play. After all we don't know these people and inside situations and he is popular with the players we are told.

His actions were fine and then as I said to shelfside all of a minute ago the reasons for leaving were perfectly understandable at the time. There's no big deal. You are making a mountain out of a mowhill.

Berbatov behaved disgracefully. And I'm not talking about 'he said, she said' I'm talking about the effort he put in on the pitch and not even turning up in the end.

[olly27]

I seem to remeber Berbatov at Newcastle refusing to warm up even when BMJ was in charge!

[gomessi]

keane lied
campbell lied
berbatov was truthful

keane played consistently to a high standard (counldnt understand why he was subbed so often)
campbell played well
berbatov played shite then played well then back to shite

the fact is the berbatov keane partnerhip is the best we have seen since teddy-klings and there is no debating that point.

In hindsight we should have sold berba after his first season because he didnt want to be here but we ****ed around and then started off the season well. Even though berbatov didnt turn up during the first few games of the season and sulked around come the end of the season we only had 2 consistently good performers in a shit season. Our strikeforce saved us from being relegated :wink:

If you put berbatov and keane ahead of the midfield we've got today we'd have a ****ing awesome team! Previously it was a case of shit mid and great strikeforce and now its reversed. getting berbatov would complete our team.

It was the best strikeforce in the prem last season 30goals and 19 assists despite berbatov only playing at 50% and a midfield of malbranqe j-z lennon (crap last season).

[gomessi]

"I'm very content with life on and off the pitch, everything is brilliant," Keane told The People.

"I'm settled, I love London life and Spurs especially. If I wasn't settled I wouldn't have signed a new contract last year.

"I am very happy and, if things keep going the way they are, I'll stay here for life."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_2410027,00.html
Robbie Keane

[gomessi]

I seem to remeber Berbatov at Newcastle refusing to warm up even when BMJ was in charge!

thats true and he got hammered by all spurs fans. Keane and Bale were the only ones performing (bale got injured that game) but we had a shit team and berbatov felt he should have been a man u player hence his attitude (not defending him just saying why he acted like a ****).

[choda]

"I'm very content with life on and off the pitch, everything is brilliant," Keane told The People.

"I'm settled, I love London life and Spurs especially. If I wasn't settled I wouldn't have signed a new contract last year.

"I am very happy and, if things keep going the way they are, I'll stay here for life."http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_2410027,00.html
Robbie Keane

How is that lying, that is just stating how he felt at the time. SHOOT THE F*CKER! :001_rolleyes:

And who cares what they say anyway, as I've said before people say things at certain junctures and the exact wording can be not exactly what they meant due to circumstances when they were asked etc. It's about what's understandable, it's about the real actions.

[gomessi]

How is that lying, that is just stating how he felt at the time. SHOOT THE F*CKER! :001_rolleyes:

And who cares what they say anyway, as I've said before people say things at certain junctures and the exact wording can be not exactly what they meant due to circumstances when they were asked etc. It's about what's understandable, it's about the real actions.

"if things keep going the way they are, I'll stay here "

we finished 11th that season and had a shit end to the season.:confused1:

anyway thats all gone. a berbatov-keane partnership wouldnt be brilliant and thats my main point.

Keane lied berbatov sulked both were waners berbatov more so but stick them together and :drool: and you know it:wink:

Most players disrecpt the manager, the club the fans etc apart from one very special kid........wilson palacios.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-from-palacioss-family-tragedy-comes-a-shining-example-to-king-1683162.html

read that :001_smile:

most of our players have disrespected the club in one way or another (even ledley) but to my mind wilson is the only player thats really shone as a role model on and off the pitch.

[earl warwick]

"I'm very content with life on and off the pitch, everything is brilliant," Keane told The People.

"I'm settled, I love London life and Spurs especially. If I wasn't settled I wouldn't have signed a new contract last year.

"I am very happy and, if things keep going the way they are, I'll stay here for life."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_2410027,00.html
Robbie Keane

It's clear where both you and Spur have gone wrong. You've both over-used the left hemisphere of your brains, been overly logical and analytical when judging Keano. If you'd at least equally applied the right hemisphere, you'd have deciphered the following from those quotes:

"I'm doing well out of Spurs, reasonable money, big fan favourite and probably the best I can hope for. They're no Liverpool, that's a truly massive club, and if they ever had an interest I'd be ditching this bunch of second-raters like a shot."

Anyway, Berbatov's much worse because he's lazy, and pretty rubbish, I think he must smell quite a bit with all those fags, probably has difficulty climbing stairs, and he looks very foreign, and everyone knows they're horrid(except the Spurs ones).

Signed,

Cocka, age 13 and 3/4.

[gomessi]

It's clear where both you and Spur have gone wrong. You've both over-used the left hemisphere of your brains, been overly logical and analytical when judging Keano. If you'd at least equally applied the right hemisphere, you'd have deciphered the following from those quotes:

"I'm doing well out of Spurs, reasonable money, big fan favourite and probably the best I can hope for. They're no Liverpool, that's a truly massive club, and if they ever had an interest I'd be ditching this bunch of second-raters like a shot."

Anyway, Berbatov's much worse because he's lazy, and pretty rubbish, I think he must smell quite a bit with all those fags, probably has difficulty climbing stairs, and he looks very foreign, and everyone knows they're horrid(except the Spurs ones).

Signed,

Cocka, age 13 and 3/4.

I was delighted when we sold RK for £20m :sleep: He's worth £12-14m the problem we had was we simply didnt replace him.

[mjbmedia]

To have signed Berbatov in the first place ,we must have sold the 'we've just finished fifth and will be playing CL football within two years' line to him.Now bearing that in mind,in 2007/08 he was playing in a team that was disappearing up it's own arse.He didn't join us to faff about in 11th place.He didn't join us to have to score four goals against Reading to dig us out of a hole created by our amateurish defending.
Maybe he thought that he was too good to play in our team.And you know what?.He was.
:thumbup: :thumbup: amen to that
We ****ed up big time, Berbs didnt, jeez even I felt like leaving while we changed managers for fun and slid down the table

[Spur]

Hogwash that Berba was giving his all, he's not even giving his all for United. And then he wouldn't even play.

I acknowledge that Keane threw some hissy fits in Spain, but it's not a biggy. If it was he wouldn't have been welcomed back with open arms by the players and results in his captaincy wouldn't have been as good. Possibly you would have a imo subjective or over zealous analysis of that situation anyway. After all I completely disagree with your comments on this thread so far.

I'm talking about the real important actions such as giving your all for spurs when you play, and turning up to play. After all we don't know these people and inside situations and he is popular with the players we are told.

His actions were fine and then as I said to shelfside all of a minute ago the reasons for leaving were perfectly understandable at the time. There's no big deal. You are making a mountain out of a mowhill.

Berbatov behaved disgracefully. And I'm not talking about 'he said, she said' I'm talking about the effort he put in on the pitch and not even turning up in the end.

The reason we're discussing this in the first place is because we've just been told many of the players are unhappy he's walked straight back into the captaincy and can't be subbed off.

The effort with Berba was the same he put in for the previous extremely impressive seasons. That's his style and it's not done him much harm so far. His issue this year is more tactical, whether it's him playing there or SAF's putting him there; he's playing too deep to be effective. The reason dumb United fans jump on his back is because he's got two midget headless chicken's running around like there's a monkey on their backs. IT'S A TACTICAL ISSUE.

Just for the record so far in this thread I'm disagreeing with your opinion too, which I suppose makes us even.

Bottom line: He always gave everything, was perenial player of the year and left for his boyhood club when we couldn't provide the same opportunities. I can't begrudge that.

Your words right there. Berbatov was Player of the Year - so much for not putting in effort if WE (as in me and you and our brothers & sisters in Blue and White) gave him a trophy for being our Best Player. How can begrudge him moving when we couldn't give him the opportunities? You said you can't with Keane so why can you with Berbatov?

Your one gripe against Berbatov is he refused to play those games at the start of the season. We were well compensated for Berbatov - another argument of yours in defence of King Robbie - he wasn't paid for when he was sulking, we couldn't offer what he wanted, he was joining the best Club in the world, and all along it was a move he was PROMISED by the Club Chairman. How can you begrudge that? How? It's because you just don't like him, innit? Can't be subjective but rather judgemental with 'facts' in your head. Look at it as I've spelled out - tell me he should be shot still.

And please stop pointing to the pitch and saying he wasn't trying. He sored 27 goals in 70 games for us and set up countless more. He took part in a partnership with Keane that wielded over 60 goals and assists for the pair. He was given the Player of the Year award and if he wasn't trying he wouldn't be performing, if he wasn't performing he wasn't winning an award.

One rule for one and one rule for another - it's the way forward people. Let's all gather round and be hypocrits.

[Yido]

keane lied
campbell lied
berbatov was truthful

keane played consistently to a high standard (counldnt understand why he was subbed so often)
campbell played well
berbatov played shite then played well then back to shite

the fact is the berbatov keane partnerhip is the best we have seen since teddy-klings and there is no debating that point.

In hindsight we should have sold berba after his first season because he didnt want to be here but we ****ed around and then started off the season well. Even though berbatov didnt turn up during the first few games of the season and sulked around come the end of the season we only had 2 consistently good performers in a shit season. Our strikeforce saved us from being relegated :wink:

If you put berbatov and keane ahead of the midfield we've got today we'd have a ****ing awesome team! Previously it was a case of shit mid and great strikeforce and now its reversed. getting berbatov would complete our team.

It was the best strikeforce in the prem last season 30goals and 19 assists despite berbatov only playing at 50% and a midfield of malbranqe j-z lennon (crap last season).

its our fault for being run like a joke. You're right when he was clearly above the rest of our players what is wrong with wanting to move to the best team in england. He had no loyalty to spurs and never pretended so why does he get vilified.

Yes he acted like a **** in the first few games but we were well compensated.

[Keanoldinho]

The reason we're discussing this in the first place is because we've just been told many of the players are unhappy he's walked straight back into the captaincy and can't be subbed off.

The effort with Berba was the same he put in for the previous extremely impressive seasons. That's his style and it's not done him much harm so far. His issue this year is more tactical, whether it's him playing there or SAF's putting him there; he's playing too deep to be effective. The reason dumb United fans jump on his back is because he's got two midget headless chicken's running around like there's a monkey on their backs. IT'S A TACTICAL ISSUE.

Just for the record so far in this thread I'm disagreeing with your opinion too, which I suppose makes us even.



Your words right there. Berbatov was Player of the Year - so much for not putting in effort if WE (as in me and you and our brothers & sisters in Blue and White) gave him a trophy for being our Best Player. How can begrudge him moving when we couldn't give him the opportunities? You said you can't with Keane so why can you with Berbatov?

Your one gripe against Berbatov is he refused to play those games at the start of the season. We were well compensated for Berbatov - another argument of yours in defence of King Robbie - he wasn't paid for when he was sulking, we couldn't offer what he wanted, he was joining the best Club in the world, and all along it was a move he was PROMISED by the Club Chairman. How can you begrudge that? How? It's because you just don't like him, innit? Can't be subjective but rather judgemental with 'facts' in your head. Look at it as I've spelled out - tell me he should be shot still.

And please stop pointing to the pitch and saying he wasn't trying. He sored 27 goals in 70 games for us and set up countless more. He took part in a partnership with Keane that wielded over 60 goals and assists for the pair. He was given the Player of the Year award and if he wasn't trying he wouldn't be performing, if he wasn't performing he wasn't winning an award.

One rule for one and one rule for another - it's the way forward people. Let's all gather round and be hypocrits.



I thought he scored 46 goals and had 22 assists in 2 seasons :scared:

boy we could sure as hell use all of that back in the team I so wanted to see him and Modric link up they woulda been unreal together

[Spur]

I thought he scored 46 goals and had 22 assists in 2 seasons :scared:

boy we could sure as hell use all of that back in the team I so wanted to see him and Modric link up they woulda been unreal together

Maybe that 27 from 70 apps is league only... I took it off his Wiki page anyway.

[choda]

The reason we're discussing this in the first place is because we've just been told many of the players are unhappy he's walked straight back into the captaincy and can't be subbed off.

The effort with Berba was the same he put in for the previous extremely impressive seasons. That's his style and it's not done him much harm so far. His issue this year is more tactical, whether it's him playing there or SAF's putting him there; he's playing too deep to be effective. The reason dumb United fans jump on his back is because he's got two midget headless chicken's running around like there's a monkey on their backs. IT'S A TACTICAL ISSUE.

Just for the record so far in this thread I'm disagreeing with your opinion too, which I suppose makes us even.



Your words right there. Berbatov was Player of the Year - so much for not putting in effort if WE (as in me and you and our brothers & sisters in Blue and White) gave him a trophy for being our Best Player. How can begrudge him moving when we couldn't give him the opportunities? You said you can't with Keane so why can you with Berbatov?

Your one gripe against Berbatov is he refused to play those games at the start of the season. We were well compensated for Berbatov - another argument of yours in defence of King Robbie - he wasn't paid for when he was sulking, we couldn't offer what he wanted, he was joining the best Club in the world, and all along it was a move he was PROMISED by the Club Chairman. How can you begrudge that? How? It's because you just don't like him, innit? Can't be subjective but rather judgemental with 'facts' in your head. Look at it as I've spelled out - tell me he should be shot still.

And please stop pointing to the pitch and saying he wasn't trying. He sored 27 goals in 70 games for us and set up countless more. He took part in a partnership with Keane that wielded over 60 goals and assists for the pair. He was given the Player of the Year award and if he wasn't trying he wouldn't be performing, if he wasn't performing he wasn't winning an award.

One rule for one and one rule for another - it's the way forward people. Let's all gather round and be hypocrits.

Woah, hold on there. He was also MY player of the year first year. No problems there what so ever. As I've said many times at that time imo he was THE best target man in the world. Sublime, taking up positions in his casual style and resolutely holding the ball up in his own relaxed way but make no mistake he was working hard and very focused on what he was doing for the team.

I'm amazed you don't see the difference between that and the next season where he was nowhere to be seen in most games except for flashes. He was Bentesque in that the end product was still there but if you think he was good for the team, well I don't know what to say to that.

He was lazy, unproductive, sulking, giving out to his teamates bar Keane even when they made a good effort and he didn't even show up in the end.

There are things I take a very dim light to. They are A. not giving your all or near it B. Not turning up, literally and C. moving when football reasons are way down the list.

Just one of those and it's distasteful. A, partcularly winds me up to the point of wanting to take a crowbar to a guy earning 50,000 a week.

All Keane did was say he was happy at the time and could see himself staying here til the end of his career. So what. Hardly scandalous.

Yea, he may have thrown a few hissy fits when it looked like he may not get his move to Liverpool as well. I don't like that but I have forgiven it.

Some things are small issues to me, some things are big issues and I believe I have a good and rational set of criteria.

You'll notice c*ntball didn't feature on a, b or c, however he did lots lots of distasteful things that added up to something worse than anything I've ever seen in a transfer before.

And I can't see it being tactical with Berbatov. If it was then I'd still see the work rate like the first year at spurs and he often came deep here too. Has anyone else noticed he's lost a fair degree of pace too? When was the last time he went by someone? When was the last time he went in behind and showed a decent burst of pace, which he did have? And I saw him in one or two flat races where he was pathetically slow, much slower than at spurs.

And you insult two fabulous footballers that are a major part of the success at old trafford. Berbatov doesn't even start the big games. Those two 'headless chickens' you refer too both have fabulous football brains and work their socks off. They are worth far more than Berbatov.

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I'm amazed you don't see the difference between that and the next season where he was nowhere to be seen in most games except for flashes. He was Bentesque in that the end product was still there but if you think he was good for the team, well I don't know what to say to that.

He was lazy, unproductive, sulking, giving out to his teamates bar Keane even when they made a good effort and he didn't even show up in the end.
Yeah, he was only one half of the most productive strike partnership in modern times.

Can't believe he even got in the first XI :thumbdown:
And I can't see it being tactical with Berbatov. If it was then I'd still see the work rate like the first year at spurs and he often came deep here too. Has anyone else noticed he's lost a fair degree of pace too? When was the last time he went by someone? When was the last time he went in behind and showed a decent burst of pace, which he did have? And I saw him in one or two flat races where he was pathetically slow, much slower than at spurs.
It's tactical. He's the point man, he needs to be up top with whoever else he plays with. He's not doing it, therefore it's tactical. Get him back up the pitch where he hasn't been and you've got your Berby back.

Not sure on the yard of pace, he wasn't the quickest anyway, he's held back because he's too far back, you won't see him run at anyone that often.
And you insult two fabulous footballers that are a major part of the success at old trafford. Berbatov doesn't even start the big games. Those two 'headless chickens' you refer too both have fabulous football brains and work their socks off. They are worth far more than Berbatov.
Oh that wasn't an insult. You've read that wrong, as if I meant it negatively.

[choda]

Yeah, he was only one half of the most productive strike partnership in modern times.

Can't believe he even got in the first XI :thumbdown:

It's tactical. He's the point man, he needs to be up top with whoever else he plays with. He's not doing it, therefore it's tactical. Get him back up the pitch where he hasn't been and you've got your Berby back.

Not sure on the yard of pace, he wasn't the quickest anyway, he's held back because he's too far back, you won't see him run at anyone that often.

Oh that wasn't an insult. You've read that wrong, as if I meant it negatively.

It shows how talented he is but it's not all about goals and flashes of magic. It's about the overall.

You say Bent isn't good enough, and you're right. Do you know his goalscoring record per games/minutes eclipses Robbie and Berbatov?

It illustrates the concept of statistics and how they can be misleading.

I'd take Berbatov back because the potential of him and Keane is enormous, they will hit it off again and it's not like he's never been at it. He was in the first season.

So I guess you've changed my opinion in so far as that. We disagree on other matters, which is fine, two opinions are better than one.

[Spur]

It shows how talented he is but it's not all about goals and flashes of magic. It's about the overall.

You say Bent isn't good enough, and you're right. Do you know his goalscoring record per games/minutes eclipses Robbie and Berbatov?

It illustrates the concept of statistics and how they can be misleading.

I'd take Berbatov back because the potential of him and Keane is enormous, they will hit it off again and it's not like he's never been at it. He was in the first season.

So I guess you've changed my opinion in so far as that. We disagree on other matters, which is fine, two opinions are better than one.

I'll take that.

Someone asked me the other day who I think Spurs should sign, who we need. I said Berbatov and Carrick, give me that and we're challenging.

We would be. Chuck in a couple more to deepen the squad and we'd be set. Go back to RK and DB up front, Wils and Carrick in middle, Luka and Lennon either side. Sorted.

[Keanoldinho]

Woah, hold on there. He was also MY player of the year first year. No problems there what so ever. As I've said many times at that time imo he was THE best target man in the world. Sublime, taking up positions in his casual style and resolutely holding the ball up in his own relaxed way but make no mistake he was working hard and very focused on what he was doing for the team.

I'm amazed you don't see the difference between that and the next season where he was nowhere to be seen in most games except for flashes. He was Bentesque in that the end product was still there but if you think he was good for the team, well I don't know what to say to that.

He was lazy, unproductive, sulking, giving out to his teamates bar Keane even when they made a good effort and he didn't even show up in the end.

There are things I take a very dim light to. They are A. not giving your all or near it B. Not turning up, literally and C. moving when football reasons are way down the list.

Just one of those and it's distasteful. A, partcularly winds me up to the point of wanting to take a crowbar to a guy earning 50,000 a week.

All Keane did was say he was happy at the time and could see himself staying here til the end of his career. So what. Hardly scandalous.

Yea, he may have thrown a few hissy fits when it looked like he may not get his move to Liverpool as well. I don't like that but I have forgiven it.

Some things are small issues to me, some things are big issues and I believe I have a good and rational set of criteria.

You'll notice c*ntball didn't feature on a, b or c, however he did lots lots of distasteful things that added up to something worse than anything I've ever seen in a transfer before.

And I can't see it being tactical with Berbatov. If it was then I'd still see the work rate like the first year at spurs and he often came deep here too. Has anyone else noticed he's lost a fair degree of pace too? When was the last time he went by someone? When was the last time he went in behind and showed a decent burst of pace, which he did have? And I saw him in one or two flat races where he was pathetically slow, much slower than at spurs.

And you insult two fabulous footballers that are a major part of the success at old trafford. Berbatov doesn't even start the big games. Those two 'headless chickens' you refer too both have fabulous football brains and work their socks off. They are worth far more than Berbatov.



One thing I will say about that is he put up exactly the same numbers both seasons

23 goals and 11 assists in both so he couldn't of been that much worse than the first season

[Keanoldinho]

I'll take that.

Someone asked me the other day who I think Spurs should sign, who we need. I said Berbatov and Carrick, give me that and we're challenging.

We would be. Chuck in a couple more to deepen the squad and we'd be set. Go back to RK and DB up front, Wils and Carrick in middle, Luka and Lennon either side. Sorted.



sorted fackin hell we'd be a CL team

that's what makes it so sickening we were so fecking close to cracking that lot of sky 4 w@nkers. Imagine lasanga gate never happened we won Carrick stayed Berby came we'd of been flying but alas we got royally F*CKED :cursing:

[Spur]

sorted fackin hell we'd be a CL team

that's what makes it so sickening we were so fecking close to cracking that lot of sky 4 w@nkers. Imagine lasanga gate never happened we won Carrick stayed Berby came we'd of been flying but alas we got royally F*CKED :cursing:

Too true mate :thumbdown:

[choda]

One thing I will say about that is he put up exactly the same numbers both seasons

23 goals and 11 assists in both so he couldn't of been that much worse than the first season

But he was way less imo. World class then below the nearly world class Keane that year and let's face it a bit of a team cancer.

[choda]

sorted fackin hell we'd be a CL team

that's what makes it so sickening we were so fecking close to cracking that lot of sky 4 w@nkers. Imagine lasanga gate never happened we won Carrick stayed Berby came we'd of been flying but alas we got royally F*CKED :cursing:

Well I wouldn't lament it too much, for one thing Jol couldn't have stayed there imo. Too many errors were about to come to the fore in his coaching, tactics etc. And second, those players are pretty replaceable as far as I'm concerned and we will hopefully do that this summer. Palacious was a massive coup already for a start. Modric, bringing back Keane. Lennon is kicking on. We've a class manager.

This is a good time and the future has never been brighter imo, though at times we did look great but we (well me anyway) didn't know enough about Jol and what was in store and that Ramos couldn't adapt to the English game.