Jones or Crouch?

[olly27]

Now I know most will probably say neither but if you had to choose one (yes I am bored) who would it be and why?

I would go for Crouch simply because I have always quite liked him. Scored some exquisite goals in his time and I feel he could fit in well at Spurs - with better players around him. Jones is better in the air but Crouchy gets my vote, think all round he's better and is a more intelligent footballer.

Dont get me wrong I am not saying I would definitely want to sign Crouch - its not cream in your pance stuff but I wouldn't turn my nose up at the prospect.

I mention these two as they are realistic targets in all likelihood. Nail your colours to the mast please.

[Rojoknapp]

I quite like both, but the general concensus seems to be that Jones is a lazy bastard a lot of the time - Berbatov with a hell of a lot less talent. For that reason, I would take Crouch, I think he's a really underrated player.

[Gino Ginelli]

Crouch. Proven at club and international level. Plus he's from here originally. I know there's no real room for sentiment, but in making this choice, I will.

[gazzaG8]

Thats like asking who you'd sleep with out of Anne Wittacombe & the queen!
My answer is neither mate we can sign better players then those two & we have better players than those two.

[olly27]

Thats like asking who you'd sleep with out of Anne Wittacombe & the queen!
My answer is neither mate we can sign better players then those two & we have better players than those two.

I am not listing them in terms of who I want to sign but who I think Harry is weighing up moves for.

[Gino Ginelli]

Thats like asking who you'd sleep with out of Anne Wittacombe & the queen!
My answer is neither mate we can sign better players then those two & we have better players than those two.

The Queen. She's loaded!! :laugh:

[Lilywhite Lad]

Well it is a bit of a tough one, but regardless of his recent poor form, i'd have to say Jones. He is one of the quickest players in the Prem, and is very capable of scoring 15+ goals a season. I mean, he missed the first couple of months of the season through injury, and when he returned, he started scoring many, i think he had a record of something like 7 goals in 12 games, which is not bad at all.

The fact that Keane left and the club was left with Srabgia to run things, may have been the reason for the drop in his performance, as it is reported Sbragia lost much of the dressing room whilst in charge, and didn't know how to play him, he did, of course, begin playing Jones in a 4-5-1, when he shown earlier in the season he played a lot better alongside Cisse.

He may not be at his best, but Harry may be the type of manager to revive him and get him back to playing well again, which after all, had Sunderland fans worshipping him when he was. Strong, athletic, a goal-scorer, the qualities that we could benefit from. Although have these really dissolved? He would be a huge gamble, but a safer gamble imo than Crouch.

[Baleinho]

Crouch.

Jones is WAY too inconsistant.

[gazzaG8]

I am not listing them in terms of who I want to sign but who I think Harry is weighing up moves for.

I know mate, i was just giving my opinion & my opinion is we have better at the club, but we'll probably end up moving for Crouch.

[olly27]

I know mate, i was just giving my opinion & my opinion is we have better at the club, but we'll probably end up moving for Crouch.

Thats why I said in the first line of the opening post that most will probably say neither but if you had to pick one...:001_smile:

I could see one of them definitely coming in, the other possibility is Santa Cruz but that would depend on City's interest and his injury problems.

[choda]

I've said it many times about Jones I think the potential is enormous and if he came here and worked with Harry I think he could become AWESOME.

Crouch, no, don't want him. He's too immobile, gangly and he's not good enough in the air for his size. Good player mind, but not good enough imo and not a spurs player either, too unsightly, lol.

[Baleinho]

I've said it many times about Jones I think the potential is enormous and if he came here and worked with Harry I think he could become AWESOME.


Is he 20million pounds awesome?

[Spur]

Is he 20million pounds awesome?

Nope.

But I've chosen Jones.

Kenwyne Jones is a really good player. He's a really good all round player. He's got it all. Not in bucketloads; but he's got it all. He can strike a ball, he can head a ball, and he can run. What more do you want in a striker?

Remember a few years back, and someone asked Terry Henry who was the toughest defender to play against? He said King, btw. Well someone a while back asked John Terry who the hardest striker is to play against. He said Kenwyne Jones.

He's in the top half of good quality strikers in this league. Needs a move, but the money being mentioned is ridiculous.

[TURKISH]

I've said it many times about Jones I think the potential is enormous and if he came here and worked with Harry I think he could become AWESOME.

Crouch, no, don't want him. He's too immobile, gangly and he's not good enough in the air for his size. Good player mind, but not good enough imo and not a spurs player either, too unsightly, lol.

But at least you know what your gonna get with crouch goals, assists and won't go missing. Jones on the other hand is a lazy sod who struggled mentaly to get himself up for games, do I need to show his goal record?

No positional sense, no real nouce up front and I would rather spend 12m on Dzenko.

Crouch is a waste of space but at least your guaranteed 15 goals.

Only time will tell with Jones but me personally I don't see much substance there.

[choda]

Is he 20million pounds awesome?

No, but we missed out on Milito and sometimes when you want a player I think the best thing to do is to just say, 'f*ck it, here you go you rapist', within some sort of reason.

If I had to pay 20 million I would grudgingly pay it because this time next year that's what I think he'll be worth.

I know he went downhill this year after scoring 7 in 12 when he came back from injury, but as someone pointed out I think that was a lot to do with Sbragia losing the dressing room and he's not a top manager and sunderland started to sink fast after his honeymoon, that goes for all the players as well. Even a consistently good player like Mal went the mae west.

[olly27]

Nope.

But I've chosen Jones.

Kenwyne Jones is a really good player. He's a really good all round player. He's got it all. Not in bucketloads; but he's got it all. He can strike a ball, he can head a ball, and he can run. What more do you want in a striker?

Remember a few years back, and someone asked Terry Henry who was the toughest defender to play against? He said King, btw. Well someone a while back asked John Terry who the hardest striker is to play against. He said Kenwyne Jones.

He's in the top half of good quality strikers in this league. Needs a move, but the money being mentioned is ridiculous.

Am I right in thinking that Suderland bought Jones from Southampton? Maybe I havn't seen enough of him, just not sure what puts me off him really. I know he ticks most of the boxes but I just have a feeling that he seems to go missing a bit - not sure really. I have watched him enough to form an opinion but maybe I have see to more of him to be convinced either way. 20 million though is absurd, surely 10 million would be more like it - its not like he's British!!

I do think he's cracking in the air though but still think Crouch would link better with the likes of Modric, Keane and Defoe - which he has already proved.

[Keanoldinho]

Nope.

But I've chosen Jones.

Kenwyne Jones is a really good player. He's a really good all round player. He's got it all. Not in bucketloads; but he's got it all. He can strike a ball, he can head a ball, and he can run. What more do you want in a striker?

Remember a few years back, and someone asked Terry Henry who was the toughest defender to play against? He said King, btw. Well someone a while back asked John Terry who the hardest striker is to play against. He said Kenwyne Jones.

He's in the top half of good quality strikers in this league. Needs a move, but the money being mentioned is ridiculous.



Watched the chavski v sunderland game last season can't remember the score but what I do remember is Jones was all over Terry and Carvalho the pair couldn't win a header to save their lives Jones was an absolute beast in that game.

I went with Jones too but it's a tough call I rate Crouch as a pretty good player too but I just think Jonesy would bring more of what we don't have at the minute and under a top manager like 'Arry he could turn into an awesome player.

20 mil is still taking the piss though

[earl warwick]

Nope.

But I've chosen Jones.

Kenwyne Jones is a really good player. He's a really good all round player. He's got it all. Not in bucketloads; but he's got it all. He can strike a ball, he can head a ball, and he can run. What more do you want in a striker?

Remember a few years back, and someone asked Terry Henry who was the toughest defender to play against? He said King, btw. Well someone a while back asked John Terry who the hardest striker is to play against. He said Kenwyne Jones.
He's in the top half of good quality strikers in this league. Needs a move, but the money being mentioned is ridiculous.

Where did he say that? If you'd asked me which striker he was talking about, I imagine Jones wouldn't have even been in my first 20 answers.

[olly27]

Where did he say that? If you'd asked me which striker he was talking about, I imagine Jones wouldn't have even been in my first 20 answers.

Earl your choice was Crouch in this context, simply because you think he is the better of the two evils!?....thoughts please?

[earl warwick]

Earl your choice was Crouch in this context, simply because you think he is the better of the two evils!?....thoughts please?
Partly that he'd be a lot cheaper(11m compared to at least 15m) and that I was impressed with how Defoe and him worked together. I wouldn't want Crouch because he has no pace and is a weak header of the ball. Having said that, he regularly delivered the goods for Liverpool, sometimes looking very spectacular(thinking about that 25 yarder he lamped past Arsenal last season), but then a lot of players have and not done it elsewhere.

Aesthetically, it's also horrible to watch gangly players. :thumbdown:

[hastingsyid]

Thats like asking who you'd sleep with out of Anne Wittacombe & the queen!
My answer is neither mate we can sign better players then those two & we have better players than those two.

spot on pal

[gomessi]

Is he 20million pounds awesome?

depends if you think he can turn into a £20m+ player.

I've been thinking about this carefully and I've changed my mind on jones. He is a lazy dick but when he is playing he is a real handful and he does bring others into play. The pompey game summed him for me. Moments of class mixed with some general laziness. You'vealso got to see the midfield behind him ispathetic and he has problems playingwith cisee.

I can see the drogba comparision and itmight be worth noting wenger had the chance to sign drogba for £100,000...he didnt because he wasnt sure about his potential. Obviously this is a bit different because its £20m.

Harry probably thinks he can help jones transform into our drogba.

Saying all that I doubt sunderland will sell now they are loaded with cash.

[gomessi]

Where did he say that? If you'd asked me which striker he was talking about, I imagine Jones wouldn't have even been in my first 20 answers.

"Jones was fantastic and I have played against him twice now. He is a very good player. Very hard working and probably the best in the air in the entire Premier League. He really is that good.

"All the lads are talking about him afterwards. How well he did and how impressive he was. If Sunderland can stay up and keep hold of him they have a fantastic chance of kicking on."

John Terry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-536830/JT-hints-Sunderlands-key-man-Kenwyne-job-Chelsea.html

Mourinho also said something v similar. Do I have to find the mourinho quotes. I remember he compared jones and drogba saying he could see the simiarities.

[Gino Ginelli]

Well seeing as Harry has been saying that he needs to sell before he buys, and that he'll probably only have around £30m to spend, I doubt very much that we'll be paying anything like £15m on a still unproven player.

He's after 3 £10m players or thereabouts, so specualte from that I guess?

[Spur]

"Jones was fantastic and I have played against him twice now. He is a very good player. Very hard working and probably the best in the air in the entire Premier League. He really is that good.

"All the lads are talking about him afterwards. How well he did and how impressive he was. If Sunderland can stay up and keep hold of him they have a fantastic chance of kicking on."

John Terry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-536830/JT-hints-Sunderlands-key-man-Kenwyne-job-Chelsea.html

Mourinho also said something v similar. Do I have to find the mourinho quotes. I remember he compared jones and drogba saying he could see the simiarities.

This is also true.

[gomessi]

Well seeing as Harry has been saying that he needs to sell before he buys, and that he'll probably only have around £30m to spend, I doubt very much that we'll be paying anything like £15m on a still unproven player.

He's after 3 £10m players or thereabouts, so specualte from that I guess?

at the start of January harry also said "money will be tight we'll look to do 1 or 2 things"

[earl warwick]

at the start of January harry also said "money will be tight we'll look to do 1 or 2 things"

The real threat of relegation leads to a great loosening of the purse strings.

[Shuggie13]

"Jones was fantastic and I have played against him twice now. He is a very good player. Very hard working and probably the best in the air in the entire Premier League. He really is that good.

"All the lads are talking about him afterwards. How well he did and how impressive he was. If Sunderland can stay up and keep hold of him they have a fantastic chance of kicking on."

John Terry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-536830/JT-hints-Sunderlands-key-man-Kenwyne-job-Chelsea.html

Mourinho also said something v similar. Do I have to find the mourinho quotes. I remember he compared jones and drogba saying he could see the simiarities.

And after this quote did we not get the 'Jones to Chelsea' back pages in the papers? I recall these quotes and Terry's I think was directly after the match Keano was referring too.

I have gone for Crouch. Although Jones looks to have the potential, Crouch already has an understanding with Defoe. I would imagine he would probably pick up a good understanding with Keane and Pav pretty immediately too.

He also 'as great touch for a big lad.

For that reason he wins the Lanky Striker Face-off.

[Ioang]

The real threat of relegation leads to a great loosening of the purse strings.

Aye, sounds like Levy was a bit like "you can have your summer money now but don't expect much then".

Noticed Jones actually tried last day of the season, shop window time. I'm coming round, if we could get him for less than £15m i'd be happy but sounds unlikely.

[Gino Ginelli]

Aye, sounds like Levy was a bit like "you can have your summer money now but don't expect much then".

Noticed Jones actually tried last day of the season, shop window time. I'm coming round, if we could get him for less than £15m i'd be happy but sounds unlikely.

Now who else do we know who behaved like that? Some questionably motivated Bulgarian I think...

[apr82]

crouch over jones anyday but it wont surprise me if levy tries to resign the gloryhunter for 20-25 mil 'aiways look for a profit my boy' rubs his hands!:sneaky2:

[Lilywhite Lad]

Am I right in thinking that Suderland bought Jones from Southampton? Maybe I havn't seen enough of him, just not sure what puts me off him really. I know he ticks most of the boxes but I just have a feeling that he seems to go missing a bit - not sure really. I have watched him enough to form an opinion but maybe I have see to more of him to be convinced either way. 20 million though is absurd, surely 10 million would be more like it - its not like he's British!!

I do think he's cracking in the air though but still think Crouch would link better with the likes of Modric, Keane and Defoe - which he has already proved.

He did come from Southampton yes. The slightly off-putting thing is that he went on strike at Southampton for the reason which i believe to be the fact that they were trying to control him and not let him go when Sunderland came knocking.

He isn't really a trouble-maker though, i mean, ok, he went quite far when a bigger club came for him, and it does make him seem like a tw@t for doing that, but he felt that he needed to prove himself more and become more of a better striker, something he wasn't going to do at a club in a downward spiral who were essentially trapping him there.

But whilst he's been at Sunderland, he has shown no attitude problems and has been quite passionate about the club and himself moving forward. He has disappeared from games at times, but i believe if we bring him in under Redknapp, he will do VERY well. Look at Lennon before Redknapp came in. Like Jones in a way now, shown real great qualities and enormous potential, but went missing a lot, and often failed to deliver. Harry saw his potential, instilled a lot more confidence, and transformed him into a real threat, hence becoming our player of the year.

If Harry can get the best out of Lennon, Modric, players with real potential, he can do the same with Jones, although i will also admit, he must try and get him for a lot lower a price than £20M.

[Rojoknapp]

He did come from Southampton yes. The slightly off-putting thing is that he went on strike at Southampton for the reason which i believe to be the fact that they were trying to control him and not let him go when Sunderland came knocking.

He isn't really a trouble-maker though, i mean, ok, he went quite far when a bigger club came for him, and it does make him seem like a tw@t for doing that, but he felt that he needed to prove himself more and become more of a better striker, something he wasn't going to do at a club in a downward spiral who were essentially trapping him there.

But whilst he's been at Sunderland, he has shown no attitude problems and has been quite passionate about the club and himself moving forward. He has disappeared from games at times, but i believe if we bring him in under Redknapp, he will do VERY well. Look at Lennon before Redknapp came in. Like Jones in a way now, shown real great qualities and enormous potential, but went missing a lot, and often failed to deliver. Harry saw his potential, instilled a lot more confidence, and transformed him into a real threat, hence becoming our player of the year.

If Harry can get the best out of Lennon, Modric, players with real potential, he can do the same with Jones, although i will also admit, he must try and get him for a lot lower a price than £20M.

Really? That's pretty much the opposite of what I've heard from most people who I've heard talking about him :confused1:

[TURKISH]

Really? That's pretty much the opposite of what I've heard from most people who I've heard talking about him :confused1:

Yep and he is known for his attitude problems i.e not being bothered.

[choda]

"Jones was fantastic and I have played against him twice now. He is a very good player. Very hard working and probably the best in the air in the entire Premier League. He really is that good.

"All the lads are talking about him afterwards. How well he did and how impressive he was. If Sunderland can stay up and keep hold of him they have a fantastic chance of kicking on."

John Terry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-536830/JT-hints-Sunderlands-key-man-Kenwyne-job-Chelsea.html

Mourinho also said something v similar. Do I have to find the mourinho quotes. I remember he compared jones and drogba saying he could see the simiarities.

I hadn't seen that before but it just confirms what I think about him and his potential and why we should sign him.

[gomessi]

I hadn't seen that before but it just confirms what I think about him and his potential and why we should sign him.

There was another one by rio but I cant find it. Basically said at times he was to much for him but kenwyne lacked support.

Just take my word for it was mostly in the first season. This season he has only shown flashes and that can make it very worrying ashe might beone of those 1 season wonders.

he has got potential though but £20m is to far to high BUT if harry wants to pay it I'll be OK with it.

[Shelfside]

There was another one by rio but I cant find it. Basically said at times he was to much for him but kenwyne lacked support.

Just take my word for it was mostly in the first season. This season he has only shown flashes and that can make it very worrying ashe might beone of those 1 season wonders.

he has got potential though but £20m is to far to high BUT if harry wants to pay it I'll be OK with it.

But surely even if Harry wants to pay £20 million,he is still vastly overpriced.So if Jones did go for £20 million,that would be the same fee that Keane went to Liverpool for.Keane went for that money because he is proven quality.You do not EVER pay £20 million for 'potential'.
That is why I will go for Crouch.We know what to expect from him and his game has visibly improved over the last few years.And no one would ever question his attitude and commitment.He did have an understanding with JD at Pompey and that could also work with Crouch and Keane.
Crouch isn't the ideal solution for us,but rather him than Jones any day of the week.

[Lilywhite Lad]

Yep and he is known for his attitude problems i.e not being bothered.

Jones has never from what i'm aware, shown any side of a bad attitude at Sunderland. There was a dressing room rift at the club which involved, at the time, Diouf, Chimbonda, and more recently, Cisse, who was dropped and sent back to France after hearing that we were apparently in for him. Jones though, has always kept his head down and stayed out of the rifts at the club, particularly when Keane left, something which affected many of the players.

[choda]

But surely even if Harry wants to pay £20 million,he is still vastly overpriced.So if Jones did go for £20 million,that would be the same fee that Keane went to Liverpool for.Keane went for that money because he is proven quality.You do not EVER pay £20 million for 'potential'.
That is why I will go for Crouch.We know what to expect from him and his game has visibly improved over the last few years.And no one would ever question his attitude and commitment.He did have an understanding with JD at Pompey and that could also work with Crouch and Keane.
Crouch isn't the ideal solution for us,but rather him than Jones any day of the week.

I've seen enough of Jones to believe he has proven what he would do at spurs. I know many disagree and that's fine, but I believe he would be a £20 million player here, even if I baulk at the price now and would prefer to pay £12 million.

But I'd pay the damn thing and be done with it because I think it's an opportunity, one that you might miss otherwise, after missing out on Milito already.

I know some people also say it was only his first season that was so impressive, but he was also devastating for 12 games when he came back from injury this year and then every player at sunderland went to pot after that when Sbragia's honeymoon period ended.

Yes, he did look like he was struggling for confidence and not putting enough effort in, but that goes for nearly all of them, they were in freefall. If Roy had still been there I'd imagine Jones would've kept up his form and work rate, along with Steed, Richiardson, Reid and their other better players, or kicked on further in his career.

Seems to me that if you gave Jones a bigger platform and bigger players to play with he'd really come alive.

[Rojoknapp]

Jones has never from what i'm aware, shown any side of a bad attitude at Sunderland. There was a dressing room rift at the club which involved, at the time, Diouf, Chimbonda, and more recently, Cisse, who was dropped and sent back to France after hearing that we were apparently in for him. Jones though, has always kept his head down and stayed out of the rifts at the club, particularly when Keane left, something which affected many of the players.

Loads of people this season have been saying that Jones is very lazy and often doesn't show up when he doesn't feel like it.

[Lilywhite Lad]

Loads of people this season have been saying that Jones is very lazy and often doesn't show up when he doesn't feel like it.

Oh yeah, i will admit he has been lazy, i was just saying he doesn't show an attitude problem, i.e Berbatov, who is lazy and sulks when he feels like it. Like i say though, he has shown how good he is and when he is on form, he is one hell of a player, it's just getting the consistency and potential out of him, which i believe Harry can do.

[gomessi]

But surely even if Harry wants to pay £20 million,he is still vastly overpriced.So if Jones did go for £20 million,that would be the same fee that Keane went to Liverpool for.Keane went for that money because he is proven quality.You do not EVER pay £20 million for 'potential'.
That is why I will go for Crouch.We know what to expect from him and his game has visibly improved over the last few years.And no one would ever question his attitude and commitment.He did have an understanding with JD at Pompey and that could also work with Crouch and Keane.
Crouch isn't the ideal solution for us,but rather him than Jones any day of the week.

I honestly can see where you are coming from really I can. I mean who would be stupid enough to offer some russian team £25m for a player thats only started performing at 25 (not true btw but thats what most fans were saying).

Now guess identity of the player!! :001_smile:

Would I be stupid to offer £20m for a young spaniard with potential, who had 2 spanish caps to his name, ultimatly wasnt considered good enough by real and barca and only interested 1 english team (yes just the one:scared: :sad: ) real didnt offer a high enough price and he moved to an english team for a lower value (like the arshavin story - we offered less than arsenal).

I guess we should stick to your average prem players why the hell should I go for potential.

As it happens the mystery player I'm talking about turned out to be rather good can anyone guess who it is.

Ok I'll give everyone a clue.

I was met with this reposnse as typical.

"If he is worth £10-15m why would you want to play £25m"

"sean davis is proven for fulham mate. this spaniard has done **** all, and you'd pay £25m for a player with only 1 more intl cap then our a gardner stick to champ manager blah blah":lol:

How much you play for a player depends 100% on how you think he will perform for your club.

btw this isnt gloating its showing an example of where an opinion although appearing a bit crazy should be backed. I've made mistakes previously like bentley so I'm no expert its only an opinion.

Paying £20m for jones is crazy but its OK to be the only crazy one. Make it 2 now I'm with choda I'd offer £20m. i think harry could turn him into a £20m player.

“A question that sometimes drives me crazy: am I or are the others crazy?”

[TURKISH]

If people are moaning at paying Charlton 16million for Bent when the lad has scored goals then I would like to see them with Jones who is equally frustrated but with less goals.

Potential should never cost anymore than 7million.

[Shelfside]

I honestly can see where you are coming from really I can. I mean who would be stupid enough to offer some russian team £25m for a player thats only started performing at 25 (not true btw but thats what most fans were saying).

Now guess identity of the player!! :001_smile:

Would I be stupid to offer £20m for a young spaniard with potential, who had 2 spanish caps to his name, ultimatly wasnt considered good enough by real and barca and only interested 1 english team (yes just the one:scared: :sad: ) real didnt offer a high enough price and he moved to an english team for a lower value (like the arshavin story - we offered less than arsenal).

I guess we should stick to your average prem players why the hell should I go for potential.

As it happens the mystery player I'm talking about turned out to be rather good can anyone guess who it is.

Ok I'll give everyone a clue.

I was met with this reposnse as typical.

"If he is worth £10-15m why would you want to play £25m"

"sean davis is proven for fulham mate. this spaniard has done **** all, and you'd pay £25m for a player with only 1 more intl cap then our a gardner stick to champ manager blah blah":lol:

How much you play for a player depends 100% on how you think he will perform for your club.

btw this isnt gloating its showing an example of where an opinion although appearing a bit crazy should be backed. I've made mistakes previously like bentley so I'm no expert its only an opinion.

Paying £20m for jones is crazy but its OK to be the only crazy one. Make it 2 now I'm with choda I'd offer £20m. i think harry could turn him into a £20m player.

“A question that sometimes drives me crazy: am I or are the others crazy?”

You pay £20 million for a player who has played at least two consecutive,solid seasons in top flight football.Why didn't Ferguson buy Carrick from West Ham in the first place?.He would have saved himself £14 million by doing so,but he saw the potential in Carrick and decided to bide his time.Ferguson saw the potential in Carrick confirmed by the performances that he gave for us.He may have payed over the odds for him,but he knew that now there would be no risk in buying him for that money.
I remember when we paid £4.5 million for Chris Armstrong.He was bought as being both 'potential' and Jurgen's replacement.:lol: Hmm,that one didn't quite work out did it?.What about Gareth Bale?.His career,not helped by injuries obviously,has gone backwards.Even Lennon is still not the finished article.And what about John Bostock?.Shouldn't we start to concentrate on helping him to reach his potential?.
And when you spend £20 million on a striker,you would expect a return of 20-25 goals a season.Do you think Jones would get that for us?.I very much doubt that.

[Rojoknapp]

You pay £20 million for a player who has played at least two consecutive,solid seasons in top flight football.Why didn't Ferguson buy Carrick from West Ham in the first place?.He would have saved himself £14 million by doing so,but he saw the potential in Carrick and decided to bide his time.Ferguson saw the potential in Carrick confirmed by the performances that he gave for us.He may have payed over the odds for him,but he knew that now there would be no risk in buying him for that money.
I remember when we paid £4.5 million for Chris Armstrong.He was bought as being both 'potential' and Jurgen's replacement.:lol: Hmm,that one didn't quite work out did it?.What about Gareth Bale?.His career,not helped by injuries obviously,has gone backwards.Even Lennon is still not the finished article.And what about John Bostock?.Shouldn't we start to concentrate on helping him to reach his potential?.
And when you spend £20 million on a striker,you would expect a return of 20-25 goals a season.Do you think Jones would get that for us?.I very much doubt that.

I think that's the most important thing. When you think that Liverpool paid 26 million for Torres, and then imagine buying Jones for 20 million! It's a stupid amount of money to pay for someone of his quality.

[Keanoldinho]

20 mil for Jones would be robbery, I rate the guy but he's not a 20 mil striker shit Berby our best striker since Sheringham only cost what 10.9mil and he's way better than Jones.

If we've got 20 mil for a striker throw a bid in for Benzema he'll hit the ground running like Torres did he's got that same powerful direct style but we'd have to pay him some good money every week ie break our wage structure.

[gomessi]

You pay £20 million for a player who has played at least two consecutive,solid seasons in top flight football.Why didn't Ferguson buy Carrick from West Ham in the first place?.He would have saved himself £14 million by doing so,but he saw the potential in Carrick and decided to bide his time.Ferguson saw the potential in Carrick confirmed by the performances that he gave for us.He may have payed over the odds for him,but he knew that now there would be no risk in buying him for that money.
I remember when we paid £4.5 million for Chris Armstrong.He was bought as being both 'potential' and Jurgen's replacement.:lol: Hmm,that one didn't quite work out did it?.What about Gareth Bale?.His career,not helped by injuries obviously,has gone backwards.Even Lennon is still not the finished article.And what about John Bostock?.Shouldn't we start to concentrate on helping him to reach his potential?.
And when you spend £20 million on a striker,you would expect a return of 20-25 goals a season.Do you think Jones would get that for us?.I very much doubt that.

I can see where you are coming from but remember if harry ****s it up he carries the blame. So if he really wants him and tells levy to splash £20m on him and he flops then harry will be the one under pressure. On tthe flip side if he works out then harry takes the credit its all about how much you trust the manager at the end of the day.

Since harry has been here I've been impressed by what he say we need and sometimes that can mean paying over the odds. £14m for palacios at the time seemed a bit steep for a player that only had 1.5 season in the epl and only the only other party interested were man city.

The player I was mysteriously alluding to was xabi alonso.

I was all out for going for him even paying over the odds and thats an example of where sometimes being irrational is OK.

we ended up with sean davis!

drogba first season in england: 10 epl goals 26 app, 16 goals from 41 app
drogba second season in eng: 12 epl goals 29 app, 16 goals from 40 app

its not all about goals.I can remember some chelsea fans/ other fans saying drobga doesnt score enough....

I can remember some spurs fans saying arshavin doesnt score enough....

Its not just about goals and sometimes there are reasonswhyplayers arent as prolific as they should be (e.g. arshavn rarly played as a striker and drogba did a lot of work outside the box allowing others to shine).

If harry thinks jones is drogbaesque I havent got a problem with paying. However if harry thinks he was a player that was needed to get us out of the mess we were in but isnt ultimatly good enough then he'll avoid jones.

I think harry does rate hm but now the deal wont be possible with all the money thats coming sunderlands way. The only chance of a transfer would be if jones is desperate to move to us.

btw I was stongly against darren bent especially when you considered we had berba + keane and jd did a good job as a third choice so spending £16m was just stupid. :sad:

[gomessi]

20 mil for Jones would be robbery, I rate the guy but he's not a 20 mil striker shit Berby our best striker since Sheringham only cost what 10.9mil and he's way better than Jones.

If we've got 20 mil for a striker throw a bid in for Benzema he'll hit the ground running like Torres did he's got that same powerful direct style but we'd have to pay him some good money every week ie break our wage structure.

I'd asy we've got less than 5% chance of getting him even if we could matc their asking price. Our wage structure and the fact he will have other cubs makes this a non starter IMO.

Lavezzi is up for sale and he'd be just as good as arshavin. :001_smile:

[Gino Ginelli]

Harry is only talking about bringing proven and experienced players in, so it all becomes a bit moot really.

Are we really after a striker though. If Pav's staying, and Bent leaving then 3 top strikers is easier to manage than four. I say we're solving a problem getting rid of one and not replacing them.

[choda]

I can see where you are coming from but remember if harry ****s it up he carries the blame. So if he really wants him and tells levy to splash £20m on him and he flops then harry will be the one under pressure. On tthe flip side if he works out then harry takes the credit its all about how much you trust the manager at the end of the day.

Since harry has been here I've been impressed by what he say we need and sometimes that can mean paying over the odds. £14m for palacios at the time seemed a bit steep for a player that only had 1.5 season in the epl and only the only other party interested were man city.

The player I was mysteriously alluding to was xabi alonso.

I was all out for going for him even paying over the odds and thats an example of where sometimes being irrational is OK.

we ended up with sean davis!

drogba first season in england: 10 epl goals 26 app, 16 goals from 41 app
drogba second season in eng: 12 epl goals 29 app, 16 goals from 40 app

its not all about goals.I can remember some chelsea fans/ other fans saying drobga doesnt score enough....

I can remember some spurs fans saying arshavin doesnt score enough....

Its not just about goals and sometimes there are reasonswhyplayers arent as prolific as they should be (e.g. arshavn rarly played as a striker and drogba did a lot of work outside the box allowing others to shine).

If harry thinks jones is drogbaesque I havent got a problem with paying. However if harry thinks he was a player that was needed to get us out of the mess we were in but isnt ultimatly good enough then he'll avoid jones.

I think harry does rate hm but now the deal wont be possible with all the money thats coming sunderlands way. The only chance of a transfer would be if jones is desperate to move to us.

btw I was stongly against darren bent especially when you considered we had berba + keane and jd did a good job as a third choice so spending £16m was just stupid. :sad:

People talk some awful cock at times. Saying Drogba doesn't score enough is just nonsense. If he took pens then Lampard would score half as much and he'd have been up there with Ruud and Henry for scoring. I never get how many people don't notice these things as they are large factors.

You often see stats on sky sports too saying so many appearances little goals but how many games started is crucial to that stat.

If they really had something to complain about it should have been that first season his hold up play was actually hit and miss, second, third season he was just exceptional, end of story.

[earl warwick]

Deleted duh duh.

[choda]

Are you sure you haven't ridiculed gomessi enough and not dismissed his views as harshly as you could have?

You made some relevant points, but I can't help feeling this is exactly the type of post that you criticise others for posting, one that supposedly leads to members leaving the forum.

I wasn't ridiculing him at all. I was agreeing with him. Where do you get that from?

It's not all about goals, it's about overall contribution and putting stats in the correct context, which is what he was saying.

[earl warwick]

I wasn't ridiculing him at all. I was agreeing with him. Where do you get that from?

It's not all about goals, it's about overall contribution and putting stats in the correct context, which is what he was saying.

Apologies, I didn't read half of it. His posts are starting to exceed yours in length.