Brother of Palacios found dead

[choda]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1179499/Police-search-body-Spurs-midfielder-Palacioss-young-brother.html?ITO=1490

They found the poor kid dead. Only good thing I can't think of is the family can now move on. But what a tragic story. At least the agony of not knowing is over for them though.

I'm sure the club and the lads will support Wilson through what is bound to be a really tough time for him.

Him and Defoe both lose brothers violently in a week. Scary.

[TURKISH]

Will he be playing tomorrow now?

[choda]

Will he be playing tomorrow now?

Who knows pal.

[gomessi]

Will he be playing tomorrow now?


Pal wont be in a fit state of mind to play for the rest of the season. My condolances go out to his family and I hope palacios and his family are able to get through this.

If palacios wants to stop playing for the rest of the season I will bemore than happy to let him finish early. If he wants to play then its alright.

RIP.

[Chewy]

Doubt it. Thoughts and prayers are with Wilson and his family :(.

Modric-jenas-huddlestone-bale tomorrow?

[Mattyboii]

R.I.P
but they havent confirmed it is him yet
the family are still in doubt because there needs to be forensics run
so for all we know pal could play.
I dont see why people wouldnt understand if he didnt play for the rest of the
season. God this has been going on since 2007 right? my prayers are with the family

[hastingsyid]

kin hell.............................rip

[Indianspur]

RIp, bsstards whoever did this! he was only a kid and i hope they cut their balls off!

[MarlowSpurs]

Rip

But what the fvck is going on with spurs players and their brothers???

[peterc]

Sad news, May he rest in peace. Choda for crying out load, when are you going to spell his surname right?. PALACIOS.

[Spur]

Not confirmed.

[earl warwick]

A small point.

Jade Gavin Defoe was Jermain's half-brother, the one conceived by Jermain's dad, a drug addict and dealer, whilst Jermain's mom was pregnant with Jermain. Jermain wasn't really close to Gavin, more like an old casual friend, one that he sometimes met at family occasions. Gavin was involved in affairs outside of normal life, perhaps drug-related. He was killed by an associate who thought he had burgled his flat.

Wilson's brother was kidnapped and held for a ransom, which was paid for $500k. Then he has been killed.

There is a clear qualitative difference in these occurrences.

[gomessi]

A small point.

Jade Gavin Defoe was Jermain's half-brother, the one conceived by Jermain's dad, a drug addict and dealer, whilst Jermain's mom was pregnant with Jermain. Jermain wasn't really close to Gavin, more like an old casual friend, one that he sometimes met at family occasions. Gavin was involved in affairs outside of normal life, perhaps drug-related. He was killed by an associate who thought he had burgled his flat.

Wilson's brother was kidnapped and held for a ransom, which was paid for $500k. Then he has been killed.

There is a clear qualitative difference in these occurrences.

you know what you really are uncompassionate retard.

The guy was killed ffs :cursing:

If his dad was a drug dealer why the **** does it matter its not something that justifies the horrible end Gavin met.

I remember you stating it was only a story because it was a footballers brother and whilst thats true it shows you to be a cold hearted barstad.

Both deaths are equally tragic.

[earl warwick]

They are not. Was it a horrible end? He was punched and hit his head on concrete, suffering a skull fracture which killed him. It was unfortunate, the assailant didn't mean to kill him, but not especially horrible.

I set out the differences in the relationship between the 2 sets of brothers. Do deaths have a qualitative difference between them? Clearly they do.

Both deaths are not equally tragic. If they are, then all deaths are equally tragic. That you cannot see that is a lack of experience in life. All lives do not have the same value. They just have the same biology.

I repeat what I said about Gavin Defoe's death. Not one person here would have given a damn unless he had been connected with a Spurs player. Anyone that denies that is a complete liar, or delusional.

[yid1962]

very very sad if true for anyone to deal with this kind of thing!!! but still no confirmation...

i'm sure wilson would have been told before hand & be aware of whats going on & theres nothing on the o/site saying he's not playing or has ben pulled from todays game.. which i'm sure he will be if the above is true.

[singapore spur]

I repeat what I said about Gavin Defoe's death. Not one person here would have given a damn unless he had been connected with a Spurs player. Anyone that denies that is a complete liar, or delusional.


you can say that about palacios brother as well , there wouldnt be a thread on it for sure .
but thats an unfortunate bi-product of the all covering news media we have today .
so many deaths , cruelty , evil , are reported daily that people do get de-senisitised (why do i feel i need a v in there somewhere ) and it is only when there is a personal link , however tenuous , that something like this really hits home .
now this may sound cold hearted to some , especially the younger members , but unless you want to get weighed down to a point of depression and impotent inertia , by every injustice or unnatural death in this world , you have to pick and choose when to get outraged .


anyway my condolences to palacios and his family , i would guess, dependant on where his family are , that will be his season finished

[gomessi]

They are not. Was it a horrible end? He was punched and hit his head on concrete, suffering a skull fracture which killed him. It was unfortunate, the assailant didn't mean to kill him, but not especially horrible.

I set out the differences in the relationship between the 2 sets of brothers. Do deaths have a qualitative difference between them? Clearly they do.

Both deaths are not equally tragic. If they are, then all deaths are equally tragic. That you cannot see that is a lack of experience in life. All lives do not have the same value. They just have the same biology.

I repeat what I said about Gavin Defoe's death. Not one person here would have given a damn unless he had been connected with a Spurs player. Anyone that denies that is a complete liar, or delusional.

:thumbdown:

oh dear.

you really do sound very cold hearted.

When someone dies do you automatically think hey could you tell me how the person died I want to know if it was a tragic death then I'd feel some compassion. Do you **** its always sad when someone passes away.

Why is it delusional to feel sad upon hearing the death of a fellow human being. :confused1:

[StevenYTID]

Yeah I don't think you're gonna back down from this one any soon , I agree with you GM.
But at the end of the day , until its conf'd I won't give up hope of his brother being alive.

[Mattyboii]

**** me earl that is cold hearted
a person is a person, when their life ends, it ends
and no matter who it is, its someones family, it dont matter who their family is, i couldnt care less if it was 2 hobos! It is still heart wrenching, it was still his brother. Half brother? STILL HIS BRO! Still very tragic, they werent killed
they were murdered. Makes it worse. **** man

[earl warwick]

When somebody dies, I don't automatically proclaim feelings that I don't have, as many did when Princess Diana did, people finding community in mourning someone they never remotely knew, and who seemed to have little value outside of marrying into the Royal Family.

Palacio's brother's death IS a tragedy, a 16 year old kid kidnapped for a ransom that was paid, and then killed. Regardless of him being a Spurs player, it is something that everyone can identify with, whether or not you have a brother. Empathy comes easy.

Does anyone really hear of deaths and regret them with all their heart? GM is sanctimonious to the highest degree, and Steve seems to be following him. Dying is part of life. Does anyone really regret someone killed in a brutal murder, when they then realise that the victim was implicated in other brutal murders(not an allusion to Gavin Defoe)? I don't contact the victim's family and delight in their sorrow, I just don't pretend it means anything to me.

People die every day, some are tragic(16 year old girl hit by police car speeding at over 100mph), but many are not. It is rampant dishonesty to pretend, like gm, that it is always sad when someone dies. It isn't. An innocent life cut short is always to be regretted, but there is an old adage that says if you swim with sharks you will eventually be bitten.

Unsurprisingly, I didn't phone Jermain to tell him of my conclusion, but neither did I pretend that I thought it was a tragedy.

[earl warwick]

**** me earl that is cold hearted
a person is a person, when their life ends, it ends
and no matter who it is, its someones family, it dont matter who their family is, i couldnt care less if it was 2 hobos! It is still heart wrenching, it was still his brother. Half brother? STILL HIS BRO! Still very tragic, they werent killed
they were murdered. Makes it worse. **** man

Not murder, Matty. The bloke punched him in the face and he fell back and hit his head on concrete. Manslaughter. He didn't mean to kill him.

I'm not ridiculing the death, but it means nothing to me. If you want, I'll PM you and others on the board every day with details of every death the day before, just so you can all emote more and feel very humble and depressed. My guess is that if I did, you'd all delete the message without reading it after day one.

People say I'm cold-hearted. Untrue. I'm actually one of the warmest, biggest humanitarians you're likely to meet. I just don't pretend and feel aggrieved when others mouth feelings they simply can't have, and react in a superior fashion when challenged on it.

[choda]

When somebody dies, I don't automatically proclaim feelings that I don't have, as many did when Princess Diana did, people finding community in mourning someone they never remotely knew, and who seemed to have little value outside of marrying into the Royal Family.

Palacio's brother's death IS a tragedy, a 16 year old kid kidnapped for a ransom that was paid, and then killed. Regardless of him being a Spurs player, it is something that everyone can identify with, whether or not you have a brother. Empathy comes easy.

Does anyone really hear of deaths and regret them with all their heart? GM is sanctimonious to the highest degree, and Steve seems to be following him. Dying is part of life. Does anyone really regret someone killed in a brutal murder, when they then realise that the victim was implicated in other brutal murders(not an allusion to Gavin Defoe)? I don't contact the victim's family and delight in their sorrow, I just don't pretend it means anything to me.

People die every day, some are tragic(16 year old girl hit by police car speeding at over 100mph), but many are not. It is rampant dishonesty to pretend, like gm, that it is always sad when someone dies. It isn't. An innocent life cut short is always to be regretted, but there is an old adage that says if you swim with sharks you will eventually be bitten.

Unsurprisingly, I didn't phone Jermain to tell him of my conclusion, but neither did I pretend that I thought it was a tragedy.

Jesus pal, you do live in your own world. It's almost autistic. Asperger's syndrome perhaps.

People react to things differently.

People know and respect Palacious so they just feel sympathy for him and Defoe. That's it. Of course it doesn't really impact them.

There's a story when there is something more real about it, like if you know the person, even at a large distance, so it does become more real to an extent.

But I don't see people crying in the streets.

The whole Diana thing was a great mystery to me. I kept thinking, why are these people so upset? They don't know her.

But I haven't seen anything crazy on this thread.

[hastingsyid]

fvck sake here we fvcking go again,almost every fvcking thread same old shit

[Shelfside]

When somebody dies, I don't automatically proclaim feelings that I don't have, as many did when Princess Diana did, people finding community in mourning someone they never remotely knew, and who seemed to have little value outside of marrying into the Royal Family.

Palacio's brother's death IS a tragedy, a 16 year old kid kidnapped for a ransom that was paid, and then killed. Regardless of him being a Spurs player, it is something that everyone can identify with, whether or not you have a brother. Empathy comes easy.

Does anyone really hear of deaths and regret them with all their heart? GM is sanctimonious to the highest degree, and Steve seems to be following him. Dying is part of life. Does anyone really regret someone killed in a brutal murder, when they then realise that the victim was implicated in other brutal murders(not an allusion to Gavin Defoe)? I don't contact the victim's family and delight in their sorrow, I just don't pretend it means anything to me.

People die every day, some are tragic(16 year old girl hit by police car speeding at over 100mph), but many are not. It is rampant dishonesty to pretend, like gm, that it is always sad when someone dies. It isn't. An innocent life cut short is always to be regretted, but there is an old adage that says if you swim with sharks you will eventually be bitten.

Unsurprisingly, I didn't phone Jermain to tell him of my conclusion, but neither did I pretend that I thought it was a tragedy.

It is hard to see anything wrong in what you have posted there Earl.
Let's say the Spurs connection in these stories didn't exist and we all read about them in the papers.
A guy who has been implicated in serious crime and is known amongst the criminal fraternity,is killed after hitting his head on concrete after being punched.Tragedy or something that was going to happen to him soon or later,given his lifestyle and connections?.
A 16 year old boy is kidnapped.The ransom is paid but he is still killed.Tragedy or an horrific tragedy?.
Boys like Anthony Walker,who was murdered by Joey Barton's brother and one other scumbag or teen gang victim Damilola Taylor are tragic deaths because they were innocent and simply victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.Or stories about how at least 25-30 young people in Bridgend have taken their own lives are equally tragic.
What about Jade Goody?.Did any of you feel sad about her death?.I couldn't have given a shite.There are young mothers and fathers dying every day.All without the chance to sell their own death to the media on the painfully transparent excuse of 'it's for my kids future'.Yet we were instructed by the media to believe that she was the bravest woman in the world and you are a heartless inhuman monster if you don't agree with that.People who are dying of cancer in abject poverty all over the world are a million times more braver than she ever was.
I cannot abide nauseating sentimentality.That is something I hate about modern society.Save your grief for something or someone who truly deserves grieving over,because in the end you will devalue grief into something that is worthless.
And that would be a tragedy in itself.

[choda]

It is hard to see anything wrong in what you have posted there Earl.
Let's say the Spurs connection in these stories didn't exist and we all read about them in the papers.
A guy who has been implicated in serious crime and is known amongst the criminal fraternity,is killed after hitting his head on concrete after being punched.Tragedy or something that was going to happen to him soon or later,given his lifestyle and connections?.
A 16 year old boy is kidnapped.The ransom is paid but he is still killed.Tragedy or an horrific tragedy?.
Boys like Anthony Walker,who was murdered by Joey Barton's brother and one other scumbag or teen gang victim Damilola Taylor are tragic deaths because they were innocent and simply victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.Or stories about how at least 25-30 young people in Bridgend have taken their own lives are equally tragic.
What about Jade Goody?.Did any of you feel sad about her death?.I couldn't have given a shite.There are young mothers and fathers dying every day.All without the chance to sell their own death to the media on the painfully transparent excuse of 'it's for my kids future'.Yet we were instructed by the media to believe that she was the bravest woman in the world and you are a heartless inhuman monster if you don't agree with that.People who are dying of cancer in abject poverty all over the world are a million times more braver than she ever was.
I cannot abide nauseating sentimentality.That is something I hate about modern society.Save your grief for something or someone who truly deserves grieving over,because in the end you will devalue grief into something that is worthless.
And that would be a tragedy in itself.

All this stuff is pretty obvious, why is it being discussed? Why was Earl being so vociferous?

A people said, that's not nice what has happened, that's it. :001_rolleyes:

No biggie, we don't know these people but they are still human beings and these things can happen to any family.

I don't know anything about Defoe's brother, but all I would say is it is an unpleasant death and must have been hard on Jermain.

The reason we have reason to discuss it in brief is because they are stories heavily related to spurs players, that's all. :001_rolleyes:

[Milney yid]

It is hard to see anything wrong in what you have posted there Earl.
Let's say the Spurs connection in these stories didn't exist and we all read about them in the papers.
A guy who has been implicated in serious crime and is known amongst the criminal fraternity,is killed after hitting his head on concrete after being punched.Tragedy or something that was going to happen to him soon or later,given his lifestyle and connections?.
A 16 year old boy is kidnapped.The ransom is paid but he is still killed.Tragedy or an horrific tragedy?.
Boys like Anthony Walker,who was murdered by Joey Barton's brother and one other scumbag or teen gang victim Damilola Taylor are tragic deaths because they were innocent and simply victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.Or stories about how at least 25-30 young people in Bridgend have taken their own lives are equally tragic.
What about Jade Goody?.Did any of you feel sad about her death?.I couldn't have given a shite.There are young mothers and fathers dying every day.All without the chance to sell their own death to the media on the painfully transparent excuse of 'it's for my kids future'.Yet we were instructed by the media to believe that she was the bravest woman in the world and you are a heartless inhuman monster if you don't agree with that.People who are dying of cancer in abject poverty all over the world are a million times more braver than she ever was.I cannot abide nauseating sentimentality.That is something I hate about modern society.Save your grief for something or someone who truly deserves grieving over,because in the end you will devalue grief into something that is worthless.
And that would be a tragedy in itself.


Was agreeing with you up until there, but that was a ridiculous statement. You think that for well-off people who get cancer its not as bad just because they have more money? Of course it isn't. Rich or poor, a disease which could potentially cause death is not any better or worse for anyone. You can't just go round saying that people living in England with cancer aren't as brave as people living in Africa with cancer.
As for this whole thread, I think it's ridiculous. Surely we should respect any human being who has died, regardless of the reason behind it. Of course it's impossible to become sad over every single death, but at the same time it's almost inhumane to mock the dead. If Jermaine Defoe's brother died due to drug dealing, shouldn't we feel sadness that he got to that point in the first place? There must have been some factors behind him turning out the way he did. I think some people on this board need to take a long look at themselves, because considering any death better than another is frankly madness.

[Shelfside]

I think that you and others have missed the entire point Choda.An r.i.p message can be posted about Palacios' brother because it is a genuine tragedy.That isn't the case with Defoe's brother.If it had been Mr.Nobody that had died,then no-one would have cared.But if the Palacios story hadn't been Spurs related,then that still could have made it onto the general chat forum as it is an horrific story.

[choda]

I think that you and others have missed the entire point Choda.An r.i.p message can be posted about Palacios' brother because it is a genuine tragedy.That isn't the case with Defoe's brother.If it had been Mr.Nobody that had died,then no-one would have cared.But if the Palacios story hadn't been Spurs related,then that still could have made it onto the general chat forum as it is an horrific story.

I think you are being callous, that's what I think. And people can post what ever the hell they want. If you don't like it ignore it.

I don't know anything about Defoe's brother and neither do you. It wasn't a nice death what ever the background story.

[Shelfside]

I think you are being callous, that's what I think. And people can post what ever the hell they want. If you don't like it ignore it.

I don't know anything about Defoe's brother and neither do you. It wasn't a nice death what ever the background story.

Yes people can post whatever they like and if someone disagrees with that then they have the right to post the counterpoint view.
And it's got nothing to do with being callous.There are deaths and there are tragic deaths,there is a difference.

[earl warwick]

I think you are being callous, that's what I think. And people can post what ever the hell they want. If you don't like it ignore it.

I don't know anything about Defoe's brother and neither do you. It wasn't a nice death what ever the background story.

He probably does know. He must have read it as I did. That you did not does not mean we all share your apathy.

You can equally ignore all the posts on here you don't like. If we all did that, there would be no forum.

[choda]

Yes people can post whatever they like and if someone disagrees with that then they have the right to post the counterpoint view.
And it's got nothing to do with being callous.There are deaths and there are tragic deaths,there is a difference.

Yea, but expect deserved abuse in some cases.

Any young death is a tragedy to me. I'll say again about Jade Defoe, how the f*ck do you know anything about him?

And even if he was involved in shady things, isn't that sad, something to be lamented, looked at and try to change these wasteful lives and early deaths?

I think debating the merits of the tradgies of two young men dying the way you two are is making a bad situation worse and having your fingers stuck in your ears instead of a little fair mindedness and empathy.

[Shelfside]

Yea, but expect deserved abuse in some cases.

Any young death is a tragedy to me. I'll say again about Jade Defoe, how the f*ck do you know anything about him?

And even if he was involved in shady things, isn't that sad, something to be lamented, looked at and try to change these wasteful lives and early deaths?

I think debating the merits of the tradgies of two young men dying the way you two are is making a bad situation worse and having your fingers stuck in your ears instead of a little fair mindedness and empathy.

The end result is the same for Defoe and Palacios,but the circumstances of their brother's death's are markedly different.
Do you think for one second that Defoe is going through the personal hell that Palacios and his family is?.How long was that boy held captive for?.Can you imagine trying to conduct anything resembling a 'normal' life whilst that is going on?.No you can't can you.And after all of the waiting and frantic negotiations,the ransom is paid and they think that the nightmare is over.But no,the nightmare hadn't even finished.The worst happens and the boy is killed.
And this is what you and a few others who are on their moral high horse cannot see:
The death of Defoe's brother is something that he and his family will get over.
The death of Palacios' brother is something that he and his family will NEVER get over.

[choda]

The end result is the same for Defoe and Palacios,but the circumstances of their brother's death's are markedly different.
Do you think for one second that Defoe is going through the personal hell that Palacios and his family is?.How long was that boy held captive for?.Can you imagine trying to conduct anything resembling a 'normal' life whilst that is going on?.No you can't can you.And after all of the waiting and frantic negotiations,the ransom is paid and they think that the nightmare is over.But no,the nightmare hadn't even finished.The worst happens and the boy is killed.
And this is what you and a few others who are on their moral high horse cannot see:
The death of Defoe's brother is something that he and his family will get over.
The death of Palacios' brother is something that he and his family will NEVER get over.

I wasn't disagreeing. And how do you know anyway?

You're the one on the high horse. I'm just wishing them both well.

I'd imagine Wilson has gone through hell far more than Defoe due to the nature of it and the amount of time it went on, not knowing etc. Anything else I don't know about. My heart goes out to him. But he seems like a strong kid.

[Mattyboii]

Not murder, Matty. The bloke punched him in the face and he fell back and hit his head on concrete. Manslaughter. He didn't mean to kill him.

I'm not ridiculing the death, but it means nothing to me. If you want, I'll PM you and others on the board every day with details of every death the day before, just so you can all emote more and feel very humble and depressed. My guess is that if I did, you'd all delete the message without reading it after day one.

People say I'm cold-hearted. Untrue. I'm actually one of the warmest, biggest humanitarians you're likely to meet. I just don't pretend and feel aggrieved when others mouth feelings they simply can't have, and react in a superior fashion when challenged on it.

manslaughter is a form of murder though isnt it? (serious question)
he was murdered but by accident

anyway this thread should seriously be closed, we dont need to argue over death it is morbid and disgusting and these are peoples opinions and views i dont think people need to see. Also we want more people on this forum then i dont think they need this

[gomessi]

Yea, but expect deserved abuse in some cases.

Any young death is a tragedy to me. I'll say again about Jade Defoe, how the f*ck do you know anything about him?

And even if he was involved in shady things, isn't that sad, something to be lamented, looked at and try to change these wasteful lives and early deaths?

I think debating the merits of the tradgies of two young men dying the way you two are is making a bad situation worse and having your fingers stuck in your ears instead of a little fair mindedness and empathy.

hit the nail on the head.

[SurreySpur]

I got to agree with Matty on this one.....i reckon this thread has run its course and should be wrapped up.

[Spur]

I got to agree with Matty on this one.....i reckon this thread has run its course and should be wrapped up.

Very well.