Defoe or Carrick?

[Hayes Massive]

There has been a lot of talk regarding the sale of either Defoe or Carrick with a very mixed view as to which if it happens you would least like to go.
For me i would prefer ,with our current squad to keep Defoe.
Plenty of options for me without Carrick,a lot less without Defoe.

[Spur]

I agree. But in an ideal world neither would should go.

[spurs61]

I'd keep Defoe on the basis that we have three strikers and 33 central midfielders, of whom three can easily replace Carrick. (Jenas, Murphy and Zokora).

[peterc]

I would keep Carrick, personally don't rate Defoe that much. A prolific striker knows when and where to be at the right time.

[JJ]

I think we have adequate cover for Carrick if he were to go, not so much for Defoe. So i would rather see Carrick leave... sadly.

[Chinaman]

Definitely Defoe.

[JJ]

Definely Defoe.

I think i deleted your post before while you were deleting the other one.

Sorry about that. :p

[mjbmedia]

I would keep Carrick, personally don't rate Defoe that much. A prolific striker knows when and where to be at the right time.
absolutely and wouldnt it be great if he was given the ball when he was in those positions rather than having to go around the field foraging for possession, maybe this season our forwards wil lbe rewarded for the runs they so often made in vain.

[Chinaman]

I think i deleted your post before while you were deleting the other one.

Sorry about that. :p

No wonder. But I've been having problem with editing and then there was about an hour or so when I couldn't get to the site, or when I'm in, I could not change topics.

[highlander]

Carrick is a first on the team sheet every week, Defoe isnt. simple as

[singapore spur]

rather defoe stayed , as stated more cover for carrick

[Welsh Spur]

Carrick is not as good as everyone seems to think, even manure are stalling now, with a diff player last season doing his job, i.e zokora, we would have been higher. end of. and Defoe is top class, last season his attitude was bad as he took his place for granted, but now he and keane and berbatov will have to fight it out and the three look up for it.

On another note, apparetly Mido is very close to joining blackburn. i will be gutted if he has a troublefree, succesful time there. He would have been great here.

[Chinaman]

If what is said about Barbie is true, then we've got a better player.

[highlander]

On another note, apparetly Mido is very close to joining blackburn. i will be gutted if he has a troublefree, succesful time there. He would have been great here.

my thoughts exactly, didnt read this post but ive started a thread about it

[spurs61]

If what is said about Barbie is true, then we've got a better player.

Exactly! As I said before (possibly on the old OTS forum), if they were cars Mido would be a Subaru and Barbie would be a Porsche. They do the same job, one just does a bit better and with a bit more style and panache.

[peterc]

absolutely and wouldnt it be great if he was given the ball when he was in those positions rather than having to go around the field foraging for possession, maybe this season our forwards wil lbe rewarded for the runs they so often made in vain.
Or was it maybe he could not care less because he was coming on as a sub and sulked throughout the remainder of the match, come on we all support the same team here, Defoe is not Spurs, he is a part of the team and last year it was proven that we survived most of the premiership without his constant contribution. i am happy for him that so far he has played well in the friendlies, hopefully he will also show us how capable he is when it matters.

[gbspur72]

Defoe must be kept ,end of story.I think last season will have taught him a lot
and he will come out fireing on all cylinders.If we have any sort of success there will be plenty of playing time for all our strikers. Although there is no doubt Carrick is a quality player i belive Jenas will be a better foil for Zakora anyway and with Edgar,Teemu and Hudd in the squad we have more than ample cover in the centre of midfield.Lets hope the Duff deal comes off and will have one of the strongest midfields in the prem Carrick or no Carrick.

[mjbmedia]

Or was it maybe he could not care less because he was coming on as a sub and sulked throughout the remainder of the match, come on we all support the same team here, Defoe is not Spurs, he is a part of the team and last year it was proven that we survived most of the premiership without his constant contribution. i am happy for him that so far he has played well in the friendlies, hopefully he will also show us how capable he is when it matters.
well im certainly spurs!!

personally i wouldnt say that negative stuff about any of our players, yes we survived without him ,but maybe we'd have won more games that we drew if he'd have been playing more.
Especially when he was dropped after having some good games when MJ had his arm round him in the post match interview on SKy and quoted that defoe would carry on starting if he carried on scoring like that, well he scored in the next game too, then the next one he didnt score mainly due to the fact the midfield played crap so he got no service then next game he was dropped despite doing little wrong.
he scored some great goals, set up a lot, chased lost causes to the touchlines and turned them into goals and chances for others yet the minute Keane or Mido were back fit he was dropped ,o unil Mido went out of favour then suddenly everyone expected Defoe to slot straight back in and start scoring again
i think id be somewhat miffed if that happened , so as i said in the quoted post hopefully theyll all get better service this season and thrive on it.

[neilmcnab]

my personal thouts on this are that i wud not empower another prem team with my weapons. no way... carrick knows defoes game inside out .. can any1 remember them at west ham? unlocking the titeist of defences... carrick has no pace, has no aggression... but he can develop these.. well to a greater level than what he capable of . but as i have writen b4 . we need to see carrick in a more attacking role to really see what he can do as he does retain the football well.his passing is special, but he limits him self to mainly long passes as he plays so far back off the play, carrick need mors of a free role, and with zakora and davids i think thats the plan to take us forward.. however he does need to improve his scorin record. he,ll do that once he finds his true position...

[Chinaman]

How many assists did Carrick make? And indeed how many indirect assists as well? All he did was slow down everybody. A lot of his passes were really lofted balls with the top of his foot, and lifted so high that it took a lot of time for the ball to travel its entire trajectory, which unfortunately always gave the edge to defenders who have time to judge the flight and position themselves accordingly, while our receivers lost any element of surprise.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Carrick is a first on the team sheet every week, Defoe isnt. simple as

i think you will find that after his indecision to sign a new contract and commit to us plus the signing of zakora, he is not guaranteed to be first on the team sheet every week anymore (thats if he stays). I'm beginning to dislike the guy more and more as this transfer saga goes on.

If you would of asked me this question a few months ago i would of said defoe to go, but i'd prefer him to stay now after the signing of zakora.

[Spur]

I completely agree with that. Whilst Carrick may have made us work last season, with Zokora, Lennon and a left-winger we would be working a different way this season - one that maybe more productive if Carrick left. I'm not saying I want him to go, because I don't. But he is no longer an indispensible member of the team.

He is no longer relied upon to start things up, and if he cannot adapt to a more attacking role next season, then I believe he should no longer be in our squad.

This transfer saga is changing my opinion of him. TBH, I never expected Carrick to be a yid for next season. But if he wants to stay then he should say so now, and sign a new deal. If not then he should be quiet and let the clubs do a deal as soon as. Maybe this is why he is continuing to be quiet - because he's already gone in his mind.

[Billywhizz]

Keep Defoe, Hudds can do Carricks job.

[Chinaman]

I'll say again that we're better off without him.

[Billywhizz]

I would not mind taking one of there players and cash maybe

1. Brown + £11m
2. Richardson + £11m
3. O'Shea + £11m

what do ya reckon any i've missed (Rooney maybe) ha ha

[Spur]

I'd take Kieron and 8mil. Kieron is a great player.

Don't want Brown or O'Shea.

[highlander]

i wouldnt take brown. he aint that good and he really dont need him as he only plays centrally

[sundancer]

Would have to keep Defoe, he will have a point to prove to all his doubters this season and I fully expect him to score a bag full. I do not think either will go though.

[Chinaman]

I'd take Kieron and 8mil. Kieron is a great player.

Don't want Brown or O'Shea.

I also said Richardson and 8 million in another thread.

[choda]

Keep Defoe, Hudds can do Carricks job.

Totally agree that Hudds can do Carricks job. In fact, he's going to be a real star. I like Carrick, but Hudds will be on a different level. He's got presence and real composure in controlling the passing movements. For me Carrick, as talented as he is, doesn't take control of games like he could. I think its time to blood big Tom or if he's not ready we can play Zokora deeper. I'm not worried.

I would sell Defoe... there are plenty of strikers available in the summer markets. Plenty better than the super midget. MJ is also looking at new formations, and no doubt if he signs Duff/other attacking midfielder will see 4321/3421 as options.

[Houdini logic]

Totally agree that Hudds can do Carricks job. In fact, he's going to be a real star. I like Carrick, but Hudds will be on a different level. He's got presence and real composure in controlling the passing movements. For me Carrick, as talented as he is, doesn't take control of games like he could. I think its time to blood big Tom or if he's not ready we can play Zokora deeper. I'm not worried.

I would sell Defoe... there are plenty of strikers available in the summer markets. Plenty better than the super midget. MJ is also looking at new formations, and no doubt if he signs Duff/other attacking midfielder will see 4321/3421 as options.

With another winger we can really play with our formation and see just how good the Berbanator is!

[Welsh Spur]

I'd take Kieron and 8mil. Kieron is a great player.

Don't want Brown or O'Shea.
Agreed. Except for the 8mill bit. **** that. take the bastards to the cleaners....£11m and Richardson. I was insulted they even tried to offer us O'Shea. What a crock of shite he is. And Brown? He looks like he's trying to beat Rio in a 'who's got the most ridiculous haircut' competition. ****ing muppet.

[djsills]

gotta keep Carrick he was by far our best midfielder last season.
He's the basis of our whole team. Theres no way Huddlestone can pass as well as Carrick nor does have he have as much composure on the ball. Yes he's a star of the future but I reckon it'll be Jenas' place under threat not Carrick's seeing as jenas put some very average performances in last year.
I think next season carrick and Zokora will start in centre midfield as first choice.

Defoe is replacable, he proved that by hardly playing in second half of season. Carrick isn't he was too influential last year.

[Welsh Spur]

gotta keep Carrick he was by far our best midfielder last season.
He's the basis of our whole team. Theres no way Huddlestone can pass as well as Carrick nor does have he have as much composure on the ball. Yes he's a star of the future but I reckon it'll be Jenas' place under threat not Carrick's seeing as jenas put some very average performances in last year.
I think next season carrick and Zokora will start in centre midfield as first choice.

Defoe is replacable, he proved that by hardly playing in second half of season. Carrick isn't he was too influential last year.
Can't agree with much that you say, Carrick is not as good as is made out, if he was we'd be playing CL qualifying matches right now. Defoe had a bad season and is determined to show us all how good he is, while Carrick on the other hand shuts his geordie mouth and says nothing about all the Manure talk. Zokora will now replace Carrick as 'the basis of our team', and considering you say Jenas was poor last season, 7 league goals is not a bad return for a young midfielder in his debut season with us.

[mjbmedia]

Defoe is replacable, he proved that by hardly playing in second half of season. Carrick isn't he was too influential last year.
mmmmmmmmmm is that the second half of the season where we ****ed up big time losing a rather large points advantage over the scum to be pipped at the post

Now i can rememebr Carrick setting up two goals for the opposition with shite sideways passes, Lee one goal, Stalteri.........well how many fingers have we got??, Defoe...no cant remeber him setting up any goals for the opposition , only for his own team mates .:)

[Welsh Spur]

TBH, it doesn't seem like either are leaving at the mo. But you never know. And Carrick has been extremely quiet over the whole thing.

[choda]

mmmmmmmmmm is that the second half of the season where we ****ed up big time losing a rather large points advantage over the scum to be pipped at the post

Now i can rememebr Carrick setting up two goals for the opposition with shite sideways passes, Lee one goal, Stalteri.........well how many fingers have we got??, Defoe...no cant remeber him setting up any goals for the opposition , only for his own team mates .:)

Defoe plays at the other end of the pitch. That's not a really logical argument your making.

Other posts: I don't think we need Carrick. He was our best centre mid last season overall (when Davids tired near the end), but we have bought what Jol describes as one of the best mid in europe in Zokora and Huddlestone is another year older. That boys got everything Carricks got and what he's missing too. I like Carrick, he's talented, but he's too much of a ghost a lot of the time. Sooner or later the Hud will be blooded. A lot of folk don't realise how good he is. If he's not ready yet Zokora can play deeper.

[Welsh Spur]

Huddlestone will definately get more games this season. And do well. Very well.

[choda]

mmmmmmmmmm is that the second half of the season where we ****ed up big time losing a rather large points advantage over the scum to be pipped at the post

Now i can rememebr Carrick setting up two goals for the opposition with shite sideways passes, Lee one goal, Stalteri.........well how many fingers have we got??, Defoe...no cant remeber him setting up any goals for the opposition , only for his own team mates .:)

Arsenal picked up form, they started winning almost every game late on. We should have finished them off at highbury, and we had that bad fortune at the end. But we played better and got stronger as the season went on. We despatched Blackburn, Bolton, and played the Arsenal off the pitch for 70 min of the second game. They were all improvements from earlier in the season. And Keano scored 16 in 20 starts or somthing from Jan.

[Welsh Spur]

In fact I think it's awesome having 3 shit-hot strikers. If Berbatov hits his expected form it would be difficult for me to choose a favourite. Keane might swing it for being the club's longest current first team servant aside from King.

[Danishspurs]

Huddlestone will definately get more games this season. And do well. Very well.
I really wish that hudds gets more games next season, he impressed when given the chance, but I don't see that happening.. With Carrick, JJ, Tainio, Zokora, Davids, Ghaly, Murphy in his position he's not gonna get more matches then last season...

[Welsh Spur]

He has the potential to top that list you just posted as the best midfielder. Without a doubt.

[Danishspurs]

He has the potential to top that list you just posted as the best midfielder. Without a doubt.
But in the first three friendlies and in the end of last season, it don't seem like Jol thinks that he's as good as the player listed above at the moment...

[Welsh Spur]

Yes, at the moment, he probably isn't, he has less experience and is still developing as a player. But he has the POTENTIAL to be.

[Danishspurs]

totally agree.. And even think that he better then Murphy already... Never understood why we signed him...

[spurs61]

I don't see why we need to replace Carrick if he is sold to Man U, surely Huds is a direct replacement with a bit of added steel? His passing ability really is phenominal for his age and experience.

[Chinaman]

No need for replacement if Carrick goes. We are more than covered. Indeed I also want to see Porkie go. He's just eating up wages.

[marcusto]

I would rather keep Defoe.... he seems to hit form in pre-season and has alot to prove after missing out on his 2nd majour tournament for no reason...

I think we have more cover in the midfield... + we will get 15mil+ Carrick

[Chinaman]

Invest 60% of the 15 million we get from Carrick on Duff, and we'll have improved the team a whole lot. Invest a further 50% of the remaining money on a RB, and we'll be challenging for top 3. Still 3 million in the bank, together with whatever we get from sale of Murphy and Porkie, we'll have at least 7 million to spend in January if we need further strengthening.

[choda]

No need for replacement if Carrick goes. We are more than covered. Indeed I also want to see Porkie go. He's just eating up wages.

That's funny man... I like it.

I'd give him a go in a central three first though, and see if he performs. He's got vision and passing ability. But if that doesn't work I'd tell him there's a huge eat all you want buffet in Portsmouth. Then all you'd have to is ring Harry, tell him you've sent him a player and agree a price.

[Chinaman]

Man, at a month and a half shy of 59, I still have vision. It's only the legs refuse to pump and the tummy's in the way.

[Hayes Massive]

When i put the poll up i expected 50/50 so am pleased that if 1 does go most people agree with me that Carrick would be the preferred choice.I think though that most people would like both to stay thus giving us superb options in midfield & attack.I do believe though that our reliance on Carrick last season with him starting our attacks from so deep cost us the second goal in matches we should have won & not drawn,thats why i think Zokora can make a big difference.The Hud of course could be anything,perhaps this season we will start to find out.

[mjbmedia]

i fear Hudd will go the way of many of our previous young hopefuls, we just dont seem to bring them through very well esp if the position they play is well catered for

id love us to use the carling cup for the likes of Hudd and the youngsters to shine

[choda]

Man, at a month and a half shy of 59, I still have vision. It's only the legs refuse to pump and the tummy's in the way.

Ha... you post some good ones.

Your very computer literate for somebody so old :). Nice going. And you still got your wit.

You weren't man of the match against Brazil though were you? I'm Irish, believe me I've seen a different Reid when he's used in central positions. Clive Allen also played him in the centre in the reserves a few times and said he was unbelievable. Let's give him a few pre-season games in the middle with two more mobile players with him.

[Chinaman]

Yeah, he's very good for Clive Allen, but not good enough for Jol.

[Chinaman]

Ha... you post some good ones.

Your very computer literate for somebody so old :). Nice going. And you still got your wit.

You weren't man of the match against Brazil though were you? I'm Irish, believe me I've seen a different Reid when he's used in central positions. Clive Allen also played him in the centre in the reserves a few times and said he was unbelievable. Let's give him a few pre-season games in the middle with two more mobile players with him.

Looking at the very slow strikers Brazil fielded in the WC, I was tempted to come out of retirement.

[choda]

Wow, if you did you'd make a billion people happy in China. You'll have to play in central mid though with two more mobile players.

[Chinaman]

Unfortunately another snail of a player had occupied CM, i.e. Emerson.

But if Rotundo can play striker, I can too.