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TURKISH
21st March 2009, 05:44 PM
The guy has been awesome since Harry has taken over so why should we replace him come the summer?

Give the guy a new contract in my opinion!!!

gomessi
21st March 2009, 05:46 PM
I said a few weeks ago he has won me over.

remember the cc fianal against ronado

give him a new contract who cares about the dody haircut and his slight frame. :001_smile:

TURKISH
21st March 2009, 05:47 PM
I said a few weeks ago he has won me over.

remember the cc fianal against ronado

give him a new contract who cares about the dody haircut and his slight frame. :001_smile:

Won me over when we drew 0.0 with united at home.

earl warwick
21st March 2009, 05:48 PM
Wants to go back to France. Don't forget the 2 red cards, hardly great. More than 2 years to see a quality player emerge, and sometimes looked very shite. Couldn't question him today, highly outstanding, from the right, crosses nearly always looped over the deadball line by Chelsea.

mjbmedia
21st March 2009, 05:48 PM
always liked him, he was injured and missed a whole season which many forget.
Like Gomes hes coming good and showing his true class.

gomessi
21st March 2009, 05:51 PM
Wants to go back to France. Don't forget the 2 red cards, hardly great. More than 2 years to see a quality player emerge, and sometimes looked very shite. Couldn't question him today, highly outstanding, from the right, crosses nearly always looped over the deadball line by Chelsea.

you aint much fun at parties:thumbdown:

gomessi
21st March 2009, 05:52 PM
Won me over when we drew 0.0 with united at home.

yeah I remember that game he was outstanding in that game .

TURKISH
21st March 2009, 06:01 PM
Wants to go back to France. Don't forget the 2 red cards, hardly great. More than 2 years to see a quality player emerge, and sometimes looked very shite. Couldn't question him today, highly outstanding, from the right, crosses nearly always looped over the deadball line by Chelsea.

First season pants, second injured twice. It happens though players take a while to settle but for me we should try and get him to stay.

hastingsyid
21st March 2009, 06:05 PM
yeah agreed absolute immense this season

earl warwick
21st March 2009, 06:06 PM
you aint much fun at parties:thumbdown:

Finally got over your relegation fears? :thumbdown:

highlander
21st March 2009, 06:17 PM
id be more than happy to keep him but it all depends on whether he wants to stay or not.

irishspur
21st March 2009, 08:29 PM
Definitely keep him hes earned his place provided he still wants to stay which im sure he will.

hastingsyid
21st March 2009, 08:31 PM
id be more than happy to keep him but it all depends on whether he wants to stay or not.

i say that about the wife:001_rolleyes:

gomessi
22nd March 2009, 12:38 AM
Finally got over your relegation fears? :thumbdown:

what the hell is wrong with you mate.

I think EVERYONE WAS WORRIED about relegation unless of course you were in a coma for the first 2 months and woke up to the victories against boltn, lpool and that 4-4.

Before tht we were as bad as derby and thats the plain truth.

yido4life
22nd March 2009, 09:54 AM
ive not been his biggest fan but he's ramming my words right back down my throat.....give him new contract.

RuFuS
22nd March 2009, 10:06 AM
always liked him, he was injured and missed a whole season which many forget.

Me too.
There's a couple of people who sit near me in the Pax who wont look me in the eye. I kept on telling them that Beni is good player but they wouldn't have it.

choda
22nd March 2009, 11:49 AM
Well, amazingly the answer is starting to become... NO!

He just gets better and better and it's Harry that has done it as the lad needed some serious coaching. He was always good going forward, ability on the ball and great speed.

He just had no defensive awareness, his positional play and rash tackles were a serious liability. Harry came in and gradually he's helped him to iron all of this out.

I think you can actually graph his progress from pants defender when Harry came in too slightly less pants to okay but still liable every few games to have a shocker mistake, to mostly good but still liable to do something silly, to good with a rare error still in there, to good and maybe even very good.

Last five games he's just been a new player if you compare it to a few months ago. Knows positional play, very composed in what he does, focused and on the ball. Again, and this can be said for numerous players, fair play to Harry and the coaches who have done tremendous coaching him on things he needed to improve a lot and fair play to the lad who has knuckled down and worked hard on his game, because now he is a player.

It shows you the importance of coaching and development. To see what is wrong and work on it and try to fix it, as often you can. I mean you'd have hoped you could do something with this lad as speed and ability on the ball is a great feather in the cap of a modern full back.

He just needed to learn the position, how to defend properly and be more focused in what he was doing on and off the ball.

Delighted, because he really was shocking before Harry came in.

Ginola's Son
22nd March 2009, 12:02 PM
Yeah BAE has made us forget Bale even exists, I'd love for him to sign a new deal. My problem with him was that he didn't look happy to be playing for us, but his reactions to the 4-4 Arsenal equalizer and the Burnley goals to get us too wembley showed me that he's just a languid sort of a guy, happy when the team is doing well....

gomessi
22nd March 2009, 07:11 PM
completly agree with choda regarding the coaching. I hope harry can dothe same with bale.

TURKISH
22nd March 2009, 07:21 PM
Well, amazingly the answer is starting to become... NO!

He just gets better and better and it's Harry that has done it as the lad needed some serious coaching. He was always good going forward, ability on the ball and great speed.

He just had no defensive awareness, his positional play and rash tackles were a serious liability. Harry came in and gradually he's helped him to iron all of this out.

I think you can actually graph his progress from pants defender when Harry came in too slightly less pants to okay but still liable every few games to have a shocker mistake, to mostly good but still liable to do something silly, to good with a rare error still in there, to good and maybe even very good.

Last five games he's just been a new player if you compare it to a few months ago. Knows positional play, very composed in what he does, focused and on the ball. Again, and this can be said for numerous players, fair play to Harry and the coaches who have done tremendous coaching him on things he needed to improve a lot and fair play to the lad who has knuckled down and worked hard on his game, because now he is a player.

It shows you the importance of coaching and development. To see what is wrong and work on it and try to fix it, as often you can. I mean you'd have hoped you could do something with this lad as speed and ability on the ball is a great feather in the cap of a modern full back.

He just needed to learn the position, how to defend properly and be more focused in what he was doing on and off the ball.

Delighted, because he really was shocking before Harry came in.

He has done well since Harry took over from the get go imo, course two red cards but overall very good performances epescially the home games against united and pool. But its evidence of what Harry, Kevin Bond and Joe Jordan are all about which is preparation and common sense.

choda
22nd March 2009, 07:31 PM
He has done well since Harry took over from the get go imo, course two red cards but overall very good performances epescially the home games against united and pool. But its evidence of what Harry, Kevin Bond and Joe Jordan are all about which is preparation and common sense.

Well, I think it's happened gradually, he was still liable but just got better and better as far as I am concerned.

I can't speak highly enough of Harry and the staff. It's clear they know what they are doing. Very interesting to see how far they can go in the next few years because we really don't lack for much if you look at the team and back up and Levy will cough up more dough when asked.

The squad was not lacking quality except for one of two areas that were particularly weak and it was causing a lot of problems, but bringing back Keane and buying Pal has made the team very well balanced and on top of the rest of the improvements it's a strong team now.

Rome wasn't built in a day and the team was a shambles in numerous ways due to imo poor coaching or communicating the coaching by the last two managers. It was a very unhealthy, all over the shop team he took over, so hats off to him it was always going to take time, but he got to working on the necessary's and it got better and better.

gomessi
22nd March 2009, 07:32 PM
He has done well since Harry took over from the get go imo, course two red cards but overall very good performances epescially the home games against united and pool. But its evidence of what Harry, Kevin Bond and Joe Jordan are all about which is preparation and common sense.

I think I described harry as the eastender with a bit of common.

Hee does what the fans see but he can coach which obviously none of us can apart from........






















choda who could probably do everything from passing a medical exam to being able to coach a football team

TURKISH
22nd March 2009, 07:36 PM
I think I described harry as the eastender with a bit of common.

Hee does what the fans see but he can coach which obviously none of us can apart from........






















choda who could probably do everything from passing a medical exam to being able to coach a football team

He did read a book on coaching so he has it down to a tea.:001_tt2:

I agree with everyone but what I will say is Harry is alot more than a whealer dealer, arm round the shoulder type of gaffer. The man knows alot about football.

choda
22nd March 2009, 07:40 PM
He did read a book on coaching so he has it down to a tea.:001_tt2:

I agree with everyone but what I will say is Harry is alot more than a whealer dealer, arm round the shoulder type of gaffer. The man knows alot about football.

I actually have done some coaching. :001_smile:

And give me time to study for a med exam, learn some of the technicalities and fancy terms and it'd be no problem.

gomessi
22nd March 2009, 07:41 PM
He did read a book on coaching so he has it down to a tea.:001_tt2:

I agree with everyone but what I will say is Harry is alot more than a whealer dealer, arm round the shoulder type of gaffer. The man knows alot about football.

undoubtedly true but lets also recognise the fact he spent £47m in atransfer winsow he'snever had the lexury before and he has spent wisely so far.

In this smmer we will probably have a nets pending of £0 but if we sell hudd, zok, bentley, bent and pav that should raise about £40m to spend.

If football fantasies could come true I'd splash that on david villa or eto :001_smile:

MiloMinderbinder
23rd March 2009, 12:05 PM
Saw his qualities as soon as he arrived, quick, very skillful and confident atttacking fullback. Now he has added positional sense, bravery and decision making to his game he looks a proper player. I'd say over the past two months he's been the best left back in the league.

Rojoknapp
23rd March 2009, 05:48 PM
undoubtedly true but lets also recognise the fact he spent £47m in atransfer winsow he'snever had the lexury before and he has spent wisely so far.

In this smmer we will probably have a nets pending of £0 but if we sell hudd, zok, bentley, bent and pav that should raise about £40m to spend.

If football fantasies could come true I'd splash that on david villa or eto :001_smile:

I don't think we will sell Zokora - if Palacios then got injured we would have no tackling midfielder to make the room and time for Lennon and Modric to do their stuff. And Zokora has improved so much since Harry came in, he's really quite a good player worth keeping now. As for Bent and Pavlyuchenko, I don't think we will sell both. I can see one of them going, most likely Bent - Pavlyuchenko will be told to pull his socks up or follow him out in January I reckon. If we sold them both we would be left with just JD and Keane, and sometimes Summer windows don't get you the players you want - as we well know :thumbdown: So you have to have back up in case it goes tits up.

And one more thing - I don't think those players would raise 40 million.

Pavlyuchenko: 11m (I can't think who would buy him though)
Bentley: 5m
Bent: 7m
Huddlestone: 3m
Zokora: 10m (optimistic)

TURKISH
23rd March 2009, 06:10 PM
Saw his qualities as soon as he arrived, quick, very skillful and confident atttacking fullback. Now he has added positional sense, bravery and decision making to his game he looks a proper player. I'd say over the past two months he's been the best left back in the league.

Agree I hope he stays.

choda
23rd March 2009, 07:48 PM
I don't think we will sell Zokora - if Palacios then got injured we would have no tackling midfielder to make the room and time for Lennon and Modric to do their stuff. And Zokora has improved so much since Harry came in, he's really quite a good player worth keeping now. As for Bent and Pavlyuchenko, I don't think we will sell both. I can see one of them going, most likely Bent - Pavlyuchenko will be told to pull his socks up or follow him out in January I reckon. If we sold them both we would be left with just JD and Keane, and sometimes Summer windows don't get you the players you want - as we well know :thumbdown: So you have to have back up in case it goes tits up.

And one more thing - I don't think those players would raise 40 million.

Pavlyuchenko: 11m (I can't think who would buy him though)
Bentley: 5m
Bent: 7m
Huddlestone: 3m
Zokora: 10m (optimistic)

In today's market they would, you are really undervaluing what they'd fetch. You'd get 10 million for Bent, 12-14 million for Pav. If Bent keeps playing like he has lately he might change minds about selling and if we did we might get 15 million as he's been better than Defoe imo lately. He actually has decent general play of late, which is more than Defoe ever had, both score lots of goals.

Huddlestone you'd get 6 million, Bentley you'd get at least 10 million after we paid 15 million and many still rate him.

I'd like to bring back Tainio, he was always better than Zokora in the holding role. In fact he was excellent when he played it, read the game way better, tackled well and played it out composed and well. He'd be quality back up if we could keep him fit.

Rojoknapp
23rd March 2009, 08:28 PM
In today's market they would, you are really undervaluing what they'd fetch. You'd get 10 million for Bent, 12-14 million for Pav. If Bent keeps playing like he has lately he might change minds about selling and if we did we might get 15 million as he's been better than Defoe imo lately. He actually has decent general play of late, which is more than Defoe ever had, both score lots of goals.

Huddlestone you'd get 6 million, Bentley you'd get at least 10 million after we paid 15 million and many still rate him.

I'd like to bring back Tainio, he was always better than Zokora in the holding role. In fact he was excellent when he played it, read the game way better, tackled well and played it out composed and well. He'd be quality back up if we could keep him fit.

If we tried to sell Bentley to anyone for 10 million they would laugh at us. It would be alright if it wasn't for sky, but unfortunately everyone has seen him play this season, so 10 million is out of the question. I really can't see us getting what we paid for Pavlyuchenko or Bent - they have both been proven to be overpriced, though I think they are both very good players. You wouldn't get 6 million for Huddlestone when he's hardly played this season. Who can you think of that would want Huddlestone, and have 6 million to spend on him?