Maybe this is why English footy coverage is so pants...

[choda]

Alan Pardew said he raped him on tv to describe a hard tackle, which was funny. There were 35 complaints by some idiots. On RTE they would be dismissed as such.

The rte pundits are always saying things like that and insulting characters they think are divers, cheats and birdbrains etc. and dismiss complaints as the analysists are just offering an opinion and being knowledgeable which is their job. It also makes it entertaining.

When a person is truly out of order like Big Ron when he said that thing that was caught by the mike, that is a matter that should be discussed and looked at seriously. The rest of it is bollocks, pc rubbish that makes the English tv coverage shit and false.

[TURKISH]

LOL "He raped him" quality I hated Pardew but after he said that...I still hate the ****.

[choda]

Some of these people may also need reminding that rape doesn't necessarily mean a sexual violation, but also just be can be a violent or physical violation.

[berbzy 'G']

Some of these people may also need reminding that rape doesn't necessarily mean a sexual violation, but also just be can be a violent or physical violation.

lol I'm glad you just said this chodderz :cursing:

[Ioang]

You can see how it would upset Rape victims, obviously out of order in the current TV climate.

Common enough phrase tho, sure i've used it in the past.

[choda]

You can see how it would upset Rape victims, obviously out of order in the current TV climate.

Common enough phrase tho, sure i've used it in the past.

It's a verb. How can a verb offend people? It doesn't necessarily mean sexually and even if it did it was just tongue in cheek football lingo.

I can't tell you how ridiculous I find this. This is the whole problem in English football coverage.

At the time it didn't even occur to me that there would be a stir, I just found it funny.

[earl warwick]

Some of these people may also need reminding that rape doesn't necessarily mean a sexual violation, but also just be can be a violent or physical violation.

Sorry, but you're wrong, it's a sexual violation, as well as being physical and violent. I don't see how it can be anything else. If a man forced you to the ground, and penetrated your anus with his penis, is that not a rape of you? How would you report it to the police? Surely you would say you've been raped. It has no place in talking about football. If teenagers use it as a phrase, just their stupidity. An experienced football manager on a national football show, very, very wrong. I'm surprised, thought you would know better than this. If this is said on tv in Ireland, more shame on Ireland. Is abortion available in Ireland for rape? I know Irish women come to England for abortions. Priests seem to be accused of raping every week, I think. Shameful for Ireland if this is allowed as common talk on tv for football.

[choda]

Sorry, but you're wrong, it's a sexual violation, as well as being physical and violent. I don't see how it can be anything else. If a man forced you to the ground, and penetrated your anus with his penis, is that not a rape of you? How would you report it to the police? Surely you would say you've been raped. It has no place in talking about football. If teenagers use it as a phrase, just their stupidity. An experienced football manager on a national football show, very, very wrong. I'm surprised, thought you would know better than this. If this is said on tv in Ireland, more shame on Ireland. Is abortion available in Ireland for rape? I know Irish women come to England for abortions. Priests seem to be accused of raping every week, I think. Shameful for Ireland if this is allowed as common talk on tv.

This guy has to be Jrio.

Another classic Jrio-like post.

If you look up rape in the dictionary it doesn't necessarily mean sexual and thanks for the graphic image. Did you type it with one hand while having a wank with the other?

It's just the usual meaning. Have you not heard it used in completely unsexual terms. The rape of the prolitariate, rape of the countryside, rape of the lock and so on?

I haven't heard it said on Irish tv to be honest but if they did it would be seen for what it was.

[Ioang]

I disagree that those are unsexual terms anyway. They are using the sexual violation of a human as a apt and emotive metaphor.

Banter's fine but these guys on TV have wide audiences and a responsibility.

[Ioang]

And verbs can easily offend. Mincing queers, Gassing Jews, all pretty shockingly offensive, no?

[earl warwick]

This guy has to be Jrio.

Another classic Jrio-like post.

If you look up rape in the dictionary it doesn't necessarily mean sexual and thanks for the graphic image. Did you type it with one hand while having a wank with the other?

It's just the usual meaning. Have you not heard it used in completely unsexual terms. The rape of the prolitariate, rape of the countryside, rape of the lock and so on?

I haven't heard it said on Irish tv to be honest but if they did it would be seen for what it was.

Mate, you're completely wrong. I don't usually hear it because it doesn't come up in conversations I have. Sure, I've seen it in some of the type of stuff you refer to. But so has a word like abortion. You wouldn't expect a former manager on tv to refer to a poor performance as a player playing like an abortion, eh?

But you haven't heard it on Irish tv, as you said you had. Same as abortion,no?

This one time I take being like Jrio as a compliment.

[peterc]

I disagree that those are unsexual terms anyway. They are using the sexual violation of a human as a apt and emotive metaphor.

Banter's fine but these guys on TV have wide audiences and a responsibility.

Totally agree, I thought such managers, well in this case, ex-manager should be setting a good example.:001_rolleyes:

[choda]

And verbs can easily offend. Mincing queers, Gassing Jews, all pretty shockingly offensive, no?

Those aren't verbs lol, you used two words. Mincing and gassing are not offensive on their own.

[choda]

Mate, you're completely wrong. I don't usually hear it because it doesn't come up in conversations I have. Sure, I've seen it in some of the type of stuff you refer to. But so has a word like abortion. You wouldn't expect a former manager on tv to refer to a poor performance as a player playing like an abortion, eh?

But you haven't heard it on Irish tv, as you said you had. Same as abortion,no?

This one time I take being like Jrio as a compliment.

I'm not wrong. Rape is used in various ways and the context tells you the meaning. Some words are like that.

And you did hear it in a conversation if you watched match of the day on Sunday.

It was actually good English if you want to get very technical.

If Pardew said Redknapp aborted his tactical plan at right back after 32 minutes would you think that was wrong?

Crazy.

It's just a word with multiple meanings.

I often go so far as to say a player was ass raping a defence with his movement and pace, Torres for example. Really just a metaphor to show how much the defense is being hurt, but a bit too much to be saying on tv.

Just using the word rape though, that people are getting upset about that is just ridiculous.

[TURKISH]

I'm not wrong. Rape is used in various ways and the context tells you the meaning. Some words are like that.

And you did hear it in a conversation if you watched match of the day on Sunday.

It was actually good English if you want to get very technical.

If Pardew said Redknapp aborted his tactical plan at right back after 32 minutes would you think that was wrong?

Crazy.

It's just a word with multiple meanings.

I often go so far as to say a player was ass raping a defence with his movement and pace, Torres for example. Really just a metaphor to show how much the defense is being hurt, but a bit too much to be saying on tv.

Just using the word rape though, that people are getting upset about that is just ridiculous.

Your bang out of order mate, disgusting.

[choda]

Your bang out of order mate, disgusting.

Lol, I take it you are joking.

[choda]

I disagree that those are unsexual terms anyway. They are using the sexual violation of a human as a apt and emotive metaphor.

Banter's fine but these guys on TV have wide audiences and a responsibility.

Look up your dictionary, it is NOT necessarily a sexual term. That was my interpretation and I confirmed it in the dictionary, which clearly spells it out as such.

The context displays the meaning of words with various meanings or interpretations.

And a word like abortion comes simply from the term 'aborting a pregnancy'. The word abort existed long before abortion became a word with one meaning now referring to aborting pregnancy.

You can also be pregnant with desire to get pregnant. Pregnant really means fraught, filled, or full of meaning, significant, momentous, important.

It's used in many contexts one of which is to describe the condition of carrying a baby in the womb which is essentially a condition of being filled, abounding and it is also momentious and important.

It's an apt use of the word.

Rape in it's basic form simply means a violation, a corruption, to take by force. It doesn't have to mean a sexual rape, but if somone was to say they were violated, how many ways can someone be violated, their body. It's different to assault.

To call forcefully or violently taking the ball from someone's possession rape is pretty viable actually. Calling it theft, winning the ball or assault would have actually been poorer descriptions of the act.

Sorry, but I have to quibble with this since I feel people are raping the language with their vile misinterpretations.

[Rojoknapp]

How can Earl Warwick be Jrio if EW joined in September 2008, long before Jrio was banned?

Unless of course you think that Jrio had an account prepared just in case he was banned? :001_rolleyes:

[Shuggie13]

I am amazed that no one has brought up that a football manager used an interesting verb aptly in describing a passage of a match.

Yes, rape can mean overtly violate something/someone and Choda gave a perfect example of 'raping the countryside'. No, Pardew should not be chastised for using the word. Yes, there were 35 complaints probably from sex offenders who didn't like their line of work associated with Aston Villa.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'm sorry, but are people complaining that other people see terms like "rape" as offensive. What the hell is wrong with you people. Rape is simply one of the worst things that one human being can do to another. And I don't give a flying f*ck if the term has other connotations or uses in the English language. It is a word used to describe violence and destruction of lives, and for someone in a position of responsibility to callously use that term on a live broadcast in the manner that Pardew did is insensitive, inconsiderate and stupid. He shouldn't have said it. I take offense because I hate the word and all that goes with it.

Choda, this is a good example of poor broadcasting, but not because people are over-reacting, but because he said it at all.

[Ioang]

Agreed. Lets talk primary connotations and one of the worst personal crimes one can do to another. No place on a football show, and those are my views.

[Shuggie13]

I'm sorry, but are people complaining that other people see terms like "rape" as offensive. What the hell is wrong with you people. Rape is simply one of the worst things that one human being can do to another. And I don't give a flying f*ck if the term has other connotations or uses in the English language. It is a word used to describe violence and destruction of lives, and for someone in a position of responsibility to callously use that term on a live broadcast in the manner that Pardew did is insensitive, inconsiderate and stupid. He shouldn't have said it. I take offense because I hate the word and all that goes with it.

Choda, this is a good example of poor broadcasting, but not because people are over-reacting, but because he said it at all.

I see where you are coming from completely. I'm not sure he callously used the term, it was undoubtedly a poor choice of words.

Would there have been the same reaction if he had used the terms 'murdered' or 'slaughtered' also terms used to describe violence and destruction of lives? Probably not because of the different emotive connotations.

[mjbmedia]

i get mildly annoyed when commentators use the words like 'brave' or 'hero' to describe something in football as these terms should be used to describe things people faced in WW1 and WW2 and now in Afghanistan etc (though at least there they are people who 'chose' to be there through joining up rather than Joe Public conscripted and forced to fight.

An heroic performance by Gerrard when he trains week in week out for it and gets paid £50k plus a week to perform so heroically is a complete misuse of the phrase.
it doesnt really bother me that much but some of the eulogisms commentators etc use are a joke.

[Shuggie13]

Agreed. Lets talk primary connotations and one of the worst personal crimes one can do to another. No place on a football show, and those are my views.

Primary connotations. How many times have we heard 'mugged' used or even 'they were slaughtered today' and 'murdered'. Acts of violence are acts of violence. I am sure someone who has been mugged and beaten doesn't like hearing the word being used. I am in no way denying the fact that the crime we are talking about is horrendous.

[Shuggie13]

i get mildly annoyed when commentators use the words like 'brave' or 'hero' to describe something in football as these terms should be used to describe things people faced in WW1 and WW2 and now in Afghanistan etc (though at least there they are people who 'chose' to be there through joining up rather than Joe Public conscripted and forced to fight.

An heroic performance by Gerrard when he trains week in week out for it and gets paid £50k plus a week to perform so heroically is a complete misuse of the phrase.
it doesnt really bother me that much but some of the eulogisms commentators etc use are a joke.

I think the crux of the conversation is football commentators and pundits should be scripted.

Let's not forget that 'brave' and 'heroic' are being used in context to the actual match. What does get me wound up is the 'Brave and Heroic England performance' being used like it is a metaphor of going to war. I would agree completely with you when it used to flower up and dramticise people like Gerrard. Yes his performance in Istanbul was heroic (although Hamman was the man that made the difference) but Gerard is no hero.

[mjbmedia]

there were better choices of words that could and should have been used, Pardew was describing a tackle in a football match, a simple tackle in a simple football match , thats all, why does he have to use OTT statements to describe a simple tackle in a simple football match.
A few years ago tackles like that were regular occurences and no big deal, yet now they have to be eulogised in a ridiculous manner .
'It was one hell of a tackle, great timing, forceful and fair, the sort every defender would have been proud to make' would have sufficed, or was that too eloquent for the modern day football person?
Having said that, i wouldnt have picked the phone up and complained, id have just been pleased that I was more educated than pardew etc.

[Shuggie13]

Agreed, everyone these days needs to be commentating like they are writing an essay.

In essence Pardew was talking like he would down the pub with his West Ham pikey mates. I will back-track a little here because my earlier post was a little flippant, it was a bad choice of words and there is no place for it.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Woud you get compalints from Broadmoor if you described a fullback as getting murdered? We're so ****ing concerned about offending other people that we are starting to self censor, where did this happen in history, oh yes Russia from 1918 - 1989 and Germany in the 30's and 40's.

Look if you take offense at the spoken word perhaps it says more about you than anyone else.

[Shelfside]

Agreed, everyone these days needs to be commentating like they are writing an essay.

In essence Pardew was talking like he would down the pub with his West Ham pikey mates. I will back-track a little here because my earlier post was a little flippant, it was a bad choice of words and there is no place for it.

That is the problem.Pub talk cannot become broadcasting talk.Choda is right when he says that certain words have existed for a long time with other meanings,but unfortunately some words are now so heavily associated with certain actions or implications that the original or other meanings are now almost never used.
I did read somewhere that the BBC are considering whether not to allow Pardew to return as a pundit.Because of 35 complaints?.What he said was mis-guided but not offensive.It does smack of the BBC political correctness Nazi's though.The very same people who gave the green light to two of it's presenters to phone up a 78 year old man and tell him that one of them had f*cked his grand-daughter.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I did read somewhere that the BBC are considering whether not to allow Pardew to return as a pundit.Because of 35 complaints?.What he said was mis-guided but not offensive.It does smack of the BBC political correctness Nazi's though.The very same people who gave the green light to two of it's presenters to phone up a 78 year old man and tell him that one of them had f*cked his grand-daughter.

Isn't it often the way that the silent majority are made to suffer by a vocal (and usually moronic) minority.

Reminded me of the anti-war marches in London a few years ago when the journo scum were saying "oh this speaks for the country as a whole" err no, no it doesn't, if say one million people marched (yeah right) and we have a population of sixty million, by your warped logic there are fifty nine million that don't agree with the million who marched.

BTW there is one word in football that offends me; "great", as in "great ball", "great player" etc, it's over and missused, according to Sky every player who has been interviewed by them is "great".

[Shuggie13]

That is the problem.Pub talk cannot become broadcasting talk.Choda is right when he says that certain words have existed for a long time with other meanings,but unfortunately some words are now so heavily associated with certain actions or implications that the original or other meanings are now almost never used.
I did read somewhere that the BBC are considering whether not to allow Pardew to return as a pundit.Because of 35 complaints?.What he said was mis-guided but not offensive.It does smack of the BBC political correctness Nazi's though.The very same people who gave the green light to two of it's presenters to phone up a 78 year old man and tell him that one of them had f*cked his grand-daughter.

Why can not broadcasting talk not become pub talk? I pay my licence fee do I not get a say in the state run television station? :001_smile:

The BBC is completely inept when dealing with anything. The Ross/Brand/Sachs fiasco initially had a very small number of complaints. Then we had the Daily Mail bandwagon and it escalated. Sachs was also consulted first, heard the transcripts and asked for it to be toned down and then he would be happy to have it aired. It was the editors that screwed up.

[Shuggie13]

Woud you get compalints from Broadmoor if you described a fullback as getting murdered? We're so ****ing concerned about offending other people that we are starting to self censor, where did this happen in history, oh yes Russia from 1918 - 1989 and Germany in the 30's and 40's.

Look if you take offense at the spoken word perhaps it says more about you than anyone else.

It also always tends to be the minority speaking on behalf of those that they perceive would be offended.

The war response drove me mad to. Unfortunately in this day and age every one has an opinion and most of it is misinformed. I blame the internet.

[Gino Ginelli]

Why can not broadcasting talk not become pub talk? I pay my licence fee do I not get a say in the state run television station? :001_smile:

The BBC is completely inept when dealing with anything. The Ross/Brand/Sachs fiasco initially had a very small number of complaints. Then we had the Daily Mail bandwagon and it escalated. Sachs was also consulted first, heard the transcripts and asked for it to be toned down and then he would be happy to have it aired. It was the editors that screwed up.

Ooh! I hate that newspaper! Bandwagon jumping, knee-jerk midwives!! But I still thought it funny that Ross got suspended. He's a ******. Only someopne that self important could turn a supposedly good cause like Comic Relief into a 'me me me' self conglagutory indulgence. Gah :cursing:

[Shuggie13]

Ooh! I hate that newspaper! Bandwagon jumping, knee-jerk midwives!! But I still thought it funny that Ross got suspended. He's a ******. Only someopne that self important could turn a supposedly good cause like Comic Relief into a 'me me me' self conglagutory indulgence. Gah :cursing:

The irony is Ross got suspended purely as a result of the bandwagon jumping. I doubt anyone who has been watching him for 25 years now was offended nor suprised, it's been his schtick for years now.

The bit that got me was Andrew Sachs was constantly cited as a national treasure. Born from a role where he played an inept foreigner, that was verbally and physically abused by his employer. Cue the Daily Mail readers again.

[Gino Ginelli]

Did they have to choose a fairly nondescript, non attention grabbing actor like Sachs (who is actually more famous for his stage thesping than the stereotyped "Manuel") though? Surely if they'd done it someone deserving like (ooh who don't I like?) Piers Morgan, it would have actually been funny, and seen as a deserved by-product of his attention seeking, fame grabbing behaviour. Ha!

[SurreySpur]

I am amazed that no one has brought up that a football manager used an interesting verb aptly in describing a passage of a match.

Yes, rape can mean overtly violate something/someone and Choda gave a perfect example of 'raping the countryside'. No, Pardew should not be chastised for using the word. Yes, there were 35 complaints probably from sex offenders who didn't like their line of work associated with Aston Villa.

That did make me giggle shuggie.

But on a serious note Pardew should choose his words much more carefully. The word Rape provokes such emotion within people due to the fact that it causes more personal anguish and trauma for those involved. Im not sure when society decided to accept the word as acceptable to use in normal conversation!

Some really interesting points have been brought up on this thread.....MJBs post about the 'hero' tag was excellent and that is something that really gets to me, you're spot on MJB about hero being overused. Gerrard and Terry ARE NOT HEROS....hero's are the individuals that helped the injured passengers on the tubes on 7/7 in London, Soldiers in Iraq, WWI, WWII etc. These are people that really matter in society!

Football is a great sport and for a lucky few its their livelihood, they dont put their lives on the line, they turn up, train for a few hours, go home in their supercars, nob a page three girl and wait for the weekend when they run round a bit. They're lucky, not heros.

[MiloMinderbinder]

It also always tends to be the minority speaking on behalf of those that they perceive would be offended.

The war response drove me mad to. Unfortunately in this day and age every one has an opinion and most of it is misinformed. I blame the internet.

The minority assuming that they have the right to speak for other people that in actual fact that know nothing about.


I say shoot the vocal minority, actually, no let's just rape them, stab them up and then disembowel their dishevelled corpses with a spoon before feeding their rotting intestines to their useless, worthless, hopeless little children. Or is that a bit harsh?

I don't think so, any one that thinks they speak for anyone else needs to be eliminated.

[mjbmedia]

The I don't think so, any one that thinks they speak for anyone else needs to be eliminated.
huh you speak for yourself mate !

[choda]

I would accept that rape has a normal connotation of sexual violation, but it just seems that it's a pc hotbutton to me because you can say 'murdered' or 'mugged' and no one says anything.

It didn't even register to me at the time that anyone would even criticise him!

And I still maintain that a proper understanding of the language means technically he actually made a great description.

I totally agree as regards the overuse of certain words, great, heroic and so on. The point being these are NOT apt or good descriptions and so it is a poor usage of the language.

Mind you some performances I've seen have been 'heroic' because it was a case of facing fears of criticism, failure, being villified, having belief in yourself etc. that would make most players crumble or hide, dealing with intense pressure and performing even better than normal.

Sounds small when you say it, but it's different at the time, that's the way the brain is.

I've huge admiration for that. At these times money is irrelevant.

They say in psychology facing any fear is like facing the fear of death because our brains are still wired from caveman days, every fear related to death. For example, approaching a female in the caveman days meant risking death as you had to take on the alpha male. We have evolved but that part of the brain serves the same function today.

Looking any fear straight in the eye and taking forward action positively has the potential for immense courage. Granted facing death itself in a directly noble cause is more heroic than anything I can think of.

[rootman69]

Sorry, but you're wrong, it's a sexual violation, as well as being physical and violent. I don't see how it can be anything else. If a man forced you to the ground, and penetrated your anus with his penis, is that not a rape of you? How would you report it to the police? Surely you would say you've been raped. It has no place in talking about football. If teenagers use it as a phrase, just their stupidity. An experienced football manager on a national football show, very, very wrong. I'm surprised, thought you would know better than this. If this is said on tv in Ireland, more shame on Ireland. Is abortion available in Ireland for rape? I know Irish women come to England for abortions. Priests seem to be accused of raping every week, I think. Shameful for Ireland if this is allowed as common talk on tv for football.

You being serious? The commentary on sports in Ireland "rapes" that of the British.

Try watching the commentary for the rugby. I can't remember the guys name, but all he does is slabber to fcuk, wants to start fights etc, etc. It's legendary. It has me pissing my pants watching it. Where as the commentary in Britian makes me want to "rape" my hand instead of listening to it.

Choda you might know the name of this guy i'm talking about. He's an old fat dude with a bading head?

[choda]

You being serious? The commentary on sports in Ireland "rapes" that of the British.

Try watching the commentary for the rugby. I can't remember the guys name, but all he does is slabber to ****, wants to start fights etc, etc. It's legendary. It has me pissing my pants watching it. Where as the commentary in Britian makes me want to "rape" my hand instead of listening to it.

Choda you might know the name of this guy i'm talking about. He's an old fat dude with a bading head?

George Hook, legend. Knows his stuff, incredibly forthright, honest and entertaining.

RTE rugby and football coverage is often better than the games!

[Rojoknapp]

Craig Burley on Setanta is a legend :thumbup:

His commentary is brilliant, he just says it as is, without all the bullshit you get from Grey about referees. At one point this season, during Portsmouth vs Liverpool, he just went:

"I feel sorry for David James, having to put up with this dross in front of him all season" :lol:

You don't hear that sort of honesty on Sky.

[earl warwick]

I would accept that rape has a normal connotation of sexual violation, but it just seems that it's a pc hotbutton to me because you can say 'murdered' or 'mugged' and no one says anything.It didn't even register to me at the time that anyone would even criticise him!And I still maintain that a proper understanding of the language means technically he actually made a great description.I totally agree as regards the overuse of certain words, great, heroic and so on.* The point being these are NOT apt or good descriptions and so it is a poor usage of the language.Mind you some performances I've seen have been 'heroic' because it was a case of facing fears of criticism, failure, being villified, having belief in yourself etc. that would make most players crumble or hide, dealing with intense pressure and performing even better than normal.Sounds small when you say it, but it's different at the time, that's the way the brain is.I've huge admiration for that.* At these times money is irrelevant.They say in psychology facing any fear is like facing the fear of death because our brains are still wired from caveman days, every fear related to death.* For example, approaching a female in the caveman days meant risking death as you had to take on the alpha male.* We have evolved but that part of the brain serves the same function today.Looking any fear straight in the eye and taking forward action positively has the potential for immense courage.* Granted facing death itself in a directly noble cause is more heroic than anything I can think of.Sure, killed or murdered etc could be used to talk about something in a game.*Would you say Raped to talk about football with a woman listening to you?* Maybe its correct language but its not correct person.* You write well but perhaps it means you often alone, and dont know what feelings mean really.

Maybe you know too much about language but not the people.

[choda]

Sure, killed or murdered etc could be used to talk about something in a game.*Would you say Raped to talk about football with a woman listening to you?* Maybe its correct language but its not correct person.* You write well but perhaps it means you often alone, and dont know what feelings mean really.

Maybe you know too much about language but not the people.

Earl, I've as many friends as anyone I know. Hundreds and hundreds of good friends and my 'specialty' is understanding humans as I have studied psychology and am an actor.

If anything I'd say I know the hot buttons that exist in society better than most and maybe can see them for what they really are, which on occassion is no more than a societal creation due to conditioning and over moralising.

You are not 'offended' by saying a team or player was murdered or mugged but think this is wrong. :confused1:

Alan Pardew didn't say it to a women, he said it to the two guys beside him and an audience, an audience that contained rape victims yes, but just because you were raped doesn't mean the word should be replaced in the language.

The audience also contains people bereaved by murder, is it wrong to say the word murder? It's just a word. You can't avoid it, as hard as it is you have deal with problems if they happened to you so you view things neutrally and rationally again. That's not Alan Pardew or anyone else's responsibility.

Should we give up on existence and life and all it's good and bad when someone dies or when bad things happen? No, you motor on and embrace life for what it is and have a laugh.

People are reading to much into it. Getting too involved in the disgust of the act and not viewing it neutrally.

I don't think anyone on this forum would be offended by the term, yet they are getting into pc censorship and defending other people assuming they would be offended.

Again, I find it ridiculous to be honest.

[irishspur]

The english puntits have all these rules and regulations whereas over here they realize that people dont want to see textbook conversation, just whats on the pundits minds.

[earl warwick]

Earl, I've as many friends as anyone I know. Hundreds and hundreds of good friends and my 'specialty' is understanding humans as I have studied psychology and am an actor.

If anything I'd say I know the hot buttons that exist in society better than most and maybe can see them for what they really are.

It's the idea that women are on a princess pedestal five rungs above where they really are which is one pedestal above men, lol, is where this is coming from, all this bollocks. It's just a pc hot button imo. It's doesn't make any real sense.

You are not 'offended' by saying a team or player was murdered or mugged but think this is wrong. :thumbup:

Alan Pardew didn't say it to a women, he said it to the two guys beside him and an audience, an audience that contained rape victims yes, but just because you were raped doesn't mean the word should be replaced in the language.

The audience also contains people bereaved by murder, is it wrong to say the word murder? It's just a word. You can't avoid it, as hard as it is you have deal with problems if they happened to you so you view things neutrally and rationally again. That's not Alan Pardew or anyone else's responsibility.

Should we give up on existence and life and all it's good and bad when someone dies or when bad things happen? No, you motor on and embrace life for what it is and have a laugh.

People are reading to much into it. Getting too involved in the disgust of the act and not viewing it neutrally.

I don't think anyone on this forum would be offended by the term, yet they are getting into pc censorship and defending other people assuming they would be offended.

Again, I find it ridiculous to be honest.

Chonan, its not about a woman, but about language. You should know this as a writer, but maybe you write bad stuff. Yes, murder may be used about football, but you can say "I can murder a pint", no? You lose 5 nil and it has been a slaughter. Has it been a rape(or a gang rape)?

One thing is, you said Irish tv would say this and you heard it. But you admit it was not. You think it is right to say it on tv, but Ireland seems like a country where they would be angry to hear it said about football. Is this true or not?

You write well, but often it seems you want to make people angry for no reason. You should write more, but think more, and then you will be better.

[Shelfside]

The minority assuming that they have the right to speak for other people that in actual fact that know nothing about.


I say shoot the vocal minority, actually, no let's just rape them, stab them up and then disembowel their dishevelled corpses with a spoon before feeding their rotting intestines to their useless, worthless, hopeless little children. Or is that a bit harsh?

I don't think so, any one that thinks they speak for anyone else needs to be eliminated.

No that isn't harsh at all.There is a lot of self-appointed 'moral crusaders' in this country.Whether it is the middle-class,curtain-twitching,Daily Mail readers or the politically correct,left-wing 'intellectuals',who want to monitor every written and spoken word and if they could,every thought that someone has,just to find the merest hint of 'prejudice' so they can leap in to protect the helpless,vulnerable minorities.The 'not in my name' brigade spans all sides of the political spectrum.
There is no better example than the 'eco-warriors'.Usually middle-class public school dropouts,who really think that they are going save the world.Like that silly cow who threw that green custard over Peter Mandelson.If she really knew what the public were thinking and wanted to act on our behalf,she would have chucked a bottle of sulphuric acid over the c*nt.
Er anyway,regarding the topic,Pardew probably shouldn't have said it,but those who were offended had no real reason to be.

[choda]

Chonan, its not about a woman, but about language. You should know this as a writer, but maybe you write bad stuff. Yes, murder may be used about football, but you can say "I can murder a pint", no? You lose 5 nil and it has been a slaughter. Has it been a rape(or a gang rape)?

One thing is, you said Irish tv would say this and you heard it. But you admit it was not. You think it is right to say it on tv, but Ireland seems like a country where they would be angry to hear it said about football. Is this true or not?

You write well, but often it seems you want to make people angry for no reason. You should write more, but think more, and then you will be better.

Who the f*ck do you think you are sunshine?

You criticise but don't provide any good basis for your argument to criticise, just offering some advice like you are a wise man. Dumbass.

And it's not about women now, but about language and who knows more about language and told you in detail what the word means?

Irish people tend to not overreact, unless it is something about religion and then a good minority lose all reason.

I see the argument for the saying the word with a common meaning that could be misinterpreted and don't criticise those who say that. Though my opinion is that it's ridiculous that a man might lose work over this.

And the smiley was an oversight, it was supposed to be a confused one.

If anyone wants to irk and piss off it is you. I just don't suffer people like you.

[earl warwick]

Who the f*ck do you think you are sunshine?

You criticise but don't provide any good basis for your argument to criticise, just offering some advice like you are a wise man. Dumbass.

And it's not about women now, but about language and who knows more about language and told you in detail what the word means?

Irish people tend not overreact, unless it is something about religion and then a good minority lose all reason.

I see the argument for the saying the word with a common meaning that could be misinterpreted and don't criticise those who say that. Though my opinion is that it's ridiculous that a man might lose work over this.

And the smiley was an oversight, it was supposed to be a confused one.

If anyone wants to irk and piss off it is you. I just don't suffer people like you.

A bad answer. You must be better than this, no? Have more understanding if someone gives you questions.

Irish tv would not allow a man to say Raped on a football show, eh? You avoid it, but it seems to be true.

Sorry if you are angry about my questions. They are just questions and about discussing.

[choda]

A bad answer. You must be better than this, no? Have more understanding if someone gives you questions.

Irish tv would not allow a man to say Raped on a football show, eh? You avoid it, but it seems to be true.

Sorry if you are angry about my questions. They are just questions and about discussing.

I'm sure Dunphy has said a lot worse and no one batted an eyelid. The Irish have a real flair for language as well and are a lot less uptight than the English.

Now, before someone gets offended England are better at many things than Ireland too. Infastructure, for example. Engineering, inventing and so on.

As for the rest of it, please stop talking in irk ridden riddles.

[earl warwick]

I'm sure Dunphy has said a lot worse and no one batted an eyelid. The Irish have a real flair for language as well and are a lot less uptight than the English.

Now, before someone gets offended England are better at many things than Ireland too. Infastructure, for example. Engineering, inventing and so on.

As for the rest of it, please stop talking in irk ridden riddles.

OK but saying Raped on Irish football tv has not happened. True or not? What would happen if it was said? Viewers would ignore it or be angry? Perhaps you know examples of Dunphy saying worse, and can repeat them, no?

"Irk ridden riddles" means what?

[gomessi]

I did say in another thread earl would be showing signs of jrio if he started arguing with choda....

[earl warwick]

I did say in another thread earl would be showing signs of jrio if he started arguing with choda....

OK, but how many have argued here? So i cannot argue like others but i made the first disagreement? That is wrong but i say why, not insult others.

[choda]

OK, but how many have argued here? So i cannot argue like others but i made the first disagreement? That is wrong but i say why, not insult others.

Actually, you have been insulting. Another classic Jrio trait, the passive aggressive comments, but 'oh I never used any language'.

There is no need to be narky or passive aggressive in a debate. Example, 'you are completely wrong', is one annoying comment early on. You'll notice I didn't say that to anyone, I did see where they were coming from and acknowledged it was an argument.

Then you go on with, 'you can write well, but you need to think more.' Go f*ck yourself, who died and made you King (see no evidence that you are even a decent poster yet). I made my points and made them well, if someone doesn't agree, fine, but don't try to patronise and bait people.

[Shuggie13]

OK but saying Raped on Irish football tv has not happened. True or not? What would happen if it was said? Viewers would ignore it or be angry? Perhaps you know examples of Dunphy saying worse, and can repeat them, no?

"Irk ridden riddles" means what?

Choda answers your question in the the post that he opened this thread up with.

[choda]

Dunphy called McCarthy a clown and a nothing manager at the very least live on air.

He said Brian Kerr was a rinky dink manager and a paranoid individual. He has repeatedly called Ronaldo a disgrace, a cheat, diver, birdbrain, poser and has said he makes our sport look like a laughing stock when you compare him to the big names in other sports, like Tiger Woods, O'Driscoll and Messi in our own.

Now, this is real controversial stuff, but he was just saying what he thought, this is REAL and people have a huge respect for authenticity here. It is actually demanded on rte, otherwise it's just rubbish like the beeb and sky. They say nothing, just play out time and merely repeat a basic outline of the games and football at the time and avoid anything remotely 'confrontational' or 'controversial'.

That's much much worse in my book and no one said anything about removing Dunphy and why would they?

[MiloMinderbinder]

As I said. Anyone that is offended by mere words really ought to view themselves as the problem rather than those espousing them.

If you were to talk about a Holoucaust in a football match would I be offended? Or would I be able to filter out what was meant to be an insult and what was an analogy.

The more I see these sorts of ridiculous stories the more I am convinced I live in a nation of morons incapabable of independent thought. And some people would have you beleive we live in a free country.

[mjbmedia]

The more I see these sorts of ridiculous stories the more I am convinced I live in a nation of morons incapabable of independent thought. .
who told you to say that?

[MiloMinderbinder]

who told you to say that?

God damn it MJ, that's twice in two days you've made me spit coffee all over my computer.

[earl warwick]

Actually, you have been insulting. Another classic Jrio trait, the passive aggressive comments, but 'oh I never used any language'.

There is no need to be narky or passive aggressive in a debate. Example, 'you are completely wrong', is one annoying comment early on. You'll notice I didn't say that to anyone, I did see where they were coming from and acknowledged it was an argument.

Then you go on with, 'you can write well, but you need to think more.' Go f*ck yourself, who died and made you King (see no evidence that you are even a decent poster yet). I made my points and made them well, if someone doesn't agree, fine, but don't try to patronise and bait people.
No you said I must have heard Raped in conversation, which is why i said youre completely wrong. It is not insulting. Insulting would be saying you are completely wrong, you malaka.

[MiloMinderbinder]

you malaka.

Cool, are we resorting to foreign insults now?

Job tvo je madj.

[earl warwick]

Choda answers your question in the the post that he opened this thread up with.

Do you think he is right? I have met Irish people and they told me that Ireland is very backward about sex matters. One man, Eamonn from Kerry, told me that a woman in his village was pregnant and with no husband and had to leave, because people thought her a whore. He told me that you can be raped in Ireland but have to have the baby if you become pregnant. I don't think you can say raped on Irish football tv, those other things yes, but words about sex things, no.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Look up the dictionary meaning of the word rape. Then find out it's origins (in Latin) to claim that it is a "sex word" is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

[earl warwick]

Look up the dictionary meaning of the word rape. Then find out it's origins (in Latin) to claim that it is a "sex word" is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

I don't think today people think about where a word is from. They think about what it means to others to say it now. If you say to someone i have raped you, no one thinks I have given you a hard tackle or another thing.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I don't think today people think about where a word is from. They think about what it means to others to say it now. If you say to someone i have raped you, no one thinks I have given you a hard tackle or another thing.

That's mainly because the Englsih lanaguage has been so bastardised over the years through ignorance that most people have not got a clue as to the application of words to a situation. Rape means to forcibly seize, nothing to do with sexual content etc.

I have recently been hearing the word "slaughter" or "massacre" being utterly missused by the moron media, in relation to just one killing. This illustrates my point precisely.

[choda]

Do you think he is right? I have met Irish people and they told me that Ireland is very backward about sex matters. One man, Eamonn from Kerry, told me that a woman in his village was pregnant and with no husband and had to leave, because people thought her a whore. He told me that you can be raped in Ireland but have to have the baby if you become pregnant. I don't think you can say raped on Irish football tv, those other things yes, but words about sex things, no.

I did say that it is very catholic country and the minority who are stupid and nutty behave in this way.

For example, yes, if a woman is raped she will have difficulty getting an abortion if she wants one. Madness like that exists in Ireland because you'd upset too many of the conditioned by catholism minority if you changed it.

But the use of language is another matter entirely.

[peterc]

God damn it MJ, that's twice in two days you've made me spit coffee all over my computer.

Going back to basics might be a good idea, old bean.:001_smile:

[choda]

I don't think today people think about where a word is from. They think about what it means to others to say it now. If you say to someone i have raped you, no one thinks I have given you a hard tackle or another thing.

You haven't listened to what I said or didn't understand it. If someone says 'I have raped you' (I think they'd know, lol) it means you have taken them by force, violated them. You can essentially only violate a body in one way. SEXUALLY.

However, if you said it in reference to something else it can mean something entirely different to a sexual assault because it's basic meaning is NOT a sexual one, for example in reference to taking possession of a football away from someone forcefully and against their will.

CONTEXT.

Steal the ball doesnt quite cover it sometimes, neither does assault and then stealing the ball either as that would imply a foul. He raped him there, looking at piece of football footage is completely asexual, it is correct English and it was completely apt to describe that tackle. I couldn't think of a better description actually in hindsight.

That most people don't have the command of the language or sufficient education is a factor in interpretation, but that doesn't mean it is right. It is actually wrong.

You can't claim ignorance of the law in court, can you?

But I accept that people think it could cause offence through the way it will be interpreted by many.

What I think should have happened is someone with good english should've made a statement for Alan Pardew apologising for any offence that may have been caused but that any offence would really be through misinterpretation of the correct use of the word and that in fact Mr. Pardew had not done anything untoward and was actually speaking in perfect use of the language.

Whether he knows that or not I don't know. Lol.

[TURKISH]

You haven't listened to what I said or didn't understand it. If someone says 'I have raped you' (I think they'd know, lol) it means you have taken them by force, violated them. You can essentially only violate a body in one way. SEXUALLY.

However, if you said it in reference to something else it can mean something entirely different to a sexual assault because it's basic meaning is NOT a sexual one, for example in reference to taking possession of a football away from someone forcefully and against their will.

CONTEXT.

Steal the ball doesnt quite cover it sometimes, neither does assault and then stealing the ball either as that would imply a foul. He raped him there, looking at piece of football footage is completely asexual, it is correct English and it was completely apt to describe that tackle. I couldn't think of a better description actually in hindsight.

That most people don't have the command of the language or sufficient education is a factor in interpretation, but that doesn't mean it is right. It is actually wrong.

You can't claim ignorance of the law in court, can you?

But I accept that people think it could cause offence through the way it will be interpreted by many.

What I think should have happened is someone with good english should've made a statement for Alan Pardew apoligising for any offence that may have been caused but that any offence would really be through misinterpretation of the correct use of the word and that in fact Mr. Pardew had not done anything untoward and was actually speaking in perfect use of the language.

Whether he knows that or not I don't know. Lol.

http://i40.tinypic.com/25k6dq9.jpg

[earl warwick]

You haven't listened to what I said or didn't understand it. If someone says 'I have raped you' (I think they'd know, lol) it means you have taken them by force, violated them. You can essentially only violate a body in one way. SEXUALLY.

However, if you said it in reference to something else it can mean something entirely different to a sexual assault because it's basic meaning is NOT a sexual one, for example in reference to taking possession of a football away from someone forcefully and against their will.

CONTEXT.

Steal the ball doesnt quite cover it sometimes, neither does assault and then stealing the ball either as that would imply a foul. He raped him there, looking at piece of football footage is completely asexual, it is correct English and it was completely apt to describe that tackle. I couldn't think of a better description actually in hindsight.

That most people don't have the command of the language or sufficient education is a factor in interpretation, but that doesn't mean it is right. It is actually wrong.

You can't claim ignorance of the law in court, can you?

But I accept that people think it could cause offence through the way it will be interpreted by many.

What I think should have happened is someone with good english should've made a statement for Alan Pardew apoligising for any offence that may have been caused but that any offence would really be through misinterpretation of the correct use of the word and that in fact Mr. Pardew had not done anything untoward and was actually speaking in perfect use of the language.

Whether he knows that or not I don't know. Lol.

I think you can say such thing in a pub with mates but it is different with other people. My girlfriend would be very angry if i said raped about football when she is with me.

If you are talking in front of millions of people you must make sure you don't use words that can shock them. It would be a shock if a player was interviewed after a heavy defeat and said that his team had been raped.

I have followed this story on the BBC website. It says that Pardew apologised and that the staff all thought he said Raked. I don't know what a person with good english would be. I don't think Pardew is an expert in the meaning of words. If a spokesman gave the explanation like you say, I don't think Pardew would be getting any more work. You say it is correct but people don't want lessons in english when watching tv

[Gino Ginelli]

http://i40.tinypic.com/25k6dq9.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[mjbmedia]

Turkish, you gotta stop putting all these pictures in every thread, its cracking us up, do you spend all day trolling (oopss sorry), surfing the web for them? or are they all emailed to you by your mates?

[choda]

I think you can say such thing in a pub with mates but it is different with other people. My girlfriend would be very angry if i said raped about football when she is with me.

If you are talking in front of millions of people you must make sure you don't use words that can shock them. It would be a shock if a player was interviewed after a heavy defeat and said that his team had been raped.

I have followed this story on the BBC website. It says that Pardew apologised and that the staff all thought he said Raked. I don't know what a person with good english would be. I don't think Pardew is an expert in the meaning of words. If a spokesman gave the explanation like you say, I don't think Pardew would be getting any more work. You say it is correct but people don't want lessons in english when watching tv

That's the first decent post you've made on this thread. I still don't agree with it, but I do accept there is that side to the argument, that it will be misunderstood.

Btw, you wouldn't say your team had been raped, that would be a metaphor and a bit too graphic a one to use on telly.

The thing is I get the feeling Pardew used it in the metaphorical sense and didn't know the basic meaning of the word either.

As for people not wanting lessons in English when watching telly, well that's just basic English to me. I'm just continually amazed at the ignorance we see so often nowadays.

[TURKISH]

Turkish, you gotta stop putting all these pictures in every thread, its cracking us up, do you spend all day trolling (oopss sorry), surfing the web for them? or are they all emailed to you by your mates?

One's like that I would normally find them on other boards I visit and save them to use on here.

Others I just think of them on the spot. I do it for my own personal pleasure really.

[Rojoknapp]

Cool, are we resorting to foreign insults now?

Job tvo je madj.

Hijo de puta :glare:

[earl warwick]

That's the first decent post you've made on this thread. I still don't agree with it, but I do accept there is that side to the argument, that it will be misunderstood.

Btw, you wouldn't say your team had been raped, that would be a metaphor and a bit too graphic a one to use on telly.

The thing is I get the feeling Pardew used it in the metaphorical sense and didn't know the basic meaning of the word either.

As for people not wanting lessons in English when watching telly, well that's just basic English to me. I'm just continually amazed at the ignorance we see so often nowadays.

Again your rudeness. I can say I think you are wrong because it is my opinion, i don't say you talk like shit. If we all think the same there is no debate. But I read that stuff about you and now understand about the drugs, and how it has affected you. OK, you seem odd but i see why.

[choda]

Again your rudeness. I can say I think you are wrong because it is my opinion, i don't say you talk like shit. If we all think the same there is no debate. But I read that stuff about you and now understand about the drugs, and how it has affected you. OK, you seem odd but i see why.

Lol, you started the rudeness pal. And if you want to get narky, and you already were from the start, I think you are very odd. Most of the time I don't even know what you are on about.

Your posts are confusing, incoherent and you behave like you are of superior intelligence when you are actually a bit of a turdbrain. That's the most confusing thing of all.

I wouldn't take me on pal if I were you. And I don't see you getting any respect from other members, many have commented on your oddities, even thinking you are Jrio who most of the regulars thought was a real odd fish.

If you are not Jrio, want respect and prove you have a good brain then make good posts and don't get narky and especially not when you aren't backing it up with good stuff.

[Shuggie13]

Lol, you started the rudeness pal. And if you want to get narky, and you already were from the start, I think you are very odd. Most of the time I don't even know what you are on about.

Your posts are confusing, incoherent and you behave like you are of superior intelligence when you are actually a bit of a turdbrain. That's the most confusing thing of all.

I wouldn't take me on pal if I were you. And I don't see you getting any respect from other members, many have commented on your oddities, even thinking you are Jrio who most of the regulars thought was a real odd fish.

If you are not Jrio, want respect and prove you have a good brain then make good posts and don't get narky and especially not when you aren't backing it up with good stuff.

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn, sister be mad! You go girl!

http://neilthecoach.com/images/angry_woman.jpg

[hastingsyid]

fuc/k sake this pc bollox is getting worse

[Gino Ginelli]

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn, sister be mad! You go girl!

http://neilthecoach.com/images/angry_woman.jpg

:scared: :scared:

This is flat out one of the scariest and disturbing images I have ever seen!!!

I'm gonna have nightmares now!!! :crying:

[earl warwick]

Lol, you started the rudeness pal. And if you want to get narky, and you already were from the start, I think you are very odd. Most of the time I don't even know what you are on about.

Your posts are confusing, incoherent and you behave like you are of superior intelligence when you are actually a bit of a turdbrain. That's the most confusing thing of all.

I wouldn't take me on pal if I were you. And I don't see you getting any respect from other members, many have commented on your oddities, even thinking you are Jrio who most of the regulars thought was a real odd fish.

If you are not Jrio, want respect and prove you have a good brain then make good posts and don't get narky and especially not when you aren't backing it up with good stuff.

People that say pal are guffalas. I expect you would rape me but it might be that you have a strong tackle. With your drugs I think.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Going back to basics might be a good idea, old bean.:001_smile:

What?

Anyone else got a clue what he's wittering on about?

[mjbmedia]

Ahh i gotta say this forums great now Ive got Chonan on ignore, now if only there was a way to stop people quoting him too , then id never have to see any of its inane insulting two faced ramblings again.... bliss

Just how much do you have to donate to this forum to be allowed to post some of the crap this chap gets away with whilst still being able (seemingly) to attack others with gay abandon and start up 'i hate Jrio/ i hate Peter/i hate MJB' campaigns.
dont bother spitting venom back cos unless someone quotes it I wont see it.


O one last thing.........."you dont want to take me on pal!"
or "if i want to come to your door!" ooooooooo hard man , we're all shitting our pants over your toughness. lmao

[Shuggie13]

Who would have predicted this time last week that Alan Pardew would be the cause of such a lively thread. :001_rolleyes:

[mjbmedia]

Who would have predicted this time last week that Alan Pardew would be the cause of such a lively thread. :001_rolleyes:
aye Shugs its a funny old game

[peterc]

What?

Anyone else got a clue what he's wittering on about?


Have you been spliffing again?. :001_tt2: :001_tt2: Going back to basics where you won't spill coffee on you computer.:001_rolleyes:

[peterc]

Ahh i gotta say this forums great now Ive got Chonan on ignore, now if only there was a way to stop people quoting him too , then id never have to see any of its inane insulting two faced ramblings again.... bliss

Just how much do you have to donate to this forum to be allowed to post some of the crap this chap gets away with whilst still being able (seemingly) to attack others with gay abandon and start up 'i hate Jrio/ i hate Peter/i hate MJB' campaigns.
dont bother spitting venom back cos unless someone quotes it I wont see it.


O one last thing.........."you dont want to take me on pal!"
or "if i want to come to your door!" ooooooooo hard man , we're all shitting our pants over your toughness. lmao


Hear, hear totally agree.

[singapore spur]

is there something in the air over there , this last page is gobbledy gook , guflahs wtf are gufflas ,and peter dont ever quote john major again , silly adulterous boring old fool .

[peterc]

=singapore spur;134045]is there something in the air over there , this last page is gobbledy gook , guflahs wtf are gufflas ,and peter dont ever quote john major again , silly adulterous boring old fool .

Sorry mate, might do MM some good.:wink:

[choda]

RALMAO.

God I would be insulted.

Seriously lads, ye really need to get a life.

Mjb was grand until recently, I don't know what he's been drinking lately or if the recession is hitting you hard.

I've never insulted you fella, unless you started the insulting first and acting like a total f*ckwit.

If someone disagrees with your argument and challenges it with points you don't like don't get offended by that and then try to start a fight for God's sake, it's only a debate.

If you look at every case where we've had an argument lately it started like that. Really need to grow up pal. You apologised the first time like a man, then you just repeated it and didn't apologise and now you have really lost the plot.

Oh and still 'having a laugh' Peter or is that just the front for your petty rubbish (I already knew the answer)?

I'm quite vocal so you have to expect some ridiculous criticism from some people I guess.

[singapore spur]

Sorry mate, might do MM some good.:wink:


you are forgiven , and i didnt mean to call you boring or old :001_smile:

[Rojoknapp]

RALMAO.

God I would be insulted.

Seriously lads, ye really need to get a life.

Mjb was grand until recently, I don't know what he's been drinking lately or if the recession is hitting you hard.

I've never insulted you fella, unless you started the insulting first and acting like a total f*ckwit.

If someone disagrees with your argument and challenges it with points you don't like don't get offended by that and then try to start a fight for God's sake, it's only a debate.

If you look at every case where we've had an argument lately it started like that. Really need to grow up pal. You apologised the first time like a man, then you just repeated it and didn't apologise and now you have really lost the plot.

Oh and still 'having a laugh' Peter or is that just the front for your petty rubbish (I already knew the answer)?

I'm quite vocal so you have to expect some ridiculous criticism from some people I guess.

Why are you talking to two people who have you on ignore? :lol: :confused1:

[TURKISH]

I come back from work to this.:001_rolleyes:

Suffer little children.

[earl warwick]

Why are you talking to two people who have you on ignore? :lol: :confused1:

I think he will ignore your comment. :wink:

[choda]

Why are you talking to two people who have you on ignore? :lol: :confused1:

Lol, yea I guess I hadn't thought of that. Just wanted to tell them that I never said I hated them, or started any threads on it either. I don't hate them. Just because you put your opinion out there and it happens to be polar opposite to theirs on many occassions or challenge their points with your points it doesn't mean you hate them.

I don't accept their behaviour after they start a problem for no real reason other than you are saying something different or they find it hard to argue with your points or that you aren't afraid to say what you think about it and it happens to be opposite to them.

These fellas really need to grow up.

[earl warwick]

One fella definitely needs to grow up.

[hastingsyid]

fu/ck sake ive spent the morning with my 3 mnth old granson and hes more grown up then you minges:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[mjbmedia]

fu/ck sake ive spent the morning with my 3 mnth old granson and hes more grown up then you minges:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
are you teaching him how to swear? hehe

[eastcoastspurs]

are you teaching him how to swear? hehe

Trust me the littlen is more grown up than hastings lol

[hastingsyid]

Trust me the littlen is more grown up than hastings lol

ill be round yours in morning pal


and give u a slap:sneaky2:

[peterc]

I come back from work to this.:001_rolleyes:

Suffer little children.


Un-necessary name callng and being abusive to others for no reason is being childish. Amazing how some get away with practically anything, whilst others don't. Rule for some and rules for others maybe. Just my opinion.:001_smile:

[eastcoastspurs]

ill be round yours in morning pal


and give u a slap:sneaky2:

:scared: :scared: :scared: Do you want soldiers with you"re boiled eggs:001_tongue:

[TURKISH]

Un-necessary name callng and being abusive to others for no reason is being childish. Amazing how some get away with practically anything, whilst others don't. Rule for some and rules for others maybe. Just my opinion.:001_smile:

That wasn't aimed at you, its just an excuse to quote the smiths.:001_smile:

You know your last sentence isn't true, what more do you guys want from us mods? We can't ban anyone, we get your pm's and discuss the situation. We can only advise people how to be behave and if people still arent happy then pm the boss. We try and defuse the situation, which is what one mod has done since he recieved a pm from you.

People moan that they don't want us to change the place but then moan when nothing is being done. Hastings is dealing with the situation and hopefully these silly arguments will end someday.

[peterc]

That wasn't aimed at you, its just an excuse to quote the smiths.:001_smile:

You know your last sentence isn't true, what more do you guys want from us mods? We can't ban anyone, we get your pm's and discuss the situation. We can only advise people how to be behave and if people still arent happy then pm the boss. We try and defuse the situation, which is what one mod has done since he recieved a pm from you.

People moan that they don't want us to change the place but then moan when nothing is being done. Hastings is dealing with the situation and hopefully these silly arguments will end someday.

Fair enough, I appreciate that your jobs as mods is not an easy one, it must be extremely difficult to satisfy all. We all would like to try and get on as much as possible, however, the un-necessary name calling and abuse needs to stop. We are supposed to be grown enough to avoid even discussing such matters. I never and will never request anyone to be banned, however I would like to see a much friendlier atmosphere, afterall, we do support and love the same team. COYS:001_smile:

[TURKISH]

Fair enough, I appreciate that your jobs as mods is not an easy one, it must be extremely difficult to satisfy all. We all would like to try and get on as much as possible, however, the un-necessary name calling and abuse needs to stop. We are supposed to be grown enough to avoid even discussing such matters. I never and will never request anyone to be banned, however I would like to see a much friendlier atmosphere, afterall, we do support and love the same team. COYS:001_smile:

I agree but I just wanted to make it clear that Hastings is dealing with the situation otherwise people will get the wrong impression.

[TURKISH]

LOL, it just gets funnier by the day. Now Peter wants me banned does he?

No he never.

[choda]

No he never.

I deleted that after I saw his last post. But I still think this is truly hilarious.

[earl warwick]

That wasn't aimed at you, its just an excuse to quote the smiths.:001_smile:

You know your last sentence isn't true, what more do you guys want from us mods? We can't ban anyone, we get your pm's and discuss the situation. We can only advise people how to be behave and if people still arent happy then pm the boss. We try and defuse the situation, which is what one mod has done since he recieved a pm from you.

People moan that they don't want us to change the place but then moan when nothing is being done. Hastings is dealing with the situation and hopefully these silly arguments will end someday.

I wanted a job, and then I found a job
Heaven knows I'm miserable now.

More suitable, I think. :001_smile:

[TURKISH]

I wanted a job, and then I found a job
Heaven knows I'm miserable now.

More suitable, I think. :001_smile:

HA HA Sure does.

[gomessi]

what the hell is going on I thought jrio was the root of all evil:001_rolleyes:

cant we just all get on (I know I've been a prick at times) but I love you all really.

[mjbmedia]

cant we just all get on
o god now JS is quoting Martin Luther King

Turkish is quoting....anything that comes into his head

and as for Neil, well he just quotes himself "Talk about the game in here before, during and after"

[MiloMinderbinder]

HA HA Sure does.

....the sunshines out of our behinds.

Or in some people's cases any line from Reel around the Fountain :blush: