Roma v scum

[gomessi]

I've got this horrible horrible feeling. Think the scum will nick it orwin it on pens.


COME ON ROMA

[TURKISH]

FORZA ROMA!!!!!!!!!!!


I have a bad feeling also JS.:sad:

[Spur]

Baptista should be put out of his misery and shot.

[TURKISH]

Baptista should be put out of his misery and shot.

20million to Spurs?

[gomessi]

the passig in extra time was absolutly shit. roma and arsenal look absolutly knacjered.

montella just got subbed on and I reckon he'll take the pen.

totti
montella
aquillani
risse

hopefully them 4 take it :001_smile:

ITS ON SKY SPORTS 2 NOW GO WATCH IT

[mjbmedia]

come on piss Alan big nose Smith off, i wanna hear him cry the ******

[mjbmedia]

good luck to the fans getting home safely .
i sincerely hope they do get home safely even though theyre Scum

[TURKISH]

****s...........

[mjbmedia]

well lets have all 4 semi final slots for Premier League teams

[peterc]

Scum are bloody lucky.:cursing: :cursing:

[gomessi]

****ing piece of shit that doni is:cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

walcotts was so easily savable how the hell did that go through his hands!!!!!

and a couple down th e midle should have been saved.

****ing scum lucky again should have lost it when clichy gave away a clear pen:cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

I've never seen a goalie pull up with cramp just before the shoot out!!

how the **** did they get so lucky:angry:

[gomessi]

well lets have all 4 semi final slots for Premier League teams

you want 4 english teams in the semis:scared: :thumbdown:

[TURKISH]

good luck to the fans getting home safely .
i sincerely hope they do get home safely even though theyre Scum

I don't not after what there fans did after the fvcking youth cup game when there fans went after families.

[gomessi]

I don't not after what there fans did after the fvcking youth cup game when there fans went after families.

so are you saying you dont mind if they get hurt out in rome?

[earl warwick]

Scum are bloody lucky.:cursing: :cursing:

Luck has nothing to do with it.

[gomessi]

Luck has nothing to do with it.

even though I like to think the scum got lucky I've got to agree with you.

tHE scum werent lucky its DONIS FAULT for not saving a couple of the savable pens (walcotts, denlsons)

[TURKISH]

so are you saying you dont mind if they get hurt out in rome?

Well obviously, the mouthy ones who were giving it the biggen last week. Not the proper fans who only support the club, just a good slap for the others.

[gomessi]

Well obviously, the mouthy ones who were giving it the biggen last week. Not the proper fans who only support the club, just a good slap for the others.

somehow I cant see a fight being just a "good slap". Expected better from a mod:001_rolleyes:

[peterc]

Luck has nothing to do with it.

I think so, Roma had the chances to score at least one more tonight.

[earl warwick]

even though I like to think the scum got lucky I've got to agree with you.

tHE scum werent lucky its DONIS FAULT for not saving a couple of the savable pens (walcotts, denlsons)

I think you miss my point through your anger.

Arsenal have a complete sense of confidence and superiority, something that has been inculcated in their club since Wenger took over, yet it has been there in the past before Graham, a sense that they are a superior club. Wenger has reinforced that.

Spurs, in comparison, look like small-timers, a club lacking in belief and confidence. Nicholson brought the club to a higher level, in fact made the club a major power. I don't see that happening ever again, but I am a pessimist, having followed the club over 3 decades I would say a realist, in that it is no Red side.

[gomessi]

I think you miss my point through your anger.

Arsenal have a complete sense of confidence and superiority, something that has been inculcated in their club since Wenger took over, yet it has been there in the past before Graham, a sense that they are a superior club. Wenger has reinforced that.

Spurs, in comparison, look like small-timers, a club lacking in belief and confidence. Nicholson brought the club to a higher level, in fact made the club a major power. I don't see that happening ever again, but I am a pessimist, having followed the club over 3 decades I would say a realist, in that it is no Red side.

good post and I agree with you up until the last sentence.. :001_smile:

[earl warwick]

I think so, Roma had the chances to score at least one more tonight.Luck is what you cite when having lost. Very finely balanced at high levels. Cream rises to the top, no?

[TURKISH]

somehow I cant see a fight being just a "good slap". Expected better from a mod:001_rolleyes:

Why do you nitpick everything I say? My job as a mod is to keep the numpties away and keep the site flowing, not to become mother theresa and care for the arsenal thugs. As everyone has stated they don't want the forum to change or be ruled with an iron fist so why does this bother you now?

You don't bring up anyone else's behaviour do you? Stop trying to make yourself look big if you have a problem with me just PM and sort it out like a man, instead of making bitching comments that only a woman makes. Maybe your comment came after you got upset with the banter from the past couple of days?

I honestly can't stand you at times, so smug, arrogant and pompous its unreal. I'm not saint myself but don't try make me look bad when I aven't said anything wrong.

[gomessi]

Luck is what you cite when having lost. Very finely balanced at high levels. Cream rises to the top, no?

you are correct mate peter has some strange understanding of the game IMO.

as someone once said the more I practice the luckier I get.


TAKE NOTE HARRY AND PETER (harry said we didnt practice pens wengers teams do:wink: )

[peterc]

Luck is what you cite when having lost.* Very finely balanced at high levels.* Cream rises to the top, no?*

I believe that Roma had much more chances tonight to have scored more than one goal, shame they didn't, but on the other hand the scum did have luck on their side, anyway, for what it's worth, that's just my opnion.:001_smile:

[earl warwick]

good post and I agree with you up until the last sentence.. :001_smile:

You will live until well over 100, the Jesus. You will see things no Spurs fan can ever easily imagine in these times. You will be the Steven Hawkings, or the Jared Diamond, of a new generation. I wish you well, but do not envy you.

[peterc]

you are correct mate peter has some strange understanding of the game IMO.

as someone once said the more I practice the luckier I get.


TAKE NOTE HARRY AND PETER (harry said we didnt practice pens wengers teams do:wink: )

Not as strange as your managerial skills:001_tt2: :001_tt2: .

[gomessi]

Why do you nitpick everything I say? My job as a mod is to keep the numpties away and keep the site flowing, not to become mother theresa and care for the arsenal thugs. As everyone has stated they don't want the forum to change or be ruled with an iron fist so why does this bother you now?

You don't bring up anyone else's behaviour do you? Stop trying to make yourself look big if you have a problem with me just PM and sort it out like a man, instead of making bitching comments that only a woman makes. Maybe your comment came after you got upset with the banter from the past couple of days?

I honestly can't stand you at times, so smug, arrogant and pompous its unreal. I'm not saint myself but don't try make me look bad when I aven't said anything wrong.

I just diagreed with your comments. I wouldnt like to see an arsenal "thug" get a "slap".

Not my fault I disagree with you:thumbdown: .

I havent got a problem with the banter honestly I just think its uncivilised to say that. They might be thugs but these incidents should eb dealt with properly.

I'm sorry if you got upset about such a minor disagreement :glare:

[TURKISH]

I just diagreed with your comments. I wouldnt like to see an arsenal "thug" get a "slap".

Not my fault I disagree with you:thumbdown: .

I havent got a problem with the banter honestly I just think its uncivilised to say that. They might be thugs but these incidents should eb dealt with properly.

I'm sorry if you got upset about such a minor disagreement :glare:

It wasn't a minor disagreement was it? Your whole point of making a big deal out of it was to make me look bad as usual. Why should I care for the same arsenal thugs who ran up the high street looking to beat up innocent spurs fans?

You always make these sort of comments to me in an arrogant way and I've had enough. I can't be asked with you anymore. There was a way in making your point but you decided to give a back handed comment.

[gomessi]

It wasn't a minor disagreement was it? Your whole point of making a big deal out of it was to make me look bad as usual. Why should I care for the same arsenal thugs who ran up the high street looking to beat up innocent spurs fans?

You always make these sort of comments to me in an arrogant way and I've had enough. I can't be asked with you anymore. There was a way in making your point but you decided to give a back handed comment.

good do whatever you want.

I wasnt making a big deal out of it all I said was I wouldnt like to see any harm come the way of arse fans even if some of them are thugs.

Not sure why you think my comments make you look arrogant. :confused1:

[TURKISH]

good do whatever you want.

I wasnt making a big deal out of it all I said was I wouldnt like to see any harm come the way of arse fans even if some of them are thugs.

Not sure why you think my comments make you look arrogant. :confused1:

When I say I've had enough with you I mean not bother talking or acknowledgeing you.

Read my post again (why do you always misread posts?) how have I said you make me look arrogant?

[choda]

I think you miss my point through your anger.

Arsenal have a complete sense of confidence and superiority, something that has been inculcated in their club since Wenger took over, yet it has been there in the past before Graham, a sense that they are a superior club. Wenger has reinforced that.

Spurs, in comparison, look like small-timers, a club lacking in belief and confidence. Nicholson brought the club to a higher level, in fact made the club a major power. I don't see that happening ever again, but I am a pessimist, having followed the club over 3 decades I would say a realist, in that it is no Red side.

You need a special manager like Bill Nic, like Fergie and so on. Spurs had a decline at the very worst time, when the money came pouring in and rewarded those doing well.

Arsenal were doing well and got Wenger at just the right time as well.

So it is harder now, but not impossible.

We have a chairman now that gives us a chance to do it. He will provide the cash, but we need someone to break the thick glass ceiling. It will be hard with a good few teams sniffing about the cl places these days and some big cash monsters and top managers.

Wenger is giving everyone a chance though as he's kinda losing the plot a bit.

He never had it in europe but he was a great prem manager.

I think Harry will have a right go in fairness to him. Making the cl a few times (not necessarily in a row) and building the stadium are necessities to give us a foothold of power at the top end of things.

That's an enormous ask for him, if he does it he will prove himself as a great manager.

[gomessi]

When I say I've had enough with you I mean not bother talking or acknowledgeing you.

Read my post again (why do you always misread posts?) how have I said you make me look arrogant?

sorry typed it incorreclty meant to say you think I'm arrogant.

I really cant understand why you think I come across arrogantly. If I disagree with you I'll say so.

Lets just get along and stop making this into a running argument because its non issue for me.

[TURKISH]

I think what will help is not allowing the teams that finish third in the cl groups to qualify for Uefa and lowering the number of teams that are qf for both competitions. I remember when to win the Uefa cup was a big deal because only the top teams were aloud to qf for the champions league.

[gomessi]

You need a special manager like Bill Nic, like Fergie and so on. Spurs had a decline at the very worst time, when the money came pouring in and rewarded those doing well.

Arsenal were doing well and got Wenger at just the right time as well.

So it is harder now, but not impossible.

We have a chairman now that gives us a chance to do it. He will provide the cash, but we need someone to break the thick glass ceiling. It will be hard with a good few teams sniffing about the cl places these days and some big cash monsters and top managers.

Wenger is giving everyone a chance though as he's kinda losing the plot a bit.

He never had it in europe but he was a great prem manager.

I think Harry will have a right go in fairness to him. Making the cl a few times (not necessarily in a row) and building the stadium are necessities to give us a foothold of power at the top end of things.

That's an enormous ask for him, if he does it he will prove himself as a great manager.

didnt arsenal challenge for the title last season.

[Rojoknapp]

didnt arsenal challenge for the title last season.

Where did they finish though?

[TURKISH]

didnt arsenal challenge for the title last season.

But for how long? To which they ended up 3rd, but to be fair they did shock everyone with how well they did. There season went tits up after we bashed them 5.1.

[gomessi]

Where did they finish though?

3rd. that wenger is shit finished a whopping 4 points off the best team in the world.

I wish we could go to that sort of level where finishing 4 points off top is seen as a failure.

Face the facts rojo he has done wonders for the scum and they'll come back stronger.

They BUILD TEAMS we just collect a bunch of weak minded players.
I hate them as much as you do but the reality is wenger is building something relally good because he is a good manager who has a job as long as he wants it.

Levy could learn a thing or 2 (I dont mean getting a crappy goon scout btw)

[Rojoknapp]

3rd. that wenger is shit finished a whopping 4 points off the best team in the world.

I wish we could go to that sort of level where finishing 4 points off top is seen as a failure.

Face the facts rojo he has done wonders for the scum and they'll come back stronger.

They BUILD TEAMS we just collect a bunch of weak minded players.
I hate them as much as you do but the reality is wenger is building something relally good because he is a good manager who has a job as long as he wants it.

Levy could learn a thing or 2 (I dont mean getting a crappy goon scout btw)

I didn't even say anything about Wenger or Arsenal :confused1: I just asked where they finished. And to be honest, they don't actually build teams, or they wouldn't have sold Hleb and Flamini. Fabregas will follow Hleb to Barca if Arsenal don't get CL as well.

[TURKISH]

3rd. that wenger is shit finished a whopping 4 points off the best team in the world.

I wish we could go to that sort of level where finishing 4 points off top is seen as a failure.

Face the facts rojo he has done wonders for the scum and they'll come back stronger.

They BUILD TEAMS we just collect a bunch of weak minded players.
I hate them as much as you do but the reality is wenger is building something relally good because he is a good manager who has a job as long as he wants it.

Levy could learn a thing or 2 (I dont mean getting a crappy goon scout btw)

But there meant to be winning cups and leagues, how many times in the last five years have they actually challenged for the league? There going backwards at the moment, will it continue? Most likely but with there stadium and profile they will always be a top four team.

But will wenger stay on after he's contract expires in 2010?

[earl warwick]

You need a special manager like Bill Nic, like Fergie and so on. Spurs had a decline at the very worst time, when the money came pouring in and rewarded those doing well.

Arsenal were doing well and got Wenger at just the right time as well.

So it is harder now, but not impossible.

We have a chairman now that gives us a chance to do it. He will provide the cash, but we need someone to break the thick glass ceiling. It will be hard with a good few teams sniffing about the cl places these days and some big cash monsters and top managers.

Wenger is giving everyone a chance though as he's kinda losing the plot a bit.

He never had it in europe but he was a great prem manager.

I think Harry will have a right go in fairness to him. Making the cl a few times (not necessarily in a row) and building the stadium are necessities to give us a foothold of power at the top end of things.

That's an enormous ask for him, if he does it he will prove himself as a great manager.
The stadium won't happen in the next 10 years. Financially, it's an impossible task.

Redknapp is at the end of his career. Solid but very unspectacular.

Daniel is a very strong controller of finances and nothing more. City will blow us out of the water for the next few years or more. That is where we are. As they say, we didn't get smaller, but the pictures got a lot bigger. We are back where we are when ENIC took over. Nearly ten years ago.

[choda]

didnt arsenal challenge for the title last season.

And it went to pot because he wouldn't spend the money he needed to. Then lost Flamini, who was so important to them and didnt replace him. Had all summer to buy a dm, a powerful dominant centre back and a top keeper. Didn't do it. Too stubborn.

Never had enough dimensions for the champions league. At that level they are so readable. They will try to play through you down the middle. Too stubborn. Won't admit when he is wrong and improve setup, coaching and tactics.

Only ever really worked in the premier league with the pace it is played at ball given away a lot and you can counter quickly.

Always failed in europe except one season when they were quite fortunate in one or two games to get to the final and met teams well out of sorts or form.

All bar one year out of 12 or so goes out in a whimper playing poorly.

[choda]

The stadium won't happen in the next 10 years. Financially, it's an impossible task.

Redknapp is at the end of his career. Solid but very unspectacular.

Daniel is a very strong controller of finances and nothing more. City will blow us out of the water for the next few years or more. That is where we are. As they say, we didn't get smaller, but the pictures got a lot bigger. We are back where we are when ENIC took over. Nearly ten years ago.

That's untrue, the squad is miles better than when they took over, if a bit imbalanced but that was management decisions. We now have a better manager than ten years ago too.

Even with the current squad Harry would have us in seventh place if it was since he took over and challenging for the cl. That's not including two big players that have just come in, Keane and Palacious, in two very needed areas.

Plus Levy has poured money into club. It is undeniable. Sugar was just a very strong controller of finances. Levy has done that while expanding income and providing enormous transfer funds. You are indeed a pessismist. :001_smile:

[TURKISH]

And it went to pot because he wouldn't spend the money he needed to. Then lost Flamini, who was so important to them and didnt replace him. Had all summer to buy a dm, a powerful dominant centre back and a top keeper. Didn't do it. Too stubborn.

Never had enough dimensions for the champions league. At that level they are so readable. They will try to play through you down the middle. Too stubborn. Won't admit when he is wrong and improve setup, coaching and tactics.

Only ever really worked in the premier league with the pace it is played at ball given away a lot and you can counter quickly.

Always failed in europe except one season when they were quite fortunate in one or two games to get to the final and met teams well out of sorts or form.

All bar one year out of 12 or so goes out in a whimper playing poorly.

Stubborn? I don't think the club has that much money to spend and are banking on qualifing for the cl and other endorsments. I actually reckon that Arsene doesn't want to risk the clubs future by buying just because the fans say so.

If he has money he will spend just like anyother manager.

[gomessi]

And it went to pot because he wouldn't spend the money he needed to. Then lost Flamini, who was so important to them and didnt replace him. Had all summer to buy a dm, a powerful dominant centre back and a top keeper. Didn't do it. Too stubborn.

Never had enough dimensions for the champions league. At that level they are so readable. They will try to play through you down the middle. Too stubborn. Won't admit when he is wrong and improve setup, coaching and tactics.

Only ever really worked in the premier league with the pace it is played at ball given away a lot and you can counter quickly.

Always failed in europe except one season when they were quite fortunate in one or two games to get to the final and met teams well out of sorts or form.

All bar one year out of 12 or so goes out in a whimper playing poorly.

I'd rather we had wenger as manager despite all his fauls his teams play great footie and have been in the top 4 every year buying players that fit into his team.

He is stubborn but he sticks to his principles and bives youth a chance. If walcott was at spurs he'd be shit. Look at us we put bale in against man u away that isnt how you bring youngsters throuh.

Arsenal will be ahead of us for a very long time :sad:

[choda]

I'd rather we had wenger as manager despite all his fauls his teams play great footie and have been in the top 4 every year buying players that fit into his team.

He is stubborn but he sticks to his principles and bives youth a chance. If walcott was at spurs he'd be shit. Look at us we put bale in against man u away that isnt how you bring youngsters throuh.

Arsenal will be ahead of us for a very long time :sad:

That wasn't my argument. He is extremely good in some ways and I made the point that if he was our manager as opposed to them down the road in the last 12 years we'd be looking at a different situation altogether.

[TURKISH]

I'd rather we had wenger as manager despite all his fauls his teams play great footie and have been in the top 4 every year buying players that fit into his team.

He is stubborn but he sticks to his principles and bives youth a chance. If walcott was at spurs he'd be shit. Look at us we put bale in against man u away that isnt how you bring youngsters throuh.

Arsenal will be ahead of us for a very long time :sad:

Has Walcott been good? Only game I seen where he has lived up to the hype was when he played for england and scored a hattrick, but for arsenal hasn't done it consistently ever.

[gomessi]

Has Walcott been good? Only game I seen where he has lived up to the hype was when he played for england and scored a hattrick, but for arsenal hasn't done it consistently ever.

he was very good this season before his injury.

Put it this way. 3 years ago lennon was seen as a better prospect then had an absolute crash in form wheras wenger has slowly but surely improved walnuts overall game.

We are crap at deveoping/coaching talent as daws/lennon/hudd will testify to.

[choda]

Stubborn? I don't think the club has that much money to spend and are banking on qualifing for the cl and other endorsments. I actually reckon that Arsene doesn't want to risk the clubs future by buying just because the fans say so.

If he has money he will spend just like anyother manager.

Well the board of Arsenal say different. They say they have never refused to buy a player he wanted and that there is 50 million in the coffers for transfers, but he never spends it. They are in debt with the stadium, but very stable financially and can still spend based on earnings coming in and future earnings or some shit. Basically there is no worries about spending, he just doesn't want to do it.

Plus its not just money I am referring to. Some players in the last few years were available at a reasonable price, top players that he probably could've gotten in needed positions, but he ignored them and they have suffered as a result.

You don't have to spend mega money. With the carrot of cl you can get these players over other clubs. Think Shay Given, Laursen, Palacious and so on.

[TURKISH]

Well the board of Arsenal say different. They say they have never refused to buy a player he wanted and that there is 50 million in the coffers for transfers, but he never spends it. They are in debt with the stadium, but very stable financially and can still spend based on earnings coming in and future earnings or some shit. Basically there is no worries about spending, he just doesn't want to do it.

Plus its not just money I am referring to. Some players in the last few years were available at a reasonable price, top players that he probably could've gotten in needed positions, but he ignored them and they have suffered as a result.

You don't have to spend mega money. With the carrot of cl you can get these players over other clubs. Think Shay Given, Laursen, Palacious and so on.

I believe there must be a better reason to why he hasn't spent, he doesn't have to spend big but he hardly ever buys a player these days.

[choda]

I believe there must be a better reason to why he hasn't spent, he doesn't have to spend big but he hardly ever buys a player these days.

Well what else can it be? The money is there and as you say you don't even have to spend big often to get a very good player you need.

[TURKISH]

he was very good this season before his injury.

Put it this way. 3 years ago lennon was seen as a better prospect then had an absolute crash in form wheras wenger has slowly but surely improved walnuts overall game.

We are crap at deveoping/coaching talent as daws/lennon/hudd will testify to.

IMO Lennon still is the better prospect and has played more consistently then walcott. Walcott still doesn't know how to slow the game down for me and if he would of went to a Villa I believe he would of improved more. How he gets into the England team I don't know personally.

[gomessi]

I believe there must be a better reason to why he hasn't spent, he doesn't have to spend big but he hardly ever buys a player these days.

its his philosophy mate.

He even said himself if hew had £30m to spend on a player he'd rather find a player and try and make them into a £30m player.

He likes developing youungsters and building a team of young players.

[TURKISH]

Well what else can it be? The money is there and as you say you don't even have to spend big often to get a very good player you need.

Debt? Fear of spending money and then not qf for the champions league? I don't know but he just doesn't buy players at 7m anymore, surley he wants to spend money?

[earl warwick]

That's untrue, the squad is miles better than when they took over, if a bit imbalanced but that was management decisions. We now have a better manager than ten years ago too.

Even with the current squad Harry would have us in seventh place if it was since he took over and challenging for the cl. That's not including two big players that have just come in, Keane and Palacious, in two very needed areas.

Plus Levy has poured money into club. It is undeniable. Sugar was just a very strong controller of finances. Levy has done that while expanding income and providing enormous transfer funds. You are indeed a pessismist. :001_smile:

It is deniable. Simple accounting and mathematics will tell you that. Daniel has expanded income and resources, there is no denying that. The sources are just not from ENIC.

I have contacts in AEK, and knowledge of Rangers and Prague, all clubs partly owned by ENIC. None of those clubs achieved anything under ENIC, AEK are still relieved to be free of any ENIC influence. Under ENIC, it is unlikely Spurs will achieve much. Indeed, Spurs are much derided for spending money and achieving little, although it is little understood that the money is derived largely from player trading, and agressive tactics by Daniel.

It will be considered a major achievement if Spurs do not sack their current manager by the end of October.

[Spur]

Gooner been stabbed in Rome apparently.

[choda]

Debt? Fear of spending money and then not qf for the champions league? I don't know but he just doesn't buy players at 7m anymore, surley he wants to spend money?

Well if you don't qualify you might have to sell, but that's no excuse to not buy, is it?

He just seems to have this philosophy of developing a team from the ground up and is so stubborn even when it doesn't work. He's so stubborn in numerous ways, you can see it in him.

[gomessi]

Gooner been stabbed in Rome apparently.

hope he is OK even if he is a thug

[gomessi]

It is deniable. Simple accounting and mathematics will tell you that. Daniel has expanded income and resources, there is no denying that. The sources are just not from ENIC.

I have contacts in AEK, and knowledge of Rangers and Prague, all clubs partly owned by ENIC. None of those clubs achieved anything under ENIC, AEK are still relieved to be free of any ENIC influence. Under ENIC, it is unlikely Spurs will achieve much. Indeed, Spurs are much derided for spending money and achieving little, although it is little understood that the money is derived largely from player trading, and agressive tactics by Daniel.

It will be considered a major achievement if Spurs do not sack their current manager by the end of October.

I've already said this before. Its a joke the way we have operated in the transfer window.

I just hope DL has learnt his lesson.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I didn't even say anything about Wenger or Arsenal :confused1: I just asked where they finished. And to be honest, they don't actually build teams, or they wouldn't have sold Hleb and Flamini. Fabregas will follow Hleb to Barca if Arsenal don't get CL as well.

What many have not yet comprehended about Arsenal is that they have an all encompassing football philosophy, from the board (who listen to and heed Wenger), to Wenger, to the first year intake of trainees. They all play the same way, at the same pace and the same patterns, that way Wenger doesn't have a first team squad of say 25, he has (within reason) every player at the club ready do draft in to the first team as they would require minimal time to "settle in" due to their familiarity with the overall system.

That my friends is why the Scum have been and will be able to have continuity in success.

As for the money "over there", Wenger does like to nurture talent but is also very shrewd. They are utterly reliant on CL income until they've paid off the stadium, it's built into their budget. So as an insurance policy Wenger would rather not spend big money on players and risk cash generating sales of his leading players if they don't qaulify for the CL.

[gomessi]

What many have not yet comprehended about Arsenal is that they have an all encompassing football philosophy, from the board (who listen to and heed Wenger), to Wenger, to the first year intake of trainees. They all play the same way, at the same pace and the same patterns, that way Wenger doesn't have a first team squad of say 25, he has (within reason) every player at the club ready do draft in to the first team as they would require minimal time to "settle in" due to their familiarity with the overall system.

That my friends is why the Scum have been and will be able to have continuity in success.

As for the money "over there", Wenger does like to nurture talent but is also very shrewd. They are utterly reliant on CL income until they've paid off the stadium, it's built into their budget. So as an insurance policy Wenger would rather not spend big money on players and risk cash generating sales of his leading players if they don't qaulify for the CL.

completly true.

the arsenal football philosophy means losing a player or 2 wont kill them like it could with us.

[Spur]

completly true.

the arsenal football philosophy means losing a player or 2 wont kill them like it could with us.

You mean "did with us".

[gomessi]

You mean "did with us".

yes but it will also happen in the future.

when rafa wants lennon and mod is wanted by the top teams in europe they'll be sold:sad: :cursing: :angry: :thumbdown:

we need to tell teeams to **** off and tell try to be more powerful. At the moment all the power is with the players:thumbdown:

[hastingsyid]

lucky wa/nkers

[TURKISH]

What many have not yet comprehended about Arsenal is that they have an all encompassing football philosophy, from the board (who listen to and heed Wenger), to Wenger, to the first year intake of trainees. They all play the same way, at the same pace and the same patterns, that way Wenger doesn't have a first team squad of say 25, he has (within reason) every player at the club ready do draft in to the first team as they would require minimal time to "settle in" due to their familiarity with the overall system.

That my friends is why the Scum have been and will be able to have continuity in success.

As for the money "over there", Wenger does like to nurture talent but is also very shrewd. They are utterly reliant on CL income until they've paid off the stadium, it's built into their budget. So as an insurance policy Wenger would rather not spend big money on players and risk cash generating sales of his leading players if they don't qaulify for the CL.

I thought as much, cheers MM good post.

[berbzy 'G']

Roma fans must get beyond f*cked off with the amount of English clubs that beat them all the time...

Give it 2 seasons... Then i will garentee we will be knocking them out of the Champions league semi final

[gomessi]

Roma fans must get beyond f*cked off with the amount of English clubs that beat them all the time...

Give it 2 seasons... Then i will garentee we will be knocking them out of the Champions league semi final

i did beat roma on pro evo. Will never happen in real life though:sad:

[berbzy 'G']

i did beat roma on pro evo. Will never happen in real life though:sad:

give it a couple of years m8... I got a gut feeling we will be champions league regulars from then on

[gomessi]

give it a couple of years m8... I got a gut feeling we will be champions league regulars from then on

more chance of me ****ing kiera knightly. Never going to happen berbz.

Are you drinking again?

[berbzy 'G']

more chance of me ****ing kiera knightly. Never going to happen berbz.

Are you drinking again?

If Aston Villa can qualify for the Champions League from out of the blue? Why can't we next season?

[hastingsyid]

i did beat roma on pro evo. Will never happen in real life though:sad:

i know what you mean pal,other night while asleep i was shagging jessica alba:001_rolleyes:

[Rojoknapp]

If Aston Villa can qualify for the Champions League from out of the blue? Why can't we next season?

Villa haven't qualified yet, there's 11 games to go still :sad: I very much doubt that they will qualify.

[Mattyboii]

i did beat roma on pro evo. Will never happen in real life though:sad:

did we not beat them not long ago 4-1 or somethin similar

[Rojoknapp]

i did beat roma on pro evo. Will never happen in real life though:sad:

We beat them 5-0 in August :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look who's doing what you would call "a Peter" :laugh:

[berbzy 'G']

We beat them 5-0 in August :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look who's doing what you would call "a Peter" :laugh:

I was there :001_smile:

I don't see why we can't beat Roma within 2 seasons though in a champions league match... Only if we get a LW (Marin), ST (Pantelic) and LB (Taiwo)... Then bring on a comfortable top 4 finish...

[gomessi]

We beat them 5-0 in August :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look who's doing what you would call "a Peter" :laugh:

yeah but we are world beaters in pre season we'd piss all over barca messi would [probablybe in zoks pocket bently would fly past defenders leaving iniesta in awe etc. :001_rolleyes:

When the real stuff starts shawky pisses all over JJ and Zok looks like a clown, bentley cant cross after scoring from 40 yards.

[choda]

give it a couple of years m8... I got a gut feeling we will be champions league regulars from then on

Regular challengers I would hope but regulars would be difficult there are many big clubs with top managers vying for the same position and city will spend big to be challenging for it every year as well.

Still anything is possible, you never know, we are not a small club.

[berbzy 'G']

yeah but we are world beaters in pre season we'd piss all over barca messi would [probablybe in zoks pocket bently would fly past defenders leaving iniesta in awe etc. :001_rolleyes:

When the real stuff starts shawky pisses all over JJ and Zok looks like a clown, bentley cant cross after scoring from 40 yards.

so true :lol: :lol: :lol:

[berbzy 'G']

Regular challengers I would hope but regulars would be difficult there are many big clubs with top managers vying for the same position and city will spend big to be challenging for it every year as well.

Still anything is possible, you never know, we are not a small club.

City will spend big. But it won't necessarilly mean they will be able to persuade the top players to the club due to their history and current club level.

They wrapped up Robinho for a British record transfer fee because he wanted out of Madrid due to personnel reasons. What you have to keep in mind is that there are some World Class players out there that are commited to clubs, play for the shirt and have a strong desire for Champions League football, Kaka, Totti and Gerrard are great examples. On the other hand, You get players that are greedy and move to any club just so they can have a few extra naughts at the end of their wages.

Robinho for example has completely spoiled is career by joining City due to greed, He is starting to do a Berbatov by trying to become bigger than the club, But the only difference is that the City board would not dare upset Robinho because they would be beyond devastated if he left. Where as when our best player Berbatov went on to become a greedy demanding prick, we just f*cked him off to Man Utd, we wernt scared of losing him? This is evidence of us having an advanced dealing and communication with our own players.

Now Man City can spend all they like, But the management will not be able to control top players at their club because the board will be too frightened of the players leaving. So when a top player thinks he has the upper advantage of the club, things will drop like a sack of shit on & off the pitch.

[choda]

City will spend big. But it won't necessarilly mean they will be able to persuade the top players to the club due to their history and current club level.

They wrapped up Robinho for a British record transfer fee because he wanted out of Madrid due to personnel reasons. What you have to keep in mind is that there are some World Class players out there that are commited to clubs, play for the shirt and have a strong desire for Champions League football, Kaka, Totti and Gerrard are great examples. On the other hand, You get players that are greedy and move to any club just so they can have a few extra naughts at the end of their wages.

Robinho for example has completely spoiled is career by joining City due to greed, He is starting to do a Berbatov by trying to become bigger than the club, But the only difference is that the City board would not dare upset Robinho because they would be beyond devastated if he left. Where as when our best player Berbatov went on to become a greedy demanding prick, we just f*cked him off to Man Utd, we wernt scared of losing him? This is evidence of us having an advanced dealing and communication with our own players.

Now Man City can spend all they like, But the management will not be able to control top players at their club because the board will be too frightened of the players leaving. So when a top player thinks he has the upper advantage of the club, things will drop like a sack of shit on & off the pitch.

They've all the money in the world mate, they will build a team to challenge and become more attractive and continue to build. They will be challenging for cl mate, trust me, and if they do get it one year, it will mean they will then get who they want and spend mega. If they qualify it will make it harder.

And I don't think Robinho's career is down the toilet in all fairness. He has shown he can cut it in the premier league in a team on the up.

[berbzy 'G']

They've all the money in the world mate, they will build a team to challenge and become more attractive and continue to build. They will be challenging for cl mate, trust me, and if they do get it one year, it will mean they will then get who they want and spend mega. If they qualify it will make it harder.

And I don't think Robinho's career is down the toilet in all fairness. He has shown he can cut it in the premier league in a team on the up.

I can see it from your point of view for financial reasons. But I personnley can't see City being as successful as other clubs, other supporters and the media make out.

Can't see them investing their money wisely atall. Even if they do get the players they want, The players will be ridiculously over priced and will not be playing to their full expectation due to their price tag and cockyness.

[choda]

I can see it from your point of view for financial reasons. But I personnley can't see City being as successful as other clubs, other supporters and the media make out.

Can't see them investing their money wisely atall. Even if they do get the players they want, The players will be ridiculously over priced and will not be playing to their full expectation due to their price tag and cockyness.

Well Chelsea won the league doing that. The only thing is they were in the cl so they could get the players straight away. City have to build a better side and become a more attractive proposition first.

[berbzy 'G']

Well Chelsea won the league doing that. The only thing is they were in the cl so they could get the players straight away. City have to build a better side and become a more attractive proposition first.

Exactly...

[choda]

Exactly...

That's my point, they will spend to do that. :blink:

[MiloMinderbinder]

I was there :001_smile:

I don't see why we can't beat Roma within 2 seasons though in a champions league match... Only if we get a LW (Marin), ST (Pantelic) and LB (Taiwo)... Then bring on a comfortable top 4 finish...

Shut the **** up about Patelic, he's shit. If he was any good he wouldn't have spent years playing in Germany. As for Marin, players on Football Manager are not carbon copies of reality.

[berbzy 'G']

That's my point, they will spend to do that. :blink:

Oh... I thought you meant they have to build first in order to become a more attracting team before they are able to get every player they want :cursing:

[berbzy 'G']

Shut the **** up about Patelic, he's shit. If he was any good he wouldn't have spent years playing in Germany. As for Marin, players on Football Manager are not carbon copies of reality.

Pantelic would be excellent partnering Keane... I know Marin is quality due to watching the Bundesliga hightlights... s

stroppy bollox :001_tt2:

[MiloMinderbinder]

Pantelic would be excellent partnering Keane... I know Marin is quality due to watching the Bundesliga hightlights... s

stroppy bollox :001_tt2:

No, no he wouldn't

Bundesliga, is shit, hence players that are half decent look world beaters. Other than Berbatov name one player that's come from Germany in the last five years and had an impact on a major league.

[TURKISH]

Pantelic would be excellent partnering Keane... I know Marin is quality due to watching the Bundesliga hightlights... s

stroppy bollox :001_tt2:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[berbzy 'G']

No, no he wouldn't

Bundesliga, is shit, hence players that are half decent look world beaters. Other than Berbatov name one player that's come from Germany in the last five years and had an impact on a major league.

erm.................

[Spur]

No, no he wouldn't

Bundesliga, is shit, hence players that are half decent look world beaters. Other than Berbatov name one player that's come from Germany in the last five years and had an impact on a major league.

Kevin Prince-Boateng.

Oh shit I see what you mean.

Erm, Paul Stalteri? No. Ok. I give up.

[mjbmedia]

Kevin Prince-Boateng.

Oh shit I see what you mean.

Erm, Paul Stalteri? No. Ok. I give up.
Hargreaves and Ballack

[Spur]

Hargreaves and Ballack

Ballack's been pony.

[choda]

Ballack's been pony.

No really true mate, he was terrific last season, not been great this year but who has for them this year apart from Lampard (who takes nearly all the set pieces, which is most of his contribution).

Ballack was a world class footballer for sure. Getting on a bit now.

I think Milo is being very harsh on the german league. Remember some of the Bayern teams, they had some really top players?

Effenburg, Klinsmann, Elber, Ribery, Matthius, Kahn and so on.

[TURKISH]

No really true mate, he was terrific last season, not been great this year but who has for them this year apart from Lampard (who takes nearly all the set pieces, which is most of his contribution).

Ballack was a world class footballer for sure. Getting on a bit now.

I think Milo is being very harsh on the german league. Remember some of the Bayern teams, they had some really top players?

Effenburg, Klinsmann, Elber, Ribery, Matthius, Kahn and so on.

Ballack only came into form at te end of last year when Lampard was injured and then they both played well.

But thats it considering what this guy does for Germany and his previous clubs. He shouldn't of went to chelsea for the money, the reason why he doesn't play well for Chelsea is the reason why Gerrard doesn't play well for England.............Lampard.

[choda]

Ballack only came into form at te end of last year when Lampard was injured and then they both played well.

But thats it considering what this guy does for Germany and his previous clubs. He shouldn't of went to chelsea for the money, the reason why he doesn't play well for Chelsea is the reason why Gerrard doesn't play well for England.............Lampard.

He only PLAYED the end of the season mate, last 20 games or so, was injured for the rest of it.

I totally agree with the rest of it. In the WC 2002 he was sublime, two footed, football brain, pure class, a level Lampard simply couldn't hit in a million years as he just hasn't got the ability.

Fair play to Lampard he made the most of his talent and became a set piece dominatrix and is pretty overated as a result, but a very fine player none the less in his own way.

The trouble with him is imo you have to accomodate him, he tends to run ahead of the ball more than most of that position and get his fat ass in the way and it can cause problems for other players who also like to get forward.

As it goes I think you have to accomodate Gerrard, so the two of those together is a complete disaster really. Gerrard is really only great as a match winner and the dramatic.

He's class but also quite limited in general play and runs ahead of the ball a lot which I hate in a cm. Think it's criminal to do it often and at the wrong times. Leads to frenzied, scrappy play instead of measured play and bursting into life ala Xavi, Maradona, Le Tiss etc.

This is why I think they have had so many problems for England, and not just playing them together, which shouldn't even be considered imo.

I think Gerrard is best in a free role type position.

[TURKISH]

He only PLAYED the end of the season mate, last 20 games or so, was injured for the rest of it.

I totally agree with the rest of it. In the WC 2002 he was sublime, two footed, football brain, pure class, a level Lampard simply couldn't hit in a million years as he just hasn't got the ability.

Fair play to Lampard he made the most of his talent and became a set piece dominatrix and is pretty overated as a result, but a very fine player none the less in his own way.

The trouble with him is imo you have to accomodate him, he tends to run ahead of the ball more than most of that position and get his fat ass in the way and it can cause problems for other players who also like to get forward.

Exactly if someone says he played brilliant last year people will assume he played the whole intire season. Also he was never at the level he should be at, he done well considering his form before hand but the lad has been a let down.

As much as I hate Lampard you can't fault him he is a top player, but never world class in a million years. He plays better for england than Gerrard does IMO but a very selfish player who lacks a real football brain, how hard is it to play in cm with gerrard? One goes one stays, or one plays left side and one plays right side and when play is on the other persons side then you cover the space behind. Its not rocket science.:001_rolleyes:

[choda]

Exactly if someone says he played brilliant last year people will assume he played the whole intire season. Also he was never at the level he should be at, he done well considering his form before hand but the lad has been a let down.

As much as I hate Lampard you can't fault him he is a top player, but never world class in a million years. He plays better for england than Gerrard does IMO but a very selfish player who lacks a real football brain, how hard is it to play in cm with gerrard? One goes one stays, or one plays left side and one plays right side and when play is on the other persons side then you cover the space behind. Its not rocket science.:001_rolleyes:

I think it's harder than you say, if you read my edit below where I added on my opinion on Gerrard.

[choda]

Exactly if someone says he played brilliant last year people will assume he played the whole intire season. Also he was never at the level he should be at, he done well considering his form before hand but the lad has been a let down.

As much as I hate Lampard you can't fault him he is a top player, but never world class in a million years. He plays better for england than Gerrard does IMO but a very selfish player who lacks a real football brain, how hard is it to play in cm with gerrard? One goes one stays, or one plays left side and one plays right side and when play is on the other persons side then you cover the space behind. Its not rocket science.:001_rolleyes:

Well I don't know why you'd take it that way. He was terrific last year even if only played one half of it, he was excellent when he played. Thirty games or so is still a good stint.

But when you said he only came good at the end I think it sounds like he didn't play well for the rest of the year when a guy only played the end of the year as he was injured before that.

Anyway, bygones.

[TURKISH]

Well I don't know why you'd take it that way. He was terrific last year even if only played one half of it, he was excellent when he played. Thirty games or so is still a good stint.

But when you said he only came good at the end I think it sounds like he didn't play well for the rest of the year when a guy only played the end of the year as he was injured before that.

Anyway, bygones.

I forgot he was injured and he wasn't consistently great, he had a good stint but was no where near the level that his name comes to expect.

[choda]

I forgot he was injured and he wasn't consistently great, he had a good stint but was no where near the level that his name comes to expect.

Fair enough.

And last year you mean for not consistently great? I thought he was, but if you read my earlier post I agree he's not been near his name in his Chelsea career overall. Perhaps was just past his best when he joined and Lampard gets in the way of his preferred role.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Hargreaves and Ballack

Hargreaves potentially but not yet, that is if Fergie gives him his cruciate ligaments back.

Ballack? You mean the guy that utterly dominated the Bundesleiga for Leverkuesen and Munich? The German captain? Big bloke, good in the air, nice range of passing? Who does he play for? Remind me, cos I haven't even noticed him for a good two seasons.

German league is shite, Dutch league is shit, French league is shit but a good training ground, even Serie A is looking decidedly iffy. Part of the reason clubs have been snapping up "top" young talent is that they don't trust them to develop properly in their own leagues. The Da Silva twins at Man U are a case in point, they bought them before they could pick up bad habits in their native land.

[berbzy 'G']

Hargreaves potentially but not yet, that is if Fergie gives him his cruciate ligaments back.

Ballack? You mean the guy that utterly dominated the Bundesleiga for Leverkuesen and Munich? The German captain? Big bloke, good in the air, nice range of passing? Who does he play for? Remind me, cos I haven't even noticed him for a good two seasons.

German league is shite, Dutch league is shit, French league is shit but a good training ground, even Serie A is looking decidedly iffy. Part of the reason clubs have been snapping up "top" young talent is that they don't trust them to develop properly in their own leagues. The Da Silva twins at Man U are a case in point, they bought them before they could pick up bad habits in their native land.

I don't think the German League is shite :001_rolleyes:

[MiloMinderbinder]

I don't think the German League is shite :001_rolleyes:

Christ you even managed to get that wrong, should have been;

"I don't think. The German league is shit."

:001_smile:

[gomessi]

Christ you even managed to get that wrong, should have been;

"I don't think. The German league is shit."

:001_smile:

lol you're being horrible now:001_smile: