Sponser suggestions for new stadium

[Shuggie13]

Pataks Curry Sauces Stadium - Guaranteed to Fu*k up the Arse

KY Jelly Stadium - Come from behind and Fu*k up the Arse

El Al and Israeli Tourist Board Stadium - Proud Sponsors of the Yid Army

Foxs Biscuits Stadium - Tottenham Hotspur to Ruel the World (that one is for Marlow)

A to Z Stadium - We know where Woolich is and it isn't North London

Monster Job Search Stadium - Always finding the right Managers job for you

Steve Austin Stadium - Ledley King, we can rebuild him (thats a 6 Million Dollar Man reference for you kids out there)

Apple Stadium - Looks great, very expensive, doesn't crash like Windows XP Arsenal home edition

Bentley Motors Stadium - Pure class over any distance


Any other suggestions?

[wayne wonder]

Durex Extra Ribbed Stadium - Always guarantee pleasure!!!

[Shuggie13]

Durex Extra Ribbed Stadium - Always guarantee pleasure!!!

ROFL, simple yet so effective.

How about for Gomes.....

Durex Stadium - Always safe to come out!

[Ginola's Son]

The Ginola Stadium

Simple. Effective. Legendary.

[peterc]

Nothing beats SiR BILL NICHOLSON STADIUM.:thumbup: :thumbup:

A legend is more important than a sponsor, but knowing Levy, money comes first.

[Shuggie13]

The Ginola Stadium

Simple. Effective. Legendary.

David Ginola L'Oreal Stadium - Because were worth it!

[Welsh Spur]

I hope the word stadium isn't in the name.

I like the fact our home is WHL, its original. None of this sponsor bullshit, it's like being americanised.

[Gino Ginelli]

Uncle Ben's; Always making a meal of it!

[Shuggie13]

I hope the word stadium isn't in the name.

I like the fact our home is WHL, its original. None of this sponsor bullshit, it's like being americanised.

I'd like it to stay as WHL too.

[Shuggie13]

Uncle Ben's; Always making a meal of it!

ROFL. The most appropiate one so far.

Along the same sort of lines.

Imodium Stadium - So you wont sh*t yourself every time we play.

Rennie Stadium - Prevents heartburn.

[JuicE]

Nothing beats SiR BILL NICHOLSON STADIUM.:thumbup: :thumbup:

A legend is more important than a sponsor, but knowing Levy, money comes first.

Stop blaming Levy you pratt! Sponsorship is part of commercial life so to get a 60,000 stadium you have to have investors. Get fukking real Dickhead!

BTW how much do you spend on Spurs? :001_rolleyes:

[jrio]

Nothing beats SiR BILL NICHOLSON STADIUM.:thumbup: :thumbup:

A legend is more important than a sponsor, but knowing Levy, money comes first.
The problem is, with costs likely to be in the region of 400-500m, all revenue streams have to be maximised to make the stadium affordable. Arsenal got 100m for their shirt and stadium sponsorship deal, recouping about a quarter of the cost of building the stadium. I don't think there's any ground of a major club named after a previous manager. The best you could expect is a stand, which I think would be appropriate for the equivalent of the Paxton Road end.

[JuicE]

The problem is, with costs likely to be in the region of 400-500m, all revenue streams have to be maximised to make the stadium affordable. Arsenal got 100m for their shirt and stadium sponsorship deal, recouping about a quarter of the cost of building the stadium. I don't think there's any ground of a major club named after a previous manager. The best you could expect is a stand, which I think would be appropriate for the equivalent of the Paxton Road end.

Ahhh! well you put that ever so slightly more diplomatic than i did! :001_tongue:

[berbzy 'G']

It just has to be called the yid army stadium

[jrio]

I'd like it to stay as WHL too.
For me the only real negative is that we'll lose the announcer saying at the start "Welcome to White Hart Lane, world famous home of the Spurs!" It always gives me a thrill to hear that just after the teams have ran out.

[jrio]

Ahhh! well you put that ever so slightly more diplomatic than i did! :001_tongue:
Yes, I noticed. Have you been bitten by one of those deadly animals that infest your shores, and wanted to bite back?

[wayne wonder]

Will we start shouting players surnames at the start of the game when the announcer says their 1st name and also when they score.

Im sure the gooners do it :thumbdown:

[JuicE]

Yes, I noticed. Have you been bitten by one of those deadly animals that infest your shores, and wanted to bite back?

We do brew a mean RED over here YES!!!!! :blushing:

[peterc]

The problem is, with costs likely to be in the region of 400-500m, all revenue streams have to be maximised to make the stadium affordable. Arsenal got 100m for their shirt and stadium sponsorship deal, recouping about a quarter of the cost of building the stadium. I don't think there's any ground of a major club named after a previous manager. The best you could expect is a stand, which I think would be appropriate for the equivalent of the Paxton Road end.

Fair comment, by doing so is also selling the identity of the club, like the scum sold theirs to the Emirates.

[TURKISH]

Nicholson lane. This way we can still sing we are tottenham from the lane.


But it won't happen we will probly be named after a ****ing arab company!:crying:

[jrio]

Fair comment, by doing so is also selling the identity of the club, like the scum sold theirs to the Emirates.

But is that any more than having a sponsor's name on the shirt,with all the associated crap that entails? As I said before, we don't actually play at White Hart Lane, and moving to the adjacent site actually puts us nearer to it, so we can call it what we want. All it means tangibly is that when it's referred to on TV it will be called the "official" name, plus we'll lose the pre-match reference to it. One way round it would be if the stadium was called "The Lane" and then the naming rights would result in something like "The Acme Corporation at The Lane". However, judging by previous examples of naming rights, that is very unlikely.

[mjbmedia]

well if we keep the same sponsors we can just call it

Tottenham Mansion

[peterc]

But is that any more than having a sponsor's name on the shirt,with all the associated crap that entails? As I said before, we don't actually play at White Hart Lane, and moving to the adjacent site actually puts us nearer to it, so we can call it what we want. All it means tangibly is that when it's referred to on TV it will be called the "official" name, plus we'll lose the pre-match reference to it. One way round it would be if the stadium was called "The Lane" and then the naming rights would result in something like "The Acme Corporation at The Lane". However, judging by previous examples of naming rights, that is very unlikely.

Sponsor for a shirt is there for two to three years and kits keep changing every season, whilst a stadium is there forever

[gomessi]

Nicholson lane. This way we can still sing we are tottenham from the lane.


But it won't happen we will probly be named after a ****ing arab company!:crying:

Turkish why would you have a problem if they were from the middle east. :thumbdown: You seem to have an irrational hatred of arabs. The emirates are giving arsenal £100m. If we got a sponser anywhere near that figure levy would accept it asap, arabs or no arabs.

Money talks and levy will get the biggest sponser, it could be from the middle east.

I think everyone would love it to be whl but it wont happen.

[TURKISH]

Turkish why would you have a problem if they were from the middle east. :thumbdown: You seem to have an irrational hatred of arabs. The emirates are giving arsenal £100m. If we got a sponser anywhere near that figure levy would accept it asap, arabs or no arabs.

Money talks and levy will get the biggest sponser, it could be from the middle east.

I think everyone would love it to be whl but it wont happen.

Because i racially hate the arabs for there skin colour.

[jrio]

Sponsor for a shirt is there for two to three years and kits keep changing every season, whilst a stadium is there forever

The name on the stadium isn't. Arsenal's deal is for 15 years. I would expect any deal at Spurs to be for between 10-20 years. One interesting aspect is that I don't know of any stadium that has been "re-named". For example, after 15 years surely "The Emirates" will be so deeply ingrained that there is little residual value for a company to take over the naming rights, and for it to then be known as "The Sony Centre Stadium"? Thus, after 15 years, the official name at Spurs can easily revert back to White Hart Lane.

[gomessi]

Because i racially hate the arabs for there skin colour.

turkish i cant honestly tell if that wa meant to be sarcastic or not.

[gomessi]

Because i racially hate the arabs for there skin colour.

turkish i cant honestly tell if that was meant to be sarcastic or not.

[jrio]

Because i racially hate the arabs for there skin colour.
Some of the satire may have been lost in that comment. You might take some care to amend it.

[TURKISH]

The name on the stadium isn't. Arsenal's deal is for 15 years. I would expect any deal at Spurs to be for between 10-20 years. One interesting aspect is that I don't know of any stadium that has been "re-named". For example, after 15 years surely "The Emirates" will be so deeply ingrained that there is little residual value for a company to take over the naming rights, and for it to then be known as "The Sony Centre Stadium"? Thus, after 15 years, the official name at Spurs can easily revert back to White Hart Lane.

Good thinking i believe we have to sell the naming rights because 100 million ect should not be frowned upon. As long as the name isn't stupid and the price is right than we should do it. We can as you say change the name in 15 years or so time.

Its the way it is i suspect everyone will have to do that unless your mega rich or like city the council has helped financed the stadium.

[jrio]

turkish i cant honestly tell if that was meant to be sarcastic or not.

It was. T isn't a racist, which is why he added in the skin colour comment to make it clearer.

[peterc]

The name on the stadium isn't. Arsenal's deal is for 15 years. I would expect any deal at Spurs to be for between 10-20 years. One interesting aspect is that I don't know of any stadium that has been "re-named". For example, after 15 years surely "The Emirates" will be so deeply ingrained that there is little residual value for a company to take over the naming rights, and for it to then be known as "The Sony Centre Stadium"? Thus, after 15 years, the official name at Spurs can easily revert back to White Hart Lane.

Would that give the Emirates first preference whether to renew their sponsor or not?

[TURKISH]

turkish i cant honestly tell if that was meant to be sarcastic or not.

Fvck off course im being sarcastic. Do you honestly believe i would hate someone for there skin colour?

[gomessi]

Fvck off course im being sarcastic. Do you honestly believe i would hate someone for there skin colour?


I got the wrong end of the stick when you said "****ing arabs".

Sorry for the misinterpretation

[jrio]

Would that give the Emirates first preference whether to renew their sponsor or not?
Not as part of the initial deal, but I guess they would look more favourably on a continuation of a stable and profitable relationship. But money talks. Owners or CEOs of football clubs don't turn down substantial amounts of money for selling things like shirt space and stadium names as they don't have any great degree of integrity or sense of tradition.

[TURKISH]

I got the wrong end of the stick when you said "****ing arabs".

Sorry for the misinterpretation

My point is there companys have funny names would you want our stadium called Dallah Al-Baraka? The abuse we will get is unreal.

[jrio]

My point is there companys have funny names would you want our stadium called Dallah Al-Baraka? The abuse we will get is unreal.
Think up a Arabic real name and I'll consider it, because I sense there is some antagonism due to the renowned Jewish background to Spurs. I mean, Emirates. How funny is that? :001_rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

I got the wrong end of the stick when you said "****ing arabs".

Sorry for the misinterpretation

I never said ****ing arabs. Lets get it straight i said "probly be named after a fvcking arab company!"

[gomessi]

My point is there companys have funny names would you want our stadium called Dallah Al-Baraka? The abuse we will get is unreal.

I have already said I want it to stay at whl and obviously I dont want a name that rival fans can take the piss out of. But the name of the sponsor could conceiably almost anything unfortunatly. :thumbdown:

o you think levy gives a **** how funny the name of the company sounds? Levy will just get the highest sponsor.

[gomessi]

I never said ****ing arabs. Lets get it straight i said "probly be named after a fvcking arab company!"

Again I apologise I think I just read it very quickly.

[jrio]

I never said ****ing arabs. Lets get it straight i said "probly be named after a fvcking arab company!"

But it amounts to the same thing, which is "fvcking Arab".

[berbzy 'G']

Ahhh Georgie Thompson back on SSN. I havent seen the bitch on there for ages :001_wub: :001_wub:

Yid Army stadium would be perfect !

[TURKISH]

But it amounts to the same thing, which is "fvcking Arab".

Fvcking arab company, not arab, not ethnicity and not anything to suggest racial sluring.

When i think of spurs selling there stadium naming rights to a arab company im thinking about the names of there companys, not there skin colour.

[gomessi]

But it amounts to the same thing, which is "fvcking Arab".

I think we should move on from this.

I just got the impression that turkish had an irrational hatred towards arabs.

I would never say "fvcking English" as it might cause offence.

Again turkish I am not accusing you of being racist. I really regret bringing this up.

[gomessi]

Fvcking arab company, not arab, not ethnicity and not anything to suggest racial sluring.

When i think of spurs selling there stadium naming rights to a arab company im thinking about the names of there companys, not there skin colour.

But a German, Chinese or Nigerian company could have a name that is just as weird to us.

[TURKISH]

I think we should move on from this.

I just got the impression that turkish had an irrational hatred towards arabs.

I would never say "fvcking English" as it might cause offence.

Again turkish I am not accusing you of being racist. I really regret bringing this up.

I never said fvcking arabs.

[jrio]

Fvcking arab company, not arab, not ethnicity and not anything to suggest racial sluring.

When i think of spurs selling there stadium naming rights to a arab company im thinking about the names of there companys, not there skin colour.
Surely you can see how easily it can be misunderstood? "Fvcking Arabic sounding company" would have suited your purposes. To an outsider it would appear to be a racist statement, just as anyone on another forum saying they didn't want a "fvcking Jewish company" sponsoring them.

[TURKISH]

But a German, Chinese or Nigerian company could have a name that is just as weird to us.

To me arab company names are more different to chinese, nigerian ect.

I just don't understand why people are jumping on my nuts and making out its racist and trying to make out i said fvcking arabs.

[berbzy 'G']

To me arab company names are more different to chinese, nigerian ect.

I just don't understand why people are jumping on my nuts and making out its racist and trying to make out i said fvcking arabs.

Its f*cking stupid the way people like to make a big thing of racism.

[jrio]

I think we should move on from this.

I just got the impression that turkish had an irrational hatred towards arabs.

I would never say "fvcking English" as it might cause offence.

Again turkish I am not accusing you of being racist. I really regret bringing this up.
I would but then there are no real connations with saying that. I'm sure some of our Irish members would feel no compunction about it, bearing in mind the past rape of Ireland by England.

[TURKISH]

Surely you can see how easily it can be misunderstood? "Fvcking Arabic sounding company" would have suited your purposes. To an outsider it would appear to be a racist statement, just as anyone on another forum saying they didn't want a "fvcking Jewish company" sponsoring them.

My level of intelligience didn't consider people would take away the company and than just keep repeating fvcking arabs. The fact i said it so loosely was because i know for a fact im not racist and didn't mean it in a racist way.

[gomessi]

Surely you can see how easily it can be misunderstood? "Fvcking Arabic sounding company" would have suited your purposes. To an outsider it would appear to be a racist statement, just as anyone on another forum saying they didn't want a "fvcking Jewish company" sponsoring them.

jrio I misunderstood it and i have been living in london since I was born.

It does sound racist but I am not accusing TURKISH of being a racist. I was just suprised the way it was said.

[jrio]

To me arab company names are more different to chinese, nigerian ect.

I just don't understand why people are jumping on my nuts and making out its racist and trying to make out i said fvcking arabs.

Really? How about Spurs playing at the following names for their home ground:

The Ho Chi Minh Stadium.
The Li Wang Pu Stadium.
The N'Debele Stadium.

I've made most of these up but they're not far removed from actual ethnic names.

[jrio]

jrio I misunderstood it and i have been living in london since I was born.

It does sound racist but I am not accusing TURKISH of being a racist. I was just suprised the way it was said.

I did point out to him before your post querying his intent, that he might choose to amend it, because it could easily be misinterpreted.

[TURKISH]

Really? How about Spurs playing at the following names for their home ground:

The Ho Chi Minh Stadium.
The Li Wang Pu Stadium.
The N'Debele Stadium.

I've made most of these up but they're not far removed from actual ethnic names.

There all different names but to me at that moment i was thinking about all these arabs investers and the names or there companys.

[TURKISH]

I did point out to him before your post querying his intent, that he might choose to amend it, because it could easily be misinterpreted.

Look people can misinterpret if they so well wish. I have nothing to anwser the thing that pisses me off is people misquoting what i said.

Make of it what you will if people think im racist to how arabs look than why would my screen name be called turkish? People automatically believe im turkish and they haveb the same skin tone as each other.

[jrio]

There all different names but to me at that moment i was thinking about all these arabs investers and the names or there companys.
I can't see Arabic investment vehicles lining up to link their corporate identity to Spurs's new stadium. It doesn't seem at all likely, and bearing in mind the ethnic identity of our board makes it seem almost impossible, the one scenario in which Levy wouldn't take the highest offer.

[jrio]

Look people can misinterpret if they so well wish. I have nothing to anwser the thing that pisses me off is people misquoting what i said.

Make of it what you will if people think im racist to how arabs look than why would my screen name be called turkish? People automatically believe im turkish and they haveb the same skin tone as each other.

I thought you were addicted to Turkish Delight. :001_tt2:

[TURKISH]

I thought you were addicted to Turkish Delight. :001_tt2:

Errr can't stand the stuff. Don't mind a kebab though.:thumbup: :001_tt2: :001_tt2: :001_tt2: :thumbup:

[gomessi]

Look people can misinterpret if they so well wish. I have nothing to anwser the thing that pisses me off is people misquoting what i said.

Make of it what you will if people think im racist to how arabs look than why would my screen name be called turkish? People automatically believe im turkish and they haveb the same skin tone as each other.

sorry turkish but you have stereotyped before so this isnt the first time.

The last time you did I didn't bring it up.

[TURKISH]

sorry turkish but you have stereotyped before so this isnt the first time.

The last time you did I didn't bring it up.

What did i say than.

[gomessi]

What did i say than.


Most wars start because of religion and people misread theres bibles and think they have to do fly a plane in a building because its what god told them to do. Ive not heard of any crazed christians but religion does leave peoples worped.

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7100&page=9

1. There are christian terrorists

2. you seem to think only muslims misread the quran (their holy book) and decide to become a terrorist.

[jrio]

Most wars start because of religion and people misread theres bibles and think they have to do fly a plane in a building because its what god told them to do. Ive not heard of any crazed christians but religion does leave peoples worped.

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7100&page=9

1. There are christian terrorists

2. you seem to think only muslims misread the quran (their holy book) and decide to become a terrorist.

He's not really a deep thinker, T, is he? :001_tt2: :001_tt2:

[TURKISH]

Most wars start because of religion and people misread theres bibles and think they have to do fly a plane in a building because its what god told them to do. Ive not heard of any crazed christians but religion does leave peoples worped.

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7100&page=9

1. There are christian terrorists

2. you seem to think only muslims misread the quran (their holy book) and decide to become a terrorist.

Are there any crazed christians? Muslims put a plane in two towers, i think thats a fair statment on why i feel most problems start with religion. Ive not heard of christian terrorists, the only terrorist that ive heard is about al queida im not singling them out im just pointing to facts.

Not saying there isn't any crazed christinans but ive not heard of any.

I got your second point from a muslim bloke on a channel four documentary who said muslims read the quran and think that there god is telling them to act in a certain way.

I don't think what ive said is wrong maybe naive but who are you to tell me what im saying is racist or out of line. Your to sensitive.

[TURKISH]

He's not really a deep thinker, T, is he? :001_tt2: :001_tt2:

But what i said wasn't out of line. Maybe there is crazed christians but it doesn't stop the fact that there is crazed muslims.

[berbzy 'G']

Most wars start because of religion and people misread theres bibles and think they have to do fly a plane in a building because its what god told them to do. Ive not heard of any crazed christians but religion does leave peoples worped.

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7100&page=9

1. There are christian terrorists

2. you seem to think only muslims misread the quran (their holy book) and decide to become a terrorist.

This aint really none of my business. But is there seriosuly any point in keeping this up? Turkish's right, Other clubs are gonna take the piss if our stdium is called jalalabadda or woteva? Its just ridiculous the way some people have turned a conversation from stadium names to racism wars ?

[TURKISH]

I don't think only muslims misread there bibles, i never said that i was just making a point of what happened when someone misread there bible and get there brained warped by terrorist groups.

[jrio]

Are there any crazed christians? Muslims put a plane in two towers, i think thats a fair statment on why i feel most problems start with religion. Ive not heard of christian terrorists, the only terrorist that ive heard is about al queida im not singling them out im just pointing to facts.

Not saying there isn't any crazed christinans but ive not heard of any.

I got your second point from a muslim bloke on a channel four documentary who said muslims read the quran and think that there god is telling them to act in a certain way.

I don't think what ive said is wrong maybe naive but who are you to tell me what im saying is racist or out of line. Your to sensitive.

He's a member who thought your statement sounded xenophobic(which it did), and he's perfectly entitled to question you on it. Crazy Christians don't indulge in suicide bombing or suicidal killings, but there are plenty of them in America. The Omaha bombings in the 90s were perpetrated by right wing nuts inspired by a Christian fundamentalist orthodoxy. You are naive.

[TURKISH]

He's a member who thought your statement sounded xenophobic(which it did), and he's perfectly entitled to question you on it. Crazy Christians don't indulge in suicide bombing or suicidal killings, but there are plenty of them in America. The Omaha bombings in the 90s were perpetrated by right wing nuts inspired by a Christian fundamentalist orthodoxy. You are naive.

But my point about most religions start wars and using muslims as an example was not out of line. I never said they are the only ones i just asked the question is there any crazed christians.

I never said anything out of line and this is beginning to become a joke. He never questioned me on it he just let it go, which is up to him.

[TURKISH]

All i said is i don't think there are any crazed christians. Thats it somebody should of educated me in the thread to begin with insead of trying to make something out of nothing.

[jrio]

All i said is i don't think there are any crazed christians. Thats it somebody should of educated me in the thread to begin with insead of trying to make something out of nothing.

It isn't out of nothing. You perpetrated a stereotype, that of crazed Muslim terrorists as opposed to rational, cosy Christians. With the name you've chosen, one would expect you to be amongst the last on here to be so lazy and ignorant.

[gomessi]

Are there any crazed christians? Muslims put a plane in two towers, i think thats a fair statment on why i feel most problems start with religion. Ive not heard of christian terrorists, the only terrorist that ive heard is about al queida im not singling them out im just pointing to facts.

Not saying there isn't any crazed christinans but ive not heard of any.

I got your second point from a muslim bloke on a channel four documentary who said muslims read the quran and think that there god is telling them to act in a certain way.

I don't think what ive said is wrong maybe naive but who are you to tell me what im saying is racist or out of line. Your to sensitive.

Turkish I expected better.:thumbdown:

There are so many and you cant name one. I know your christian but there are christian terrorist group and I am suprised you dont they exist.

How about the Ku Klux Klan:scared:

No muslims did not put a plane into the twin towers. 15 muslims flew 2 planes into the twin towers. They dont represent the 1.3 billion muslims.

There is 1.3 billion muslims in the world so your talking about 1 in one hundred million muslims putting planes into the twin towers.

You stereotype to a ridiculous scale:

muslims = potentail terrorist
christians = not potentail terrorist

George bush is a terrorist and is a fundamentalist Christian. He makes constant references to God when he refers to America's "victory" in Iraq, as if God endorses his sordid killing spree. He makes no mention of the children, women, and old men killed by America's "precision-guided" missiles and bombs and trigger-happy U.S. troops. In fact, Bush revels in indiscriminate blood letting.

Notice I am not saying christains are terrorists but george w bush is a terrorist.

Turkish nowhere does it say you can kill innocent people in the quran. If you could show me where it does say that then I would agree with you. But because you wont find it anywhere you should just stop repeating incorrect information.

I am telling you that you have stereotyped people base on their religion or nationality. I am not saying you intentionally meant it so I am not accusing you of Racism.

I am just saying you are showing your ignorance of other religions (Islam and Christianity) as well as stereotyping the middle east.

[gomessi]

It isn't out of nothing. You perpetrated a stereotype, that of crazed Muslim terrorists as opposed to rational, cosy Christians. With the name you've chosen, one would expect you to be amongst the last on here to be so lazy and ignorant.

succinctly put jrio.

Radovan Karadzic is a terrorist and is Christian.

But I am not accusing Christians of being terrorists. and I am not saying the Bible says go and be a terrorist.

Karadzic organised the massacre of at least 7,500 Muslim men and youths in Srebrenica.
Targeted Bosnian Muslim and Croat political leaders, intellectuals and professionals.

Turkish you are showing your ignorance of terrorist atrocities commited by Christians.

That is disgusting, sickening if you have heard of these crimes against humanity but excuse it because it was done by a Christian.

I could name more crimes against humanity commited by Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc but it seems Turkish believes terrorist activities are carried out by only/ mostly muslims.

[TURKISH]

Turkish I expected better.:thumbdown:

There are so many and you cant name one. I know your christian but there are christian terrorist group and I am suprised you dont they exist.

How about the Ku Klux Klan:scared:

No muslims did not put a plane into the twin towers. 15 muslims flew 2 planes into the twin towers. They dont represent the 1.3 billion muslims.

There is 1.3 billion muslims in the world so your talking about 1 in one hundred million muslims putting planes into the twin towers.

You stereotype to a ridiculous scale:

muslims = potentail terrorist
christians = not potentail terrorist

George bush is a terrorist and is a fundamentalist Christian. He makes constant references to God when he refers to America's "victory" in Iraq, as if God endorses his sordid killing spree. He makes no mention of the children, women, and old men killed by America's "precision-guided" missiles and bombs and trigger-happy U.S. troops. In fact, Bush revels in indiscriminate blood letting.

Notice I am not saying christains are terrorists but george w bush is a terrorist.

Turkish nowhere does it say you can kill innocent people in the quran. If you could show me where it does say that then I would agree with you. But because you wont find it anywhere you should just stop repeating incorrect information.

I am telling you that you have stereotyped people base on their religion or nationality. I am not saying you intentionally meant it so I am not accusing you of Racism.

I am just saying you are showing your ignorance of other religions (Islam and Christianity) as well as stereotyping the middle east.

People misread there bibles it doesn't say "put two planes in the twin tower" but your just as naive as me because its common known fact that terrorist justify there evil acts through there bible. The terrorists who perpetrated these evil acts, and others in the terrorist network worldwide, claim they are only carrying out what they believe the Koran instructs them to do. After all, they say, the Koran states ‘…then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…’ (9:5).

Also: ‘…I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them’ (8:12).

Am i saying all muslims are terrorists? You putting words in my mouth. How many muslims is there in al quida? Theres more than 15 otherwise george bush wouldn't have sent his troops into afganistan would he? Also there wasn't just one plane there was about 3 to four (im not 100% sure) and others failed. What about the bombing in spain and england?

You say your expect better but you seem to put your nose up at anything anyone says, i haven't been racist or said anything in a vile way. Your quick to judge people and what i said isn't out of line the fact that your slating me for something i said when you clearly haven't got a clue in why these religious terrorist start.

I don't take any notice of the ku klux klan history there vile pigs and a bunch of rascist so i wouldn't know what there religion is.

All i said was there any crazed christians, i never said there isn't any i was asking a question for you or antone esle in that thread to anwser but you didn't want to educate me on that point.

Im gald you made the point on christians terrorist which proves my point on relgion causing wars. I never said all muslims are terrorist so please stop mis quoting me because im getting fed up of it.

I have shown ignorance especially on christianity but all i was doing was using muslims faith as an example of how relgion causes wars and how people get blinded by faith.

Incorrect information? so wrong because i will swear on my mothers life i saw a muslim say that these terrorist misread there bibles and believe they are doing gods work.

I have many friends who have turned muslim and what has happened in the last 7 to 8 years has made me use islam as an example on terrorist because they are the only ones i have heard about. Sorry but true, if i would of watched a documentary on all religion terrorists than obviously i would of known christians are just as bad. But im only going on from what ive seen and heard in the last 7 years.

I don't know where you have come up with the idear i think all muslims are terrorist and you keep saying stuff that i have not said or implied.

I have no problem with muslims my mums bf helped build there mosk in thornton heath about 10 or so years ago which i was there and had a tour.

[TURKISH]

It isn't out of nothing. You perpetrated a stereotype, that of crazed Muslim terrorists as opposed to rational, cosy Christians. With the name you've chosen, one would expect you to be amongst the last on here to be so lazy and ignorant.

I just asked the question that was all.

And ive explained what ive needed to in my choda like post.

[TURKISH]

succinctly put jrio.

Radovan Karadzic is a terrorist and is Christian.

But I am not accusing Christians of being terrorists. and I am not saying the Bible says go and be a terrorist.

Karadzic organised the massacre of at least 7,500 Muslim men and youths in Srebrenica.
Targeted Bosnian Muslim and Croat political leaders, intellectuals and professionals.

Turkish you are showing your ignorance of terrorist atrocities commited by Christians.

That is disgusting, sickening if you have heard of these crimes against humanity but excuse it because it was done by a Christian.

I could name more crimes against humanity commited by Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc but it seems Turkish believes terrorist activities are carried out by only/ mostly muslims.

All lies to try and make out im against muslims. You are pathetic all i said was is there any crazed christians? I don't know, i honestly don't it was a question.

Ive not heard of these crimes, im sorry if thats offends you.

I was just making points on why religion caused war and gave muslims as an example and all of a sudden i think they carry out all the terrorist acts.

[jrio]

[/B]

All lies to try and make out im against muslims. You are pathetic all i said was is there any crazed christians? I don't know, i honestly don't it was a question.

Ive not heard of these crimes, im sorry if thats offends you.

I was just making points on why religion caused war and gave muslims as an example and all of a sudden i think they carry out all the terrorist acts.

I know you're not a Muslim hater, but some of your statements were very loose and could easily give that impression to anyone not familiar with you. A statement like " Are there any crazed Christians?" is usually read as rhetorical in such circumstances i.e. It isn't an actual question. Allied to your "fvcking Arab company" remark, you supplied all of the ammunition. I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who's never encountered you, and if I'd read similar about other ethnic groups from an unknown poster, I would have assumed the worst. I think it's fair to say that you were being naive and speaking with an attitude of unsophistication regarding how your remarks could be perceived.

[TURKISH]

I know you're not a Muslim hater, but some of your statements were very loose and could easily give that impression to anyone not familiar with you. A statement like " Are there any crazed Christians?" is usually read as rhetorical in such circumstances i.e. It isn't an actual question. Allied to your "fvcking Arab company" remark, you supplied all of the ammunition. I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who's never encountered you, and if I'd read similar about other ethnic groups from an unknown poster, I would have assumed the worst. I think it's fair to say that you were being naive and speaking with an attitude of unsophistication regarding how your remarks could be perceived.

I know what i ment and i have no doubts in my minds in the way i said things was never ment in a insulting way.

Its just the way people view things and they can make of it what they like.

[berbzy 'G']

f*ck me some of you love to exaggerate.

[gomessi]

I know you're not a Muslim hater, but some of your statements were very loose and could easily give that impression to anyone not familiar with you. A statement like " Are there any crazed Christians?" is usually read as rhetorical in such circumstances i.e. It isn't an actual question. Allied to your "fvcking Arab company" remark, you supplied all of the ammunition. I'm looking at it from the perspective of someone who's never encountered you, and if I'd read similar about other ethnic groups from an unknown poster, I would have assumed the worst. I think it's fair to say that you were being naive and speaking with an attitude of unsophistication regarding how your remarks could be perceived.

turkish I dont know you mate and like jrio said you did leave yourself open to accusation.

I am not saying you are a racist, islamophobic or trying to insult me or anyone in particular.

I would just like you to be a bit more careful in the way you express yourself.

P.s. The statements you have taken from the quran have to be read in context with the tafsir which explain the meanings of the Qur’anic verses, clarifying their import and finding out their significance.

Because the Qur’an is spoken in classical Arabic, the later converts to Islam (mostly non-Arabs) did not always understand the Qur’anic Arabic, they did not catch allusions that were clear to early Muslims fluent in Arabic and they were concerned with reconciling apparent conflict of themes in the Qur’an.

The main Qur'anic statement that Muslim scholars hold portray Christians and Jews in a positive image and is the following verse from the verse 62 of Surah Al-Baqara which states:

"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"

If you want I can explain those verses to you.

Peace and I am holding no hard feelings or bitterness towards yourself. Can we all just get on :001_smile: :thumbup:

[TURKISH]

turkish I dont know you mate and like jrio said you did leave yourself open to accusation.

I am not saying you are a racist, islamophobic or trying to insult me or anyone in particular.

I would just like you to be a bit more careful in the way you express yourself.

P.s. The statements you have taken from the quran have to be read in context with the tafsir which explain the meanings of the Qur’anic verses, clarifying their import and finding out their significance.

Because the Qur’an is spoken in classical Arabic, the later converts to Islam (mostly non-Arabs) did not always understand the Qur’anic Arabic, they did not catch allusions that were clear to early Muslims fluent in Arabic and they were concerned with reconciling apparent conflict of themes in the Qur’an.

The main Qur'anic statement that Muslim scholars hold portray Christians and Jews in a positive image and is the following verse from the verse 62 of Surah Al-Baqara which states:

"Those who believe, the Jews, Christians and Sabians - any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord. They need not fear, nor shall they grieve"

If you want I can explain those verses to you.

Peace and I am holding no hard feelings or bitterness towards yourself. Can we all just get on :001_smile: :thumbup:


I hope you forgive my agreesive nature in my last two threads and hope you can forgive and maintain a friendly relationship (or loving one if you fancy and kiss and cuddle?:001_wub: )

As i said religion starts wars and in our case arguments i hold no ill feeling and hope we can just move on from this infamous thread.



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[jrio]

I'm a hardcore atheist, have absolutely no respect for any religion, just as I don't for anyone that believes in ghouls, gremlins or pixies, and believe that understanding only comes through familiarity, rationality and tolerance. Religion is all about fear, not respect. I don't deny anyone the right to believe their little fairytales, I just don't want them to impose their lunacy on those of us that know that life, the universe and everything can be explained through science, the same science that is allowing me to type this now and transmit it across the world.

[berbzy 'G']

I'm a hardcore atheist, have absolutely no respect for any religion, just as I don't for anyone that believes in ghouls, gremlins or pixies, and believe that understanding only comes through familiarity, rationality and tolerance. Religion is all about fear, not respect. I don't deny anyone the right to believe their little fairytales, I just don't want them to impose their lunacy on those of us that know that life, the universe and everything can be explained through science, the same science that is allowing me to type this now and transmit it across the world.

So what you saying?

[gomessi]

I hope you forgive my agreesive nature in my last two threads and hope you can forgive and maintain a friendly relationship (or loving one if you fancy and kiss and cuddle?:001_wub: )

As i said religion starts wars and in our case arguments i hold no ill feeling and hope we can just move on from this infamous thread.



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All cool mate:001_smile: Just to clear up a few misconceptions and show you how easy it is to get tricked by not reading things in context.

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them until the expiration date. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.

Like I said turkish it is all to with context and understanding of the passage. A peace treaty was signed and there is a TRUCE. If the peace treaty gets broken obviously there is going to be a war. If german troops come over to england to take it (like in ww2) dont you think it is our right to defend ourselves by aby means neccessary. If they refuse to make peace and want to be aggressive we dont have much choice do we. If they want to make peace then it is easy, no war.


[8:12] Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger."

[8:13] This is what they have justly incurred by fighting GOD and His messenger. For those who fight against GOD and His messenger, GOD's retribution is severe.

[8:14] This is to punish the disbelievers; they have incurred the retribution of Hell.

[8:15] O you who believe, if you encounter the disbelievers who have mobilized against you, do not turn back and flee.

Again same thing. If an army is assembled to fight against you what do you do, Would you run away or fight them resulting in your death or theirs.

If there is a war in those times (1400 years ago) the 2 groups would fight until one is victorious or a peace treaty is agreed.

Same principle would apply if an army was invading London. We would fight to the death to defend it or until a peace treaty is agreed.

[gomessi]

I hope you forgive my agreesive nature in my last two threads and hope you can forgive and maintain a friendly relationship (or loving one if you fancy and kiss and cuddle?:001_wub: )

As i said religion starts wars and in our case arguments i hold no ill feeling and hope we can just move on from this infamous thread.
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Turkish all is forgiven mate we should just talk spurs :001_smile:

(Not a JJ debate though they are nearly as bad as the religious ones!)

I have also done A level Religious Studies so Turkish I am the wrong person to pick an argument with regarding religion/ religious texts etc.

Lets just stick to spurs :001_smile: I dont like these arguments mate.

[gomessi]

I'm a hardcore atheist, have absolutely no respect for any religion, just as I don't for anyone that believes in ghouls, gremlins or pixies, and believe that understanding only comes through familiarity, rationality and tolerance. Religion is all about fear, not respect. I don't deny anyone the right to believe their little fairytales, I just don't want them to impose their lunacy on those of us that know that life, the universe and everything can be explained through science, the same science that is allowing me to type this now and transmit it across the world.

I have respect for anyone who is a decent human being. No problem with any of your views.

You might interpret religion as all about fear and not encouraging respect but that isnt true.

Actually scrap that I dont want to start another argument....

[berbzy 'G']

I have respect for anyone who is a decent human being. No problem with any of your views.

You might interpret religion as all about fear and not encouraging respect but that isnt true.

Actually scrap that I dont want to start another argument....

for f*cks sake. Il change the topic from now, yes?

Will King play against L'pool tomorow?

[gomessi]

for f*cks sake. Il change the topic from now, yes?

Will King play against L'pool tomorow?

sorry berbs no more talk of religion on here.

King will play if he is fit to play.

Silly question berbz:thumbdown:

[TURKISH]

sorry berbs no more talk of religion on here.

King will play if he is fit to play.

Silly question berbz:thumbdown:

I got a feeling he will though, harry will throw him out there and to be honest we need him.

Will lennon start with bale left back? I can't wait for the game top draw!

[berbzy 'G']

sorry berbs no more talk of religion on here.

King will play if he is fit to play.

Silly question berbz:thumbdown:

I was worried cos he didnt play against Arsenal :cursing:

[jrio]

I have respect for anyone who is a decent human being. No problem with any of your views.

You might interpret religion as all about fear and not encouraging respect but that isnt true.

Actually scrap that I dont want to start another argument....

You could have scrapped it by editing, but you didn't, meaning you might expect a response.

Briefly, religion comes from the lack of ability to understand, which is no surprise since evolution only became a concept under Darwin not much more than 100 years ago, and microscopic organisms like bacteria, could not be recognised without scientific equipment. From ignorance comes fear, and combined with a consciousness that understands the possibility of death, it extends to creating a higher power that can deny death and lead to life after death. That leads to a parochialism, a faith that denies any argument and the mindset that wants to remove dissension through the threat of death.

There is no life after death, by definition that is the end, but it is hard to face, all those experiences, memories and lessons learnt, gone, and to where? Nowhere. But people want meaning, they yearn for it, and cannot accept chaos, which is too frightening because it means anything can happen, most likely harmful, and so we have religions.

[gomessi]

You could have scrapped it by editing, but you didn't, meaning you might expect a response.

Briefly, religion comes from the lack of ability to understand, which is no surprise since evolution only became a concept under Darwin not much more than 100 years ago, and microscopic organisms like bacteria, could not be recognised without scientific equipment. From ignorance comes fear, and combined with a consciousness that understands the possibility of death, it extends to creating a higher power that can deny death and lead to life after death. That leads to a parochialism, a faith that denies any argument and the mindset that wants to remove dissension through the threat of death.

There is no life after death, by definition that is the end, but it is hard to face, all those experiences, memories and lessons learnt, gone, and to where? Nowhere. But people want meaning, they yearn for it, and cannot accept chaos, which is too frightening because it means anything can happen, most likely harmful, and so we have religions.

wasnt actually expecting a response but I knew you wouldnt resist in providing one.

I already had an idea of how you would respons jrio. You havent really told me anything I have not heard before. jrio I believe in god and you dont. But we will all find out when we die.

As long as we can have respect towards one another I am not bothered in what you or anyone else believe.

I am happy in what I believe in and the same is probably true for you. Lets all get along.

p.s. you sound like one of my mates at uni

[jrio]

wasnt actually expecting a response but I knew you wouldnt resist in providing one.

I already had an idea of how you would respons jrio. You havent really told me anything I have not heard before. jrio I believe in god and you dont. But we will all find out when we die.

As long as we can have respect towards one another I am not bothered in what you or anyone else believe.

I am happy in what I believe in and the same is probably true for you. Lets all get along.

p.s. you sound like one of my mates at uni
Aren't you the bio-chemist telling me you believe in life after death? You're studying science, an advanced science, yet you're willing to believe in fantasies about a kind of eternal life, I suppose one based on having a soul. Curious. You obviously accept the principles of evolution, so you can see how life can have reached an advanced level from the most miniscule of beginnings, but at some stage you've somehow accepted the idea that humans have had souls transplanted into them. I'm supposing this must be a product of your upbringing, your parents essentially, and that it may take many more years before you proselytise the proper explanation.

[TURKISH]

Science can't explain my nan vistiting my dream one night, in the dream it was me crying saying im sorry and she telling me not to worry i will allways love you. I hadn't seen my nan for about 6 years than saw her when i was 14 and she told me to make sure i see her again which i didn't even though i promised (its a long story that hasn't got anything to do with my nan) . So three years after i last saw her i had the dream and i wake up feeling abit strange because it was abit surreal and at 12miday my mum comes up to tell me my nan passed away the night before.

What ever will be will be i guess i have more great storys like that which has happened over the years.

[jrio]

Science can't explain my nan vistiting my dream one night, in the dream it was me crying saying im sorry and she telling me not to worry i will allways love you. I hadn't seen my nan for about 6 years than saw her when i was 14 and she told me to make sure i see her again which i didn't even though i promised (its a long story that hasn't got anything to do with my nan) . So three years on i wake up after this dream feeling abit strange because it was abit surreal and at 12miday my mum comes up to tell me my nan passed away the night before.

What ever will be will be i guess i have more great storys like that which has happened over the years.
Are they all as rubbish as this one? :thumbdown: Why were you in a coma for 3 years?

You're forgetting the millions of other dreams you had that potentially had similar significance, but the end result is they had none. One in a trillion. Yeah, that makes sense. :001_rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

Are they all as rubbish as this one? :thumbdown: Why were you in a coma for 3 years?

You're forgetting the millions of other dreams you had that potentially had similar significance, but the end result is they had none. One in a trillion. Yeah, that makes sense. :001_rolleyes:

No three years on after i last saw her. Than i had the dream the night after she passed away. I wrote it wrong.

Don't be such a jerkoff no wonder no one likes you on here. As allways you have to be right all the time.

[gomessi]

Aren't you the bio-chemist telling me you believe in life after death? You're studying science, an advanced science, yet you're willing to believe in fantasies about a kind of eternal life, I suppose one based on having a soul. Curious. You obviously accept the principles of evolution, so you can see how life can have reached an advanced level from the most miniscule of beginnings, but at some stage you've somehow accepted the idea that humans have had souls transplanted into them. I'm supposing this must be a product of your upbringing, your parents essentially, and that it may take many more years before you proselytise the proper explanation.

It might seem ironic to you but there are some lecturers I know (they got pHds etc) that also believe in god as well as evolution.

I could change my belief in god to disbelief but I do believe in god and it has little to do with the upbringing my parents have given me.

I find the question of how the universe came to be as one that puzzles me more greatly and a question I find very difficult to answer. This is what leads to my belief in god.

A SCIENTIFIC FACT:

"The law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." -Wikipedia

THE QUESTION:

"If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did all the energy that exists in the universe today come from ?"

A LOGICAL ANSWER(possibly the only logical answer):

"There must be a thing that is above the law itself, a thing that creates the energiy first and then creates the law and puts it in place."

Whatever that thing is, god or not god, we don't know, because we can't prove what it is, but we know that there's a thing and we know that that thing can create.

I would expect you to respond as follows:

juandes soldier you are making the assumption that energy was created, that there is a beginning. As finite beings we try to see things as finite, having a beginning and an end. What if that isn't true? What if it is true that energy cannot be created or destroyed? What if it has always existed, a timeline that expands out in both directions forever? The Universe had a beginning, but it came from energy and matter that existed before.

This thread has changed from a spurs sponsor to accustaions of ignorance into the question of god/afterlife)

[gomessi]

No three years on after i last saw her. Than i had the dream the night after she passed away. I wrote it wrong.

Don't be such a jerkoff no wonder no one likes you on here. As allways you have to be right all the time.

Just ignore jrio if he upset you.

I find his posts well thought out most of the time.

[TURKISH]

Just ignore jrio if he upset you.

I find his posts well thought out most of the time.

You should of saw the last religious post we had back a year ago.:sad:

I like your last post it sums up why i do believe there is something greater out there. I remember asking my science teacher does he believe in god and he said yes also.

Obviously there is never any proof to why we should believe in a god/heaven ect but theres never any reason to mock or question someones belief or belittle them in any shape or form.

[TURKISH]

"If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did all the energy that exists in the universe today come from ?"

Very intresting, also to think how massive this universe is frightning. With all the black holes ect it really does give you a headache.:scared:

[berbzy 'G']

"If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did all the energy that exists in the universe today come from ?"

Very intresting, also to think how massive this universe is frightning. With all the black holes ect it really does give you a headache.:scared:

I do have occasions where I go into deep thinking about life and the Universe with no ending for a few seconds. and it makes me feel quite sick in a strange way.

[TURKISH]

I do have occasions where I go into deep thinking about life and the Universe with no ending for a few seconds. and it makes me feel quite sick in a strange way.

Yer same ere also quiet scary.

[jrio]

No three years on after i last saw her. Than i had the dream the night after she passed away. I wrote it wrong.

Don't be such a jerkoff no wonder no one likes you on here. As allways you have to be right all the time.
Everyone thinks they're right all the time, otherwise they wouldn't hold the views that they do. If I made you think a bit, then my job was done.

[jrio]

It might seem ironic to you but there are some lecturers I know (they got pHds etc) that also believe in god as well as evolution.
Anomalous, but not ironic.

I could change my belief in god to disbelief but I do believe in god and it has little to do with the upbringing my parents have given me.

I find the question of how the universe came to be as one that puzzles me more greatly and a question I find very difficult to answer. This is what leads to my belief in god.

A SCIENTIFIC FACT:

"The law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." -Wikipedia

THE QUESTION:

"If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did all the energy that exists in the universe today come from ?"

A LOGICAL ANSWER(possibly the only logical answer):

"There must be a thing that is above the law itself, a thing that creates the energiy first and then creates the law and puts it in place."

Whatever that thing is, god or not god, we don't know, because we can't prove what it is, but we know that there's a thing and we know that that thing can create.

I would expect you to respond as follows:

juandes soldier you are making the assumption that energy was created, that there is a beginning. As finite beings we try to see things as finite, having a beginning and an end. What if that isn't true? What if it is true that energy cannot be created or destroyed? What if it has always existed, a timeline that expands out in both directions forever? The Universe had a beginning, but it came from energy and matter that existed before.

This thread has changed from a spurs sponsor to accustaions of ignorance into the question of god/afterlife)
Quoting Wiki makes you look rather desperate. Postulating "possibly the only logical answer" suggests a lack of a truly enquiring mind.

My hypothetical response was VERY amusing, especially where I start with your username. I found it a very concise summary, but not one I would have made.

In this discussion, we haven't been concerned with explaining the universe, but the existence of a particular god figure, pertaining to humans on Earth. It is enough to remark that our planet is less than a tiny speck on a car windscreen in the scheme of things, and for this reason alone we can conclude that our planet being the centre of a god figure's machinations, and humans being made in that image, is a ludicrous enough concept, one of an enormous vanity and egocentricity.

[gomessi]

Anomalous, but not ironic.

Quoting Wiki makes you look rather desperate. Postulating "possibly the only logical answer" suggests a lack of a truly enquiring mind.

My hypothetical response was VERY amusing, especially where I start with your username. I found it a very concise summary, but not one I would have made.

In this discussion, we haven't been concerned with explaining the universe, but the existence of a particular god figure, pertaining to humans on Earth. It is enough to remark that our planet is less than a tiny speck on a car windscreen in the scheme of things, and for this reason alone we can conclude that our planet being the centre of a god figure's machinations, and humans being made in that image, is a ludicrous enough concept, one of an enormous vanity and egocentricity.

first of all turksish is right why do yuo always have to souns so big headed and think you know all the answers.

1. When I stated "possibly the only logical answer" it doesnt show a lack of trult enquiring mind. You cant make that judgement from just 1 statement. :angry: Perhaps I should have said logical post.

2. Nothing wrong with wiki if it states correct information is there.

3. I can take this discussion wherever I want. If I want to change the subject I will.

4. Where have I talked about humans made in the image of god ("humans being made in that image"). Your making up a lot of rubbish there.

Finally stop acting like you know everything it is irritating and reflects badly on you as a person.

p.s. I cant be bothered to change my username.

[Mattyboii]

wow was kinda hoping to see some funny ones or marlow developing his amazing playboy idea:drool:
when did this start to turn into god?
aah nvm i cba to look back :)

[gomessi]

wow was kinda hoping to see some funny ones or marlow developing his amazing playboy idea:drool:
when did this start to turn into god?
aah nvm i cba to look back :)

I have said earlier in a previous thread about talking about religion/god would lead to arguments.

I will be talking only about spurs from now on.

[JuicE]

You could have scrapped it by editing, but you didn't, meaning you might expect a response.

Briefly, religion comes from the lack of ability to understand, which is no surprise since evolution only became a concept under Darwin not much more than 100 years ago, and microscopic organisms like bacteria, could not be recognised without scientific equipment. From ignorance comes fear, and combined with a consciousness that understands the possibility of death, it extends to creating a higher power that can deny death and lead to life after death. That leads to a parochialism, a faith that denies any argument and the mindset that wants to remove dissension through the threat of death.

There is no life after death, by definition that is the end, but it is hard to face, all those experiences, memories and lessons learnt, gone, and to where? Nowhere. But people want meaning, they yearn for it, and cannot accept chaos, which is too frightening because it means anything can happen, most likely harmful, and so we have religions.


I'm with you there!:thumbup1:

[MarlowSpurs]

Could always ask Westwood to "Pimp our Lane":cursing:

[jrio]

first of all turksish is right why do yuo always have to souns so big headed and think you know all the answers.

1. When I stated "possibly the only logical answer" it doesnt show a lack of trult enquiring mind. You cant make that judgement from just 1 statement. :angry: Perhaps I should have said logical post.

2. Nothing wrong with wiki if it states correct information is there.

3. I can take this discussion wherever I want. If I want to change the subject I will.

4. Where have I talked about humans made in the image of god ("humans being made in that image"). Your making up a lot of rubbish there.

Finally stop acting like you know everything it is irritating and reflects badly on you as a person.

p.s. I cant be bothered to change my username.
1. Yes
2. OK
3. Since you were suggesting it was an answer I would give, I was commenting in that respect.
4. An assumption based on conventional religions.

You don't really sound like you believe in a god, more like some amorphous energy force. Are you a big Star Wars fan?

You young kids get easily upset, don't you? :wink:

How about "Harry's Hotspur"? :001_smile:

[berbzy 'G']

I dont know wether to believe in God. Surely if there was a God there would be no evil in the World?

[jrio]

I dont know wether to believe in God. Surely if there was a God there would be no evil in the World?

Wot? U mean like there be no Arsenal? :001_smile: