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Shuggie13
2nd July 2006, 08:07 AM
Isn't English football supposed to be a never say die attitude?

Lets have a look at the semi-finalists......

1) Germany, have played better and better as each game has progressed. Have a leader in Ballack that could barely walk against Argentina for what seemed like an hour. Led his team by example, scored a penalty. Germany have a coach in Klinsman, that had no public support but has been bold, made great substitutions, led and inspired his squad.

2) Italy, frustrating, cheating, scandals and Pessoto looking like he has tried to commit suicide. However they pulled themselves out of it and gave a great peformance against,admittedly a weak, Ukraine (had we faced Ukraine I think we would of made a real struggle of it). Although at times I can not stand Italian football/ers, when they are good I love watching their football. Totti, back from injury, back from past terrible errors of judgement in previous Tourney's, lead and inspired. Gattuso was phenomenal, putting in a very 'English' peformance. Lippi, been there, done it, won the titles stuck to his guns and had the belief.

3) France, Zidane a Genius past his prime. Like watching a former heavy-weight champ embarrisingly have a final fight ten years after his last belt. We watched him and thought 'I remember those great days it is such a shame watching him now'. Vierra not the player he used to be, Henry can't score for love nor money, Riberry over-rated. A French team that was as unspectacular and laughable as 2002.

In two games, transformed. Zidane never, ever gave up, lead a team with maybe not the legs but still with the guile that his is loved for. Vierra picked himself up and put in the sort of peformances that frustatingly he used to for the Scum week in and week out. Ribery showed why the French public insisted he was in the side. France ended up outplaying and outclassing a very, very good Spanish side. France ended up bossing a Brazilian side telling them 'We have no fear, we will outplay you and this time you won't have Ronaldo and Nike conspiracies to use as an excuse'.

You may think I'm being a little bit over the top, a little bit emotive. However I can guarentee this is how EVERY German, Italian and French fan will be feeling at the moment.

We English fans should of been feeling the same.

What we had though was......

1) A Captain in Beckham who in his last World Cup should have been leading his team by example, fighting for every ball, screaming at every misplaced pass and poor tracking back. This was his last chance to shine he should have looked at his ex Team-mate Zidane.

2) Arguably the best back four in the tournemant that should of been the platform (like Italy) to great victories, not over-exposed and restrained by a terrible system. Rio brought the ball forward once yesterday and I don't recall Terry being able to do it once during all 5 games.

3) Lampard, a shrinking violet that leads a Chelsea side from midfield but looks completely out of place in the England set-up because he is not the 'main man'.

4) Gerrard who I think was completely stiffled, and I would never knock. But yet again for some reason he too felt he couldn't transfer his leadership from Liverpool into the England set-up. He too for some reason barely found his voice and inspiration.

5) Rooney who was frustrated beyond belief. Put in a role that suffocated his game and talent. I will never blame him (excessively) for the sending off. He's a 20 year old that through sheer determination brought himself back from injury. A 20 year old that everyone is calling the biggest saviour since Christ and he was let down by a farcical system that gave him no support. I'm pleased he was frustrated although obviously not pleased in the way he vented it. Had some of the rest of the team had his passion and determination, the frustration that they were not performing, we probably would not of been having these discussions today.

6) Sven, a pat on the back for the man who pulled of the biggest con job in the history of the game.

5 million a year. 5 million to not take Defoe or Ashton or Bent, even Christain Gross could have worked that one out. 5 million to take arguably a team that was better than 1990, better than 1966 and completely stifle them. 5 million to not have the balls to drop Beckham and play Lennon who radically changed the attitude and play of the team.

5 million to have no leadership qualities, no inspiration and no idea.

mjbmedia
2nd July 2006, 08:23 AM
youre not bitter are you ;-)

no youre right tho, passionless, the fans there knew it too cos the whole place went quiet in the first half, if a players off form, drop him, its not rocket science, unless youre swedish ala Ibrahimovic too.

Shuggie13
2nd July 2006, 09:02 AM
LOL, no I'm not bitter, just passionate about England.

The point was there should of been no reason why we shouldn't of performed like those other 3 teams. It's very frustrating.

whistler9027
2nd July 2006, 09:18 AM
We get told how gret the premier league is all the time...and yep it is excitng and there is great quality.But a lot of the quality is from the 50% plus of foreign imports that play.Our top clubs who represent us in europe don't play many english players,and few english players play in other top euro leagues,partly due to their inflated prices also they arn't able to adjust their games.We big up often average players after they have a few half decent games and think we are world beaters.I love my country,I love football but we arnt gonna win a thing at international level until we give young english talent a chance ...with the clubs competing in europe.The prem is fast and furious,but isnt about keeping the ball,when england have to change tempo we can't.Unless we restructure completely,get realistic about english players transfer fees and encourage clubs to buy english talent and build around it we r ****ed.Bad coach..yes...players who r told they r better than they r..yes.Of the 4 semi finalists all are said to have inferior leagues to us and even spain who also underachieve...yet they can out play us consistently at international level.All leagues go in cycles eventually the prem bubble will burst..either we'll b watching entirely foreign teams in our league..or the money will just get so crazy clubs will not compete..
Mclaren aint the man either....

Shuggie13
2nd July 2006, 09:22 AM
Well said Whistler, which makes me even more proud to be Spurs fan, a team that will be dominating soon boasting a core of ENglish talent.

suBerb
2nd July 2006, 09:46 AM
English players are very tired. The same holds for Brasilian players. This is why they are out-of-form. For instance, Jerrard and Lampard looked as GBR 3-4 mill. players...Besides, most English stars are a little bit overrated. Lampard van be very useful , but never a world-class player. By contarst, Aaron Lennon can be truly great. He's like Leo Messi.

suBerb
2nd July 2006, 09:48 AM
Gerrard, of course...

whistler9027
2nd July 2006, 10:34 AM
i hope spurs can continue to develop and have faith in home grown talent...and be successful with that talent.it will take a club like spurs to go on and prove this point...I hope we take it into europe this year..and not only win but play with style..pace and flair.

GOONHATER
2nd July 2006, 11:14 AM
Wallcott Was Great Though Was'nt He!

Spur
2nd July 2006, 11:30 AM
6) Sven, a pat on the back for the man who pulled of the biggest con job in the history of the game.

And that's all he ever done. And when we found out what did we do...?



We gave the man a pay rise.

Shuggie13
2nd July 2006, 01:28 PM
We gave the man a pay rise.

Amazing isn't it. He should of been booted after 2004. At that time Martin O'Neill would of been more persuadable I think.

highlander
2nd July 2006, 03:23 PM
a brilliant point made by Shuggie13 about Gerrard being stiffled. lampard is a great player for chelsea and was for england but has had a terrible tournament. the partnership of lamps and gerrard has not worked for long enough now and gerrard is far better than lampard.

MarlowSpurs
2nd July 2006, 03:36 PM
Wallcott Was Great Though Was'nt He!
I heard he was the best bench warmer England have ever had.

Chinaman
2nd July 2006, 03:55 PM
Isn't English football supposed to be a never say die attitude?

5 million to take arguably a team that was better than 1990, better than 1966 and completely stifle them.



I agree with what you say except that this team is better than the one in 1966 as there is the absence of truly world class players like Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton and Jimmy Greaves. Even the best of today's team might suffer from comparison to the likes of Peters, Ball, Hurst and Big Jackie.

Shuggie13
2nd July 2006, 05:26 PM
Agreed Chinaman, and I did say 'arguably'. However the current team had the potential of those two sides.

fluke
3rd July 2006, 05:29 AM
Do any of you guys get flashes of how the game would have looked if Defoe was running at their defence in extra-time instead of Crouch (who semed to be going the wrong way at times). The Walcott fiasco is impossible to fathom. I walk around shaking my head like a nutcase thinking about it.
Did we have to play a ton of friendlies and qualifiers to figure out Lampard and Gerrard dosn't work? Where is the crime in benching one of them? So you have a world class player on the bench, big deal, Chelsea do it every week. Kept hearing how tired they were or how hot it was anyway, if you're knackered you should sit down, don't play as a liability. At this rate the world cup is going to have to be hosted by Iceland in August to provide English players with an environment for them to win the competition.

Am I bitter?
****ing right I am.

mjbmedia
3rd July 2006, 06:43 AM
yeh every game i would say to everyone, Defoe would have buried that chance.
Also WTF did ROoney tackle Lennon after the lads great run into the box, he was just about to shoot with his left peg and Rooney jumps in and ****s it all up with a limp shot, Lennon would have scored then i just know it