sven you are to blame

[Hayes Massive]

So thats it,forget the penalties ,we lost our chance of winning a very winnable world cup here in England.Our £5 million pound a year manager let us down!!
We all are football supporters we all watch football because we love it,but not one of us would have taken to a world cup 4 strikers 2 injured & one you are never going to play.
Not one of us would have played 4-5-1 & not one of us would have kept playing Beckham when he was so off form.
Our manager did & he has let everyone of us down & should apologise publicly to every one of us including the players who like us put their faith in the man & that man let them & us down
Thank god i support tottenham with a manager we can all trust & with whom we will do what sven was never going to do win things playing good football.
I AM NOW GOING TO GET DRUNK WHILST WATCHING " MANAGERS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING>

[MarlowSpurs]

Have to agree here, but I am glad that the swedish **** has now gone. He was more interested where his next shag was coming from than football, but why can't we score penalties, I mean its
A: Put ball on spot
B: Take run up
C: Pick a spot and smash the ****ing ball down the throat of the poor sod who is in goal
D: Dance like a ****
Easy

[hastingsyid]

Have to agree here, but I am glad that the swedish **** has now gone. He was more interested where his next shag was coming from than football, but why can't we score penalties, I mean its
A: Put ball on spot
B: Take run up
C: Pick a spot and smash the ****ing ball down the throat of the poor sod who is in goal
D: Dance like a ****
Easy
COULDNT PUT IT EASIER MYSELF.sven is the worst manager we have ever had,worse than turnip taylor,worse than them all hes a complete tosser

[England's No.1]

I agree with a lot of the comments above, but I've got a feeling it's not gonna get any better with Steve McLaren in charge.

Gimme O'Neill or Big Sam anyday!

[MarlowSpurs]

I know what you mean if Mclaren was any good surely he would of said or done something at the wc

[mjbmedia]

the players also didnt perform, put Gerrard in Liverpool shirt and he'll run his socks off yet he gave up on way too much today and other matches, Ditto Lampard in Blue , the only one who plays as well for Country as club is Terry .
They as much as Sven are to blame, but you can let them hide behind their inabilities to play football like they do all season by blaming Sven, end of the day many of the players have CL experience and know what to do when , dont have to be told how and what to do (theyve all said that many times) yet when it came down to it their country doesnt matter to them as much as their club and the Champions League matches are more important to them than the World Cup.

Well they can **** off , bring in newer players dump Lampard Gerrard Beckham Rio and Crouch bring in some proud Englishmen instead of overpaid prima donas

[MarlowSpurs]

the players also didnt perform, put Gerrard in Liverpool shirt and he'll run his socks off yet he gave up on way too much today and other matches, Ditto Lampard in Blue , the only one who plays as well for Country as club is Terry .
They as much as Sven are to blame, but you can let them hide behind their inabilities to play football like they do all season by blaming Sven, end of the day many of the players have CL experience and know what to do when , dont have to be told how and what to do (theyve all said that many times) yet when it came down to it their country doesnt matter to them as much as their club and the Champions League matches are more important to them than the World Cup.

Well they can **** off , bring in newer players dump Lampard Gerrard Beckham Rio and Crouch bring in some proud Englishmen instead of overpaid prima donas

DITTO Well said that man

[highlander]

i dont mind Sven really. today he didnt do anything wrong, in fact in the whole tournament he was good, apart from the squad. but we did not deserve to lose and yet again it was some ****** ref who spoiled the game. bastard

[Spur]

today he didnt do anything wrong, in fact in the whole tournament he was good

That is possibly the worst statement ever.

Firstly, lets look at the starting line-up. Even though he was probably man-of-the-match, Hargreaves started the game. Right from the outset this sends a message that you have a man on the pitch just to get stuck in. Robbie Savage, if you will. Robbie Savage has never done anything good, so why would you pick him for the national side. And Lampard. Posssibly the worst player playing at the World Cup 2006. Joke.

Secondly, the substitutes. Crouch on for Cole. ****ING POOR. If ever there was a time to utilise the pace this was it. Lennon has been introuduced and is quickly causing chaos. Now, he shouldn't be there anyway, but Theo Walcott should have been stuck on and Lennon and him given the ball to make something happen. With Gerrard and the top-notch Lampard backing up - SURELY A GOAL WOULD COME!!! Never even given a chance. Sven made himself llok a fool by taking two players he never even used. Even when the game called for it. Jenas could have come on for Lamps. At least Jenas would pick up the ball and get it up the field. That despite Jenas maybe not even deserving of a squad place. the Carragher Lennon sub wwas a joke. You still have a minute left. The Portuguese were all in the England half, you get the ball to Li'l Lennon and you might have the winning goal on your hands. Not only that, but you bring on a definate penalty scorer - and he misses. Good one Sven, you've got me in stitches.

But what the **** does he care. He still took the FA for a good 40million in his extremely unsuccessful, pointless, embarrassing, joke of an England career. He will still get the Madrid job. And earn another 40mil for the next few years. It's just us lot that's left hurting. Afterall, Sven just had possibly the best group of players this country has ever seen to choose from, and ****ing wasted them down the ****ing shitter.

And the even funnier part of this. At the start of this tournament Stevie Mac said he had a big say in team selection...

Well that's us lot ****ed for at least another two years then.

[England's No.1]

Quality post, Spur. Agree with everything you said!

[highlander]

nah i dont really agree, Hargreaves has been fantastic for england whenever and wherever he has played in this tournament. cole for crouch; crouch needed to come on and the other 3 proper midfielders were earmarkerd for penalties so it had to be cole off. yes lampard was poor but we all knew he was going to start and i for one thought he was going to put right his poor form and score. and carragher on for lennon, it was clearly for the penalties and carragher did score his first pen which was the plan but the keeper started crying so he had to take it again and he wasnt going to score again.

[England's No.1]

I don't agree that Hargreaves has been fantastic, in fact far from it. IMO, he gives away way too many fouls and his passes rarely find their target. His play from the second half onwards today, was the first time he actually looked the part for me.

I suppose it all depends on what you look for in a player in that position.

[Spur]

Firstly, why not? It's not hard to score a penalty - Germany proved that last night - every single penalty was top drawer.

Secondly, if you are thinking about penalties with 60 minutes gone, I would have to say you were one of the daftest people on the planet. Seriously, only a fool would think the next hour of football would result in no goals.

Crouch is not a comfortable on the ball player, no matter what people say he should not be there. You want a player who's got a great brain, good on the ball and better than Crouch in the air...? Then you shoulda taken Dean Ashton becuase the kid is something else, he's ****ing quality. Therefore Crouch served no purpose other than knocking the ball up for him.

But then if Lamps is having a shocking game, he's not gonna be beside him to receive the knock down, and he had a shocker. Not only that but both full-backs like to get forward so where's the weak spot...? Doesn't take a bubble bath machine to figure out the ****ing full-backs are the ****ing weak link!!! So what do you do about it? I tell you all one thing for damn sure. YOU DON'T TAKE OFF THE ****ING WINGERS. Miguel is a great player. His one failing is he likes to get up that pitch. So you stick a winger there. Not take one off.

After Rooney went off, for being a complete dumb-ass may I add, all I saw from England was three extremely competent players in Owen H, Lamps and Stevie G - two of which are considered the best in the world - sitting in front of the back four completely ignoring their attacking roles. Then Lennon would get the ball have no support and be forced to pull one out the bag. The most attacking out of the three was Owen H, who was supposed to be the ****ing brawn behind the sublime skills and dependability of his two superior midfielders. Someone's gonna have to explain to me why Gerrard and Lampard decided to ****ing stop playing the game.

[shoot_ffs]

i agree with much of that spur but i thought lennon was too defensive too. in fact i think he should have been switched with crouch and been used to frighten their two centres on the half way line. i thought hargreaves played ok but the set up was never right for our strikers, and he was just doing what he was asked to do. The biggest flake for me was lampard he was awful and mentally away from the off. As was joe cole tonight.

[mjbmedia]

they aint English , theyre only Chelsea /Liverpool etc etc

give them shit at the EPL games next season, esp Ronaldo if he comes here again.

[Spur]

That was my point about bringing on Theo though, to put pace into the attack and actually try to frighten them. I think Owen H was just trying to do something for the team, I admire that, he took the initiative because maybe he knew that Gerrard and Lamps were underperfoming - he also had something to prove, was evident from the reaction after his penalty.

There is one moment that sticks out in my mind. Lennon was in acres of space on the right and calling for the ball. I'm not kidding, in all that space you could have grown a forest. He could of run the whole length of the field him and Crouch in the middle against the two centre-backs. Instead gary Neville decided to just conitue pumping it up for Crouch by hitting a long one ahead of him. I think Lennon wasn't getting the service even he needed which, let's face it, isn't exactly hard, all you have to do is make sure he's in a bit of space help him out if he needs it and pass him the ****ing ball.

[England's No.1]

There is one moment that sticks out in my mind. Lennon was in acres of space on the right and calling for the ball. I'm not kidding, in all that space you could have grown a forest.

I saw that too, I'm sure Beckham had warned the other players not to let Lennon get the ball, because he knows his days on the England right are numbered and didn't want to see Lennon shine.

:mad:

[Hayes Massive]

almost everything people have said comes back to the manager.wrong squad,wrong 11 on the pitch,players out of form & not being replaced from the squad,wrong formation & worst of all & this really hurts lack of beleif in our own ability,with preferance given to how we stop other teams playing & not on how we express the genuine ability a lot of our players have.All of the above happened before & during our world cup!

[onthejazzin77]

FOR ****S SAKE ENGLAND YOU ****ING UNDER PERFORMING, UNDER ACHIEVING, HIGHLY PAID LOSERS. This world cup was mostly lost ages ago by poor squad selection

SCANDAL 1 - Sven picks 4 strikers for a 23 man squad - 1 was injured, 1 is a lanky useless **** loathed by everyone outside of anfield, 1 had been out half the season injured and in poor form and the fouth has never played in the premiership nor has been watched by the manager. Surely there was 1 place going for any of the following - defoe, bent, ashton, johnson etc.

SCANDAL 2 - Picking Walcott and then not playing him. Not even for 1 lousy minute. what was the ****ing point? why pick him? why pick jenas? why drop carrick? why play beckham after he puked?

SCANDAL 3 - ****ING PENALTY KICKS PROTOCOL. Why do we always leave the last, most important, crucial, miss this and its pizza hut adverts penalty to a player who is not actually skilled or trained or paid to put the ball in the back of the net for a living? Ladies and gentlemen I give you southgate, batty and now jamie carragher. you can see it in their faces whether a player has any self doubt and i saw it today in carragher. the man is a ****ing defender - i cannot ever remember jamie carragher ever scoring a goal for anyone and certainly ive never seen him take a penalty. so why ****ing why?

[Shuggie13]

the players also didnt perform, put Gerrard in Liverpool shirt and he'll run his socks off yet he gave up on way too much today and other matches, Ditto Lampard in Blue , the only one who plays as well for Country as club is Terry .
They as much as Sven are to blame, but you can let them hide behind their inabilities to play football like they do all season by blaming Sven, end of the day many of the players have CL experience and know what to do when , dont have to be told how and what to do (theyve all said that many times) yet when it came down to it their country doesnt matter to them as much as their club and the Champions League matches are more important to them than the World Cup.

Well they can **** off , bring in newer players dump Lampard Gerrard Beckham Rio and Crouch bring in some proud Englishmen instead of overpaid prima donas

Got to say Gerrard has been playing for a full year now, and the system never helped him. Rio also had a reasonable tournemant. The others I agree about but lets face it how can you expect any team to peform well with that **** Ericksson coaching them.

[mjbmedia]

well im glad we aint got Scolari coming, cheating ****ing greaseball

[Welsh Spur]

I don't agree that Hargreaves has been fantastic, in fact far from it. IMO, he gives away way too many fouls and his passes rarely find their target. His play from the second half onwards today, was the first time he actually looked the part for me.

I suppose it all depends on what you look for in a player in that position.
Bollocks - he was superb against Sweden and by far the best player, portugese or english, on the pitch yesterday.

Also, during the 5 games did anyone else notice Joe Cole continually ignoring Ashely Cole's rampaging runs down the flank? He'd just cut inside and leave him running for nothing - it was almost everytime he made a run!!!

[JJ]

Bollocks - he was superb against Sweden and by far the best player, portugese or english, on the pitch yesterday.

I think i said it in another post, but you will always get 110% from Hargreaves, but that alone doesn't warrant his being on the pitch. Yes he was fantastic yesterday, all over the pitch, chasing and hassling, but there wasn't a great deal going forward. He made a few bursting runs but with no real end product. We need someone in there who can get the ball forward, and well. Mourinho called it when he said if we expect to play Lampard and Gerrard, that Carrick is the man for the job.

Joe Cole is a prick. As far as diving and being a whiny little shit that constantly harrasses referees goes, he's got it all.

[Spur]

Joe Cole is no winger. For Chelsea it works because their wingers need to cut in. But when playing 4 in midfield he is useless. It should have worked for when we were playing 5 in midfield, but for some reason he wasn't comfortable in the position he fills every ****ing week.

[singapore spur]

i really couldnt see why they let lampard take the 1st penalty , his confidence was rightly shot to bits . ok fair play to him if he volunteered it takes some bollocks ( i dont know if that was the case ) but for his own sake and the teams sge should have gone with someone else .another bad call along with all the rest highlighted here .

[Houdini logic]

Anyone that has actually thought Sven has done a good job should stop watching/playing football immediately, and perhaps take up horse riding or something.

[marcusto]

Hargreaves completly proved me wrong Saturday... he's a great player..... much like Gattuso... a ball winner and player who plays at 110%... some other England players could learn from him...

Sven subsitutions throughout his time as England manager were poor.... He never looked like he had a plan B or C... up until he starting using Lennon... Look at Euro 04, Rooney is injured and who do we bring on Darius Vassell... why not try doing something different like changing formation... other countries do it to counter their opposition.... not having one plan... get the ball to Rooney