communication....

[bocayid]

communication between coach and players is the most important issue in a team sport....it sounds bleeding obvious but is something taken for granted...

Players take onboard very little of a long winded coaching talk...they switch off,minds wander...its the same as sitting in a long lecture dropping off...its not unprofessional it's just human...so the coach must be clear and concise...get his or her point across in the shortest most effective way....the whole coaching staff must be a unit themselves,coherent and solid..if they are nervous or unsure then the players will pick up on it...it spreads....fear spreads and make players even at the highest level freeze.

This isn't an anti Ramos thread....Tbh we havn't seen enough to judge..not yet.

But,any foreign coach in a different country needs to master the language quickly and effectively...even using a translator isn't enough,the message gets diluted...how can you translate 'passion' and 'feeling' to players...you can't.

You don't need to jump up and down on the sidelines to be an effective coach...it may look good but doesn't mean you will deliver...calm and collected is fine as long as the message is getting through...

At the minute everything seems confused and disjointed.....and the coaching staff have to take responsibility for that...

I would imagine senor ramos is frustrated at things he wants being 'lost im translation' no matter how accurate that translation...and the players are adjusting to a new way of doing things....

and at the core of it all...even at a big professional club like spurs it comes down to a team of lads playing together wanting to play together and believing in their coach and each other....the money is irrelevant..it really is.

they must be a family...willing to put their bodies on the line for each other and they must believe...otherwise everything else is meaningless.

at the moment that isnt there at spurs....we should give the manager time to build that feeling...we mustn't be tempted to pick the scab just yet no matter how much it itches.....

[berbzy 'G']

communication between coach and players is the most important issue in a team sport....it sounds bleeding obvious but is something taken for granted...

Players take onboard very little of a long winded coaching talk...they switch off,minds wander...its the same as sitting in a long lecture dropping off...its not unprofessional it's just human...so the coach must be clear and concise...get his or her point across in the shortest most effective way....the whole coaching staff must be a unit themselves,coherent and solid..if they are nervous or unsure then the players will pick up on it...it spreads....fear spreads and make players even at the highest level freeze.

This isn't an anti Ramos thread....Tbh we havn't seen enough to judge..not yet.

But,any foreign coach in a different country needs to master the language quickly and effectively...even using a translator isn't enough,the message gets diluted...how can you translate 'passion' and 'feeling' to players...you can't.

You don't need to jump up and down on the sidelines to be an effective coach...it may look good but doesn't mean you will deliver...calm and collected is fine as long as the message is getting through...

At the minute everything seems confused and disjointed.....and the coaching staff have to take responsibility for that...

I would imagine senor ramos is frustrated at things he wants being 'lost im translation' no matter how accurate that translation...and the players are adjusting to a new way of doing things....

and at the core of it all...even at a big professional club like spurs it comes down to a team of lads playing together wanting to play together and believing in their coach and each other....the money is irrelevant..it really is.

they must be a family...willing to put their bodies on the line for each other and they must believe...otherwise everything else is meaningless.

at the moment that isnt there at spurs....we should give the manager time to build that feeling...we mustn't be tempted to pick the scab just yet no matter how much it itches.....

Your correct, communication is important. This is why I said yesterday we need a British manager who has been around the block a few times, Thats when I got told off by choda :cool:
The players are too over confident. Too much quality could be an option, Because if you put the full Spurs line up on a piece of paper and compare it to the likes of Liverpool, Bayern, Milan exc. Then we should actually be better than some of these teams.

[TURKISH]

http://www.topspurs.com/newsnow/thfccol29a0908.htm

If you look around the internet today, there are quite a few people calling for Ramos’ head. Presumably, these are the same people who, from time to time, bemoan the club’s penchant for sacking managers on a regular basis. The reason is that he apparently doesn’t know what he’s doing.

To be fair, I don’t think he does know what he’s doing. He’s trying to find the best way of playing this team of midfielders that has been bought for him, and, for the moment, it’s a case of pinning the tail on the donkey (insert your own Didier Zokora joke) or, perhaps more aptly, throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

Let’s get some perspective here – Ramos is not a bad coach and has the trophy cabinet to prove it. But he’s also not Jesus Christ and he can’t turn water into wine. If you look at the side that got outplayed at Pompey, what’s the difference from the side which got Jol sacked? The answer is not a lot, except it’s missing its five best players in Keane, Berbatov, Defoe, King and Bale, and Assou-Ekotto is playing.

If we’re going to look for scapegoats, the board have got to carry the can. They were the ones that decided on the sporting director formula and the collective responsibility which Ramos shows admirable restraint in sticking to. The point of it was apparently to ensure continuity of playing staff where there wasn’t continuity of management. And yet the result has been quite the opposite.

It’s not that there wasn’t a fair amount of deadwood in the squad. The problem is that they didn’t just sell the deadwood. They sold everyone they could get a good price for. And that doesn’t just include Keane and Berbatov. We would have a stronger squad if we still had Chimbonda and Malbranque.

And then there’s who they bought. The most pressing needs were a goalkeeper, a holding midfielder, a left winger, and a number 10. We got the goalkeeper but the other positions haven’t been filled. Bentley, Modric and Pavlyuchenko have been bought because they were expensive and available, not because they filled positions in the team that needed filling. So it’s no surprise that Ramos doesn’t know what his best XI is, or what his best formation is. He’s got two right wingers, two number 9s, three attacking midfielders, no left winger, no number 10, and a host of inadequate options as a holding midfielder.

Of course, if we still had Keane and Berbatov, everything would be fine. We’d have more options and a strikeforce to boot. At the risk of going over old ground again, whose fault is that? Is it Berbatov’s fault for being a sulky git? Is it Keane’s fault for being a lying toe-rag? Or is it the board’s fault for not sticking to their guns? They could have just said “No means no” rather than “No means everybody has a price and we’re just waiting for someone to meet it”.

It’s probably a little naive to think it was that simple. The problem is one of wages. The reason players want to move is not because they have a dream. Or at least what they are dreaming of is a 50% wage hike, more than anything else. Holding onto your best players doesn’t come cheap, as the wage bills at The Big Four will testify. Or just ask Robinho. Spurs are not going to be able to compete with that until they increase capacity at White Hart Lane, an issue which the board have shown no sign of addressing in the near future. The alternative is to attract a takeover from an energy billionaire, or better still, a consortium of energy billionaires. The problem is that the price that ENIC are asking for is too high. There’s an easy solution to that, namely relegation to the Championship, for which you can still get a very generous 16-1 with Corals.

If you’re looking for omens, Keith Burkinshaw got relegated in his first full season in charge and Spurs bounced back to win three cups!

[jrio]

We heard you the first time. :rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

We heard you the first time. :rolleyes:

LOL I had it on copy and paste and thought why not just add my post total up.:D

[gomessi]

I have heard him speak and his english is easy to understand but he does use a few errrrs.

[bocayid]

Juandes....I accept he can speak english...and this isnt a slur against ramos...or any foreign coach or player...but speaking and 'really' communicating in a language is a very different thing...especially when you want to get a point over quickly....taking time to think what you want to say in your language then translating it in your head or via an interpreter,and then getting it to the players...well the moment is lost.....players maybe reacting to an instruction relating to an incident that has gone....

As for the money issues with players...I accept some are greedy...same as any human being can be...but I actually think the top players have so much money...what they gonna do when they retire sit round ans say,I earned a few grand more than you etc...no I believe that most want to win things..they earn so much it becomes...not unimportant but less of an issue..maybe not too the agents whose interest it may be to unsettle a player,but thats a whole new thread....

Like I said I am NOT anti Ramos or any foreign coaches.....

but I believe at this time at this stage in the clubs 'evolution' we need a real motivator and that comes through actions and effective communication which buils a relationship with players and staff a like...we need to become a club again..a team.

Like em or not Arsenal have that with Wenger..we can make all the jibes we like but not onlt do they play awesome football at times but they look like they enjoy it and they want to play for him...
same at Man Utd....of course both those guys have had the benefit of time which is what we owe any new boss..a chance to mould a team...

But wenger came with an excellent mastering of the language and aside from the english lads he bought in his fellow countrymen he could get his ideas across to all his players himself.....

I think that Jol had the mentality and persona to build a team.....a spirit..but lacked at that time some coaching nouse...ramos has the nouse I think...time wil tell whether he can build a team...that wil stand the tests of time and take this club forward again and I mean really forward...

[Shuggie13]

I think you may of hit the nail on the head boca, it is the one factor that I think no one considered.

If Poyet lead the team talks solely it would add more confusion as the players would think 'who is the real boss here'.

Wenger is evidently an exceptional communicator and motivator (add sweets in pocket joke here). It is evident on the pitch to a certain extent. What is needed also though is a fantastic communicator on the pitch to keep driving that message. This is a must. Looking at Arsenal they have their moments of meltdown, the Gallas incident (Eduardo & Birmingham) is a great example. I honestly can't recall watching a Spurs match and seeing anyone being particularly vocal on the pitch. All the great sides have them.

I think Ramos, Poyet and Woodgate need to sit down and work out an effective strategy to communicate through to the team at all times.