Berbatov to sign for Utd today

[rootman69]

There are numerous reports (on newsnow) and it's plastered across Sky Sports News that today will be the day that he signs. Good ridence I say. Does this now mean that we are going to have to bite the bullet and spend the dow, and take a chance on Andrei Arshavin ??

[SurreySpur]

Yeah it certainly looks like today is the day, i just hope we've got a replacement lined up. Im still convinced that Arshavin will be arriving at the Lane but we'll need at least one more 'proper' striker too.

[wayne wonder]

We're gonna end up with Rasiak and Mido LOL :p

[ItalianSpurs]

What a shit!!!
So we've reinforced Pool and Utd....2 of the 4 we want to replace....well done!!!

[TURKISH]

Arshavin would be a replacement for keano and im thinking militio would be brought in or kanoute as a replacement for berbs.

He can **** off he is a prick the bloke has no class at all he is forgetting we took the gamble on him when sir alex didn't think he was good enough. We will have more points without him imo because we will have a great team spirit.

[TURKISH]

Tottenham will take their summer spending towards the £100million barrier as soon as Dimitar Berbatov packs his bags and heads to Old Trafford. And you know what? They're better off without him.
The moody Bulgarian clearly doesn't want to be at White Hart Lane any more and you can't afford to carry passengers in this day and age, no matter how skilful they are.
His thoughts have been clearly been at Old Trafford throughout pre-season and he will depart with Spurs £28m wealthier in their bank account and showing a healthy profit on the £10.9m they paid Bayer Leverkusen just a couple of years ago.
Berbatov produced many glorious moments during his stay at Spurs - the best arguably the ice cool penalty in the 2-1 Carling Cup victory over Chelsea at Wembley in February.
But now he's gone and Spurs can start planning for a legitimate assault on all four fronts where they can expect to make major impacts this season.
Whether or not the 27-year-old Berba plays a leading role with United remains to be seen but Tottenham can close the chapter on the enjoyable Martin Jol era now and look forward to move to the next level.
It's highly likely they will now move swiftly to bring in Andrei Arshavin and perhaps two more players to conclude an amazing spending spree which has totally transformed the face of the club.
Spurs have already agreed personal terms with Arshavin and can now be expected to find common ground with Zenit St Petersburg after differing on the Euro 2008 star's valuation.
Juande Ramos is unlikely to keep any spare cash sitting in the bank for long, however, as the Londoners still hope to sign versatile Vedran Corluka from Manchester City.
And moves for Sporting Lisbon holding midfielder Miguel Veloso and Real Zaragoza striker Diego Milito could also be on the cards.
Despite the massive outlay, Tottenham will have recouped nearly £70m during a busy summer spent clearing the decks at the Lane.
As well as Berbatov being shipped out to United, Robbie Keane has joined Liverpool, Steed Malbranque, Teemu Tainio and Pascal Chimbonda have gone to Sunderland, Younes Kaboul to Portsmouth and Paul Robinson has joined Blackburn. Spurs also sold Jermain Defoe to Portsmouth in January but despite losing the three strikers who bagged 60 goals between them.
Despite the outgoings it's impossible to argue that Tottenham are anything but infinitely better off with the new campaign just a couple of days away.
The arrivals of Luka Modric, David Bentley and Giovanni Dos Santos have elevated midfield to a new level while Aaron Lennon and Jermaine Jenas can step up a notch or two and won't look out of place alongside that talented trio.
Then there's Tom Huddlestone, Didier Zokora and tenacious terrier Jamie O'Hara who add plenty of strength in depth.
Defence has been significantly strengthened under Ramos with Jonathan Woodgate and Alan Hutton being signed in January to add skill and muscle at the back while Gareth Bale's return from injury is a big bonus.
Spurs look set to play a fluid, attacking passing game with midfielders and full-backs flooding forward to support lone striker Darren Bent.
His rediscovered confidence is as key as Ledley King's fitness in front of new and improved goalkeeper Heurelho Gomes.

[Spaniard]

Signing Veloso, Corluka, Milito and Arshavin is not bad anyway. If Berbatov and Keane fees pay for that, I only miss one more proper striker, but the team will look awesome on paper.

[rootman69]

" Whether or not the 27-year-old Berba plays a leading role with United remains to be seen but Tottenham can close the chapter on the enjoyable Martin Jol era now and look forward to move to the next level. "

God it is the end of Jol's era. Who would of thought it would of only took 8 odd months for Ramos to dismantle that team. I'd say if we had of got the majority of other managers out there, the bulk of Jol's team would still be employed.

Shit it really is revolution happening!

[TURKISH]

" Whether or not the 27-year-old Berba plays a leading role with United remains to be seen but Tottenham can close the chapter on the enjoyable Martin Jol era now and look forward to move to the next level. "

God it is the end of Jol's era. Who would of thought it would of only took 8 odd months for Ramos to dismantle that team. I'd say if we had of got the majority of other managers out there, the bulk of Jol's team would still be employed.

Shit it really is revolution happening!

The problem was ramos wanted keane to stay but was surprised he went. I think overall we are a better outfit we just need to be more solid at the back.

[olly27]

The problem was ramos wanted keane to stay but was surprised he went. I think overall we are a better outfit we just need to be more solid at the back.

Not sure about that really, I have a feeling Ramos didn't mind letting Keane (for a big fee) go as he probably knew Berbra would most likely leave anyway.

Well you could be right, I just think publibly of course Ramos wanted him to stay, however, privately I am not so sure.

Arhsavin will come now.

[Shelfside]

As it has been said before on this forum,Berbatov has been linked with a
transfer for well over a year,so we might as well just accept what we all knew what would happen.The problem for me is that holding out for so long
just to get the maximum money,means that any replacement comes in as the season starts and dosen't get those vital pre-season games to gel in.

[TURKISH]

Not sure about that really, I have a feeling Ramos didn't mind letting Keane (for a big fee) go as he probably knew Berbra would most likely leave anyway.

Well you could be right, I just think publibly of course Ramos wanted him to stay, however, privately I am not so sure.

Arhsavin will come now.

Berba wanted to leave a long time ago but with keane leaving ramos has changed his style of play to a 5 in midfield. If keane would of stayed we would of stayed 442.

I think 20million for keane was too good to turn down especially at his age but keane was allways in his plans, forget the rubbish that ramos allways subbed keane instead of berba, because berba was our only target man and at time we needed him.

[Baleinho]

SSN havent got anything on it :S

Do you think this is creditable? Do you really think this is it?

Bugger. lol.

[olly27]

Berba wanted to leave a long time ago but with keane leaving ramos has changed his style of play to a 5 in midfield. If keane would of stayed we would of stayed 442.

I think 20million for keane was too good to turn down especially at his age but keane was allways in his plans, forget the rubbish that ramos allways subbed keane instead of berba, because berba was our only target man and at time we needed him.

Sometimes I thought Berba brought the best out of the Keane, well you could say they brought the best out of each other as they had an excellent understanding, but if one brought more out than the other..it was Berbatov. To be honest I would prefer the 5 in midfield and Bent up on his own or GDS playing in the whole. I think they were we are going is more effective than having keane staying (with Berba leaving) and playing upfront with Bent in a 4-4-2.

[TURKISH]

Sometimes I thought Berba brought the best out of the Keane, well you could say they brought the best out of each other as they had an excellent understanding, but if one brought more out than the other..it was Berbatov. To be honest I would prefer the 5 in midfield and Bent up on his own or GDS playing in the whole. I think they were we are going is more effective than having keane staying (with Berba leaving) and playing upfront with Bent in a 4-4-2.

I wouldn't agree with berba bringing the best out of keane because keane and bale was the only spurs players untill december that did anything in a spurs shirt. There was no inbetween with dimi but keane was sheer brilliance and berba needed keane as much as keane needed him imo.

Yer i would love a 5 in midfield especially if asrhavin joins because we can easily adapt to other formations. But we need to be more of a unit at the back because we won't score as many goals as we did last season.

[Baleinho]

I have one question.

IF Berbatov was to stay, who can you see him playing with? Benty and Berb didnt really have the same level of understanding than Keane and Berb had- it might be wrong to judge Benty on last season as he played about 7/8 games.

I believe its time for him to go, get a fresh start where he truely wants to be; I dont begrudge him for that.

From our perspective its time to get a fresh start too, a new fresh faced attacker to play alongside Bent would be IDEAL. Lets just hope that all parties can agree terms and were laughing our way to spending over 100million in pre-season :D

[Lilywhite Lad]

I can't believe i'm actually gonna say this, but after all i've said about wanting Berba to stay, i'm actually happy we're finally getting rid and getting some money for him.

Tbh, any person who has made it officially clear they don't want to stay at the club, because they want the glamour of a big four club instead, should not be treated kindly by any Spurs fan, because that in my eyes is betrayal. It was up to the pre-season matches where i was too blind to see that, unlike Keane, Berba switches himself on and off as to whether he'll play, and when he doesn't, it results in a 90 minute sulk for the striker.

This can not be accepted by us or the club anymore, and you know what, let him go to Man U and he'll soon see what a bad mistake he's made, when it won't be the fact he'll be sulking on the pitch, but on the bench, as he looks on at Tevez and Rooney doing the work, and how Spurs will have revolutionised under Ramos and be enjoying a wonder season. Ah well, he had some good times and i thank him for those.:(

[olly27]

I wouldn't agree with berba bringing the best out of keane because keane and bale was the only spurs players untill december that did anything in a spurs shirt. There was no inbetween with dimi but keane was sheer brilliance and berba needed keane as much as keane needed him imo.

Yer i would love a 5 in midfield especially if asrhavin joins because we can easily adapt to other formations. But we need to be more of a unit at the back because we won't score as many goals as we did last season.

Over the course of the last two seasons I would say he would, as he would most likely bring out the best in any stiker partner due to his ability to hold up the ball and use it intelligently. Due to Keane having a good football brain, they were in sync a lot of the time and anticipation came easy to both of them as to what the other intended to do.

Berbatov's hold up play and link up play is the best in the league and possibly the world. keeping him would of been a dream and he would of worked well with most. My point is that Keane doesn't have the same attirbutes as Berba even though they are both very clever footballers. Berba would be a lot more effective, with the right attitude I must point out, with Bent than Keane would. Thats why I think it could all be to our benefit with a new style and system.

I think Keane and Berba were sublime together as their attributes combined perfectly...I think a pratnership of Bent and Keane would not propel us to the top four.

[Baleinho]

Ill be applauding Berbatov when he comes back to the lane: Thanks for the memmories, top quality player; I just wished he would sack his **** of an Agent.

[olly27]

I could be wrong with some of that, of course its hard to claim these things with any conviction buts that my gut feeling.

[TURKISH]

Over the course of the last two seasons I would say he would, as he would most likely bring out the best in any stiker partner due to his ability to hold up the ball and use it intelligently. Due to Keane having a good football brain, they were in sync a lot of the time and anticipation came easy to both of them as to what the other intended to do.

Berbatov's hold up play and link up play is the best in the league and possibly the world. keeping him would of been a dream and he would of worked well with most. My point is that Keane doesn't have the same attirbutes as Berba even though they are both very clever footballers. Berba would be a lot more effective, with the right attitude I must point out, with Bent than Keane would. Thats why I think it could all be to our benefit with a new style and system.

I think Keane and Berba were sublime together as their attributes combined perfectly...I think a pratnership of Bent and Keane would not propel us to the top four.


Can you imagine rooney, tevez, berba and ronaldo playing at the lane next year. I bet berba will ****ing play well in that one!:mad:

My mate said it this on sunday when the fans was signing for berba, "he is not worthy." And imo he is right because the talent he has got he hasn't given half of what he is capable of and when he goes to united he will be hailed as cantona the second coming. At least keane, carrick, sheringham and even campbell gave there all whilst playing at this club unlike berba.

[olly27]

Can you imagine rooney, tevez, berba and ronaldo playing at the lane next year. I bet berba will ****ing play well in that one!:mad:

My mate said it this on sunday when the fans was signing for berba, "he is not worthy." And imo he is right because the talent he has got he hasn't given half of what he is capable of and when he goes to united he will be hailed as cantona the second coming. At least keane, carrick, sheringham and even campbell gave there all whilst playing at this club unlike berba.

When all the attackers are fit I am not sure how Fergie is going to fit him in, or is Tevez going to get less game time? Will Fergie change a winning formula?

Will Rooney be played out of position often, again?

[yid4life]

Berba's gonna be a small fish in a BIG pond at Man Ure, how will he cope with not being the focal point of the team? Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo are bigger and better players IMO.

Its going to interesting to see Berba at utd, will his attitude improve and will his workrate increase? the answer is of course they will, which makes him highly a unprofessional footballer especially when he was getting paid like 50-60k a week.

[wayne wonder]

I'd take berba to old trafford now if we can get corluka, arshavin, veloso and maybe another striker in like militio.................................PLEASE NOT KANOUTE though :D

[wayne wonder]

When all the attackers are fit I am not sure how Fergie is going to fit him in, or is Tevez going to get less game time? Will Fergie change a winning formula?

Will Rooney be played out of position often, again?

i think tevez will be the odd one out!!

[peterc]

We sure seem to have a few ITK'S on this forum, I will believe it when Berba signs for Manure.

[MiloMinderbinder]

We sure seem to have a few ITK'S on this forum, I will believe it when Berba signs for Manure.

Start believing mate. We're better off anyway if he's going ot be a ****. Plus he drops too deep too often to be a lone front runner in Ramos system(although he did give the best performance I've ever seen from any player ever against Bolton a couple of years ago, possible cos he didn't have to look to bring other players in and could be his natrual selfish self).

[yid4life]

Start believing mate. We're better off anyway if he's going ot be a ****. Plus he drops too deep too often to be a lone front runner in Ramos system(although he did give the best performance I've ever seen from any player ever against Bolton a couple of years ago, possible cos he didn't have to look to bring other players in and could be his natrual selfish self).

Have to agree with you, that the best performance by a spurs player I've ever seen. I think we all know what he is capable of, although can he do it week in week out? Who knows, but i think we all know it wont be at Tottenham:(

[choda]

I think we are better off to be honest. I was just hoping he would stay and change his attitude. Not one 'if' but two.

And I don't mean better off as in 'we are taking a step back immediately but in time it will be better'. I don't see anything wrong with Bent as the goalscorer and all this pace and creativity behind, especially if we get Arshavin.

Bent is underated, he will bag loads of goals and he leads the line superbly with his power and pace. It creates spaces for others by a different method and now that his confidence is back he is fine holding the ball up when required.

He is exactly the kind of player that could thrive unbelievably behind so many creators and with the kind of passing and pace we have I think he will be prolific. He's got the pace to keep up and he will be there at the end of these fluent moves and he knows how to put them away.

It's about the team and to be honest Berba is a prick, a total ****ing ****** who swans about and plays when he feels like it. With this team everyone is pulling in the same direction and it is looking so effective as a team and it's not like we lack stars either.

The only irking thing I find is that he will probably play like his first season here at United and win things. I'm not sure he deserves to win anything, he's not an admirable person.

But just to reiterate this is yet again unreal business by Levy he is making a HUGE profit on a player that is going to be on the way down in a few years.

And make no mistake Berba will go down fast, he's a chain smoker who would win olympic gold for his speed at going for the white flag. It's not like he has the professionalism to play to 35 at the top or to adapt when times get rougher. He will just want to retire as soon as anything gets a little tougher.

We do need to get in Milito though as cover. It's lucky he is still available to be honest.

[olly27]

Good post Choda mate...

[berbzy 'G']

I'd like a Berbatov straight swoop for Tevez

[jrio]

We sure seem to have a few ITK'S on this forum, I will believe it when Berba signs for Manure.
Peter, I get the impression you never believe it's tomorrow until you've seen the sunrise. :p

And even then you want official confirmation from the Royal Observatory at Greenwich.

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[nuttyhotspurs]

Ill be applauding Berbatov when he comes back to the lane: Thanks for the memmories, top quality player; I just wished he would sack his **** of an Agent.

thanks for **** all berba u ****. fuk off i say. couldn't disagree more. i hate the guy more and more each day

his attitude is definitely the type that utd DON'T need in their dressing room. as soon as he realises he aint the 'superstar' there and hes left on the bench a few games he will throw his toys out the pram and it'll be buy buy berby! **** OFF back to Germany

[nuttyhotspurs]

I'd like a Berbatov straight swoop for Tevez
im guessing thats a joke??? if not then HELL NO

[jrio]

thanks for **** all berba u ****. fuk off i say. couldn't disagree more. i hate the guy more and more each day

his attitude is definitely the type that utd DON'T need in their dressing room. as soon as he realises he aint the 'superstar' there and hes left on the bench a few games he will throw his toys out the pram and it'll be buy buy berby! **** OFF back to Germany

How about the cool penalty against Cech in the CC Final? That guaranteed the chance to win the game and thus get European football, without which a number of our fancy acquisitions may not have been signed.

[gomessi]

thanks for **** all berba u ****. fuk off i say. couldn't disagree more. i hate the guy more and more each day

his attitude is definitely the type that utd DON'T need in their dressing room. as soon as he realises he aint the 'superstar' there and hes left on the bench a few games he will throw his toys out the pram and it'll be buy buy berby! **** OFF back to Germany

:confused: Berbatov has been great for spurs and we have been great for him. Spurs fans have had the pleasure of watching possibly the best number 10 in the prem + IF SOLD WE GET 15M-20M PROFIT

I wont belive it until is announced on our offical website. I still hope he stays

If he moves on I will applaud him if I have the chance to. Watching berba has been a pleasure (when he is in the mood).

SAD THAT WE ARE SELLING TO OUR RIVALS:mad: :mad:

[nuttyhotspurs]

I still hope he stays

why??? he clearly doesnt want to play for us anymore. why on earth would you want a player with that attitude puttin on a shirt for us? the mind boggles

[nuttyhotspurs]

How about the cool penalty against Cech in the CC Final? That guaranteed the chance to win the game and thus get European football, without which a number of our fancy acquisitions may not have been signed.

fair point jrio. i just think the guys a grade A **** and his attitude stinks

[Ioang]

And the free kick against west ham. He's no specialist free kick taker but you could just see on his face there was no way he was gonna miss that one.

[peterc]

Peter, I get the impression you never believe it's tomorrow until you've seen the sunrise. :p

And even then you want official confirmation from the Royal Observatory at Greenwich.

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Still waiting for the confirmation mate?.:cool:

[Baleinho]

thanks for **** all berba u ****. fuk off i say. couldn't disagree more. i hate the guy more and more each day

his attitude is definitely the type that utd DON'T need in their dressing room. as soon as he realises he aint the 'superstar' there and hes left on the bench a few games he will throw his toys out the pram and it'll be buy buy berby! **** OFF back to Germany

Now hang on a second there.

I recall an interview where he talked about his mentallity and his so called 'sulky' behaviour. He stated that he just plays everything cool and relaxed (except when he ges abit stroppy) what youve got to remember there, is Berbatov isnt a 'Rooney/Keane' levels of passion and determination; If he gets the ball he does something with it; he wont chase the park for the ball but when he gets it he MAKES something happen and thats what he has done for the past 2 seasons. Just having him there as a presence is enough to make teams shit their pants on the basis that he can make something out of nothing.

Its not even his goal scoring record; its his ability and vision to spot the pass; play the ball on to Keane (at the time) for him to slot it home. WHAT you have to remember is that 90% of all this speculation/ 'BERBATOV IS ANTI SPURRRZZZZZZ' is bullshit. Truely is. The only thing that is GENUINE fact is the Levy letter to the spurs fans earlier on in the summer.

If we loose Berbatov we WONT break into the top 4. FACT.

[gomessi]

Now hang on a second there.

I recall an interview where he talked about his mentallity and his so called 'sulky' behaviour. He stated that he just plays everything cool and relaxed (except when he ges abit stroppy) what youve got to remember there, is Berbatov isnt a 'Rooney/Keane' levels of passion and determination; If he gets the ball he does something with it; he wont chase the park for the ball but when he gets it he MAKES something happen and thats what he has done for the past 2 seasons. Just having him there as a presence is enough to make teams shit their pants on the basis that he can make something out of nothing.

Its not even his goal scoring record; its his ability and vision to spot the pass; play the ball on to Keane (at the time) for him to slot it home. WHAT you have to remember is that 90% of all this speculation/ 'BERBATOV IS ANTI SPURRRZZZZZZ' is bullshit. Truely is. The only thing that is GENUINE fact is the Levy letter to the spurs fans earlier on in the summer.

If we loose Berbatov we WONT break into the top 4. FACT.

It's a shame a lot of spurs fans don't realise this.

[choda]

Now hang on a second there.

I recall an interview where he talked about his mentallity and his so called 'sulky' behaviour. He stated that he just plays everything cool and relaxed (except when he ges abit stroppy) what youve got to remember there, is Berbatov isnt a 'Rooney/Keane' levels of passion and determination; If he gets the ball he does something with it; he wont chase the park for the ball but when he gets it he MAKES something happen and thats what he has done for the past 2 seasons. Just having him there as a presence is enough to make teams shit their pants on the basis that he can make something out of nothing.

Its not even his goal scoring record; its his ability and vision to spot the pass; play the ball on to Keane (at the time) for him to slot it home. WHAT you have to remember is that 90% of all this speculation/ 'BERBATOV IS ANTI SPURRRZZZZZZ' is bullshit. Truely is. The only thing that is GENUINE fact is the Levy letter to the spurs fans earlier on in the summer.

If we loose Berbatov we WONT break into the top 4. FACT.

That's not a fact, by any means. The team is shaping up very nicely, has a goalscorer and loads of creativity with or without Berba. I want him to stay, so does everyone, on the proviso that he turns up this year. If he plays like he did to December he can **** off.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Now hang on a second there.

we WONT break into the top 4. FACT.

Fixed it for you.

[Baleinho]

That's not a fact, by any means. The team is shaping up very nicely, has a goalscorer and loads of creativity with or without Berba. I want him to stay, so does everyone, on the proviso that he turns up this year. If he plays like he did to December he can **** off.

But what if we dont get Arshavin and Bents goals dry up? Who do we turn too?

Keeping Berbatov can only be a bonus, provided he has pressure on him to do well.

[choda]

But what if we dont get Arshavin and Bents goals dry up? Who do we turn too?

Keeping Berbatov can only be a bonus, provided he has pressure on him to do well.

If we lose Berba we will sign another striker for sure: Milito or someone like that. I'd love Huntelaar myself.

[MiloMinderbinder]

If we lose Berba we will sign another striker for sure: Milito or someone like that. I'd love Huntelaar myself.

Who saw JKH vs the Scum, two of the sweetest finished you're going to see. Problem is that his approach work makes Defoe's look top class. He only come alive inside and on the cusp of the box.

[olly27]

That's not a fact, by any means. The team is shaping up very nicely, has a goalscorer and loads of creativity with or without Berba. I want him to stay, so does everyone, on the proviso that he turns up this year. If he plays like he did to December he can **** off.

I was going to reply, but I have just read yours - I agree completely, no need to elaborate.

[Ginola's Son]

All I'll say, is I LOVE the fact that we ain't making it easy for the Scot ****er, who thought he'd dangle a few quid in front of us we'd fold. I dare say he'll get what he wants, but at least we made it hard for him.

[Lilywhite Lad]

All I'll say, is I LOVE the fact that we ain't making it easy for the Scot ****er, who thought he'd dangle a few quid in front of us we'd fold. I dare say he'll get what he wants, but at least we made it hard for him.

Hopefully it's stressed him out that much that we've scared him off from future potential swoops for our players.:D :D

[Shelfside]

When Man Utd first made their move for Berbatov,Spurs should have told Berba that Utd want you, do you want to go?.If he said yes then Spurs should tell Man Utd 25 million no negotiations.Dragging this saga out,just prolongs us getting a replacement in time before the window shuts.What if we sell Berba but negotiations break down with Arshavin?.On the other hand, what if we don't sell Berba and we have a player who clearly wanted to leave?.We never got 100% from him anyway and I still think this should have been concluded as swiftly as the keane deal.

[Keanoldinho]

When Man Utd first made their move for Berbatov,Spurs should have told Berba that Utd want you, do you want to go?.If he said yes then Spurs should tell Man Utd 25 million no negotiations.Dragging this saga out,just prolongs us getting a replacement in time before the window shuts.What if we sell Berba but negotiations break down with Arshavin?.On the other hand, what if we don't sell Berba and we have a player who clearly wanted to leave?.We never got 100% from him anyway and I still think this should have been concluded as swiftly as the keane deal.


That's it sorted then fire Comolli and Levy and put you in charge:rolleyes:

[Shelfside]

Why go into the season with this still unresolved?. If Berba stays are we going to go through this shit again next summer?.

[Shuggie13]

Why go into the season with this still unresolved?. If Berba stays are we going to go through this shit again next summer?.

Yes, we will have to. Just like the scum went through it with Viera and Henry every season and will be with Fibreglasss for the next few years.

Welcome to modern football.

[TURKISH]

I hope berba doesn't become a thorn in our side and proves me wrong by putting himself about like he did against bolton.

Man u need a striker badly and im shocked they haven't just bid 30million for him. If tevez can go for 32million than berba should be 35million!

[Shelfside]

Yes, we will have to. Just like the scum went through it with Viera and Henry every season and will be with Fibreglasss for the next few years.

Welcome to modern football.

Yeah fair point shuggie.I don't recall the Carrick transfer being as prolonged as this though.

[peterc]

Yeah fair point shuggie.I don't recall the Carrick transfer being as prolonged as this though.

The diference might be that Jol did not have the power to stop the deal whilst it seems that Ramos is trying his utmost to keep Berba.

[Keanoldinho]

Yeah fair point shuggie.I don't recall the Carrick transfer being as prolonged as this though.



Mate Carrick and Berbatov are 2 totally different players. Carrick is a good holding midfielder who can pass. Berbatov is a football genius capable of scoring 30+ in a season if surrounded by the right players and creating shitloads too.

As long as Ramos still sees Berbatov acting professionally and putting effort into training then why would he want to sell him. The media are abunch of shit stirring ****s. As of right now Berbatov hasn't turned in a transfer request and Ramos has only stated how much he'd like to keep him and how professional he's been acting through out all this.

All these fake "ITK" talk countless ammounts of shite and it's all good fun to read and talk about but you should never talk it as the gospel unless it's coming straight from the mans mouth.

Manure might want him and he most definately wants to play in the CL evey player does but if them manc ****s aren't willing to pay up then he stays end of story. We can't make them pay us the 30+ mil he's worth so I'd be delighted if he stayed.

With the quality he'll be surrounded with this season he'd be in his element big time.

[Shuggie13]

Very true Billy. Carrick just wasn't as high profile and the media had no interest, or a lesser interest. The actual deal did drag out if I recall until Levy got exactly the money he wanted for Carrick.

[gomessi]

Mate Carrick and Berbatov are 2 totally different players. Carrick is a good holding midfielder who can pass. Berbatov is a football genius capable of scoring 30+ in a season if surrounded by the right players and creating shitloads too.

As long as Ramos still sees Berbatov acting professionally and putting effort into training then why would he want to sell him. The media are abunch of shit stirring ****s. As of right now Berbatov hasn't turned in a transfer request and Ramos has only stated how much he'd like to keep him and how professional he's been acting through out all this.

All these fake "ITK" talk countless ammounts of shite and it's all good fun to read and talk about but you should never talk it as the gospel unless it's coming straight from the mans mouth.

Manure might want him and he most definately wants to play in the CL evey player does but if them manc ****s aren't willing to pay up then he stays end of story. We can't make them pay us the 30+ mil he's worth so I'd be delighted if he stayed.

With the quality he'll be surrounded with this season he'd be in his element big time.


Good post mate. I cant believe so many spurs fans are going along with the idea he is being a disruptive influence. Ramos has clearly stated he is working and training well. Hope we keep him but I am worried utd could offer us the £30m and levy would sanction the deal.

I dont want our TOP PLAYERS PLAYING FOR RIVAL CLUBS :mad:

Can you ever imagine fergie selling his players to the scum, chelsea or lpool.

[Shelfside]

Ok maybe Berbatov isn't as disruptive an influence as he is made out to be,but his arsewipe of an agent certainly is.

[peterc]

Ok maybe Berbatov isn't as disruptive an influence as he is made out to be,but his arsewipe of an agent certainly is.

Nothing new mate, we've known this for a while.

[shakey18]

According to those ****s at SSN, Berbatov has put in a formal transfer request.A day before the season starts.Get rid of the ******, along with that prick Danchev.

[peterc]

According to those ****s at SSN, Berbatov has put in a formal transfer request.A day before the season starts.Get rid of the ******, along with that prick Danchev.

Nothing mentioned on Setanta News, Sky Sports have in the past commented such matters that were not accurate, here's for hoping anyway.

[shakey18]

Nothing mentioned on Setanta News, Sky Sports have in the past commented such matters that were not accurate, here's for hoping anyway.

Via The Sun mate.Could be bullshit, but nothing would surprise me.

[gomessi]

Ok maybe Berbatov isn't as disruptive an influence as he is made out to be,but his arsewipe of an agent certainly is.

What do you expect? Berbatovs agent will obviously try to get him a move as it could be his last chance to get a move (27 years old) and so his agent is looking for the money from the transfer.

Slimy arsewipe, maybe but do you really expect him to keep quiet - and if berba wanted to he could sack his agent.

If berba plays well and spurs are flying in the league I bet all spurs fans will think berba is great again and wont question his "passion" or "workrate"

[peterc]

What do you expect? Berbatovs agent will obviously try to get him a move as it could be his last chance to get a move (27 years old) and so his agent is looking for the money from the transfer.

Slimy arsewipe, maybe but do you really expect him to keep quiet - and if berba wanted to he could sack his agent.

If berba plays well and spurs are flying in the league I bet all spurs fans will think berba is great again and wont question his "passion" or "workrate"

100% spot on there mate.

[Shelfside]

What do you expect? Berbatovs agent will obviously try to get him a move as it could be his last chance to get a move (27 years old) and so his agent is looking for the money from the transfer.

Slimy arsewipe, maybe but do you really expect him to keep quiet - and if berba wanted to he could sack his agent.

If berba plays well and spurs are flying in the league I bet all spurs fans will think berba is great again and wont question his "passion" or "workrate"

Fine.We know that is how modern football works.Although if you accept that his agent is perfectly within his rights to broker a move,then the board were equally right to sack Jol in the way they did and break the contract of another teams manager.If it is the modern way of doing business,then it is the way for all parties involved in football,and the fans cannot complain about a player or manager jumping ship for a better offer ,or a manager sacked without a second thought.How many on here will remember their outrage at Jol being sacked if Ramos gets us into the CL or wins another trophy?.Answer? not ****ing one of you.

[gomessi]

Fine.We know that is how modern football works.Although if you accept that his agent is perfectly within his rights to broker a move,then the board were equally right to sack Jol in the way they did and break the contract of another teams manager.If it is the modern way of doing business,then it is the way for all parties involved in football,and the fans cannot complain about a player or manager jumping ship for a better offer ,or a manager sacked without a second thought.How many on here will remember their outrage at Jol being sacked if Ramos gets us into the CL or wins another trophy?.Answer? not ****ing one of you.

I dont complain though. If a player/manager finds a different club as a more attractive option he will try to work for them. Contracts mean nothing (well it ensures you can get a decent fee) and loyalty belongs to a different era.

RE: Jols sacking and ramos being appointed. I was over the moon. Delighted. :D
OK levy made a few mistakes in the way he got appointed but I never believed for 1 minute we would attract a manager of the calibre of ramos.
I take my hat off to levy. :cool:

Would you rather jol was in charge or ramos? we overacheived when jol was in charge -FACT!

If you dont watch spanish football you cant really pass judgement on how good a coach ramos was at seville. I am convinced he can achieve eveb more spectacular results given the results at his disposal.

[Shelfside]

I don't doubt for one moment the calibre of Ramos.In fact if he does take us to the next level, then surely he himself will become a target for a bigger club.So presumably you won't have any complaints if for example, Real Madrid try to get him in a couple of years?.

[yid4life]

Via The Sun mate.Could be bullshit, but nothing would surprise me.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1566117.ece

:confused:

Looking at a few comments by Man Ure supporters, it seems they actually dont want Berba and would prefer a younger player for £30m.

[gomessi]

I don't doubt for one moment the calibre of Ramos.In fact if he does take us to the next level, then surely he himself will become a target for a bigger club.So presumably you won't have any complaints if for example, Real Madrid try to get him in a couple of years?.


I have no problem with real madrid trying to get ramos if he makes us succesful because I am convinced if he makes us into a top team he wont be leaving for another club -FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7551168.stm

"I believe Tottenham is a massive club, and that we can be compared to Manchester United or any of the top four clubs in England.

and

"We feel we can challenge anyone in the country. We are on the right lines."


also if you know what real madrid or the spanish chairmen are like they get rid of managers even faster than they do at leicester city!!!

e.g. valencia have had 3 managers already this year. real madrid sacked capello for winning the league but not in style etc.

Here is an interview ramos gave in august 2007

http://www.juanderamos.com/index.php?s=sec_din/vis_lst.php&nt=noticias_en&cod=39&sel=ms3&hl=en&lst=2

-read the rest of it, it is quite intereting.

So you are saying if you are given the same backing Wenger has received from Arsenal, you can bring the same sort of success to Spurs? Fight with the best

I have no doubt about that. The English model is very much like that and with these conditions I aim to bring success. But it’s not just Tottenham. Any team that has patience and thinks they’ve found the right person to carry out a project like that will achieve results.

Q So how long do you want to stay as manager at White Hart Lane?

I’ve signed a five-year contract, knowing there’s a lot of work ahead of me — beautiful work. Would I like to stay here for a long time? Without a doubt. I would love to finish my five years and sign another one as long as this one. But the most important thing is that the club are satisfied with my work. I don’t like staying at a club just because I have a contract. I want the club to be proud of the work I’m doing. It’s my dream to stay here for many years and I think it’s highly likely. If we are able to improve little by little and fight with the best in the Premier League it will be a dream for all of us and that is what I am working towards.

Q Tottenham have placed tremendous faith in you. That must give you an immense sense of pride and responsibility?

Totally. I hope I will repay the faith of the club with good results but I also think we’re just at the start. There’s a lot left to do and a lot of work awaits us. Little by little, we will try to change the situation and the mentality of the club.

In spain they dont actually rate him as high as they should:

1. del nido thinks he is only a cog in an impressive seville team. Only time will tell if this is true but already you can see seville are not the same team. They didnt win anything, get into the cl.

2. Real madrid didnt appoint him because he is quite simple and dull especially when in front of the press. This may suprise you but this is true. Ramos was known to be shy in front of the press.

In summary ramos is managing in the league he wants (suits his footballing style even more) and he is getting a dizzying contract. Add to the fact that levy gives him more financial backing then all the previuos chairmen he has worked under you have to wonder why he would want to go to real madrid (who would sack him after maximum 3/4/5 seasons even if he won la liga and cl)

[gomessi]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1566117.ece

:confused:

Looking at a few comments by Man Ure supporters, it seems they actually dont want Berba and would prefer a younger player for £30m.

The sun are reporting it so it isn't worth paying attention to. The sun is 90% pure rubbish.

[Shelfside]

I am not going to argue with you about the fact that the spanish clubs/media don't rate Ramos as highly as they should or the fact that Real Madrid sack managers at the drop of a hat,because you are correct.But,If as I said ramos takes us to the next level,then surely that must make the spanish clubs/media reappraise their opinion of him and therefore make him a top target for a bigger club.Again,what if this so called bigger club made him an even more "dizzying" offer than what Tottenham made him?.

[Keanoldinho]

I am not going to argue with you about the fact that the spanish clubs/media don't rate Ramos as highly as they should or the fact that Real Madrid sack managers at the drop of a hat,because you are correct.But,If as I said ramos takes us to the next level,then surely that must make the spanish clubs/media reappraise their opinion of him and therefore make him a top target for a bigger club.Again,what if this so called bigger club made him an even more "dizzying" offer than what Tottenham made him?.



I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore. This thread is about Berbatov not some future Madrid bid for Ramos that will probably never come. Look at Wenger and Ferguson they'll probably never manage another team again who's to say Ramos doesn't turn us into a Euro heavy weight and stay for 10+ years he's travelled alot already learning his trade.

Back to the topic at hand Berbatov is world class and a true professional Ramos said it himself so you can believe it but an article in the Sun or anyother newspaper for that matter with mystery men making quotes is aloada old tosh and should be treated as such.

[Shelfside]

Sorry Billy my last post was a discussion with juandes soldier about how if players and managers can break contracts and move and we accept that as a part of modern football,then we cannot complain.Which is why I said presumably no one could then complain if Ramos takes us to the next level and Real Madrid make their hypothetical bid to lure him away.
Of course you are right about The Sun.It is not a newspaper,its just a headline paper.

[choda]

What do you expect? Berbatovs agent will obviously try to get him a move as it could be his last chance to get a move (27 years old) and so his agent is looking for the money from the transfer.

Slimy arsewipe, maybe but do you really expect him to keep quiet - and if berba wanted to he could sack his agent.

If berba plays well and spurs are flying in the league I bet all spurs fans will think berba is great again and wont question his "passion" or "workrate"

Oh no, I will question it if it is absent again. I thought he was brilliant in his first season. I saw no problems with his work ethic then. People who questioned it then I believe were wrong as it is just his style. But last year I saw a big difference and it was unacceptable really, it was very much a drain on the team actually until December time. After the CC he was non-existent too. It's totally unacceptable however talented he is.

He will get extra leeway given his talent, but there is only so far you can go.

I said the same about Ruud in his final year at United. He was still scoring bags of goals but his hold up play was poor as he wasn't really trying and it was hurting them badly. They were far better off with Saha, who he was dropped for and the team did much better.

[Keanoldinho]

Oh no, I will question it if it is absent again. I thought he was brilliant in his first season. I saw no problems with his work ethic then. People who questioned it then I believe were wrong as it is just his style. But last year I saw a big difference and it was unacceptable really, it was very much a drain on the team actually until December time. After the CC he was non-existent too. It's totally unacceptable however talented he is.

He will get extra leeway given his talent, but there is only so far you can go.

I said the same about Ruud in his final year at United. He was still scoring bags of goals but his hold up play was poor as he wasn't really trying and it was hurting them badly. They were far better off with Saha, who he was dropped for and the team did much better.



Berbatovs stats at Tottenham

06-07 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season

07-08 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season again


He was just as productive last season as his first here

[choda]

Berbatovs stats at Tottenham

06-07 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season

07-08 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season again


He was just as productive last season as his first here

That's bollocks mate and that was the point I was making. He was way below the standards of the first season last year, fact. He may have scored as many, created as many directly, but he was not as good for the overall team, nowhere near. We scored more overall as a team I believe also, which may also be a factor. He also became the penalty taker. It's about more than stats.

I guarantee you if he played like that for United he wouldn't play. It is EXACTLY what happened to Ruud. If you don't see it or don't want to then that is up to you, but it is nailed on. His attitude HAS to be back to the way it was in the first year, believe me he was a far better player in that season.

I'm not saying you drop him or sell him, like some. That would be madness if there is the hope he can be special and he can still contribute a lot even in third gear, like last year. However if he is playing like he did to December again he can **** off and not let the door hit his arse. He was appalling until then, there is no debate about that, it is a fact.

It just shows how talented he is that he could still manage stats like that, which is why we all hope he stays and becomes a true legend.

[Shelfside]

Berbatovs stats at Tottenham

06-07 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season

07-08 season) 23 goals - 11 assists

he scored our 100th goal of the season again


He was just as productive last season as his first here

As you stated in a previous post Berbatov is a genius.But in team games all geniuses need a strong supporting cast.Last year we did not have that and so far we look to have rectified that.If he is to stay then the better quality around him should inspire him to even greater things and then there could be no excuse for a lack of or apparent lack of effort.

[LifeTimeYido]

Ramos was known to be shy in front of the press.

He still is IMO, my thinking is that his English must be on a par with Scolari's and could do more tv interviews but chooses to remain away from it all.

Poyet is taking all the pressure from him, personally i think its a smart move, when we become a threat to the top four Ramos will be seen as workman-like in his approach and immune to Fergie's jibes/mind games when teams get too close to them, thus taking a load of pressure of the team.

[LifeTimeYido]

If our aspirations CL football want to be realised Ramos and co must believe (when Berba goes) we can still remain competitive.

As good as he is, i also believe that if/when he goes we will still be competitive, i also believe that a replacement is waiting in the wings (be it Keane's or Berba's), it may be Arshavin, it may not be, im certainly not placing much in what the "itk" say, i will just wait till its all official.

I think that the main point to all this is that we have to remain positive about a player who really doesnt want to be at the club, may or may not give 100% during matches, who despite his undoubted quality must frustrate all his team-mates as much as they frustrate him, will eventually leave us, and that Ramos is the one to guide us into the top four, with or without him.