Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Middlesbrough

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[berbzy 'G']

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

I think we will just win this one... But the real Spurs before the Carling Cup final would hammer Middlesbrough at WHL 3-0 or 3-1...

[TURKISH]

Berba to score so he can secure his move away from here!!!!!

Im going for a 2.0. Lennon to score.

[highlander]

yep sprs win 2-0, Bent to score

[Chewy]

I'd go with

Robbo
Hutton Woodgate Kaboul Chimbonda
Lennon Jenas Huddlestone Malbranque
Keane Bent

subs: Cerny, Dawson, O'hara, Zokora, berbatov

[deadleyledley]

us two win 2-0.
i would like to see this team take to the field

cerny
hutton woody kaboul lee
lennon tt jj rose
keane bent

[berbzy 'G']

I'd quite happily like to see Kaboul play the rest of the season at CB now, Hopefully he'll sort himself out to the defender he can be by playing more games:

Cerny

Hutton Woodgate Kaboul Chimbonda

Lennon Jenas Zokora Gilberto

Berbatov Keane :cool:

[peterc]

I'm going for a 4-0 win . COYS

[berbzy 'G']

I'm going for a 4-0 win . COYS

Feeling confident :cool:

[gazzaG8]

2-1 Spurs, Keane with both COYS!

[peterc]

Feeling confident :cool:

I feel that they owe it to the fans after that abysmal performance against the barcodes.

[highlander]

Starting XI id like to see:

Cerny
Hutton, Woody, Kaboul, Gunther
Malbranque, Jenas, O'Hara
Bent, Berbs, Keane

Bench: Alnwick, Chimbo, Lennon, Taraabt, Pekhart

[berbzy 'G']

I feel that they owe it to the fans after that abysmal performance against the barcodes.

yeah, about the players pulled there fingers out since the cup final... :o

[olly27]

Am I right in thinking that David Wheater is out for them...if he is, and he's been good for them at the back, we should score quite heavily. 3-1 Spurs....:)

[hodgy]

thinking we are going to bag 5 tomorrow with berbatov getting a hat trick

[wayne wonder]

Oh great this will be another end of season kick about!! :rolleyes:

Im so pissed off after watching the uefa cup games last night how the **** did we not get into the quarters let alone the semi's we'd beat the lot of them

:mad:

[MarlowSpurs]

Oh great this will be another end of season kick about!! :rolleyes:

Im so pissed off after watching the uefa cup games last night how the **** did we not get into the quarters let alone the semi's we'd beat the lot of them

:mad:

I know depressing isn't it

[wayne wonder]

I know depressing isn't it

I thought it was just me mate i mean ****ing hell munich should have lost last night and the rest of the teams aint shit!! We ****ed up big style we would have done the double :mad:


Great goal by mutu by the way did you see it?

[jrio]

Wheater is fit for Boro whilst Robbo is still out(hooray!) and O'Hara doubtful. 2-1 to Spurs.

[berbzy 'G']

Wheater is fit for Boro whilst Robbo is still out(hooray!) and O'Hara doubtful. 2-1 to Spurs.

Thank God O'hara ain't playing, I like him, But why the **** does he 9/10 take our free kicks and corners... He did it at the Newcastle match when Hudd was on the pitch, that didn't make sense... Some bloke next to me was shouting out ''Man Utd have got Ronaldo to take they're free kicks, and we've got O'hara!!!!!!!!!''

[Ioang]

Can't see them scoring, think we'll win 3-0. Just have to keep Alves quiet!

Cerny
Hutton Woodgate Kaboul Chimbonda
Lennon Huddlestone Jenas Malbranque
Bent Keane

[wayne wonder]

Thank God O'hara ain't playing, I like him, But why the **** does he 9/10 take our free kicks and corners... He did it at the Newcastle match when Hudd was on the pitch, that didn't make sense... Some bloke next to me was shouting out ''Man Utd have got Ronaldo to take they're free kicks, and we've got O'hara!!!!!!!!!''

its true but at least he steps up even tho he's shit at set pieces!!

[jrio]

Nearly everyone was shit against Newcastle. O'Hara hadn't been shit in previous games when he took dead balls. I don't normally support players who "love" Spurs but this lad clearly does and has no mean ability. Against Arse and ManU in cup games he gave some very good performances, particularly the former. He's shown enough this season for fans to give him the benefit of the doubt, rather than immediately disparage him when he has a poor game.

[shakey18]

Nearly everyone was shit against Newcastle. O'Hara hadn't been shit in previous games when he took dead balls. I don't normally support players who "love" Spurs but this lad clearly does and has no mean ability. Against Arse and ManU in cup games he gave some very good performances, particularly the former. He's shown enough this season for fans to give him the benefit of the doubt, rather than immediately disparage him when he has a poor game.

Spot on.O'hara has been a massive plus point for me this season.A reserve player who was farmed out to the likes of Millwall, comes back and was instrumental in getting us to the CC Final.He has what some in our squad lack at times.Desire.

[irishspur]

Am I right in thinking that David Wheater is out for them...if he is, and he's been good for them at the back, we should score quite heavily. 3-1 Spurs....:)

Wheater is playin but huth is out.

[\jackdaw]

Everyone played shite against newcastle, cant think of one person redeeming themselves. So its really a bit harsh to give young Jamie stick over that game.

I hope boro dont play like they did agaisnt united the other week or will be a hard game. The players need to go out and prove to the manager they can do it and be in the team for next season so I think we will scrape this 2-1.

[SCIFIN17YID]

Anyone got stream links please, also say what live footy its on thank you.

[peterc]

Anyone got stream links please, also say what live footy its on thank you.


Live footy:

GMT [English Premier League]Tottenham Hotspur - Middlesbrough


Stream #1 OR Stream #2

[\jackdaw]

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sat12.4/Tottenham_Middlesbrough.html

[Chewy]

Team is:

Cerny
Hutton
Dawson
Woodgate
Chimbonda

Lennon
Jenas
Zokora
Malbranque

Berbatov
Keane

subs: Forecast, Tainio, Gilberto, Huddlestone, Bent

[\jackdaw]

Seems the streams I posted earlier arnt up so try here.. 8)

http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.91.swf?embed=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw&loc=/&cid=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw

[irishspur]

Cant get any links to work. If anyone has a working one lets ave it.

[SCIFIN17YID]

Jackdaw tell me which channel I tried on that link 5 and 13 it says the channel is offline :'(

[\jackdaw]

Jackdaw tell me which channel I tried on that link 5 and 13 it says the channel is offline :'(

See my above link.. 8)

[\jackdaw]

FFS .. nearly 1-0 down .. dodgy defending by Chimbo

[irishspur]

Seems the streams I posted earlier arnt up so try here.. 8)

http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.91.swf?embed=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw&loc=/&cid=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw

Nice one mate. got that.

[SCIFIN17YID]

Seems the streams I posted earlier arnt up so try here.. 8)

http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.91.swf?embed=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw&loc=/&cid=nGHzuUoUPc,Z.eUnMFaAkw

Thank you this works, but a bit of crap quality if anyone has alternative links good quality post them, thanks this will do for me :D

[\jackdaw]

Bit short on links today .. been checking all the other sites I know and all seem to be offline.

[irishspur]

go to http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sat12.4/Tottenham_Middlesbrough.html
10 is the new link. if it doesnt load play with windows media player its workin for me. hope this helps.

[\jackdaw]

Cant remember the last 0-0 at the Lane but I'm 100% sure this game wont be one.

[peterc]

Thank you this works, but a bit of crap quality if anyone has alternative links good quality post them, thanks this will do for me :D

Anyone got a better link, it keeps cutting off.

[SCIFIN17YID]

**** sake link is down, some one scored i heard it god knows who though :(

[\jackdaw]

1-0 Lennon ... thought JJ and Berbs had messed it up at first

[hodgy]

lennon with a deflection apparently

[SCIFIN17YID]

w00000000t DM9 scored they are cheering his name w0000000t.

[SCIFIN17YID]

lennon with a deflection apparently

yes a awesome piece of setup from berbatov, then lennon with a deflection leading to a goal. COYS !!!!!!!

[irishspur]

Anyone got a better link, it keeps cutting off.

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sat12.4/Tottenham_Middlesbrough.html
click livefooty 10,if you only get a black screen play in external player.

[\jackdaw]

Berbs, JJ and Lennon playing well today and making plenty chances so I hope we get at least one more. But .. we are letting boro have too many chances by sitting back now we have the lead.. I hope JR makes them come out for at least a 2nd in the next half.

[\jackdaw]

Should of been 2-0 .. drflected onto the post...

Big Tom on for Steed

[SCIFIN17YID]

I think we scored again w000000t.

[\jackdaw]

****ing Downing .. deflected goal .. 1-1

[berbzy 'G']

Thats just completely unlucky, which just about sums up our season in the league... I don't blame any of our players for that...

[MarlowSpurs]

I ****ing hate Downing, useless piece of piss

[berbzy 'G']

THERE ****ING ALL OVER US!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MarlowSpurs]

**** we were lucky

[berbzy 'G']

TOTTENHAM U ****ING USELESS ****S, THIS IS EMBARRISSING!!! :mad:

[MarlowSpurs]

TOTTENHAM U ****ING USELESS ****S, THIS IS EMBARRISSING!!! :mad:

Again.....

[berbzy 'G']

We've Given More Balls Away Than Jd Sports Ffs!!

[mjbmedia]

Again.....
much more often than the previous two seasons anyway ;)

[berbzy 'G']

****ig Useless, Lazy, Overpaid, Good For **** All ****s!!!!

[mjbmedia]

well another two points closer to 12th :rolleyes:

[denis-cro]

Terrible 2nd half performance...terrible substitutions, terrible tactic... I ****ing wait this season to end...

[peterc]

We are crap, that second half looked like we were playing away from the lane, absolute crap.:mad:

[gazzaG8]

Piss poor 2nd half. No shape, no width, no idea

[mjbmedia]

may have escaped your notice but practically all our second half performances have been shit, **** knows who's doing what at the half time team talk but it aint working.

[peterc]

Terrible 2nd half performance...terrible substitutions, terrible tactic... I ****ing wait this season to end...

You were one who always wanted Jol out, you got Ramos, he ain't doing much better in the premiership, is he?, and don't ****ing tell me cos its the players he has, cos they have proved to us that they can perform when they want to. A manager should ensure that his players are well motivated, absolute crap.:mad:

[berbzy 'G']

This season can't finish quick enough for me...

[Ginola's Son]

We just don't care.

Roll on the summer, Ramos needs to ship out the slackers who think a trophy in february, however glorious, means that the remainder of the season is a write-off. The players are wasting the fans money by NOT TRYING. The players are showing Juande just who will survive. It won't be many.

12 points clear of Bolton....12 pts to play for...Our GD I'd say makes us mathematically safe. BUT it could have been worse if the teams below us were better. Since feb 24 we've played like a relegation team.

Not good enough.

[peterc]

We just don't care.

Roll on the summer, Ramos needs to ship out the slackers who think a trophy in february, however glorious, means that the remainder of the season is a write-off. The players are wasting the fans money by NOT TRYING. The players are showing Juande just who will survive. It won't be many.

12 points clear of Bolton....12 pts to play for...Our GD I'd say makes us mathematically safe. BUT it could have been worse if the teams below us were better. Since feb 24 we've played like a relegation team.

Not good enough.

A manager is there to ensure that such performances are not repeated, Senor Ramos has to accept some blame too.

[berbzy 'G']

We just don't care.

Roll on the summer, Ramos needs to ship out the slackers who think a trophy in february, however glorious, means that the remainder of the season is a write-off. The players are wasting the fans money by NOT TRYING. The players are showing Juande just who will survive. It won't be many.

12 points clear of Bolton....12 pts to play for...Our GD I'd say makes us mathematically safe. BUT it could have been worse if the teams below us were better. Since feb 24 we've played like a relegation team.

Not good enough.

good post... It looks like we will just have to suffer the rest of the season out untill the summer... and I bet any money that the players we go for go to other clubs that are interested in them:mad:

[Ginola's Son]

A manager is there to ensure that such performances are not repeated, Senor Ramos has to accept some blame too.

What can he do if the players ignore him? I'm sure he doesn't say 'get out there, play shit and let an average bunch of ****s outplay you'....maybe Gus's translation isn't up to scratch.

good post... It looks like we will just have to suffer the rest of the season out untill the summer... and I bet any money that the players we go for go to other clubs that are interested in them

Woody, JJ, King, Keane, Berba...for me, the only 5 that I'd say were safe.

[mjbmedia]

we got Berbs because we finished a strong 5th two seasons ago, we got Bale and Bent cos we finished 5th again, who are we gonna get after finishing 12th (if we're lucky) ??

[peterc]

What can he do if the players ignore him? I'm sure he doesn't say 'get out there, play shit and let an average bunch of ****s outplay you'....maybe Gus's translation isn't up to scratch.


Take the shit like Jol had to for a start, and admit some blame for their performances, I know that a manager is not playing on the pitch, however, he is responsible to ensure that the team is well motivated.
Woody, JJ, King, Keane, Berba...for me, the only 5 that I'd say were safe.

King - fitness??, Berba- is he staying??, that leaves us with two defs.

[Ginola's Son]

Oh yeah, Bale is safe too, 4got him.

[Ginola's Son]

King - fitness??, Berba- is he staying??, that leaves us with two defs.


King is taking the rest of the season off cos the remaining games are meaningless, he isn't as bad as you thing. Berba is safe from being booted out. We don't WANT him to leave.

[peterc]

King is taking the rest of the season off cos the remaining games are meaningless, he isn't as bad as you thing. Berba is safe from being booted out. We don't WANT him to leave.

GS, we will find out how fit King is next season, bearing in mind he has had continious injuries for the last two seasons. We all know that Berba won't be booted out, however, what makes him want to stay with such LOSERS. I reckon Senor Ramos will have a difficult time trying to persuade top players to come to the Lane with our recent performances.

[Ginola's Son]

He is contributing to us being losers so he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

[denis-cro]

You were one who always wanted Jol out, you got Ramos, he ain't doing much better in the premiership, is he?, and don't ****ing tell me cos its the players he has, cos they have proved to us that they can perform when they want to. A manager should ensure that his players are well motivated, absolute crap.:mad:

Yes I always wanted Jol out, and I still think if he had stayed we would be relegated this season.
As for Ramos, despite he doesn´t impress me with his tactic or substitutions during the last few games, he achieved everything what I wanted after miserable and disgraceful start , and that was Premiership next season !!!! A Silverware is more that I have expected, so it´s a bonus to his reputation. To judge him properly we should wait for next season, it´should be a real test for him, and for his reputation.
As for comments after match, Yes it was bad tactic, bad substitutions, and absolutely disgraceful performance 2nd half, but as I said, to judge Ramos properly we should wait for next season...
As for players, If they need to be extra motivated for a supposedly low-profile games, than they all can **** OFF FROM SPURS IMMEDIATELLY !!! Cause there is no bigger motivation than playing for Spurs shirt and Spurs crowd no matter who we are playing against, or what is the match profile...

[peterc]

He is contributing to us being losers so he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

You say that to the big teams bidding for him once the window opens, do you seriously think that will bother him?. I doubt it.

[Ginola's Son]

You say that to the big teams bidding for him once the window opens, do you seriously think that will bother him?. I doubt it.

Nope.

But I can say it.

As for players, If they need to be extra motivated for a supposedly low-profile games, than they all can **** OFF FROM SPURS IMMEDIATELLY !!! Cause there is no bigger motivation than playing for Spurs shirt

Couldn't agree more.

[peterc]

=denis-cro;85018]Yes I always wanted Jol out, and I still think if he had stayed we would be relegated this season.

Oh you must have a very accurate crystal ball, Ramos has not done any better that Jol in the premeirship, no one can deny that.

As for Ramos, despite he doesn´t impress me with his tactic or substitutions during the last few games, he achieved everything what I wanted after miserable and disgraceful start , and that was Premiership next season !!!! A Silverware is more that I have expected, so it´s a bonus to his reputation. To judge him properly we should wait for next season, it´should be a real test for him, and for his reputation.

Wit his reputation, most of us expected him to manage the team with better results and he has so far failed to do so in the premiership.

As for comments after match, Yes it was bad tactic, bad substitutions, and absolutely disgraceful performance 2nd half, but as I said, to judge Ramos properly we should wait for next season...

I am judging him on this game as well, and he failed yet again, same as against the barcodes.

As for players, If they need to be extra motivated for a supposedly low-profile games, than they all can **** OFF FROM SPURS IMMEDIATELLY !!! Cause there is no bigger motivation than playing for Spurs shirt and Spurs crowd no matter who we are playing against, or what is the match profile...


Players always need to be motivated, sometimes more against lower teams, over confidence can cause embarrassing results, i.e: against barcodes, B'Ham twice and a few others.

[peterc]

Nope.

But I can say it.



Couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately, one does not find those many kind of players no more. It's mostly all about the money.

[TURKISH]

Nothing new things will change next season.

Must say dawson was sensational clearing up woody mistakes.

Midfield was ok lennon is slowly getting back to best form but still struggles to beat last man.

Berba was magic wonder why? (to ensure a big club comes in for him this summer)

Subs, gilberto slotted in nicely. Bent did **** all but midfield lost the battle. Hudd cost us goal in my view so slow in closing down and lost the ball on countless times.


Best bit of the game was when hudd pushed swarze so we got a corner untill ref blew for full time.

Overall 70 minutes we were good but to many fancy flicks and not enough conviction for me. Subs cost us the game.

[berbzy 'G']

Nothing new things will change next season.

Must say dawson was sensational clearing up woody mistakes.

Midfield was ok lennon is slowly getting back to best form but still struggles to beat last man.

Berba was magic wonder why? (to ensure a big club comes in for him this summer)

Subs, gilberto slotted in nicely. Bent did **** all but midfield lost the battle. Hudd cost us goal in my view so slow in closing down and lost the ball on countless times.


Best bit of the game was when hudd pushed swarze so we got a corner untill ref blew for full time.
Overall 70 minutes we were good but to many fancy flicks and not enough conviction for me. Subs cost us the game.

I thought if the Jenas made an effort to rush over and take the corner, the ref wouldnt of blown, lazy bastards! :(

[Chewy]

Berbatov didn't show up the second half... how can you call him magic?

[Indianspur]

Just need a new midfield no creativity or width.
Think downing looked more threatening on his own than our midfield therefore may be sign him and another right winger!
We need a player who can win things on his own sometimes, and downing helps boro do that, so do ronaldo, gerrard, lampard,cahill/arteta petrov etc

[hastingsyid]

****ing lucky to get a point in the end,wtf has happened with us at the lane first the wanky ****ing geordies now boro...**** SAKE

[Ginola's Son]

Just be thankful we weren't annihilated like Newss.

Players always need to be motivated, sometimes more against lower teams, over confidence can cause embarrassing results, i.e: against barcodes, B'Ham twice and a few others.

Well, their lack of motivation might have nothing to do with Ramos. Just their own bored ego's with nothing to play for.

[Spur]

How did we do?

[berbzy 'G']

How did we do?

Apart from not keeping a lead, the players constantly giving the ball away, nobody looked like they gave a shit, Middlesbrough constantly pressing on us.... But apart from that we was excellent!

[wayne wonder]

Same shit different game!! its been like this for the last 3 seasons but we just got lucky when we finished 5th those 2 seasons ina row because every other team were CRAP!!

Im just not interested at the minute everyone reckons oh it'll change next season blah blah ****ing blah we hear it EVERY season until we start being consistent then we're ****ed!

[peterc]

Just be thankful we weren't annihilated like Newss.



Well, their lack of motivation might have nothing to do with Ramos. Just their own bored ego's with nothing to play for.

One would at least expect them to prove their worth for next season and Senor Ramos should ensure that the chosen players are motivated to perform to their best.

[berbzy 'G']

Is it Wigan up next? We'll proberbly lose that, No doubt we will of course go 1-0 up then **** it up...

[TURKISH]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3415485,00.html

Dawson was emmense.

[berbzy 'G']

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3415485,00.html

Dawson was emmense.

If he continues to play like that, We may not need a new CB...

[mjbmedia]

As for Ramos, To judge him properly we should wait for next season, it´should be a real test for him, and for his reputation.
As for players, If they need to be extra motivated for a supposedly low-profile games, than they all can **** OFF FROM SPURS IMMEDIATELLY !!! Cause there is no bigger motivation than playing for Spurs shirt and Spurs crowd no matter who we are playing against, or what is the match profile...
so the players should be motivated else **** off, but the coach can **** up as much as he wants (not saying hes done too much) and we wait til next season for him??? why does he get compassion and time when all hes done is help us win the CC ,hes no history with us , yet the players who get us 5th twice and win the CC can **** off.

i know what you mean really, i just dont agree with it totally .

Spurs, the players and Ramos should be doing things still this season, in earlier games he was doing some weird tactical shit and substitutions and they were coming off and everyone was lining up to suck his cock, i mentioned that they wouldnt work all the time as at the time we were in form and the oppositions we were doing it against were not, and when they dont we'll be found out big time and we have been , Brum, Newcastle, PSV home leg.

I also dont get how others can say we were lucky twice to finish 5th jesus get real you wont get anything in a season for being lucky not in the Premier League, one game of luck yes but over 38 games it isnt lucky to be 5th. Else you can say we were lucky to win the CC (im not saying that by the way) , we played Man C just as they lost form and we were hot, we played the scum reserves just as the whole club lost form and we played Chelsea as they lined up in a mental formation with the wrong players on the pitch, as soon as J Cole came on we were pegged back and held on for the last 20 mins but wed have been unlikely to have held out for 90 mins that way

[TURKISH]

so the players should be motivated else **** off, but the coach can **** up as much as he wants (not saying hes done too much) and we wait til next season for him??? why does he get compassion and time when all hes done is help us win the CC ,hes no history with us , yet the players who get us 5th twice and win the CC can **** off.

i know what you mean really, i just dont agree with it totally .

Spurs, the players and Ramos should be doing things still this season, in earlier games he was doing some weird tactical shit and substitutions and they were coming off and everyone was lining up to suck his cock, i mentioned that they wouldnt work all the time as at the time we were in form and the oppositions we were doing it against were not, and when they dont we'll be found out big time and we have been , Brum, Newcastle, PSV home leg.

I also dont get how others can say we were lucky twice to finish 5th jesus get real you wont get anything in a season for being lucky not in the Premier League, one game of luck yes but over 38 games it isnt lucky to be 5th. Else you can say we were lucky to win the CC (im not saying that by the way) , we played Man C just as they lost form and we were hot, we played the scum reserves just as the whole club lost form and we played Chelsea as they lined up in a mental formation with the wrong players on the pitch, as soon as J Cole came on we were pegged back and held on for the last 20 mins but wed have been unlikely to have held out for 90 mins that way

Stop with the excuses city were shit hot when we played them top 5 and we went there with 10 men and gave them there first defeat of the season (and home)

The scum so called reserves who beat liverpool and when they win are SO GREAT, but when they lose its just reserves and kids. That team who we beat 5.1 cost more than the team we put out and they had players who are squad players who play most weeks.

Chelsea mental formation? They had a full team to pick there only mistake was playing anelka left wing as it were. Thats it, we had chimbonda left back. Surely as terry said they should be able to beat us on a bad day?


What did jol do first 6months? What did ramos do?

Jol got us to two 5th finishes with pre seasons under his belt and players he wanted.

This year is different look at all the teams that have improved have we? Jol won one game in the league before he was sacked and one victory in the cc.

You make good points mjb but most of us said on here that these players let mj down and they will continue to do the same for ramos.

This is getting tirering everytime spurs lose or draw. People expect miracles and our quick to point out his failings as a manager when he has a proven record over time.


I lost count the amount of times jols tactics cost us matches and points but he never even came close to leading us to a trophy.

Martin jol's gone can we move on?

People expect miralces but there forgetting we allready had one the carling cup victory over chelsea at the new wembley.

We never judged mj in his first 6months so i would like the same with ramos.

[wayne wonder]

so the players should be motivated else **** off, but the coach can **** up as much as he wants (not saying hes done too much) and we wait til next season for him??? why does he get compassion and time when all hes done is help us win the CC ,hes no history with us , yet the players who get us 5th twice and win the CC can **** off.

i know what you mean really, i just dont agree with it totally .

Spurs, the players and Ramos should be doing things still this season, in earlier games he was doing some weird tactical shit and substitutions and they were coming off and everyone was lining up to suck his cock, i mentioned that they wouldnt work all the time as at the time we were in form and the oppositions we were doing it against were not, and when they dont we'll be found out big time and we have been , Brum, Newcastle, PSV home leg.

I also dont get how others can say we were lucky twice to finish 5th jesus get real you wont get anything in a season for being lucky not in the Premier League, one game of luck yes but over 38 games it isnt lucky to be 5th. Else you can say we were lucky to win the CC (im not saying that by the way) , we played Man C just as they lost form and we were hot, we played the scum reserves just as the whole club lost form and we played Chelsea as they lined up in a mental formation with the wrong players on the pitch, as soon as J Cole came on we were pegged back and held on for the last 20 mins but wed have been unlikely to have held out for 90 mins that way


Your point is?? yeah we've played shit since the cup win but before the cup we were winning games and i didn't see you moaning then? when we won the cup did you moan then?? then since then you've moaned about ramos just as you moaned about jol (and we all did)yet you're still swooning over the 2 5th place finishes they've come and gone mate. Stop comparing everything to those 2 finishes because they've come and gone . We had a shit start a good middle and a shit end but we ended up with a trophy and considering the way the season started i think thats pretty alright

If 5th is what we should be aiming for why dont we just pack up now and all **** off! when i said we were lucky to finish 5th i meant the other teams were just shit i mean look at this season every team above us have strengthened and been better than us hmmm go figure!!

Next season i want us chalenging the big 4 never mind finishing 5th because we can do that if we get the start that we all cravve and deserve and a good middle and end of season and hey we might win a cup! Take the season for what it is a very very strange one but would u have it any other way ??

[wayne wonder]

By the way i love u all still :p and i think jol should come back so we can finish 5th again

[berbzy 'G']

so the players should be motivated else **** off, but the coach can **** up as much as he wants (not saying hes done too much) and we wait til next season for him??? why does he get compassion and time when all hes done is help us win the CC ,hes no history with us , yet the players who get us 5th twice and win the CC can **** off.

i know what you mean really, i just dont agree with it totally .

Spurs, the players and Ramos should be doing things still this season, in earlier games he was doing some weird tactical shit and substitutions and they were coming off and everyone was lining up to suck his cock, i mentioned that they wouldnt work all the time as at the time we were in form and the oppositions we were doing it against were not, and when they dont we'll be found out big time and we have been , Brum, Newcastle, PSV home leg.

I also dont get how others can say we were lucky twice to finish 5th jesus get real you wont get anything in a season for being lucky not in the Premier League, one game of luck yes but over 38 games it isnt lucky to be 5th. Else you can say we were lucky to win the CC (im not saying that by the way) , we played Man C just as they lost form and we were hot, we played the scum reserves just as the whole club lost form and we played Chelsea as they lined up in a mental formation with the wrong players on the pitch, as soon as J Cole came on we were pegged back and held on for the last 20 mins but wed have been unlikely to have held out for 90 mins that way

I'm sorry but I disagree with you... We was in a terrible state before Ramos took over, we were 3rd from bottom for 4 or 5 games... When Levy contacted Ramos, At the time we just wanted him to basically save our arses from relegation... When he took over, he had to put up with the players that were already here throughout the season, Even though there was the January transfer window as a chance to bring the players in that he wanted exactly, but Ramos said we must save this season, and get the players that we really need and kick out the players that we really have too in the summer...

We can certainly blame him if Ramos ****s up next season, cos then we can say he's had his chance to bring in the players he wanted in the summer, we can say he has had time to get the players fit for the start of the season...

Oh, and by the way, we didn't play Arsenals reserves... Fabregas played almost the whole game, Gallas did too, and we were still putting goals past Arsenal even when Adebayor was on the pitch...

[shakey18]

What a load of bollocks.Ramos is simply giving the players enough rope and believe me, they're hanging themselves.All this "..Ramos should be motivating them.." shit is wank.As professionals, they shouldn't need motivating. We are safe, in europe, and under Ramos' reign, we've already achieved more than he thought he would in his first few months in the job.Because of that he now has the luxury of planning next seasons campaign early.We, as fans, are pissed right off with the results, but let's not confuse poor tactics with forward planning.The players are shooting themselves in the foot, not the management team.

[peterc]

What a load of bollocks.Ramos is simply giving the players enough rope and believe me, they're hanging themselves.All this "..Ramos should be motivating them.." shit is wank.As professionals, they shouldn't need motivating. We are safe, in europe, and under Ramos' reign, we've already achieved more than he thought he would in his first few months in the job.Because of that he now has the luxury of planning next seasons campaign early.We, as fans, are pissed right off with the results, but let's not confuse poor tactics with forward planning.The players are shooting themselves in the foot, not the management team.


A manager is there to manage and management does involve motivation so maybe wanking does not really apply.:p. Yes Senor Ramos managed us to a CC trophy, however, we all expected him to manage us better in the premiership as well. Certain subs used and certain tactical decisions have also been a reason to the abysmal results we have had, some of us might have expected things to happen so quickly, however, a complete clearout will only send us a step backwards, it will take at least another season for the team to regroup and I'm sure that most of us want to have a much better start to next season than to the one we just experienced this season.

[berbzy 'G']

A manager is there to manage and management does involve motivation so maybe wanking does not really apply.:p. Yes Senor Ramos managed us to a CC trpohy, however, we all expected him to manange us better in the premiership as well. Certain subs used and certain tactical decisions have also been a reason to the abysmal results we have had, some of us might have expected things to happen so quickly, however, a complete clearout will only send us a step backwards, it will take at least another season for the team to regroup and I'm sure that most of us want to have a much better start to next season than to the one we just experienced this season.

I agree with you on the fact that we don't have a complete clear out, because it will take us a step-backwards, and the talent is already within 50% of our players, I just hope next season they show it more...and the ones that dont do **** all should be on there bike...

[shakey18]

When did i mention a "complete clear-out"?.Nothing to do with a "complete clear-out" Peter.All we need to do is ditch the shit that congregates around our midfield area, thats where the tempo is controlled.Players aren't little kids who need to be told to try by the boss.Like i said, Ramos, IMO, is simply seeing who has the moral fibre to play for one of his teams.

[peterc]

Nothing to do with a "complete clear-out" Peter.All we need to do is ditch the shit that congregates around our midfield area, thats where the tempo is controlled.Players aren't little kids who need to be told to try by the boss.Like i said, Ramos, IMO, is simply seeing who has the moral fibre to play for one of his teams.

JJ, could be a decent midfielder, unfortunately, its the service and backup that lets him down, a couple of additions in that area should stabilise the squad, adding a GK and and left winger.

[shakey18]

JJ, could be a decent midfielder, unfortunately, its the service and backup that lets him down, a couple of additions in that area should stabilise the squad, adding a GK and and left winger.

I don't recall mentioning JJ by name.It's well documented that you are a JJ fan, but in terms of service, he is one of those who's job it is to provide the service.Today he showed with his run through the middle after Robbie's back heal, what he can do.He just doesn't deliver enough however.

[peterc]

I don't recall mentioning JJ by name.It's well documented that you are a JJ fan, but in terms of service, he is one of those who's job it is to provide the service.Today he showed with his run through the middle after Robbie's back heal, what he can do.He just doesn't deliver enough however.


How can he provide the required service if JJ is constantly trying to chase the opposition because the other midlfielders are not closing them down as they should. JJ can't be in two places in one go and thats why the other midlfielders let him down.

[shakey18]

How can he provide the required service if JJ is constantly trying to chase the opposition because the other midlfielders are not closing them down as they should. JJ can't be in two places in one go and thats why the other midlfielders let him down.


When has that occured?!.:rolleyes:

[peterc]

When has that occured?!.:rolleyes:

Obviously we have been watching different games then.:rolleyes:

P.S: Who said I was A JJ fan?, I support the whole team and not individual players. I just don't think its fair for him to be slagged off permanently, when he is not the only player who has not perfomed consistently throughout the season.

[shakey18]

Obviously we have been watching different games then.:rolleyes:

Well come on then, tell me when he has been chasing down the opposition SO much, that his ability to pass and deliver set-pieces has been affected.That's another thing with him. He CAN chase down all day, but doesn't choose to.JJ "Can" do it all.He just chooses not to most of the time.

[peterc]

Well come on then, tell me when he has been chasing down the opposition SO much, that his ability to pass and deliver set-pieces has been affected.That's another thing with him. He CAN chase down all day, but doesn't choose to.JJ "Can" do it all.He just chooses not to most of the time.


JJ's working rate is second to none, and if you state that his performance does not merit him some positive comments, obviously' it would be useless discussing it with your negative approach towards him, I suggest you keep to your opinions and I keep to mine, we seem to differ on most things, so lets keep it that way.

[shakey18]

JJ's working rate is second to none, and if you state that his performance does not merit him some positive comments, obviously' it would be useless discussing it with your negative approach towards him, I suggest you keep to your opinions and I keep to mine, we seem to differ on most things, so lets keep it that way.

I think JJ has the POTENTIAL to be the complete midfielder.He doesn't deliver on a regular basis.I want him to succeed because if he does, Tottenham will benefit.To say his workrate is "...second to none..." is both blinkered and incorrect.He chooses when to bust a gut and when not to.Remember the CC Final, when in the 119th minute, he went on a gut - busting run up the wing which resulted in a throw to us.That simply is proof that he has the engine, but it's parked in the garage for most of the time.I'd LOVE for you to come out next season and slag us all off for doubting him because he is having a brilliant season.If he could reach 70% of his potential, we'd be in business.

[peterc]

I think JJ has the POTENTIAL to be the complete midfielder.He doesn't deliver on a regular basis.I want him to succeed because if he does, Tottenham will benefit.To say his workrate is "...second to none..." is both blinkered and incorrect.He chooses when to bust a gut and when not to.Remember the CC Final, when in the 119th minute, he went on a gut - busting run up the wing which resulted in a throw to us.That simply is proof that he has the engine, but it's parked in the garage for most of the time.I'd LOVE for you to come out next season and slag us all off for doubting him because he is having a brilliant season.If he could reach 70% of his potential, we'd be in business.

Might be your opinion, but not everyones. A forum is for all opinions and mine is definitely very different to yours.

[mjbmedia]

JJ "Can" do it all.He just chooses not to most of the time.
you realise you can also substitute JJ's name for Ramos there dont you, if i am to believe half the reasonings on this forum, Ramos is choosing not to do it all at the moment,
well id like him to 'do it all' every game cos with his experience and previously proven ability, he should be able to do more and therefore so should the players playing under him, irrespective of who bought them, when you become a manager at any new place (club or company) you have to work with what youve got at first and get some decent consistency out of them, we dont have consistency or not in a good way anyway as Olly said recently 'we are consisently inconsistent' and that shouldnt be happening with the squad we have and the quality of coach, and it didnt happen last season to anywhere near the extent its happening this season, so the players maybe to blame but they proved last season that theyre not as bad as they are this season. The UEFA games were total gobshite compared to how well we played last season in it, so maybe theyre not performing for Ramos , is it communication issues? our second half performances semm to suggest thats a possibility, is it attitude, now theyve won something they believe theyre invincible :o us fans were told that after the CC win that we were gonna go on from that with a new sense of winning mentality and confidence, well **** me i have been amazingly impressed with this new ethos, weve gone storming up the table playing scinitillating stuff slaughtering teams such as Birmingham ,Newcastle and Boro along the way , oops no sorry thats what we were led to believe would happen, instead weve played crap , lost games weakly and looked clueless and incapable of scoring more than one goal a game whilst still conceding.

The odd game in 5 things click and we do well , maybe thats enough for some fans, not for me, Spurs are at the moment living on the memory of winning the CC final , like Jol and two 5ths, thats long gone, thankfully its got us UEFA again , i dont give a monkeys whose running the side, i want a damn sight more than im getting from Spurs at the moment.

As wayne said earlier somethign along the lines of he doesnt want to wait for next season cos thats what is always said at Spurs, i dont see any proof that it will be much better at WHL next season unless people expect new signings to bed in quickly ,adapt to the EPL and we start off in the top 4 after 5 games, if thats so then wed best be buying sharpish so they can join us as soon as they can so we get maximum pre season with them following any participation in the UEFA championships.

[jrio]

..we played Man C just as they lost form and we were hot, we played the scum reserves just as the whole club lost form and we played Chelsea as they lined up in a mental formation with the wrong players on the pitch, as soon as J Cole came on we were pegged back and held on for the last 20 mins but wed have been unlikely to have held out for 90 mins that way
Wrong. City's results after that defeat:

Aston Villa 1-1 Man City
Man City 2-2 Blackburn
Man City 0-0 Liverpool
Newcastle 0-2 Man City
West Ham 0-0 Man City(FAC)
Everton 1-0 Man City
Man City 1-0 West Ham(FAC replay)

After losing to us Arsenal beat Toon 3-0 twice at home, City 3-1 away, Blackburn 2-0 at home, before giving Utd a 4 nil home win and then going to Milan and destroying them.

[Ginola's Son]

The bottom line is that the PLAYERS aren't up for it, then there isn't much Ramos can do other then threaten them with being sold. I don't blame the manager for the players morale, I blame him for poor tactics Vs Birmingham and Newcastle. That's it.

[peterc]

The bottom line is that the PLAYERS aren't up for it, then there isn't much Ramos can do other then threaten them with being sold. I don't blame the manager for the players morale, I blame him for poor tactics Vs Birmingham and Newcastle. That's it.

I would also include M'boro playing a 4-3-3 formation that did not quite work.

[jrio]

The bottom line is that the PLAYERS aren't up for it, then there isn't much Ramos can do other then threaten them with being sold. I don't blame the manager for the players morale, I blame him for poor tactics Vs Birmingham and Newcastle. That's it.
The biggest threat for a player is not having a chance to play in the first team. Most of these players won't be sold by Ramos - if they were he wouldn't pick them to start - the problem is with Ramos realising that we have nothing to aim for and concentrating on next season. As fans we are desperate to finish above Wham and not below Toon. These desires don't reverberate with Ramos. Ramos has fulfilled his task: Spurs in Europe, won a trophy and with the January transfers, the early basis of a side that he wants to build in his image. He wants to be judged on a full season. In comparison, MJ finished 9th after taking over and in the last 12 games only took 16 points from the last 11 games. He also had the advantage of being part of the club and being a fluent English speaker.

[mjbmedia]

Wrong. City's results after that defeat:

Aston Villa 1-1 Man City
Man City 2-2 Blackburn
Man City 0-0 Liverpool
Newcastle 0-2 Man City
West Ham 0-0 Man City(FAC)
Everton 1-0 Man City
Man City 1-0 West Ham(FAC replay)

After losing to us Arsenal beat Toon 3-0 twice at home, City 3-1 away, Blackburn 2-0 at home, before giving Utd a 4 nil home win and then going to Milan and destroying them.
thankyou for proving me wrong, you swine ;)

tho before our game i think youll find Man C were winning nearly every game and certainly playing better than they did .

Really i just want more from the team in the run in, we had a chance to finish top 10 , whooppee doo , even thats gone really and now we're hoping for top 13!!!

Next season is next season, it should be good, but then we've been there before tho not with such a great coach and financial clout, the players are available all week for training now, lets hope we're working on things for next season already, preferably the passing and moving aspects that Man U do so well :cool:

[mjbmedia]

the problem is with Ramos realising that we have nothing to aim for and concentrating on next season. As fans we are desperate to finish above Wham and not below Toon. These desires don't reverberate with Ramos. Ramos has fulfilled his task: Spurs in Europe, won a trophy and with the January transfers, the early basis of a side that he wants to build in his image. He wants to be judged on a full season. .
Agreed, we want that this season ideally (above Wham and Geordies) just cos most fans like some purpose to their support at matches, but we'd swap it for a blinding season next season , i guess theyve been so many false dawns for spurs over the last 30 years we nearly stop believing.

[wayne wonder]

We're in the posistion at the moment where we should be looking on things to implement for next season and if not WHY NOT! Too many false dawns down at the lane nearly 30 years of it the last manager to actually nearly get to the promise land is Burkinshaw what i wouldn't give for those days again lol.

Watching the likes of the top 4 over the weekend they have something that we dont really have all over the pitch especially up top and thats PACE something i hope we rectify in the summer i dont want anyone leaving apart from stalteri, gardner and im sure lee and tt will go the rest can stay and if we bring in 3/4 players bed them in nicely who knows eh?


We need to make the lane a fotress again and to be a really good side we need to win at least 8 games away a minimum there's a lot of if's but lets hope the pundits dont talk us up because we always fail when they do.

We all expect a lot from spurs and rightly so because we pay some serious money to watch that dross at the moment and its not fair on the fans SO lets have an injury free pre season and get the players we need and not just to sell shirts( add whatever name u want here) COYS!

[peterc]

We're in the posistion at the moment where we should be looking on things to implement for next season and if not WHY NOT! Too many false dawns down at the lane nearly 30 years of it the last manager to actually nearly get to the promise land is Burkinshaw what i wouldn't give for those days again lol.

Watching the likes of the top 4 over the weekend they have something that we dont really have all over the pitch especially up top and thats PACE something i hope we rectify in the summer i dont want anyone leaving apart from stalteri, gardner and im sure lee and tt will go the rest can stay and if we bring in 3/4 players bed them in nicely who knows eh?


We need to make the lane a fotress again and to be a really good side we need to win at least 8 games away a minimum there's a lot of if's but lets hope the pundits dont talk us up because we always fail when they do.

We all expect a lot from spurs and rightly so because we pay some serious money to watch that dross at the moment and its not fair on the fans SO lets have an injury free pre season and get the players we need and not just to sell shirts( add whatever name u want here) COYS!

Spot on WW, could not have described the present situation better.

[wayne wonder]

Spot on WW, could not have described the present situation better.

its true mate if we as fans can see it surely the management team and chairman can see it?? there's a lot of poison that needs to be taken out of the club we have to reclaim the club as ours asap!

[peterc]

its true mate if we as fans can see it surely the management team and chairman can see it?? there's a lot of poison that needs to be taken out of the club we have to reclaim the club as ours asap!

A name of a certain Comolli springs to mind, the sooner he goes, the better.

[wayne wonder]

A name of a certain Comolli springs to mind, the sooner he goes, the better.

It might be him it might be levy we'l never know mate!! one man cant carry that much clout but he's bought his "man" in now so lets see if he sticks by him or leaves him to sink

We used to be a big club but at the min we're nowhere near that and i dont care what people say we cant justify that tag at the moment. I want teams to fear coming to the lane thinking **** we're not gonna egt much here or when we go away to the small teams as such thyey expect to get rolled over and when we go t the big 4 they treat us with respect and say **** this game will be way harder than we expected. We should always aim higher than 5th, 4th and thats our downfall we're happy with 4th/5th **** that i want more and i want all the cups

[peterc]

It might be him it might be levy we'l never know mate!! one man cant carry that much clout but he's bought his "man" in now so lets see if he sticks by him or leaves him to sink

We used to be a big club but at the min we're nowhere near that and i dont care what people say we cant justify that tag at the moment. I want teams to fear coming to the lane thinking **** we're not gonna egt much here or when we go away to the small teams as such thyey expect to get rolled over and when we go t the big 4 they treat us with respect and say **** this game will be way harder than we expected. We should always aim higher than 5th, 4th and thats our downfall we're happy with 4th/5th **** that i want more and i want all the cups

As one would say back to basics, always aim at who is higher than you and not who is the same level or worse.

[wayne wonder]

As one would say back to basics, always aim at who is higher than you and not who is the same level or worse.

EXACTLY! this season was just a damage limitation thats totally become christian gross mediocre next season there's no excuses for anyone i just hope we give it a god damn good go thats all i expect i dont expect it all at once but next season is major for not just ramos but the team because if we fail the lot will be sold hence the reason commoli and levy like the younger playesr because they have a re sale value

[peterc]

EXACTLY! this season was just a damage limitation thats totally become christian gross mediocre next season there's no excuses for anyone i just hope we give it a god damn good go thats all i expect i dont expect it all at once but next season is major for not just ramos but the team because if we fail the lot will be sold hence the reason commoli and levy like the younger playesr because they have a re sale value



Next season has to be "a do or die season", as you correctly said. NO EXCUSES

[Spur]

A name of a certain Comolli springs to mind, the sooner he goes, the better.

Yea definately.

What a bastard he is bringing in one of the best coaches in the world. Comolli your a ****!

[peterc]

Yea definately.

What a bastard he is bringing in one of the best coaches in the world. Comolli your a ****!

Still waiting to see that in the premiership. Great to win the CC, however, one would expect him to guide us to a better position in the league.

[Spur]

Still waiting to see that in the premiership. Great to win the CC, however, one would expect him to guide us to a better position in the league.

One expects it.

[mjbmedia]

one demands it, certainly next season

[wayne wonder]

Anyone ever watched eurogoals on eurosport?

I was just watching it now and some dutch team were on god knows and this winger scored then the cheekys **** commentator goes oh spurs are after him then again they want anyone with a left foot hahahaha ****er

[jrio]

Yea definately.

What a bastard he is bringing in one of the best coaches in the world. Comolli your a ****!
Such a visionary appointment. I won't repeat the obvious points regarding Ramos's recent successes that even a mole man would be aware of. Suffice to say Arnesen's recommendation of Jol is something I'd regard as real insight (naturally rejected by Levy), and that transfers under DC appear to lack any kind of insight or strategy.

[Spur]

Such a visionary appointment. I won't repeat the obvious points regarding Ramos's recent successes that even a mole man would be aware of. Suffice to say Arnesen's recommendation of Jol is something I'd regard as real insight (naturally rejected by Levy), and that transfers under DC appear to lack any kind of insight or strategy.

I'm not defending him, simple point was he brought that manager to the Lane.

His place within the Club is certainly questionable, but results will be based on how much success we have. After an initial bad start things have turned around...

[olly27]

Very interesting read - this thread. I expect more of the same at the weekend too...Wigan away, terrible pitch with stubborn oppossition. Will we be up for the battle?, probably not but then again we may win 0-3! Anyway if we could finish 10th I would be happy but at the end of the day its next season that counts. Our pre-season will be crucial, the players need to be in the right shape for a good start to the season. I think the first 6-10 games next season could be the most important period for quite a while. We simply cannot afford a sub-standard start or worse. A bad start and the post mortems will start in earnest. A good start could provide the platform for the best season in years. Old cliche 'winning breeds confidence'...its infectious etc..I really do think it will be pivitol and I will be really nervous come August!

Ramos has done fantastically well to deliver a trophy after 4 months at a new club and in a new country. He's learning about the footballing culture here, the different style of football and many other things. To be honest I hate seeing us not win any game of football, but I understand Ramos is on a steep learning curve regarding english football. Personally, I will afford him latitude for the rest of the season, he's earned it, and hope what he's learning now and insofar is applied next season - which I fully expect it will be.

[mjbmedia]

Ramos has done fantastically well to deliver a trophy after 4 months at a new club and in a new country. He's learning about the footballing culture here, the different style of football and many other things. To be honest I hate seeing us not win any game of football, but I understand Ramos is on a steep learning curve regarding english football. Personally, I will afford him latitude for the rest of the season, he's earned it, and hope what he's learning now and insofar is applied next season - which I fully expect it will be.
excellent paragraph sir, agree a million percent

[olly27]

excellent paragraph sir, agree a million percent

Cheers MJB, glad someone agrees! :)

[TURKISH]

Very interesting read - this thread. I expect more of the same at the weekend too...Wigan away, terrible pitch with stubborn oppossition. Will we be up for the battle?, probably not but then again we may win 0-3! Anyway if we could finish 10th I would be happy but at the end of the day its next season that counts. Our pre-season will be crucial, the players need to be in the right shape for a good start to the season. I think the first 6-10 games next season could be the most important period for quite a while. We simply cannot afford a sub-standard start or worse. A bad start and the post mortems will start in earnest. A good start could provide the platform for the best season in years. Old cliche 'winning breeds confidence'...its infectious etc..I really do think it will be pivitol and I will be really nervous come August!

Ramos has done fantastically well to deliver a trophy after 4 months at a new club and in a new country. He's learning about the footballing culture here, the different style of football and many other things. To be honest I hate seeing us not win any game of football, but I understand Ramos is on a steep learning curve regarding english football. Personally, I will afford him latitude for the rest of the season, he's earned it, and hope what he's learning now and insofar is applied next season - which I fully expect it will be.


Spot on just what ive been trying to say! But just couldn't.:confused:

[singapore spur]

yup , good post sums it up

[MiloMinderbinder]

Good grief people.

Can't you see what is going on?

Ramos has been given license to expirment in proper games rather than pre-season friendlies against part time opposition. We start the first half in our usual formation and fashion before changing our style and/or formation early in the 2nd half. Not only does that give Ramos the insight into what will and what wont work in England but also gives the players experience of playing different styles and positions to their norm.

In addition, it's all very well seeing what players will do when their is something to win/lose, it says a lot more about their attitude as professionals when there is nothing on the line. Hunger and desire should be ever present, not just there for cup finals, this should provide Ramos with the ammunition to end some of the players Spurs careers. Best example of this a certain A. Lennon, utter utter shite until he realises his career at the club is on the slide and Ramos would have no qualms booting him out, too little too late?

[olly27]

Good grief people.

Can't you see what is going on?

Ramos has been given license to expirment in proper games rather than pre-season friendlies against part time opposition. We start the first half in our usual formation and fashion before changing our style and/or formation early in the 2nd half. Not only does that give Ramos the insight into what will and what wont work in England but also gives the players experience of playing different styles and positions to their norm.

In addition, it's all very well seeing what players will do when their is something to win/lose, it says a lot more about their attitude as professionals when there is nothing on the line. Hunger and desire should be ever present, not just there for cup finals, this should provide Ramos with the ammunition to end some of the players Spurs careers. Best example of this a certain A. Lennon, utter utter shite until he realises his career at the club is on the slide and Ramos would have no qualms booting him out, too little too late?

Exactly KK - that was my point. Trial and error is all part of the learning process.

[wayne wonder]

Good grief people.

Can't you see what is going on?

Ramos has been given license to expirment in proper games rather than pre-season friendlies against part time opposition. We start the first half in our usual formation and fashion before changing our style and/or formation early in the 2nd half. Not only does that give Ramos the insight into what will and what wont work in England but also gives the players experience of playing different styles and positions to their norm.

In addition, it's all very well seeing what players will do when their is something to win/lose, it says a lot more about their attitude as professionals when there is nothing on the line. Hunger and desire should be ever present, not just there for cup finals, this should provide Ramos with the ammunition to end some of the players Spurs careers. Best example of this a certain A. Lennon, utter utter shite until he realises his career at the club is on the slide and Ramos would have no qualms booting him out, too little too late?


Alright alright gus poyet calm down haha he goes away for a few weeks and comes back like he runs the place:rolleyes: how you doing son??

[peterc]

Exactly KK - that was my point. Trial and error is all part of the learning process.

Fair enough, but not very fair for those supporters spending alot of their money going to watch their experimented team losing to the likes of B'Ham x2, Barcodes and throwing away points against B'Burn and M'Boro, I feel sorry for those supporters who are being ripped of their hard earned money.

[olly27]

Fair enough, but not very fair for those supporters spending alot of their money going to watch their experimented team losing to the likes of B'Ham x2, Barcodes and throwing away points against B'Burn and M'Boro, I feel sorry for those supporters who are being ripped of their hard earned money.

Indeed...but look at the bigger picture - next season.

[peterc]

Indeed...but look at the bigger picture - next season.


I will wait for next season, however, many of us will be demanding and not expecting a bigger and much more brighter picture.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Alright alright gus poyet calm down haha he goes away for a few weeks and comes back like he runs the place:rolleyes: how you doing son??

Oh yeah, Billy Big Bollocks is back :D Have you guys missed me and my patented brand of obscure humour coupled with vitriolic diatribes against whatever takes my fancy?

We've been pretty toss since I was last on here, but I can't say I really give much mind to recent results, as olly and I have been saying all we're doing now is having an extended pre-season.

[Ginola's Son]

Peter is 100% ****ing right. You don't pay £40 (at LEAST) to see your team 'experiment' that is unacceptable. The team owes it to the fans to play their best, they aren't doing that. Ramos is not happy about that and it isn't pretending that 'experimenting' is the excuse.

[wayne wonder]

Oh yeah, Billy Big Bollocks is back :D Have you guys missed me and my patented brand of obscure humour coupled with vitriolic diatribes against whatever takes my fancy?

We've been pretty toss since I was last on here, but I can't say I really give much mind to recent results, as olly and I have been saying all we're doing now is having an extended pre-season.

i agree with you mate i mean i want us to win every game but its a throw away season as far as the league's concerned

[berbzy 'G']

It will be embarrissing for me if we don't finish above Wet Spam this season... :o

[Ginola's Son]

I can live with it. We have a cup, they have **** all.

[Spur]

It will be embarrissing for me if we don't finish above Wet Spam this season... :o
We already have! Miles above!

Because:
I can live with it. We have a cup, they have **** all.

[berbzy 'G']

We already have! Miles above!

Because:

not quite, all they got to do is lose a game, and for us to win one, that means we go above them on goal difference... Thats unless the players start to pull their fingers out that is?

[peterc]

not quite, all they got to do is lose a game, and for us to win one, that means we go above them on goal difference... Thats unless the players start to pull their fingers out that is?

Well, they have four more games to do that.

[irishspur]

It will be embarrissing for me if we don't finish above Wet Spam this season... :o

I think we will,so no worries there.;)

[olly27]

Peter is 100% ****ing right. You don't pay £40 (at LEAST) to see your team 'experiment' that is unacceptable. The team owes it to the fans to play their best, they aren't doing that. Ramos is not happy about that and it isn't pretending that 'experimenting' is the excuse.

It doesn't mean he's throwing games down the drain for the sake of experimenting! He will have tough decisions to make over the summer and is most likely using this period for assessment in all departments. Of course he wants to win the remaining fixtures but he also has to weigh options for next season. Forward thinking and diligent planning will pay dividends....wait and see.

[Spur]

not quite, all they got to do is lose a game, and for us to win one, that means we go above them on goal difference... Thats unless the players start to pull their fingers out that is?

The point was that I couldn't personally give a monkey's if we finish a place behind West Ham. Couldn't care less.

If a WHAM supporter says to me they finished above us then my immediate reply will be a serious question about how long it has been since their last trophy.

If Ramos is experimenting for the benefit of next season people will actually tell him to stop?

[peterc]

It doesn't mean he's throwing games down the drain for the sake of experimenting! He will have tough decisions to make over the summer and is most likely using this period for assessment in all departments. Of course he wants to win the remaining fixtures but he also has to weigh options for next season. Forward thinking and diligent planning will pay dividends....wait and see.

Don't think I have stated so. For the ones who frequent matches, it is quite annoying to see the manager experimenting when one has paid good money to see his/ her favourite team losing points to teams like B'Ham, B'burn, M'Boro etc. Experimenting could be done during International breaks. Ramos does not need a full squad to experiment his 4-3-3 formation that has shown to be a flop so far.

[peterc]

The point was that I couldn't personally give a monkey's if we finish a place behind West Ham. Couldn't care less.

If a WHAM supporter says to me they finished above us then my immediate reply will be a serious question about how long it has been since their last trophy.

If Ramos is experimenting for the benefit of next season people will actually tell him to stop?

Ramos could have experimented during the international breaks, any excuse not too.:confused: After all a couple of extra games will make the players even fitter.

[Spur]

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Ramos could have experimented during the international breaks, any excuse not too.:confused: After all a couple of extra games will make the players even fitter.

With no players and against no opposition?

Don't think you see the point.

[peterc]

With no players and against no opposition?

Don't think you see the point.

I do see the point very well, not many teams would have all their first team players playing in internationals, so therefore a manager could get a rough idea on certain promising subs that are not frequently used in the first team. Also maybe experiment then in different formation and don't forfeit important points in the league where we could finish at least in the top ten.

[Spur]

I do see the point very well, not many teams would have all their first team players playing in internationals, so therefore a manager could get a rough idea on certain promising subs that are not frequently used in the first team. Also maybe experiment then in different formation and don't forfeit important points in the league where we could finish at least in the top ten.

Well now your sidetracking yourself. Talking about subs and whilst others are away on international duty (and therefore there being no real games to try out these new things and players you mention) - what your actually trying to say is that he should do these things in training.

Well he probably does, but he's got the luxury of doing them in real match time with points on the line as well, so good luck to him if that is what he is doing, and it does seem as though he is doing just that.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;85587]Well now your sidetracking yourself. Talking about subs and whilst others are away on international duty (and therefore there being no real games to try out these new things and players you mention) - what your actually trying to say is that he should do these things in training.


No I am not side tracking at all, using three to fours subs out of eleven players in a friendly can't do any harm, we don't have eleven interantional players from our first team, get them playing withthe more experienced and also if necessary try out different formations, but with our present positioning in the league, I don't agree that Ramos should be experimenting.

Well he probably does, but he's got the luxury of doing them in real match time with points on the line as well, so good luck to him if that is what he is doing, and it does seem as though he is doing just that.

Does not mean that we all have to agree with you or Ramos?, After all, we are all human and we are all entitled to our opinions and mistakes too.
Some might find it more difficult than others to admit their mis-judgement.

[Ginola's Son]

You shouldn't give up on everything in the February of a season, Cup or no cup. It's unprofessional and Ramos knows it.

[peterc]

You shouldn't give up on everything in the February of a season, Cup or no cup. It's unprofessional and Ramos knows it.

And taking the piss out of the paying fans to watch such crap.:mad:

[Spur]

And taking the piss out of the paying fans to watch such crap.:mad:

Fans will still be paying in pre-season is it alright then?

And anyway, would the fans of this club not want what is best for the Club? Otherwise how on earth can they be called fans?

[peterc]

Fans will still be paying in pre-season is it alright then?[/B]

And anyway, would the fans of this club not want what is best for the Club? Otherwise how on earth can they be called fans?

FFS, if you cannot tell the difference between pre-season and actual premiership league games. Premiership games have points to be won and help a team's placing whilst in pre-season there are no worries on the result and tickets to watch such games are much, much cheaper than premiership, in pre-season experimenting is expected , but not when a team is struggling to reach the top ten placings in the premiership. Have you read other forum where many fans have commented about the way Ramos has been experimenting at their expense?, you and I might not frequent as much as other fans who do not miss one game and spend alot of money following our team, those are the true lotal supporters who have been ripped off by this experimenting, besides us fans who feel embarrassed losing points to second rated teams.

[Spur]

FFS, if you cannot tell the difference between pre-season and actual premiership league games. Premiership games have points to be won and help a team's placing whilst in pre-season there are no worries on the result and tickets to watch such games are much, much cheaper than premiership, in pre-season experimenting is expected , but not when a team is struggling to reach the top ten placings in the premiership. Have you read other forum where many fans have commented about the way Ramos has been experimenting at their expense?, you and I might not frequent as much as other fans who do not miss one game and spend alot of money following our team, those are the true lotal supporters who have been ripped off by this experimenting, besides us fans who feel embarrassed losing points to second rated teams.

But the point is, if we've nothing to lose we've nothing to lose. We have nothing to lose, we (or Juande) still need to gain, but gaining points doesn't matter anymore, it's all about the education.

Which would you rather, lose every game to the end of the season and have a really good year next year, or just have a decent year next year but win a few meaningless games now?

Well if losing now (not for want of losing though) means we do better next year i'm all for it. Come on Wigan!

And also, the other point is, we're already in pre-season. We have been since Feb 24th.

[Ginola's Son]

Fans will still be paying in pre-season is it alright then?

Yes, because those games are designed for exactly that, expermenting and gaining fitness. They are meaningless games. As you well know

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;85800]But the point is, if we've nothing to lose we've nothing to lose. We have nothing to lose, we (or Juande) still need to gain, but gaining points doesn't matter anymore, it's all about the education.


It might not matter to you, but it does matter to me and many other Spurs fans where we are going to finish in the table placings.

Which would you rather, lose every game to the end of the season and have a really good year next year, or just have a decent year next year but win a few meaningless games now?

I would expect the manager to drum into the players that he expects us to finish off in a decent position in the premiership at least top ten.

Well if losing now (not for want of losing though) means we do better next year i'm all for it. Come on Wigan!

You are taking the piss, or you definitely need your brains, if any checked.:eek:

And also, the other point is, we're already in pre-season. We have been since Feb 24th.

Surprised how you are saying one thing the the official manager who happens to be Juande Ramos and not Spur is saying the opposite. Spur, hide away mate.;)

[Spur]

You are taking the piss, or you definitely need your brains, if any checked.:eek:
Correctamundo!

And why am I taking the piss (other than that i'm always taking the piss) is because it doesn't matter.
Surprised how you are saying one thing the the official manager who happens to be Juande Ramos and not Spur is saying the opposite. Spur, hide away mate.;)
Yeah, bear in mind that Robbie Keane is DEFINATELY NOT JOINING SPURS.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;85838]Correctamundo!

And why am I taking the piss (other than that i'm always taking the piss) is because it doesn't matter.

Your opinion, but not everyones mate.

Yeah, bear in mind that Robbie Keane is DEFINATELY NOT JOINING SPURS.

You mean definitely.;)

[Spur]

You mean definitely.;)

I take it that one went over your head?

[peterc]

I take it that one went over your head?

Just correcting how to spell DEFINITELY. The rest, I could not be bothered to answer, cos it's a load of shite.

[Spur]

Just correcting how to spell DEFINITELY. The rest, I could not be bothered to answer, cos it's a load of shite.

So it did.

Very well then.

[mjbmedia]

not that im following this thread that closely but that went over my head too