Carrick signs for United

[Welsh Spur]

http://www.4thegame.com/club/mufc/news/190505/carrick_joins_united.html

A sad Day my friends....

[England's No.1]

Can't quite believe this could be true. It would be as step in totally the wrong direction for us. The article does seem pretty certain, would like to see it somewhere else before I start crying.

[Chinaman]

The sadness may only be short-lived. I think we're on the verge of announcing a massive arrival.

[Welsh Spur]

4thegame is more of a f365 site, it seperates the truth from the gossip, also it does say it's a 4thegame exclusive, but it's not on skysports, spurs official site or bbc, the other reliable sites....

[Chinaman]

It only said of agreement reached between the clubs. The official announcement normally comes after the player involved has agreed personal terms as well.

[Chinaman]

Isn't it strange that nobody else seems to have picked up the news? Could it be a hoax after all?

[shoot_ffs]

i can't see it when there's a massive game on the horizon, in which i would atleast expect him to bench.
On the other hand i thought the arrival of two centre mids in january meant two would be leaving, which i figured to be davids and either carrick or tainio. If we have a ready replacement in hudds, and he's truly highly rated, then i say take the money. The other thing that made me wonder about carrick was he said he was surprised nothing had been done about negotiating a new contract while lennon's and dawson's were being done. For me carrick is one of those players that infuriates, he has great talent but doesn't get forward enough for the team.

[highlander]

im not going to believe it until theres confirmation from a reliable source i.e. the official site or sky sports

[WelshSpur82]

any idea who the massive arrival is Chinaman???

[highlander]

any idea who the massive arrival is Chinaman???
not speaking on his behalf but i assume it would be Zokora

[WelshSpur82]

Seems to look that way i agree, but if he is as good as everyone is saying then i for one would welcome him

[highlander]

ive only seen him once and he looked solid, consistant, stable and reliable, all very attractive quality's in a defensive midfielder

[WelshSpur82]

Still aint seen anything else regarding this Carrick transfer on any other site, Hope it is a hoax

[MarlowSpurs]

Still aint seen anything else regarding this Carrick transfer on any other site, Hope it is a hoax
I've looked everywhere and I cannot find this info on any other site

[MarlowSpurs]

Anyone else just heard Spurs have rejected a £10 million bid for carrick by man utd according to that dumb tart on ITV World Cup

[England's No.1]

Gaby Yorath has just stated on ITV that Man Ure have had a £10 million bid for Carrick turned down. Woohoo! :D :D :D :D

[MarlowSpurs]

Gaby Yorath thats her name, couldn't remember it in my earlier post

[Chinaman]

any idea who the massive arrival is Chinaman???


Don't really know. My point was if we've really agreed to sell Carrick, we must have a massive signing lined up. This Sakura guy has been bandied about, so could well be him, if not someone even better. Can't wait for the announcement.

[England's No.1]

lol, greatminds think alike.

Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5066204.stm) is a link to a BBC article saying the same thing. As ITV just did.

[JJ]

Can't be true. Jol knows Carrick is key.

[Chinaman]

On the other hand if we could sell him for around 15 million, and sign Zokora, we could also go after someone more adventurous and creative to partner him.

[England's No.1]

Apparently we've told Man Ure that we expect £20 million for him, don't think they'll offer that, and personally if they do I still don't think we should accept. Am actually quite upset to see them put a price on him. Would rather of heard that he was not for sale at any price.

[Spur]

Well I just had a thought. Considering we would have say 10mil to spend on a new midfielder, and we have The Hudd in back-up and ready to shine...

What would you all say, as fellow posters on this board, to 10million English Pound Sterling and Kieron Richardson for Michael Carrick?

[Chinaman]

That would be a good piece of business.

[shoot_ffs]

yer would consider that. I think hudds is his ready replacement and is probably better and more experienced for his age. I wouldn't except anything under 15m, and i still have reservations about selling him to a top three side. More importantly i'd be very surprised if all this happened now, it would be in very poor taste at this stage of his world cup. We should put in a 5m bid for rio or nistelroy and see how they like it. My guess is some hack has seen us buying players and thought aah maybe they need money.

[Chinaman]

Our purchases the last couple of days seem to be small buys.

[Spur]

The one a week ago was rather large though.

[Chinaman]

Even then, we would not have to sell to finance it. That is unless we have a mega deal looming.

[England's No.1]

I'm sorry if it seems like I am repeating myself, but I am gonna have to disagree with the rest of you. I am fed of seeing Spurs building for the future, I realise that it is important, but we also have to build on last season.

Kieran Richardson is a decent player, but not even close to Carrick's standard, and Huddlestone does have potential but don't think he will be ready for next season.

We need to progress and this does not mean selling one of our top players to one of the few teams that finished above us last season.

[Spur]

Fair point, but Richardson is a very good player, and a left winger too - where we need someone to come and help us out. What you have to look at is... is losing Carrick worse than having Richardson and another player from all that cash? With all that cash we can get in a good ball-player who is not afraid to get stuck in - something Carrick rarely does with major conviction. With Richardson and Lennon on the wings we will have two players able to cause massive problems for opposing full-backs.

It's a tough question which is why I asked it, an personally, i'm glad I don't have to give an answer. I think Richardson and Lennon would be the ideal winger partnership and would even complement each other from opposite sides of the field nicely.

[England's No.1]

The way I see it is this, if Carrick does not sign a contract extension then we still keep him another season, yes we would get more direct money for him now, but with him, I honestly believe we can make the CL next season, which means we will get CL money, money for Carrick (if we do end up selling him) and more chance of getting the really top class players, with the lure of the CL.

Without Carrick, I don't think we can break the top 4, esp. if he goes to 1 of them. So in the long term, IMHO, it would make better sense both business-wise and football-wise to keep him.

Call me optimistic, but I don't think he wants to leave anyway. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Shuggie13]

All other sources say we have turned down a 10 million bid. I hardly think we would then accept a 14 million offer. Jol has also stated he wants to build the team around Carrick to some extent.

If it was a question of getting some decent money in we knowwe could get around the 10 million mark for Defoe.

As an after-thought what would you all think about 10 million for Carrick + Van Nistleroy. That would be a deal worth taking in my opinion.

[Shuggie13]

Does anyone know what has happened with Ribery?

[Jol's Yid Army]

If we can get 10m plus Ruud I think it will be a good deal for both parties. Tottenham get money, a world class player and united get a replacement for keane.

[Chinaman]

I am actually looking forward to much more attacking play next year.

[whistler9027]

Hi guys...
The carrick move hadn't until at least this morning been cast in stone..however his agent has had talks with united over the past couple of months and spurs had a definite fee in mind..also his wages demand for his next contract at spurs were deemed to be too high and spurs were unwilling to change pay structure...Talks with united re carrick had been going on since January....through his agent...

I work for a sports media company..and although of course rumours always exist...especially in football...the info we got has come from some pretty first hand sources..off the record of course...but can def confirm ..this isnt something that has just happened...

[shoot_ffs]

there's still no proof whatsoever. the rags are talking out of their arse, quoting everything from him having agreed to move, wants to move there, bids of between 7-12m being put in, and our apparent fear of bigger clubs. If we either had a replacement, or thought hudds was good enough, i don't think we'd accept a bid before the world cup as he could well double his price in the space of a month. We have enough fodder to sell off to raise 15m no probs so we are not short of money. I think the fact that this story has broken now, shows that someone doesn't want him to do well in the world cup, as they know he could become wanted by half of europe. I expect spurs to make a statement after the game setting out our position, and the inappropriate nature of the bid in relation to the lads world cup focus.

[Danishspurs]

We shoudn't sell carrick for 20 mill.. We should at least get 30, cause in todays football the holding midfielder is the most important player in the team and there are not many players in the world who plays that role as well as carrick...

I can't believe if this roumor is true. It's a step in the total wrong direction, and would be a disaster... But in case that we sell him, I think we should give the Hudd a chance and not buy some french gay...

[Spur]

I doubt they would give us 10mil and Ruud as they seem to have put about 15mil price on his head if rumours are true.

[shoot_ffs]

he is a top striker ruud, i thought he was on fire at the start of last season, can only see one of the top clubs paying that kind of many, especially with his injuries. The richardson shout might not be bad, but i'd rather he had a good world cup and we sold him for 20m abroad.

[Billywhizz]

I'll belive it when i see it, it's far from a done deal at the moment but i think Mr Joll is right to stick out for £18m plus and i don't think man-utd will pay that.

I don't want to put a downer on things but i hope we don't keep signing Gay French players or we might end up like you know who.

[Welsh Spur]

not speaking on his behalf but i assume it would be Zokora

Me too. I hope so anyway.

[JJ]

Finding nippy wingers like Richardson isn't exactly tough and neither is finding a striker. Finding a player like Carrick is or else why would Utd be trying to sign him. We would be stupid to lose Carrick

[Welsh Spur]

Finding nippy wingers like Richardson isn't exactly tough and neither is finding a striker. Finding a player like Carrick is or else why would Utd be trying to sign him. We would be stupid to lose Carrick

I was gutted when I saw that story. It's well odd that its nowhere else and also someone mentioned that it's because the player aint agreed terms why it aint been fully announced. Hope its untrue and we sign zokora.

[JJ]

I was gutted when I saw that story. It's well odd that its nowhere else and also someone mentioned that it's because the player aint agreed terms why it aint been fully announced. Hope its untrue and we sign zokora.

I can't honestly see it happening.

[nuttyhotspurs]

just been listening to five live in my car and they just had a relatively long discussion on it. All they said is utd have offered 10m but Spurs want 20m. they seemed to think that utd would be put off him at that price tag. which is what spurs intended. they mentioned nothing about an agreement between the 2 clubs. i find that hard to believe at the minute

[mjbmedia]

ok Carricks our most influential player so lets swap him for Man Us most infuential player, Rooney, either deal or **** off fergie (hopefully he'll die soon anyway the miserable sweaty)

[WelshSpur82]

Harsh but fair

[WelshSpur82]

Harsh but fair

[Shuggie13]

http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.aspx?hlid=393909&CPID=4&clid=114&lid=3&title=Jol+confirms+United+Carrick+bid

Jol confirms bid.

[welshspur]

well welsh spur mate - and everyone else - the question is does michael himself want to go? If he does - for whatever reason - not much can be done! Just hold out for 15 million plus a player id say! Van nistleroy would be nice!

But if he does go will be huge blow! Shows were still not part of the elite yet im afraid!

Anyway levy and co got to fight on this one! £15 million plus van the man - otherwise its no deal!

[SurreySpur]

Theres no way thay ferguson will pay 15million plus RVN for carrick. Abid of around 8million plus the dutchman seems to be more realistic. RVN and Berbatov up front with Keano in the hole behind them, that would be some strike force.

[Danishspurs]

Levy slaps £20m tag on carrick:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/sport/sport4.shtml

Anyway, did anyone watch Argentina vs. Ivory coast last night?? Zokora looked real quality..

[Shuggie13]

Zokora looked not bad at all, and Yaya Toure even better. It's so difficult to judge though. Putting it into perspective this was their first match in their country's first ever wc, so they will be playing out of their skins. A bit like the West Ham players in the FA Cup final, who will be battling relegation next season.

[gbspur72]

Jol is saying on BBC that he is not prepared to let Carrick go!
Let's seem him partnering Zakora next season not being replaced by him.
We can't be selling Defoe either, they'll be plenty of games for everyone
next season if we do well.

[Spur]

I always thought that with Defoe he would leave for about 8 or 9mil.

The fact we have had two bids for two important players in the last two days of which both are the biggest amounts of cash we have ever seen on our doorstep and rejected both... it shows we are intent on not letting others destroy us now and that they will have to pay top-dollar. I can only see Carrick leaving now, but Defoe will stay I reckon.

Also, what Martin Jol said is right on the money - Carrick owes this club, more to the point Carrick owes Martin Jol. His agent apparently said there is an offer on the table, so let's hope he signs the ****er.

Zokora and Yaya both looked good last night, but i'd rather have Carrick!

[sundancer]

Selling Carrick would be a BIG mistake, especially to a top three team we do not need to sell and if we want to be a top three team we must keep our top players. And yes Zokoro did look good last night.

[JuicE]

It may be down to Carrick what happens. He's a northern lad and a professional footballer, all of which means he may find the temptation to play for Manu too much to resist.
These days loyalty is rare, unfortunately.

[WelshSpur82]

I say if he wants out, let him go. 8M plus RVN would be nice, use the 8M to sign Duff then. I am all excited just thinking about it

[JuicE]

I am slightly confused!:confused:

How many Welsh Spurs do we have?

[England's No.1]

lol, this topic has been discussed on a couple of threads.

We have 3 different welsh spurs, and someone else is also from Wales, can't remember who it was though I'm afraid.

[JuicE]

Can't be hard to dream up a more original tag, can it?

Dragonsbreath!
Welshy!
Taffy!
Sheep.... oh!:D

[shoot_ffs]

even if carrick doesn't want to go, this whole thing will help his contract talks whatever happens. It does seem bizarre to me that it came out when it did, you could argue that carrick might have wanted that after hearing that the bid had been turned down. I thought zokora was ok but you could never play him and carrick together, and i didn't see zokora make too many tackles last night. I'd rather stick with someone who has many years in the english game.

[highlander]

i dont want to sell carrick at all. the only player of his calibre in the prem passing wise is Xavi Alonso and if Utd wanted him Liverpool wouldnt accept anyting. we need to keep Carrick, hes vital to our play

[Spur]

Unless we change it. And with 20mil we could.

[GOONHATER]

Carrick is'nt going anywhere as martin jol has stated on five live that he picked carrick over mendes and he feel's he owes the club,and he is a big part of his plans for next season. Also our chairman has stated that manure would have to come up with at least 20mil before he would even consider it.This just proves to me that alex furguson is a **** on amission to unsettle england players.:mad:

[Chinaman]

A midfield of Lennon, Jenas, Zokora and Babel will give us pace and strength.

[Spur]

Looks like Chinaman doesn't even want Mikey.

I have to say I don't want him to leave but if we can get alot of money for him then show him the door. We have a ready made replacement in The Hudd and with that kind of cash we can replace Carrick and change the whole structure of the team.

[highlander]

we do not need to sell our best players to build:mad: . we've just signed the 2 biggest sponsorship deals in the clubs history and finished in the highest premiership position in our history. in fact this is probably the richest and most efficient the club has been so we do not need to sell to buy

[Chinaman]

Looks like Chinaman doesn't even want Mikey.

I have to say I don't want him to leave but if we can get alot of money for him then show him the door. We have a ready made replacement in The Hudd and with that kind of cash we can replace Carrick and change the whole structure of the team.

I must say that I've never been a great fan of hom. Think he's too slow, doesn't tackle, doesn't have a short and can't make a killer pass. Sort of like the Perryman of old; and yet Perryman was able to go in hard.

[Danishspurs]

I must say that I've never been a great fan of hom. Think he's too slow, doesn't tackle, doesn't have a short and can't make a killer pass. Sort of like the Perryman of old; and yet Perryman was able to go in hard.

Don't make killer passes?? His passing range is one of the best in the game and i'm sure he will improve even more then he did last season and score more goals next season.. Plus I think his pace has improved over last season and he's starting to make some great runs wih the ball, fx the one against scum.

[Spur]

Yea have to disagree, almost entirely. For what he does, he doesn't need alot of pace, although admittedly it would help all round. His passing is the best in the Prem I have no doubt, he can make space by dropping a shoulder and has started to dribble and get more shots on goal, Jol has said several times that is the only thing he must improve.

As for tackling, I admit he doesn't get stuck in, but Chris Hughton's End Of Term reports on the official site made an interesting point. I think the holding midfielder role is too often thought of as mainly protecting the back four and getting stuck in. But what Carrick does is provides the first point of attack, getting the ball then releasing it, creating space whilst still there to put off the opposition whilst defending.

[Chinaman]

The main reason why we don't finish other teams off is that we take too long to build up our attacks. We often see Carrick picking up the ball, step over and then turn 180degrees, walk a few steps with the ball, turn back the same 180 degrees and make a sideway pass. It takes more than 10 seconds and we haven't moved forward a yard, while the opposition all fall back behind the ball. When did he make a crisp, precise through ball like the one Van Persie made to Robben today, which was all so economical. I agree Carrick looks good doing his 30 yard cross-field ball, but it is all it is; just looking good without being effective. I was brought up on killer balls from the likes of Johnny White and Hoddle, and to a lesser extent, Venables and Ardiles. Carrick is a long shot from these great players.

[Spur]

Well seeing as how almost everything we do comes from or through him, and we have moved from 14th to 9th to 5th in the season and a half he has been here and first choice, he must be doing something right.

[Chinaman]

He was found out playing the last but one friendly for England. Not international class. Was losing the ball all the time.

[Danishspurs]

I agree he does make that many trough balls to the strikers but it's difficult when he sitting in front of the back four. He has to move at least 20 yards forward if he shall be able to make those trough passes...

[Welsh Spur]

The main reason why we don't finish other teams off is that we take too long to build up our attacks. We often see Carrick picking up the ball, step over and then turn 180degrees, walk a few steps with the ball, turn back the same 180 degrees and make a sideway pass. It takes more than 10 seconds and we haven't moved forward a yard, while the opposition all fall back behind the ball. When did he make a crisp, precise through ball like the one Van Persie made to Robben today, which was all so economical. I agree Carrick looks good doing his 30 yard cross-field ball, but it is all it is; just looking good without being effective. I was brought up on killer balls from the likes of Johnny White and Hoddle, and to a lesser extent, Venables and Ardiles. Carrick is a long shot from these great players.

I agree, that's why £15 to £20M is a good bit of business for us, and Man U will get no nearer to replacing Keane than they did with the ridiculous plan to use Smith as his successor. The guy's a f*cking striker for god's sake.

[Chinaman]

This Zokora guy is the real deal. We should have sewn up the deal before the WC.

[Welsh Spur]

Apparently he wants to come here so hoping that's true, he's ours!

[highlander]

if we do sign him it'll be brilliant as he is a great talent and will make us far more versatile as a team as we dont really have a holding midfielder in the first team and carrick is not a holding midfielder. ive only seen him twice and will see him at least another 2 times in the coming week/s so should get a better look at him.

[Billywhizz]

Saw Zakora against the Argies the guy is awsome. After the World cup we'll bag him.

[Chinaman]

Few teams would be able to withstand our onslaught with a middle/ front 6-some of Berbatov, Keane, Lennon, Jenas, Zokora and Babel.

[Billywhizz]

Thats awsome. totally agree not even moneybags chelsea

[JuicE]

Nowthe papers are saying we have accepted 15 Mil for carrick! Hope not:(

[Welsh Spur]

Few teams would be able to withstand our onslaught with a middle/ front 6-some of Berbatov, Keane, Lennon, Jenas, Zokora and Babel.

Chinaman, great poster and a genuine fan...can't disagree with much that you say, and Carrick can leave if Man U seem a better prospect to him, thanks for kicking it all off like, MJ made him into the player he is today and he'd be an idiot to leave now, but, if he wants to he can for a fee that represents 400% Profit. Thank you, Mr Levy.