Carrick/Defoe Bids???

[DonJolSpurano]

http://tottenhamhotspur.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=897&p=2&stid=8413256

pompey hahahahahahahahahaha

[shoot_ffs]

yer it's a good laugh that. Wonder if we are going to move carrick on, make way for the hudd. I think carrick could do well at the world cup, lamps always flatters to deceive for england. carricks passing and our quick strikers and lennon could be a major trump card. Really hoping defoe stays. It does seem odd pompey are talking about him so maybe he is looking to go.

[Welsh Spur]

At least they are not accepting silly bids...if the pompey bid is true then we're not accepting £10mill for Defoe, which is an amount I wouldn't be too angry to see him leave in return for. But I don't want him to leave neither. Apparently Fergie's been told to do one with a £12mill bid for Carrick. I don't really think MJ wants him to go or will let him go, as he has made Carrick and also has installed him as a key player in our 1st 11.

[WelshSpur82]

Defoe out, Torres in ???

[Welsh Spur]

I'd rather Defoe. Torres is overrated.

[Chinaman]

I wouldn't say Torres is overrated, only that he's not tried and tested in the EPL and so should be regarded as a somewhat unknown quality. As we already have Barbie as an unknown to the EPL, I'd rather have Defoe stay as a bird in hand is better than 2(Barbie and Torres) in the bush.

[WelshSpur82]

Good point, but i have seen a fair bit of him on sky spanish footballand i feel he wuld be the business, keep an eye on him in the world cup!

[Chinaman]

I don't doubt that he's good. In a way the WC will be like the environment that he plays in in that much more emphasis is placed on skillful build-up and the game is much slower and with a lot less of the hustle of the EPL.

[WelshSpur82]

I see what you are saying but i still would not mind seeing him at the lane next season !!

[mjbmedia]

I see what you are saying but i still would not mind seeing him at the lane next season !!
maybe you will , in the opposition in the UEFA cup :D

[Chinaman]

I don't honestly see that can happen now we've got Barbie.

[WelshSpur82]

No i doubt it also, But if JD were to leave then who knows ??

[Spur]

I don't honestly see that can happen now we've got Barbie.


I hope we aint bought Barbie, a bit lightweight in the air.

[Chinaman]

Let's hope that it is a right decision. Be happy if he can get 15 goals.

[Chinaman]

There's a news item about Manure being ready to bid 7 million for Carrick. Aweek ago, they were supposed to be ready to hand oveer 10 million. A week on the England bench has taken 3 million off his valuation!

[Spur]

7mil will get his right boot.

[Chinaman]

If his right is worth 7million, his left is about 4, totalling 11 million. Put another 4 for his head and they can have him for 15.

[Welsh Spur]

He's just gone for £14Million...check 4thegame.com
Who's gonna replace him!??!

[Chinaman]

Just read that as suggested. I true that represents a massive profit. Looks like our style of play will change next year; without a holding MF, it will be more exciting going forward. hudds will also get his chance; certainly more games than he played this year.

[Chinaman]

Just read that as suggested. I true that represents a massive profit. Looks like our style of play will change next year; without a holding MF, it will be more exciting going forward. hudds will also get his chance; certainly more games than he played this year. Don't know why keep on double entry. How to delete this? Went to edit mode and chose delete, but can't seem to complete the deletion.

[Welsh Spur]

I'm quite shocked, didnt think he'd leave.....!

But £14m return on £3m outlay is good business yes. Someone else is definately coming in...I'd put my money on Zokora.

[Chinaman]

We may be opting for a more adventurous style of play.

[highlander]

if this Carrick-Utd talk is true for £14million then they've got a bargain. i dont think its true however as when chelsea were interested in defoe we held on to him with our 'we're not a selling club' mentality which is a stance id like to us take with Carrick

[Spur]

What if Carrick wanted to leave though?

[MarlowSpurs]

What if Carrick wanted to leave though?
Why announce it a day before England are due to play, surely your mind would be concentrating on the world cup?

[Spur]

What if he didn't have a choice?

[Chinaman]

Conspiracy! If he wanted to go so much, Jol decides to spoil his party and announces it early so as to affect his concentration. He'll get injured and Manure would have spent 14 million for nothing.

[Hayes Massive]

Just heard on radio its 10 million we have said get stuffed but have put a price on hom of 20 million.I guess the deal will be done because i dont think Carrick will want to stay. 15million is my guess.

[Chinaman]

So the earlier news about a 14 million agreement was quite on the mark. 14 or 15 million is a good price; and we can perhaps expect an exciting signing in the days ahead.

[Hayes Massive]

Whilst on have just come back from Spain,theres a big story out there that we have bid 24million euros for David Villa,now that would be interesting!!

[peterc]

I would sell Defoe for £12 million, we could find better strikers, personally I think that he is overrated, but I would hold onto to Carrick, he has been improving throughout the season and I could see his value increase further especially if he manages to do impress in the World Cup.

[highlander]

theres no point selling defoe, who can we get that is better for less money especially with the world cup inflation about to take place.

[peterc]

theres no point selling defoe, who can we get that is better for less money especially with the world cup inflation about to take place.
I'm sure that Comolli and Jol would have a few names already pencilled in, we shall wait and see. We need strikers who score at least more than ten a season, Defoe did not perform to his best, and I feel that we can find another prolific striker besides having Berbatov, bearing in mind that we will be playing more games in the coming season and we will need to rest some players throughout the season.

[Spur]

Defoe is a prolific scorer. So he never did it last season because he changed his style of play to be considered for England - people seem to forget that. if he plays like he we know he can then he's the best back-up striker in the PL. We've got good strikers at Spurs - Keane, Defoe and Berba, lets hope he can transform that Bundesliga form to here. We don't need to find a new striker to replace Defoe - just to replace Mido and be fourth choice. Then again i'm happy for that 4th place berth to go to Lee Barnard.

[peterc]

Defoe is a prolific scorer. So he never did it last season because he changed his style of play to be considered for England - people seem to forget that. if he plays like he we know he can then he's the best back-up striker in the PL. We've got good strikers at Spurs - Keane, Defoe and Berba, lets hope he can transform that Bundesliga form to here. We don't need to find a new striker to replace Defoe - just to replace Mido and be fourth choice. Then again i'm happy for that 4th place berth to go to Lee Barnard.
Sorry mate but I still think we would be better off in selling Defoe, if he changed his play to suit England, it has affected his performance at Spurs and still he did not make it to the World Cup, a prolific striker normally scores at least ten goals, the very least a season, hope I am worng but I still have my doubts.

[highlander]

the only reason he didnt make the WC squad was cos that **** David Dein picked the squad, thus Theo Wankott's inclusion

[peterc]

the only reason he didnt make the WC squad was cos that **** David Dein picked the squad, thus Theo Wankott's inclusion
Sorry mate I disagree, can you really say that Defoe deserved to be picked with his performance this season?, I would have chosen Darren Bent ,top English scorer in the Premiership, it all boils down to performance and no matter what anyone says Defoe was not in that category. I agree that taking Theo Walcott is a big gamble, hopefully for us it might backfire, only time will tell.

[England's No.1]

Agree with both of you, would have taken Bent and Defoe, with our stiker situation as it it. Wouldn't have taken Theo, and would probably not have taken either Hargreaves or Jenas.

[highlander]

Sorry mate I disagree, can you really say that Defoe deserved to be picked with his performance this season?, I would have chosen Darren Bent ,top English scorer in the Premiership, it all boils down to performance and no matter what anyone says Defoe was not in that category. I agree that taking Theo Walcott is a big gamble, hopefully for us it might backfire, only time will tell.
i dont think Bent was a serious contender for a WC place, granted he was the top scoring englishman but Defoe's been performing in the top flight year on year and Bent hasnt. Defoe has also been involved in the england set-up for ages so would fitright in and the occassion wouldnt faze him.

[peterc]

i dont think Bent was a serious contender for a WC place, granted he was the top scoring englishman but Defoe's been performing in the top flight year on year and Bent hasnt. Defoe has also been involved in the england set-up for ages so would fitright in and the occassion wouldnt faze him.
Defoe might have more experience playing for England, however, don't think that should merit him a place in the England squad, due to his below par performances. He did not manage to score one goal in the last five to six games we played towards the end of season.

[highlander]

Defoe might have more experience playing for England, however, don't think that should merit him a place in the England squad, due to his below par performances. He did not manage to score one goal in the last five to six games we played towards the end of season.
excluding the last game of the season of course. Bent wasnt even on the standby list, Defoe was going as the next striker

[peterc]

excluding the last game of the season of course. Bent wasnt even on the standby list, Defoe was going as the next striker
So a total of nine goals puts a striker in line to play for his country?, if that is the case, wave the chances of quater finals good bye, let alone winning the World Cup, anyway he is back home and for his sake, let's hope he starts the coming season with a bang whether at Spurs or not?.

[highlander]

So a total of nine goals puts a striker in line to play for his country?, if that is the case, wave the chances of quater finals good bye, let alone winning the World Cup, anyway he is back home and for his sake, let's hope he starts the coming season with a bang whether at Spurs or not?.
so dont you think Defoe's good enough then, he is definately good enough to play in the WC

[peterc]

so dont you think Defoe's good enough then, he is definately good enough to play in the WC
As I mentioned in my previous thread I think that he is overrated.

[highlander]

As I mentioned in my previous thread I think that he is overrated.
well thats where we differ as i think he is a small, fast striker who is a brilliant finisher and very creative

[shoot_ffs]

i love defoe to bits, think he'll go on to be one of the best strikers this country has ever had. I therefore want him to stay.

[Shuggie13]

i love defoe to bits, think he'll go on to be one of the best strikers this country has ever had. I therefore want him to stay.


I have to agree, I think Defoe still has the potential to be an absolute legend. I do have this nagging doubt though that his attitude isn't as good as say Robbie's was (when he was left out of the starting line-up).

Will he fight for his place or move on?

[gbspur72]

We dont want Defoe to go. He'll bounce back next season.
If he went to another prem club i'm sure it would come back to
haunt us.

[peterc]

I have to agree, I think Defoe still has the potential to be an absolute legend. I do have this nagging doubt though that his attitude isn't as good as say Robbie's was (when he was left out of the starting line-up).

Will he fight for his place or move on?
Well if he has not got the right attitude, I think that he should move on, he did not show the right attitude and that was what put me off him last season.
He sulked and did not show much interest, one goal in seven games, sorry that is not a prolific striker, when he came on as a subsitute, a slight difference to Robbie Keane who always gives us full commitment, we need players who show full commitment no matter what and Defoe did not show that commitment.

[England's No.1]

I don't think he did sulk, and according to reports his attitude leading up to the WC has been very good. I would like to see him stay and think he will fight to get his place in the first team.

[peterc]

I don't think he did sulk, and according to reports his attitude leading up to the WC has been very good. I would like to see him stay and think he will fight to get his place in the first team.Sorry, but totally disagree Defoe did sulk during the season and as for good reports coming from the England camp, I would not be surprised that he must have given his best, shame he did not do the same for his employers Tottenham Hotspur who, by the way, pay his salary. No one will change my opinion, as far as I am concerned he is overrated and if we are offered £12m plus we shpould sell him, as to coming back to haunt us, so could the other players who left White Hart Lane.

[gbspur72]

WHOOOOOOOOOA!Youv'e really got it in for our Jermaine.Any ideas on a better striker we could replace him with for your £12 mill asking price!

[Spur]

Defoe was told to change by Sven and lost his selfishness. That selfishness made him great, goals against Arsenal and Birmingham stick out in my mind. A player who does that is not overrated. Portsmouth certainly don't think he is overrated. He is a great goalscoring striker, and if you want to talk about form then fine. But overrated he is not.

Name me a better striker sitting on a bench in the Prem and i'll shut up, but as its impossible i'll carry on.

Keane never showed the right attitude by walking down the dugout last season at St Andrews. We still didn't sell him and he done well this season. If we can get that sort of reaction from Defoe then we are laughing. Have to agree with Highlander and Shoot_ffs.

In regard to Defoe going to the World Cup, he definately should have as 3rd, 4th or 5th choice. Certainly Theo shouldn't have gone, Rooney is debatable and Owen's fitness is questionable, while Crouch is a target man who makes us play rubbish football. IMO Defoe is the only one who can dazzle us all by being what he used to be, and hopefully next season, wearing lilywhite, he will show us again.

[gbspur72]

There isn't a better striker sitting on the bench in the prem, 20+ goals for
JD next season.

[Shuggie13]

Jermaine will stay hopefully and the England let-down will be the kick up the backside he needs. We need to have at least 3 quality strikers next season and looking at all the players linked or rumoured I can't really think of any other top strikers mentioned. This leads me to believe we have no intention of letting him go or in fact he wanting to leave.

[Welsh Spur]

Sorry, but totally disagree Defoe did sulk during the season and as for good reports coming from the England camp, I would not be surprised that he must have given his best, shame he did not do the same for his employers Tottenham Hotspur who, by the way, pay his salary. No one will change my opinion, as far as I am concerned he is overrated and if we are offered £12m plus we shpould sell him, as to coming back to haunt us, so could the other players who left White Hart Lane.

I think that for a Spurs fan you've got some controversial opinions...which I do not agree with, especially the 'overrated' part. I've really got to ask you how you came to this conclusion, when Benitez tries to unsettle him, Pompey put in apparently £12M bid, he isn't that overrated. Also, you mention Spurs paying his wages yet he doesn't give his best...again, can you justify this allegation? please respond, I would like to read your humble response to this.

Also, while I was watching the game on Saturday I thought to myself, Defoe's watching this somewhere and he must be thinking, what the **** did I do to not make this team???? Poor guy.

[Chinaman]

If we don't sign another high profile striker, there will be enough games to keep Berbatov, Keane and Defoe busy enough next season, and don't reckon he'll be insisting on leaving as he's got a good longterm contract.

Would love to buy this guy Babel who would be our primary left-sided player who could also double up as an emergency striker. That way we don't even have to waste 2-3 million pounds on a 4th striker.

[highlander]

i must admit i havent seen a lot of Babel, according to reports he is highly rated but i prefer to form my own conclusion. if he doubles up as a striker that usually means he isnt an out and out winger, which wouldnt be the worst thing as although he would like an out and out winger on the left, to play with 2 out and out wingers in a 4-4-2 is very dangerous, ambitious but dangerous.

[Welsh Spur]

I've seen Babel he's shithot. Very very talented, skilful and explosive on the left side.

[Welsh Spur]

I've seen Babel he's shithot. Very very talented, skilful and explosive on the left side.

[peterc]

I think that for a Spurs fan you've got some controversial opinions...which I do not agree with, especially the 'overrated' part. I've really got to ask you how you came to this conclusion, when Benitez tries to unsettle him, Pompey put in apparently £12M bid, he isn't that overrated. Also, you mention Spurs paying his wages yet he doesn't give his best...again, can you justify this allegation? please respond, I would like to read your humble response to this.

Also, while I was watching the game on Saturday I thought to myself, Defoe's watching this somewhere and he must be thinking, what the **** did I do to not make this team???? Poor guy.
First of all as regards to Benitez trying to unsettle Defoe, was it the hype of the media that caused all that??, as to Portsmouth making a bid for him, HR has denied any bid was made for Defoe, as for being overrated It is an opinion that quite a few Spurs fans have mentioned, if a prolific striker does not manage to score more than ten goals in a season, what can one say, by the way, please don't come back saying that Jol didn't give him a chance, Jol kept him on the bench because he was not performing, so thta should answer why I think that he did not give his best.

[peterc]

I think that for a Spurs fan you've got some controversial opinions...which I do not agree with, especially the 'overrated' part. I've really got to ask you how you came to this conclusion, when Benitez tries to unsettle him, Pompey put in apparently £12M bid, he isn't that overrated. Also, you mention Spurs paying his wages yet he doesn't give his best...again, can you justify this allegation? please respond, I would like to read your humble response to this.

Also, while I was watching the game on Saturday I thought to myself, Defoe's watching this somewhere and he must be thinking, what the **** did I do to not make this team???? Poor guy.
First of all as regards to Benitez trying to unsettle Defoe, was it the hype of the media that caused all that??, as to Portsmouth making a bid for him, HR has denied any bid was made for Defoe, as for being overrated It is an opinion that quite a few Spurs fans have mentioned, if a prolific striker does not manage to score more than ten goals in a season, what can one say, by the way, please don't come back saying that Jol didn't give him a chance, Jol kept him on the bench because he was not performing, so that should answer why I think that he did not give his best.

[Billywhizz]

I've seen Babel too the man's a flying machine possibly quicker than Henry and has bags of skill. If he's available sod everybody else get him now and quickly before any of the big spainish / italian clubs come sniffing around

[Spur]

Defoe is not overrated. If anything he is underrated. To be left out instead of Walcott. Injured Rooney. Unfit Owen. Underrated by Sven. For me I know what he is about. He is definately a great striker, and maybe he didn't show it last season, but that comes under form for me.

[Chinaman]

I wouldn't say Defoe is either over-rated or under-rated. One's opinion about him really depends on how one sees the way the team to play. The thing for sure is he's a hell of a good player, though his form had suffered in the last couple of months of the past season.

[Billywhizz]

I like Defoe and think he's one of the best finishers in the premiership. He just needs to knuckle down like keano did when he was sub a lot and prove to MJ that he's worthy of his place back and except there is goner be competion for places.

[singapore spur]

I like Defoe and think he's one of the best finishers in the premiership. He just needs to knuckle down like keano did when he was sub a lot and prove to MJ that he's worthy of his place back and except there is goner be competion for places.


agreed , though if things didnt pick up by january transfer window then it might be that a change would suit him and us .