Not penaltys takers fault!

[TURKISH]

Can't blame going out on just a spot kick shit happens. Shouldn't let it go to penaltys imo as its luck.

They didn't mean to miss on purpose and if anyone has been in a cup game and went out of penaltys kick would know.

Just the way it went for us tonight and the last thing we need to do is slag jj and chimbonda just because they miss a spot kick.

[Spur]

We lost a penalty shoot-out.

Alas, it is those who missed their penalties fault.

[yido4life]

gutted !! but proud of the performance from all the lads.penalties are a lottery,gomes is a fanny.

[TURKISH]

We lost a penalty shoot-out.

Alas, it is those who missed their penalties fault.

What about the first leg? What about all the missed chances? They all lead up to us going out.

Easy sitting at home on the shade lounge slagging off players who miss a penalty. Can't players make a mistake?

JJ and chimbo in tears and all there getting is slagged off for missing a spot kick which everyone on here thinks easy.

[AssaTM]

I also agree it isnt their fault, as I said in the main match topic it should have never got that far anyway, if we played better in the first leg we would have been through in normal time, but cant critisice the penalty kick takers, it's never easy unfortunately for us this year, hopefully next year we can go through in all the rounds without ever needing penalties, or more rather, hopefully we just go through all the rounds next year haha, lets just get this behind us then focus on the League and looking for players to perform there, and then we can focus on keeping our key players, well mainly Berbatov, although I think and hope he'll stay anyway, and then we can focus on making some big big signings to improve the team a lot

[TURKISH]

Its like boxing never let it go to the decision you never know what will happen.

[SCIFIN17YID]

We played well, but there is some who dont have the skill and mentality to be lilly whites !

[yido4life]

we played well,take the positive's out the game.we didnt lose the game we lost on penalties,1994 was last time we won one,shit happens.over 120 mins we where the best team buy a country mile.gomes kept them in it,simple as that.they wont win it they are too defensive minded..

why the **** should champions league drop out teams get another chance at cup glory anyway?..if ya lose in FA cuo we dont get put in charity cup of **** all else...if your not good enough then **** off and try again next season...the system is ****ed.

[Spur]

What about the first leg? What about all the missed chances? They all lead up to us going out.

Easy sitting at home on the shade lounge slagging off players who miss a penalty. Can't players make a mistake?

JJ and chimbo in tears and all there getting is slagged off for missing a spot kick which everyone on here thinks easy.

As it came down to it though, none of those things mattered though did they?

The players were asked to score from 12 yards out, we've all been discussing penalties in the other thread, my opinion on them is known, I fail to see how a penalty can be missed by a pro.

At the end of the day two players failed.

[jrio]

Can't blame going out on just a spot kick shit happens. Shouldn't let it go to penaltys imo as its luck.

They didn't mean to miss on purpose and if anyone has been in a cup game and went out of penaltys kick would know.

Just the way it went for us tonight and the last thing we need to do is slag jj and chimbonda just because they miss a spot kick.

Chimbo dragged it well wide. That's shit. JJ just lacks real top class. That's it. How you're defending Chimbo I don't know. He pushed the ball several feet wide of the goal!! Wake up!!!!! You need to hit the target to make the keeper make a save!!!

[spursmadnick06]

We lost a penalty shoot-out.

Alas, it is those who missed their penalties fault.

Not really, the keeper made a good save. JJ's was no worse than O Hara's that went in. Not to mention JJ and Chimbo had the pressure kicks.

[TURKISH]

Chimbo dragged it well wide. That's shit. JJ just lacks real top class. That's it. How you're defending Chimbo I don't know. He pushed the ball several feet wide of the goal!! Wake up!!!!! You need to hit the target to make the keeper make a save!!!

Don't patronise me baggio missed a penalty, waddle blazed one over quality players miss.

Chimbonda is a **** for several reasons but not for missing a penalty in my view. I lost a penalty shoot out before and our top striker with 20 goals dragged one wide.

The occasional lack of concentration all added to his shitty miss. Chmbonda a right back not a centre forward!

[Spur]

Not really, the keeper made a good save. JJ's was no worse than O Hara's that went in. Not to mention JJ and Chimbo had the pressure kicks.

Don't listen to Barnes.

JJ put it the right height for the keeper to save it. Funnily enough he saved it easily.

For that reason alone, it was a poor pen. You cannot blame anyone but the penalty taker on missing a penalty.

THEY SHOULDN'T MISS ONE.

[Ginola's Son]

Rubbish. Someone has to miss all we'd be there all night. As much as players are trained on penalties, keepers are trebly trained how to save them. Robbo as we know is crap at pens although his one save was a good'en.

And to say that just cos they are on bigs bucks, doesn't mean they can't feel the basic human emotion of nerves. They are humans after all

Heads up to Zokora, for a man that specializes in row z, what a penalty.

[wayne wonder]

yeah i had my head in my hands when zoko stepped up but he took the best pen out the lot

[AssaTM]

Haha yeh I said "Oh no, not Zokora, please not Zokora" then he scores the best one of the lot, now lets hope and pray for a Zokora hat trick in our next match, eh!, eh! :D haha

[jrio]

Heads up to Zokora, for a man that specializes in row z, what a penalty.
Yeah, I'd guaranteed row Z on that.

[TURKISH]

LOL zokora can shoot! Our new penalty taker?

Was robbo diving to early?

[wayne wonder]

LOL zokora can shoot! Our new penalty taker?

Was robbo diving to early?

He was i said that to my mate!

I think jj was trying to copy berbs style of pens lol

[jrio]

Chimbo dragged it well wide. That's shit. JJ just lacks real top class. That's it. How you're defending Chimbo I don't know. He pushed the ball several feet wide of the goal!! Wake up!!!!! You need to hit the target to make the keeper make a save!!!

Don't patronise me baggio missed a penalty, waddle blazed one over quality players miss.

Chimbonda is a **** for several reasons but not for missing a penalty in my view. I lost a penalty shoot out before and our top striker with 20 goals dragged one wide.

The occasional lack of concentration all added to his shitty miss. Chmbonda a right back not a centre forward!

Don't encourage me with witless remarks. Baggio missed a penalty in a WC final against Brazil after ET. Don't pretend that has any similarity with tonight. Chimbo is a **** for dragging a shot wide with utter carelessness. You're a **** for being witless.

[spursmadnick06]

Let's face it, England nor English teams have ever faired in shoot outs.

[Ginola's Son]

Jrio - Not right.

Chimbonda is a **** for walking off at Wembley like he did. He is NOT a **** for missing a penalty. He's a full-back by trade, not a spot-kick taker. He did his best, but his best wasn't good enough.

Woodgate said it best, he had the balls to take one.

[TURKISH]

[QUOTE=TURKISH;81164]

Don't encourage me with witless remarks. Baggio missed a penalty in a WC final against Brazil after ET. Don't pretend that has any similarity with tonight. Chimbo is a **** for dragging a shot wide with utter carelessness. You're a **** for being witless.


Very tough man behind a keyboard. Im a **** for disagreeing with you? How intelligient you look for slagging off players just because they miss a penalty.

Im not as smart as you or as many on here but at least i have morales.

[Ginola's Son]

More morale then the spurs dressing room at present.

[jrio]

Jrio - Not right.

Chimbonda is a **** for walking off at Wembley like he did. He is NOT a **** for missing a penalty. He's a full-back by trade, not a spot-kick taker. He did his best, but his best wasn't good enough.

Woodgate said it best, he had the balls to take one.

Wake up, lameo. He missed the ****ing target by a wide mile. I'm calling him a **** because he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo. Did I call you a prick? Oh no, you prick! :D

[Ginola's Son]

I think you've had a few too many son, you're making a fool of yourself. Go and have an early night.

He did miss by much at all really.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=jrio;81217]


Very tough man behind a keyboard. Im a **** for disagreeing with you? How intelligient you look for slagging off players just because they miss a penalty.

Im not as smart as you or as many on here but at least i have morales.

Shame that we have to end up abusing eachother once again because we have different opinions.

[jrio]

[QUOTE=jrio;81217]


Very tough man behind a keyboard. Im a **** for disagreeing with you? How intelligient you look for slagging off players just because they miss a penalty.

Im not as smart as you or as many on here but at least i have morales.

Am I tough? No, but grow up. Chimbo missed the goal by a WIDE MILE. Replay the footage. You're defending that. The keeper didn't even have to make a save.

[wayne wonder]

can we all calm the **** down??

or im sending u all on the hammers board ans see what real problems are like :p

[Ginola's Son]

Well there's only one bloke on here being a knob tonight.

[jrio]

I think you've had a few too many son, you're making a fool of yourself. Go and have an early night.

He did miss by much at all really.

Watch it again, son. A few spectators may be levying claims for injuries.

[TURKISH]

More morale then the spurs dressing room at present.

I knew i spelt that wrong! :confused: LMTO.

[Keanoldinho]

The lot of them are ****s for losing to a team that we're better than. FFS and if you miss a penalty it's your fault for missing that peno so it's JJs fault for missing his peno and Chimbos for missing his. It's the whole teams fault for letting it go to penos ****s the lot of them. I only got to watch the first half but ffs we were all over them. We're to inconsistant I can't wait for the ****ing summer.

[Ginola's Son]

Sod off Keano.

[spursmadnick06]

Is it really a miss if the keeper saves it?

[peterc]

Is it really a miss if the keeper saves it?

As long as one does not shoot straight at the keeper.;)

[Spur]

Is it really a miss if the keeper saves it?

Keepers shouldn't save penalties, they shouldn't be given a chance.

Even my girlfriend said he was shit for it, she knows **** all about football.

It never even went "near the net" she said, that'd she's be able to do better.

I had to agree.

[Ginola's Son]

Keepers shouldn't save penalties, they shouldn't be given a chance.

Rubbish!! That's why they call it a lottery. Its mind games between the goalie and a taker. Saving penalties is something a keeper dedicates himself too, but its not something a on-field player thinks as much of.

[Keanoldinho]

Sod off Keano.



Why because I said our team is a bunch of inconsistant ****s. If we can beat chavski 2-1 in a cup final we've got absolutely no excuses for losing to this lot over 2 ****ing legs. I'm never proud of the lads when they get beat **** that shit I hate losing. Half these ****s came out in the 1st leg and thought we could just walk all over psv the dose ****ing ****s we lost this tie in the 1st ****ing leg because we didn't ****ing show up. I don't blame JJ and Chimbo for us losing I blame the whole team for that but I do blame them for missing THEIR penalties ****s the lot of them.

[wayne wonder]

Does anyone think robbo dived way too early? and the one he saved he went late?

[Keanoldinho]

Is it really a miss if the keeper saves it?

If it doesn't go in the back of the net it's a ****ing miss ffs what kind of question is that

[Ginola's Son]

Why because I said our team is a bunch of inconsistant ****s. If we can beat chavski 2-1 in a cup final we've got absolutely no excuses for losing to this lot over 2 ****ing legs. I'm never proud of the lads when they get beat **** that shit I hate losing. Half these ****s came out in the 1st leg and thought we could just walk all over psv the dose ****ing ****s we lost this tie in the 1st ****ing leg because we didn't ****ing show up. I don't blame JJ and Chimbo for us losing I blame the whole team for that but I do blame them for missing THEIR penalties ****s the lot of them.


'****s' '****s' '****s'

You'll moan for every single defeat going, we have to win every game or your life isn't worth living. We have played a HECKUVA a lot worse then that against crapper teams. This team are NOT shit. They are at the TOP of the Dutch league. They knocked arse out of the C-league last season. They are one of the best teams around...and we wiped the floor with them for great periods of the game. We've had more glory then we could have ever dreamed of this season. Anyone who spits their dummy out tonight is shitting on what Ramos has acheived so far.

So say I!

[jrio]

If it doesn't go in the back of the net it's a ****ing miss ffs what kind of question is that

It's not a miss, it's a save.

[Ginola's Son]

Its also a miss.

[peterc]

It's not a miss, it's a save.

That definitely makes sense.

[TURKISH]

'****s' '****s' '****s'

You'll moan for every single defeat going, we have to win every game or your life isn't worth living. We have played a HECKUVA a lot worse then that against crapper teams. This team are NOT shit. They are at the TOP of the Dutch league. They knocked arse out of the C-league last season. They are one of the best teams around...and we wiped the floor with them for great periods of the game. We've had more glory then we could have ever dreamed of this season. Anyone who spits their dummy out tonight is shitting on what Ramos has acheived so far.

So say I!

Yer sums everything up for me. We go into next season with a cup and a great manager and a possiblity of bringing in top class players.

[Keanoldinho]

It's not a miss, it's a save.


for the keeper it's a save for the taker it's a miss;)

[Keanoldinho]

'****s' '****s' '****s'

You'll moan for every single defeat going, we have to win every game or your life isn't worth living. We have played a HECKUVA a lot worse then that against crapper teams. This team are NOT shit. They are at the TOP of the Dutch league. They knocked arse out of the C-league last season. They are one of the best teams around...and we wiped the floor with them for great periods of the game. We've had more glory then we could have ever dreamed of this season. Anyone who spits their dummy out tonight is shitting on what Ramos has acheived so far.

So say I!



Oh ffs I don't moan about every defeat and you've done your fair share of moaning on here to so don't go get all high and mighty now. I'm pissed because we lost to a team we were clearly better than and didn't show up in the first leg. I'm happy we won the Carling Cup and Ramos is a great manager but now our season is effectively over and it ****ing shouldn't be.

[jrio]

for the keeper it's a save for the taker it's a miss;)
It's only a miss if you don't hit the target. Then it's a save. Try kicking a ball against a target. If you don't hit it, guess what? You missed it. If I run out and stop it, it wasn't. :D

[Spur]

Rubbish!! That's why they call it a lottery. Its mind games between the goalie and a taker. Saving penalties is something a keeper dedicates himself too, but its not something a on-field player thinks as much of.

Keepers can't reach 30% of the goal!

Keepers shouldn't save penalties!

[fluke]

A rough night and I understand people being so upset.

We made the Dutch Champions look very ordinary tonight, this time last year we were having trouble making any decent side look ordinary. That's the real progress IMO and I'm happy with that and a trophy in the bag. Trust me when I tell you that most sides are not going to look forward to playing Spurs next season and that's a situation that hasn't existed for a long time.

Just wanted also to quote Beckham when he was asked if penalties were "saved or missed". He answered without pausing "missed". I figure he would probably know.

[Keanoldinho]

It's only a miss if you don't hit the target. Then it's a save. Try kicking a ball against a target. If you don't hit it, guess what? You missed it. If I run out and stop it, it wasn't. :D



ok Einstein if you take a peno and you don't hit the back of the net then you obviously missed it whether the keeper saved of you fired it wide


we could argue about this all nite I'm stubborn and just cracker open a beer after getting home from my shitty little job.:D

[Defoe8]

So where should you strike the perfect penalty?

Research carried out by Liverpool John Moores University came up with at least one definitive solution, as Professor Tom Riley revealed.

"A well-placed ball, high to the corner, will not be stopped by the goalkeeper even if he anticipates it. There is not enough time to react, so a kick placed in this area would have a 100% strike rate.

But it's an interesting alternative to the conventional theory that you will often hear from professionals, managers and commentators.

Hitting the inside of the side netting, low down just inside either post is often the target for a penalty taker.

According to Professor Riley's theory, it has a greater chance of being saved - as unless the ball is well struck, the keeper can still reach it.

[peterc]

Keepers can't reach 30% of the goal!

Keepers shouldn't save penalties!

Can't really see you being a great keeper then Spur;)

[TURKISH]

So where should you strike the perfect penalty?

Research carried out by Liverpool John Moores University came up with at least one definitive solution, as Professor Tom Riley revealed.

"A well-placed ball, high to the corner, will not be stopped by the goalkeeper even if he anticipates it. There is not enough time to react, so a kick placed in this area would have a 100% strike rate.

But it's an interesting alternative to the conventional theory that you will often hear from professionals, managers and commentators.

Hitting the inside of the side netting, low down just inside either post is often the target for a penalty taker.

According to Professor Riley's theory, it has a greater chance of being saved - as unless the ball is well struck, the keeper can still reach it.

Bit late for that now! You should of been giving the penalty team talk!:D

[Ginola's Son]

Oh ffs I don't moan about every defeat and you've done your fair share of moaning on here to so don't go get all high and mighty now. I'm pissed because we lost to a team we were clearly better than and didn't show up in the first leg. I'm happy we won the Carling Cup and Ramos is a great manager but now our season is effectively over and it ****ing shouldn't be.

I'll only moan when we have played football that is insulting. This is not the case tonight. It wasn't last week either. It was V Birmingham and Newcastle away this season.

Our season is over and we have achieved one of our directives. Saying 'our season is over' usually denotes a nothing season. This is not a nothing season.

[Keanoldinho]

top corner without a doubt is the best place to hit a peno and I didn't need professor ****ing Riley to tell me that

how many penos hit to the top corner have you seen saved compare that to penos hit to the bottom corner you've seen saved it's a ****ing land slide

[jrio]

ok Einstein if you take a peno and you don't hit the back of the net then you obviously missed it whether the keeper saved of you fired it wide


we could argue about this all nite I'm stubborn and just cracker open a beer after getting home from my shitty little job.:D

OOOhhh, look at you! You must be ****wit central!

Think about it. If you didn't win, you must have lost. Except you could have drawn. Mmmmm, too much time in the USA has warped your judgement. :eek:

[Ginola's Son]

Jrio - One pint for you is one pint too many.

[Baleinho]

also youve gotta look at the fact that Gomes is just a pure freak of nature. He looks like 'Mr Tickle' from the Mr Men. All them arms n legs at freakishly long lengths...

[jrio]

GS - One thought in your head is one more than you have the mental capacity to cope with.

[Keanoldinho]

I'll only moan when we have played football that is insulting. This is not the case tonight. It wasn't last week either. It was V Birmingham and Newcastle away this season.

Our season is over and we have achieved one of our directives. Saying 'our season is over' usually denotes a nothing season. This is not a nothing season.



You moan when you feel like moaning ffs what would you be happy if I posted some shite like this


"Great game by the lads we were sooooo unlucky I'm happy anyway we played well even though we lost yaaaayy gooooooo tottenham"

**** THAT SHIT our 1st leg performance wasn't ****ing good enough plain and simple and if you think it was then you're a ****ing idiot

I'm pissed because we should've beat that lot we have better players and a better manager. Some of our players didn't give 100% especially in the first ****ing leg and they're ****s for that and I'm sure Ramos will be shipping quite afew players out in the summer.

[Keanoldinho]

OOOhhh, look at you! You must be ****wit central!

Think about it. If you didn't win, you must have lost. Except you could have drawn. Mmmmm, too much time in the USA has warped your judgement. :eek:



ok ****wit the target is the back of the net right

so if you don't hit the back of the net you missed it right

doesn't matter how you missed it fact is you missed it right

[jrio]

doesn't matter how you missed it fact is you missed it right

Everything's not black or white.

[Keanoldinho]

Everything's not black or white.


I'm not talking about everything though am I

I'm talking about ****ing penalties in a game of football and it is black and white so to speak

either you score or you miss as a penalty taker

either you get scored on or you make a save as a goalkeeper


plain simple straight forward you understand yet?


****n drunks they'll argue about anything:D :p

[Spur]

Can't really see you being a great keeper then Spur;)

Oi! I've saved 4 out of 6 this season and that's probably about my save rate for the past few years from pens.

[singapore spur]

Oi! I've saved 4 out of 6 this season and that's probably about my save rate for the past few years from pens.


you didnt save them , the penalty takers missed em , did u not read this thread ;)

[Gino Ginelli]

also youve gotta look at the fact that Gomes is just a pure freak of nature. He looks like 'Mr Tickle' from the Mr Men. All them arms n legs at freakishly long lengths...

Have to agree. Their Keeper was dominant around their six yard box. Any high ball into that area was claimed by him every time. Very impressive.

Bit erratic though eh?

And all you need for a good penaly is conviction. Pick your spot early, don't change your mind at the last second, and hit it hard. If the keeper guesses right, then fair do's, it's a 50-50 chance.

However, being astute in these situations helps, as when a keeper moves early, ie Robbo last night, the taker can be quick enough to aim the opposite direction. Just don't confuse yourself. If you believe you'll score, you generally will.

I always go low into the bottom right hand corner. Hitting across the goal with your good foot can result in you dragging it, ie Chimbonda. Unless of course you're fantastic, ie Berbatov. Or two footed like me and can really bamboozle the keeper. Best penalty taker I saw was Giuseppe Signori for Lazio. Only ever took one step, hit it with his left with such ferocity, the keeper barely saw it.

I utterly bricked it when I saw Zokora step up. I just resigned myself to defeat at that point. I nearly spat my whiskey out (yes, I needed one for my nerves) when he scored!

[Spur]

you didnt save them , the penalty takers missed em , did u not read this thread ;)

I would actually agree with that, just for the reason that penalty takers just shouldn't ever miss penalties.

[MiloMinderbinder]

All you can do on pens is hit the target, if the keeper saves it fair dos. If you miss the target however, you are a gimp. Having said that JJ's pen was equally as poor as Gimponda's, he telegraphed it, hit it at the optimum height for the keeper and didnt put any power in it. All players should watch Dimi and marvel at the way he takes a pen, the arrogance is breathtaking!

There is no way players who actually step up to the plate ought to be criticised for not scoring in a pen shoot out, what many fail to take in to consideration is how mentally and physically tired the players are when pens come around, I should imagine many experience that rubber legged feeling.

However, one chap can take some flak, Robbo gave the worst perfomance I have ever seen from a keeper in a shoot out, dived way to early on all bar one pen (the one he saved), making the takers mind up for them.

[olly27]

Rubbish. Someone has to miss all we'd be there all night. As much as players are trained on penalties, keepers are trebly trained how to save them. Robbo as we know is crap at pens although his one save was a good'en.

And to say that just cos they are on bigs bucks, doesn't mean they can't feel the basic human emotion of nerves. They are humans after all

Heads up to Zokora, for a man that specializes in row z, what a penalty.

Absolutely spot on..I am quite frankly baffled by those who think a penalty should be scored every single time. Its just not going to happen. Players will always feel pressure in these situations and the ones who cope with the pressure better will most likely fair better. Utter rubbish to blame it on the penalty takers...we had 3 n half hours of playing time to win this match..am with Turkisk on this definitely.

Ramos says its a lottery...and the mans right.

[olly27]

Keepers can't reach 30% of the goal!

Keepers shouldn't save penalties!

Your right..or at least your right in an ideal world. Problem is it isn't carried out in an ideal world. Pressure and circumstance can change everything.

[TURKISH]

Your right..or at least your right in an ideal world. Problem is it isn't carried out in an ideal world. Pressure and circumstance can change everything.

Yep ramos said it perfectly:

"Every player in the Premier League is capable of scoring a penalty but you cannot train for the pressure in a situation like that," said the former Sevilla coach.

"When it comes to the fifth penalty it is heads or tails what happens.

"Penalty shootouts are a lottery.

"I've never lost a penalty shootout before and it hurts. In our dressing room, every one is sad because we came so close to pulling it off."

[Spur]

Your right..or at least your right in an ideal world. Problem is it isn't carried out in an ideal world. Pressure and circumstance can change everything.

There is absolutely no excuse for missing a penalty, unless you want to admit to being weak.

Several things in football just shouldn't happen. Foul throws is one. Passing across the box is another. Missing penalties is one too. These are things that should NEVER happen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to a shoot-out in the WC Final or Semi's. But nowhere else.

Missing penalties is absolutely criminal.

[RuFuS]

the target is the back of the net right

so if you don't hit the back of the net you missed it right


No the object is to get the ball over the line to score a penalty. :p

[irishspur]

Yeah its not jj's or chimbo's fault they just guessed wrong. Young o'haras bottle, zokora scorin one, having never scored before, and bent, whose confidence was rock-bottom, scoring were great to see. At the end of the day their keeper was way better than ours and that got them through. btw where the HELL were lennon and steed? Surely they would have been much better than chimbo, who only scores with his head(or his arm:p )

[choda]

It's not what you want a game to come down to, it is something of a lottery. Mind you, they had more players with good technique and the better keeper in goal.

Hopefully when we have 3 new midfielders and a new keeper next year if a game has to be decided by pens we will have a better pool/line-up for it.

[choda]

Yeah its not jj's or chimbo's fault they just guessed wrong. Young o'haras bottle, zokora scorin one, having never scored before, and bent, whose confidence was rock-bottom, scoring were great to see. At the end of the day their keeper was way better than ours and that got them through. btw where the HELL were lennon and steed? Surely they would have been much better than chimbo, who only scores with his head(or his arm:p )

That was my point on another thread. How many times have you seen JJ bottle it? And Chimbo is a defender with not great technique. Zokora. Why did they take pens?

I ****ing knew they might miss.

O'Hara has more bottle in his left testical than JJ has in his whole body and more ability to boot. He could be a proper player in the future.

[TURKISH]

Does anyone remember jj missing a penalty is a tournament trying to dink it down the middle and Sir Bobby Robson going ****ing mental at him.

[mjbmedia]

he had more guts than Lennie or Mal , he stepped up ,they went hiding and can get out the squad IMO

[jrio]

he had more guts than Lennie or Mal , he stepped up ,they went hiding and can get out the squad IMO
What would be the point of them volunteering and blazing the ball over the bar? Remember Batty against Argentina in the 98 WC? If you're not confident then volunteering is sheer stupidity. It's not about guts, it's about temperament and some players don't have it. You might as well say that German players are the gutsiest in the world.

[Spur]

he had more guts than Lennie or Mal , he stepped up ,they went hiding and can get out the squad IMO

Well he was El Capitan, he is supposed to lead by example. Testicular fortitude is one of the things a leader has to show.

Future England skipper as well by the way. Many moons ago it was pointed out.

[Spur]

What would be the point of them volunteering and blazing the ball over the bar? Remember Batty against Argentina in the 98 WC? If you're not confident then volunteering is sheer stupidity. It's not about guts, it's about temperament and some players don't have it. You might as well say that German players are the gutsiest in the world.

Well said.

[Indianspur]

i blame bent for not scoring or creating with all the time on the pitch..im sure if we had defoe the chances of nicking one before penalties would have increased,
bent is just not the class we need although would be good for a midtable team not pushing for europe

[Rojoknapp]

defoe was not much better than bent at all. ever. we can't just blame defeat on darren bent. give him a break, hes got something like 6 goals for us, but in 12 starts i think. thats a goal every two starts, so why is everyone determined to have a go at him??

[deadleyledley]

jenas was out on his feet.
i know he was captain but surely the most conditioned player should take the penalty.
that should be zokora or lennon.
but malbranque,bent and hudd should have scored in the 90mins

[mjbmedia]

so Lennon and Mal can do dead ball taking, as they have done many times, but cant kick a penalty, ****ing useless bottlers, do we want bottlers in our squad? You might, i ****ing dont.
If as youve previously said Spur a pro player should never miss a penalty, why the **** didnt Mal and Lennie step up to take one then, theyre surely more adept at that sort of thing than Zok or certianly Chimbo, but while they went hiding, the guy who's clearly leaving us and has already handed in a transfer request shot patheitcially wide ( any coincidence i wonder that he wasnt 'allowed' to leave) meanwhile two guys that youd think want a future here stand on the half way line bricking it and show their true colours.

re Jrios point, id much rather have people who are adept at striking a dead ball well stepping up to take the pens on the bosses orders than merely those players who 'fancy it' but dont do dead ball situations.

Maybe and its a big MAYBE if mal and/or Lennie had stepped up we'd still be in it , we' ll never know cos they aint big enough to find out and that for me is utter bollox for £25k+ a week.

[StevenYTID]

Yeah , heres my two pennies worth .
Gomes might be a decent keeper but the guy can't catch numourous times in that match and the first leg he parried rather then catching.
And yes JJ and That **** missed it but I feel sorry for JJ because he puts his heart and soul into a game , he might be shit at times but he's a player I'm so love hate with one minute I'll love him when hes banging in an equaliser against arsenal in the last kick of the game the next minute I'll hate him for missing a penalty.
Yes we should of won , but at the end of the day we didn't theres no point in holding onto this grudge against the players , they get stupid amounts of money to do what they love but it really pissed me off that Lennon and Mal bottled it .
But what can we do ?
We can't make them feel more worse then they already do and theres one thing which hurts more then anything is dissapointment and last night you can see this was true , so instead of insulting each other over pointless shit isn't there a few positives we can draw from this , yes we lost but we played a team who beat Arsenal in the CL last year as its been said before.
One bad game doesn't make you a shit player however all I can say is after Robbo's shoot out perfomance , Juande must not of been that impressed and to me that signals the end of Robbo in goal for us.
**** knows who we get to replace him but at the end of the day , this is why I'm a fan of spurs and always will be they might have me jumping for joy on a day like the CC final but have my heart in my mouth like wednesday so apart from this , I'll say pick up as many points as we can but at the end of the day ,this season has a succesful to have Ramos win a cup under 4 months really shows off his charachter and impresses me as I'm sure it does the lot of you and if you don't feel impressed well I'm slightly ****ing worried for your sanity.

[Defoe8]

I'm just pissed off with Gilberto more than anyone, what the fvck was he doing in the 1st leg!!

[StevenYTID]

I really don't know mate but theres not much we can do now is there.

[jrio]

Maybe and its a big MAYBE if mal and/or Lennie had stepped up we'd still be in it , we' ll never know cos they aint big enough to find out and that for me is utter bollox for £25k+ a week.

Utterly irrelevant as they're not paid 25k+ a week solely to take penalties.

[Ginola's Son]

The truth is, Lennon or Mal's penalties would have sucked and they didn't fancy being the scapegoat.

[singapore spur]

im not sure why everyone is banging on about lennon taking a kick in front of others .
what is their in his game that supports the idea he is any good at pens ? his game is built on speed and trickery , i think he is weak on delivery and power and precision .
also i think he is an instinctive player and he is best when he doesnt have time to weigh the options and just does what comes naturally , so i dont think him stepping up for a pen would be the right choice anyway .

as regards missing penalties , the greatest players in the world miss em occasionly ,( except le tissier and even he may have missed one , once ) and noone is saying we have the greatest players ever so ....

[wayne wonder]

To be honest i wouldn't want Lennon takig a pen he'd probably **** it up and pass to the keeper! Steed on the other hand has taken pens before and really should have taken one maybe he was next on the list?

It was chimbo and his ego wanting to be the star he stepped up and ****ed up simple as!!Oh + he wasn't in the original 5 so we cant really complain because JJ really should have hit that ball properly because he's a bit of a ***** sometimes!

[peterc]

There is absolutely no excuse for missing a penalty, unless you want to admit to being weak.

Several things in football just shouldn't happen. Foul throws is one. Passing across the box is another. Missing penalties is one too. These are things that should NEVER happen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to a shoot-out in the WC Final or Semi's. But nowhere else.

Missing penalties is absolutely criminal.

You might think it's criminal, however, Gus Poyet thinks differently:


Despite the club's defeat to PSV, Poyet believes the experience of a shoot-out will stand the players in good stead for the future.

He added: "It was a great and fantastic experience for some of our players.

"Some of them had that walk with the ball from the middle of the pitch to the penalty spot for the first time and that will bode very well for them in the future.

"I wasn't the best at penalties when I was a player, but I told the players you can only miss if you take one, the players who never miss are the ones who don't take one."

[Spur]

You might think it's criminal, however, Gus Poyet thinks differently:


Despite the club's defeat to PSV, Poyet believes the experience of a shoot-out will stand the players in good stead for the future.

He added: "It was a great and fantastic experience for some of our players.

"Some of them had that walk with the ball from the middle of the pitch to the penalty spot for the first time and that will bode very well for them in the future.

"I wasn't the best at penalties when I was a player, but I told the players you can only miss if you take one, the players who never miss are the ones who don't take one."

I don't care. Throughout the world of time everyone knows it is criminal to miss penalties.

Oh and Pete, get your tongue out of JJ's ringpiece. As soon as JJ misses a peno it's not his fault blah, blah, blah. But when Defoe misses one:

Just confirms what Ihave always thought of Defoe, overated. Can't even score a penalty.
Like the consistency.

[mjbmedia]

I don't care. Throughout the world of time everyone knows it is criminal to miss penalties.
So Chimbo is going to jail?

[Spur]

im not sure why everyone is banging on about lennon taking a kick in front of others .
what is their in his game that supports the idea he is any good at pens ? his game is built on speed and trickery , i think he is weak on delivery and power and precision .
also i think he is an instinctive player and he is best when he doesnt have time to weigh the options and just does what comes naturally , so i dont think him stepping up for a pen would be the right choice anyway .

as regards missing penalties , the greatest players in the world miss em occasionly ,( except le tissier and even he may have missed one , once ) and noone is saying we have the greatest players ever so ....

Too true and something overlooked by many. He can't strike a ball so why are there people having a go at him for not doing something we wouldn't want him doing anyway?

Lennon gets credit from me for being a bottler on Wednesday. He would only have missed anyway. The big pansy.

[Spur]

So Chimbo is going to jail?

In footballing terms he's on death row.

[wayne wonder]

why do people keep bringing up defoe? its so boring!! he doesn't play for us ANYMORE so i couldn't give a **** if he's scoring for anyone else!!

[mjbmedia]

In footballing terms he's on death row.
can i press the button?? :D

[Spur]

can i press the button?? :D

I reckon Juande is standing next to it.

To think we could've got 12mil from Chels in the summer. Now we're resigned to losing him for even a third of that because he's such a big, moany ****.

[irishspur]

so Lennon and Mal can do dead ball taking, as they have done many times, but cant kick a penalty, ****ing useless bottlers, do we want bottlers in our squad? You might, i ****ing dont.
If as youve previously said Spur a pro player should never miss a penalty, why the **** didnt Mal and Lennie step up to take one then, theyre surely more adept at that sort of thing than Zok or certianly Chimbo, but while they went hiding, the guy who's clearly leaving us and has already handed in a transfer request shot patheitcially wide ( any coincidence i wonder that he wasnt 'allowed' to leave) meanwhile two guys that youd think want a future here stand on the half way line bricking it and show their true colours.

re Jrios point, id much rather have people who are adept at striking a dead ball well stepping up to take the pens on the bosses orders than merely those players who 'fancy it' but dont do dead ball situations.

Maybe and its a big MAYBE if mal and/or Lennie had stepped up we'd still be in it , we' ll never know cos they aint big enough to find out and that for me is utter bollox for £25k+ a week.

Ur right about lennon and mal, surely they would have done better than chimbo.:(

[irishspur]

Too true and something overlooked by many. He can't strike a ball so why are there people having a go at him for not doing something we wouldn't want him doing anyway?

Lennon gets credit from me for being a bottler on Wednesday. He would only have missed anyway. The big pansy.

Surely u mean the little pansy:D

[olly27]

There is absolutely no excuse for missing a penalty, unless you want to admit to being weak.

Several things in football just shouldn't happen. Foul throws is one. Passing across the box is another. Missing penalties is one too. These are things that should NEVER happen.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to a shoot-out in the WC Final or Semi's. But nowhere else.

Missing penalties is absolutely criminal.

When you say miss...do you mean miss the target..or not scoring from the penalty? If the latter how would you expect a penalty shoot out ever to be resolved? Penalty misses are actually quite frequent. I would endorse your comments if they were complete freaks. The fact is they arn't. Didn't Friedel save two penalties last season...I think against Sheff U? during the normal course of the game. Whether you acknowledge it or not...different players will handle pressure better than others. I gurantee you that players miss way more due to being affected by pressure than their actual technique as a footballer.
Fo example Jenas has a lot more technique than Zokora, who couldn't hit a barn door. If somebody said to you who would you fancy more to score a penalty who would you say...naturally Jenas...In this case(the other night) Zokora handled the pressure a lot better

[jrio]

I reckon Juande is standing next to it.

To think we could've got 12mil from Chels in the summer. Now we're resigned to losing him for even a third of that because he's such a big, moany ****.
I took that 12m rumour with several pinches of salt.

[Keanoldinho]

The advantage with a penalty is always with the taker. You're 12 yards out smack bang in the middle of the box with no defenders around you it's alot easier to score than it is to miss.

The reason alot of players miss is because they're stupid and think they're better than they really are. If you don't have the technical ability of Berbatov or Kaka then you've no business doing anything other than putting your laces through the ball and sending it 80+ mph towards the top corner.

Ramos also made a statement in his post-match interview on the official site that shows he places part of the blame for losing on JJ

"It came down to penalties and if JJ had scored, we’d have gone through."

[MiloMinderbinder]

Has anyone actually taken a penalty? I've taken one in a match all I am saying is I was more nervous doing that in front of 3 men and a dog than I was when I gave my speach at '61's wedding in front of 250 people.

Anyone can kick a ball, not anyone can kick a ball in the direction they want it to go in and even fewer do so under immense scrutiny/pressure.

[Keanoldinho]

Has anyone actually taken a penalty? I've taken one in a match all I am saying is I was more nervous doing that in front of 3 men and a dog than I was when I gave my speach at '61's wedding in front of 250 people.

Anyone can kick a ball, not anyone can kick a ball in the direction they want it to go in and even fewer do so under immense scrutiny/pressure.



I've taken plenty of penos and I've taken one in a shoot-out I've also taken one in a cup final. I'm a striker when I play and I always take penos and I'm no Berbatov so I always ****ing blast in the top corner works everytime.

I've only ever missed once and that wasn't entirely my fault but I still ****n hate to think about it. The pitch was a ****ing mess inside the 18 yard box it had been raining and there was all kinds of divets in the pitch there was a bump right infront of the peno spot and the ref wouldn't let me set the ball beside it so when I ran up and planted my foot I slipped and fell on my hole ffs:( :mad: :D

[olly27]

Has anyone actually taken a penalty? I've taken one in a match all I am saying is I was more nervous doing that in front of 3 men and a dog than I was when I gave my speach at '61's wedding in front of 250 people.

Anyone can kick a ball, not anyone can kick a ball in the direction they want it to go in and even fewer do so under immense scrutiny/pressure.

Spot on. Most people in the game will tell you its a lottery and thats the way it is. It doesn't matter how may expert penalties you take in training you will never be able to replicate the conditions of penalty shoout out with large stakes. All proffessional footballers should be able to score a penalty of course they should... but the old psychology comes into play though as does pressure...some manage to focus...others just simply fold.

[MiloMinderbinder]

... but the old psychology comes into play though as does pressure...some manage to focus...others just simply fold.

Personally I folded faster than Superman on laundry day. But I got to retake it, then I hit the post. :mad:

I am crap at pens. :(

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;81490]I don't care. Throughout the world of time everyone knows it is criminal to miss penalties.

Well, we all know who can be stubborn Spur, I wonder who?:eek:

Oh and Pete, get your tongue out of JJ's ringpiece. As soon as JJ misses a peno it's not his fault blah, blah, blah. But when Defoe misses one:


Spur, must I remind you that Defoe is no longer a Spurs player and Defoe missed open sitters and penalties. Don't think Defoe was injured when he took his penalty, JJ's penalty was saved, Chimbo's was a complete miss, slight difference.:rolleyes:

[olly27]

I've taken plenty of penos and I've taken one in a shoot-out I've also taken one in a cup final. I'm a striker when I play and I always take penos and I'm no Berbatov so I always ****ing blast in the top corner works everytime.

I've only ever missed once and that wasn't entirely my fault but I still ****n hate to think about it. The pitch was a ****ing mess inside the 18 yard box it had been raining and there was all kinds of divets in the pitch there was a bump right infront of the peno spot and the ref wouldn't let me set the ball beside it so when I ran up and planted my foot I slipped and fell on my hole ffs:( :mad: :D

How many poeple were you playing infront of...out of curiosity?

I have taken a few before...I agree if your feeling the pressure you should just put your foot right through it...i would go low though...combing accuracy, height and speed on the ball is often the most difficult combination...when in a pressure situation. Going for the top corner full pelt is begging for a miss nearly i would say...but fair play if you pull that off regularly!

[Spur]

Well, we all know who can be stubborn Spur, I wonder who?:eek:

Spur, must I remind you that Defoe is no longer a Spurs player and Defoe missed open sitters and penalties. Don't think Defoe was injured when he took his penalty, JJ's penalty was saved, Chimbo's was a complete miss, slight difference.:rolleyes:

Still, how comes your arguments are different for different players?

And who mentioned Chimbo? Think you've well missed the point.

[Spur]

When you say miss...do you mean miss the target..or not scoring from the penalty? If the latter how would you expect a penalty shoot out ever to be resolved? Penalty misses are actually quite frequent. I would endorse your comments if they were complete freaks. The fact is they arn't. Didn't Friedel save two penalties last season...I think against Sheff U? during the normal course of the game. Whether you acknowledge it or not...different players will handle pressure better than others. I gurantee you that players miss way more due to being affected by pressure than their actual technique as a footballer.
Fo example Jenas has a lot more technique than Zokora, who couldn't hit a barn door. If somebody said to you who would you fancy more to score a penalty who would you say...naturally Jenas...In this case(the other night) Zokora handled the pressure a lot better

I mean if you don't score you've missed. Simple as. A penalty taker has so much more chance of scoring, and even 100% success rate if put in the right spot.

How many more times must I mention a keeper can't reach 30% of the goal? That's Thirty Percent! A keeper has no right to save a penalty.

You all seem to say that the pressure can get to them, fair enough. Funnily enough same people are blaming Robbo for us losing in the Peno's. Can't the pressure get to him? Clearly not in their eyes. 50k people all screaming at him and praying he lets one in and a ball being smacked at him from point blank range at over 50mph. No pressure :rolleyes:

As a side point, if a striker is in a one-on-one with only the keeper to beat. Would you expect him to score? Think everyone's answer will be YES.

[olly27]

I mean if you don't score you've missed. Simple as. A penalty taker has so much more chance of scoring, and even 100% success rate if put in the right spot.

How many more times must I mention a keeper can't reach 30% of the goal? That's Thirty Percent! A keeper has no right to save a penalty.

You all seem to say that the pressure can get to them, fair enough. Funnily enough same people are blaming Robbo for us losing in the Peno's. Can't the pressure get to him? Clearly not in their eyes. 50k people all screaming at him and praying he lets one in and a ball being smacked at him from point blank range at over 50mph. No pressure :rolleyes:

As a side point, if a striker is in a one-on-one with only the keeper to beat. Would you expect him to score? Think everyone's answer will be YES.

But why do they save so many..cos, in my opinion the pressure gets to the player, which affects their ability to take a good penalty..which the keeper shouldn't save, rightly so. The pressure is off the keeper, no comparison... the pressure is on the taker...never the keeper. You answered the question yourself...because the taker is expected to score.

Answer to your last question is yes. But you cant compare that either...thats happening in open play when there isn't anywhere near as much time to think about what your are going to do. The whole dynamic of a penalty shoot out is bound to be nerve wrecking with large steaks...comparing it to a one on one situation isn't the same - that can happen in a split second.

[olly27]

Thats my take on it anyway...its not an exact science...things happen, inexplicably too.

[Keanoldinho]

But why do they save so many..cos, in my opinion the pressure gets to the player, which affects their ability to take a good penalty..which the keeper shouldn't save, rightly so. The pressure is off the keeper, no comparison... the pressure is on the taker...never the keeper. You answered the question yourself...because the taker is expected to score.

Answer to your last question is yes. But you cant compare that either...thats happening in open play when there isn't anywhere near as much time to think about what your are going to do. The whole dynamic of a penalty shoot out is bound to be nerve wrecking with large steaks...comparing it to a one on one situation isn't the same - that can happen in a split second.


To answer your first question I was playing infront of at least 20-30 people most games can't really remember it's been awhile since I played on an actual team but I'm used to playing infront of that many people just like the Spurs players are used to playing in front of 30k+ week in week out.

The bold part in your post above is also not entirely true think about our 5th peno the one JJ missed. The amount of pressure on Gomes was the same if not more that was on JJ. He's at home and has to save this peno to keep his team in the game that's a hugh amount of pressure also he hadn't saved any of the previous 4.

I'm good at penos because they're ****ing easy to tell you the truth all you do is pick your spot before you start running, don't stand there and stare at it I usually stare right at the goalie but focus on were you want it to go then run up and ****ing blast it there. That's not very hard now is it especially if Spur is in goal.:D :p He's just another dodgy English keeper:eek:

[peterc]

Still, how comes your arguments are different for different players?

Some players are well overated, in my eyes JD one of them, while JJ does not seem to be such a bad player as a few of you tend to think. As Poyet says, at least they had the balls to tke the penalties.

And who mentioned Chimbo? Think you've well missed the point.

I'm mentioning Chimbo, because he missed the penalty whilst JJ's was saved. You might not think there is a difference, but others here seem to think differently. We are out because we should have played better in both legs, we lost too many chances in both legs, it's useless crying over spilt milk.

[Spur]

I'm mentioning Chimbo, because he missed the penalty whilst JJ's was saved. You might not think there is a difference, but others here seem to think differently. We are out because we should have played better in both legs, we lost too many chances in both legs, it's useless crying over spilt milk.

I see you've managed to dodge the point yet again.

[Ioang]

so Lennon and Mal can do dead ball taking, as they have done many times, but cant kick a penalty, ****ing useless bottlers, do we want bottlers in our squad? You might, i ****ing dont.
If as youve previously said Spur a pro player should never miss a penalty, why the **** didnt Mal and Lennie step up to take one then, theyre surely more adept at that sort of thing than Zok or certianly Chimbo, but while they went hiding, the guy who's clearly leaving us and has already handed in a transfer request shot patheitcially wide ( any coincidence i wonder that he wasnt 'allowed' to leave) meanwhile two guys that youd think want a future here stand on the half way line bricking it and show their true colours.

re Jrios point, id much rather have people who are adept at striking a dead ball well stepping up to take the pens on the bosses orders than merely those players who 'fancy it' but dont do dead ball situations.

Maybe and its a big MAYBE if mal and/or Lennie had stepped up we'd still be in it , we' ll never know cos they aint big enough to find out and that for me is utter bollox for £25k+ a week.

1. We'd be top of the table if Lennon was actually capable of putting the ball where he wants/it needs to go.

2. The shit Malbranque took last year with the own goal and the blame game, i'm sure he didn't want to be the scapegoat for another UEFA cup exit. He's human, fair do's. If players have serious doubts about taking penalties then they aren't going to take a good one. Fairplay to chimbonda for stepping up.

[mjbmedia]

just like to point out to anyone that cares that Defoe has scored three pens since joining Pompey :cool:

[Spur]

just like to point out to anyone that cares that Defoe has scored three pens since joining Pompey :cool:

Apparently we're not allowed to talk about players who don't wear our shirt :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[peterc]

Apparently we're not allowed to talk about players who don't wear our shirt :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You can talk about JD, Carr, Kanoute, etc, etc, they could be scoring ten goals a game. but they ain't coming back. Simple really.

[TURKISH]

just like to point out to anyone that cares that Defoe has scored three pens since joining Pompey :cool:

When he missed one for spurs he was deemed as shit and can't take penaltys!:rolleyes:

[peterc]

I see you've managed to dodge the point yet again.

The reason why I did not bother to discuss any further, JJ has been criticised because you think that his SAVED penalty threw us out of the UEFA, I think it more to the fact that we did not perform to our best on both legs. Afterall, we are all entitled to our own opinions.:rolleyes:

[jrio]

just like to point out to anyone that cares that Defoe has scored three pens since joining Pompey :cool:

2 - Sunderland and Birmingham. He's scored another 3 in open play.

[spursmadnick06]

Wouldn't be overly suprised if he scored against us, hope not!

[TURKISH]

Wouldn't be overly suprised if he scored against us, hope not!

The man allways scores against his old clubs. I got a feeling he will but can't see them beating us. But saying that if woody and king play then it will be hard for him.

[peterc]

Wouldn't be overly suprised if he scored against us, hope not!

And so could other ex Spurs players.

[MiloMinderbinder]

You can talk about JD, Carr, Kanoute, etc, etc, they could be scoring ten goals a game. but they ain't coming back. Simple really.

How about that Tony Galvin, do you think he'd get in the team ahead of Lennon now? :D

Players come, players go, get over it people. JD is gone, he is not coming back, we neither need or want him.

[Spur]

The reason why I did not bother to discuss any further, JJ has been criticised because you think that his SAVED penalty threw us out of the UEFA, I think it more to the fact that we did not perform to our best on both legs. Afterall, we are all entitled to our own opinions.:rolleyes:

Actually I think that Jenas' and Chimbonda's misses together sent us out of the cup.

Funny that eh?

[MiloMinderbinder]

Actually I think that Jenas' and Chimbonda's misses together sent us out of the cup.

Funny that eh?

Combined with Comic Robbo's comic goalkeeping "oh, that'll be the ball then".

[TURKISH]

Combined with Comic Robbo's comic goalkeeping "oh, that'll be the ball then".

LOOOOOOOOL

[peterc]

How about that Tony Galvin, do you think he'd get in the team ahead of Lennon now? :D

You never know KK, this world is full of surprises.
Players come, players go, get over it people. JD is gone, he is not coming back, we neither need or want him.

Well, some seem to think that the "legend of WHL" has left and we are now doomed.

[peterc]

Actually I think that Jenas' and Chimbonda's misses together sent us out of the cup.

Funny that eh?

Funny thing is, had we played to our best in both legs, it would have not got to the penalty stage.

[TURKISH]

Well, some seem to think that the "legend of WHL" has left and we are now doomed.

I allways felt the fans especially on here didn't rate defoe.

The only player who could get away with murder is keano. Remember when defoe missed a penalty and he got slagged off but when keane missed nothing was said.

[peterc]

I allways felt the fans especially on here didn't rate defoe.

The only player who could get away with murder is keano. Remember when defoe missed a penalty and he got slagged off but when keane missed nothing was said.

Mate, I will be honest and I never really rated Defoe, however, one can't blame JJ for us losing, we could have perfomed much better on the two legs, and we could have progressed without going into penalties. By mentioning any ex Spurs players won't change the result or bring those players back.

[TURKISH]

Mate, I will be honest and I never really rated Defoe, however, one can't blame JJ for us losing, we could have perfomed much better on the two legs, and we could have progressed without going into penalties. By mentioning any ex Spurs players won't change the result or bring those players back.

I 100% agree i think defoe was mentioned because he scored a penalty and people on here said he can't take a penalty.

The first leg ****ed us up not the penaltys imo.

[spursmadnick06]

I can only remember Defoe missing one penalty for us, he has taken his two at Portsmough very well so far.

[choda]

I allways felt the fans especially on here didn't rate defoe.

The only player who could get away with murder is keano. Remember when defoe missed a penalty and he got slagged off but when keane missed nothing was said.

That's a ridiculous statement mate. Essentially players are judged on their overall game, and Defoe got what he deserved.

Keane sometimes gets unbridalled abuse that isn't deserved. No player is exempt from criticism, but it must be tempered by the general performance of the player, of which Keane has been excellent in his whole spurs career and improving year on year.

You can't say that about Defoe. His limitations just stagnated him on a level below international class and all he proved was that he was a certain 3rd or 4th choice here.

People need to get over Defoe. He is scoring goals, so what. He is a goalscorer, I expected him to score goals. But taking him as a whole he is still no better than a pompey player.

[choda]

I 100% agree i think defoe was mentioned because he scored a penalty and people on here said he can't take a penalty.

The first leg ****ed us up not the penaltys imo.

I never said that. Some people will knee jerk over everything, pay no attention. He is a good pen taker.

[spursmadnick06]

It's a shame he didn't take his penalty against West Ham as confidentley as he has taken the two for Pompey so far.

[TURKISH]

That's a ridiculous statement mate. Essentially players are judged on their overall game, and Defoe got what he deserved.

Keane sometimes gets unbridalled abuse that isn't deserved. No player is exempt from criticism, but it must be tempered by the general performance of the player, of which Keane has been excellent in his whole spurs career and improving year on year.

You can't say that about Defoe. His limitations just stagnated him on a level below international class and all he proved was that he was a certain 3rd or 4th choice here.

People need to get over Defoe. He is scoring goals, so what. He is a goalscorer, I expected him to score goals. But taking him as a whole he is still no better than a pompey player.

That statement is true.

Most people on here don't rate defoe am i right?

Secondly when we played west ham and defoe missed a penalty 90% of people on here slagged him off called him shit, questioned why he takes penaltys saying he has a shit pen stats and then saying keano wouldn't off missed.

Then when we played arsenal at the emirates keano missed a pen and no one blamed him for costing us the game, but slagged deofe off.

Im not making this up im sure if you search the forum you will find this true.

It doesn't bother me people don't rate defoe overall just different opinions.:)

PS, i understand your point defoe got slagged off because of his overall game but i mean little things like penalty misses but then keane gets away with it.

[TURKISH]

I never said that. Some people will knee jerk over everything, pay no attention. He is a good pen taker.

Oh no not you mate i think this happened when you was on hiatus.

[spursmadnick06]

Defoe was loved by the Spurs fans, his name was always chanted loud and got a huge cheer when he came on.

Ask 99% of them and they'd sooner he was still here rather than Bent but oh well nothing we can do about it now but watch him go on to score week in week out for Pompey.

[jrio]

I can only remember Defoe missing one penalty for us, he has taken his two at Portsmough very well so far.
He missed one against Villa away 2 seasons ago as well, and I think City at home last season.

[RuFuS]

The only player who could get away with murder is keano.

He has scored over 100 goals for us which does gloss over some of his failings.

[Spur]

Defoe missed three for Spurs in all.