Jenas moving up a gear

[joshua_snodgras]

yes, yes i know he is a very discussed topic, and there are certain people on here, who regardless what he does hate him Its obvious how much is all round game has improved since Ramos took over, but the one thing that stands out to me is how much better his deliveries are. He used to be dreadful, ballooning the ball over the bar for freekicks and shitty corners, continually wasting set plays. Ive always stuck up for, and rated Jenas, but couldnt deny his poor set pieces.
However he seems to have taken a dramatic u-turn since Ramos took over, and actually have seen him recently whipping balls into the box, from which we score. Benders own goal against the gooners in the carling cup and woodys goal against chelsea are 2 recent ones which spring to mind.
If he can just improve his finishing, which i think he will, then he really will be becoming a consistently very good player. I think he could have a very, very big impact for us next season.

[TURKISH]

yes, yes i know he is a very discussed topic, and there are certain people on here, who regardless what he does hate him Its obvious how much is all round game has improved since Ramos took over, but the one thing that stands out to me is how much better his deliveries are. He used to be dreadful, ballooning the ball over the bar for freekicks and shitty corners, continually wasting set plays. Ive always stuck up for, and rated Jenas, but couldnt deny his poor set pieces.
However he seems to have taken a dramatic u-turn since Ramos took over, and actually have seen him recently whipping balls into the box, from which we score. Benders own goal against the gooners in the carling cup and woodys goal against chelsea are 2 recent ones which spring to mind.
If he can just improve his finishing, which i think he will, then he really will be becoming a consistently very good player. I think he could have a very, very big impact for us next season.

I think he was just hit and miss with jol all togeather. I memeber a set piece against chelsea when we beat them 2.1 in the league and he crossed in for dawson.

Consistency for me is the answer in why his getting praised, i thought of the same thing but jenas for some unknown reason gets slagged off when he doesn't do anything special a bit like defoe.

I love jj and its about time the spurs fans get behind him and sing his name.

[jrio]

yes, yes i know he is a very discussed topic, and there are certain people on here, who regardless what he does hate him Its obvious how much is all round game has improved since Ramos took over, but the one thing that stands out to me is how much better his deliveries are. He used to be dreadful, ballooning the ball over the bar for freekicks and shitty corners, continually wasting set plays. Ive always stuck up for, and rated Jenas, but couldnt deny his poor set pieces.
However he seems to have taken a dramatic u-turn since Ramos took over, and actually have seen him recently whipping balls into the box, from which we score. Benders own goal against the gooners in the carling cup and woodys goal against chelsea are 2 recent ones which spring to mind.
If he can just improve his finishing, which i think he will, then he really will be becoming a consistently very good player. I think he could have a very, very big impact for us next season.

It was very noticeable that he got accuracy and depth on his free-kicks yesterday. The same thing was noticeable with Lennon on corners. His improvement has been so dramatic that not only have most commentators remarked on it, but he's being talked about as a regular starter for England. A lot of us did say that if Ramos couldn't iron out the deficiencies in JJ, no one could. Like Lampard did at Chelsea a few years ago, he needs to build on this and drive on to become a top European player.

[spursmadnick06]

what energy he posseses! even at the end of extra time making driving runs into the corner. He is finally realising his potential!

[Spur]

He's a brand new player. This is nothing like he was a year back.

He has drive and determination, his running has got purpose, he breaks through the strikers regularly, he runs more with the ball, he's stronger in a challenge, and he looks physically stronger, which is helping with everything.

A couple of things though, sometimes he still shirks a challenge, one he could win if he went in with vigour, and he is perhaps becoming too fond of a dive or two. Needs to work on his left foot as it is non-existant, he got into a good shooting position on sunday but it was on his left he had to run and find someone else.

[deadleyledley]

i dont think he is moving up one gear i think he is moving up 2.
good energy and running.
he sholud take more chnces when he shoots i think

[Gino Ginelli]

We saw at Newcastle under Robson the talent and promise he had. I remember seeing his England debut when he started on RW ahead of Glen johnson at RB. I was very impressed, he had pace, energy and skill, not to mention delivery. "Future England captain?" I thought.

Ok so that was never quite realised, and as a Geordie friend I had at Uni said, Souness ruined him, and I guess Jol didn't help in the end, despite his upping him.

But whatever the circumstances, he finally looks like he's being the player he should be, he's got his confidence, and uses the bags of ability he has in every game. His physical presence isn't the strongest, but what he lacks in strength and tenacity, he makes up in talent, pace, agility and stamina.

Still... I think he'd be better as an 800m runner for GB in the olympics.

[deadleyledley]

i dont think he has the skill to motivate his players if he was captain.
but he does have the brains so there is a slight case for him to become one for any team

[peterc]

JJ has been slated quite a few times on this forum, most of the times for no reason, he has continued to improve his game and I hope that he will continue to prove his critics wrong.

[SurreySpur]

Ive said on this forum many times that JJ has all the attributes to be a top player but he seemed to lack the drive and mental strength that the Gerrards and Lampards of this world have.

Now it seems that he has added a bit of belief to his game and he is flourishing. His performances under the Ramos regime have been seriously impressive, so much so that i would say he was one of the top central midfielders in the premier league now alongside Steven Gerrard and Cesc Fabregas.

If he can continue this upturn in form he could fulfill his potential and turn into one of the best all-round midfielders in Europe.

[SurreySpur]

JJ has been slated quite a few times on this forum, most of the times for no reason, he has continued to improve his game and I hope that he will continue to prove his critics wrong.

He wasnt slated for no reason Peter. He was slated because his performances were consistantly dreadful and his contribution to the team was minimal which irritated fans because we all knew that he had real potential to be a big big player for spurs, it was just very frustrating.

[TURKISH]

He wasnt slated for no reason Peter. He was slated because his performances were consistantly dreadful and his contribution to the team was minimal which irritated fans because we all knew that he had real potential to be a big big player for spurs, it was just very frustrating.

The same player who was our top goal scorer and gave the team assist? The same player who works his socks off just as much as he does now?

I think because we are more attacking these days with width makes it easier for jj to concentrate on his game.

People on here pick on certain players but wont say a bad word on players who don't do half as much as jj does. What does hudd ever do apart from giving the ball away at every chance he gets it? Or zokora who cant pass, shoot or being clever in shielding the defence?

All thats change with jj is juande has given him direction and consistency.

[peterc]

He wasnt slated for no reason Peter. He was slated because his performances were consistantly dreadful and his contribution to the team was minimal which irritated fans because we all knew that he had real potential to be a big big player for spurs, it was just very frustrating.

He was slated on quite a few occasions for no reason and was blamed for games we lost, one can always look back to the past threads and it is there to prove. He was not consistantly performing but coming to think of it, who was?

[hodgy]

we all new he had the potential it was just someone who needed to bring it out of him.

[TURKISH]

He was slated on quite a few occasions for no reason and was blamed for games we lost, one can always look back to the past threads and it is there to prove. He was not consistantly performing but coming to think of it, who was?

Spot on! Its allways jj or defoes fault. Like when defoe missed a penalty people on here was slagging him off saying he shouldn't of took it, keano would off scored jd has a shit record with penaltys. But what happened when keane missed two penaltys on the spin? Nothing all what was said was i would like berba to take them.

[Gino Ginelli]

For his first two seasons here, he was mostly shit. No drive, erratic and negative passing, didn't use his pace or skill, and missed a string of ridiculously easy chances, as well as dissapearing from games for long periods.

The last 10 games or so of last season, after he lost his England place, was where he started to noticeably improve. A bit more commitment was creeping in, determination and belief. He was shooting more and passing more creatively.

This season began in the same vein, with his performance at Old Trafford in the Prem being a standout for him. But since Jol left and Ramos took over, the leash has been let off, and we are now seeing his true ability. His passing is still erratic, veering from sublime to essentially giving the ball to the opposition. But those runs with the ball, and the bursting into the box. That's new, and happens more frequently as the season goes on.

JJ is going to be our MVP (to coin an Americanism) next season if he keeps this up, if not already.

[singapore spur]

sometimes i think jj thinks he has cracked it , gets complacent and his form dips , i think with ramos though he will keep his feet on the ground , knuckle down , and work 110 % and at the end of the day if his engine keeps ticking , he can have the world at his feet .

6 cliches on the trot , not even greavsie would beat that .ching ching

[shakey18]

He was slated on quite a few occasions for no reason and was blamed for games we lost, one can always look back to the past threads and it is there to prove. He was not consistantly performing but coming to think of it, who was?


What do you mean "...for no reason" ?.A player doesn't get slagged off for no reason!.He was slagged off because his performances were not good enough.He was also criticised because we all know that he has all the tools needed to be a cracking player player, but he just wasn't delivering on a regular basis.We all want JJ to be the player we know he can be.Under Ramos he's suddenly using that great fitness all game, his deliveries are SO much better, and he seems to want it more.The proof of this is the amount of praise JJ is now getting all across the various Tottenham boards, and from the press in general.

[SurreySpur]

I believe another big reason for JJ's improvement is Gus Poyet.

If anyone can teach JJ how to be a proper all-round attacking midfielder its Gus!!

[choda]

The difference is night and day. How anyone can argue it is beyond me. Now he is positionally far better, makes intelligent runs, doesn't make stupid passes and give it away, can suddenly cross and actually has some presence in the middle.

As for his set pieces, he has turned into a quality set piece taker overnight!

My main criticism of him now is that he still doesn't control the passing, but neither do Gerrard and Lampard, so there you go. It doesn't seem to matter much in the premier league if you play direct like Chelsea do and have 200 million in talent, but it does matter in the cl and international football.

I reckon we need an Alonso or basically any spanish international midfielder or something similar to play with him and do what he can't do, at least at present, as we want to play it through midfield and also want to impact the cl at some stage.

Actually JJ could learn how to control the passing from watching O'Hara as like Scholes he is a very rare breed in the English ranks in that he can control a game with intelligent passing. He has done it in numerous games including in the league at Highbury.

Ps Turkish, Defoe was criticised because he was a selfish, brainless little rabbit killer. Scored goals mind you, but that was often at a cost too, as he usually took the ball in deeper positions and ran selfishly almost every time. It's fine being totally selfish when you have a chance in the box, but not before that. And his goal record plummets in the prem in relation to lower opposition in the domestic cups, hence the rabbit killer tag.

[mjbmedia]

I think because we are more attacking these days with width makes it easier for jj to concentrate on his game.

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absolutely mate, two wide men open upthe midfeild considerably givng JJ the room to run into, not much point in running into trouble is there, ask MAL !!

Before there was never much room to make use of in the midfield unless somebody had been pulled woefully out of position then JJ would use that space, nowadays thers more space to use duto us keeping two men out wide more often and our full backs using the wings too more, so JJ has more room to pass and run into or dribble with it and so does so. His decisions on the ball are generally good, previously he didnt have many options but sidewards or back to keep possesion, now he has more forward options and opportunities and takes them well.

Also agree with SPur, GUS is having a monumental effect on our squad 1-1.

[TURKISH]

The difference is night and day. How anyone can argue it is beyond me. Now he is positionally far better, makes intelligent runs, doesn't make stupid passes and give it away, can suddenly cross and actually has some presence in the middle.

As for his set pieces, he has turned into a quality set piece taker overnight!

My main criticism of him now is that he still doesn't control the passing, but neither do Gerrard and Lampard, so there you go. It doesn't seem to matter much in the premier league if you play direct like Chelsea do and have 200 million in talent, but it does matter in the cl and international football.

I reckon we need an Alonso or basically any spanish international midfielder or something similar to play with him and do what he can't do, at least at present, as we want to play it through midfield and also want to impact the cl at some stage.

Actually JJ could learn how to control the passing from watching O'Hara as like Scholes he is a very rare breed in the English ranks in that he can control a game with intelligent passing. He has done it in numerous games including in the league at Highbury.

Ps Turkish, Defoe was criticised because he was a selfish, brainless little rabbit killer. Scored goals mind you, but that was often at a cost too, as he usually took the ball in deeper positions and ran selfishly almost every time. It's fine being totally selfish when you have a chance in the box, but not before that. And his goal record plummets in the prem in relation to lower opposition in the domestic cups, hence the rabbit killer tag.

BULL:D You wont change my opinion on defoe i will not listen to you!:cool: bent cant even run at defenders let alone score goals. Whats bents ratio against big teams? Jd scored aginst chelsea the other week he could of had a hattrick. You say deofe is brainless then why is he so respected? Is bent? Has bent got a football brain? Bent hasn't linked up well with any of our strikes and i cant ever see him doing so.

[spursmadnick06]

Jermaine Defoe was a far better striker for Tottenham than Bent will ever be. As for not being able to score against the big teams, i think he's already proven that to be untrue in his short time at Pompey.

I can't see Bent lasting much longer than the summer.

[choda]

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BULL:D You wont change my opinion on defoe i will not listen to you!:cool: bent cant even run at defenders let alone score goals. Whats bents ratio against big teams? Jd scored aginst chelsea the other week he could of had a hattrick. You say deofe is brainless then why is he so respected? Is bent? Has bent got a football brain? Bent hasn't linked up well with any of our strikes and i cant ever see him doing so.

Is he respected?

Would he not have been snapped up by any one of the manu, liverpool and chelsea for a cheap 9 million if he was worth more? They needed strikers and he was there.

They say he is good, but so do I. How good do they mean is the question and that was basically proven by their actions.

His goal record for us in the prem was 1 in 3, his record in the domestic cups is almost a goal a game. He destroys lower teams as he is a very good finisher but poor at creating space, and you just get it with poor teams and in training. I only meant there is a difference in his record against lower sides in comparison to decent opposition, not even top teams.

And a record proves a goalscorer not one goal against Chelsea on your new debut.

Add that to his selfishness and he's not really a top player, even if Harry says it 1000 times. Top finisher maybe but his movement and link play are appalling and at least one has to be good at his height.

Bent's record in the prem for Charlton was 1 in 2 and Defoe was 1 in 3 for us (before he was dropped by the way) as well as being a poor team player. Bent also adds to the team with his power, movement and aerial ability. It creates space.

Bent lost respect simply because he arrived to a depressed club, has not got a run, started to get abuse, has not gotten going to get his confidence and most people are having a knee jerk to this. Judge him when he has had a career here. He had that at other clubs and he was a valuable player.

He's not near Keane or Berba, not yet at least, but I'm telling you he could well become a prolific scorer for us and a real handful. I'd take him every day til Sunday ahead of Defoe, not least because he can also play with Keane or Berb.