Match Thread: Manchester United vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[shakey18]

If we play like we did on Tuesday, SKY will be seriously ****ed off!!.

[Indianspur]

Well before we kick-off we know were gonna concede!!!only way of wining is if score more than they do which is difficult against manu..... im going 2-1 spurs!! yid army!

[TURKISH]

I think it will be a tight game and hopefully the lads can concentrate and forget tuesday night.

I went for united because its such a hard place to win but hopefully we can pull it off.

[MarlowSpurs]

If we play like we did on Tuesday, SKY will be seriously ****ed off!!.

They will be its on BBC 1

[berbzy 'G']

Well put it this way, I can't see Spurs supporters coming out of Old Trafford singing '' Spurs are on their way to Wembley, Tottenhams gonna do it again ''...

[TURKISH]

Well put it this way, I can't see Spurs supporters coming out of Old Trafford singing '' Spurs are on their way to Wembley, Tottenhams gonna do it again ''...

You would be surprised mate. I went to old trafford years ago when glenn hoddle was in charge and we were losing 3.0 and we were singing glenn hoddles blue army till the whistle went in the rain. Mancs weren't even singing!

[berbzy 'G']

You would be surprised mate. I went to old trafford years ago when glenn hoddle was in charge and we were losing 3.0 and we were singing glenn hoddles blue army till the whistle went in the rain. Mancs weren't even singing!

I've heard there fans are shit, and only make noise when they're team score... But no doubt our supporters won't stop singing... :D

I'm just praying that we can do Arsenal and Man Utd in 1 week to stop everyone from refering to us as a small club, gets on my tits :(

[singapore spur]

going for a draw , more hope than expectation .
you know man u will score against us , but hopefully we have enough confidence about us , to get a couple as well

2-2

[Chewy]

I'm going to the game but have to sit with manure fans. Honestly can't see us getting anything from this but you never know - it is the FA cup after all...

COYS

[Keanoldinho]

**** man u 3-1 to the Mighty Spurs and Rooney to get a red card and Ronaldo to tear his ligaments and miss the rest of the season **** man u

[Ginola's Son]

We go in absolutely fearless!! Just play with confidence. Shatter theirs....

A draw would be good...

A win...even better

[JuicE]

I feel we may just lose it but i vote a draw with some hope!

[\jackdaw]

Would love to say a win for the mighty Spurs but to be honest I just cant see it .. going for a 1-1 draw if we get a bit of luck ... which we are due at OT.

[mjbmedia]

**** man u 3-1 to the Mighty Spurs and Rooney to get a red card and Ronaldo to tear his ligaments and miss the rest of the season **** man u
and so hand the title to Scum??? surely not.? miss our two games yeh but not the season.

i reckon draw, but a winning draw where we're unlucky not to win, then back to WHL for a floodlit classic where we win 4-3 extra time :cool:

[JuicE]

**** man u 3-1 to the Mighty Spurs and Rooney to get a red card and Ronaldo to tear his ligaments and miss the rest of the season **** man u

LOL i doubt that would help your fantasy league!

[Gino Ginelli]

I expect a really good game, this fixture usually is. But however good an account of ourselves we give, even if we're even better than Tuesday, Manure are a different kettle of fish to the Arse, especially in defence and goalkeeper. We know all about their attacking power, and forsee a long, tiring day ahead for Lee. I hope Steed can keep his composure on that flank as well. He tackles worse than Paul Scholes, and Ronaldo goes down quicker than an Edingburgh hooker during the general assembly of the church of scotland*.

Us to play brilliantly, Keano to hit the bar, Berba to play wank so that Fergie doesn't buy him, us to have 2 penalties denied, and 5 goals dissallowed because Van Der Sar "wasn't ready." Ronaldo to score a 50 yard free kick in the 98th minute.


* Thanks to Billy Connolly for the gag :o

[mjbmedia]

GG youve watched many Man u v Spurs matches then!!! :D

all the time in the 90s we'd outplay them then that ****** Robson would pop up to score in the last 5 minutes , then after that they were untouchable and left us behind.

[Welsh Spur]

**** man u 3-1 to the Mighty Spurs and Rooney to get a red card and Ronaldo to tear his ligaments and miss the rest of the season **** man u


Haha, if only. Draw for me. Replay at the Lane, where the 12th man will send us through.

[peterc]

If we play with the belief and passion like Tuesday night, we could win this game, I predict Manure 2-3 Mighty Spurs. COYS

[wayne wonder]

I've gone for a 1-1!!

I hope to be going sunday too so well happy!!! lets hope the ref's not blind this time let alone the linesman

[Keanoldinho]

good news lads Lee has no fear of playing against Ronaldo:D :eek: :(


http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/leehasnofear.html

[berbzy 'G']

I'd laugh if we won 5 - 1 :D

[mjbmedia]

good news lads Lee has no fear of playing against Ronaldo:D :eek: :(


http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/leehasnofear.html
got a feeling we may see Gunther in there

[Keanoldinho]

got a feeling we may see Gunther in there

I'd like that because Lee will get slaughtered and fed to the lions by Ronaldo

[berbzy 'G']

I suppose this game depends on wether players who have gone on the piss last night or Wednesday night... Such as Jenas, Lennon, Defoe, and King after the CC.... Hope they don't walk onto the pitch at Old Trafford feeling sick or anything, They've got to be 100% ready for this match...

[Chewy]

I doubt they'll be hungover from wednesday night on sunday mate.

[neilmcnab]

ronaldo pisses over most defenders,
lee is,nt that bad a defender, he hasnt even had a break in how many matches,
every1 else has, and in posesion he usually plays to feet on the floor,
he will always be under a lot of pressure and get lots of critisism,
cos most teams hav a right midfield/winger,
BUT I DO HEAR YOUR FEARS FOR MR LEE,
i think they may have a bit to much for us,this season.
but if we can hold the score down to 0 or 1 til half time,
AND IF WE TAKE OUR CHANCES, we will create some...THEN WE CAN WIN.

[RuFuS]

Well put it this way, I can't see Spurs supporters coming out of Old Trafford singing '' Spurs are on their way to Wembley, Tottenhams gonna do it again ''...

I've been there and seen us win in the cup.
Have a little faith.

DEFEATIST

I'm just praying that we can do Arsenal and Man Utd in 1 week to stop everyone from refering to us as a small club, gets on my tits :(

So if we beat them, we're suddenly a 'Big' club in everyones eyes ?
Beat chelsea as well in the final and we're on a par with Real,Barca etc etc ? :rolleyes:

Stuff what other supporters think or say. It's the continous negative crap that some of our supporters say that gets me.

Why dont you go and support your local pikey team ?
You dont like half the spurs team. You dont think we can beat anyone.Ever.
You believe eveything the Sun writes.
You get on my tits.

[deadleyledley]

we have to go in witha mentality of if we can beat arse 5-1 then why cant we do it against manure.
if we play like we did on tues then we should be able to beat anyone.

[deadleyledley]

Why dont you go and support your local pikey team ?
You dont like half the spurs team. You dont think we can beat anyone.Ever.
You believe eveything the Sun writes.
You get on my tits.
[/QUOTE]


top point mate.
y support a team when you know your not going to be in favour for them

[MiloMinderbinder]

Why dont you go and support your local pikey team ?
You dont like half the spurs team. You dont think we can beat anyone.Ever.
You believe eveything the Sun writes.
You get on my tits.



top point mate.
y support a team when you know your not going to be in favour for them[/QUOTE]

It's only a valid point if you're of the view that no one else is allowed a different opinion to you. I'm a diehard but I readily admit to being fairly negative, it could just be a defence mechanism to prevent yourself being badly hurt buy unrealised expectations.

[Indianspur]

chimbondas suspended and i take it gunters cuptied???
this means were fooked in defence with taino as right back..
hopefully kaboul can play there which wud seem like a strong defence but god knows what ramos will play!

[gazzaG8]

I'm going to the game but have to sit with manure fans. Honestly can't see us getting anything from this but you never know - it is the FA cup after all...

COYS


Same here mate, my brother in law is a season ticket holder up there so i'm sitting with him in the side opposite end to where our lot will be sitting.
hopefully get a draw, then beat them at the lane

[berbzy 'G']

I've been there and seen us win in the cup.
Have a little faith.

DEFEATIST



So if we beat them, we're suddenly a 'Big' club in everyones eyes ?
Beat chelsea as well in the final and we're on a par with Real,Barca etc etc ? :rolleyes:

Stuff what other supporters think or say. It's the continous negative crap that some of our supporters say that gets me.

Why dont you go and support your local pikey team ?
You dont like half the spurs team. You dont think we can beat anyone.Ever.
You believe eveything the Sun writes.
You get on my tits.


dont get out of your pram about it rufus, your boring me by constantly targeting my every word throughout the threads thinking of something negative to say about my comment... Your like some sort of hawk watching over me, get of my back and sort it out or target someone else if your not to afraid that they will start back at you...

[SurreySpur]

Tough place to go and get a result no matter what competition it is, but the lads confidence will be absolutley sky high and hopefully we can get a decent result.

1-2 Spurs.

[wayne wonder]

chimbondas suspended and i take it gunters cuptied???
this means were fooked in defence with taino as right back..
hopefully kaboul can play there which wud seem like a strong defence but god knows what ramos will play!

Nah gunter can play mate he's only cup tied in the league cup

[wayne wonder]

Same here mate, my brother in law is a season ticket holder up there so i'm sitting with him in the side opposite end to where our lot will be sitting.
hopefully get a draw, then beat them at the lane

Im sitting between the home and away fans ****ing great i dunno if i'l be able to contain myself because if we score and i jump up im ****ed!! if they score im ****ed cuz i wont be cheering lol

[TURKISH]

Im sitting between the home and away fans ****ing great i dunno if i'l be able to contain myself because if we score and i jump up im ****ed!! if they score im ****ed cuz i wont be cheering lol

Do what we did at old trafford when hoddlewas in charge, if were losing 4.0 5.0 just keep singing! Your on tv keep the lads singing wayne!

[berbzy 'G']

Im sitting between the home and away fans ****ing great i dunno if i'l be able to contain myself because if we score and i jump up im ****ed!! if they score im ****ed cuz i wont be cheering lol

lol it's horrible sitting with the home supporters, especially when your team is winning and you can't cheer... When we beat West Ham 4 - 3 I nearly got my head kicked inn cos I couldn't help going mad lol

[wayne wonder]

Ive done it many times before mate but i dont think i'll be able to contain myself this time and i dont wanan **** up the guys seat who im getting the ticket off. Hahaha imagine if i get the **** banned lol :p

[TURKISH]

Ive done it many times before mate but i dont think i'll be able to contain myself this time and i dont wanan **** up the guys seat who im getting the ticket off. Hahaha imagine if i get the **** banned lol :p

Give them hell wayne! The best memorys ive had is when we are losing but we still sing no matter what! We have the best away support in the league.

[gazzaG8]

chimbondas suspended and i take it gunters cuptied???
this means were fooked in defence with taino as right back..
hopefully kaboul can play there which wud seem like a strong defence but god knows what ramos will play!



Gunther isn't cuptied mate, he played in the replay against Reading

[berbzy 'G']

Who to score the first goal against us? :o

[Spur]

Berbatov first goalscorer Spurs two one.

[gazzaG8]

I still think we'll get a draw & beat them at the lane

[GOONHATER]

It's the best time for us to play them as all the boys will still be on a high as will us the glorious fans! 2-1 to the wembley boys.:D

[RuFuS]

Who to score the first goal against us? :o


You with every negative posting.

[berbzy 'G']

You with every negative posting.

That doesn't make sense, as usaul...

[hodgy]

spurs to win 2-1. and there excuse will be about being tired due to there mid week trip the money grabbing ******s. come on you spurs.

[jrio]

Man Utd: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Hargreaves, Giggs, Rooney, Tevez

Subs: Kuszczak, Anderson, Nani, Scholes, Simpson

Tottenham: Cerny, Tainio, Dawson, Huddlestone, Lee, Lennon, O'Hara, Jenas, Malbranque, Keane, Berbatov

Subs: Robinson, Kaboul, Boateng, Defoe, Gunter



As expected no King and Tainio fills in for Chimbo. Perhaps some surprise that Hudd is at CB and not Kaboul.

[Keanoldinho]

after seeing the line ups we just might be fecked not enough pace in defence but you never know this is the cup after all COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I expected Gunter to start at RB allowing Tainio to play in CM but Ramos knows best. I just hope we can scrape the victory it would be an amazing accomplishment to knock the arse and manure out of the cups in a week.

[\jackdaw]

Will find out how well Big Tom can tackle in defence today. We know he can pass the ball out well but will be a big big test for him today.

[matthius23]

You guys just see that Keano interview?

What a legend.

[hodgy]

lee at right back. o'hara at left back. interesting

[\jackdaw]

lee at right back. o'hara at left back. interesting



Lee is a right footed player .. often wondered why he never played right back.

[hodgy]

keannnooooo

[matthius23]

:D Get in Robbie!!!!!!! :D

[\jackdaw]

Get in there Keano .. fooking briliant ... great ball from Lennon.

[shakey18]

C'MAAAAAAAAN Keano!!!

[denis-cro]

coys !!!!!

[matthius23]

Excellent, did Steed just break Ronaldo??

[denis-cro]

Lee is shit again !!!!!!!!

[\jackdaw]

Crap .. was bound to happen .. they score as many goals as us for fun.

[denis-cro]

WTF we bought Gunter if he ain´t playing ?? **** off with Lee !!!!!

[denis-cro]

Jenas... !!! should have scored FFS !!!

[\jackdaw]

Considering the team we have put out today because of suspensions and injuries a pretty decent performance so far.

Could use Jenas pushing up more instead fo trying to hold the midfield . O'Hara doing well against the cheating **** Ronaldo lets hope they can continue.

If we get a draw out of this I will be well happy.

[matthius23]

Get in on target JJ!!! :mad:

[\jackdaw]

omfg how did Jenas put that so wide

[denis-cro]

Jenas !!!! come on, how did you missed that one ????????

[hodgy]

put your ****ing foot through it jj

[matthius23]

We're gonna get a pasting soon... gotta make these counter attacks count!!!

Gunter on.

[denis-cro]

Our support at Trafford is ****ing brilliant !!!!!!!!

[berbzy 'G']

Jenas and Lennon are having a bad second half

[berbzy 'G']

Our support at Trafford is ****ing brilliant !!!!!!!!


lol and we are the away fans!!!!

[denis-cro]

jenas is terrible today.... get him out !!

[\jackdaw]

25 mins to go on match clock.. whats that equate to in OT time.. 40 mins?

[denis-cro]

Dawson You stoopid **** !!!!!!!!

[\jackdaw]

Fair enough for penalty but no ****ing way a red card

[berbzy 'G']

****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCIFIN17YID]

****ing dawson, 2 - 1 to them now, **** sake and dawson got a red card. ffs.

[matthius23]

Brutal. But yes it was a pen and yes it was a red card.

Gotta get Kaboul on now I guess... we wont last 20 mins with a back 3.

:(

[\jackdaw]

After watching replay then aye it was a red

[berbzy 'G']

Boatengs a greedy ****!!!!!!! :mad:

[berbzy 'G']

put Defoe on and play 3 2 3

[\jackdaw]

put Defoe on and play 3 2 3

We have had 2 players sent off?

[matthius23]

We have had 2 players sent off?


hehe :D

I tell ya, this aint over. We've done well since Daws went off. But yeah, Defoe on... let's go for it!

COYS!!!

[denis-cro]

Defoe is ****ing rubbish !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[\jackdaw]

**** game over... we were doing well till Daws got sent off .. even after we were still pressing.

[SurreySpur]

3-1 and all over but i tell you fella's, im so ****ing proud of the team, we're rediscovering that Spurs Swagger. Yet again circumstances have gone against us as Old Trafford but in my opinion weve given an excellent account of ourselves.

Defoe and Boateng is a greedy little ****ers, with absolutley no composure and personally i would love to see the back of them.

[matthius23]

So harsh. So, so harsh. What a great effort... red card changed it, but we still looked like getting something out of it with 10 men.

Special mention to Tainio and O'hara... great performances.

Unlucky boys.

[berbzy 'G']

We didnt take our chances AGAIN... Berbatov of the post, Jenas straight threw on goal twice... Again we were the better side, but still end up losing... No King didnt help

[Ginola's Son]

You will never...NOT EVER see a Man United player sent off for handball in the box.

They needed a bit of help and they got it, we were brilliant again today. They edged it, but only after Daws went, not before.

We need to become one of the big four in order to win this game.

And now the Quadruple is off! Damn!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

jenas is terrible today.... get him out !!

uve said some daft things on here mate but that takes the biscuit. ****in stupid

[berbzy 'G']

Although Cerny had a good game I thought today... Whenever we put a goal keeper in a Spurs shirt, they have blunders... Even if we put Cech, Dida, or Casillas in a Spurs top, They'd be moderate

[nuttyhotspurs]

3-1 and all over but i tell you fella's, im so ****ing proud of the team, we're rediscovering that Spurs Swagger. Yet again circumstances have gone against us as Old Trafford but in my opinion weve given an excellent account of ourselves.

well said!!! tainio has surprised me more than anyone with recent performances, i have never been a fan of him but these are his best games in a spurs shirt. we were always going to struggle with that back 4. utd were fortunate with all 3 goals

[choda]

We played really well again. It was the missed chances by Jenas (after excellent runs), a makeshift back four and another poor Daws display that did us.

But we were very impressive again. We just need to continue developing and getting the new faces that we need.

Is Huddlestone the third best centre back we have at present after King and Woody? He has impressed me a lot in the last two games at cb. Reads it very well, looks like he knows what he is doing, strong and composed. Is he really a centre back?

And I am very impressed with Tainio's recent displays. I suggested for quite some time he was the man in the squad to play that role. I wanted to see how he could do there as he looks to me to be our most solid cm by some distance. As soon as Ramos saw him play there he knew he had found something. We are now a hell of a lot less desperate for a dm in my opinion.

[choda]

Although Cerny had a good game I thought today... Whenever we put a goal keeper in a Spurs shirt, they have blunders... Even if we put Cech, Dida, or Casillas in a Spurs top, They'd be moderate

That's nonsense mate.

[LifeTimeYido]

And I am very impressed with Tainio's recent displays. I suggested for quite some time he was the man in the squad to play that role. I wanted to see how he could do there as he looks to me to be our most solid cm by some distance. As soon as Ramos saw him play there he knew he had found something. We are now a hell of a lot less desperate for a dm in my opinion.

I agree they matey - he is looking the kind of player Jenas needs so he can actually have the freedom to go fwd and be an attacking midfielder and pull a few strings, and i have to admit, i have been well pleased with Jenas as well these last few games.

[peterc]

We could have got a result today, Dawson , without King he is a lost soul, partly to blame for their first and lets not talk about their second.:mad: Cerny played quite well except for that last goal bunder. Only sub that I am a bit wary is to take of Tainio who had a brilliant game and bring on Defoe, who practically did SFA.

[Milney yid]

Denis-cro... Do you actually like any Spurs players? Just on this thread you've had a go at the likes of Jenas, Defoe, Lee and Dawson. Our boys put in a fantastic performance at OT today, and were unlucky to not come away with at least a replay, and it seems all you can do it criticise.

[peterc]

Denis-cro... Do you actually like any Spurs players? Just on this thread you've had a go at the likes of Jenas, Defoe, Lee and Dawson. Our boys put in a fantastic performance at OT today, and were unlucky to not come away with at least a replay, and it seems all you can do it criticise.
If its constructive criticism, let it be, forums are there to make your opinion known. Some might agree , others might not. ;)

[berbzy 'G']

We could have got a result today, Dawson , without King he is a lost soul, partly to blame for their first and lets not talk about their second.:mad: Cerny played quite well except for that last goal bunder. Only sub that I am a bit wary is to take of Tainio who had a brilliant game and bring on Defoe, who practically did SFA.

even Lee played well today :S

[olly27]

Denis-cro... Do you actually like any Spurs players? Just on this thread you've had a go at the likes of Jenas, Defoe, Lee and Dawson. Our boys put in a fantastic performance at OT today, and were unlucky to not come away with at least a replay, and it seems all you can do it criticise.


I agree mate...everytime I read his posts its just this player is shite...get rid etc etc..

[olly27]

If its constructive criticism, let it be, forums are there to make your opinion known. Some might agree , others might not. ;)

Does that sound like constructive criticism to you? lol...he's shite..get rid!...hmmm!

[peterc]

even Lee played well today :S

Sure did Berb, wonder whether Defoe is going, he does not seem to be bothered.

[peterc]

Does that sound like constructive criticism to you? lol...he's shite..get rid!...hmmm!

I've read much worse, I'm sure you have too.

[choda]

even Lee played well today :S

He's a right back. Always defends pretty well. He actually looks like he needs a few games at right back to find his feet and positions at rb again.

The criticism he gets is idiotic. I'm not saying he will cut it in the Ramos revolution but to say he is SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!.... is just pure bile.

[olly27]

I've read much worse, I'm sure you have too.

I know Pete but it gets a bit much like every post you read is just slating a player for a mistake..its a bit relentless to be honest.

[peterc]

I know Pete but it gets a bit much like every post you read is just slating a player for a mistake..its a bit relentless to be honest.

Know where you're coming from, we take the loses in different ways, some just attack players relentlessly, other blame the manager and other blame the ref, asst refs etc. Thats football for you.

[olly27]

Know where you're coming from, we take the loses in different ways, some just attack players relentlessly, other blame the manager and other blame the ref, asst refs etc. Thats football for you.

Agreed. But when Spurs lose I am as dissappointed as any and get angry with the players too at times but I dont call them shite every sinlge time we lose.

[peterc]

Agreed. But when Spurs lose I am as dissappointed as any and get angry with the players too at times but I dont call them shite every sinlge time we lose.

As I have already said, we don't react in the same way.

[Ginola's Son]

United were throwing everything at us today, no dice, except for the Tevez moment, which was a shite goal compared to ours. Ours was football!

They got the refs help - as usual - Dawson arguably handled deliberately, had he been wearing red he'd have been given the benefit of the doubt.

I'm ****ing proud of the boys.

Especially O'Hara...this kid is fearless!

[denis-cro]

Denis-cro... Do you actually like any Spurs players? Just on this thread you've had a go at the likes of Jenas, Defoe, Lee and Dawson. Our boys put in a fantastic performance at OT today, and were unlucky to not come away with at least a replay, and it seems all you can do it criticise.

I must addmit that when i watch Spurs and they´re loosing, I get ****ing angry with any player who makes even some minor mistake.
I also addmit that my posts in match threads sometimes are little bit harsh towards our players, and that someone of You lads maybe is pissed off when reading my post, and I´m really sorry for my behaviour, but I can´t describe to You my passion for Spurs.
As not being English, or even Brittish ( I´m Croatian for those who don´ t know ) I probablly have different way of approach to Spurs´ games. The way of approach that You probablly don´ t understand cause there is no ManU, or Arse-anal, or Millwall or even Havant & W´ looville for me, cause whoever are we playing against I´m expecting mighty Spurs to win.
I understand that this is not reasonable thinking, but every Spurs´ match is like cup final match for me....
There is no any Croatian team that I´m supporting, there is no any other European team that I´m supporting ... Not even Croatian national team could make me passionate in the way I´ m passionate about Spurs...
So, for anyone of You being pissed off with my posts... I´m sorry but that´ s the way I´m supporting Spurs....

COYS !!!!!

[Ginola's Son]

You're not a supporter really are you.

Being a supporter is taking the bad with the good. Not turning on players after a brilliant battling performance against the best team in the country.

A real supporter would be proud.

[choda]

I think we are all on the same page as regards supporting the club.

[denis-cro]

You're not a supporter really are you.

Being a supporter is taking the bad with the good. Not turning on players after a brilliant battling performance against the best team in the country.

A real supporter would be proud.

I´m proud ...I´m ...but cmon, don´t tell me that You didn´t get pissed off when Jenas missed those two chances ??? Even Gary Doherty would score from that chances.... :o
If You want to beat ManU, You can´t afford to miss that...

[jrio]

We played really well again. It was the missed chances by Jenas (after excellent runs), a makeshift back four and another poor Daws display that did us.

Second one especially poor. Isn't this Jenas all over? 60 yard run and a dribble past the post?

Is Huddlestone the third best centre back we have at present after King and Woody? He has impressed me a lot in the last two games at cb. Reads it very well, looks like he knows what he is doing, strong and composed. Is he really a centre back?
That's where he played for Derby at 16 and gained many favourable reviews. Can easily see Ramos using a back 3 with him and 2 pacy FBs, like Hutton and Bale, as a tactical change.

And I am very impressed with Tainio's recent displays. I suggested for quite some time he was the man in the squad to play that role. I wanted to see how he could do there as he looks to me to be our most solid cm by some distance. As soon as Ramos saw him play there he knew he had found something. We are now a hell of a lot less desperate for a dm in my opinion.
I was very surprised he'd been reported as being available. What's the profit? A guy that plays nearly everywhere competently without complaint and sometimes exceptionally.

[choda]

I´m proud ...I´m ...but cmon, don´t tell me that You didn´t get pissed off when Jenas missed those two chances ??? Even Gary Doherty would score from that chances.... :o
If You want to beat ManU, You can´t afford to miss that...

The neighbours heard me shouting 'For **** sake Jenas!' on the second one.

But his running off the ball was great. Those chances were crucial and he paniced a bit unfortunately. He's playing great but he still has areas that need muchos work. I wouldn't blame him only for the result. I'd blame Dawson even more. We were right in the game until the blunders from Daws and the keeper.

I am proud of how we are playing though, we are very well coached and have a right go. But we do need some defenders because our two strikers and are exceptional and Lennon is tearing full backs a new one again. Surely everybody has to realise just how good Keane is now. He's ****ing sensational.

[jrio]

I´m proud ...I´m ...but cmon, don´t tell me that You didn´t get pissed off when Jenas missed those two chances ??? Even Gary Doherty would score from that chances.... :o
If You want to beat ManU, You can´t afford to miss that...

First one was on target for the corner and VDS made a very adept save.

Second one was shite and and he should have been shot. ;)

[wayne wonder]

And as for the Dawson witch hunt remember he was playing with a make shift left back, a centre midfielder(yes he might have played cb at derby) and a right footed left back.

Granted he's had a shit shit season but we cant just blame the lad we defend as a team

[jrio]

And as for the Dawson witch hunt remember he was playing with a make shift left back, a centre midfielder(yes he might have played cb at derby) and a right footed left back.

Granted he's had a shit shit season but we cant just blame the lad we defend as a team

Second goal looked very lame[against that dense, thick, traitorous, bullying, whinging tosser as well - modern Britain encapsulated in one man]. Still, he set in motion our first goal. So, cancelled out. I've always been a big fan of Dawson from when he imposed himself on his debut away to Liverpool. He may need to step up his game.

[choda]

Second goal looked very lame[against that dense, thick, traitorous, bullying, whinging tosser as well - modern Britain encapsulated in one man]. Still, he set in motion our first goal. So, cancelled out. I've always been a big fan of Dawson from when he imposed himself on his debut away to Liverpool. He may need to step up his game.

May need to? He's playing like a complete donkey mate. His positioning and reading has never been great, now it's shocking, he's not that quick and I know he pinged a great pass, but he's such a hoofer most of the time.

Would you not agree?

Before this season I loved his attitude and thought he was competent enough but I always felt he needed to learn positioning much better or we needed better.

Now I pretty much resigned with him unfortunately.

[shakey18]

I'm proud of the boys today.I reckon TT has showed what a difference playing in his preferred position can make, and O'Hara slotted into left-back well.Overall i think this performance shows we are going in the right direction.Now it's time to try and cut out the mistakes.

[TURKISH]

So proud of the wayboys went to old trafford and showed they can go there and win.

Hudd was great, jj wasn't his best game but still caused them problems, tt was a dreamboat in defensive midfield and o'hara is showing me he has a future at spurs.

Chris and prince also looked ok when they came on. I see another sunday and another bird defoe has been shagging!!!!!!!! He turning into russell brand!

[Ginola's Son]

KPB is SHITE!

You heard it here first.

[choda]

KPB is SHITE!

You heard it here first.

I think he has huge potential. It's only his first year and he's only 20. He had 14 assists last year and was young player of the year. I am excited about his prospects actually. I think he has huge amount of talent.

[jrio]

KPB is SHITE!

You heard it here first.

Underwhelmed so far. Very fond of the heeling the ball inside with his trailing foot and blazing a shot wide or over the bar.

[jrio]

I think he has huge potential. It's only his first year and he's only 20. He had 14 assists last year and was young player of the year. I am excited about his prospects actually. I think he has huge amount of talent.

He wasn't, if you mean in Bundesliga. He's won the equivalent of player of the year at youth level. We all know what that can mean and it's not much. He may have talent - I've seen little of it - but may be on the same path as Walnut is.

[choda]

He wasn't, if you mean in Bundesliga. He's won the equivalent of player of the year at youth level. We all know what that can mean and it's not much. He may have talent - I've seen little of it - but may be on the same path as Walnut is.

I was told he was the bundesliga player of the year. That is disappointing if true. But why would he get a youth award if he was in the senior side? And he still had 14 assists.

I think he could develop into a very fine player from what I've seen. He is very strong, skillful, two-footed and seems strong mentally. Granted he is still very raw, but I would certainly keep him and see how he develops.

[Ginola's Son]

He seems to have a flair for slow-running and silly fouls so far.

[jrio]

I was told he was the bundesliga player of the year. That is disappointing if true. But why would he get a youth award if he was in the senior side? And he still had 14 assists.


The assists figure appears to be a form of club propaganda. The correction on the former was seen on the Spurs Odyssey board.

[choda]

The assists figure appears to be a form of club propaganda. The correction on the former was seen on the Spurs Odyssey board.

Appears? What does that mean? You don't believe it could be true or you have facts that say it is untrue?

[wayne wonder]

KPB is so one paced its unreal and the way he gives free kicks away with stupid fouls does my head in.

Like many have said he's young and has to realise this league isn't the bundasliga this is the real deal :cool:

[jrio]

Appears? What does that mean? You don't believe it could be true or you have facts that say it is untrue?
One of the German based posters on SO greatly disputed it, putting it at about 3(from memory, thus "appears"). So far, he seems to have the upper hand on this.

[TURKISH]

KPB is so one paced its unreal and the way he gives free kicks away with stupid fouls does my head in.

Like many have said he's young and has to realise this league isn't the bundasliga this is the real deal :cool:

Give the lad time wayne, he may well end up being a shit buy but henry was useless in his first season. I think he will turn good.

Isit me or does o'hara look like he has a future here? I hope he doesn't turn into jonnie jackson!

[choda]

One of the German based posters on SO greatly disputed it, putting it at about 3(from memory, thus "appears"). So far, he seems to have the upper hand on this.

Okay, Jol must have had his opta stats wrong then, bit strong to say could be club propoganda. They would hardly have any need or care about such a small issue as to lie.

[choda]

Give the lad time wayne, he may well end up being a shit buy but henry was useless in his first season. I think he will turn good.

Isit me or does o'hara look like he has a future here? I hope he doesn't turn into jonnie jackson!

Oh yea, he does on the evidence shown so far. He's quality, passionate and confident.

Easily as good as Downing. What a pointless signing he would have been, but it was probably paper rubbish and scouts really looking at Woody.

[TURKISH]

Oh yea, he does on the evidence shown so far. He's quality, passionate and confident.

Easily as good as Downing. What a pointless signing he would have been, but it was probably paper rubbish and scouts really looking at Woody.

No downing better left winger and better attacking. I don't think o'hara is a left winger but he has such a great attitude that he will do his best on the wing. I think he is a centre midfielder and hopefully he will keep improving.

[jrio]

Okay, Jol must have had his opta stats wrong then, bit strong to say could be club propoganda. They would hardly have any need or care about such a small issue as to lie.
I wouldn't say it was a lie, more massaging the truth, or perhaps an unfortunate miscommunication of information. He wasn't a Jol purchase(do we need to go over this again?) and looks a lot more in the region of 3 assists than 14 from what I've seen. I'm trying to locate the post that I originally saw and will post if I find it.

[choda]

I wouldn't say it was a lie, more massaging the truth, or perhaps an unfortunate miscommunication of information. He wasn't a Jol purchase(do we need to go over this again?) and looks a lot more in the region of 3 assists than 14 from what I've seen. I'm trying to locate the post that I originally saw and will post if I find it.

Lol, you are never going to end your conspiracy theories on Commolli, are you? It's such a load of cock.

[choda]

I wouldn't say it was a lie, more massaging the truth, or perhaps an unfortunate miscommunication of information. He wasn't a Jol purchase(do we need to go over this again?) and looks a lot more in the region of 3 assists than 14 from what I've seen. I'm trying to locate the post that I originally saw and will post if I find it.

Much more likely if true.

[jrio]

Lol, you are never going to end your conspiracy theories on Commolli, are you? It's such a load of cock.

But not Cock and Dick! Are you still regarded as Martin's other brother? :D

You'll notice that, for whatever reasons, Bale apart, none of last summer's signings are playing a major part in the Ramos Revolution. Bent has injury after injury(like Mido last season), Kaboul has been slowly frozen out, whilst Boateng has played to very little effect. I'd wager Danny Rose has a greater chance of being a major influence on our season.

[gazzaG8]

Just got home from Manchester & can i just say how proud i am of the lads & the fans. I sat in with the home fans & was ****ing gutted i wasn't sat with the yid army but on the field & in the stands we gave a great account of ourselves
COYS!!!

[choda]

But not Cock and Dick! Are you still regarded as Martin's other brother? :D

You'll notice that, for whatever reasons, Bale apart, none of last summer's signings are playing a major part in the Ramos Revolution. Bent has injury after injury(like Mido last season), Kaboul has been slowly frozen out, whilst Boateng has played to very little effect. I'd wager Danny Rose has a greater chance of being a major influence on our season.

Let's not twist facts now Jrio. Jol, Commoli and the Chairman as a group may have made bad purchases, but let's even examine that.

Bent has not had a good run in the team. It was a crazy fee, especially for a third choice, but many are these days. Let's how that one goes over time. He will always get goals and with more confidence could be a powerful, pacey and prolific outlet with good movement. I think he is much better than Defoe.

Kaboul is very young and I'd imagine was bought with a view to easing him in given his age and inexperience in England. Let's not forget the talent this lad has and that Jol was said to be the main pusher for this one (by Spur61 and his very reliable source). I believe he may well turn out to be great business. He was a kid that started well and was thrown into a ship that was sinking.

Boeteng gets a mixed response from many on here. I like him. I think the price was not too high and he is again young and was not meant to go straight into the first team. He is one I feel who may become a very good player too, in time.

Overall I think we have bought pretty well in the last three years in the different DoF's and coaches we have had. Of course some will be failures, but that is natural. They say good managers get 3 out of 5 right and I think we have met that in previous buys and will again in the future, with good prices too I might add.

And I feel the group that makes decisions is strengthed a lot by Ramos instead of Jol. Another way I feel he is better than the big man.

My criticism of the spending this summer would not be so much of what we bought, but that of what we didn't buy. And that most of the Bent money should have been recouped by selling the less effective and less versatile Defoe. Cases that Ramos seems to be putting to the DoF and the chairman now.

That's the domain of the coach, what he feels he needs for the first team. And then they do their job in the system and they decide together as Keanoldinho outlined it. That's the DoF system. It's all pretty logical. I don't know how some people don't get it. Familiarity, I suppose.

[TURKISH]

Let's not twist facts now Jrio. Jol, Commoli and the Chairman as a group may have made bad purchases, but let's even examine that.

Bent has not had a good run in the team. It was a crazy fee, especially for a third choice, but many are these days. Let's how that one goes over time. He will always get goals and with more confidence could be a powerful, pacey and prolific outlet with good movement. I think he is much better than Defoe.

Kaboul is very young and I'd imagine was bought with a view to easing him in given his age and inexperience in England. Let's not forget the talent this lad has and that Jol was said to be the main pusher for this one by Spur61 and his very reliable source he talks to face to face. I believe he may well turn out to be great business. He was a kid that started well and was thrown into a ship that was sinking.

Boeteng gets a mixed response from many on here. I like him. I think the price was not too high and he is again young and was not meant to go straight into the first team. He is one I feel who may become a very good player too, in time.

Overall I think we have bought pretty well in the last three years in the different DoF's and coaches we have had. Of course some will be failures, but that is natural. They say good managers get 3 out of 5 right and I think we have met that in previous buys and will again in the future, with good prices too I might.

And I feel the group that makes decisions is strengthed a lot by Ramos instead of Jol. Another way I feel he is better than the big man.

My criticism of the spending this summer would not be so much of what we bought, but that of what didn't buy. And that most of the Bent money should have been recouped by selling the less effective and versatile Defoe. Cases that Ramos seems to be putting to the DoF and the chairman now.

That's the domain of the coach, what he feels he needs for the first team. And then they do their job in the system and they decide together as Keanoldinho outlined it. That's the DoF system. It's all pretty logical. I don't know how some people don't get it. Familiarity, I suppose.


Buying bent and then selling defoe still leaves you with 3 strikers. Why at the time would spurs want to spend 16million on a player who played for a team that got relegated and replace a striker that scored 18goals the previous season? Bent is one dimensional all he does is go inbehind and Ramos has stated that he wants defoe to stay hence the captains arm band against sunderland.

I wouldn't be surprised if actually bent was sold but then we would lose money, either way i want one of them to go.

[choda]

Buying bent and then selling defoe still leaves you with 3 strikers. Why at the time would spurs want to spend 16million on a player who played for a team that got relegated and replace a striker that scored 18goals the previous season? Bent is one dimensional all he does is go inbehind and Ramos has stated that he wants defoe to stay hence the captains arm band against sunderland.

I wouldn't be surprised if actually bent was sold but then we would lose money, either way i want one of them to go.

That's not one dimensional mate. One dimensional is like Defoe who has no real attribute that causes problems apart from a shot and finishing. Bent has movement, pace and strength to add to his goal record, which is also more prolific than Defoe.

Look, I know if you judge him on his spurs career he has not been great, but he was thrown into a bad situation and his goals to minutes is actually very good. I feel he never got a chance to become a spurs player as he came into a depressed squad and he also has not had a run to get going either. Give him time.

As for only having 3 strikers you can buy a youngster or use Peckhart when needed who is getting rave reviews. ManU don't even have more than 3 big shots. If they can all play together then you will only need the three almost always and can reinforce with a senior citizen or a very good kid. But it is great to have 4 top strikers if we have the other things we need too.

[choda]

Remember a lot of top sides are also quite happy to play 433 as their system or as an option when they want or need it.

[TURKISH]

That's not one dimensional mate. One dimensional is like Defoe who has no real attritibute that causes problems apart from a shot and finishing. Bent has movement, pace and strength to add to his goal record, which is also more prolific than Defoe.

Look, I know if you judge him on his spurs career he has not been great, but he was thrown into a bad situation and his goals to minutes is actually very good. I feel he never got a chance to become a spurs player as he came into a depressed squad and he also has not had a run to get going either. Give him time.

As for only having 3 strikers you can buy a youngster or use Peckhart when needed who is getting rave reviews. ManU don't even have more than 3 big shots. If they can all play together then you will only need the three almost always and can reinforce with a senior citizen or a very good kid. But it is great to have 4 top strikers if we have the other things we need too.


Yes we would say by a young striker or use perkart but would comolli and levy? We seem to like our 4 top strikers policy i feel having both bent and defoe is not a good idear as only one can truly shine and claim that 3rd strikers spot.

Bent one dimensional imo because he can't link up play and when he plays with keane or berba he isn't sharp enough in his head to know what there gonna do. Bent has done ok in his career nothing special for a 16million fee, im not judging him on his spurs career but his time at charlton and i wasn't impressed with him then.

I don't care what anyone says defoe is not one dimensional and alot of top managers rate him including sir alex. Defoe has great ability and theres no striker out there who like him.

Thats the way i see it, just like the way you rate bent. What i will say is the start of next season will be pivital as we need to bring in new strikers as berba and either bent/defoe will leave. The balance has to be right two big forward who can link play and keane and bent/defoe to run in behind ect.


Just a question on berba and keane partnership, when they play togeather berba drops off and links up play right? So when dimi goes can bent and keane strike up a partnership? I can't see bent winning many headers or being silky enough to link up play, so can it work?

[Keanoldinho]

To the people critisizing Boateng and Kaboul put yourselves in their shoes for a minute.

You move to a new country to a team full of potential and media hype top 4 this top 4 that. As soon as you get here the whole club goes head over heels and there's an internal power struggle and Tottenham becomes the joke of the EPL. Now your stuck in a new country on a new team surround by mass chaos and the media are ripping you a new one at every given opportunity. Plus they probably didn't have to much family here to talk with so they were just out here caught up in all the shit. These guys are only 20 years old and the club has just started to show some stability of late. That situation has to affect you especially if you're that young.

Give them time they didn't build up there reputations as being some of the brightest young talent in Europe by being shite they've both clearly got alot of potential and now they're surrounded by the right people to help nuture it and get them settled.

Ramos usually has both of them on the bench and is slowly easing them into the EPL where as especially with Kaboul Jol just threw them in the deep end.

[TURKISH]

Remember a lot top sides are also quite happy to play 433 as their system or as an option when they want or need it.

I can't see us paying that system until next season when ramos can make real changes. I like 442 it works for us and we will be a top side once defence is sorted out.

But we need to replace berba next season thats my main worry! Reminds me of when klinsmann left....very hard to replace.

[Spur]

I can't see us paying that system until next season when ramos can make real changes. I like 442 it works for us and we will be a top side once defence is sorted out.

But we need to replace berba next season thats my main worry! Reminds me of when klinsmann left....very hard to replace.

Key words.

Because Juande likes it too.

Unless he goes one at the back of course :confused:

One thing you cannot say about Juande is that he is predictable!

[TURKISH]

Key words.

Because Juande likes it too.

Unless he goes one at the back of course :confused:

One thing you cannot say about Juande is that he is predictable!

Well match the day couldn't work out his team selection!!!!!!!!!:D

[mjbmedia]

well MOD are dumb, it was obvious Lee would be right back and OHara left and TT holding, lets be honest they still think we're top four challengers :rolleyes:

I wasnt happy with our performance, we've been there before and deserved a win or draw at worst, but yesterday we didnt deserve anything from it and thanks to three individual defensive cock ups, and a few spurned chances, thats exactly what we got, sound familiar ?

[singapore spur]

To the people critisizing Boateng and Kaboul put yourselves in their shoes for a minute.

You move to a new country to a team full of potential and media hype top 4 this top 4 that. As soon as you get here the whole club goes head over heels and there's an internal power struggle and Tottenham becomes the joke of the EPL. Now your stuck in a new country on a new team surround by mass chaos and the media are ripping you a new one at every given opportunity. Plus they probably didn't have to much family here to talk with so they were just out here caught up in all the shit. These guys are only 20 years old and the club has just started to show some stability of late. That situation has to affect you especially if you're that young.

Give them time they didn't build up there reputations as being some of the brightest young talent in Europe by being shite they've both clearly got alot of potential and now they're surrounded by the right people to help nuture it and get them settled.

Ramos usually has both of them on the bench and is slowly easing them into the EPL where as especially with Kaboul Jol just threw them in the deep end.



good post , at the best of times it takes a season at least to bed into a new team , let alone a new country .

[Gino Ginelli]

Fact; Jenas was the single most influential player yesterday. Tireless support of attack, protection of the back four, getting stuck in with Carrick and Hargreaves, and his partnership with TT looks solid, combative and creative. He was also the main reason we didn't win this, mostly because if he'd finished those two gilt edged chances with a bang and a goal instead of a wet fart and embarresment, that game was ours.

Yes Dawson made two devastating blunders, and Ronaldo is such a greasy **** that he can still score shit goals when he's playing wank. But once we get that killer, decisive instinct in front of goal, we'll be putting opposition to bed before they get a chance to refind their feet.

I'll say this, and I know it's picky. We were getting pegged back after 25 / 30 minutes from the expected utd pressure, but did we really need to have all 10 men in our 3rd of the pitch. Example; In the run up to utd's first goal, Lennon got hold of the ball on the edge of our area. Only 3 united players stood between him and a clear run on goal. Okay it's a biggish ask, but did we break at that point? Did Lennon put on the afterburners and leg it up the pitch? Nah. He booted it all the way up to Van Der Sar who prompthly booted it straight back up. Okay Daws ****ed up, but I'd have liked to have seen us have more confidence and break more in those circumstances, rather than defend a one goal lead in the 30th minute (shades of the old Jolisms in the players there I felt). but anyway...

Lee did well, but couldn't keep it up. Hudd did pretty well but his mobility or lack thereof was exposed at times. O'Hara did amazing against the greasy one, but I'd have liked him to have booted him a few times rather than stand off all the time. JJ & Tainio. Dodgy shooting aside they again did an admirable in controlling the midfield. Steed looked average, while Lennon continues to impress and look so dangerous, I wouldn't have taken him off, especially for the wasteful 'Ghetto Kid'. I know he needs to settle in , but I'm of the opinion he's just shit.

KEANEO!!! Yeah he was alright wasn't he? Not quite as dangerous with his passing today, playing Lennon in etc, as he can be. Berbatov, again his touch is amazing and he brings the ball out of the air so well, he really does win so much in the air. Unfortunatley it wasn't quite happening for him either, probably due to hargreaves and Ferdinand allowing him approx 2 inches of space each time.

In the end, we played very well and deserved to earn the replay of not the win, but it was just that significant enough lack of quality at each end, that they didn't suffer, that made the difference. So while we are playing well, we still need to improve finishing and defensive organisation.

We play them again next weekend don't we, so let's show them how well we play when at home, and with the King at the back!!

COYS!!

[deadleyledley]

we played well but u have to take ur chances at OT.
y didnt ledley play surely this was an important game.
with him dawson plays well aswell.
also he is more disciplined with king there

[choda]

Key words.

Because Juande likes it too.

Unless he goes one at the back of course :confused:

One thing you cannot say about Juande is that he is predictable!

Unlike Jol I think Juande is very flexible in what he can do. I'm quite sure he can play any system and isn't adverse to any of them either.

He probably favours 442 all being perfect, but I doubt that means he will pick it if it doesn't suit the situation.

[Spur]

Unlike Jol I think Juande is very flexible in what he can do. I'm quite sure he can play any system and isn't adverse to any of them either.

He probably favours 442 all being perfect, but I doubt that means he will pick it if it doesn't suit the situation.

Always started off in 4-4-2.

Only when things aren't working does he move onto some baffling tactical changes.

After we drew with WHAM Curbs went on record as saying he was still trying to figure out what Juande had done!

[choda]

Always started off in 4-4-2.

Only when things aren't working does he move onto some baffling tactical changes.

After we drew with WHAM Curbs went on record as saying he was still trying to figure out what Juande had done!

Yea always started off with 442 with the players available, which anyone would have done. I'm talking about if we had 3 top versatile strikers and injuries.

I bet Wenger thought the same as Curbs for moments in the recent games too, and then moved swiftly into denial. I'm telling you Wenger has his limits, as proven especially in europe. He doesn't want to know when he loses, as he probably doesn't even know how it happened, and then behaves like an arrogant prick.

[choda]

Yes we would say by a young striker or use perkart but would comolli and levy? We seem to like our 4 top strikers policy i feel having both bent and defoe is not a good idear as only one can truly shine and claim that 3rd strikers spot.

Bent one dimensional imo because he can't link up play and when he plays with keane or berba he isn't sharp enough in his head to know what there gonna do. Bent has done ok in his career nothing special for a 16million fee, im not judging him on his spurs career but his time at charlton and i wasn't impressed with him then.

I don't care what anyone says defoe is not one dimensional and alot of top managers rate him including sir alex. Defoe has great ability and theres no striker out there who like him.

Thats the way i see it, just like the way you rate bent. What i will say is the start of next season will be pivital as we need to bring in new strikers as berba and either bent/defoe will leave. The balance has to be right two big forward who can link play and keane and bent/defoe to run in behind ect.


Just a question on berba and keane partnership, when they play togeather berba drops off and links up play right? So when dimi goes can bent and keane strike up a partnership? I can't see bent winning many headers or being silky enough to link up play, so can it work?

Berba drops off now and Keane is on the shoulder.

It used to be the other way around and Keane was the main link player, which is why I think Keane can easily play with Bent. But obviously Berba and Keane is the best by far.

If Sir Alex really rated Defoe though mate wouldn't he have bought him cheap from west ham or buy him now from us? I'm sure he likes him, and if I were him I'd have been interested in him as a youngster, but him saying he is good now is just what I say too. ;)

We don't hear all the rest though and I doubt Levy has gotten any JD offers from ManU.