Match Thread: Manchester City vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Jol's Yid Army]

Spurs are appealing the red card that Zokora got, knowing the ****s at the FA we have no chance that its gonna be overturned.

[choda]

Things are coming together nicely

But it still could have been acheived without some of the theatre. I won't forget it!

What did you expect mate? He's a great manager not the biblical Jesus. It is simply impossible to have done more than he has done so far. And we couldn't have had less luck at west ham and brum, but it was heading this way always, it was in the tactics and coaching details.

[Ginola's Son]

Well, to be fair, he was made out to be the biblical Jesus.

I just mean I will not allow us to forget the behaviour of the club this season, no matter how well we do this season.

[jrio]

Some peoples views on here makes you seem like you don't actually play football all you do is watch it.
Yeah, mate, we're just not in the same league as you, with all your hardened experience and insight. :rolleyes:

[Ginola's Son]

You don't have to have played the game to have a good insight into it.

[choda]

Well, to be fair, he was made out to be the biblical Jesus.

I just mean I will not allow us to forget the behaviour of the club this season, no matter how well we do this season.

What's done is done. It was the right decision. It could have been handled better but the chairman knows that and said as much.

It's time to move on.

Ultimately all that they did wrong was let it be known publicly. All the rest is just football. Jol talked to other clubs while here too.

We needed a better manager to get right up to the top end and they knew that. Jol did a good job and was very well paid to do it, but he was not able to take it further. That's just facts.

The board deserve far more praise than criticism because they knew what was required and got the man we need. Do people realise just how many clueless boards there are out there?

Despite the hysterical fan and media criticism our board has made the club very profitable, has provided massive funds to strengthen the squad, went out and got the expertise of Arnesan who changed this club creating an Ajax structure and employed Jol as first team manager. And now they have Commoli who recommended Ramos to take all the next steps. They are an excellent board, I've always said it.

[jrio]

Nope, I wouldn't expect a harder task, 2 - 0 up meant Bolton had to come at us, which an Allardyce team is singuarly unable to do without resorting to meat and drink long ball. City may well have struggled to break us down, in no small part influenced by the fact that 3 defenders were occupied by Berbatov. That's not to say I thought he was better last night than he was against Bolton, by virtue of the fact that the Bolton performance was the best I have ever seen by a centre forward, that would be impossible. But, you can't expect him to chase down everything, there's such a thing as only fighting the battles you can win. At times when down to 10 men one of the best things you can do is give the oppo time on the ball, ILOGICAL I hear you cry, but no it's not, it slows the pace of the game down, thus giving defenders the chance to reposition, spot their men and mark up.


Splitting hairs, it was 3-1 as they scored the penalty that got Keane sent off.

I don't think the defenders were a factor. City like to flood midfield and counter-attack. They're built to absorb pressure, but not to concede early goals, especially not at home. City don't employ that battering tactics that Allardyce did, most keenly seen when they came from 2 nil down at Stamford Bridge a few seasons ago to snatch a draw in the last few minutes.

I was surprised SGE took so long to take off Hamann. Maybe I shouldn't be as he was never quick to adjust tactics and personnel with England. A very sharp contrast to JR, who appears to have several cunning plans in place for every eventuality that may occur.

Choda's right in saying that the centre of our team was the key to victory. That's some achievement with the lack of CBs and the sending-off when Zokora had been looking so able. Defence and midfield moved in unison and we didn't allow ourselves to be moved around and exposed. Very noticeable that City were rarely allowed to set themselves up for a direct attempt on goal centrally from distance, Elano's free-kicks being their most likely avenue for a goal in that respect. In our third we were clearly under instruction to deny space and pressure the player in possession. The Petrov/Elano axis is a major fixture of City's attacks and we didn't give them great scope to institute many.

[jrio]

Well, to be fair, he was made out to be the biblical Jesus.


He is Jesus. Just wait until Easter. ;)

[MiloMinderbinder]

Splitting hairs, it was 3-1 as they scored the penalty that got Keane sent off.

I don't think the defenders were a factor. City like to flood midfield and counter-attack. They're built to absorb pressure, but not to concede early goals, especially not at home. City don't employ that battering tactics that Allardyce did, most keenly seen when they came from 2 nil down at Stamford Bridge a few seasons ago to snatch a draw in the last few minutes.

I was surprised SGE took so long to take off Hamann. Maybe I shouldn't be as he was never quick to adjust tactics and personnel with England. A very sharp contrast to JR, who appears to have several cunning plans in place for every eventuality that may occur.

Choda's right in saying that the centre of our team was the key to victory. That's some achievement with the lack of CBs and the sending-off when Zokora had been looking so able. Defence and midfield moved in unison and we didn't allow ourselves to be moved around and exposed. Very noticeable that City were rarely allowed to set themselves up for a direct attempt on goal centrally from distance, Elano's free-kicks being their most likely avenue for a goal in that respect. In our third we were clearly under instruction to deny space and pressure the player in possession. The Petrov/Elano axis is a major fixture of City's attacks and we didn't give them great scope to institute many.

The defenders themsleves weren't a factor, but if they had been allowed to Citry would have taken one off for a midfielder or striker, Berba's shift ensured they couldn't (well perhaps a more adventurous manager (JR!) would have done).

I agree that the centre of our team were outstanding, also I noticed O'Hara effectively shut down our left hand side when he came on, affording great protection to Lee, very mature display.

[Ginola's Son]

What's done is done. It was the right decision. It could have been handled better but the chairman knows that and said as much.

It's time to move on.

Ultimately all that they did wrong was let it be known publicly. All the rest is just football. Jol talked to other clubs while here too.

We needed a better manager to get right up to the top end and they knew that. Jol did a good job and was very well paid to do it, but he was not able to take it further. That's just facts.

The board deserve far more praise than criticism because they knew what was required and got the man we need. Do people realise just how many clueless boards there are out there?

Despite the hysterical fan and media criticism our board has made the club very profitable, has provided massive funds to strengthen the squad, went out and got the expertise of Arnesan who changed this club creating an Ajax structure and employed Jol as first team manager. And now they have Commoli who recommended Ramos to take all the next steps. They are an excellent board, I've always said it.


I know all this. I know.

But I just can't abide Martin's treatment. It's the way I am. I stand up for stand-up people.

I like Ramos though. Has a classy demeanour.

[choda]

He is Jesus. Just wait until Easter. ;)

When people ask me what I'm giving up for lent I always say 'religion.' :D

[olly27]

Berbatov did the work off 2 men tonight he was ****ing knackered. Everytime he got the ball he was holding it up like the world class player he is with Dunne and Richards all over him pushing and pulling him around. He was absolutely knackered. Nobody can run continuously for 90 minutes it's immpossible. When playing as a lone striker you have to play with your head more so than your heart or you'll fall over and die after about 65 - 70 minutes.


Absolutely spot on mate. Cant believe people are having a pop at Berba tonight. He was truly amazing at holding the ball up on his own despite making the wrong decision on a couple of occassions.On your own up front away from home would absolutely knacker you but some of his tocuhes and his control were just awsome.

This was a very good team perfomance. The improvement all over the park is vast. Better organisation, better fittness, better positional sense and when we craved 1 leader we now have numerous.

Those people who couldn't see an improvement a few weeks...DO YOU SEE IT NOW! :p

It might be a bit premature to say but i'll say it: Best signing in our recent history....Senior Ramos. I have no doubt he will prove to be.

[mjbmedia]

I thought his hold up play and educated work rate was far better in Fratton Park than yesterday. I thought he was mixed yesterday, he had some quality moments but I thought he could have been more resolute in holding it up and linking things to make sure he was the springboard for us to push up and push city back in.

Instead he was lax at times when the the ball was played into him and lost possesion or didn't gain control. And he didn't have the same purpose off the ball as the others. That doesn't mean that he had to, as a lone striker, chase headlessly out the wings or even back past the half way line, but he could have put in a far better shift and pressed the defenders much more. I thought the performance was far more due a terrific effort behind him than anything Berba did. But at least he has stopped being a total prima donna.
totally agree, dont think anyones knocking the guy, just out of possesion he didnt try much, if Berbs was knackered at the end how the **** were Mal and JJ feeling?????????????????

It epitomised what im getting at when Robbo kicked the ball out, it landed not more than 10 metres from where Berbs was standing, he didnt move for it at all but stood still moaning that it hadnt come direct to him instead of then challenging for it or at worst putting a bit of pressure on the City defender who had to control it.

now its ok to say he was great cos we won, but at the time it was 1-0 we were under a lot of pressure and unless the ball was at his feet he didnt put a great deal of effort into the cause.

With the ball he was totally awesome tho not perfect, without it he was too lazy and without it we were playing with 8 outfield players yet Berbs gets MOM from a lot of forums :o

[olly27]

Brilliant performance, my hat off to SENOR RAMOS, he is proving that he is the right man to take us further, I'm 100% certain now that he will take us to the glory days.


Duly acknowledged!!!!:)

[olly27]

im thinking this is a serious question ,not just to wind one person up right??

Gotta be asked to be honest, three games out= our best three games of the season, is it coincidence? is it just Ramos taking effect? is it Keanes a crap captain?? btw who was captain without him i didnt even notice anyone whinging :p

id leave him on the bench and start with Berbs and Defoe on Saturday

Are you serious?????? Keaane is a class act so its got sod all to do with him being out. Its the Ramos effect...you think Kaboul, Robinson, Jenas, Steed et al have all improved that much cos Keane is out of the side...your having a laugh...not being funny but cant believe you asked the question in the first place...the improvement is in the team not cos one player is missing!

[mjbmedia]

Are you serious?????? Keaane is a class act so its got sod all to do with him being out. Its the Ramos effect...you think Kaboul, Robinson, Jenas, Steed et al have all improved that much cos Keane is out of the side...your having a laugh...not being funny but cant believe you asked the question in the first place...the improvement is in the team not cos one player is missing!
it was a wind up for Choda who loved it, i think :D

[choda]

Don't ask me for a prediction but I am looking forward to it. I feel we can win, but they are a very good side at home. 2-1 to spurs. Defoe and Lennon.

Lol, sometimes I hate one match predictions but I couldn't resist. By the way I hope we target Garrido, his positional play has been truly shocking.

Clearly this happened as well. It was highly noticable that we had worked on singling him out. Through balls and Lennon were destroying him when we had 11 men, but then understandably we didn't have enough territory to continue having Lennon on his shoulder.

[olly27]

Err slight differences in the circumstances in that we were at home vs Bolton and were two nil up when we went down to 10 men, I don;t think that's slight mate that's huge.

By charging around the pitch as the lone centre forward you are giving licence to at least two defenders to come forward with impunity. Berbas role after 20 mins last night was to give breathing space to the defence and midfield, which he achieved with something to spare. His job was not to track runners etc but make sure that City had something to worry about and we had a target to hit. A better perfomance away form home by a lone centre forward is hard to imagine.

Agree entirley. He was the target man and would hold the ball up to provide respite for the rest of the side. I actually think his performance was fantastic even though on a couple of occassions he could of done better. On the whole his contribution was far more positive than negative taking into consideration he was up front on his own for seventy minutes.

[olly27]

it was a wind up for Choda who loved it, i think :D

Ok fair play!...:)

[choda]

it was a wind up for Choda who loved it, i think :D

Yea, I thought it was a bit of fun. I can't wait to see how many he will bag this year. The guys been shit hot and now he will play in a quality side.

[jrio]

Ultimately all that they did wrong was let it be known publicly. All the rest is just football. Jol talked to other clubs while here too.

The board deserve far more praise than criticism because they knew what was required and got the man we need. Do people realise just how many clueless boards there are out there?

Despite the hysterical fan and media criticism our board has made the club very profitable, has provided massive funds to strengthen the squad, went out and got the expertise of Arnesan who changed this club creating an Ajax structure and employed Jol as first team manager. And now they have Commoli who recommended Ramos to take all the next steps. They are an excellent board, I've always said it.
Jol didn't approach other clubs. He acknowledged approaches and rejected them, something he may now be regretting. Spurs actively sought to replace Jol whilst denying there was any agenda to do so. Levy lacked self-belief and courage by undermining Jol when he clearly wanted to replace him with Ramos(who would have come then) at the end of last season. Jol never acted in a similar fashion and clearly had a pride and passion in his managership of the club. I do feel it is disingenuous of you to perpetuate this myth that Jol was continually encouraging other clubs to make him a big offer so that he could use it as a bargaining tool.

You are also very much out on your own, with KK and a few others, on your assessment of the board. Not just amongst fans, but across the country in all spheres. Let's refresh our memories. Levy has got nearly every key decision wrong since he took charge. He got Arnesen right, ignored his advice when he appointed Santini(the "big name"), and was rescued when FA's original recommendation not only rode to his rescue, but instituted such a wave of optimism in the fans that the previous few years seemed to have been a nightmare that never happened.

The club is only profitable due to, proportionally, the highest ticket prices related to non-success in the world. You can also add in Big Dan's relentless schemes to part "loyal" fans from their money with an endless stream of over-blown and cynical marketing strategies. BD has done a slick job of buyin' 'n' sellin' but has also generated instability at the club. How many CMs have we had in the past few years, many indistinguishable from each other in their qualities? The money is largely all OUR money. All BD has done is some slick wheeler-dealing, showing the sort of intensity that Sugar lacked and didn't have the appetite for.

And you've gotta be kidding with the Comolli comment. This over-hyped Arsenal scout whose sole claim to fame is that he uncovered Gael Clichy. I can just imagine Arsene chuckling to himself when he heard all those spurious claims relating to Comolli's contribution - even Spur fell for believing he was responsible for Wenger signing Henry and playing him as a striker. Hmm, guess that's why he left last season - missing his DC. He'll be sucking JR's cock very long time for saving his ass. Such vision that he'd targeted a manager who'd won Sevilla their first KC since 1961, won the UEFA 2 years in a row(derailing us in the process) and seriously threatened to trump Madrid and Barca for La Liga(all in 2 years, allied to a reputation for strong, attacking football). On that level, maybe I'm some sort of visionary.

Levy's most embarrassing contribution hasn't actually been any of this. It was acting like a little girl when players fell victim to a virus carried by Carrick before our last game at Wham a few seasons ago. Before he knew any of the facts Levy was acting like a total embarrassment, wanting the game postponed, contemplating legal action against the hotel for food poisoning and encouraging talk of conspiracy theories against the club. I still groan when I see references to "dodgy lasagne" and they've been rife in the past weeks.

[jrio]

I agree that the centre of our team were outstanding, also I noticed O'Hara effectively shut down our left hand side when he came on, affording great protection to Lee, very mature display.
Some players you have very high expectations for when you see them perform initially in the first team. He's definitely one. Very focused, skilled, enthusiastic and disciplined. He watched Lee very closely to make sure he wasn't exposed on his outside. Coming into the team at 21 you can usually forget it. Not this kid. Possibly his development will be at the same pace as Beckham's. I'm expecting to see a lot more of him this season.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Jol didn't approach other clubs. He acknowledged approaches and rejected them, something he may now be regretting. Spurs actively sought to replace Jol whilst denying there was any agenda to do so. Levy lacked self-belief and courage by undermining Jol when he clearly wanted to replace him with Ramos(who would have come then) at the end of last season. Jol never acted in a similar fashion and clearly had a pride and passion in his managership of the club. I do feel it is disingenuous of you to perpetuate this myth that Jol was continually encouraging other clubs to make him a big offer so that he could use it as a bargaining tool.

You are also very much out on your own, with KK and a few others, on your assessment of the board. Not just amongst fans, but across the country in all spheres. Let's refresh our memories. Levy has got nearly every key decision wrong since he took charge. He got Arnesen right, ignored his advice when he appointed Santini(the "big name"), and was rescued when FA's original recommendation not only rode to his rescue, but instituted such a wave of optimism in the fans that the previous few years seemed to have been a nightmare that never happened.

The club is only profitable due to, proportionally, the highest ticket prices related to non-success in the world. You can also add in Big Dan's relentless schemes to part "loyal" fans from their money with an endless stream of over-blown and cynical marketing strategies. BD has done a slick job of buyin' 'n' sellin' but has also generated instability at the club. How many CMs have we had in the past few years, many indistinguishable from each other in their qualities? The money is largely all OUR money. All BD has done is some slick wheeler-dealing, showing the sort of intensity that Sugar lacked and didn't have the appetite for.

And you've gotta be kidding with the Comolli comment. This over-hyped Arsenal scout whose sole claim to fame is that he uncovered Gael Clichy. I can just imagine Arsene chuckling to himself when he heard all those spurious claims relating to Comolli's contribution - even Spur fell for believing he was responsible for Wenger signing Henry and playing him as a striker. Hmm, guess that's why he left last season - missing his DC. He'll be sucking JR's cock very long time for saving his ass. Such vision that he'd targeted a manager who'd won Sevilla their first KC since 1961, won the UEFA 2 years in a row(derailing us in the process) and seriously threatened to trump Madrid and Barca for La Liga(all in 2 years, allied to a reputation for strong, attacking football). On that level, maybe I'm some sort of visionary.

Levy's most embarrassing contribution hasn't actually been any of this. It was acting like a little girl when players fell victim to a virus carried by Carrick before our last game at Wham a few seasons ago. Before he knew any of the facts Levy was acting like a total embarrassment, wanting the game postponed, contemplating legal action against the hotel for food poisoning and encouraging talk of conspiracy theories against the club. I still groan when I see references to "dodgy lasagne" and they've been rife in the past weeks.

Or we could go back to being a mickey mouse club with the only excitement being the occasional relegation battle and semi final loss. Levy has been the best thing that happended to this club for 30 years or more (since Burkenshaw). Don't like the prices don't go, its that easy.

[LifeTimeYido]

Don't like the prices don't go, its that easy.

Thats a bit harsh - some people cant afford to go at those prices - so thats the price we pay is it ?? - ARE WE BECOMING CHELSEA THEN !!??

[MiloMinderbinder]

Thats a bit harsh - some people cant afford to go at those prices - so thats the price we pay is it ?? - ARE WE BECOMING CHELSEA THEN !!??

And some people can't afford to go to the Barbados at Christmas, some can;t afford to heat their homes, some can't find food to put on the table - it's called life, it is harsh!

[olly27]

Well the Board might not have handled the whole Martin Jol thing well, well they didnt!, but one thing they have done right is getting the right man in to replace him. I think we have a bright future, one we wouldn't have without Levy etc.

[mjbmedia]

some can;t afford to heat their homes, some can't find food to put on the table - it's called life, it is harsh!
no theyre called pikeys and go to Upton Park

[olly27]

no theyre called pikeys and go to Upton Park

LOL..nice one..:p

[olly27]

From a` Man City Board.....


as a city fan i was gutted last night.
but i have to agree berbatov was a class act last night he worked his nuts of for your team.

[jrio]

totally agree, dont think anyones knocking the guy, just out of possesion he didnt try much, if Berbs was knackered at the end how the **** were Mal and JJ feeling?????????????????

It epitomised what im getting at when Robbo kicked the ball out, it landed not more than 10 metres from where Berbs was standing, he didnt move for it at all but stood still moaning that it hadnt come direct to him instead of then challenging for it or at worst putting a bit of pressure on the City defender who had to control it.

now its ok to say he was great cos we won, but at the time it was 1-0 we were under a lot of pressure and unless the ball was at his feet he didnt put a great deal of effort into the cause.

With the ball he was totally awesome tho not perfect, without it he was too lazy and without it we were playing with 8 outfield players yet Berbs gets MOM from a lot of forums :o
Nailed on comments. Too often fans look at the result and overly-laud players or overly-slag them off. I was thinking all of the same thoughts whilst watching the game. It reminded me off the worst criticisms of Ginola as a luxury player.

I don't want to get too sycophantic over Ramos as I can see it being followed by a 4 nil hammering on Saturday and we all go back to the despair pits of N17. Yet, I feel we have seen something of the Great Man in the past 2 games(not City at home - we still looked nervous and tense). We have a cohesive team that has started to play very quick inter-passing in tight situations with a strong core of self-belief and determination. Our defence has been shredded of key personnel and their deputies(and their deputy's deputies) but has demonstrated resolve previously lacking. There is a strategy backed up with effective pre-planned responses to adversity, and a determination and solidarity that had been clearly lacking for over a year.

Defoe's off wine gums and jelly babies, on apples and bananas, and scores 2 goals in 40 mins against Eriksson's City. Let's hope he hasn't regressed after being taken off so early.

[olly27]

Nailed on comments. Too often fans look at the result and overly-laud players or overly-slag them off. I was thinking all of the same thoughts whilst watching the game. It reminded me off the worst criticisms of Ginola as a luxury player.

I don't want to get too sycophantic over Ramos as I can see it being followed by a 4 nil hammering on Saturday and we all go back to the despair pits of N17. Yet, I feel we have seen something of the Great Man in the past 2 games(not City at home - we still looked nervous and tense). We have a cohesive team that has started to play very quick inter-passing in tight situations with a strong core of self-belief and determination. Our defence has been shredded of key personnel and their deputies(and their deputy's deputies) but has demonstrated resolve previously lacking. There is a strategy backed up with effective pre-planned responses to adversity, and a determination and solidarity that had been clearly lacking for over a year.

Defoe's off wine gums and jelly babies, on apples and bananas, and scores 2 goals in 40 mins against Eriksson's City. Let's hope he hasn't regressed after being taken off so early.

I actually can apply some objectivity and perspective when analysing a players perforamce and still maintain Berbatov palyed very well. Given the circumstances and what was required of him he did it well and to full effect. I think its ultra crittical to nit pick Berbatovs performance last night as there was a lot more good than bad in his game and we achieved the win and produced a fantastic team performance.

[jrio]

Or we could go back to being a mickey mouse club with the only excitement being the occasional relegation battle and semi final loss. Levy has been the best thing that happended to this club for 30 years or more (since Burkenshaw). Don't like the prices don't go, its that easy.

That's ballshit. You knew it when you typed it, I'd knew you'd type it before you did. :eek:

You can't even remember when Burks left the club! 1984 - UEFA Cup Final win at WHL on penalties. I know you have at least some basic maths ability.

Levy's been a very poor executive of our club. He has got the vast majority of the key decisions completely wrong. Many of them were not that hard to discern. As always KK, you regard attendance at a football club you support as a complete luxury. You don't think they have roots in a community or a tradition, and that leads to the American mentality of franchising and the vast majority following the "winners". You're still clinging to your completely absurd belief that the billionaire trader Joe Lewis(he loves his golf as half a mill for a round with Tiger Woods proves) is a Spurs fan, who has invested in the club. You can't fall down in my regard for you because in this respect you have always been rock-bottom.

And I don't. Simple. As. That.

[choda]

Jol didn't approach other clubs. He acknowledged approaches and rejected them, something he may now be regretting. Spurs actively sought to replace Jol whilst denying there was any agenda to do so. Levy lacked self-belief and courage by undermining Jol when he clearly wanted to replace him with Ramos(who would have come then) at the end of last season. Jol never acted in a similar fashion and clearly had a pride and passion in his managership of the club. I do feel it is disingenuous of you to perpetuate this myth that Jol was continually encouraging other clubs to make him a big offer so that he could use it as a bargaining tool.

You are also very much out on your own, with KK and a few others, on your assessment of the board. Not just amongst fans, but across the country in all spheres. Let's refresh our memories. Levy has got nearly every key decision wrong since he took charge. He got Arnesen right, ignored his advice when he appointed Santini(the "big name"), and was rescued when FA's original recommendation not only rode to his rescue, but instituted such a wave of optimism in the fans that the previous few years seemed to have been a nightmare that never happened.

The club is only profitable due to, proportionally, the highest ticket prices related to non-success in the world. You can also add in Big Dan's relentless schemes to part "loyal" fans from their money with an endless stream of over-blown and cynical marketing strategies. BD has done a slick job of buyin' 'n' sellin' but has also generated instability at the club. How many CMs have we had in the past few years, many indistinguishable from each other in their qualities? The money is largely all OUR money. All BD has done is some slick wheeler-dealing, showing the sort of intensity that Sugar lacked and didn't have the appetite for.

And you've gotta be kidding with the Comolli comment. This over-hyped Arsenal scout whose sole claim to fame is that he uncovered Gael Clichy. I can just imagine Arsene chuckling to himself when he heard all those spurious claims relating to Comolli's contribution - even Spur fell for believing he was responsible for Wenger signing Henry and playing him as a striker. Hmm, guess that's why he left last season - missing his DC. He'll be sucking JR's cock very long time for saving his ass. Such vision that he'd targeted a manager who'd won Sevilla their first KC since 1961, won the UEFA 2 years in a row(derailing us in the process) and seriously threatened to trump Madrid and Barca for La Liga(all in 2 years, allied to a reputation for strong, attacking football). On that level, maybe I'm some sort of visionary.

Levy's most embarrassing contribution hasn't actually been any of this. It was acting like a little girl when players fell victim to a virus carried by Carrick before our last game at Wham a few seasons ago. Before he knew any of the facts Levy was acting like a total embarrassment, wanting the game postponed, contemplating legal action against the hotel for food poisoning and encouraging talk of conspiracy theories against the club. I still groan when I see references to "dodgy lasagne" and they've been rife in the past weeks.

Well I found pretty much your whole post disingenious there mate.

Pay more careful attention to what I do say and not an exaggeration that embelishes your arguement. I never said Jol approached anyone and if he did then that is his decision. It would be unusual when he had a good job but that's football if he did.

He did meet with other chairmen to discuss offers though. And so be it.

Jol was a wonderful representitive, he says all the right things and conducts himself with great dignity.

He did well and deserved this summer to have a go at the next frontier. Levy gave him that, as you would have fully subscribed to at the time, and now it is a criticism. :confused:

Levy has gotten nearly every key decision wrong? So that's why the club is in now in europe, has expensively assembled a talented squad and has one of the best coaches in the world? You can't really believe that.

As for the whole financial issues I think we argued that in depth before in the Levy chairman thread.

I'll bet that Commolli will be remembered well in time. He went for the right man, many clubs don't, and he deserves to be commended for it. Would you rather Gross, Graham or Francis? And his signings with Jol I think have been miles better than credited. They say a good manager gets 3 out of 5 right. I'd say he will easily achieve that with what he has been involved with so far. And Ramos is the critical one.

What are you on about with lasagne gate? It was a panic and a terrible disappointment. You seem to just want any excuse to stick the knife into Levy.

The old thread covers all the old ground. I'm not going over it all again. http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3784

[jrio]

Well the Board might not have handled the whole Martin Jol thing well, well they didnt!, but one thing they have done right is getting the right man in to replace him. I think we have a bright future, one we wouldn't have without Levy etc.

How so?

Levy's record:

Sacked Graham before a key semi against Arse and appointed Hoddle(total fan appeasement and utterly wrong timing). Correct me on this, but don't we lose the semi and finish below where we were with Graham?

Sacked Hoddle several games into a season(having allowed him to spend fairly substantially on players). Had no replacement lined-up and we dissolved into a total pantomime season. Spurs finish 14th and a laughing stock after leading 10-man City 3 nil at WHL and losing 4-3(Leicester at home also added to that :rolleyes:).

Ignored FA's advice to appoint Jol, but appointed Santini, the "big name", whose brand of football was completely unappetising, and left after several games. Spurs fall to 14th but Jol leads them to 9th and restores a sense of purpose.

Understands Jol's limitations, but is too afraid to sack him and appoint Ramos because he fears the fan's backlash. Spurs fall to 18th.

Yeah, with Levy the future's been so bright I've never been able to remove my shades. :cool:

[choda]

no theyre called pikeys and go to Upton Park

RALMFAO. :D

[suBerb]

Sorry mates, but I find some criticisms against Berba baffling. I'm not sure how much your impressions of his movement are not entirely misleading. He was often accused of lazyness at Bayer but a computer program proved that he runs more than most of his teammates. 90 % of fans thought that Voronin runs much more than Berbatov but that was totally false. The explanation of that illusion is simple: short players look normally much more lively. Compare big and small boxers. To expect from a big target man to run like a defensive midfielder or like a short midfielder betrays ignorance.

Why Berbatov played the way he did was explained By Ramos himself:

Ramos said: “Berbatov gave a fantastic account of himself.

“His ball retention was vital for us and meant we weren’t pinned back defensively.

“It showed how important he is to this club.”

Luxury player :p

[olly27]

How so?

Levy's record:

Sacked Graham before a key semi against Arse and appointed Hoddle(total fan appeasement and utterly wrong timing). Correct me on this, but don't we lose the semi and finish below where we were with Graham?

Sacked Hoddle several games into a season(having allowed him to spend fairly substantially on players). Had no replacement lined-up and we dissolved into a total pantomime season. Spurs finish 14th and a laughing stock after leading 10-man City 3 nil at WHL and losing 4-3(Leicester at home also added to that :rolleyes:).

Ignored FA's advice to appoint Jol, but appointed Santini, the "big name", whose brand of football was completely unappetising, and left after several games. Spurs fall to 14th but Jol leads them to 9th and restores a sense of purpose.

Understands Jol's limitations, but is too afraid to sack him and appoint Ramos because he fears the fan's backlash. Spurs fall to 18th.

Yeah, with Levy the future's been so bright I've never been able to remove my shades. :cool:

If memory serves me correct yes we did. Levy is no angel but you cant ignore the progession of the club, notwithstanding the bad start to this season, and the optimism that now surrounds the club. We have a very strong squad thats a fact...been in Europe two years running and now we have a manger who knows how to get the best out of this squad. Yes the board were apprehensive about the fans potential reaction to Jols exit but thats to be expected as he was so popular...which was part of the problem in itself. Jols was so likeable and conducted himself so well it clouded judgement. You dont hear too many people talking about Jol now...even the real Jol loyalists are quiet! If we win a trophy in the next season or two or finish fourth next season..the Jol departure will be almost insignificant. The board had to be certain that Ramos was the right man or they would have been lambasted...they were confident he was and went for it. To stick with Jol all momentum over the last two years could have been lost. It was a brave decison, not handled correctly, but nevertheless brave and the board deserve credit. We now have a bright future and one that the board have coordinated even though there have been many highs and lows to get us to this point. Levy has made mistakes no doubt...but yet we still find ourselves with a lot to be hopeful for..well at least I do anyway. Not getting into intricate detail regarding the finances of the club etc..as you be better equipped to speak from that point of view. My comments pertain to the general direction of the club and Mr Levy who is an integral part of the improvement in recent years.

[RuFuS]

Sorry mates, but I find some criticisms against Berba baffling. He was often accused of lazyness at Bayer but a computer program proved that he runs more than most of his teammates.


Computers don't pay his wages.... i do :D

[choda]

Sorry mates, but I find some criticisms against Berba baffling. I'm not sure how much your impressions of his movement are not entirely misleading. He was often accused of lazyness at Bayer but a computer program proved that he runs more than most of his teammates. 90 % of fans thought that Voronin runs much more than Berbatov but that was totally false. The explanation of that illusion is simple: short players look normally much more lively. Compare big and small boxers. To expect from a big target man to run like a defensive midfielder or like a short midfielder betrays ignorance.

Why Berbatov played the way he did was explained By Ramos himself:

Ramos said: “Berbatov gave a fantastic account of himself.

“His ball retention was vital for us and meant we weren’t pinned back defensively.

“It showed how important he is to this club.”

Luxury player :p

I understand the big man small thing, but I feel you know when somebody is at it.

As you know mate I defended Berba last year when he was called lazy. I think he has a relaxed style that can easily be misinterpreted. But it doesn't change the fact that he has been sulky and languid this season until recently. For me it was not acceptable.

Don't get me wrong last night was good I just didn't think he was amazing. But he was still Berba, you know how much I love him and he is definitely trying and committed now. His body language has changed and that is a big thing.

He is excessively complaining on the field though for one who has had a very poor year until lately. I don't like that.

[jrio]

Well I found pretty much your whole post disingenious there mate.

I'm not sure if you understand the meaning - I'm pretty sure you don't. So let my spell it out. You dishonestly implied that Jol was actively seeking to betray the club. If you weren't seeking to do that, then state clearly that you don't think that Levy was justified in lying about Ramos because Jol was doing a similar thing in speaking to other clubs. Your comment about meeting with other chairmen to discuss offers is utter nonsense. You have absolutely no justification for stating that.

I was very sure your "humorous" quip about Jol leading us to the play-offs in the Champs wasn't tongue-in-cheek. You've been very two-faced in wanting to back Jol but then laugh at him when he was dismissed. I don't disagree with your analysis of his coaching but there's too much of "et tu Brute" in your attitude. You've been quite happy to seem supportive whilst quietly knifing him in the back in retrospect.

Somehow you equate Comolli with making the shrewd assessment of appointing Ramos as manager. Your straw man is mentioning Gross etc, something I never advocated. I could have recommended Ramos over a year ago. I'm far from alone. Many thought he would be the next Madrid manager. Comolli hasn't unearthed a hidden diamond, much as all the hyperbole regarding his time at Arse might want us to regard his talents. It's no different from him recommending Mourinho. I'm completely incredulous that you seek such paper-thin arguments to defend him. I can only attribute it to your vociferously misguided promotion of Levy. I notice that you didn't seek to contest my points against Levy, instead pointing to recent qualifications for Europe etc, through a manager HE rejected and then continually undermined.

Your support of Levy is completely misguided, much as if you would have supported the Wale family(owners of Spurs until bright-boy Scholar stepped in) due to Bill Nick's success. I don't see any difference. I would defend Sugar because he rescued the club from calamity and sought to do his best, regardless of his limitations and his self-interest with Sky, but received poor advice. Levy has very poor judgement, lacks any real sense of identity with the core support of the club, and is a coward. Nothing wrong with being a coward in the face of death or severe pain(if a giant bear attacked you, the sensible thing to do would be to avoid taking him on - not running, because he'd quickly out-pace and kill you), but Levy has no courage in his convictions and wants all the credit without responsibility. He's a privileged guy that thinks those privileges are rightfully his. Fans look at the signings compared to Sugar's tenure and figure Levy is some fairy godmother. Sugar, not altruistically, took on the club and Levy benefited from the gradual exponential rise in Sky tv money. Why else have clubs been lashing out 30m plus on fees last summer?

Levy's record is excreable and you are reduced to repeating platitudes to defending it. I know it's tough to cling on without a figurehead to hand on to(Chelsea have Abramovich, someone even more indefensible), but cling on to the beliefs and traditions of the club without giving undue credit to a guy who really can't live up to it.

[olly27]

Well one thing is for sure....Jrio will not be writing Levy's autiobiography!!;)

What comes across in your last couple of posts goes beyond criticism...its hatered!..very intense Jrio.

[RuFuS]

As you know mate I defended Berba last year when he was called lazy. I think he has a relaxed style that can easily be misinterpreted. But it doesn't change the fact that he has been sulky and languid this season until recently. For me it was not acceptable.


As i recall Jol said at the begining of the season,that he hoped that Dimitar would turn up before Xmas as he'd not got started till Xmas the season before.

Maybe Jol was right.

[jrio]

Sorry mates, but I find some criticisms against Berba baffling. I'm not sure how much your impressions of his movement are not entirely misleading. He was often accused of lazyness at Bayer but a computer program proved that he runs more than most of his teammates. 90 % of fans thought that Voronin runs much more than Berbatov but that was totally false. The explanation of that illusion is simple: short players look normally much more lively. Compare big and small boxers. To expect from a big target man to run like a defensive midfielder or like a short midfielder betrays ignorance.

Why Berbatov played the way he did was explained By Ramos himself:

Ramos said: “Berbatov gave a fantastic account of himself.

“His ball retention was vital for us and meant we weren’t pinned back defensively.

“It showed how important he is to this club.”

Luxury player :p
I'm not calling him lazy, or heaven forbid, a luxury player. Too often I thought Berb was slow to release the ball to Mal, particularly when he had more than 2 defenders on him. He also seemed to rely on Bennett calling fouls when he was dispossessed in tight situations, bumping and barging being involved, but you can't rely on falling down and plaintive looks to gain a free-kick. I thought the chance he created, when dragging back from Dunne at the end, exemplified it. Beautiful, nonchalant skill, the epitome of Spurs, yet the finish was something we would have all derided Jenas for.

I wouldn't expect JR to say any different from the quotes, and equally City fans would mirror our comments had we lost 2 nil at the Lane to 10 men. Berb has clearly been the most elegant and refined player we have seen here since Hoddle. I just didn't feel he was the major component in our victory hat justified the laudings I have seen. I've never advocated work rate being a sign of a top player, I just saw that on many occasions Berb lost the ball and then fell right out of the game.

[olly27]

I have a feeling Mr Choda is about to deliver a monster post!;)

[jrio]

Well one thing is for sure....Jrio will not be writing Levy's autiobiography!!;)

What comes across in your last couple of posts goes beyond criticism...its hatered!..very intense Jrio.
Biography, auto is one you do yourself. It's not hatred, anymore than my disregard for Scholar is. I experienced the same scenarios where Scholar was going to lead us to the promised land. I look at them with similar disregard. Scholar was a property developer, very greedy and self-satisfied, somebody riding a wave that he thought wouldn't end and was due to his shrewdness. That ended up with the disastrous building of the East Stand(some irony in that he gained control of Spurs due to the West Stand plunging the club into debt), and the real possibility of the club becoming bankrupt, leading to us being desperate for the sale of an injured Gascoigne to Lazio for 4.5m.

There's a whole slew of these people waiting in the wings. You can watch many of them in the reality shows on tv every week. They're successful in their own little arenas, then feel fit to lecture to the rest of us without having any insight. Look at Conrad Black. He used to be a lord, y'know. Now he's serving 6 years in a US jail.

[suBerb]

I understand the big man small thing, but I feel you know when somebody is at it.

As you know mate I defended Berba last year when he was called lazy. I think he has a relaxed style that can easily be misinterpreted. But it doesn't change the fact that he has been sulky and languid this season until recently. For me it was not acceptable.

Don't get me wrong last night was good I just didn't think he was amazing. But he was still Berba, you know how much I love him and he is definitely trying and committed now. His body language has changed and that is a big thing.

He is excessively complaining on the field though for one who has had a very poor year until lately. I don't like that.


Mate, he was depressed untill recently and the reason was pretty obvious: given that he has the ability to play for the biggest clubs, he saw no perspective here. He lacked motivation. Now, with Ramos things have changed. He will go on to moan, however, since he is very sensitive, reads the game better and all false moves get on his nerves. That may be unpleasant for his teammates and some fans but that's the way he plays. For another thing, I have predicted a year ago that before the spring of 2008 he will be inconsistent and there will be "waves" of criticisms against him. I think my posts after the Watford game away last season may be preserved somewhere. I think the predictions about Berbatov's career I made then are amaizingly accurate. I said that in the spring of 2008, if he avoids bad injuries, he will be a better center forward than Jurgen ever was. Hopefully, in 7-8 weeks we are going to enjoy the new Berb, the upgraded version of the Berba from the spring of 2007. I still think that even in the famous Bolton game he played with no more than 75% of his true potential. He will play to his full potential in 2-3 years. His mental development is not on the level of his footballing genius yet. Therefore fans see only flashes of what he is really capable of. That;s my theory. It works well so far. :D

[RuFuS]

I have a feeling Mr Choda is about to deliver a monster post!;)

I give up half way thru, Jrio as well. Especially when it go's off topic.

[choda]

I'm not sure if you understand the meaning - I'm pretty sure you don't. So let my spell it out. You dishonestly implied that Jol was actively seeking to betray the club. If you weren't seeking to do that, then state clearly that you don't think that Levy was justified in lying about Ramos because Jol was doing a similar thing in speaking to other clubs. Your comment about meeting with other chairmen to discuss offers is utter nonsense. You have absolutely no justification for stating that.

I was very sure your "humorous" quip about Jol leading us to the play-offs in the Champs wasn't tongue-in-cheek. You've been very two-faced in wanting to back Jol but then laugh at him when he was dismissed. I don't disagree with your analysis of his coaching but there's too much of "et tu Brute" in your attitude. You've been quite happy to seem supportive whilst quietly knifing him in the back in retrospect.

Somehow you equate Comolli with making the shrewd assessment of appointing Ramos as manager. Your straw man is mentioning Gross etc, something I never advocated. I could have recommended Ramos over a year ago. I'm far from alone. Many thought he would be the next Madrid manager. Comolli hasn't unearthed a hidden diamond, much as all the hyperbole regarding his time at Arse might want us to regard his talents. It's no different from him recommending Mourinho. I'm completely incredulous that you seek such paper-thin arguments to defend him. I can only attribute it to your vociferously misguided promotion of Levy. I notice that you didn't seek to contest my points against Levy, instead pointing to recent qualifications for Europe etc, through a manager HE rejected and then continually undermined.

Your support of Levy is completely misguided, much as if you would have supported the Wale family(owners of Spurs until bright-boy Scholar stepped in) due to Bill Nick's success. I don't see any difference. I would defend Sugar because he rescued the club from calamity and sought to do his best, regardless of his limitations and his self-interest with Sky, but received poor advice. Levy has very poor judgement, lacks any real sense of identity with the core support of the club, and is a coward. Nothing wrong with being a coward in the face of death or severe pain(if a giant bear attacked you, the sensible thing to do would be to avoid taking him on - not running, because he'd quickly out-pace and kill you), but Levy has no courage in his convictions and wants all the credit without responsibility. He's a privileged guy that thinks those privileges are rightfully his. Fans look at the signings compared to Sugar's tenure and figure Levy is some fairy godmother. Sugar, not altruistically, took on the club and Levy benefited from the gradual exponential rise in Sky tv money. Why else have clubs been lashing out 30m plus on fees last summer?

Levy's record is excreable and you are reduced to repeating platitudes to defending it. I know it's tough to cling on without a figurehead to hand on to(Chelsea have Abramovich, someone even more indefensible), but cling on to the beliefs and traditions of the club without giving undue credit to a guy who really can't live up to it.

I know all your words Jrio. ;) I was just stating that football is a volatile competitive business.

I think what you don't understand is that the environment influences where you arrive on the ethics to shrewdness spectrum for the best overall result. Football is a volatile, competitive, project based, harsh and highly results orientated business.

If Levy hadn't behaved as he has done we would still be a joke, an underachieving waste of a big club and then you'd have very unhappy fans, owners and staff. Big players would inevitably all move on etc.

I haven't been two faced about Jol at all. He was paid well to do a job and did it well up to a point. But to be honest he's a bit of a pr monkey. If he was less able to talk a great game and more able to do it then we wouldn't have gotten in such a mess earlier this year.

If I ever laughed it was at some of the performances. I have respect for him to a point as a coach and a lot as a man, but I didn't like his talk of attacking play like Arsenal and real width that never came. Instead he gave us a load of cm's out wide and cautious patchy football. That was bullshit.

If I have a schizophrenic view of him it is because I think he was largely that as our manager. He was a gregarious man, a decent coach, a true spur and conducted himself admirably, but I also thought he was something of a politician, a pr monkey and his coaching in the end drove me bananas.

That's just my relationship to him as our manager. What other relationship do I have to him? None.

Watch how Ramos has said little but has been totally authentic regarding what he says and the team. And he WILL buy players to balance the squad, even though he hasn't even talked about it.

I think you've lost all reason on these matters which is why I won't respond to the rest of your post. The exaggeration of negatives is extreme and a lot of it is just going over old ground anyway.

The top 4 play off joke was simply a joke, as I said at the time, :confused: though I doubt he'd have ever delivered cl. Another extreme reaction.

[choda]

Mate, he was depressed untill recently and the reason was pretty obvious: given that he has the ability to play for the biggest clubs, he saw no perspective here. He lacked motivation. Now, with Ramos things have changed. He will go on to moan, however, since he is very sensitive, reads the game better and all false moves get on his nerves. That may be unpleasant for his teammates and some fans but that's the way he plays. For another thing, I have predicted a year ago that before the spring of 2008 he will be inconsistent and there will be "waves" of criticisms against him. I think my posts after the Watford game away last season may be preserved somewhere. I think the predictions about Berbatov's career I made then are amaizingly accurate. I said that in the spring of 2008, if he avoids bad injuries, he will be a better center forward than Jurgen ever was. Hopefully, in 7-8 weeks we are going to enjoy the new Berb, the upgraded version of the Berba from the spring of 2007. I still think that even in the famous Bolton game he played with no more than 75% of his true potential. He will play to his full potential in 2-3 years. His mental development is not on the level of his footballing genius yet. Therefore fans see only flashes of what he is really capable of. That;s my theory. It works well so far. :D

You know him better than any of us and yes you have been spot on in what you have said about him. I remember those old comments.

I think you are dead right all round, but I do stand by comments I made earlier in the year that he wasn't good for the team the way he was playing then.

[jrio]

Watch how Ramos has said little but has been totally authentic regarding what he says and the team. And he WILL buy players to balance the squad, even though he hasn't even talked about it.

As Ramos is not happily fluent in English, I would expect nothing less than for hin to say little. Let's just hope Comolli plays the nodding dog and concentrates on licking arse whilst Ramos dictates.

Levy's behaviour has been ludicrous and brought disrepute on the club. You don't wait 2 games into the season and then sound out a foreign manager to be on stand-by as you wait for your fans to turn on the manager. Clearly Ramos was willing to join us after the end of last season. It's amazed me but facts don't lie. It's amazed the vast majority of Spanish observers. Ramos had more faith in Spurs than Levy did. That's where Levy's failing lies. I guess you've missed all those jokes under Levy - the 5-3 reversal against ManU, the City and Leicester ones whilst Pleat was in charge. Just who's been in charge of this club for the past SEVEN years? Here's a clue - he's the guy that didn't want to appoint the manager who finished 5th twice in a row. He also lacked the guts to appoint the manager in the close season that will quite possibly outstrip that achievement.

[choda]

As Ramos is not happily fluent in English, I would expect nothing less than for hin to say little. Let's just hope Comolli plays the nodding dog and concentrates on licking arse whilst Ramos dictates.

Levy's behaviour has been ludicrous and brought disrepute on the club. You don't wait 2 games into the season and then sound out a foreign manager to be on stand-by as you wait for your fans to turn on the manager. Clearly Ramos was willing to join us after the end of last season. It's amazed me but facts don't lie. It's amazed the vast majority of Spanish observers. Ramos had more faith in Spurs than Levy did. That's where Levy's failing lies. I guess you've missed all those jokes under Levy - the 5-3 reversal against ManU, the City and Leicester ones whilst Pleat was in charge. Just who's been in charge of this club for the past SEVEN years? Here's a clue - he's the guy that didn't want to appoint the manager who finished 5th twice in a row. He also lacked the guts to appoint the manager in the close season that will quite possibly outstrip that achievement.

Your criticism is bordering on hysterical.

[choda]

I give up half way thru, Jrio as well. Especially when it go's off topic.

That's fair enough mate. I try to keep them shorter these days. There is no need write excessively long posts. Although sometimes you do need a little leg room.

[jrio]

That;s my theory. It works well so far. :D
I notice that Bulgarian journalists make a lot of excuses for Berb, usually attributed to them wanting him to join ManU or a side of similar stature(I'm not including you here). I don't see quite how, given ManU's interest when he signed for Spurs, that he signed for us and quickly became dissatisfied. I can see how someone like Benni McCarthy might be in that situation.

Moaning isn't a problem. The best players need to be surrounded with players of a similar quality or those that can respond to their needs. Playing with Defoe at his worst would test the patience of a saint. Berb's been the most exciting player we've seen here since Gascoigne, the most elegant since Hoddle. But you have to wonder why he was on fire alongside Keane for 4 months at the end of last season, and then seems to have expired from the start of this season. Players have highs and lows but Berb seems to have peaks and comas.

[jrio]

Your criticism is bordering on hysterical.

It's intense and passionate, but not a rant. It's far too considered to be the latter.

[Keanoldinho]

You really need to grow up mate. When people disagree with you act like a neanderthal and often call people thick even though your not exactly a rocket scientist.

And I can assure you there are people on this website who if you went on the pitch with them would put you on your arse, go back and do it again. :p

Some people didn't think Berba was amazing or as good as Portsmouth, so what. The main thing is he is getting back to something like what he was last year.


I need to grow up, well I'm 26 married to a beautiful woman my daughter turns 5 next month we live in our own house and have 2 cars last time I checked I was grown. So if you don't like my opinion **** off and don't read it plain and simple really like you. I've played football my whole life on both sides of the world and never been put on my ass so I doubt it nice try though.

At portsmouth he was upfront with Bent then Defoe playing against 2 old CBs but against City Richards and Corluka are young strong quick and full of energy he was playing against them on his own. Here's a thought to consider maybe the minority who think Berba was just OK don't know shit and are wrong.:eek:

[choda]

It's intense and passionate, but not a rant. It's far too considered to be the latter.

One can make a large arguement with large words and still be making close to hysterical arguements.

When you talk about the board you move into hatred and lose all ability to reason. I don't think you can be dispassionate when you are so angry about ticket prices.

[choda]

I need to grow up, well I'm 26 married to a beautiful woman my daughter turns 5 next month we live in our own house and have 2 cars last time I checked I was grown. So if you don't like my opinion **** off and don't read it plain and simple really like you. I've played football my whole life on both sides of the world and never been put on my ass so I doubt it nice try though.

At portsmouth he was upfront with Bent then Defoe playing against 2 old CBs but against City Richards and Corluka are young strong quick and full of energy he was playing against them on his own. Here's a thought to consider maybe the minority who think Berba was just OK don't know shit and are wrong.:eek:

You can be grown up and still act like a child.

I have no problem with you having a different opinion to mine. My point was that insulting people for the simple reason that they have a different opinion to yours is very childish.

[Keanoldinho]

You can be grown up and still act like a child.

I have no problem with you having a different opinion to mine. My point was that insulting people for the simple reason that they have a different opinion to yours is very childish.



I never insulted anyone in this thread and if people on here are insecure or touchy about comments made on a internet football forum were wind up merchants like myself get a good laugh out of it then they need to grow up.

All I said was some peoples views on here make them out to have never really played alot of football and just watched it alot that's not a insult it's an opinion. If you've never been in a situation you're watching then you don't know what it's like. You can make assumptions or guess but you'll never really know for yourself. I love football and have played it my whole life with people from all corners of the earth and will continue to play until my heart stops but that's just me. Some people like sitting on their arse getting fat and old.

All in all I don't have a problem with anyone on here but I'll continue to wind people up and swear alot because that's me in the flesh I'm a mutha ****in fool and I don't care what people think. So deal with it or ignore me I could care less I always speak my mind and I encourage others to do so too.

[choda]

I never insulted anyone in this thread and if people on here are insecure or touchy about comments made on a internet football forum were wind up merchants like myself get a good laugh out of it then they need to grow up.

All I said was some peoples views on here make them out to have never really played alot of football and just watched it alot that's not a insult it's an opinion. If you've never been in a situation you're watching then you don't know what it's like. You can make assumptions or guess but you'll never really know for yourself. I love football and have played it my whole life with people from all corners of the earth and will continue to play until my heart stops but that's just me. Some people like sitting on their arse getting fat and old.

All in all I don't have a problem with anyone on here but I'll continue to wind people up and swear alot because that's me in the flesh I'm a mutha ****in fool and I don't care what people think. So deal with it or ignore me I could care less I always speak my mind and I encourage others to do so too.

Well okay mate, why didn't you say so earlier? I thought you just being an arse lately. There were a lot of 'your thicks' and no smilies. ;)

I didn't really give a shit, but I was just pointing it out. People can **** up threads and forums.

[Keanoldinho]

Well okay mate, why didn't you say so earlier? I thought you just being an arse lately. There were a lot of 'your thicks' and no smilies.

I didn't really give a shit, but I was just pointing it out. People can **** up threads and forums.



here's afew smileys go distribute them out as you see nessacary


:D :p ;) :cool:

[jrio]

One can make a large arguement with large words and still be making close to hysterical arguements.

When you talk about the board you move into hatred and lose all ability to reason. I don't think you can be dispassionate when you are so angry about ticket prices.

Except all the points I make have reasoning behind them and are not resorting to pure abuse. You're either unable to address them(unlikely) or it destroys your vision to do so(much more likely). I didn't mention ticket prices once. A complete failure by you to address the issues.

Trying making a large argument with large words some time. It largely negates any inability to reason. To you, hysterical is not agreeing with your reasoning regarding Levy and his amazing stewardship of the club. It is laughable. Levy has made money on moving players in and out. it's a strength but not at the expense of stability and experience. He thinks squeezing 18m out of ManU shows what a genius he is. Spending 2m on Murphy and 16m on Bent perhaps balances the picture.

[Keanoldinho]

totally agree, dont think anyones knocking the guy, just out of possesion he didnt try much, if Berbs was knackered at the end how the **** were Mal and JJ feeling?????????????????

It epitomised what im getting at when Robbo kicked the ball out, it landed not more than 10 metres from where Berbs was standing, he didnt move for it at all but stood still moaning that it hadnt come direct to him instead of then challenging for it or at worst putting a bit of pressure on the City defender who had to control it.

now its ok to say he was great cos we won, but at the time it was 1-0 we were under a lot of pressure and unless the ball was at his feet he didnt put a great deal of effort into the cause.

With the ball he was totally awesome tho not perfect, without it he was too lazy and without it we were playing with 8 outfield players yet Berbs gets MOM from a lot of forums :o


Probably not as knackered as Berbs reason being JJ and Mal were part of a 4 man midfield playing against 4 other midfielders but Berba was a 1 man strike force taking on 4 defenders and holding his own and more at times the man was inspirational yesterday.

My MOM was Robbo though with Kaboul a close second them 2 are the reason we won the game imo.

[TURKISH]

Probably not as knackered as Berbs reason being JJ and Mal were part of a 4 man midfield playing against 4 other midfielders but Berba was a 1 man strike force taking on 4 defenders and holding his own and more at times the man was inspirational yesterday.

My MOM was Robbo though with Kaboul a close second them 2 are the reason we won the game imo.

JJ and Mal had to defend and support berbatov all game, berba had to work hard but not a hard as them too imo. JJ and Mal would cover more of the field than what berba did.

But as you said berbs was inspirational!:D

[Keanoldinho]

JJ and Mal had to defend and support berbatov all game, berba had to work hard but not a hard as them too imo. JJ and Mal would cover more of the field than what berba did.

But as you said berbs was inspirational!:D


Yeah they did have to defend and support Berba but they had 6 other players helping them defend and 4 other players helping them support Berba. Berba was a 1 man strikeforce up against 2 quality CB and more everytime he got the ball he drew the defense out and was pure quality beating 2 or 3 of them on more than one occassion.

When you're dribbling with 3 or 4 defenders on you, you can't really take your eyes off the ball and get a good look up around you to pick out a pass as soon as you look up one of them will nip in and nick the ball off you. Under the circumstances I think Berbatov played absolutely class.

[olly27]

Biography, auto is one you do yourself. It's not hatred, anymore than my disregard for Scholar is. I experienced the same scenarios where Scholar was going to lead us to the promised land. I look at them with similar disregard. Scholar was a property developer, very greedy and self-satisfied, somebody riding a wave that he thought wouldn't end and was due to his shrewdness. That ended up with the disastrous building of the East Stand(some irony in that he gained control of Spurs due to the West Stand plunging the club into debt), and the real possibility of the club becoming bankrupt, leading to us being desperate for the sale of an injured Gascoigne to Lazio for 4.5m.

There's a whole slew of these people waiting in the wings. You can watch many of them in the reality shows on tv every week. They're successful in their own little arenas, then feel fit to lecture to the rest of us without having any insight. Look at Conrad Black. He used to be a lord, y'know. Now he's serving 6 years in a US jail.

I am aware of the difference between the two..I bet you proof read your posts several times before posting!!:) Anyway you cant help but come across as patronising can you!? I dont really mind you coming across as the teacher (!) and the one with all the 'wisdom' but at least deliver it in a more courteous manner.

[peterc]

I am aware of the difference between the two..I bet you proof read your posts several times before posting!!:) Anyway you cant help but come across as patronising can you!? I dont really mind you coming across as the teacher (!) and the one with all the 'wisdom' but at least deliver it in a more courteous manner.

He is the PROFESSOR JRIO:rolleyes: