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Keanoldinho
14th December 2007, 07:54 PM
I guess he was the best candidate for the job since Mourinho turned it down but ****in ell now we're ran by Italians. He brought along 2 assistants, a goalkeeping coach and a fitness coach all of which are Italian. That's 5 Italians in charge of the national team am I the only one on here who thinks it's kind of sad we've come to this. ****n ell we're England and now we're run by abunch of Italians.

On the flip side though there really aren't any English managers worth a feck out there so I guess it is what it is. Will we ever see another Brian Clough calibre manager? I sure as feck hope so and if we do he better be given the job he deserves and not overlooked because he speaks his mind. It's a sad day for English football but I wish Capello all the best anyway he certainly is a world class manager. I can't wait for the France friendly in March to see his first real challenge.

shakey18
14th December 2007, 08:29 PM
The thing is apart from Venables, Clough was the last decent English manager.Who else were we gonna appoint?.Listening to the likes of Ince, Southgate, and Coppell, we should have gone for an Englishman, reguardless of his quality.What, like McClaren?.Why appoint a shithouse manager JUST because he is English?.Let's get a boss in who takes no shit, hate's celebrity footballers, and who could play a bit.Introducing, the New England manager, Fabio Capello.Harry Redknapp?. Well if he is the best English manager we have, we are in the shit.

shakey18
14th December 2007, 08:45 PM
I've just downloaded "Do I Not Like That", when Graham Taylor was manager, and i can safely say we HAVE progressed!. ****in Hell!.

wayne wonder
14th December 2007, 09:03 PM
Hoddle shouldn't have been sacked!

shakey18
14th December 2007, 09:17 PM
Agreed!!!.Watch "Do I Not Like That" though......****in the epitome of incompetence.....

choda
15th December 2007, 07:02 AM
Hoddle shouldn't have been sacked!

I couldn't agree more Wayners, Hoddle was an excellent English manager. I firmly believe if you look at England in the last twenty years every time they looked good they had a very flexible technical coach. The English sides I rated were Robson's, Venables's and Hoddle's. The rest were a load of shite either due to tactical and technical incompetence or lack of understanding of what they really had to work with... or both.

Sven is an excellent coach but he is very inflexible and his main strength seems to be buying quality that will suit what he needs. He also didn't seem to understand the weaknesses with some of his stars. He rated them like the public do.

I reckon Capello is another disaster waiting to happen. He brings leadership, motivational skill and organisation but this is not what England tend to lack. They lack technical play. So I can't see this working out.

The FA don't really know what they are doing and seem to just pick the choice they will recieve the least public condemnation for should it fail. Last time they knew the public wanted an Englishman and they picked the the dumb safest choice.

Now they just want the biggest name regardless of whether he is the best man for the job. He could deliver, but I doubt he will. Stay tuned for the very ugly footballing combo of Capello and English player tendencies followed by inglorious failure and yet another mega compensation deal.

As a purist and spurs fan I can pretty much guarantee that I wouldn't be watching England matches for another 5 years.

But if the English media and pundits are as hilariously misguided as the last world cup it will be great entertainment value.

RuFuS
15th December 2007, 07:18 AM
Now FA have got their man. The Press and the Media can get on with their job of getting him the sack. :rolleyes: :eek:

peterc
15th December 2007, 09:52 AM
I couldn't agree more Wayners, Hoddle was an excellent English manager. I firmly believe if you look at England in the last twenty years every time they looked good they had a very flexible technical coach. The English sides I rated were Robson's, Venables's and Hoddle's. The rest were a load of shite either due to tactical and technical incompetence or lack of understanding of what they really had to work with... or both.


Hoddle was a great player, but I wouldn't say a great manager, he did not help us much at Spurs, and as England Manager, he did have a very strong squad and could have done much better, he seemed to depend too much on his spiritual friend.

Sven is an excellent coach but he is very inflexible and his main strength seems to be buying quality that will suit what he needs. He also didn't seem to understand the weaknesses with some of his stars. He rated them like the public do.

I reckon Capello is another disaster waiting to happen. He brings leadership, motivational skill and organisation but this is not what England tend to lack. They lack technical play. So I can't see this working out.

Capello has a proven record that not many managers around can boast about. He is well know for his discipline, both tactical and technical abilities. Choda, do you work for the media?:eek:

The FA don't really know what they are doing and seem to just pick the choice they will recieve the least public condemnation for should it fail. Last time they knew the public wanted an Englishman and they picked the the dumb safest choice.

Now they just want the biggest name regardless of whether he is the best man for the job. He could deliver, but I doubt he will. Stay tuned for the very ugly footballing combo of Capello and English player tendencies followed by inglorious failure and yet another mega compensation deal.

As a purist and spurs fan I can pretty much guarantee that I wouldn't be watching England matches for another 5 years.

But if the English media and pundits are as hilariously misguided as the last world cup it will be great entertainment value.

Go on Choda, tell us who is the Englishman who is suitable of taking England the next step?. The answer most probalby is no-one.

mjbmedia
15th December 2007, 10:08 AM
i always feel that the under 21 boss can step up as his players step up, so theres a consistency there, id like the majority of the U21s to get into the full squad, all the prima donas there have had their chance and failed gloriously on many occasions, and it would make sense for their fairly succesful boss (rememebr we even scored what 15 penalties in the shoot out when we cant normally score 4!!) to step up with them.

Im sure if Pearce had the finance that erikson now has hed have had similar early sucess with City and he sure as hell is patriotic .

peterc
15th December 2007, 10:25 AM
Stuart Pearce presently lacks the experience to step into the England Managers job, give him a few more years, then yes.

mjbmedia
15th December 2007, 10:38 AM
not being funny Pete, but experience hasnt exactly bought us much success over the last 40 years, other than Bobby Robson in 86 and 90 our world cups have been poor

peterc
15th December 2007, 11:44 AM
not being funny Pete, but experience hasnt exactly bought us much success over the last 40 years, other than Bobby Robson in 86 and 90 our world cups have been poor

There was experience but were they the right candidates?, Apart from Sir Bobby Robson, I cannot really think of any that were the right candidates( in no particular order) for the job. Hoddle ( definitely not), Keegan ( not really), El Tel (could have been), Mclaren( complete disaster) etc, etc.

choda
15th December 2007, 04:11 PM
Go on Choda, tell us who is the Englishman who is suitable of taking England the next step?. The answer most probalby is no-one.

Just so you know Peter it's not a personal insult if somebody states a 'negative' comment about one of your managers. What I say makes no difference to how he will do.

And I never said you had to get an Englishman either. :confused:

I think if you have home managers that can do it then that is the best as they know the situation better. As it happens I think you do in Sir Bob and Venables. And I think Hoddle would be suited to that particular job and he did well before.

Only one team can win these things but England actually had a chance to win under these men. They impressed and the performances were generally very good.

\jackdaw
15th December 2007, 08:39 PM
Peter Taylor was a good manager for the under 21's, would he make it if he got more club experience?

peterc
15th December 2007, 11:03 PM
Just so you know Peter it's not a personal insult if somebody states a 'negative' comment about one of your managers. What I say makes no difference to how he will do.

I never took that as a personal insult, however, I don't think that at present there is an experienced English manager to take England to the next step.

And I never said you had to get an Englishman either. :confused:

I think if you have home managers that can do it then that is the best as they know the situation better. As it happens I think you do in Sir Bob and Venables. And I think Hoddle would be suited to that particular job and he did well before.

Glenn Hoddle was a fantastic player but I would not agree with you as regards to his management skills

Only one team can win these things but England actually had a chance to win under these men. They impressed and the performances were generally very good.

England did impress and performed well, luck might not have been on their side.

choda
17th December 2007, 02:39 PM
England did impress and performed well, luck might not have been on their side.

I am wary of Hoddle the manager. His man management doesn't seem to be that good and he neglects work rate. Spurs were lacking real desire to work and win under him and I wanted rid.

But international management is very much about tactical and technical nous and he is really excellent in that regard. Plus that is what England hugely lack. He recognises it.

Having thought about it I personally wouldn't give him the job. But he is a person with many of the exact qualities you need.

peterc
17th December 2007, 02:59 PM
FFS, the guy has not even started his job and bets are already being taken, for how long he will last, or whether he will win us the world cup or Euro, these are the tw*ts who are ruining our sport we all admire. They should be banned.:mad:

JuicE
18th December 2007, 07:24 AM
FFS, the guy has not even started his job and bets are already being taken, for how long he will last, or whteher he will win us the world cup or Euro, these are the tw*ts who are ruining our sport we all admire. They should be banned.:mad:

Us???? Does Malta have a new coach?

peterc
18th December 2007, 09:38 AM
Us???? Does Malta have a new coach?

Living here for a long time, I am entitled to support England, should I wish too. Suppose same as you support Australia in cricket.