Match Thread: Anderlecht vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Keanoldinho]

This will be a good game the Belgians are no puch overs so it should be an entertaining game but we will be well up for it after the dissappointing Birmingham game. I'll go with 3-1 Spurs, Bent Keano Malbranque to get the goals and Kaboul to score an og:D

[deadleyledley]

i hope kaboul doesnt play. he plays like schoolboy and is going to lead to many problems.
anderlecht will be tough, but hopefully we can get a good win.
2-1 win i say. berbatov and lennon to score.
set us up nicely for the city game coming up afterwards.

[RuFuS]

i hope kaboul doesnt play. he plays like schoolboy.

So playing less games is going to improve him ?

[singapore spur]

So playing less games is going to improve him ?

no but a spell out of the spotlight of the 1st team , a couple of weeks in the reserves might well be the answer. i dont think its a matter of confidence in kabouls case , just inexperience and naivety at the top level .
too often he is caught in possesion , or dragged out of position . he has to get back to basics and become an asset for us , not a liability . im sure every opposing manager will see him as a weak spot at the moment and gear his team to press and harass him into mistakes .

[Spur]

Need a win. Badly. And another good performance.

[mjbmedia]

well then theyd be wrong cos Dawsons made more errors and been caught out of position more than Kaboul in the last few games, just that Kabouls loss of possesion v W Ham led to a goal mainly cos he wasnt being covered by dawson whereas Daws three loses of possesion didnt as kaboul and co cleared up . Ditto the pen v Brum , Kaboul was where on the pitch??? in Daws position having to cover for him again.
Id rather have a defender coming out with the ball than one who hoofs it upfield , both are prone to lsoing posession.

[Ginola's Son]

3-0 Anderlecht.

Hopefully our 6 point haul will be enough to take us through

[peterc]

We desperately need to have a good result, another bad result won't help the players morale. A must win.

[berbzy 'G']

I have no confidence in Spurs after the Brimingham... The players are selfish, they have made alot of mistakes in the past, and haven't learnt from them or improved, the strikers don't take the chances that the midfield creates, and the defenders are ****ing useless thats why Jenas, Zokora, and even uselss berbatov have even had to come back to defend in recent games cos of our shit back four!

Tottenham are a laughing stock to other teams! I remember WHL used to be a place were football teams used to think 'shit, thats gonna be hard for us'... Now other teams think ' Thats the team that lost at home to Birmingham, haven't won away yet, got a crap defence, a shamble of a goal keeper, and strikers that don't take there chances, lol we'll win this 1'... This is the sort of football club we are... :mad:

3 1 Anderlecht... :(

[RuFuS]

no but a spell out of the spotlight of the 1st team , a couple of weeks in the reserves might well be the answer..

And replace him with who ? King, Rocha, Gardener ? Plus he is having a fitness test before every game. So working on that basis there is no one else.
i dont think its a matter of confidence in kabouls case , just inexperience and naivety at the top level .too often he is caught in possesion , or dragged out of position . he has to get back to basics and become an asset for us , not a liability .

He is no worse than Dawson when he started. The difference is that Dawson had Ledley to hold his hand and Dawson should be looking after Kaboul by telling him who's boss and take the resposibility

[MiloMinderbinder]

He is no worse than Dawson when he started. The difference is that Dawson had Ledley to hold his hand and Dawson should be looking after Kaboul by telling him who's boss and take the resposibility

C'est une petit problem mon amis, Younes il na pas parlez Anglais. Ausi, il y a une grande boit au merde

[RuFuS]

I have no confidence in Spurs after the Brimingham... The players are selfish, they have made alot of mistakes in the past, and haven't learnt from them or improved, the strikers don't take the chances that the midfield creates, and the defenders are ****ing useless thats why Jenas, Zokora, and even uselss berbatov have even had to come back to defend in recent games cos of our shit back four!

Tottenham are a laughing stock to other teams! I remember WHL used to be a place were football teams used to think 'shit, thats gonna be hard for us'... Now other teams think ' Thats the team that lost at home to Birmingham, haven't won away yet, got a crap defence, a shamble of a goal keeper, and strikers that don't take there chances, lol we'll win this 1'... This is the sort of football club we are... :mad:

As i recall we were unbeaten under Ramos prior to Brum. Who incidently scored with a great goal deep into injury time to win. The brum game was typical spurs. Played some football that was good to watch but still got beat. That's the way it's always been. We've traditionaly always been able to score goals. it's been keeping them out that's the problem. That's why we don't win the league but fare better in cups.
You say that because we lost to Brum everyone has got us down as a banker win. You need to get out more.

[RuFuS]

C'est une petit problem mon amis, Younes il na pas parlez Anglais. Ausi, il y a une grande boit au merde

Dave Makay would have got the message across :eek:

[MiloMinderbinder]

Dave Makay would have got the message across :eek:

Yep, by kicking the French Morrocan turd all the way back to Fez if he didn't do what he's told.

He's another one with all the attributes apart from what's up top, I would be most surprised to see him here more than a year. All this stuff about Dawson can be attributed to not knowing what his walking disaster zone of a defensive partner will do next, Dawson therefore must watch Kaboul's man as well as his own, not that Dason has been a paragon of virtue but he has been fighting the relentless tide by himself for large parts of the season.

[Spur]

He is no worse than Dawson when he started. The difference is that Dawson had Ledley to hold his hand and Dawson should be looking after Kaboul by telling him who's boss and take the resposibility

When Daws broke into the team? He had a blinding last few months of the season, made his debut away to Liverpool and didn't look back. His form dropped last season but then who's didn't? Even with Ledders in the side last year we were still leaking goals. We got through last season because we had strikers who would carry us through. The rest of the team were poor for a good 6 months or so.

[denis-cro]

Any news about Bale´s injury ??? Anyone ???

[Indianspur]

kaboul needs this game, whatever the result id rather let him gain confidence here than the premiership where our priority should lie.
winning the uefa cup would mean nothing if we remain in a relegation battle and also a laughing stock!

[singapore spur]

And replace him with who ? King, Rocha, Gardener ? Plus he is having a fitness test before every game. So working on that basis there is no one else.


He is no worse than Dawson when he started. The difference is that Dawson had Ledley to hold his hand and Dawson should be looking after Kaboul by telling him who's boss and take the resposibility

well therein lies the problem , do we agree that if we had anyone else fit he wouldnt be in the starting line up , so its ramos's call does he play someone out of position , zak or chimbonda , salteri as a stand in c.b , or stick with a partnership that looks so vulnerable .
its where a manager earns his money , and what he sees on the training pitch i guess will dictate his plans .

2nd point , im sure he would look and play 100 % better with someone with more experience alongside , but we havent got one at the moment so its a moot point ,and im not slagging the guy off , he is trying his best to fill the position but for his own sake maybe he should be out of the firing line , if ramos can come up with any other option

[Gino Ginelli]

I seriously, seriously, would play 3 at the back; Daws, Kaboul, Chimbo. Zokora's shown that if he's given clear cut instructions and stays back, he can do well, so have him protecting the back 3 and not venturing out of our half. Then have Hudd and Jenas as CM / Playmakers, with Bale/Lee as LWB. Lennon as our RW, with JJ coming across to cover the flank when he bombs on. Put Keano & Bent up top (berba's missed his chance tbh).

I say this because Ramos has employed this twice in recent games, when we've gone in at half-time losing, then come out and taken the lead. Start with this, giving them all clear instructions and I reckon we'll do well. The back two are too prone to error so make it a three to cover the cracks, and employ Zokora to ensure they're protected.

Can't hurt, can it?

[Ginola's Son]

As i recall we were unbeaten under Ramos prior to Brum

Oh big wow. Drawing against Boro is like a defeat. Tel Aviv and Aalborg are hardly world beaters. West Ham was a decent point and Birmingham SUCK!

[Spur]

Oh big wow. Drawing against Boro is like a defeat. Tel Aviv and Aalborg are hardly world beaters. West Ham was a decent point and Birmingham SUCK!

And what was our record before that?

Sunderland - newly promoted - loss
Everton - @ home - loss
Derby - big wow - Won
Man Utd - nothing to say, it was against the champs, to be expected - Lost
Fulham - 3-1 up - Draw
Arsenal - lost in the most despicable fashion - Lost
Anorthosis Famagusta - we won one! - Won
Bolton - bottom three - Draw
Middlesbrough - about time we won one - Won
Aston Villa - at home, 125 years old celebration, went 4-1 down - Draw
Anorthosis Famagusta - absolutely shocking result - Draw
Liverpool - good draw - Draw
Newcastle - struggling - Lost
Getafe - bottom 3 of la Liga when we played - Lost

6 losses, 5 draws, and 3 wins. BMJ was doing really well GS wasn't he. Oh and the football we were playing was just sterling! We had a remarkable 7 points in the league. Great stuff.

The funny thing is, the very people who were calling for MJ to have more time to sort it out and ALREADY getting on Juande's back! Laughable. Talk about double standards.

[Ginola's Son]

I've not branded Juande a failure. But I'm not gonna sing his praises after a losing performance to a team that is shit.

[peterc]

The funny thing is, the very people who were calling for MJ to have more time to sort it out and ALREADY getting on Juande's back! Laughable. Talk about double standards.

Spur, I don't think that anyone is getting on Juande Ramos's back, its just we expected more impact by now and at present I am still not totally convinced that he is the right man to take us forward.

[mjbmedia]

I've not branded Juande a failure. But I'm not gonna sing his praises after a losing performance to a team that is shit.
that goes for me too, some can get excited by beating poor teams, i wont, the next 3 league games will show us what weve got in store for us, hopefully the Brum game didnt show it (result wise)

[Spur]

Spur, I don't think that anyone is getting on Juande Ramos's back, its just we expected more impact by now and at present I am still not totally convinced that he is the right man to take us forward.

He's one month in :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Just one month and a week ago you said in defence of Martin Jol that Rome wasn't built in a day.

But apparently Juande had to build it within a month of setting foot in the country...

[Spur]

that goes for me too, some can get excited by beating poor teams, i wont, the next 3 league games will show us what weve got in store for us, hopefully the Brum game didnt show it (result wise)

I don't think anyone is getting greatly excited, definately not yet nor for before Christmas.

The one thing that cannot be criticised is the performance of his team so far however - something that under Jol was criticised every game. The only time I feel it could be criticised was going down 2-0 vs AaB. But that second half he turned it around and we played yet more great stuff.

No-one should feel excited for this season right now, not with everything that is going against us. Let him have a transfer window or two, put his own squad in - then get excited or not.

For me, in the league this season is a right-off. I've only hope for the cup competitions. That is all.

[peterc]

He's one month in :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Just one month and a week ago you said in defence of Martin Jol that Rome wasn't built in a day.

But apparently Juande had to build it within a month of setting foot in the country...

What I am trying to say that one would expect some improvement by now, to lose against B'Ham hurts badly. Games won give us points, that we desperately need, I don't expect a total change immediately but some slight improvement to the teams confidence and winning the points we really could do with.

[jrio]

What I am trying to say that one would expect some improvement by now, to lose against B'Ham hurts badly. Games won give us points, that we desperately need, I don't expect a total change immediately but some slight improvement to the teams confidence and winning the points we really could do with.
I don't think you can ignore the sending-off of Keane in that result, and also Bale's injury. It still might have been a draw which isn't a great improvement, but you can't fault Ramos' radical changes and thinking. As Spur says, the performances are much more dynamic, and noticeably a few players like Jenas and Robbo have raised their game, and deadballs don't automatically mean a goal conceded. Long-term I'll be looking for Ramos to have the same impact as Eriksson at City. Bear in mind, Eriksson had a few months and spending over 30m on his own players to do that.

[peterc]

I don't think you can ignore the sending-off of Keane in that result, and also Bale's injury. It still might have been a draw which isn't a great improvement, but you can't fault Ramos' radical changes and thinking. As Spur says, the performances are much more dynamic, and noticeably a few players like Jenas and Robbo have raised their game, and deadballs don't automatically mean a goal conceded. Long-term I'll be looking for Ramos to have the same impact as Eriksson at City. Bear in mind, Eriksson had a few months and spending over 30m on his own players to do that.

Fair enough point taken, however I was also slightly puzzled with Bent being substituted by Defoe who had a dire game, whilst I thought that Bent had a good first half performance, why the change?.

[jrio]

Fair enough point taken, however I was also slightly puzzled with Bent being substituted by Defoe who had a dire game, whilst I thought that Bent had a good first half performance, why the change?.
Thigh strain according to the tv.

[Spur]

Fair enough point taken, however I was also slightly puzzled with Bent being substituted by Defoe who had a dire game, whilst I thought that Bent had a good first half performance, why the change?.

Thigh strain was why he was taken off.

[Keanoldinho]

Fair enough point taken, however I was also slightly puzzled with Bent being substituted by Defoe who had a dire game, whilst I thought that Bent had a good first half performance, why the change?.


Bent had picked up a knock in the first half


well damn I didn't see page 4 questions been answered

[peterc]

Strange that nothing has been mentioned on the official website, same as an update regarding Bale, any news anyone?.

[Spur]

Strange that nothing has been mentioned on the official website, same as an update regarding Bale, any news anyone?.

It seems to have coincided with Juande joining, but the lack of information on the site is deafening. Not once has he or Gus said anything about a player being injured or fit, nor for how long. The Team News articles used to be put up the day before a match but right now they are few and far between...

Just my take on things anyway.

[peterc]

It seems to have coincided with Juande joining, but the lack of information on the site is deafening. Not once has he or Gus said anything about a player being injured or fit, nor for how long. The Team News articles used to be put up the day before a match but right now they are few and far between...

Just my take on things anyway.

You're right Spur, I have noticed that we don't seem to have that many updates for a while. Apparently, latest rumour is we will have an offer for a takeover in the next fortnight.

[Spur]

You're right Spur, I have noticed that we don't seem to have that many updates for a while. Apparently, latest rumour is we will have an offer for a takeover in the next fortnight.

From the 48th richest man in the world or something - I didn't pay that much attention we;ve seen it all before. The only reason a takeover bid may occur sooner rather than later is because of our poor position. Something Levy will undoutbedly know and the reason he's put all his eggs in the basket called Juande.

A couple of other rumours are 1) a few days back Galahad on COYS said that Cudicini was a name mentioned 2) same person said today that 5 names were mentioned - they only gave over three being Diarra, Riera and Jarque. The interesting thing about Diarra is Galahad apparently said he was surprised as to the team which Diarra plays for (being the Arsenal one) but Dragon said it could be Madrid one. Now Mahamadou Diarra was a quality player when he first joined Madrid and actually sounds extremely plausible now - perhaps even more so than Lassana. We've obviously been linked with Lassana before though...

[peterc]

From the 48th richest man in the world or something - I didn't pay that much attention we;ve seen it all before. The only reason a takeover bid may occur sooner rather than later is because of our poor position. Something Levy will undoutbedly know and the reason he's put all his eggs in the basket called Juande.

A couple of other rumours are 1) a few days back Galahad on COYS said that Cudicini was a name mentioned 2) same person said today that 5 names were mentioned - they only gave over three being Diarra, Riera and Jarque. The interesting thing about Diarra is Galahad apparently said he was surprised as to the team which Diarra plays for (being the Arsenal one) but Dragon said it could be Madrid one. Now Mahamadou Diarra was a quality player when he first joined Madrid and actually sounds extremely plausible now - perhaps even more so than Lassana. We've obviously been linked with Lassana before though...

Spur, a takeover might be a good idea, a complete clean slate. New Board and now new manager ,a couple of new players and hopefully we will start seeing the light of the so far long tunnel.

[Spur]

Spur, a takeover might be a good idea, a complete clean slate. New Board and now new manager ,a couple of new players and hopefully we will start seeing the light of the so far long tunnel.

I'm warming to the idea thinking it is perhaps the only way forward. Half the league are already owned by Sugar Daddy's, it's got to be the way forward now :(

[peterc]

I'm warming to the idea thinking it is perhaps the only way forward. Half the league are already owned by Sugar Daddy's, it's got to be the way forward now :(

To be quite honest I cannot see another way. Lewis will want THFC sold, he has never invested in the club, he only purchased the shares, can't see him investing towards a larger stadium, can you?

[Spur]

To be quite honest I cannot see another way. Lewis will want THFC sold, he has never invested in the club, he only purchased the shares, can't see him investing towards a larger stadium, can you?

The money will be coming from our pockets. If we get an Abramovich in we will be laughing. All it will mean is quicker trigger happy bosses, but what the hell, at least we'll have a shout of challenging for once.

Let's look at it this way, right now in the PL recent takeovers have seen 10 clubs given more investment by an outside backer with a further 4 or 5 rumoured to be targetted.

It'll be the only way to survive let alone challenge within a few years.

[peterc]

The money will be coming from our pockets. If we get an Abramovich in we will be laughing. All it will mean is quicker trigger happy bosses, but what the hell, at least we'll have a shout of challenging for once.

Let's look at it this way, right now in the PL recent takeovers have seen 10 clubs given more investment by an outside backer with a further 4 or 5 rumoured to be targetted.

It'll be the only way to survive let alone challenge within a few years.

Yeah, we need someone like Abramovich, anyone with loads of money to spare?, please bail us out ASAP.;)

[berbzy 'G']

Yeah, we need someone like Abramovich, anyone with loads of money to spare?, please bail us out ASAP.;)

yeah but all the players we've been linked with so far don't wanna come to us...

lol, not even Titus Bramble!!! :o

[peterc]

yeah but all the players we've been linked with so far don't wanna come to us...

lol, not even Titus Bramble!!! :o

If we manage to get an owner with loads of dosh, that might attract a few of them, money talks alot in the football business.;)

[berbzy 'G']

If we manage to get an owner with loads of dosh, that might attract a few of them, money talks alot in the football business.;)


very true, I mean look at steve sidwell and ben haim for Chelsea, before they even went to the blues they knew they wouldn't get first team play, so they must of just gone for the money (so would i :))

[TURKISH]

Has splashing the cash ever been our problem? We have done that for years and hasn't got us anywhere, i believe the problem has been the players who we have brought.

Don't need to spend 20million on good players we just need to identify the players and not just keep ***** footing around buying players who will not take us that next step steed, lee, stalteri, zokora ect.

Now two years in a row we have spent near the same amount of money what man u and liverpool have spent but we wasn't as dominate as the season we spent know more than 15million (the season davids, jenas, lennon ect came in).

Im actually happy as the things stand. There are allways things fans dont agree with but i don't think we can do any better on the whole chairman front. We spend healthy amounts during the windows so whats the problems?

[singapore spur]

Has splashing the cash ever been our problem? We have done that for years and hasn't got us anywhere, i believe the problem has been the players who we have brought.

Don't need to spend 20million on good players we just need to identify the players and not just keep ***** footing around buying players who will not take us that next step.

Now two years in a row we have spent near the same amount of money what man u and liverpool have spent but we wasn't as dominate as the season we spent know more than 15million (the season davids, jenas, lennon ect came in).

Im actually happy as the things stand. There are allways things fans dont agree with but i don't think we can do any better on the whole chairman front. We spend healthy amounts during the windows so whats the problems?

agreed , i think the cash ahs been available for transfers , but we havent targeted the right options , or the salary and age cap have hampered us

[Keanoldinho]

Has splashing the cash ever been our problem? We have done that for years and hasn't got us anywhere, i believe the problem has been the players who we have brought.

Don't need to spend 20million on good players we just need to identify the players and not just keep ***** footing around buying players who will not take us that next step steed, lee, stalteri, zokora ect.

Now two years in a row we have spent near the same amount of money what man u and liverpool have spent but we wasn't as dominate as the season we spent know more than 15million (the season davids, jenas, lennon ect came in).

Im actually happy as the things stand. There are allways things fans dont agree with but i don't think we can do any better on the whole chairman front. We spend healthy amounts during the windows so whats the problems?


We spend alot on transfers but not alot on wages. We may spend the same or close to Man U and Liverpool on the transfer fees front but they're paying top player wages and we're not. It all boils down to the stadium issue they've got bigger stadiums so they're making more money and can afford higher wages.

We could probably afford better wages to but then our overall turnover wouldn't be as much so we wouldn't have as much for transfer fees it's a double edged sword.

Now if some billionaire foriegn bloke came along and bought us then he could build us a nice shiny new stadium hence solving the problem quick fast in a hurry for us. Plus we wouldn't be in debt if he bought it himself. It must be great being a billionaire being able to buy 600million pound stadiums and islands and stuff.

Bottom line is if we don't sort our stadium issue out mainly getting it to at least 60k then we're going to get left behind and that's never fun. I don't give a shit how we do it as long as it gets done. Levy knows this that's why he's hiring all these developers and engineers and shite to solve the problem and get it done.

[TURKISH]

Has splashing the cash ever been our problem? We have done that for years and hasn't got us anywhere, i believe the problem has been the players who we have brought.

Don't need to spend 20million on good players we just need to identify the players and not just keep ***** footing around buying players who will not take us that next step steed, lee, stalteri, zokora ect.

Now two years in a row we have spent near the same amount of money what man u and liverpool have spent but we wasn't as dominate as the season we spent know more than 15million (the season davids, jenas, lennon ect came in).

Im actually happy as the things stand. There are allways things fans dont agree with but i don't think we can do any better on the whole chairman front. We spend healthy amounts during the windows so whats the problems?


We spend alot on transfers but not alot on wages. We may spend the same or close to Man U and Liverpool on the transfer fees front but they're paying top player wages and we're not. It all boils down to the stadium issue they've got bigger stadiums so they're making more money and can afford higher wages.

We could probably afford better wages to but then our overall turnover wouldn't be as much so we wouldn't have as much for transfer fees it's a double edged sword.

Now if some billionaire foriegn bloke came along and bought us then he could build us a nice shiny new stadium hence solving the problem quick fast in a hurry for us. Plus we wouldn't be in debt if he bought it himself. It must be great being a billionaire being able to buy 600million pound stadiums and islands and stuff.

Bottom line is if we don't sort our stadium issue out mainly getting it to at least 60k then we're going to get left behind and that's never fun. I don't give a shit how we do it as long as it gets done. Levy knows this that's why he's hiring all these developers and engineers and shite to solve the problem and get it done.

This is my point at least Levy is not a stupid man and he is at least taking us forward. We will be in a new stadium with at least 55,000 capacity and we are in europe with a well run club. A new world class training ground will soon be built but maybe the wage structure isn't as big as fans want it to be.........................but is that a problem earning 50k a week? I wouldn't mind and the last thing i want to happen is another leeds.

But keano are we in debt? I thought our debts were sorted a few years ago?

[Keanoldinho]

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This is my point at least Levy is not a stupid man and he is at least taking us forward. We will be in a new stadium with at least 55,000 capacity and we are in europe with a well run club. A new world class training ground will soon be built but maybe the wage structure isn't as big as fans want it to be.........................but is that a problem earning 50k a week? I wouldn't mind and the last thing i want to happen is another leeds.

But keano are we in debt? I thought our debts were sorted a few years ago?


we will be when we build a new stadium that's the main reason I think a mega rich billionaire wouldn't be a terrible idea as long as he coughed up the loot to build us a new stadium then we wouldn't be in debt we'd probably have to name it after him though to satisfy his billionaire ego.:rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

[QUOTE=Keanoldinho;69404][/B]

This is my point at least Levy is not a stupid man and he is at least taking us forward. We will be in a new stadium with at least 55,000 capacity and we are in europe with a well run club. A new world class training ground will soon be built but maybe the wage structure isn't as big as fans want it to be.........................but is that a problem earning 50k a week? I wouldn't mind and the last thing i want to happen is another leeds.

But keano are we in debt? I thought our debts were sorted a few years ago?


we will be when we build a new stadium that's the main reason I think a mega rich billionaire wouldn't be a terrible idea as long as he coughed up the loot to build us a new stadium then we wouldn't be in debt we'd probably have to name it after him though to satisfy his billionaire ego.:rolleyes:


I dont think we will be taking any unwanted risk with stadium and training ground. Everything is an investment and im sure we have other board memebers who chip in. Arsenal were able to do it so why not us?

[Keanoldinho]

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I dont think we will be taking any unwanted risk with stadium and training ground. Everything is an investment and im sure we have other board memebers who chip in. Arsenal were able to do it so why not us?


the scum are in debt something like 200 million and they were very nearly fecked if we got fourth place 2 seasons ago remember the dodgy lasanga season. I still think they had something to do with that.:mad:

[TURKISH]

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the scum are in debt something like 200 million and they were very nearly fecked if we got fourth place 2 seasons ago remember the dodgy lasanga season. I still think they had something to do with that.:mad:

Oh yer of course but we arent banking on champions league maybe uefa? Im not sure i think the stadium pays for itself in the long run.

[Keanoldinho]

yeah Levy is a good businessman so I'm sure he won't have us pulling a Leeds and the stadium would definately pay for itself in the long run but there'd be a monthly payment for probably 30 years or something like buying a house only the mortgage for a stadium would probably be a insane amount of money each month

[TURKISH]

yeah Levy is a good businessman so I'm sure he won't have us pulling a Leeds and the stadium would definately pay for itself in the long run but there'd be a monthly payment for probably 30 years or something like buying a house only the mortgage for a stadium would probably be a insane amount of money each month

Levy said all will be revealed after the new year. Im not sure what i want a new stadium or stay at white hart lane, because moving from the lane for a couple fo years could destroy us?

All i want is a new 60,000 stadium!:cool:

[Keanoldinho]

Levy said all will be revealed after the new year. Im not sure what i want a new stadium or stay at white hart lane, because moving from the lane for a couple fo years could destroy us?

All i want is a new 60,000 stadium!:cool:



what will be will be one things for sure though Levy has taken his time with this and looked at all possible options so what ever he decides I'm sure it will be what's best for the club and our future

[TURKISH]

what will be will be one things for sure though Levy has taken his time with this and looked at all possible options so what ever he decides I'm sure it will be what's best for the club and our future

As long as it doesn't turn into the everton fiasco!:eek: :confused: :p

[Keanoldinho]

As long as it doesn't turn into the everton fiasco!:eek: :confused: :p


it wouldn't surprise me with our lot of fans

[mjbmedia]

thing is if we finish 3rd in the table who do we get in the knockout round? isnt it the CL drop outs not sure who they all are but Benfica :eek: spring to mind

or is it 2nd placed teams get CL dropouts and 3rd play 1st?? :confused:

[peterc]

Some of us seem to forget that Levy is not the owner of Enic or THFC, Mr Lewis is the main man, I can't see him investing a penny in the club, the only time he spent his own money was to buy the shares. That's why we need a billionaire to takover and a complete new board. That is the only way we will move forward. Enic have turned THFC into a profitable club and the signs are that a takoever is imminent. Lewis is renowned to invest into companies, turn them into profitable ones and sell them for a fat profit.

[SurreySpur]

Kaboul has been left out of the squad for the game, i imagine Chimbonda will move into the middle with Daws with Stalteri coming in at RB.

I fancy us to get a result tonight, 2-2 or a 3-1 win with Jenas getting on the scoresheet.

[Spur]

thing is if we finish 3rd in the table who do we get in the knockout round? isnt it the CL drop outs not sure who they all are but Benfica :eek: spring to mind

or is it 2nd placed teams get CL dropouts and 3rd play 1st?? :confused:

First vs Third, Second vs CL, IIRC.

Benfica are a definate. Slavia Prague (who we beat last year) and Sporting Lisbon are other definates, despite having a game to play. The rest out of two teams to drop down: Either Rangers or Lyon, Rosenborg or Schalke and PSV or Fener.

There are two groups were everything is all over the place, the two groups in question:

Team P W D L GD Pts____Team P W D L GD Pts
1 FC Porto 5 2 2 1 -1 8____1 Real Madrid 5 2 2 1 2 8
2 Marseille 5 2 1 2 1 7_____2 Olympiakos FC 5 2 2 1 1 8
3 Liverpool 5 2 1 2 9 7_____3 Werder Bremen 5 2 0 3 -2 6
4 Besiktas 5 2 0 3 -9 6_____4 Lazio 5 1 2 2 -1 5

So either way, if you think drawing against Famagusta, or scraping wins against the likes of AaB and Anderlecht and losing to Getafe was bad - it's about to get a helluva lot worse.

Bear in mind everything i've just said is only based on the league tables as I see them, I don't know who is playing who and how it would affect the tables. Nor do I really care. I think it's one of the worst rules in football but then they've been ****ing up the Euro Comps for years now.

Oh, Turkish and Keano, may I just be the first to say, you've both just had several mares each with the old quoting button :o Someone said PeterC is giving out lessons next week.

[Spur]

Kaboul has been left out of the squad for the game, i imagine Chimbonda will move into the middle with Daws with Stalteri coming in at RB.

I fancy us to get a result tonight, 2-2 or a 3-1 win with Jenas getting on the scoresheet.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11675_2948575,00.html

See Zokora's comment -

He said: "It's difficult for Younes, but he is a strong boy.

"When we lose everybody says Spurs have s**t defenders but we play together and want to help together for the good of the team - everything, not just defence, midfield or striker."

[jrio]

Tottenham: Robinson, Chimbonda, Dawson, Huddlestone, Lee, Lennon, Malbranque, Zokora, Jenas, Keane, Bent

Subs: Cerny, Tainio, Stalteri, Berbatov, Boateng, Defoe, Taarabt

Zokora at CB(unless it's Hudd) and Bent in for Berb. Some sound changes made there.

[SurreySpur]

Good line-up from Juande.

Im pleased to see Bent given a start and hopefully the Hudd will get a good feel of the ball early on so he can dictate the tempo.

[wayne wonder]

****ing hell i hope keano's not gonna have a mare :mad:

[denis-cro]

This is terrible...our fist touch is ****ing terrible !!!!!!!!! FFS :mad:

[rootman69]

God this is depressing. It's not that spurs are playing completely shit (though I don't think they are to far off it), it's that there is no spark from the team. I'm finding it kind of hard to watch.

[wayne wonder]

i ****ing hate this!!! shit shit shit shit touch of a rapist the lot of em!!:mad:

[shakey18]

It's a game fit for Channel 5.

[shakey18]

Who the **** is the co-commentator on Channel 5?.What an annoying ****.Oh and Pat Nevin and John Barnes at half-time!.I won't be able to decipher a ****in word they say.

[wayne wonder]

It's a game fit for Channel 5.

tell me bout it mate im on the phone cant even be arsed to watch!! only dawson seems to wanna play

[rootman69]

**** lucky there whatever the reason. But I smell a goal coming from Anderlecht.

Does it really even matter if we finish 1st or 2nd as whoever we play is proably going to tank us anyway.......

[denis-cro]

This is embarrassing... After watching first half of this game I must admit, that first time since we lost to Sunderland, I´m really scared for our Premiership future. I completely lost confidence in Spurs´players... :(

[peterc]

Come on guys, the pitch conditions are not that great, it not easy playing under such conditions, let's all stop the whinging and hope we settle down better in the second half.

[rootman69]

Think Boateng should def' be brought on

[berbzy 'G']

what a shit game, and getafe are winning by the way...

[jrio]

Think Boateng should def' be brought on

Or at least a boat, as the rain continues to teem down.

[wayne wonder]

This is shocking i dont care if its raining or not the ****s get paid a lot of dough to play football they couldn't trap a ****ing balloon!!

[berbzy 'G']

why is it when we get the ****ing ball, you just know that we're gonna give it away again!!! ****ing useless!!!

[wayne wonder]

OH MY ****ING GOD!!

Get defoe and berbs on because this is ****ed

[jrio]

This is shocking i dont care if its raining or not the ****s get paid a lot of dough to play football they couldn't trap a ****ing balloon!!

Very difficult to trap a balloon with your foot. More pertinent to say they couldn't trap a bag of wet sand.

[wayne wonder]

Very difficult to trap a balloon with your foot. More pertinent to say they couldn't trap a bag of wet sand.

Not if it's deflated!!:p

[rootman69]

Catch Jenas's pass there. ****ing weaker like!! I think the players instead of trapping a bag of wet sand (which would proably prove impossible) but ****ing pay them in bags of wet sand.

[shakey18]

****in bag of shite

[rootman69]

Dawson, Jenas etc,etc, etc oh why bother.

[wayne wonder]

****ing great!!

bunch of *****s cant even defend stupid ****s :mad:

[denis-cro]

Ha ha ha ha... this is getting funny... Dawson ??? Not even Millwall would be interested in such an terrible defender !!! FFS !!!

[shakey18]

Getin Dimi!!!

[rootman69]

2-1 Anderlecht

[jrio]

How football can change so quickly! Quality pen from Berb. Should be looking to win this now. Defoe and Stalteri for Bent and Lee.

FFS!

[shakey18]

Well done Robbo-shocking defending again though

[rootman69]

Lennon is piss poor. Bring on Poyet!!

[shakey18]

Have our defenders never heard of the phrase "play percentages"?.****in get rid of it!!!!

[wayne wonder]

Well done Robbo-shocking defending again though

It was a good save but did u see his initial position he was halfway up the stands robbo's positional sense worries me sometimes

[wayne wonder]

Lennon is piss poor. Bring on Poyet!!

Ditto mate ****ing ditto

[shakey18]

It was a good save but did u see his initial position he was halfway up the stands robbo's positional sense worries me sometimes

Yeah he does still worry me at times, but playing behind that defence is bound to affect you!

[wayne wonder]

i swe we're creeping into the "lets score against spurs in the last min" time again :(

[shakey18]

****in animals!!:mad:

[wayne wonder]

Yeah he does still worry me at times, but playing behind that defence is bound to affect you!

True i'd kick the ****ers in the arse!!

[shakey18]

Shithouse game, but at least we're through.

[rootman69]

your quite right. That commentater is a ****. he seems to think that Ramos would be perfectly happy with a draw. **** me what next.

[Keanoldinho]

did anyone see this got it off the BBC site


2131: After a goalmouth scramble, both Michael Dawson and Didier Zokora lie injured in the penalty area and it quickly becomes evident they have been hit by objects thrown from the crowd. Both are fine to continue.

[rootman69]

did anyone see this got it off the BBC site


2131: After a goalmouth scramble, both Michael Dawson and Didier Zokora lie injured in the penalty area and it quickly becomes evident they have been hit by objects thrown from the crowd. Both are fine to continue.
Ack the crowd where only trying to knock some sense into them.....

[shakey18]

There was quite a bit of shit being thrown.Robbo handed over a few more things to the 4th official as he left including a metal bar!.

[berbzy 'G']

didn't know Zokora could speak English...

[nuttyhotspurs]

the commentators kept sayin what a fantastic game dawson had. yea he cleared his lines well, but whats the point in doing that when your going to have an almighty cock up at some point in EVERY game. his fault for the goal AGAIN. ****in liability.

and another thing........ lee is ****in shite!! **** off back to korea u useless ****

[denis-cro]

and another thing........ lee is ****in shite!! **** off back to korea u useless ****

We all know that ! ;)

[SurreySpur]

the commentators kept sayin what a fantastic game dawson had. yea he cleared his lines well, but whats the point in doing that when your going to have an almighty cock up at some point in EVERY game. his fault for the goal AGAIN. ****in liability.

and another thing........ lee is ****in shite!! **** off back to korea u useless ****

Thats ****ing harsh, I dont agree with that at all, Lee's proved himself to be a decent left-back for spurs admittedly after a dodgy start.

[Ginola's Son]

I thought that was an entertaining game actually. Funny how I'm positive when you are negative.

I think the defending for their goal was shocking. I also thought it wasn't a penalty.

However, we are through, lets worry about UEFA in the new year, and climb up that bloody league!

[SurreySpur]

I thought that was an entertaining game actually. Funny how I'm positive when you are negative.

I think the defending for their goal was shocking. I also thought it wasn't a penalty.

However, we are through, lets worry about UEFA in the new year, and climb up that bloody league!

Bloody hell you've cheered up a bit GS!! :p

But i agree, hopefully when the next stage comes around we'll be in better form.

[wayne wonder]

didn't know Zokora could speak English...

all of them can they're just god damn lazy and cant be arsed

[Ginola's Son]

Bloody hell you've cheered up a bit GS!! :p

But i agree, hopefully when the next stage comes around we'll be in better form.

Yeah, I have a bit. Sorry for the last few days, but I've been utterly distraught. Dawson's defending, aside from the goal (which was also YLP's fault) was actually splendid...and Robbo made some smart saves.

We need to escape 2007 with at least 18-20 points.

[Gino Ginelli]

Woeful game, mostly effected by the conditions. The pitch was greasier than Berbatov's hair. Really seperated the good footballers from the chaff. Berbatov made controlling the ball look easy, whilst most of the others, even Keane, couldn't cope with it. He had a bad game actually. Looked really affected from Sunday.

I'm going to highlight Chimbonda though for stinker of the match. He was abysmal. Barely a pass completed and dithered alot. The general quality and confidence of the passing was terrible in general, with no real positivity. And of course the passing isn't made easier by a lack of intelligent movement. Acre's of open space was ignored instead of being ran into, and we were getting alot of space.

Of course I have to mention the defending and Dawson. This was the pick of the season's bunch of cock ups. Daws & JJ right there next to the ball, both of them looking at it and each other going "uhh.. are you gonna get that?" The guy who scored must have thought it was christmas. Beyond a joke.

Personally, I thought we were very very lucky to get that point. We were shite.

But then Anderlecht disgraced themselves, and the defender who gave away the pen should have been sent off (the ref was frankly useless). But the fans throwing the lighters and seat frames; ****ing disgrace. I hope their next Euro game is behind closed doors, or if away then no travelling fans allowed. Bloody animals.

[Apples]

Yeah, I have a bit. Sorry for the last few days, but I've been utterly distraught. Dawson's defending, aside from the goal (which was also YLP's fault) was actually splendid...and Robbo made some smart saves.

We need to escape 2007 with at least 18-20 points.

Not being funny mate, but Adebayor would of had a field day against Dawson there, was only coz the team we were playing were ****ing shite! Dawson is a lump of shit simple as...his positioning is senseless!

[Ginola's Son]

Rubbish.

We KNOW Dawson is class. He's just gotta get it back

[Gino Ginelli]

Dawson is not shit. His form last season was outstanding, and one of our reasons for getting to 5th. He still can develop into a top CB, but drastically misses King's guidance and partnership. Playing with Kaboul has lowered his game completely. The guy no longer knows what to do for the best. Chimbonda doesn't help him either.

The sooner a top CB comes in alongside him the better, because you can forget Bent; the biggest waste of money in the summer gone was 8m for Younes Kaboul.

[corkspur]

Jenas and Huddlestone were shocking,the passing was horrendous by the pair of them.dont know how we got a point as we were shit.Supporting spurs has me going grey before my time!!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

Thats ****ing harsh, I dont agree with that at all, Lee's proved himself to be a decent left-back for spurs admittedly after a dodgy start.

hes proven **** all to me. he doesnt get close enough to attackers, offers them far to much space and time to shoot or cross. he gets forward a lot and gets into good positions but his crossing is diabolical (almost as bad as lennon). i cant for the life of me remember one decent cross he has put in since he joined spurs.

people say hes right footed and is played out of position on the left. he cant cross with either feet!

all in all a complete waste of space

[Gino Ginelli]

Lee has developed into a solid and reliable left back. Only Bale would play there ahead of him, and IMO Bale should be playing LW, with Lee behind him at full back. They have a good understanding between them. Lee has gotten whatever out of position midfielder filling in at LW out of trouble on countless occasions after they'd drifted inside, be it Steed, Tainio or Davids.

He's much better than Ekotto I'll tell you. His failings are going forward though. He's seems to feel that he must beat one player before putting the ball in, and his crosses aren't the best. But then it's 50% poor delivery, 50% our forwards / AM not really trying hard enough to get in to collect it.

But this leads me into a problem with modern football that has bugged me for over a decade. A vital part of training for me would be to get players to use both feet. How many times do we see a terrific opportunity for a through ball or a shot go begging because said player must shift it onto their 'good' foot. E.G.; Lee ( and Steed while we're here ) must turn a player to get it onto their right foot to put it in. Also, if Lennon needs to beat someone and finds himself on his left, he can only lay it off the Chimbo, as his left is pathetic.

They get paid enough to only be able to kick it with one foot. At that level, they shouldn't even need to think about it, just use your left, don't be scared!

[Apples]

Sometimes no point having a view on here.

Dawson was not good last year the only reason we got to 5th was when King come back. Dawson has never been good unless he plays with Ledley King coz Ledders can cover all of his **** up mistakes and positioning!

If you play with the best defender in the world its gonna make you look a lot better than you are!

[neilmcnab]

its the british game very over reliant on strength and they sacrifice technique, and genuine skill, england needs an upheavel in their coaching practices,
look at the arse who in their team doesnt look comfortable on the ball? whether their 17, 18, or 32, they all happy on the ball,
last nite jj, hudd, didnt want the ball, didnt make space, no movement to receive the ball, and were so poor,

i cant remember spurs bossing the midfield, in any game this season, or for that matter last season.

keane needs to concentrate on his game, he dummying himself and our players, stops the game in 1st half complaining about the ball,

no other players were complaining,whats all that about, and they got the ball from restart. keane needs to shut his mouth, and play as a striker,in the oponents goal zone,

bent, least said the better,

ramos got his work cut out, AND I THINK HE,LL SURPRISE US WHO HE BRINGS IN AND WHO IS NOT IN HIS PLANS,

AS IN SAVILLA HE DONT LIKE TO LOSE, AND IF PLAYERS CANT DO THE JOB THEN OTHERS GET A CHANCE,
KANOUTE IS EXAMPLE, WE GOT RID SAYING HE LAZY, POUND FOR POUND HE KILLS ALL OUR STRIKERS TOGETHER,
VERY EFFECTIVE AT HOLDING THE BALL UP CAN DRIBBLE BRINGS PLAYERS INTO GAME AND OF COURSE THE MAGIC INGREDIENCE HE SCORES AND NOT 1 AT A TIME, ITS USUALLY 2 OR 3 WITH FREDDY.

[Ginola's Son]

Sometimes no point having a view on here.

You mean one that we'll automatically agree with?

[Spur]

Sometimes no point having a view on here.

Dawson was not good last year the only reason we got to 5th was when King come back. Dawson has never been good unless he plays with Ledley King coz Ledders can cover all of his **** up mistakes and positioning!

If you play with the best defender in the world its gonna make you look a lot better than you are!

Ledley came back and we continued to leak and leak and leak goals.

[Gino Ginelli]

Sometimes no point having a view on here.

Dawson was not good last year the only reason we got to 5th was when King come back. Dawson has never been good unless he plays with Ledley King coz Ledders can cover all of his **** up mistakes and positioning!

If you play with the best defender in the world its gonna make you look a lot better than you are!

A. King is not the best defender in the world. He is bloody good, but not 'the best'

B. Dawson's positioning and steadfastedness have been his strengths during his career so far. It has'nt been until this season that he's started making these errors.

Stop knee-jerking.

[Spur]

The game was terrible, i'm hoping it was brought on because of the conditions and the ref being so bad.

We couldn't get any kind of rhythm going, our passing was atrocious. Dawson's defending, and I think it was Jenas behind him not marking the man on back post, was terrible. But they will know that. Dawson knew that within seconds hence going down on the floor.

I didn't think it was a penalty. The commentators were so pro us it was unreal. They said Zokora made a good challange at one end - which it was - and then we saw exactly the same thing down the other end and they said he took his legs.

Huddlestone made an early impression but died out. Jenas started the night brightly but it quickly turned to poor again. Bent was poor up front as was Lennon on the right.

Robinson had a good game again though. Steed played very well in the first half. I think our only chance to win the game was if Boateng had come on, but obviously Lee got injured which reminds me...

...We've run out of left backs again.

Not the sort of performance I was expecting to see after a loss.

[Ginola's Son]

Yeah, I agree about all that.

But it wasn't a BAD game. Two inept teams can still produce an end to end game.

[Apples]

A. King is not the best defender in the world. He is bloody good, but not 'the best'

B. Dawson's positioning and steadfastedness have been his strengths during his career so far. It has'nt been until this season that he's started making these errors.

Stop knee-jerking.

Lol OK King is up there with the best!

Dawson's positioning is still awful though, watch all the goals we conceed and see where Dawson is, normally on par with Kaboul who are both awful. Remember Chelski's goal last year the stupid things he does.

Damn it i dont really understand our team, they can be so woeful like yesterday and yet still so brilliant at times!

[Spur]

Yeah, I agree about all that.

But it wasn't a BAD game. Two inept teams can still produce an end to end game.

End to end perhaps, but I still think it was bad yes. I didn't enjoy watching it put it that way.

I think the ref is to blame mostly, far, far too whistle happy he had an absolute mare, but there were also only few clear cut chances I think.

One i'll gladly forget quickly.

[RuFuS]

Damn it i dont really understand our team, they can be so woeful like yesterday and yet still so brilliant at times!

We're spurs and that's what we do ;)

Some times you have to play to your strengths, which at the moment is getting the ball as far away from Robbo as possible. Different teams present different problems and you have to adjust accordingly. Playing Bent & lennon with (height and speed) gives us the option to go route 1. ie get the ball as far away from our goal as quickly as possibly. The problem is that it comes back as quick as our mid-field can't close down effectivly which expose's the back 4 and we're under pressue again. Dropping Zakora into defense was a good idea. Replacing him with Hudds was not. I'd have given Tanio or Boatang the job.

The main thing is that we've settled one part of our season for the moment. Qualification. Now we need some points,11 out of the next 5 games would be good but i fear we're going to get spanked in at least 1.
That leaves Man city in the cc, which is shit or bust with a view that in the next round if we were to get through, it is going to be very tough.
Reading in the FA is a similar game but thier form is not as good as Man C so i can see a win there.

[berbzy 'G']

We're spurs and that's what we do ;)

Some times you have to play to your strengths, which at the moment is getting the ball as far away from Robbo as possible. Different teams present different problems and you have to adjust accordingly. Playing Bent & lennon with (height and speed) gives us the option to go route 1. ie get the ball as far away from our goal as quickly as possibly. The problem is that it comes back as quick as our mid-field can't close down effectivly which expose's the back 4 and we're under pressue again. Dropping Zakora into defense was a good idea. Replacing him with Hudds was not. I'd have given Tanio or Boatang the job.

The main thing is that we've settled one part of our season for the moment. Qualification. Now we need some points,11 out of the next 5 games would be good but i fear we're going to get spanked in at least 1.That leaves Man city in the cc, which is shit or bust with a view that in the next round if we were to get through, it is going to be very tough.
Reading in the FA is a similar game but thier form is not as good as Man C so i can see a win there.


Thats gonna be so tough... I wouldn't be saying that if you said it last season... We've got:

Man City
Portsmouth
Arsenal
Fulham
Reading

To be honest, I can only see 5 points (if that) against these teams this month... :(

[Apples]

Thats gonna be so tough... I wouldn't be saying that if you said it last season... We've got:

Man City
Portsmouth
Arsenal
Fulham
Reading

To be honest, I can only see 5 points (if that) against these teams this month... :(

Call me an optimist but I dont see why we can't 12 at least

[peterc]

Call me an optimist but I dont see why we can't 12 at least

Looking at it in a realistic way, it is going to be very tough, however, I hope your optimism is correct.;)

[jrio]

Looking at it in a realistic way, it is going to be very tough, however, I hope your optimism is correct.;)
Looking at it in a realistic way, it is going to be very tough for me to believe that you will stop using that winking icon, however inappropriate it maybe. I hope my pessimism is incorrect.;)

;) I just don't believe it will happen. ;)

But if it do(sic), then I will be happy!

[peterc]

Can't help it mate, seem to have a constant nervous twitch in my eyes. ;) ;) ;) ;)