Redders on Berbatov

[SurreySpur]

Quite a good article from Jamie about Berbatov's strop on Monday night.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=489338&in_page_id=1951

[mjbmedia]

Yeh good points well made, we need 100% fighters now, not prima donnas. Thing is the others see him do that and theyre then tempted to do likewise as he is their talisman (possibly) .
Depends how and why he was dropped, some say he had a niggle from the Internationals, idont mind him not liking not playing, but his petualnce was nearly Ghaly like especially as he needs to be much more reliable than Ghaly ever needed to be.
Defoe doesnt show much other than attempting to score himself back intothe starting line up, an attitude that every other player in the squad should copy.
(Keane excepted as he already does have an exemplery attitude)

[GOONHATER]

I think he behaved like a spoilt child and if that is how the players are treating mj off the pitch what the hell's going on in the dressing room! has he lost that aswell?

[SurreySpur]

Id like to see Jamie have a go at management one day. I wonder if he'll try it or whether he'll stick with the pundit job.

[wayne wonder]

Id like to see Jamie have a go at management one day. I wonder if he'll try it or whether he'll stick with the pundit job.

Noooo ive gone off the guy big style he's so far up lampards ass its unreal!! He thinks he knows what he's talking about when he does the champs league in the week alongside people like guillit, souness who know more than he'd ever dream of and won more.

[choda]

Yea, that was a very good article, but I'd do anything to get him off the telly.

I think he's a tit as a pundit, although I'd say he's a lovely bloke and if I knew him I'd probably say he's one of the nicest guys I know. But he doesn't do a good job on sky, in my view. He makes sky even worse.

I've one big problem with his points though, and that it is the board who have grossly undermined Jol. I think that's hogwash, Jol has undermined himself. The players were certainly with Jol to begin with. But his tactical incompetency has not only lost him results but now it would seem also the dressing room.

The board have actually been lenient of late. Let's face it if Jol had cleared out his errors from last year instead of not doing so and even compounding it by reverted back to schoolboy errors from the start of last year then the pants down talking to Ramos meeting would be history now and the board, players and fans would all be right behind Jol and not wanting anyone else.

Jamie made reference to Mourinho, but Mourinho was undermined all of last year by his board. It made **** all of a difference. He still had the players because he still knew his stuff to a huge degree. His main issue last year was injuries and his usual problems with pr and the finer aspects of good quality football.

As for them on the telly: Our match the last day on setanta was the first time I'd ever seen english punditry be even half-decent. It was real, honest and passionate, plus there was some half-decent analysis.

Why aren't the other english channels like that? The beeb, itv and sky are pathetic to the extreme.

I reckon the presenter was a spurs fan too, along with Sherwood and of course Robbo was there. Did they even mention newcastle? Lol.

I didn't see the presenter ripping into Robbo. I heard he was a bit harsh and personal, like asking him of he'd continue to pick himself, but at least it was honest and direct which is 1000% better than the usual shite on english football programs.

[mjbmedia]

OOO O O OOOO Wait a minute

Setanta just happens to be ehhhhhhh Irish

Well what a surprise :D

[choda]

OOO O O OOOO Wait a minute

Setanta just happens to be ehhhhhhh Irish

Well what a surprise :D

Setanta 1 isn't Irish, is it?

Setanta Ireland is just a faction of Setanta, is it not?

[wayne wonder]

Sherwood's written a great article in the sun toda totally its home and totally curses chimbonda out like the rat he is!!!!

[mjbmedia]

Setanta 1 isn't Irish, is it?

Setanta Ireland is just a faction of Setanta, is it not?
Ahh to be sure, to be sure now then, Setanta is majority an Irish company, but im only dissing with you bruv.

[choda]

Ahh to be sure, to be sure now then, Setanta is majority an Irish company, but im only dissing with you bruv.

Okay, maybe that would explain it. It's probably the producers, you know. I've said that before. Maybe english prdiuders main aim is never to upset ANYONE and always have the studio 'nice.'

If you ever get to watch RTE for the big games, they are the best by miles. They must have great producers and the presenter Bill O'Herlihy is a legend. He always wants no bullshit truth and ups the anty, and trust me Giles and Dunphy need no upping of the anty anyway. Plus, equally important is that they generally have their shit wrapped tight.

[TURKISH]

Yea, that was a very good article, but I'd do anything to get him off the telly.

I think he's a tit as a pundit, although I'd say he's a lovely bloke and if I knew him I'd probably say he's one of the nicest guys I know. But he doesn't do a good job on sky, in my view. He makes sky even worse.

I've one big problem with his points though, and that it is the board who have grossly undermined Jol. I think that's hogwash, Jol has undermined himself. The players were certainly with Jol to begin with. But his tactical incompetency has not only lost him results but now it would seem also the dressing room.

The board have actually been lenient of late. Let's face it if Jol had cleared out his errors from last year instead of not doing so and even compounding it by reverted back to schoolboy errors from the start of last year then the pants down talking to Ramos meeting would be history now and the board, players and fans would all be right behind Jol and not wanting anyone else.

Jamie made reference to Mourinho, but Mourinho was undermined all of last year by his board. It made **** all of a difference. He still had the players because he still knew his stuff to a huge degree. His main issue last year was injuries and his usual problems with pr and the finer aspects of good quality football.

As for them on the telly: Our match the last day on setanta was the first time I'd ever seen english punditry be even half-decent. It was real, honest and passionate, plus there was some half-decent analysis.

Why aren't the other english channels like that? The beeb, itv and sky are pathetic to the extreme.

I reckon the presenter was a spurs fan too, along with Sherwood and of course Robbo was there. Did they even mention newcastle? Lol.

I didn't see the presenter ripping into Robbo. I heard he was a bit harsh and personal, like asking him of he'd continue to pick himself, but at least it was honest and direct which is 1000% better than the usual shite on english football programs.

I got the impression apart from steve mcmanaman who was the only person who wasn't a spurs fan (i dont think he is anyway) the pundits were right to slag off spurs and robbo couldnt say anything and that was something i wanted to see because the way the team has been playing (and jol) they need to be shouted at.

Why should pundits just because a players there patronise him and tell him spurs will do allright? All our players have been shit this season apart from keano, bale and defoe.

And that chimbonda needs a telling off or he can **** off back were he came from. I'd rather average players who will run there bollocks off our pretty good players who think they are too good to be running about and get stuck in!

[choda]

I got the impression apart from steve mcmanaman who was the only person who wasn't a spurs fan (i dont think he is anyway) the pundits were right to slag off spurs and robbo couldnt say anything and that was something i wanted to see because the way the team has been playing (and jol) they need to be shouted at.

Why should pundits just because a players there patronise him and tell him spurs will do allright? All our players have been shit this season apart from keano, bale and defoe.

And that chimbonda needs a telling off or he can **** off back were he came from. I'd rather average players who will run there bollocks off our pretty good players who think they are too good to be running about and get stuck in!

Well yea, but it's not so much patronising, but general cluelessness and skirting around the issues that generally goes on in the beeb, sky and itv. It just lacks integrity and incisiveness or something.

We've one channel in Ireland TV3 and they are the same as the english channels, ****ing awful. The studio is just as flat as a pancake and they say dick all.

I mean the great thing about football is there are always juicy issues to get your teeth into. I can't think of anything easier than making an entertaining and gripping football program. But I suppose you have to have guys who are willing to say exactly what they think and also to know what they are talking about.

I'm sure there are good english pundits, but it seems that the producers are are absolutely shite in england. Can anybody shed some light on why that might be?

Sponsorship threats? Can't see how, everybody in Ireland watched RTE during the world cup, which means more viewers.

Culture? I don't know.

[TURKISH]

Well yea, but it's not so much patronising, but general cluelessness and skirting around the issues that generally goes on in the beeb, sky and itv. It just lacks integrity and incisiveness or something.

We've one channel in Ireland TV3 and they are the same as the english channels, ****ing awful. The studio is just as flat as a pancake and they say dick all.

I mean the great thing about football is there are always juicy issues to get your teeth into. I can't think of anything easier than making an entertaining and gripping football program. But I suppose you have to have guys who are willing to say exactly what they think and also to know what they are talking about.

I'm sure there are good english pundits, but it seems that the producers are are absolutely shite in england. Can anybody shed some light on why that might be?

Sponsorship threats? Can't see how, everybody in Ireland watched RTE during the world cup, which means more viewers.

Culture? I don't know.


I like pundits who call it down the line but nearly all of skys pundits talk utter bollocks. The only sky pundits that i like were, rodney marsh (i can understand why people hate him), paul merson as i feel he is honest and alan hansen.

I don't like all this patronise and lets not slag of any of the english players because they might get the hump, **** em tim sherwood hit the nail on the head the other night and didn't beat around the bush. It was refreshing to watch and the best thing was robbo couldn't disagree.

[choda]

I like pundits who call it down the line but nearly all of skys pundits talk utter bollocks. The only sky pundits that i like were, rodney marsh (i can understand why people hate him), paul merson as i feel he is honest and alan hansen.

I don't like all this patronise and lets not slag of any of the english players because they might get the hump, **** em tim sherwood hit the nail on the head the other night and didn't beat around the bush. It was refreshing to watch and the best thing was robbo couldn't disagree.

Exactly man. For some reason it's like that in England. The Irish players and team over here or Steve Staunton always get an honest and accurate appraisal. And I believe that's part of the reason that we relatively produce better teams than England.

The English players seem to be so far removed from reality because the press and tv are.

[Defoe8]

Berba has a serious attitude problem, and is destablaising the team with it. It's plain to see he thinks he's bigger than the whole club, and should be playing for a Top 4 side.

So as long as we can get £25million= for him, i'd be happy to sell him to a NON English team, i'd much rather he went to Barca than United or Chelski.

[TURKISH]

Exactly man. For some reason it's like that in England. The Irish players and team over here or Steve Staunton always get an honest and accurate appraisal. And I believe that's part of the reason that we relatively produce better teams than England.

The English players seem to be so far removed from reality because the press and tv are.

Thats why i want a manager like brian clough who will not feed bullshit to our players who think they ****ing run london. I want a manager who says to players either play for me, the club and the fans or **** OFF!

I've had enough yer jol has been the main reason, but that no excuse not to give 100% to the shirt.

I played for a manager who i didn't like but i played for my team mates and gave 110% every week. But it seems we have a team full of playboys who just want the night life!

[choda]

Thats why i want a manager like brian clough who will not feed bullshit to our players who think they ****ing run london. I want a manager who says to players either play for me, the club and the fans or **** OFF!

I've had enough yer jol has been the main reason, but that no excuse not to give 100% to the shirt.

I played for a manager who i didn't like but i played for my team mates and gave 110% every week. But it seems we have a team full of playboys who just want the night life!

Lol, Brian Clough, what a legend. He said 'they wouldn't give me the England job because they were afraid I'd take over the FA... and I would have.' LOL.

By the way I think you can watch rte online if you go to the website www.rte.ie . If you click live tv you can get rte 1 and 2 and click the media player icon beside the live program, then click play live in windows media player to get the full screen. They show all the cl matches, prem highlights, Irish matches, world cups etc.

They've all the big guns on tonight for the pool match. I'd say you'd enjoy the punditry, they really are the best. Johnny Giles is definitely the best pundit I've come across.

[SurreySpur]

Lol, Brian Clough, what a legend. He said 'they wouldn't give me the England job because they were afraid I'd take over the FA... and I would have.' LOL.

By the way I think you can watch rte online if you go to the website www.rte.ie . If you click live tv you can get rte 1 and 2 and click the media player icon beside the live program, then click play live in windows media player to get the full screen. They show all the cl matches, prem highlights, Irish matches, world cups etc.

They've all the big guns on tonight for the pool match. I'd say you'd enjoy the punditry, they really are the best. Johnny Giles is definitely the best pundit I've come across.

Unfortunatley its restricted to residents of ROI:(

[jrio]

I'm sure there are good english pundits, but it seems that the producers are are absolutely shite in england. Can anybody shed some light on why that might be?

Sponsorship threats? Can't see how, everybody in Ireland watched RTE during the world cup, which means more viewers.

Culture? I don't know.
They don't want pundits who are controversial in case clubs, managers, players or institutions take offence and refuse to co-operate. Witness managers like Fergie, Allardyce and Redknapp refusing to speak to the BBC and the FA being determined to snub the BBC's bid for the FA Cup etc after Lineker sniping at Eriksson's England side. Ireland probably benefits from not being puffed up with the self-importance that the footballing fraternity has here. There's a more humble and grounded acceptance of criticism.

Sky is a major player in all of this. How often do they tell you that their featured game is going to be a feast of exciting football, only for it to be labelled "disappointing" at ht? You only have to see Lampard's reaction to criticism after the WC to understand how major footballers are unable to process negaitive views of their performance.

[choda]

This might work for non-republic residents. This is the stream file. If you load it up in media player it might just work: http://www.yousendit.com/download/V1NBT2pLZy9Qb0xIRGc9PQ

[Spur]

This might work for non-republic residents. This is the stream file. If you load it up in media player it might just work: http://www.yousendit.com/download/V1NBT2pLZy9Qb0xIRGc9PQ

Ah thanks Choda. Great cheers mate.

Tell me again though, what the **** is it?

[choda]

Ah thanks Choda. Great cheers mate.

Tell me again though, what the **** is it?

See posts 11 and 18.

[Spur]

See posts 11 and 18.

So much effort :(

[choda]

So much effort :(

You're one lazy ****er.

[Spur]

You're one lazy ****er.

*insert middle finger smiley here*

[choda]

*insert middle finger smiley here*

I'm surprised you had the inclination to lift your hand. :p