Match Thread: Newcastle United vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Keanoldinho]

I'm brick'n it about this game we always play crap against the barcodes and fat sam always tactically outsmarts Jol so I could see this game being the straw that breaks the camels back and Jol getting the boot afterwards.

Anyway I hope I'm wrong so 3-1 us with Berby sticking in 2 and Keano bagging another.

[Spur]

Loss.

But no sacking afterward. There is no-one to replace Jol, he'll be here at Christmas.

[peterc]

I predict Newcastle 2 -4 Tottenham Hotspur. COYS.

[singapore spur]

have to think there will be a lot of goals , 3-5 or it could be 5-3 , who knows

[mjbmedia]

at last a proper live game, guaranteed action etc etc instead of the normal shite V cream games they show
so 0 -0 written all over it!!;)

no I reckon this will be a classic Setanta game in the future, much like the Villa game will be , 3-4 with us coming back from 2 goals down to win it in the 2nd half.

[Gino Ginelli]

The law of averages say that we usually lose at St James' and then the geordies always lose at WHL. So probably a 2-1 defeat, with Keano continuing his scoring streak, but Milner scoring a 30 yard belter and Viduka getting a free header at the back post.

However, the Liverpool game showed what we're capable of, so I'll say sod it to the averages and go for a 2-1 win for us instead with a Keano brace, and then us defending the lead for 60 mins, leaking a consolation goal in the 93rd minute, from Owen's scuffed shot bouncing off Robbo's left knacker.

Oh, and expect JJ to characteristically balloon another shot over the Gallagate end and into the Tyne after skinning everyone on a 70 yard run, causing the geordies to laugh hysterically at us for paying 8 million for him.

[olly27]

Not sure about this one. If we play anything like we did against Liverpool, and Martin fields the same side, I think we'll get something out of the game. To be honest I hope Robbo has a good game against Russia tonight to build confidence as we all know he will start. No doubt we will concede...am going for another 2-2.

[LifeTimeYido]

I live up the toon way - i got 2 NUFC season ticket holders in my street and they are already taking the piss

They all reckon Barton and Viduka will both be fit for the the Spurs game :( - i sooo ****ing hope we dont get turned over - my life will be hell !!!:(

im in it for the win: 1-0 to the Spurs !!!:D

[\jackdaw]

Think this is going to be closer then many beleive, but in saying that it depends what team big MJ puts out. If it is the same team that played against Liverpool with the same passion and commitment then yes we have a chance.

[TURKISH]

We will go 1.0 up but end up losing.

I just cant see us getting a result in the league away from home.:(

[berbzy 'G']

It's gonna be a tough game, but a good match... Atleast we know for sure no sloppy goals are gonna happen with RObinson injured, We might keep a clean sheet...

[SurreySpur]

This is going to be a close game. Im going to go for another draw, 2-2.

[Keanoldinho]

As far as the line up goes I'd like to see


Cerny
Chimbo Kaboul Daws Lee
Lennon Zoko JJ Bale
Berby Keano

[mjbmedia]

yes mate id go with that team

[olly27]

As far as the line up goes I'd like to see


Cerny
Chimbo Kaboul Daws Lee
Lennon Zoko JJ Bale
Berby Keano

Absolutely mate, thats exactly the team I want to see and will give us the best chance of getting a positive result.

[olly27]

What do you reckon the bench will be..Gardner (if fit), Malbranque, Bent, Huddlestone, Defoe.

Or will he put in our third choice keeper Ben, forgot his surname!, for Defoe or Huddlestone?

[shakey18]

As far as the line up goes I'd like to see


Cerny
Chimbo Kaboul Daws Lee
Lennon Zoko JJ Bale
Berby Keano

Yep-happy with that:)

[TURKISH]

As far as the line up goes I'd like to see


Cerny
Chimbo Kaboul Daws Lee
Lennon Zoko JJ Bale
Berby Keano

Yer Man good team let the winning streak begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[shakey18]

Ben Alnwick?-Isn't he on loan to Luton at the mo?

[olly27]

[QUOTE=olly27;63742]
Or will he put in our third choice keeper Ben, forgot his surname!QUOTE]

Alnwick-Isn't he on loan to Luton at the mo?

Yes mate I think your right.

[Spur]

Chances have significantly improved now Robbo is out.

But 1) it's away, 2) it's up north and 3) it's against Allardyce, who despite being an advocate of rubbish has something over Jol.

[berbzy 'G']

As If By Magic I've Had A Feeling Come Across Me Saying Tottenham Will Beat Newcastle 2 0!!!!!!!!!!!

[olly27]

Berbatov and Keane to score...just a question how many we concede..hopefully 2-1 to us with Viduka scoring for them.

[peterc]

Chances have significantly improved now Robbo is out.

But 1) it's away, 2) it's up north and 3) it's against Allardyce, who despite being an advocate of rubbish has something over Jol.

Can we have something positive from you for a change?:rolleyes: .

[shakey18]

Can we have something positive from you for a change?:rolleyes: .

Prehaps he's just being a realist.Years as a Spurs fan does that to you!.

[peterc]

Prehaps he's just being a realist.Years as a Spurs fan does that to you!.
Could it also be that some might want immediate glory but others are willing to be more patient.

[shakey18]

Could it also be that some might want immediate glory but others are willing to be more patient.

One mans shit is another mans treasure....

[peterc]

One mans shit is another mans treasure....

Well, it sure ain't shit, must be bullshit.

[mjbmedia]

Prehaps he's just being a realist.Years as a Spurs fan does that to you!.
but hes only 24!!!ish

[peterc]

but hes only 24!!!ish

And mentality of a twelve year old.:p

[shakey18]

but hes only 24!!!ish

...and if, like me he'd been a Tottenham fan since the age of 5, that makes him a fan of 19 years, which is enough to make anyone a cynic.

[shakey18]

And mentality of a twelve year old.:p

Pots , kettles Pete!

[Spur]

And mentality of a twelve year old.:p

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DiamondGeezer]

reckon we will win gonna go for a 2-0

berbs to get both

[mjbmedia]

...and if, like me he'd been a Tottenham fan since the age of 5, that makes him a fan of 19 years, which is enough to make anyone a cynic.
and if he didnt start at the age of 5 then ........


Lets be honest when has Spur ever put in a positive post, no matter what happens he will find the negative in it for sure. god bless him :D

If being a realist is believing the media hype that top four was a gimme for Spurs then errrrr yeh ok . Thats what seems to have happened to way too many of you on here. Meanwhile for us dreamers we were happy with the last two seasons progress, of course we want more now but we must be dreaming if we think we will have to really work hard for it and its not gonna come easy , others will be raising their games against us more cos we are seen as one of the top teams now rather than an also ran.

In the real world, nothing comes easy, tho im sure your girlfriends might disagree with that one :p :D

[shakey18]

and if he didnt start at the age of 5 then ........


Lets be honest when has Spur ever put in a positive post, no matter what happens he will find the negative in it for sure. god bless him :D

If being a realist is believing the media hype that top four was a gimme for Spurs then errrrr yeh ok . Thats what seems to have happened to way too many of you on here. Meanwhile for us dreamers we were happy with the last two seasons progress, of course we want more now but we must be dreaming if we think we will have to really work hard for it and its not gonna come easy , others will be raising their games against us more cos we are seen as one of the top teams now rather than an also ran.

In the real world, nothing comes easy, tho im sure your girlfriends might disagree with that one :p

Hey merely trying to play devils advocate mjb.Anyone who's supported Tottenham for any length of time, will tell you the whole "Spurs are a shoe-in for 4th" stuff was very premature.I'm believe that Jol has done a great Job, and deserves credit for making us some sort of force again, but i still reserve to right to be critical of some of his decisions this season.This may be down to the whole boardroom shit thats been going on right back to the sale of Carrick, but the truth is none of us know the whole truth.Kemsley gets slagged off because of his appearance and his perceived attitude.We don't know what he's really done, it's just speculation.The lack of any tangable facts means we are having to base our views on reports that are, more often than not, bollocks.I think we all have to be aware that some of the "facts" we're basing our views on could be nothing but wapping wank.
As for your last comment, i've got one thing to say on the subject.How did you know about my "little problem"?!!!;) :D

[peterc]

Pots , kettles Pete!

Are you his secretary or something?, or can't he answer his own posts.:rolleyes:

[peterc]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thought as much, only confirming what I suspected.:p

[shakey18]

Are you his secretary or something?, or can't he answer his own posts.:rolleyes:

I'm simply answering a hypocritical point made by you.:rolleyes:

[peterc]

I'm simply answering a hypocritical point made by you.:rolleyes:

To Spur and not to you, so are you his secretary or what?:rolleyes:

[Gino Ginelli]

Oh for the love of ****ery I am sick to the back teeth of your idiocy!

You literally have made a mockery of these boards. I haven't responded or acknowledged your posts at all, as you come across as a pure simpleton. And I'm not talking about your opinions and faith in the club/jol etc. They're nothing but laudable. It's the simple fact that your are unable to have any form of discussion at all with anyone.

You challenge other people for constantly trying to change your opinion and you'll stick to your guns, but then you insult others for not agreeing with yours! Your reasoning and thought process is beyond belief! And the only way you can back up your opinions and discuss a point is to simply go "nyah, we'll see who's right / takes one to know one / your stupid!"

Grow the **** up, stop acting like a ****. I'm leaving these boards because every other post I read is you being a ****. I'm gone.

[peterc]

Oh for the love of ****ery I am sick to the back teeth of your idiocy!

You literally have made a mockery of these boards. I haven't responded or acknowledged your posts at all, as you come across as a pure simpleton. And I'm not talking about your opinions and faith in the club/jol etc. They're nothing but laudable. It's the simple fact that your are unable to have any form of discussion at all with anyone.

You challenge other people for constantly trying to change your opinion and you'll stick to your guns, but then you insult others for not agreeing with yours! Your reasoning and thought process is beyond belief! And the only way you can back up your opinions and discuss a point is to simply go "nyah, we'll see who's right / takes one to know one / your stupid!"

Grow the **** up, stop acting like a ****. I'm leaving these boards because every other post I read is you being a ****. I'm gone.

More name calling , shows your mentality. Well, if you happen to read all posts others have also agreed to my opinions, I wonder who the cock is now Gino?:D

[jrio]

A draw potentially takes us up to 13th. A win could launch us on a potential run and reduce the immediate deficit from 5th to 8 points.

A big question would be if Cerny retains his place if he gives a solid performance. Jol pointedly declined to say if he would have picked Robbo if he'd been fit. After Wednesday Robbo's career is in free-fall, and it was noticeable that Gerrard said he was "disappointed" that he had failed to hold or push away the shot leading to the winning goal. If England fail to qualify his career at international level is over for a very long time. Even with qualification I think he'd struggle to make the squad.

Jol's got to shoulder a lot of blame for this, continually defending the indefensible after it was clear no good would come of it. Management's all about making tough decisions that can lose you friends and Jol's bottled it. If he really felt Robbo didn't have any underlying problems he's been complacent and incompetent. As it is, Robbo's career is potentially in tatters.

[mjbmedia]

Aif he'd been fit. After Wednesday Robbo's career is in free-fall, and it was noticeable that Gerrard said he was "disappointed" that he had failed to hold or push away the shot leading to the winning goal. .
whilst taking little 'blame' for his own **** up in front of goal and general shit play in the whole qualifying campaign. typical scouse ****

[proto]

We're gonna win!

[MarlowSpurs]

whilst taking little 'blame' for his own **** up in front of goal and general shit play in the whole qualifying campaign. typical scouse ****

I agree while I will admit Robbo is not in the best form at the moment would any other keeper held on to that shot. The way these new balls move in the air its bloody hard keeping track of the flight let alone catching it.
As for Gerrard he can **** off

[SCIFIN17YID]

I really do hope that we can obtain the 3 points today, as right now I feel terrible, I mean every where I go people are taking the piss out of my club, and for us to be sitting at the bottom of that darn table is just dreadfull and the scumbags to be 18 points ahead of us and on top, just frustrate's me even more, I hope we can get cerny in and alot of mistakes we made in the past rectified, surely this must be the turning point to our win's to get us back up there. come on spurs get in there, the time now is 00:59 I am even going to the darn shop which is like 15 mins walk away just to load up my fridge with some beers for when I watch the match.

DAMN i must be dreaming I just checked our team fixture and its as follows:

Tottenham (from): Cerny, Forecast, Chimbonda, Dawson, Kaboul, Lee, Tainio, Malbranque, Jenas, Zokora, Bale, Keane, Berbatov, Defoe, Huddlestone, Gardner, Lennon, Bent.


heh no robinson :D w0000t, come on Cerny !

[Keanoldinho]

well as long as we don't lose we should shoot up the table a good bit, a win would be great but I'm not getting me hopes up

[SurreySpur]

After todays game we have a run of games that are all very winnable especially if were coming off a decent result at the toon.

With games at home against blackpool, blackburn, Getafe, Wigan and aways against West Ham, Boro and Tel Aviv we should be looking at progressing in both cups and moving up the league.

[shakey18]

If we put in another performance like the one at Anfield (baring the last minute of course), i think we could get a win.Going for a 2-1 win.

[wayne wonder]

I think he'll go with a midfield of Tainio, Jenas, Zokora, Bale! he tends to go with Teemu away from home to keep it tight

We've gotta keep N'Zogbia quiet because viduka et al feed off him and considering he's playing at left back he's probably created 90% of their goals!

Im going for a 2-1 or 3-2 to spurs we wont keep a clean sheet thats for sure.

Im going with keano to get 2

[choda]

After todays game we have a run of games that are all very winnable especially if were coming off a decent result at the toon.

With games at home against blackpool, blackburn, Getafe, Wigan and aways against West Ham, Boro and Tel Aviv we should be looking at progressing in both cups and moving up the league.

Exactly mate, a win here could signal a good surge. 3 points today and we jump up to 12th with a nice run of games ahead! It would look a lot prettier.

But this is a tough game, it could go either way. We played well last game and Newcastle have varied from very good to poor so far. Haven't a clue how to predict this one.

I'm hoping we will be far more assured at the back now that Robbo is out, but still I'd prefer if Jol sent him and the team the message that his keeping has been absymal for a long time now, rather than only playing Cerny when Robbo can't play. I'm for sticking by players for a 10-12 games or so of bad form but when it's a slump you need to make a firm statement to get everyone back on track.

[SurreySpur]

Ive just got a sneaky little feeling that Berba is really going to shine tonight although i had a dream the other night that Darren Bent will start scoring loads of goals soon, mind you in the same dream i was also dating Ronnie Corbett!!

[mjbmedia]

Ive just got a sneaky little feeling that Berba is really going to shine tonight although i had a dream the other night that Darren Bent will start scoring loads of goals soon, mind you in the same dream i was also dating Ronnie Corbett!!
Well one out of three aint bad, by the way give my regards to Ronnie tonight :p

[MiloMinderbinder]

Ive just got a sneaky little feeling that Berba is really going to shine tonight although i had a dream the other night that Darren Bent will start scoring loads of goals soon, mind you in the same dream i was also dating Ronnie Corbett!!

could be worse, could be Ronnie Barker

[SurreySpur]

Well one out of three aint bad, by the way give my regards to Ronnie tonight :p

I tell you what MJB, he's a funny little ****er!!

hang on that didnt sound right:p

[DiamondGeezer]

Ive just got a sneaky little feeling that Berba is really going to shine tonight although i had a dream the other night that Darren Bent will start scoring loads of goals soon, mind you in the same dream i was also dating Ronnie Corbett!!

who's Ronnie Corbett?:o

[MiloMinderbinder]

who's Ronnie Corbett?:o

:o :eek: :mad: ????!!!!

Goodnight from me.....and good night from him.

[SurreySpur]

who's Ronnie Corbett?:o

One of the 2 Ronnies

[DiamondGeezer]

One of the 2 Ronnies

never heard of them

sorry:confused:

[canadaspur]

3-2 for the barcodes,we won't keep em out!

[MiloMinderbinder]

Oh of course there's a footy match on tonight (bloody Irish channel again).

Newacastle to win 2 - 0, Milner and Martins to do the damage, well actually Jol's "backs to the wall" tactics and crap defending to do the real damage but you know what I mean.

10,000 overweight Geordies to prove their manhood by going topless in baltic weather conditions, 50,000 to be drunk. 1,000 Spurs away supporters of which 987 regret making the trip, the 13 remaining fans all live within 20 mins of Newcastle and just regret chosing Spurs as their team.

[choda]

Ive just got a sneaky little feeling that Berba is really going to shine tonight although i had a dream the other night that Darren Bent will start scoring loads of goals soon, mind you in the same dream i was also dating Ronnie Corbett!!

I hope if ever have a bummer dream that I'm dating Brad Pitt, not Ronnie Corbett. Lol.

And I want to send a firm message to my subconscious that I don't ever want to have a gay dream like my friend Jimmy, not just for obvious reasons but also because I might announce it on a public forum. ;) :D

People are making all sorts of freudian conclusions now about you Jimmy, and I got to tell you many of them aren't pretty. Personally, I blame your wife for making you watch Brockback Mountain. It's obviously causing your mind all sorts of confusion. :eek:

[corkspur]

I predict a goalfest tonight,but i dont think we will be doing much scoring.Not our luckiest ground to visit,4-2 to the barcodes im afraid.

[olly27]

Significant if Viduka fails late fitness test and Berby starts after that knock for Bulgaria. I said 2-2 last week for this game...however if Viduka doesn't make it am going for 2-1 to the Spurs! Also going to stick my neck out..and say Jenas (!) and Keane to score.

[neilmcnab]

what shud be a easy win, we starting with the unstoppable robbie keane upfront, the ultra talented jermain (england quality) jenas, pulling he dick, sorry pulling the strings in midfield, got the beers , snacks, and heart tablets,

keano to score hattrick, and i dont mean geordie girls,

[SurreySpur]

[QUOTE=choda;63918]I hope if ever have a bummer dream that I'm dating Brad Pitt, not Ronnie Corbett. Lol.

And I want to send a firm message to my subconscious that I don't ever want to have a gay dream like my friend Jimmy, not just for obvious reasons but also because I might announce it on a public forum.

People are making all sorts of freudian conclusions now about you Jimmy, and I got to tell you many of them aren't pretty. Personally, I blame your wife for making you watch Brockback Mountain. It's obviously causing your mind all sorts of confusion. QUOTE]

I said in my dream we were dating, i dont think we got that serious brian!!:p

Did you say you hope to have a gay dream about Brad Pitt? or was it his brother ses?? :p

Im secure enough to be able to make gay jokes and stuff, hey i even wore pink shirt and tie to the wedding i was best man at!! At the end of my speech i could have had any woman in the place....i said that too my wife and for some reason she didnt laugh!! no sense of humour these women i tell ya!!;)

[choda]

[QUOTE=choda;63918]I hope if ever have a bummer dream that I'm dating Brad Pitt, not Ronnie Corbett. Lol.

And I want to send a firm message to my subconscious that I don't ever want to have a gay dream like my friend Jimmy, not just for obvious reasons but also because I might announce it on a public forum.

People are making all sorts of freudian conclusions now about you Jimmy, and I got to tell you many of them aren't pretty. Personally, I blame your wife for making you watch Brockback Mountain. It's obviously causing your mind all sorts of confusion. QUOTE]

I said in my dream we were dating, i dont think we got that serious brian!!:p

Did you say you hope to have a gay dream about Brad Pitt? or was it his brother ses?? :p

Im secure enough to be able to make gay jokes and stuff, hey i even wore pink shirt and tie to the wedding i was best man at!! At the end of my speech i could have had any woman in the place....i said that too my wife and for some reason she didnt laugh!! no sense of humour these women i tell ya!!;)

Oh your not a promisciuos queer in your dreams then. Lol.

Hey, if I'm gay I want some ass, just not Ronnie Corbetts. Maybe he could take me out to dinner and entertain me, but we wouldn't have that kind of relationship. I would just be his trophy boy with a pink shirt and tie. :p

[SurreySpur]

[QUOTE=SurreySpur;63932]

Oh your not a promisciuos queer in your dreams then. Lol.

Hey, if I'm gay I want some ass, just not Ronnie Corbetts. Maybe he could take me out to dinner and entertain me, but we wouldn't have that kind of relationship. I would just be his trophy boy with a pink shirt and tie. :p

Hey man, the girls love the pink and pink. Never fails to get results and i dont mean with Corbett!!

[jrio]

Tottenham Hotspur

1. 12. Radek Cerny (G)
2. 5. Younes Kaboul (D)
3. 3. Young-pyo Lee (D)
4. 2. Pascal Chimbonda (D)
5. 16. Gareth Bale (D)
6. 20. Michael Dawson (D)
7. 4. Didier Zokora (M)
8. 8. Jermaine Jenas (M)
9. 15. Steed Malbranque (M)
10. 10. Robbie Keane (S)
11. 23. Darren Bent (S)
12. 25. Aaron Lennon (sub)
13. 9. Dimitar Berbatov (sub)
14. 6. Teemu Tainio (sub)
15. 31. Tommy Forecast (sub)
16. 30. Anthony Gardner (sub)



Anyone make sense of Lennon and Berb on bench? Don't think Mal will be pulling up any trees on the right.

[\jackdaw]

Berbs I can understand as he got a knock in the Internationals didnt he .. but Lennon baffles me.

[SurreySpur]

Lennon has been shite at home never mind away, so yeah at St James Park i think its a decent decision.

like i said earlier, i had a dream Bent starts scoring loads soon!!

[DiamondGeezer]

Come on u spurs started slowly hopefully we can get on the ball more

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell chimbonda, how sloppy was that???

[DiamondGeezer]

hes not started well

gotta get his head in the game!

[corkspur]

what happened bale?

[DiamondGeezer]

Looks like an ankle injury

why not bring on lennon tho y tainio?

[SCIFIN17YID]

yet again MJ ffs, bale is injured he puts on tranio, why the hell not lennon, pffft.

[SurreySpur]

Dirty bastard Geremi......

[MarlowSpurs]

Yeah bit of a dirty challenge there

[MarlowSpurs]

****ing great save

[\jackdaw]

Was a good save but Owen did sort of make it obvious but what was more scarey was Dawson's mistake.

[DiamondGeezer]

Foot injury for gareth bale hope he aint out for too long!

[\jackdaw]

If its only bruising and not metatarsal then what .. a week or so?

[SurreySpur]

Jenas is ****ing terrible. Pass and......stay put!!

Why do we never win the 50/50's and the second ball?

[MarlowSpurs]

This ref is a ****

[shakey18]

i've never liked Bennet

[DiamondGeezer]

If its only bruising and not metatarsal then what .. a week or so?

dunno mate u know more than me!

we are rubbish tho and chimbonda is having a mare

[DiamondGeezer]

What a load of Rubbish

[MarlowSpurs]

Cross the ****ing ball

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell i hate that Fat gum chewing ****

[MarlowSpurs]

Jesus can't we string more than two passes together

[Neil_Vaughan]

Basic coaching, we haven't got the staff.

[SurreySpur]

how can you spend so much money and go so far Backwards.

We look terrible. absolutley terrible.

[MarlowSpurs]

Well that sums us up, ****ing useless, simple ball over the top ****in 1 nil down
Overpaid ****s

[denis-cro]

absolutely horrible performance from Spurs... :o ...again midfilders playing wingers... :mad:

[\jackdaw]

Second half take off Bent for Berby and Mal for Lennon .. only way to go now is forward ...

Chimbo, Jenas and Zakora need to step up a gear badly. Kaboul as good as he is is showing a little inexperience but you can only get that by playing and eventually he will come good.

Only 1-0 down so nothing is impossible yet.

Losing Bale is going to be a big blow but we need to get over it.

[SurreySpur]

Im actually getting to the point that i really dislike chimbonda, he looks like he doesnt give a shit, the lazy ******. He's a liability now, its clear he wants out, he really thinks hes the bogs bollox. Tosser.

[denis-cro]

how can you spend so much money and go so far Backwards.

We look terrible. absolutley terrible.


Because You have the most stupid man as a manager, who continuously make same mistakes over and over again....:o

[wayne wonder]

Im actually getting to the point that i really dislike chimbonda, he looks like he doesnt give a shit, the lazy ******. He's a liability now, its clear he wants out, he really thinks hes the bogs bollox. Tosser.

Totally agree even sherwood said he plays for himself he's a total tosser!! Kaboul goes walkies and leaves dawson on his todd!

Dont get me started on jj and zokora ****ing ****s and bent's not had one good ball but he couldn't trap a bag of cement!! Best player Our goalkeeper!!!

[JM_]

Second half take off Bent for Berby and Mal for Lennon .. only way to go now is forward ...


I say take off Mal and Jenas (****ing useless), and Lennon and Berba on. With Keano dropping off a bit. As said, only way is to go for goals as we will concede a few more anyway.... :rolleyes:

[nuttyhotspurs]

clueless, passionless and very lethargic, a complete 180 from at anfield. what a pathetic first half display.

dawson is a different player from this time last year hes always out of position, nervous on the ball, rarely wins anything in the air and has lost his command of the back 4. ledley get fit sooooooooooooooon and out wiv daws

chimbo get ur ****in arse in gear coz ur a useless **** at the min

tainio get him off the pitch and out the ****in club.

and jol dont wait til the 80th min to bring berby and lennon on

[wayne wonder]

I tell ya jol talks about the past more than a ****ing period history drama he's seriously taken us as far as we can go he's run out of ideas we should be coming here playing great football and getting a win but NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MarlowSpurs]

Chimbo, Jenas and Zakora need to step up a gear badly.




Thats the first lot of players I would get rid of in January

[MarlowSpurs]

Right here we go lets see if we can at least get into first gear rather than being stuck in reverse

[SurreySpur]

Well played Daws....your having a blinder.

This is shit

[Neil_Vaughan]

Dawson's having a 'mare

[jrio]

Relegation battle it is then. Nice to see we concede from a deadball yet again.

[MarlowSpurs]

****in ell Jenas pass the ball you useless ****

[SurreySpur]

and apparently Berbatov had to be asked 3times to get up to warm up and isnt looking fussed at all.

[AssaTM]

Bit worried about Berba, it's clear he has 0 problems with the team, but it seems he does have problems with Jol, why the hell didnt he start? I like Bent, he has a great record, but he needs to come on in a match we're commanding if anything, you dont gain confidence when the team itself lacks it

[shakey18]

Dawson looked like he was running through sand, uphill.****in hell this is shit.

[MarlowSpurs]

I don't blame him, I wouldn't get up for this shit

[AssaTM]

Dawson looked like he was running through sand, uphill.****in hell this is shit.

Dawson ALWAYS has been slow to accelerate this season, he has never been critisiced for being slow before, but what he's doing I dont know

[MarlowSpurs]

Well that look on Berbs face said it all, he must be thinking why he joined this second rate team

[denis-cro]

So, is Jol going to be sacked after tonight´s game ??

[jrio]

Berb for Mal. Can't fault that change. Why's Lennon not on though?

[AssaTM]

Well that look on Berbs face said it all, he must be thinking why he joined this second rate team
It has NOTHING to do with that, he didnt want to be dropped, stop being mellowdramatic, his problem is with Jol if anything

And food for thought, Chimbo is happy to sign a new contract, too :p

[\jackdaw]

Thats one back .. COYS !!!

[MarlowSpurs]

So, is Jol going to be sacked after tonight´s game ??

**** here come the arguements again lol

**** it we scored while I was typing this

[MarlowSpurs]

stop being mellowdramatic



They are a punk band aren't they?? hahaha

[AssaTM]

Hahaha, but seriously it's tiring hearing fans say he wants to leave, no, it's not the case, the guy just clearly didnt wanna be on the bench

[SurreySpur]

Jenas is a ****ing tart....

as i typed that he let milner go and guess what.


If anyone wants to defend the worthless peice of shite then go ahead. Hes a gutless **** that doesn't deserve to wear the shirt.

Jenas.....quite possibly the best ball watcher in the world!!

[SCIFIN17YID]

OMFG get rid of MJ, JENAS, ZAKORA, SHITERI, GARDENER, New recruits please. omg.

[shakey18]

This lot are sending me grey-and off to the ****in beer fridge

[jrio]

Surely can't be 3-1 three seasons in a row? Any blame for Cerny on the goals? Not from what I heard on the radio.

[AssaTM]

None of the goals were Cernys fault, the first one even bounced off of him, was Kabouls fault for the first, Dawsons for the second, and Jenas's for the third

[MarlowSpurs]

Surely can't be 3-1 three seasons in a row? Any blame for Cerny on the goals? Not from what I heard on the radio.

No blame for Cerny only the defence

[\jackdaw]

After our last performance against Liverpool I thought we had turned the corner but after this match ... well how wrong could I be ....

[denis-cro]

OMFG get rid of MJ, JENAS, ZAKORA, SHITERI, GARDENER, New recruits please. omg.

and get rid of complete coaching stuff...they´re ****ing useless...

[SurreySpur]

Surely can't be 3-1 three seasons in a row? Any blame for Cerny on the goals? Not from what I heard on the radio.

Wait till you see Jenas' attempts at blocking Milners goal.


I'll hit him if i ever meet him. :mad:

[Keanoldinho]

did we really pay 16.5 million for Darren ****ing Bent or was I having a ****n nightmare

The day MJ grows some balls and plays Bale on the ****ing left and Lennon on the right is the day we'll start stretching defences and winning games I'm ****ing sick of half the ****s at Tottenham

[MarlowSpurs]

Lennon on for Bent, not bad seeing as I still work out why we spent 16mill on Bent.

[wayne wonder]

What a bunch of over paid *****s i swear to go they make me sick the lot of them i actually want the lot of them to **** off

[shakey18]

and get rid of complete coaching stuff...they´re ****ing useless...

chris hughton especially

[wayne wonder]

Kaboul thinks he's playing pro evo running up the picth like a **** making dawson do the job of 2 men in turn making him look like a ****ing mug chimbonda can **** right off!!

[MarlowSpurs]

did we really pay 16.5 million for Darren ****ing Bent or was I having a ****n nightmare



Nope sorry mate it was real.
If anyone can explain exactly what Bent does, please send your answers on a postcard to
Darren 'How do I score?' Bent
1a Couldn't Hit
A Barn Door
From
10yds

[Keanoldinho]

Jol got tactically bum ****ed by Allardyce again appy dayz


Bale, Lennon, Keano, and Berby can stay everyone else needs to be sold ffs there a bunch of soft bastards

[wayne wonder]

Ive sky + this game just so i can rewind that PATHETIC attempt by jenas to block that shot by milner what the **** :mad:

[MarlowSpurs]

Jol got tactically bum ****ed by Allardyce



He should meet up with McClaren seeing as he got bum ****ed tactically last week. They could exchange stories and notes

[corkspur]

All jokes aside,we are in a relegation battle!!! Jol is on the way out after this i reckon.What a load of old SHIT!!!!!!NO PRIDE IN THE SHIRT,BUNCH OF OVERPAID ****S!!! sick to my stomach of jols excuses,**** off now Martin.

[wayne wonder]

Who the **** would wanna manage that shower of shit?

[shakey18]

All jokes aside,we are in a relegation battle!!! .

correct mate-we are in the shit big time

[Keanoldinho]

there's never a dull moment at Tottenham except when they're playing a match

[MarlowSpurs]

Who the **** would wanna manage that shower of shit?

Stevie Wonder

[wayne wonder]

Stevie Wonder

hahaha fuycking love it that actually made me smile!! mate even he'd say no!!

any1 got osama bin laden's number maybe he'd wanna come into the hot seat :rolleyes:

[shakey18]

Stevie Wonder

He'd do a better job...

[JuicE]

I am over this shit at the moment! I have lost my passion for Spurs and will be taking a break from anything to do with them for a while. This ain't good for your health!

[MarlowSpurs]

Well one win from ten, stuck in the bottom three, there's no denying that we are in the shit and that MJ has ****ed up again.

[Keanoldinho]

Who the **** would wanna manage that shower of shit?

Maybe we could call up Lippi or Cappello or Mourinho or LMFAO

[MarlowSpurs]

hahaha fuycking love it that actually made me smile!! mate even he'd say no!!

any1 got osama bin laden's number maybe he'd wanna come into the hot seat :rolleyes:

He would just make the players wear rucksacks while playing to scare the shit out of the opposing team

[\jackdaw]

So dissapointed... cant beleive that was such a shit display.

Cant even go to the pub to get bolloxed because of bad guts ... **** anyone got a sharp knife?

[jrio]

Jenas is a bottler but we all knew that. Lacks character and self-belief. Jol will soon go. Results say it all and radio commentary identifies lack of motivation and identity. 18th after 10 games with players of the calibre of Berb, Bale, Keane etc. Inexcusable.

[wayne wonder]

Hahaha Keanoldhino this aint footie manager now they'd never come and manage a bunch of underachieving ****s like spurs!!

[Keanoldinho]

who the **** was behind the whole Darren Bent 16.5 mil transfer who negotiated that deal. They need to ****ing resign whether it was Comolli, Levy, or Jol or all 3 whoever it was needs to just **** off and leave Tottenham alone worst transfer I've ever seen.

[corkspur]

If we dont win our next 3 home games,Blackburn,Wigan,Birmingham,we are truly ****ED!!!

[\jackdaw]

The most annoying thing is the potential the team actually has .. I have been a big admirer of MJ but even my patiance is running thin now.

If the team plays to its potential and the players playing in their RIGHT position we should be up in the top 5 easy.

[Ginola's Son]

Gutted

I am truly scared now

[SCIFIN17YID]

OMG DARREN BENT YOU ****ING SUCK, IF I WAS MANAGER YOUR SHITTY ROLE WOULD BE ****ING MR CHIRPY OMG

BENT =
http://www.sports-mascots.co.uk/KERR_3.JPG

Zakora omg you are a sloppy piece of shit you remind me of Timothée Atouba, as for MJ sorry but GTFO here, sure he put his 5th place twice, but **** me does this guy ever learn from his mistake's he is a ****ing *****, sorry I have stuck up to him for way to long **** him off, and also he should have played Lennon on the right and Bale on the left from the start, also dm9 and keane from the start, OMFG JENAS you crap piece of shit **** off too, talking all that shit in the local paper's your ***** ass pansy/**** your a disgrace to be a lilly white, P.S I Hope the above mother****er's read my post ! you over paid ****'s !

[Keanoldinho]

Hahaha Keanoldhino this aint footie manager now they'd never come and manage a bunch of underachieving ****s like spurs!!

On some real shit we need some footie manager type shit to happen at Spurs during the January transfer window. I'm talkn large scale changes, **** young and English, England are shit. Sven did some footie manager type shit at Citeh and look at them we need a ****ing Brazilian playmaker like Alex at Fenerbahce and a solid ****ing defence . We need a whole new coaching set up from top to bottom total revamp everyone needs their P45s at Tottenham ****em all I'm sick of this shit. We need experienced ****ing fighters who play from the heart and get stuck in for 90 minutes.

[Ginola's Son]

Very well put.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Jol got tactically bum ****ed by Allardyce again appy dayz

spot on. however it aint exactly difficult these days is it? either bang long high balls up to the forwards or put a cross into the box. simple as that.

big sam knows keane drops deep so it was obvious bent was going to be completely isolated in this game. putting 2 men on him and 5 back everytime both keane and bent got forward snuffed us out easily

our the centre midfield is lightweight but its the same as we had last season. all we have done since then is put in kaboul at centre half and put bale out wide left, that isnt exactly weakening the team is it??

the defences total inadeqacy is having a massive negative effect on the rest of the team. we keep leaking goals, the forwards are then put under too much pressure and the centre midfield drops far too deep to help out the defence

[JM_]

OMG DARREN BENT YOU ****ING SUCK, IF I WAS MANAGER YOUR SHITTY ROLE WOULD BE ****ING MR CHIRPY OMG

Zakora omg you are a sloppy piece of shit you remind me of Timothée Atouba, as for MJ sorry but GTFO here, sure he put his 5th place twice, but **** me does this guy ever learn from his mistake's he is a ****ing *****, sorry I have stuck up to him for way to long **** him off, and also he should have played Lennon on the right and Bale on the left from the start, also dm9 and keane from the start, OMFG JENAS you crap piece of shit **** off too, talking all that shit in the local paper's your ***** ass pansy/**** your a disgrace to be a lilly white, P.S I Hope the above mother****er's read my post ! you over paid ****'s !

So I take it you're a bit dissapointed by the performance of these players.. ;)

I agree with you on the Jol issue. I've also supported him for too long, but my support for him went after the Arse game. So please Levy, give him his cheque and clean his office. As for Bent, I think it's a bit unfair to him as he didn't stick the price tag on himself. And I think the pricetag puts alot of preassure on him, and along with NO ****ING MIDFIELD it makes up to making him look shitty. I don't remember Berba starring from the start last season, and he actually got to play regularly.

And for Jenas, I wonder how many more points we would have if we only played with 10 players... :(

[SCIFIN17YID]

silly MJ never plays boateng what a **** !

[Keanoldinho]

We payed 16.5 mil for Bent and we coulda probably bought Vagner Love, Daniel Carvalho, and Alex for that. I want some Brazilians or Argies at Tottenham not overrated young English shit players. FFS or even Moutinho on Sporting or ****en ell we need a proper ****ing playmaker I'm sick to death of watching the same shityy performances week in week out ****.

[SCIFIN17YID]

We payed 16.5 mil for Bent and we coulda probably bought Vagner Love, Daniel Carvalho, and Alex for that. I want some Brazilians or Argies at Tottenham not overrated young English shit players. FFS or even Moutinho on Sporting or ****en ell we need a proper ****ing playmaker I'm sick to death of watching the same shityy performances week in week out ****.

Well said mate I would have loved that money to have gone on Daniel Carvalho and Petrov FFS.

[Ginola's Son]

'well said'

chortle

It was diabolical!! I just don't know what to say. We're in deep shit here, make no mistake

[peterc]

None of the goals were Cernys fault, the first one even bounced off of him, was Kabouls fault for the first, Dawsons for the second, and Jenas's for the third

I think it was more Dawson to blame for both goals.

[MarlowSpurs]

We payed 16.5 mil for Bent and we coulda probably bought Vagner Love, Daniel Carvalho, and Alex for that.

We could have brought Thierry Henry for that, not that he would have gone to spurs

I want some Brazilians or Argies at Tottenham not overrated young English shit players.

Bring back the days of Ossie and Ricky Villa, **** those were the days

[nuttyhotspurs]

I think it was more Dawson to blame for both goals.

yea dawson was pathetic for the first 2 goals

[spursmadnick06]

Please anybody saying we should get rid of Defoe please come forward , he's at the very least our 3rd best striker. Bent is simply awful.

[SCIFIN17YID]

Rest dawson, MJ out, Shiteri out, Gardener out, Jenas, out, zakora out, chimboda **** off I dont even think you want to be a yid, we need replacement's.

as for BENT omfg show us the **** what your made out of or MR CHIRPY will be your roll, ****ing 16 mill for nonsence like that.

[peterc]

silly MJ never plays boateng what a **** !
A bit difficult to play an injured player. :confused:

[nuttyhotspurs]

sherwood is a **** but i agreed with everything he said tonight. is jol actually gettin them on the training ground and teaching them to defend set peices and crosses? or is he hoping things will sort themselves out?

its so frustrating becuase he does just say the same thing week in week out and continues to talk about previous performances.

get a ****ing grip on the team

[shakey18]

Well thanks for the last 2 seasons Martin, but it's time to go.This just isn't good enough and we are now deep in shit.Wholesale changes are needed starting with the coaching staff.They ALL have to go, every single last one. As we are generally an apathetic club i expect no changes though.
The midfield is as limp as a squid on a wet matress, and the defence has no organisation to it at all.Prehaps worst of all though i've yet to see any fight.All change.

[neilmcnab]

setanta sport, tim sherwood, was laying into the players for their shit performance

but he was also questioning what they do in training, if anything, and compareing how well newcastle did at back and they only been together a short wile, in comparison to our poor bunch cant pass to each other no 1st touch, especiallly daws, jj, zoko , mal , the list goes on, as for keane, now if u watched the game ud know what i mean when i said headless chicken, does he look dangerous ???, as much as a kitten, but he tried

and all who still think jol can lead spurs, think again, he cant even correct season long mistakes,he has top quality players, but cant work with them

berba had to be asked to warm up 3 times before he got up, lol

then he went to the corner and stooped down for 4-5 mins...

defoe never traveled...

we need a disciplined manager

[peterc]

[QUOTE=nuttyhotspurs;64043]sherwood is a **** but i agreed with everything he said tonight. is jol actually gettin them on the training ground and teaching them to defend set peices and crosses? or is he hoping things will sort themselves out?

And what was Robbo's answer to that, yes, after every game. Its obvious the players are not performing to their best, I think that the players have more to answer than Jol. I know that a few of you might disagree but that's my opinion.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Please anybody saying we should get rid of Defoe please come forward , he's at the very least our 3rd best striker. Bent is simply awful.

he aint awful. its just that when he does actually play for us we don't play to his strengths. we have exactly the same problem with defoe. both have pace but we dont ever utilise it

[nuttyhotspurs]

[QUOTE=nuttyhotspurs;64043]
And what was Robbo's answer to that, yes, after every game. Its obvious the players are not performing to their best, I think that the players have more to answer than Jol. I know that a few of you might disagree but that's my opinion.

how long can it go on? at the minute the only thing i can think of is completely changing the back 4. it cant get any worse. have we got any other centre halfs/full backs fit?

[peterc]

[QUOTE=peterc;64046]

how long can it go on? at the minute the only thing i can think of is completely changing the back 4. it cant get any worse. have we got any other centre halfs/full backs fit?

I'm sure we're all pissed off with such performances and we all know that we could perform much, much better than today, we saw that against Liverpool, we had the same players and same manager. The players need to play with more belief and at the same time with consistancy.

[nuttyhotspurs]

[QUOTE=nuttyhotspurs;64048]

I'm sure we're all pissed off with such performances and we all know that we could perform much, much better than today, we saw that against Liverpool, we had the same players and same manager. The players need to play with more belief and at the same time with consistancy.

i wish i had your patience

[peterc]

[QUOTE=peterc;64049]

i wish i had your patience

Well mate, if we start changing now, I can see us going down further and further.:eek:

[Ginola's Son]

Just gotta ride this bad patch out. Forget about 'top four' that will never happen anyway due to corruption.

I'll be VERY HAPPY with mid-table this season, a season which looks to stink royally.

[Apples]

How the **** can Jol still be here?

Lennon, Tarrabt attacking midfielders - he wants to play centre midfielders on the wing!!!!!!!!!!! OMFG he's so clueless he brings Lennon on and plays him left wing HE'S A RIGHT WINGER U BALD DUTCH ****!

Not being funny, but Dawson has seriously found out...He is a useless championship player at most without LEDLEY KING! Ledley could probably make half the defenders in championship look good he was that amazing!

I'm seriously scared

- we have shit management
- we have shit players
- we have a board that are only interested in money but the sounds of it

overall seems we're ****ed unless some big changes happen soon starting with a new manager and then a mass clear out!

You've named all the players but might as well add all the coaches and specially Hughton.

Sorry rant over. Just another sickening night for me.

[nuttyhotspurs]

mid table is looking pretty rosey at the minute

[Apples]

mid table is looking pretty rosey at the minute

why we may as well get relegated then hopefully we might bounce back - the performances lately have been some of the most lacklustre displays i have ever seen from our boys...

one look at the midfield in that game said it all:

Where is our

Waddle
Hoddle
Gascoigne
Ginola

All we want is to see some flair not defensive midfielders on our left

that left side that has no left foot and this premiership football

some the stuff i wouldnt expect from my sunday league team

[Neil_Vaughan]

I'd take a 9th place finish at the moment!

[nuttyhotspurs]

All we want is to see some flair not defensive midfielders on our left

that left side that has no left foot and this premiership football

some the stuff i wouldnt expect from my sunday league team

r u forgetting gareth bale?

[wayne wonder]

On some real shit we need some footie manager type shit to happen at Spurs during the January transfer window. I'm talkn large scale changes, **** young and English, England are shit. Sven did some footie manager type shit at Citeh and look at them we need a ****ing Brazilian playmaker like Alex at Fenerbahce and a solid ****ing defence . We need a whole new coaching set up from top to bottom total revamp everyone needs their P45s at Tottenham ****em all I'm sick of this shit. We need experienced ****ing fighters who play from the heart and get stuck in for 90 minutes.

Tell me bout it mate!! there's a couple of croats and brazilians we could get!!

Anyone for diago from bremen? he's different class for them and we need some no nonsense defenders buy some big ****ing scandanavian defender or something and ger me areal right back and someone who can put his foot in

[wayne wonder]

We'll beat getafe because they probably wont be as physical but blackburn will **** us royally i can see us struggling to make 15th let alone 5th

[MarlowSpurs]

we need some no nonsense defenders buy some big ****ing scandanavian defender or something

How about Ikea

Sorry one too many beers tonight again

[Ginola's Son]

We've had really tough games aswell, look at Arse's start, takes till their 10th game to get a top side. We've had 3 of the top four in our opening nine. Add a trip to St James too. Really tough start. No excuses for the loss to Everton. Pure shite. All it takes is a couple of shitty games for the losing mentality to set in, and when you wish for home games against Wigan or Reading, you get ****ing Anfield and St James. Now, at this rate, when Wiggo do come on down, we'll probably gift them a ****ing win too

[berbzy 'G']

I ****ING HATE TOTTENHAM!!!

Beyond belief... Berbatov had to ask 3 times to come on and play (why the **** weren't he starting anyway)...

What on earth did bent think when he woke up one morning thinking I want to be a footballer...

Berbatov had a look on his face, rolling his eyes as if to say I can't wait to January...

Dawson is a disaster, a fallen defender... all over the ****ing place...

The entire team kept giving the ball away, Didn't create no chances, when they did have the ball, you knew it would goe straight back into a newcastle players feet...

I'm beyond sickned with Spurs... 1 win in ****ing 10 to a club with international players that get first team play for there country, a team that finished in th top 5 two seasons on the go...

We played worse than ****ing Derby... terrible football team...

[Ginola's Son]

Can't disagree....as much as I want to

[TURKISH]

The only good thing about today was watching sherwood going into one in front of robbo and robbo couldn't really say much. Especially when sherwood made a commnet about his mistakes lol.

Jol looked totally demolished when being interviewed, he looks like hes had enough.

[fluke]

[QUOTE=nuttyhotspurs;64050]

Well mate, if we start changing now, I can see us going down further and further.:eek:

Dude, we're 3rd from bottom. How much further down can we go?

[JuicE]

Well there is 2nd from bottom and BOTTOM! Were only 3rd from bottom because there luckily happen to be 2 other really shit teams in the league.

Fresh start! **** off MJ before the damage is to too much and our reputation is further tarnished.

How will we ever attract top players to this shite?

[Ossie]

Jol, thank you for the previuos seasons, but please get outta here! You're done

[SurreySpur]

Jol, thank you for the previuos seasons, but please get outta here! You're done

Spot on Ossie

We need the change NOW, if we carry on like this we're ****ed. How can we spend so much money and get so much worse. we're a shadow of last years team, Sorry MJ but surely your time is up and please take Jenas with you.

[shakey18]

We'll beat getafe because they probably wont be as physical but blackburn will **** us royally i can see us struggling to make 15th let alone 5th

I bet Santa Cruz and McCarthy are rubbing their hands at the prospect of facing us.

[wayne wonder]

I bet Santa Cruz and McCarthy are rubbing their hands at the prospect of facing us.

Mate seriously dont we're gonna get stuffed gone are the days when we'd lose a minimum 2 or 3 home games any ****er can beat us home or away.

I like jol but the mans taken us as far as he can he's TOO nice hence the reason people like him and thats whats kept him in a job so long.

Rafa, jose, fergie, even wenger and mark hughes are ruthless bastards when they want to be and will drop big name players when need be and dont give a **** because the club comes 1st. Its a results business and we're not getting them so he's gotta go it totally looks like he's lost the dressing room.

Sherwood got it right last night chimbonda's playing for himself but then again so are half of them. Jols so stubborn he's alienated the most direct striker we have to the point he's at home probably watching eastenders!!:mad:

I like Kaboul but my god the lad cant defend this is the PREMIER LEAGUE not the french ligue 1 where you can do that sort of shit you're making dawson look like a ****. Steed granted you're out of posistion but you're a small fish in a big pond compared to fulham mate, JJ i dont even wanna comment on u but there are 7million reasons your shit.

Zokora you're just shit full stop! Bent you have the touch and vision of stevie wonder but we're not playing to your strengths so i'll let u off for now! None of the players have any arsehole or heart to play for the team and thats the thing that hurts the most.

[wayne wonder]

Oh i've not finished!!

Segers what the **** are u doing at my club?? Hughton i appreciate your loyalty 20 years + should count for something but what about mabbutt, graham roberts etc too why aren't u in the coaching staff we need wholesale changes fast!!

Clive Allen would probably do a better job then all of them at the min!!! The weekend just gone im sure Barnard scored and remember Yeates he scored 2 we just let every ****er go im so mad at the min it's got to the point that i cant be arsed no more but i love my team so much!!

[shakey18]

Mate seriously dont we're gonna get stuffed gone are the days when we'd lose a minimum 2 or 3 home games any ****er can beat us home or away.

I like jol but the mans taken us as far as he can he's TOO nice hence the reason people like him and thats whats kept him in a job so long.

Rafa, jose, fergie, even wenger and mark hughes are ruthless bastards when they want to be and will drop big name players when need be and dont give a **** because the club comes 1st. Its a results business and we're not getting them so he's gotta go it totally looks like he's lost the dressing room.

Sherwood got it right last night chimbonda's playing for himself but then again so are half of them. Jols so stubborn he's alienated the most direct striker we have to the point he's at home probably watching eastenders!!:mad:

I like Kaboul but my god the lad cant defend this is the PREMIER LEAGUE not the french ligue 1 where you can do that sort of shit you're making dawson look like a ****. Steed granted you're out of posistion but you're a small fish in a big pond compared to fulham mate, JJ i dont even wanna comment on u but there are 7million reasons your shit.

Zokora you're just shit full stop! Bent you have the touch and vision of stevie wonder but we're not playing to your strengths so i'll let u off for now! None of the players have any arsehole or heart to play for the team and thats the thing that hurts the most.

You've hit the nail on the head mate.Jol is just too nice.What this lot need is someone who's gonna rip into them after a performance like last nights.I fully appreciate what Jol has done for the last 2 seasons, but the truth is he HAS taken us as far as he can.I hope he goes soon for his sake as much as ours, as i'd hate his reign to be remembered for the wrong reasons.At the moment i think if he left in the next week, he would go with the best wishes of the vast majority of the fans.That number is dropping with every defeat however.The whole of the coaching staff have to go, Hughton, Segars et al,with the exception of Allen, as you have said.A top notch defensive coach is needed, and Comolli has to go too, as his signings have been ****in shit.Do away with the DOF role, and let's get back to football.Oh and as for mentioning Mabbutt-well i'd rather him in the team at the moment-at least we'd see some fight.

[peterc]

By changing the whole lot now will not help us go up the table, most probably, it will send us down to Championship. I repeat, the same players and management still managed to draw against Liverpool away from home, a top four team, we need to try and be more patient and I am still confidnet we will turn it round, we also seem to forget that last season, we didn't start climbing up the table until after Xmas.

[JM_]

By changing the whole lot now will not help us go up the table, most probably, it will send us down to Championship. I repeat, the same players and management still managed to draw against Liverpool away from home, a top four team, we need to try and be more patient and I am still confidnet we will turn it round, we also seem to forget that last season, we didn't start climbing up the table until after Xmas.

"Even a blind chicken finds some seed now and then"
Face it mate; Jol is not the man to make these pussies into men, and get them fighting for the team! He needs to go!

[Ginola's Son]

But last season we didn't have one win in 10. We'd stopped the rot by now...

I dunno what's happening here.

There are two sides to this. Blame Jol, or blame the board for alienating Jol and treating a good man like a ****.

You say Jol is TOO NICE...but look at him, he's dropped Defoe against the mightiest protests of the Spurs posse. He's also been involved in touchline spats with Arse**** Wenger and has been outspoken about various others. The term your looking for is 'mild mannered' and anyone who's anyone can see its just an exterior. If you annoy Martin Jol you're gonna know about it. He'd have given them a grilling last night...but this where the problem lies....do the players care? Despite not doing ther jobs properly, thousands of pounds will be unjustly dumped into their bank accounts and a fun time will be had by all. With the exceptions of Robbie Keane, Radek Cerny and the unfortunate Gateth Bale, none of the players deserve this money. The point I am making is that the team just don't care. The press have pushd the 'top 4 or bust' scenario on the team so much that they began to beleive it, and after losing our opening 2 games and virtually seen a top 4 place vanish, they've taken themselves out. On occaison they play with purpose, but its the same players - Keane, Bale - who play with their hearts on their sleeves and try to get the rest of team going. They just don't care. They'll play well in Europe on thurs, because these arrogant arseholes are on a stage where they think they suddenly need to perform.

I'd say something needs to be done...but there's nothing that can be done. Player power wrecked the game long ago. Jol's tactics are definitely in question, much more of this and he's out the door...but the players have to ****ing stand up and admit to not doing their jobs!

[peterc]

"Even a blind chicken finds some seed now and then"
Face it mate; Jol is not the man to make these pussies into men, and get them fighting for the team! He needs to go!

So making changes now will help us climb up the table, my opinion is to stick to the same management until Xmas, and if things don't improve, then if, necessary take action. The problem is, will the same owners still be there by Xmas?

[Spur]

Are people still willing to say Jol hasn't lost the dressing room even though Berba ignored him three times last night?

Oh and Jenas - great performance really showed the Geordies what they are missing. What a laughing stock we are.

[peterc]

Are people still willing to say Jol hasn't lost the dressing room even though Berba ignored him three times last night?

Says who, the commentator??, and he also said that Berba sat down and the next glimpse was Berba changing to come on, some people are either too gullible or want to believe all the negative points.

Oh and Jenas - great performance really showed the Geordies what they are missing. What a laughing stock we are.

Was it just Jenas?, what about Zokora, Malbranque, Chimbo, DAWSON ( gifted them two goals) etc, etc, the only decent players were Bale, Cerny and Keano.

[choda]

Football is all in the details. Details, details, details. And Jol is falling down on so many critical ones it's untrue.

It's **** all to do with the board really, though it can't have helped getting publicly caught engaging in bigomy.

But my local regional team doesn't have the gaps all over the pitch that spurs do. It's a joke. The defence has to push up at every available opportunity to a reasonable line. And then the midfield can push up and press as one and all units will be one coherent team.

Territory is basics 101. Your units have to be reasonably close at all times and then you can build a structure and organisation from there. You can also pass it becasue you have people always around you and you can keep the ball moving and get players taking up good positions and creating some movement.

That was the basis of our improved performance at Anfield. We didn't have so many gaps. I'm not blaming the players to a large extent. I know what it's like to play in a shambles.

Having said that some people do deserve mention because even still they were pathetic and weren't even giving their all.

Dawson was absolutely appalling, so was Chimbonda. Don't even get me started on Jenas. I said after the Everton game I'd bever seen a worse perfomance by a central midfielder that cost more than 5 million. This was the worst performance I've ever SEEN from a central midfielder.

I watched it with my brother and dad and we were like, 'that **** earns 25,000 a week for THIS.' I mean he wasn't just pathetic but he was also apathetic, he didn't give a ****. Swanning about like he's ****ing Veron or something. He deserves broken bones for it.

As for the comments about Bent, I can forgive Bent. The service is non-existant and the strikers are so isolated. They are bound to struggle badly. Strikers have to get support and service to be in the game, performing and sharp when any chances come along. It's just testament to what a quality player Robbie Keane is that he's doing fairly well.

But Bent is proven, he just needs the team to start playing okay and then he will settle to his new club.

[Spur]

Was it just Jenas?, what about Zokora, Malbranque, Chimbo, DAWSON ( gifted them two goals) etc, etc, the only decent players were Bale, Cerny and Keano.
But no-one debates over whether those players are good for the club or not. With Jenas they do, do they not?

I'm not sure what happened with Berba, no-one will know the truth, maybe the media are just picking at holes and trying to make something stick. It's also said he refused to shake MJ's hand post match. If it's true though and he didn't even want to come on, then I feel that says more about MJ and even Hughton - who it is said he ignored - than Berbatov. He is our best player and knows it. Then again do you want someone like that a thte Club?

And Pete, look at both sides not just the pro-Jol, pro-Jenas ones.

[JM_]

So making changes now will help us climb up the table, my opinion is to stick to the same management until Xmas, and if things don't improve, then if, necessary take action. The problem is, will the same owners still be there by Xmas?

Of course there are no guarantees, but with this rate we will be even deeper in the relegation zone by xmas. So yes, my vote is do it now and give the new manager (whoever it might be) some "extra" time to save us!

With 13 or so games into the season, what has improved since the first game? Time's up!

[Ginola's Son]

The commentator kept commenting that Berba looked miserable...he ALWAYS looks miserable. Just ask anyone from Sky you ****s.

[peterc]

But no-one debates over whether those players are good for the club or not. With Jenas they do, do they not?

So let's all blame Jenas?, shall we?, what kind of reasoning is that Spur?

I'm not sure what happened with Berba, no-one will know the truth, maybe the media are just picking at holes and trying to make something stick. It's also said he refused to shake MJ's hand post match. If it's true though and he didn't even want to come on, then I feel that says more about MJ and even Hughton - who it is said he ignored - than Berbatov. He is our best player and knows it. Then again do you want someone like that a thte Club?

And Pete, look at both sides not just the pro-Jol, pro-Jenas ones.

We all have opinions and obviously mine are completely different to yours.

[Ginola's Son]

Of course there are no guarantees, but with this rate we will be even deeper in the relegation zone by xmas. So yes, my vote is do it now and give the new manager (whoever it might be) some "extra" time to save us!

Ever thought of this possibility...

THE NEW MANAGER MIGHT BE SHIT!

[Ginola's Son]

We all have opinions and obviously mine are completely different to yours.

My dad was picking on Malbranque. I really popped off at him in the end and said the whole team were equally playing like ****s. Except for Keane, Cerny blah blah

[Spur]

So let's all blame Jenas?, shall we?, what kind of reasoning is that Spur?
Did I say let's all blame Jenas? Show me where I said it.

I was merely pointing out that he had yet another poor, poor game. And by poor, poor I mean absolutely shocking again.

[JM_]

Ever thought of this possibility...

THE NEW MANAGER MIGHT BE SHIT!

So is our present one, so it's a no-loose situation i guess :confused:

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Ginola's Son;64095]My dad was picking on Malbranque. I really popped off at him in the end and said the whole team were equally playing like ****s. Except for Keane, Cerny blah blah[/QUOTE
GS, we all have different opinions and thats what makes a forum interesting, as long as we try and avoid name calling (and that's nothing to do with you).

[choda]

My dad was picking on Malbranque. I really popped off at him in the end and said the whole team were equally playing like ****s. Except for Keane, Cerny blah blah

Malbranque is not a winger, so I can understand him having a pop at him because he looks so average out there. I do it too, but it's really Jol's fault.

[Spur]

My dad was picking on Malbranque. I really popped off at him in the end and said the whole team were equally playing like ****s. Except for Keane, Cerny blah blah

The whole team have been playing shit all year. Strikers not striking, midfielders not midfielder, defender not defending and goal keepers not goal keeping.

Only so long you can blame the players though no?

[choda]

The whole team have been playing shit all year. Strikers not striking, midfielders not midfielder, defender not defending and goal keepers not goal keeping.

Only so long you can blame the players though no?

Of course. These are mostly class players.

[Ginola's Son]

Of course you blame the players. You blame the players BEFORE you blame the manager.

They are professional footballers! It's their PROFESSION!! Their alleged skill and vocation in life

Lets say you are an admin assistant, like myself, if you go to work and the boss tells you do some filing and you screw it up, it isn't the bosses fault, its yours, you're trained in your job and you haven't done it right.

That's the same thing in football. You can crow about Jol till the cows home, these players we KNOW are capable of good stuff because we have seen it, therefore, for them not to be delivering the goods is a sad indictment on their own qualities as footballers. I'm sorry. The manager always gets it in the arse. His days are numbered as this is a results business and he is the fall guy, but if I had my way, I'd sack a heckuva lot of the players before him for not ****ing rewarding the blind faith he has shown in them!

[choda]

But no-one debates over whether those players are good for the club or not. With Jenas they do, do they not?

I'm not sure what happened with Berba, no-one will know the truth, maybe the media are just picking at holes and trying to make something stick. It's also said he refused to shake MJ's hand post match. If it's true though and he didn't even want to come on, then I feel that says more about MJ and even Hughton - who it is said he ignored - than Berbatov. He is our best player and knows it. Then again do you want someone like that a thte Club?

And Pete, look at both sides not just the pro-Jol, pro-Jenas ones.


All the Kemsley's a prick, Chimbo said this, Berba looked at Jol blah bal blah is just more forum tittle tattle that could be true or not true. It doesn't matter much of a a **** anyway. What ultimately matters are football matters like no wingers, HUGE gaps, players starting out of position, and tripe like Jenas and Robbo continuelly playing for spurs.

If there are frictions or boardroom unrest it starts from those decisions. Get the decisions right and then we can talk about beleif and emotions etc. People can't pull together and build a house from cracked glass.

Of course the general core of our players want to do well for themselves, the team and the fans. But the guy in charge of the team has to know what the **** he's doing and he clearly doesn't.

[choda]

Of course you blame the players. You blame the players BEFORE you blame the manager.

They are professional footballers! It's their PROFESSION!! Their alleged skill and vocation in life

Lets say you are an admin assistant, like myself, if you go to work and the boss tells you do some filing and you screw it up, it isn't the bosses fault, its yours, you're trained in your job and you haven't done it right.

That's the same thing in football. You can crow about Jol till the cows home, these players we KNOW are capable of good stuff because we have seen it, therefore, for them not to be delivering the goods is a sad indictment on their own qualities as footballers. I'm sorry. The manager always gets it in the arse. His days are numbered as this is a results business and he is the fall guy, but if I had my way, I'd sack a heckuva lot of the players before him for not ****ing rewarding the blind faith he has shown in them!

Yes, and I blamed the players last year, because Jol had done pretty well and kept going on about the development etc.

But in the end the unanswerable then was clearly answerable in time. Because he hasn't learned from clear and obvious tactical errors.

The biggest problem is the gaps mate. For it to go on that long it so patently obviously the managers fault. We usually only begin to play when we are behind because we push out, get closer together and start to pass it.

And you can look at a fairly senior team and if it's badly setup then its the manager, end of story. You can do that in an instant. Just like if somebody walked into your company and realised that your boss had been giving you all the wrong assignments and was generally incompetent. It would mean no matter how good you performing, ala Keane, your team as a whole would still be shit, no matter how good your manager was at pr.

[Spur]

Lets say you are an admin assistant, like myself, if you go to work and the boss tells you do some filing and you screw it up, it isn't the bosses fault, its yours, you're trained in your job and you haven't done it right.
Let's say you work with someone who picks people to go on Reception. Let's say that person picks someone who can't speak English and has to get other people to do everything for them. At first you blame the receptionist, but after a little while you blame the manager that put them there. Shocking management.

We've not gone bad overnight. We conceded untold goals from ser-pieces last year, have kept a massive 3 clean sheets in 45 games or something stupid like that, the performances have been getting worse and worse whilst all the time lacking in fight, tescticular fortitude and guts. For while I blamed the players, I did, I started whole threads on it. But after a while you can no longer sit in that bubble because it becomes obvious there are bigger failings at hand and those failings are costing us points and positions.

You can have a go at me all you like for changing my opinion but at least I can! I'm not sitting in this bubble blindly following the management of club with everything they i'm going to make my own opinions from what I see and hear and read. And none of it is good at the moment.

Paul Robinson has kept 20 clean sheets in 41 for England against 3 in 45 for Spurs - explain.

For England you can see the style of play is different as he doesn't boot the ball downfield at every given opporunity he will roll it out (with exceptions obviously).

Other teams do not concede as much as we do, we have conceded more goals than the top four combined I believe. Also had one of the worst defences last year outside the bottom half.

I mean seriously! How much longer can you go blaming the players for not doing what they should be doing!? If I can see this and so many others can see this then why can't Jol and Hughton? Tim Sherwood even said it last night and the bloke is a ****!

[choda]

Why is Tim Sherwood a ****?

[peterc]

Did I say let's all blame Jenas? Show me where I said it.


It's the way you wrote your statement.

I was merely pointing out that he had yet another poor, poor game. And by poor, poor I mean absolutely shocking again.

Yes, he looked poor because he does not use his physical strenght, he does work hard but does not show any leadership in midfield.

[peterc]

Of course. These are mostly class players.

Who happen to get paid for under performing, cos they are a bunch of overpaid prima donnas.

[peterc]

Of course you blame the players. You blame the players BEFORE you blame the manager.

They are professional footballers! It's their PROFESSION!! Their alleged skill and vocation in life

Lets say you are an admin assistant, like myself, if you go to work and the boss tells you do some filing and you screw it up, it isn't the bosses fault, its yours, you're trained in your job and you haven't done it right.

That's the same thing in football. You can crow about Jol till the cows home, these players we KNOW are capable of good stuff because we have seen it, therefore, for them not to be delivering the goods is a sad indictment on their own qualities as footballers. I'm sorry. The manager always gets it in the arse. His days are numbered as this is a results business and he is the fall guy, but if I had my way, I'd sack a heckuva lot of the players before him for not ****ing rewarding the blind faith he has shown in them!
GS, I totally agree with you there, spot on mate.

[peterc]

Why is Tim Sherwood a ****?
You must mean Tim DEADWOOD, LOL, a great example of a fantastic player he was.:D

[choda]

Who happen to get paid for under performing, cos they are a bunch of overpaid prima donnas.

If your an actor and get paid 20 million to do a film, even though the script is awful and you can't even make out what it's all about would you still do it, even though you know you will look shit? And by the way you are already under contract didn't read the small print when the script was changed etc.

The good critics are going to have a right pop at the film, the bad critics are going to have a pop at the performance.

[Ginola's Son]

Let's say you work with someone who picks people to go on Reception. Let's say that person picks someone who can't speak English and has to get other people to do everything for them. At first you blame the receptionist, but after a little while you blame the manager that put them there. Shocking management.

Oh, so, putting Jenas in the shocking position of central midfield, and Darren Bent astoundedly placed up front is mis-management is it? Bullshit!

We've not gone bad overnight. We conceded untold goals from ser-pieces last year, have kept a massive 3 clean sheets in 45 games or something stupid like that, the performances have been getting worse and worse whilst all the time lacking in fight, tescticular fortitude and guts. For while I blamed the players, I did, I started whole threads on it. But after a while you can no longer sit in that bubble because it becomes obvious there are bigger failings at hand and those failings are costing us points and positions.

I do like the term Testicular Fortitude. Ok, conceding from set pieces. I don't know what to say about that one. I'll concede that one and if Jol is booted out, that will be the reason why. An excuse I will give is that Paul Robinson's ineptitude has lowered the teams morale to such an extent that its just not recoverable at the present time. I've never seen Dawson so sloppy. Very upsetting.

You can have a go at me all you like for changing my opinion but at least I can! I'm not sitting in this bubble blindly following the management of club with everything they i'm going to make my own opinions from what I see and hear and read. And none of it is good at the moment.


You're allowed to change your mind. I'm of the persuasion that you don't single out person to blame. Jol has INEPT employees at his disposal, what the **** is he supposed to do? Drop them all? This is with the added pressure of the board treating him like a ****.

Paul Robinson has kept 20 clean sheets in 41 for England against 3 in 45 for Spurs - explain.

I'd say having John Terry in front of you precludes the chances of humiliation. He has also played some of the weakest teams in international football. But in the big games, he has made high profile blunders. With Tottenham, he wasn't to blame for half of those non-clean sheets, the defence as a whole takes the rap.

Other teams do not concede as much as we do, we have conceded more goals than the top four combined I believe. Also had one of the worst defences last year outside the bottom half.

I don't care about conceding as long as we're scoring more and winning. But that isn't the case at the moment and its worrying.

I mean seriously! How much longer can you go blaming the players for not doing what they should be doing!? If I can see this and so many others can see this then why can't Jol and Hughton? Tim Sherwood even said it last night and the bloke is a ****!

I like Tim Sherwood, he's an experianced player who has lifted the Premiership trophy, he has a right to his say and he's not a ****, he cares about the club, you can see this. But I disagree with him, you CAN blame the players, because they are just not listening to Jol, they're going out there, swanning about and doing their own thing. Do you really think MJ said to Chimbonda 'If in doubt, backheel it off the pitch' These guys are overpaid arrogant jerks and are most likely trying to get rid of Jol by playing shite.

[shakey18]

Of course you blame the players. You blame the players BEFORE you blame the manager.

They are professional footballers! It's their PROFESSION!! Their alleged skill and vocation in life

Lets say you are an admin assistant, like myself, if you go to work and the boss tells you do some filing and you screw it up, it isn't the bosses fault, its yours, you're trained in your job and you haven't done it right.

That's the same thing in football. You can crow about Jol till the cows home, these players we KNOW are capable of good stuff because we have seen it, therefore, for them not to be delivering the goods is a sad indictment on their own qualities as footballers. I'm sorry. The manager always gets it in the arse. His days are numbered as this is a results business and he is the fall guy, but if I had my way, I'd sack a heckuva lot of the players before him for not ****ing rewarding the blind faith he has shown in them!

The thing is though mate, if you do **** up, and the boss continues to let you do the job, and you continue ****ing up, he is as culpable as you, because he is not managing the situation, or his staff.He is letting you do a job he knows your not capable of doing.It's like that at Tottenham.Central midfielders playing on the wing, and basic footballing rules not being adhered to.It's not as if we're trying fantastic new things and failing, we're failing at the basics.It's schoolboy stuff, the kind of stuff we would all be slated for during P.E..Defending set-pieces, marking your man, defending from the front, keeping your shape, pressing the opposition, these are all BASICS, and these are the things we are failing to do.The management, and coaches have been watching these mistakes being made all season, and nothing is being done about it.The players are not playing, you are correct, and they need to take a fair share of the blame.It's also true though that the manager is not managing, and the coaches are not coaching.Something has to give.

[peterc]

If your an actor and get paid 20 million to do a film, even though the script is awful and you can't even make out what it's all about would you still do it, even though you know you will look shit? And by the way you are already under contract didn't read the small print when the script was changed etc

Haven't you heard of actors refusing to act in certain films cos they disagreed with certain scripts, Well I have, anyway, back to the discussion. Do you seriously think that if the players were so convinced that BMJ was not managing them properly, they would not have approached top management and made their feelings heard. Choda, the players know it's their fault and they are too proud to admit it.

The good critics are going to have a right pop at the film, the bad critics are going to have a pop at the performance.

The good critics( media) are only interested in selling their story, so add on a few more neagative points to make the story look more eye catching. Anyway, opinions will always vary.

[choda]

Oh, so, putting Jenas in the shocking position of central midfield, and Darren Bent astoundedly placed up front is mis-management is it? Bullshit!



I do like the term Testicular Fortitude. Ok, conceding from set pieces. I don't know what to say about that one. I'll concede that one and if Jol is booted out, that will be the reason why. An excuse I will give is that Paul Robinson's ineptitude has lowered the teams morale to such an extent that its just not recoverable at the present time. I've never seen Dawson so sloppy. Very upsetting.



You're allowed to change your mind. I'm of the persuasion that you don't single out person to blame. Jol has INEPT employees at his disposal, what the **** is he supposed to do? Drop them all? This is with the added pressure of the board treating him like a ****.



I'd say having John Terry in front of you precludes the chances of humiliation. He has also played some of the weakest teams in international football. But in the big games, he has made high profile blunders. With Tottenham, he wasn't to blame for half of those clean sheets, the defence as a whole takes the rap.



I don't care about conceding as long as we're scoring more and winning. But that isn't the case at the moment and its worrying.



I like Tim Sherwood, he's an experianced player who has lifted the Premiership trophy, he has a right to his say and he's not a ****, he cares about the club, you can see this. But I disagree with him, you CAN blame the players, because they are just not listening to Jol, they're going out there, swanning about and doing their own thing. Do you really think MJ said to Chimbonda 'If in doubt, backheel it off the pitch' These guys are overpaid arrogant jerks and are most likely trying to get rid of Jol by playing shite.

You're being very rash mate.

I made a post a few weeks ago of all the problems and how to fix them. Any good manager would do the list, starting with dropping Jenas and Robbo. You don't have to drop all the players, that's just stupid, many of them are still good players, but just playing in a shambles.

And we had an arguement after the sunderland game because I knew then immediately what we were in for becuase I could see the blueprint was still a joke. You said it was just a blip, but a blip is good tactical setup and good players just on bad form or luck, like manu at the start. That's not the case with us. We have a talented squad, but a poor manager, which was always going to result in the squad underperforming.

[choda]

The good critics( media) are only interested in selling their story, so add on a few more neagative points to make the story look more eye catching. Anyway, opinions will always vary.

It was a metaphor Peter.

And how do you know the players aren't upset. Have you ever seen a group of players not publicly support their coach? That's what they do because otherwise they are shafting themselves or causing more problems than they are fixing.

[peterc]

It was a metaphor Peter.

Oh was it Choda, thanks for telling mate.:p

And how do you know the players aren't upset. Have you ever seen a group of players not publicly support their coach? That's what they do because otherwise they are shafting themselves or causing more problems than they are fixing.

And how do you know that they are upset?, I'd say more embarrassed to get their pay cheque that they don't deserve. Excuse me, we have heard Keano, Kaboul, Robbo etc, etc all supporting their manager, Choda, sorry mate, but why are you coming up with such negative points that are not even true?.

[Ginola's Son]

You're being very rash mate.

I made a post a few weeks ago of all the problems and how to fix them. Any good manager would do the list, starting with dropping Jenas and Robbo. You don't have to drop all the players, that's just stupid, many of them are still good players, but just playing in a shambles.

I know you can't drop them all, which is why Jol is forced to put out a line up full of players that do their own thing and play for themselves. I am getting more and more deluded with Chimbo, His ****ing laziness is affecting the entire team, and then he does decide he's playing he wants thanking. He should play for the pride of the club!

And we had an arguement after the sunderland game because I knew then immediately what we were in for becuase I could see the blueprint was still a joke. You said it was just a blip, but a blip is good tactical setup and good players just on bad form or luck, like manu at the start. That's not the case with us. We have a talented squad, but a poor manager, which will always result in the squad underperforming.

Of course I said it was a blip. It was 1 game in and an unwinnable game at that. Whichever muggins club got Sunderland on the first day was going to have that result, any fool could see that. I said was a blip after the first game, of course, I was not to know we'd be in this state by late october and neither did you. Now its not a blip, its a very serious problem which must be addressed, starting with the players attitude up.

[choda]

And how do you know that they are upset?, I'd say more embarrassed to get their pay chaeque that they don't deserve. Excuse me, we have heard Keano, Kaboul, Robbo etc, etc all supporting their manager, Choda, sorry mate, but why are you coming up with such negative points that are not even true?.

Peter, for **** sake, get some logic and brain power or join a kiddies forum will you?

I said how do you know some are not upset, but just not stating it publicly. I never made any point except saying you don't know what they are thinking and players very rarely criticise a coach publicly.

The Bolton players even publicly said they were behind Sammy Lee before he got the bullet.

[Ginola's Son]

If they were upset, then they'd have started playing with more pride a long time ago. After the Arsenal game. It's not forthcoming, its not acceptable. But its not all Jol!

[choda]

I know you can't drop them all, which is why Jol is forced to put out a line up full of players that do their own thing and play for themselves. I am getting more and more deluded with Chimbo, His ****ing laziness is affecting the entire team, and then he does decide he's playing he wants thanking. He should play for the pride of the club!



Of course I said it was a blip. It was 1 game in and an unwinnable game at that. Whichever muggins club got Sunderland on the first day was going to have that result, any fool could see that. I said was a blip after the first game, of course, I was not to know we'd be in this state by late october and neither did you. Now its not a blip, its a very serious problem which must be addressed, starting with the players attitude up.

I did actually, check the post if you want proof. And you can know after one game if the errors are still there and haven't been sorted. That why you are coming up with these arguements that don't make sense, because you didn't see those errors and still don't.

We won't stay in the bottom 8, I never said that and even now don't say that, but we are going to struggle under Jol to make a challenge on europe not to mind 4th like this squad should demand.

I'm telling you now if you bring in Cappello or the like he'd do a,b,c and d and we'd be totally different outfit immediately, even with the same squad to begin with.

Hell just a good manager like Hughes would make us a totally different team immediately.

[choda]

If they were upset, then they'd have started playing with more pride a long time ago. After the Arsenal game. It's not forthcoming, its not acceptable. But its not all Jol!

Jesus Christ GS, it's not about banging the jersey. That's all empty shit if you are setup all wrong, have huge gaps to cover and can't find a man when you have the ball. IT'S IN THE DETAILS!

[peterc]

Peter, for **** sake, get some logic and brain power or join a kiddies forum will you?

Here we go, you start defending by name calling, I will leave it to the rest of the forum to judge who should join the kiddies forum then.

I said how do you know some are not upset, but just not stating it publicly. I never made any point except saying you don't know what they are thinking and players very rarely criticise a coach publicly.

Are you sure about that?, can give you a few examples when players crticised their managers publicly.

The Bolton players even publicly said they were behind Sammy Lee before he got the bullet.

I am not interested in Bolton's affairs, I am interested in THFC.

[olly27]

The thing is though mate, if you do **** up, and the boss continues to let you do the job, and you continue ****ing up, he is as culpable as you, because he is not managing the situation, or his staff.He is letting you do a job he knows your not capable of doing.It like that at Tottenham.Central midfielders playing on the wing, and basic footballing rules not being adhered to.It's not as if we're trying fantastic new things and failing, we're failing at the basics.It's schoolboy stuff, the kind of stuff we would all be slated for during P.E..Defending set-pieces, marking your man, defending from the front, keeping your shape, pressing the opposition, these are all BASICS, and these are the things we are failing to do.The management, and coaches have been watching these mistakes being made all season, and nothing is being done about it.The players are not playing, you are correct, and they need to take a fair share of the blame.It's also true though that the manager is not managing, and the coaches are not coaching.Something has to give.

This is a perfect synopsis of what is going on at the moment. I agree entirley Shakey and was going to post something very similar...no need now.

[wayne wonder]

I leave you boys for an hour or so and al hell breaks loose:p


End of the day coaching staff are to blame partly because they do the tactics, training etc which dont seem to be working. Whats really changed since last season realistically apart from the addition of bale and bent and only bale plays really.

secondly the players are to blame because they have to go on the pitch and play to the tactics given and granted it doesn't always go to plan but to a man last NIGHT nobody played well and its been like that for 10 games now we played some shit teams pre season who just didn't challenge us and half of them just aren't fit and at the races.

they need to lock themselves in a room and take a good look at themselves they're letting not only the fans down but themselves but it doesn't matter because they still get 30k + each week.

I just dont understand how we've got to this point and REMEMBER we're not too good to go down this season!! we've got the west ham syndrome thinking we're the dogs bollocks

I can single out individuals but its a team and everyone of them are playing like ****s bar keane but he's no maradona and cant do it by himself!!

[wayne wonder]

I did actually, check the post if you want proof. And you can know after one game if the errors are still there and haven't been sorted. That why you are coming up with these arguements that don't make sense, because you didn't see those errors and still don't.

We won't stay in the bottom 8, I never said that and even now don't say that, but we are going to struggle under Jol to make a challenge on europe not to mind 4th like this squad should demand.

I'm telling you now if you bring in Cappello or the like he'd do a,b,c and d and we'd be totally different outfit immediately, even with the same squad to begin with.

Hell just a good manager like Hughes would make us a totally different team immediately.


Totally agree!! Capello knows his tactics granted the football aint pretty but we have the players to play great football and become a solid unit like blackburn and chelsea!!

[Ginola's Son]

I did actually, check the post if you want proof. And you can know after one game if the errors are still there and haven't been sorted. That why you are coming up with these arguements that don't make sense, because you didn't see those errors and still don't.

I've not denied I said it was a blip. I thought it was, I was wrong, its getting to crisis level now. I didnt see the errors at Sunderland we played ok, hardly anything to get worried about.

We won't stay in the bottom 8, I never said that and even now don't say that, but we are going to struggle under Jol to make a challenge on europe not to mind 4th like this squad should demand.

Well, I was never one of the morons who thought we'd finish 4th anyway. I kept it real, but I didn't think things would be this bad.

I'm telling you now if you bring in Cappello or the like he'd do a,b,c and d and we'd be totally different outfit immediately, even with the same squad to begin with.

How...tell me how this will happen.

Jesus Christ GS, it's not about banging the jersey. That's all empty shit if you are setup all wrong, have huge gaps to cover and can't find a man when you have the ball. IT'S IN THE DETAILS!

No, it IS about banging the jersey. If you don't have any pride for the club, if you don't care if we win or lose then you have NO RIGHT to be on the pitch

[MiloMinderbinder]

Listened on the radio last night, the commentators inc the Waddler were going ape shit about Dawson, Chimbonda, Jenas and Bent. In fact eh only players that got credit were Lee, Keane and Cerny. Bodes well doesn't it?

I get the impression that the players no longer trust or respect the manager and will not play for him, anyone remember the end of Hoddle's reign, this has a very familiar air to it.