Match Thread: Newcastle United vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Ginola's Son]

Player power is a good thing yes? Hounding out the manager because they are crap?

[wayne wonder]

And what he's doing to JD is beyond belief totally shocking at least he wants to play for the team and give his all. Sometimes he does piss u off but at least the lad has been a total professional in the situation he finds himself in

[Ginola's Son]

Well, yeah. Defoe's treatment beggars belief.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Player power is a good thing yes? Hounding out the manager because they are crap?

Which of those parties are you saying are crap?

I haven't said player power is a good thing. But (in MJ's case a fat, incompetent but), the player know better than anyone if and how the problems are being addressed and may feel agrieved if they think the wrong methods are applied, if they turn on the manager there can only be one outcome.

[Ginola's Son]

What right have they got to turn on the manager. It's them that are letting him down by playing like a load of escaped gorillas.

[MiloMinderbinder]

What right have they got to turn on the manager. It's them that are letting him down by playing like a load of escaped gorillas.

They have no right, but they want success not excuses and sound bites. Look at the substitutions last night, either wrong or too late.

I agree that certain players are letting us down (not Jol us, we're the club not him), but I never wanted Chimbonda or Zokora in the first place.

[Ginola's Son]

Chimbo was a highly rated full back at Wigan, I liked him, but since joining us, he's got the hump cos he knows Chelski would buy him and he made the wrong choice coming here. Zokora I still think he's ok, just utterly innefective when paired with Jenas, a man so hit and miss its literally the sublime and the ridiculous, but replace the word sublime with passable.

If they want success, then go out and ****ing get it! And don't try and tell me they just play as Jol wants them too and it fails. If a good footballer hears shit advice then they still do it their own way. Berbs for instance. It was the players outfought and and outhungered by a Newcastle team that wanted it more, and this Newcastle team was average! This goes back to my point about players wanting it, sometimes that forces home results ahead of skills and tactics.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Chimbo was a highly rated full back at Wigan, I liked him, but since joining us, he's got the hump cos he knows Chelski would buy him and he made the wrong choice coming here. Zokora I still think he's ok, just utterly innefective when paired with Jenas, a man so hit and miss its literally the sublime and the ridiculous, but replace the word sublime with passable.

If they want success, then go out and ****ing get it! And don't try and tell me they just play as Jol wants them too and it fails. If a good footballer hears shit advice then they still do it their own way. Berbs for instance. It was the players outfought and and outhungered by a Newcastle team that wanted it more, and this Newcastle team was average! This goes back to my point about players wanting it, sometimes that forces home results ahead of skills and tactics.

Chimbo was highly rated by those who didn't have a clue what they are watching, he's a liablity plain and simple, leaves the door wide open, show boats, kisses his own arse. Zokora is just shit, plain unadultarated shit, what's his strength exactly, falling over? giving the ball away? Jenas is talented but effete, a case of too much too young?

Your point re Newcatle's hunger backs up the arguement that Jol is not doing a good job. Hunger and desire is intalled partly by the manager, that's what Mourninho is a genius at, not tactics. Jol can't get a virigin up for prom night.

[olly27]

Chimbo was a highly rated full back at Wigan, I liked him, but since joining us, he's got the hump cos he knows Chelski would buy him and he made the wrong choice coming here. Zokora I still think he's ok, just utterly innefective when paired with Jenas, a man so hit and miss its literally the sublime and the ridiculous, but replace the word sublime with passable.

If they want success, then go out and ****ing get it! And don't try and tell me they just play as Jol wants them too and it fails. If a good footballer hears shit advice then they still do it their own way. Berbs for instance. It was the players outfought and and outhungered by a Newcastle team that wanted it more, and this Newcastle team was average! This goes back to my point about players wanting it, sometimes that forces home results ahead of skills and tactics.

Thats the managers job to change it if it aint working. If the same players arn't trying hard enough, your theory, and the manager aint doing anything about it..he's even more culpable. Decsions are made from the top of any organisation..players who arn't trying hard enough, alas Jenas...arn't being dropped...thats the manager inability to make big decisions as I have referred to in my Time to Go thread.

[Ginola's Son]

Chimbo was highly rated by those who didn't have a clue what they are watching, he's a liablity plain and simple, leaves the door wide open, show boats, kisses his own arse. Zokora is just shit, plain unadultarated shit, what's his strength exactly, falling over? giving the ball away? Jenas is talented but effete, a case of too much too young?



Surging runs into the box. Getting his foot stuck in, tracking back. He's not the finished article by any means.


Your point re Newcatle's hunger backs up the arguement that Jol is not doing a good job. Hunger and desire is intalled partly by the manager, that's what Mourninho is a genius at, not tactics. Jol can't get a virigin up for prom night.

Oh come on, haven't you seen Jol, he is a passionate man. He must be clueless as to why the players aren't performing. It's hurting him more than anyone.

[olly27]

Surging runs into the box. Getting his foot stuck in, tracking back. He's not the finished article by any means.



Oh come on, haven't you seen Jol, he is a passionate man. He must be clueless as to why the players aren't performing. It's hurting him more than anyone.

But he's relatively inept in terms of managing and utilizing this squad.

[Ginola's Son]

inept. Yeah. you gotta be really inept to lead that band of losers to 5th twice, and yeah, I will keep mentioning that. Because none of you realise the magnitude of that achievement, before he came along NO-ONE COULD DO IT! In Premiership history! Except the League Cup 99, but you know I loved GG too.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Surging runs into the box. Getting his foot stuck in, tracking back. He's not the finished article by any means.

Touch of a ******* passing of a thlid, shooting of Douglas Bader.

Oh come on, haven't you seen Jol, he is a passionate man. He must be clueless as to why the players aren't performing. It's hurting him more than anyone.

Jol's clueless in just about everything, that's why we are where we are. If it's hurting him he knows what to do.

BTW; Just imagine where we'd be now if the moron element of our fans hadn't hounded out GG for Hoddle!

[olly27]

inept. Yeah. you gotta be really inept to lead that band of losers to 5th twice, and yeah, I will keep mentioning that. Because none of you realise the magnitude of that achievement, before he came along NO-ONE COULD DO IT! In Premiership history! Except the League Cup 99, but you know I loved GG too.

Yes and was backed heavily by his board. The problem is with the extra TV revenues running about other sides have improved considerably and closed the gap. Look at our spending figures...over the last 3 years. This is results based business end of. Its tough, cut throat and huge business. The writing has been on the wall for me since Chelsea in the Cup last year. 3-1 up and takes of the one person who can hold the ball up
(Berba) and our only outlet in Lennon...we all know what happened after that...there's not one person I know who wasn't srceaming at the TV at those decisions...not after the game with hindsight...when it happened. We were controlling the game at that point and surredered the initiative. In the main its been more of the same since then. He isn't learning from the same mistakes. For me he makes more wrong decisions than right ones and thats what will end up costing him his job.

[Ginola's Son]

BTW; Just imagine where we'd be now if the moron element of our fans hadn't hounded out GG for Hoddle!

Well, that same moron element are rearing their ugly heads again mate. If Jol is to be sacked, then it must be for the good of the club. I DO NOT want to see another 03/04 ****ing ****ty season with no bloody manager.

Yes and was backed heavily by his board

So if he does well, its the boards doing, when he does crap, its his doing. Sort it out mate!

[olly27]

Well, that same moron element are rearing their ugly heads again mate. If Jol is to be sacked, then it must be for the good of the club. I DO NOT want to see another 03/04 ****ing ****ty season with no bloody manager.



So if he does well, its the boards doing, when he does crap, its his doing. Sort it out mate!

Take a look at the league table mate. Am talking about the spending over the whole period. We have spent a huge amount over the last three years and Jol is not getting the best out of this squad. Your seriously blind if you cant see the most obvious of limitations.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Well, that same moron element are rearing their ugly heads again mate. If Jol is to be sacked, then it must be for the good of the club. I DO NOT want to see another 03/04 ****ing ****ty season with no bloody manager.



So if he does well, its the boards doing, when he does crap, its his doing. Sort it out mate!

Nope, the idiots are backing the idiot. Those that know what they're watching are sick of it and have been since before the end of last year. Go sit in the East Upper, you'll not hear one word of praise for Jol.

He's been given the tools and the time and has achieved the sum total of the bare minimum and a relegation dog fight.

[peterc]

Well, that same moron element are rearing their ugly heads again mate. If Jol is to be sacked, then it must be for the good of the club. I DO NOT want to see another 03/04 ****ing ****ty season with no bloody manager.



So if he does well, its the boards doing, when he does crap, its his doing. Sort it out mate!


As the old saying goes, "better the devil you know than the one you don't know"

[olly27]

As the old saying goes, "btter the devil you know than the one you don't know"

Your right Pete...if your happy with the current state of events!

[peterc]

Take a look at the league table mate. Am talking about the spending over the whole period. We have spent a huge amount over the last three years and Jol is not getting the best out of this squad. Your seriously blind if you cant see the most obvious of limitations.

We were not far away from where we are now last aseason and still managed fifth palce and good runs in Europe and the cups. Rome was not built in one day.

[MiloMinderbinder]

As the old saying goes, "btter the devil you know than the one you don't know"

the prosecution rests.

[wayne wonder]

Talking about passion i've not once this season seen Jol come tearing out from the dugout to give someone a tongue lashing!!!

I saw big sam nearly have a heart attack last night encouraging, bollocking his players and Martin O'neil does it too our boss just sits there chewing gum with his arm around Hughton :confused:

Granted u can say Wenger doesn't go out and shout but he's constantly showing a bit of passion or if it not him its Pat Rice, Mark Hughes does it why cant out big fat round bear of a manager do it answers on a post card please
:(

[choda]

I've not denied I said it was a blip. I thought it was, I was wrong, its getting to crisis level now. I didnt see the errors at Sunderland we played ok, hardly anything to get worried about.

Nonsense, I told you at the time there was much to worry about. That day he made severe errors in the starting line-up, and that was only the beginning. We had no width and creativity. On that day our only hope of getting a goal was something from nothing from Keane or Berb.


Well, I was never one of the morons who thought we'd finish 4th anyway. I kept it real, but I didn't think things would be this bad.

Many people outside of spurs even predicted 4th. Slightly premature in my view. I don't think we were ever favourites, and said as much, but we should definitely be challenging for it to the end with the money we have spent.

How...tell me how this will happen.


No, it IS about banging the jersey. If you don't have any pride for the club, if you don't care if we win or lose then you have NO RIGHT to be on the pitch

Here's the post where I listed it: http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62466&postcount=354

It does include passion and work rate by the way, of course. But you have to be setup right or passion on its todd means **** all but a red angry face and nothing to show for it. Soon that dwindles into hopeless dejection and lack of confidence. Sound familiar? But yet you and others still go on about the lack of 'passion.'

[MiloMinderbinder]

Talking about passion i've not once this season seen Jol come tearing out from the dugout to give someone a tongue lashing!!!

I saw big sam nearly have a heart attack last night encouraging, bollocking his players and Martin O'neil does it too our boss just sits there chewing gum with his arm around Hughton :confused:

Granted u can say Wenger doesn't go out and shout but he's constantly showing a bit of passion or if it not him its Pat Rice, Mark Hughes does it why cant out big fat round bear of a manager do it answers on a post card please
:(

Cos a) he doesn't know what to say/do b) he doesn't really care that much.

[peterc]

Your right Pete...if your happy with the current sate of events!


No one is saying that we are happy with the present, however, Jol proved to us last season that he has managerial skills, we still ended up fifth, plus a good run in the Uefa, and in the cups.

[Ginola's Son]

Nope, the idiots are backing the idiot. Those that know what they're watching are sick of it and have been since before the end of last year. Go sit in the East Upper, you'll not hear one word of praise for Jol.

You don't hear much from the east stand period. These people aren't in the football industry and DO NOT know what is happening behind the scenes.

He's been given the tools and the time and has achieved the sum total of the bare minimum and a relegation dog fight.

What tools. He achieved 5th in 07 right. So the extra tools he needs are some better midfield players and a centre back, certainly NOT a 16 million striker from relegated Charlton. If we got Bale in, play the impressive Kaboul in centre mid and buy a top class centre back, then we're laughing. Cerny looks fine in goal. stick with him. I'm not saying thats top four. But its comfortable. He has NOT been given the tools this season.

[wayne wonder]

Cos a) he doesn't know what to say/do b) he doesn't really care that much.

Nail on the head there mate!!

I actually think he cant be arse me for one cant blame him but if thats the case dont **** up what you've achieved for us go with some pride man and leave it like that

[peterc]

Nope, the idiots are backing the idiot. Those that know what they're watching are sick of it and have been since before the end of last year. Go sit in the East Upper, you'll not hear one word of praise for Jol.

He's been given the tools and the time and has achieved the sum total of the bare minimum and a relegation dog fight.

So by name calling , that makes you very mature and intelligent, does it?. You seem to have a very short memory, when was the last time you have seen us qualify for Europe twice in a row via our position in the league?, never happened before in our club history. Mourinho was given more money and tools but still found it difficult to achieve his goal.

[peterc]

the prosecution rests.

Can't really see it resting with your name calling and negative atttiude either.:p

[choda]

Chimbo was highly rated by those who didn't have a clue what they are watching, he's a liablity plain and simple, leaves the door wide open, show boats, kisses his own arse. Zokora is just shit, plain unadultarated shit, what's his strength exactly, falling over? giving the ball away? Jenas is talented but effete, a case of too much too young?

Your point re Newcatle's hunger backs up the arguement that Jol is not doing a good job. Hunger and desire is intalled partly by the manager, that's what Mourninho is a genius at, not tactics. Jol can't get a virigin up for prom night.

I believe you are wrong there KK. Mourinho has his tactical limitations, but they are on another level to Jol. He gets all the basics right in the setup and changes etc. He just doesn't know how to play expansive creative football.

And I'd say Jol can get his players motivated, but as I say, it becomes empty when the team is setup so badly.

[peterc]

You don't hear much from the east stand period. These people aren't in the football industry and DO NOT know what is happening behind the scenes.



What tools. He achieved 5th in 07 right. So the extra tools he needs are some better midfield players and a centre back, certainly NOT a 16 million striker from relegated Charlton. If we got Bale in, play the impressive Kaboul in centre mid and buy a top class centre back, then we're laughing. Cerny looks fine in goal. stick with him. I'm not saying thats top four. But its comfortable. He has NOT been given the tools this season.

What about the expensive tool called USELESS BENT that he didn't even want. answer that one Professor KK.

[olly27]

No one is saying that we are happy with the present, however, Jol proved to us last season that he has managerial skills, we still ended up fifth, plus a good run in the Uefa, and in the cups.

So if you maintain its not Jol who is the problem at the moment...its the players, right? Well how much credit to you apportion to the players last season and how much do you apportion to Mr Jol? What I am getting at its the manager who who drags down this squad of players..infact he's now what i would call a complete liability. So from your school of thought it was Mr jol who takes credit for last season...and now its the players fault...would you mind clearing this up. Pete did you watch the game last night...if you did, did you notice the line of our defence..I didn't cos there wasn't one...these are absolute bascis...even if you blame the players for falling out of position why isn't Jol bollocking them from the touchline to sort out their positioning?

[Ginola's Son]

Bent being the 16 Mil striker from Charton that I just mentioned Peter...there wouldn't be another one of those would there. Unless Jerome Thomas's value has shot up beyond beleif.

[jrio]

Talking about passion i've not once this season seen Jol come tearing out from the dugout to give someone a tongue lashing!!!

Usually I'd place this in the same category as kissing the badge, a spectacle designed to convince fans that there's passion and committment there even if there isn't.

[Ginola's Son]

I hate kissing the badge....unless its from a player who you know is passionate about the club. If Keane wants to do it, then I'd love to see it.

[choda]

What about the expensive tool called USELESS BENT that he didn't even want. answer that one Professor KK.

How do you ****ing know who buys the players? Your precious Martin Jol says he buys everyone. Are you calling him a liar now?

And Bent isn't useless, overpriced yes, but a 1 in 2 record at charlton and pace, movement and power to boot isn't useless. There are a lot of people knee jerking over Bent.

I wouldn't imagine it's easy coming into a shambles with no service and trying to get settled and get some confidence going in your new club. The front men need service to do well. It's only testament to Keano that he is doing okay. But just coming in and playng up front in this crap trying to settle in is borderline impossible. I feel sorry for him.

[jrio]

What tools. He achieved 5th in 07 right. So the extra tools he needs are some better midfield players and a centre back, certainly NOT a 16 million striker from relegated Charlton. If we got Bale in, play the impressive Kaboul in centre mid and buy a top class centre back, then we're laughing. Cerny looks fine in goal. stick with him. I'm not saying thats top four. But its comfortable. He has NOT been given the tools this season.
That would be the striker who averaged a goal every 2 games in a relegated side, despite being out of the side through injury for a long spell, and playing under 3 different managers. You can argue he's over-priced but not about his record.

[peterc]

So if you maintain its not Jol who is the problem at the moment...its the players, right? Well how much credit to you apportion to the players last season and how much do you apportion to Mr Jol? What I am getting at its the manager who who drags down this squad of players..infact he's now what i would call a complete liability. So from your school of thought it was Mr jol who takes credit for last season...and now its the players fault...would you mind clearing this up. Pete did you watch the game last night...if you did, did you notice the line of our defence..I didn't cos there wasn't one...these are absolute bascis...even if you blame the players for falling out of position why isn't Jol bollocking them from the touchline to sort out their positioning?

No, the difference is that last season the players realised that they had to listen to their manager for them to improve and climb up the table, unfortunately, this season so far, they seem to listen to Jol for a few games, then it's back to square one for the remainder, Jol can't be telling them differently, it's the players who are not performing and Jol is limited to the number of players he can change around in the squad, so by dropping most of them won't really help matters.

[peterc]

Bent being the 16 Mil striker from Charton that I just mentioned Peter...there wouldn't be another one of those would there. Unless Jerome Thomas's value has shot up beyond beleif.

GS, don't be surprised that they will start accusing Jol for his purchase now.

[choda]

Usually I'd place this in the same category as kissing the badge, a spectacle designed to convince fans that there's passion and committment there even if there isn't.

Well if he was screaming push out then he would have been doing his job.

[Ginola's Son]

That would be the striker who averaged a goal every 2 games in a relegated side, despite being out of the side through injury for a long spell, and playing under 3 different managers. You can argue he's over-priced but not about his record.

He was in his comfort zone there, he was the Valley's darling. Over here, he doesn't know how to handle being at this club. He's had opportunities, he's had start, its an outrageous sum of money to lay out for someone who is not proven at the highest level.

[MiloMinderbinder]

He was in his comfort zone there, he was the Valley's darling. Over here, he doesn't know how to handle being at this club. He's had opportunities, he's had start, its an outrageous sum of money to lay out for someone who is not proven at the highest level.

I repudiate that Bent isn't provne at the highest level, he's a natrual goal scorer at any level, he just hasn't had the service. No width and no playmaker equals few chances for Bent. Plus, we don't play to his strengths as our defense is woeful, the ball over the top is his meat and drink.

[peterc]

How do you ****ing know who buys the players? Your precious Martin Jol says he buys everyone. Are you calling him a liar now?

Martin Jol is a diplomatic person, something you, Choda might learn something off. If you refer to Martin Jol's pre season interviews, not once did he mention about strengthening our forward line, makes one wonder, doesn't it?

And Bent isn't useless, overpriced yes, but a 1 in 2 record at charlton and pace, movement and power to boot isn't useless. There are a lot of people knee jerking over Bent.

Your opinion, mine is USELESS

I wouldn't imagine it's easy coming into a shambles with no service and trying to get settled and get some confidence going in your new club. The front men need service to do well. It's only testament to Keano that he is doing okay. But just coming in and playng up front in this crap trying to settle in is borderline impossible. I feel sorry for him.

Professional players will perform and play anywhere and with anyone, so, obviously a waste of money for an unprofessional so called prolific striker.

[jrio]

He was in his comfort zone there, he was the Valley's darling. Over here, he doesn't know how to handle being at this club. He's had opportunities, he's had start, its an outrageous sum of money to lay out for someone who is not proven at the highest level.

That's not Bent's fault - he didn't demand we pay 16m for him. He even agreed a wage 2/3 of that Wham were offering to show that he was thinking of his career and not his bank balance. Bent's looked unconvincing but that's indicative of the whole team.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I believe you are wrong there KK. Mourinho has his tactical limitations, but they are on another level to Jol. He gets all the basics right in the setup and changes etc. He just doesn't know how to play expansive creative football.

And I'd say Jol can get his players motivated, but as I say, it becomes empty when the team is setup so badly.

It's not hard to be tactically ahead of Jol now is it? I'd imagine even O'Leary could achieve 5th with our squad. You're right in that it's Mourinho's use of subs that sets him apart.

[Ginola's Son]

I repudiate that Bent isn't provne at the highest level, he's a natrual goal scorer at any level, he just hasn't had the service. No width and no playmaker equals few chances for Bent. Plus, we don't play to his strengths as our defense is woeful, the ball over the top is his meat and drink.

Did you see him last night, every ball over the top? He didn't even try and get them, just accepted that Cacapa was bigger and stronger and that was that. How can you say he isn't proven at the highest level...which is the C-league. If he joins united and scores 25 goals a season, then I'll shut my mouth

[jrio]

Professional players will perform and play anywhere and with anyone, so, obviously a waste of money for an unprofessional so called prolific striker.

Your ignorance is truly staggering. I could think of a million examples that expose this statement as utterly ludicrous. The best I can think of is Henry at Juventus, where he looked completely out of his depth playing wide, then he went to Arsenal and, after a weak start, never looked back.

[olly27]

Did you see him last night, every ball over the top? He didn't even try and get them, just accepted that Cacapa was bigger and stronger and that was that. How can you say he isn't proven at the highest level...which is the C-league. If he joins united and scores 25 goals a season, then I'll shut my mouth

Bent is a good striker..might not be worth 16.5 million but nevertheless his record speaks for itself. You seriously have a very strange rationale. Strikers depend on service...where is it. Where's the creative spark from midfield, where's the natural wingers...oh yeah he didn't start lennon. When Bale's injured he brings on Tainio..a negative subsitution..we cant defend anyway.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Your ignorance is truly staggering. I could think of a million examples that expose this statement as utterly ludicrous. The best I can think of is Henry at Juventus, where he looked completely out of his depth playing wide, then he went to Arsenal and, after a weak start, never looked back.

Hats off to you, I'm amazed you were able to make any sense out of that drivel jrio!

[peterc]

Your ignorance is truly staggering. I could think of a million examples that expose this statement as utterly ludicrous. The best I can think of is Henry at Juventus, where he looked completely out of his depth playing wide, then he went to Arsenal and, after a weak start, never looked back.

So you are trying to say that Juventus were useless, they were only winning nearly any competiton they entered at the time, so I suggest you stop name calling and look at yourself in the mirror, hopefully it won't crack.:D

[MiloMinderbinder]

Did you see him last night, every ball over the top? He didn't even try and get them, just accepted that Cacapa was bigger and stronger and that was that. How can you say he isn't proven at the highest level...which is the C-league. If he joins united and scores 25 goals a season, then I'll shut my mouth

Didn't see the game, thank god (or Ginola, same thing).

If Bent were at Man U he'd get 25 goals no problem, it's about chances.

[olly27]

Your ignorance is truly staggering. I could think of a million examples that expose this statement as utterly ludicrous. The best I can think of is Henry at Juventus, where he looked completely out of his depth playing wide, then he went to Arsenal and, after a weak start, never looked back.

Absolutely...with Peter's rationale..there is no need for a manager. Systems, tactics and an ability to get the best out of your team are practically irrelavant!

[peterc]

Bent is a good striker..might not be worth 16.5 million but nevertheless his record speaks for itself. You seriously have a very strange rationale. Strikers depend on service...where is it. Where's the creative spark from midfield, where's the natural wingers...oh yeah he didn't start lennon. When Bale's injured he brings on Tainio..a negative subsitution..we cant defend anyway.


However, surprise, surprise Keano still manages to score seven goals in the last seven matches, wow, how did that happen, only cos he fights to the bitter end, Bent has not shown that determination. Complete waste of money and time.

[Ginola's Son]

KK - Keane slipped Bent the ball a million times, he keeps dragging out wide and not taking a ****ing shot

[jrio]

Did you see him last night, every ball over the top? He didn't even try and get them, just accepted that Cacapa was bigger and stronger and that was that. How can you say he isn't proven at the highest level...which is the C-league. If he joins united and scores 25 goals a season, then I'll shut my mouth
Ah, the CL. We bought him to play in the Prem, as we have no guarantee of playing in CL, unlike United. Defoe isn't proven in CL either, but the club value him at 12m. I can't see how you think it fair to judge him on the sporadic appearances he's made for us.

[peterc]

Hats off to you, I'm amazed you were able to make any sense out of that drivel jrio!

Oh, here we go, we need some assistance from his other negative compatriot. You both have something in common, name call and try and ridicule others who have different opinions to yours, suppose it's a forum afterall, we have to live with some fautls, dont we?.

[MiloMinderbinder]

KK - Keane slipped Bent the ball a million times, he keeps dragging out wide and not taking a ****ing shot

Was the ball played into space behind the defence? He is at rock bottom confidence at present, he'll come good if given the service.

[olly27]

However, surprise, surprise Keano still manages to score seven goals in the last seven matches, wow, how did that happen, only cos he fights to the bitter end, Bent has not shown that determination. Complete waste of money and time.

Your really are daft. How many games has Bent started in the league. Away and find the amount of mins played on the pitch compared to Keano...then come back to me.

[SurreySpur]

Didn't see the game, thank god (or Ginola, same thing).

If Bent were at Man U he'd get 25 goals no problem, it's about chances.

Yeah its all about the quality of service for a player like Darren Bent, he recieved one decent ball into the box last night and managed a good effort that hit the post, which saw Robbie score our goal. We need to play to our players strengths, it seems Jol has a system then tries to fit players into it rather than adapting it so it will suit the players that we have available. Bent needs the ball fed in behind the defence or he needs decent whipped crosses into the box to utilise his strength in the air. Bale and Lennon are capable of supplying this but we dont seem to have anyone to slot the ball in behind to stretch the play.

We're so lucky to have four absolutley TOP CLASS strikers but we need to play to their individual strengths otherwise what is the point. But it wont happen until we're able to keep possession for more than 10seconds.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Oh, here we go, we need some assistance from his other negative compatriot. You both have something in common, name call and try and ridicule others who have different opinions to yours, suppose it's a forum afterall, we have to live with some fautls, dont we?.

Note to self; IGNORE

[peterc]

Didn't see the game, thank god (or Ginola, same thing).

If Bent were at Man U he'd get 25 goals no problem, it's about chances.

However, KK still has to contribute with his common negative opinions without even watching the game, say no more.:rolleyes:

[MiloMinderbinder]

However, KK still has to contribute with his common negative opinions without even watching the game, say no more.:rolleyes:

I find it amusing you're from Malta, you are Jol's Faith, Hope and Charity.

[olly27]

However, KK still has to contribute with his common negative opinions without even watching the game, say no more.:rolleyes:

Thats because these problems arn't about one game. Thats the whole bloody point.

[jrio]

So you are trying to say that Juventus were useless, they were only winning nearly any competiton they entered at the time, so I suggest you stop name calling and look at yourself in the mirror, hopefully it won't crack.:D

I'm saying that if you'd seen Henry at Juve you'd have come to the conclusion he was a waste of money, in response to your observation that a player will play anywhere to a high standard or he's not being professional. Stop playing this passive/aggressive nonsense, claiming you've been insulted. I called your statement ludicrous. If you have any knowledge of professional football it is.

[peterc]

Your really are daft. How many games has Bent started in the league. Away and find the amount of mins played on the pitch compared to Keano...then come back to me.

Why play him, he cannot score, he has played four time now, manged to get a lucky one. Not much of a prolific striker, and one game was against the part-timers in Cyprus, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[peterc]

Note to self; IGNORE

Best you do, cos you have been proven wrong again.:p

[peterc]

I'm saying that if you'd seen Henry at Juve you'd have come to the conclusion he was a waste of money, in response to your observation that a player will play anywhere to a high standard or he's not being professional. Stop playing this passive/aggressive nonsense, claiming you've been insulted. I called your statement ludicrous. If you have any knowledge of professional football it is.

So if I call someone ignorant, that's fine is it? Jrio, it's not the first time you try to defend youself by name calling, at the end of the day, this is a forum for all to participate and are entilted to view their opinions whether on agrees with them or not.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Best you do, cos you have been proven wrong again.:p

Repudiate; to dismiss an allegation as incorrect

Refute; to provide evidence of a wrongful allegation.

So what have I been proven wrong in? That I gave you the time of day? You don't appear to have go the hang of this debating lark have you.

[Ginola's Son]

Come on KK, give him some credit. He doesn't wimp out does he...

[peterc]

I find it amusing you're from Malta, you are Jol's Faith, Hope and Charity.

Did the google help you out on that one KK?:p

[jrio]

Best you do, cos you have been proven wrong again.:p
How do you do it, peter? Time and time again, you prove everyone wrong!
Though it does seem to be by the expedient of typing "you have been proven wrong".

Truly, you are the rightest person in the universe.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Come on KK, give him some credit. He doesn't wimp out does he...

Oh credit where its due, he stands up for his views, which you know I respect. It's just that there appears to be a distinct lack of understanding on the finer and less fine points of the game, debating and life in general.

[choda]

Why play him, he cannot score, he has played four time now, manged to get a lucky one. Not much of a prolific striker, and one game was against the part-timers in Cyprus, please correct me if I'm wrong.

He has two goals in nine appearances, mostly from the bench. He has one league goal.

[MiloMinderbinder]

How do you do it, peter? Time and time again, you prove everyone wrong!
Though it does seem to be by the expedient of typing "you have been proven wrong".

Truly, you are the rightest person in the universe.

Your just a fickle jrio, and wrong and a name caller.

[olly27]

Why play him, he cannot score, he has played four time now, manged to get a lucky one. Not much of a prolific striker, and one game was against the part-timers in Cyprus, please correct me if I'm wrong.

You call us fickle for seeing the blindingly obvious limitations of Jol. Yet Bent has made only a few appearances in a team which is in turmoil. Think your the fickle one. We'r basing are arguments on countless games which have certainly been affected by jol's ineptness. Yet Bent is crap now is he? After a few performances he's no good? you make me laugh serioulsy....

[peterc]

Come on KK, give him some credit. He doesn't wimp out does he...

No, I just don't take any negative opinions just for the sake of running down the squad and managment, yes things are not going well, but by being negative is not solving the matter, we need to show more support to the management and team for them to overcome this bad patch we are going through. They managed it last season and they can do it again.

[jrio]

So if I call someone ignorant, that's fine is it? Jrio, it's not the first time you try to defend youself by name calling, at the end of the day, this is a forum for all to participate and are entilted to view their opinions whether on agrees with them or not.
You need to acquire an understanding of speech and grammar. I don't see anything wrong with pointing out a statement is ludicrous and then defining why I think that. You just resort to claiming you're being victimised when the flaws in your thinking are highlighted.

[Ginola's Son]

See KK...I agree with Peter there

Harsh changes must only be done at the right time. This is not the right time IMO

[peterc]

How do you do it, peter? Time and time again, you prove everyone wrong!
Though it does seem to be by the expedient of typing "you have been proven wrong".

Truly, you are the rightest person in the universe.

Well, Professor Jrio, I did listen to your lectures.

[jrio]

Your just a fickle jrio, and wrong and a name caller.
No, you're just wrong. I can't prove it but the might intellect of peterc has exposed your flaws for all to see. I'm surprised you've still got the gall to post here.

[peterc]

He has two goals in nine appearances, mostly from the bench. He has one league goal.

Wow, very impressive for a supposed to be a £16.5 million prolific striker. No wonder Jol never wanted to strenghten his forward line when his name was mentioned.

[jrio]

Well, Professor Jrio, I did listen to your lectures.
As I've said before peter, no need to call me by my formal title. "Sir" is quite adequate.

[MiloMinderbinder]

No, I just don't take any negative opinions just for the sake of running down the squad and managment,

Does that include Bent?

[peterc]

You call us fickle for seeing the blindingly obvious limitations of Jol. Yet Bent has made only a few appearances in a team which is in turmoil. Think your the fickle one. We'r basing are arguments on countless games which have certainly been affected by jol's ineptness. Yet Bent is crap now is he? After a few performances he's no good? you make me laugh serioulsy....

Me fickle, please show me where I changed my views, call me what you want, but definitely not fickle, like quite a few of you are on this forum, some of you change your views faster than the speed of light.

[olly27]

Wow, very impressive for a supposed to be a £16.5 million prolific striker. No wonder Jol never wanted to strenghten his forward line when his name was mentioned.

Ok then Pete, who decided to start him last night. You can't have it both ways.

[peterc]

As I've said before peter, no need to call me by my formal title. "Sir" is quite adequate.
So sorry Sir Professor Mr Negative.:p

[olly27]

Me fickle, please show me where I changed my views, call me what you want, but definitely not fickle, like quite a few of you are on thisforum, some of you change your views faster than the speed of light.

Well I am not one of them. I have had severe reservations about Jols capacity to manage since the middle of last season. All this has only compounded my initial views. Not that I wanted all this to happen...forsight I hoped wouldn't materialise.

[choda]

No, I just don't take any negative opinions just for the sake of running down the squad and managment, yes things are not going well, but by being negative is not solving the matter, we need to show more support to the management and team for them to overcome this bad patch we are going through. They managed it last season and they can do it again.

The criticisms are not for the sake of it Peter. I'm defending most of the players actually. And you are running down Bent. Are you just doing that for the sake of it?

It's this kind of warped reasoning that leads to your alienation Peter, not necessarily your views. You seem to think that only your views are helpful and positive and other people are just being negative.

How about discussing it instead of using warped reasoning and bringing lots of flak on yourself and then retorting with nonsense like 'you are a fickle and a name caller.'

And by the way this isn't name calling Peter, I'm trying to tell you how it is.

[peterc]

Does that include Bent?

Bent has not proven to us what he us worth, he came to us with his price tag, he has to show us that he is worth the price, so far, he has shown us SFA.

[choda]

Wow, very impressive for a supposed to be a £16.5 million prolific striker. No wonder Jol never wanted to strenghten his forward line when his name was mentioned.

I was giving you the stats you requested Peter, not making any arguements for his current tally.

[choda]

Bent has not proven to us what he us worth, he came to us with his price tag, he has to show us that he is worth the price, so far, he has shown us SFA.

But you think the same about Defoe, do you not?

[olly27]

Bent has not proven to us what he us worth, he came to us with his price tag, he has to show us that he is worth the price, so far, he has shown us SFA.

Right I cant take anymore of this! lol....he' at the very start of his career with us..and your talking like he's been here for a full season or two! How do you defend your own assertions...try applying some logic and perspective, if indeed you are capable of doing so.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Bent has not proven to us what he us worth, he came to us with his price tag, he has to show us that he is worth the price, so far, he has shown us SFA.

You're negative and fickle and you're calling him names. i've proven you wrong again. :confused:

[jrio]

So sorry Sir Professor Mr Negative.:p
Where do you get your rainbow-tinted glasses from? You're going to need a hefty stocking up if Jol stays much longer. Then you'll still be able to ignore Spurs having 7 points from 10 games(18 behind an Henry-less Arse who have a game in hand), being in 18th place, conceding nearly 2 goals a game(half of those with 3 or more), and generally looking completely inept. Might invest in a few pairs myself.

[peterc]

The criticisms are not for the sake of it Peter. I'm defending most of the players actually. And you are running down Bent. Are you just doing that for the sake of it?

I am running down Bent cos he has not proven his worth, he had his chance to show in pre season , he was not that impressive then and still isn't now.


It's this kind of warped reasoning that leads to your alienation Peter, not necessarily your views. You seem to think that only your views and helpful and positive and other people are just being negative.

The difference is I don't defend myself by name calling and trying to ridicule others unless they get abusive and quite a number of times this does tend to happen on this forum.

How about discussing it instead of using warped reasoning and bringing lots of flak on yourself and then retorting with nonsense like you are a fickle and a name caller.

I can only react on what I get. I try my ulmost to avoid certain clashes, but sometimes it comes to the point that if you can't beat them, join them.


And by the way this isn't name calling Peter, I'm trying to tell you how it is.

I haven't seen you call me ignorant, tw*t or many other names I have been called (some by you and others) but at the end of the day, I will not be bullied into changing my opinions by anyone.

[peterc]

But you think the same about Defoe, do you not?

I am not a very keen supporter of Defoe.

[olly27]

I am not a very keen supporter of Defoe.

But are you saying you have seen enough of Bent already? Well if you say he's crap he must be....Ive changed my mind...youv'e convinced me.

[peterc]

Right I cant take anymore of this! lol....he' at the very start of his career with us..and your talking like he's been here for a full season or two! How do you defend your own assertions...try applying some logic and perspective, if indeed you are capable of doing so.

Supposedly a professional player costing us £16.5 millionm pounds and he has been with us for nearly five months now, trained with the squad and got to know how the team performs, apart from this present patch, so I cannot see any excuses why he needs much more time to adapt.

[choda]

Come on KK, give him some credit. He doesn't wimp out does he...

It's not necessarily creditable when somebody sticks by thier views no matter what. See mjb for more details.

Is this what you are doing? Because you're not coming up with any sense either. You are suggesting they just need more pride.

But yet every game we have a good work rate is where the units are tight and close together. Hmm, could it be tactics that sucks all the life out of any effort our players try to give?

I would suggest basic tactical competency be equally stressed along with passion as your starting point. Neither works without the other. I know which is lacking in our team.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Supposedly a professional coach/manger costing us £2 millionm pounds per year and he has been with us for nearly 3 years now, "trained" the squad and got to know how the team should perform, so I cannot see any excuses why he needs much more time to adapt.

Fixed it for you.

[choda]

Supposedly a professional player costing us £16.5 millionm pounds and he has been with us for nearly five months now, trained with the squad and got to know how the team performs, apart from this present patch, so I cannot see any excuses why he needs much more time to adapt.

Okay Pete, take a look at his record in pre season then. It was very good. He and Keane scored lots of goals.

But as many ponted out pre-season was only a fitness exercise. His season begin in the prem. And he's had 2 starts. 2 starts, and you want call him useless.

[peterc]

You're negative and fickle and you're calling him names. i've proven you wrong again. :confused:

We are here to discuss players and opinions and not name call eachother, shall we look and see what most of you have been calling Robbo, Jenas, Malbranque, Defoe, Bent, Jol, Jol and Jol, Hughton etc, etc etc.

[olly27]

Supposedly a professional player costing us £16.5 millionm pounds and he has been with us for nearly five months now, trained with the squad and got to know how the team performs, apart from this present patch, so I cannot see any excuses why he needs much more time to adapt.

The way you try to construct your views and your reasoning has a tint of immaturity to it. This is not a personal attack on you, and fair enough your entitled to your opinion but nevertheless you seem incapable of grasping some pretty obvious points. No offence by the way.

[jrio]

Supposedly a professional player costing us £16.5 millionm pounds and he has been with us for nearly five months now, trained with the squad and got to know how the team performs, apart from this present patch, so I cannot see any excuses why he needs much more time to adapt.

You were possibly also unaware of how unimpressive Michael Essien was in his first season with Chelsea compared with last season.

[peterc]

Where do you get your rainbow-tinted glasses from? You're going to need a hefty stocking up if Jol stays much longer. Then you'll still be able to ignore Spurs having 7 points from 10 games(18 behind an Henry-less Arse who have a game in hand), being in 18th place, conceding nearly 2 goals a game(half of those with 3 or more), and generally looking completely inept. Might invest in a few pairs myself.

No. the difference is I'm willing to wait for the remainder of twenty eight games left to play that can change things quite dramatically.

[MiloMinderbinder]

We are here to discuss players and opinions and not name call eachother, shall we look and see what most of you have been calling Robbo, Jenas, Malbranque, Defoe, Bent, Jol, Jol and Jol, Hughton etc, etc etc.

Err, I don't think you got it did you.

[jrio]

The way you try to construct your views and your reasoning has a tint of immaturity to it. This is not a personal attack on you, and fair enough your entitled to your opinion but nevertheless you seem incapable of grasping some pretty obvious points. No offence by the way.
I feel that pretty soon you will be proven wrong.

[peterc]

The way you try to construct your views and your reasoning has a tint of immaturity to it. This is not a personal attack on you, and fair enough your entitled to your opinion but nevertheless you seem incapable of grasping some pretty obvious points. No offence by the way.


No problem whatsoever, we are all entilted to view our opinions without any abusive repilies and name calling.

[olly27]

No. the difference is I'm willing to wait for the remainder of twenty eight games left to play that can change things quite dramatically.


You just cant stop contradicting yourself. Try applying this theory to Darren Bent. Judge him at the end of the seasson. The rest of us know full well its only a matter of time before Jol go's...his position is virtually untenable.

[peterc]

You were possibly also unaware of how unimpressive Michael Essien was in his first season with Chelsea compared with last season.

I wouldn't say as bad as Bent.

[RuFuS]

I'm willing to wait for the remainder of twenty eight games left to play that can change things quite dramatically.

And geographically (footballing opponents wise)

[peterc]

Err, I don't think you got it did you.

Whatever KK, whatever.

[shakey18]

I also fail to see why changing your views on a subject matter is seen as a sign of weakness.Surely things change, and recognising that fact and re-evaluating your views is just a sign of someone who acknowledges that.

[jrio]

No. the difference is I'm willing to wait for the remainder of twenty eight games left to play that can change things quite dramatically.

Yes, we could win all of those games. It's not impossible, just so highly improbable to appear so. You appear to base your optimism on the recovery from last season. A noticeable detoriation has materialised from then. Do you recognise it? King's further injury woes have compounded it, coupled with the board's antics. A recovery along the lines of last season appears to be clutching at straws.

[peterc]

I feel that pretty soon you will be proven wrong.

Hard luck Professor, a bit embarrassing for you to be proven wrong yet again, shall we start abusing or name calling or maybe offending dead people as you did before.

[RuFuS]

I also fail to see why changing your views on a subject matter is seen as a sign of weakness.Surely things change, and recognising that fact and re-evaluating your views is just a sign of someone who acknowledges that.

Cue : Ian Paisley and Jerry Adams :rolleyes:

[choda]

I am not a very keen supporter of Defoe.

That's not how you've put it before. You called him a useless prick too. Now, when you do it that it's okay, right. Then it's positive, constructive, because you are saying it. But when I say Jenas is a steaming pile of shit I'm just being negative. But when I agree that Defoe is limited and overated then I'm being positive again. Have I got it right Pete?

[peterc]

Yes, we could win all of those games. It's not impossible, just so highly improbable to appear so. You appear to base your optimism on the recovery from last season. A noticeable detoriation has materialised from then. Do you recognise it? King's further injury woes have compounded it, coupled with the board's antics. A recovery along the lines of last season appears to be clutching at straws.

I am willing to be patient and see what happens than just start chopping and changing and we might end up much worse position than we are now.

[choda]

Hard luck Professor, a bit embarrassing for you to be proven wrong yet again, shall we start abusing or name calling or maybe offending dead people as you did before.

You can't offend a dead person, or at least you can't know whether they are offended or not.

[peterc]

That's not how you've put it before. You called him a useless prick too. Now, when you do it that it's okay, right. Then it's positive, constructive, because you are saying it. But when I say Jenas is a steaming pile of shit I'm just being negative. But when I agree that Defoe is limited and overated then I'm being positive again. Have I got it right Pete?

I challenge to copy and paste such comments made by me, Choda, I'm waiting.

[olly27]

I just get the feeling that most of us are debating with a passionate child who loves his club, and certailnly loves big Martin...am easing off...fair enough. God love him.

[peterc]

You can't offend a dead person, or at least you can't know whether they are offended or not.

I meant he offended me by mentioning my mother, who had passed away.

[olly27]

I meant he offended me by mentioning my mother, who had passed away.

You have taken that so far out of context its a joke. It wasn't a direct insult...how could he possibly have that knowledge...seriously grow up.

[jrio]

I also fail to see why changing your views on a subject matter is seen as a sign of weakness.Surely things change, and recognising that fact and re-evaluating your views is just a sign of someone who acknowledges that.
Who was it who said: "When the facts change, that's when I change my opinion"? Admittedly, afterwards peterc told him that he'd proven him wrong. :o

[choda]

And geographically (footballing opponents wise)

I think Jol can challenge for the top 4, I really do. I think we are certs for the play-offs at least.

[peterc]

I just get the feeling that most of us are debating with a passionate child who loves his club, and certailnly loves big Martin...am easing off...fair enough. God love him.

Here we go again lets call him a child, just cos he disagrees with our opinion, some of you are a joke.:D

[choda]

I meant he offended me by mentioning my mother, who had passed away.

He didn't know that though, so you can't be pissed off with him over that. Plus it wasn't even a 'mother joke,' but a dig at your what he thinks is your maturity level.

[peterc]

You have taken that so far out of context its a joke. It wasn't a direct insult...how could he possibly have that knowledge...seriously grow up.

So if someone mentions anyone who is dead in your family it's a joke is it? Tongue in cheek or not, no reason to mention anyones family members

[peterc]

He didn't know that though, so you can't be pissed off with him over that. Plus it wasn't even a 'mother joke,' but a dig at your what he thinks is your maturity level.

So diplomacy seems to be a very weak subject with some of you.

[jrio]

Hard luck Professor, a bit embarrassing for you to be proven wrong yet again, shall we start abusing or name calling or maybe offending dead people as you did before.
I. See. Dead. People.
I. See. Dead. People.

Didn't happen until I'd seen "The Sixth Sense". Haven't slept a wink since.


BTW, you can't offend dead people, because they happen to be dead and lacking the faculties to be offended. Never mind, grasshopper, you're still young. Well, you've got a "young" mind. :o

[olly27]

Here we go again lets call him a child, just cos he disagrees with out opinion, some of you are a joke.:D

Come on Pete, its juts an inkling....its just the way you construct your sentences and some of your statements are...well you know. Dont mean to offend.

[shakey18]

So if someone mentions anyone who is dead in your family it's a joke is it? Tongue in cheek or not, no reason to mention anyones family members

The problem is pete, the "joke" was about you, not your mother.Let's leave this sort of stuff out of it, especially when it has no relevance to the thread.

[peterc]

He didn't know that though, so you can't be pissed off with him over that. Plus it wasn't even a 'mother joke,' but a dig at your what he thinks is your maturity level.


By the way, Choda, I'm still waiting for you to copy and paste what I had called Defoe.

[jrio]

You can't offend a dead person, or at least you can't know whether they are offended or not.

Hmmm, that's what I thought, but just feel we're both about to be proven wrong. Again. Drat!

[peterc]

I. See. Dead. People.
I. See. Dead. People.

Didn't happen until I'd seen "The Sixth Sense". Haven't slept a wink since.


BTW, you can't offend dead people, because they happen to be dead and lacking the faculties to be offended. Never mind, grasshopper, you're still young. Well, you've got a "young" mind. :o


Shows your kind of mentality.

[choda]

By the way, Choda, I'm still waiting for you to copy and paste what I had called Defoe.

Lol, you're in for a wait. I just know you've been pretty insulting to him at times... and so have I.

[jrio]

I challenge to copy and paste such comments made by me, Choda, I'm waiting.
C'mon choda, I double that challenge. Otherwise it looks as though, yet again, you will follow KK down the sad path of being proven wrong.

[peterc]

Come on Pete, its juts an inkling....its just the way you construct your sentences and some of your statements are...well you know. Dont mean to offend.

Well, I suggest you read others who are supposed to be English and can't even construct or spell in their own language, at least I can speak and discuss in a foreign language.

[olly27]

Come on Choda...please provide the eveidence so we can rest 'a bit' of the case!

[peterc]

Lol, you're in for a wait. I just know you've been pretty insulting to him at times... and so have I.


Prove to us that I called him what you said, I did say that he was overrated.

[choda]

C'mon choda, I double that challenge. Otherwise it looks as though, yet again, you will follow KK down the sad path of being proven wrong.

Don't forget the: :p.

[peterc]

The problem is pete, the "joke" was about you, not your mother.Let's leave this sort of stuff out of it, especially when it has no relevance to the thread.

Shakey, you seem to take sides straight away, if you bother to read the threads, you will notice that I am only giving back on what I am receiving, I will not tolerate abuse and name calling. End of.

[olly27]

Well, I suggest you read others who are supposed to be English and can't even construct or spell in their own language, at least I can speak and discuss in a foreign language.

Fair doos Pete...credit where credit is due. So what is your fisrt language then? However does not really account for your inexplicable thought processes!

[peterc]

Fair doos Pete...credit where credit is due. So what is your fisrt language then? However does not really account for your inexplicable thought processes!

Yea, yea Olly, whatever, not bothered what you think really.

[olly27]

Yea, yea Olly, whatever, not bothered what you think really.

Thats a relief.

[choda]

Prove to us that I called him what you said, I did say that he was overrated.

You called him useless for sure. And you've been irate about it at times, so I'm sure you have pulled no punches on the matter.

[shakey18]

Shakey, you seem to take sides straight away, if you bother to read the threads, you will notice that I am only giving back on what I am receiving, I will not tolerate abuse and name calling. End of.

Take sides straight away?.What the **** are you on about?.I remember the thread, i thought you took it the wrong way, and i'm telling you that.I mentioned it at the time.You are the one who has chosen to bring it up again.This "everyone is picking on me" shit is getting boring.

[peterc]

And with that note I now bid you all a pleasant evening.:p

[peterc]

Take sides straight away?.What the **** are you on about?.I remember the thread, i thought you took it the wrong way, and i'm telling you that.I mentioned it at the time.You are the one who has chosen to bring it up again.This "everyone is picking on me" shit is getting boring.

Whatever, have a nice evening.

[jrio]

Fair doos Pete...credit where credit is due. So what is your fisrt language then? However does not really account for your inexplicable thought processes!
I think it's Dutch, based on the feeling that his posts usually consist of double-Dutch.

[olly27]

Whatever, have a nice evening.

You really are unbelievable...now your rising above it all! This is hillarious...cant stop laughing...please never leave this forum Pete...pure entertainment.

[jrio]

And with that note I now bid you all a pleasant evening.:p
OK, lads, now the sensible discussion can start. :p

[choda]

OK, lads, now the sensible discussion can start. :p

Yes, on post 400!

[nuttyhotspurs]

No one is saying that we are happy with the present, however, Jol proved to us last season that he has managerial skills, we still ended up fifth, plus a good run in the Uefa, and in the cups.

ur clutching at straws with talk like that. we werent this bad at the start of last season. our defence was solid enough then, we were creating chances, we just couldnt put it in the back of the net.

anyhow the entire top half from last season has ALL improved apart from us. WHY HAVEN'T WE? newcastle puttin the foundations in place, same goes for villa, city have hit the ground running with a solid defence, same goes for blackburn and pompey. then youve got teams like everton and west ham on the fringes but have every chance to get better.

we are just no where to be seen. awful defence combined with no balance in the middle spells disaster for us. when oh when is jol going to start a match with bale and lennon out wide

[jrio]

when oh when is jol going to start a match with bale and lennon on either ****in wing
Not this year if the Standard's "Serious" Injury to Bale headline has any legitimacy.

[SurreySpur]

Not this year if the Standard's "Serious" Injury to Bale headline has any legitimacy.

The only real positive that we can take from the season so far and now he's injured.

Also i read that young Terry Dixon has another serious knee injury that will keep him out for a year or so.

Something is seriously wrong, maybe the claims that the players aren't worked hard enough in training are accurate. the players conditioning seems very poor.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Not this year if the Standard's "Serious" Injury to Bale headline has any legitimacy.

shit i have avoided the papers/news today. absolutely gutted if thats true. ****in typical

[Spur]

Since I posted around 30 pages have gone up, i've tried reading them but I got bored, can someone give me a short summary pretty please...

I know i'm lazy, but i'm ill, do your good deed for the day and help out an ill person.

[SurreySpur]

Since I posted around 30 pages have gone up, i've tried reading them but I got bored, can someone give me a short summary pretty please...

I know i'm lazy, but i'm ill, do your good deed for the day and help out an ill person.


Its not worth reading through as half of them were posts by Peterc!!

[shakey18]

Since I posted around 30 pages have gone up, i've tried reading them but I got bored, can someone give me a short summary pretty please...

I know i'm lazy, but i'm ill, do your good deed for the day and help out an ill person.




Its not worth reading through as half of them were posts by Peterc!!

..and i'm SURE you're gutted about not being in on that!

[nuttyhotspurs]

u aint missed anything. there was a lot of pettyness, moaning and accusations of name calling

[Spur]

OK thanks then chaps, I did read a few odd pages and it seemed he was in a different argument with someone new on every page! All in praise of the Mighty Jol and Jenas combination of course!

[Spur]

u aint missed anything. there was a lot of pettyness, moaning and accusations of name calling

How comes you don't post much anymore nut?

[jrio]

Since I posted around 30 pages have gone up, i've tried reading them but I got bored, can someone give me a short summary pretty please...

I know i'm lazy, but i'm ill, do your good deed for the day and help out an ill person.

GS blames the players for wanting to oust the manager and not trying. peterc still thinks Jol will turn it around and wants him to stay until Xmas, when he might revise his opinion. peterc has also proven many posters are wrong, simply by typing "you've been proven wrong". Everyone else has been busy eating their own livers(you need to have read Catch-22 to get the full impact of that).

[Spur]

So the normal crap really.

I can't see how people can say the players "aren't trying". If that were the case then the buck would lie with the management in the sense there would be a reason the players aren't trying anyway.

Highly doubt 20 odd players turned up at training one day and decided "not to try".

EDIT:

HOld on, you said peterc might change his opinion :eek: Shock horror, this is the the bloke who says no one is allowed to change opinions! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[jrio]

HOld on, you said peterc might change his opinion :eek: Shock horror, this is the the bloke who says no one is allowed to change opinions! :eek: :eek: :eek:
He'll "revise" his opinion - he won't change it. It will mean that he's decided the players are unwilling to play for Jol and thus a change of manager is justified.

Players usually do as they're told. Anyone studying the musical choices of players over the past 40 years can testify to that. Very few ideas enter their heads, and certainly none that are independent. Players like to be told what to do and they like firmness. Players hate change, which is why they always back the manager because it otherwise opens up the possibility of them losing their place in the team.

[Tony Adams]

Sums up spurs's season!!!

[shakey18]

Sums up spurs's season!!!

I'm not surprised you've come on here, i bet your arse forums are like the emershites. Completely devoid of any atmosphere-now toddle along little boy.

[Defoe8]

But we are a laughing stock, a poor excuse of a team.

Changes need to be made and the place to start is THE BOARD (also including Commolli and Cullen).

I want them to hurry up and sell us to Spurs legend Klinsmann, he'll get fully behind Martin and allow him to run the team in his way and not interfere like Levy does week in and week out. Then finally scrap that fvcking useless and club destroying position which is Director of Football, leave that shite in Europe.

[Spur]

Sums up spurs's season!!!

As far as jokes go that's poor.

[denis-cro]

Sums up spurs's season!!!

Well, you have a nice nickname...Are You retarded as he is ???

[peterc]

OK, lads, now the sensible discussion can start. :p

You must mean more negative psots can now continue un-interrupted.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=jrio;64384]He'll "revise" his opinion - he won't change it. It will mean that he's decided the players are unwilling to play for Jol and thus a change of manager is justified.

Jrio, stop twisting and changing words around, I said that if the situation does not change by Xmas, the matter should be looked into, didn't say that Jol should go, maybe a few players might need to go o nthe transfer lsit, we want players who are proud to play for the jersey they wear and not for the salary they earn playing well or not.

[shakey18]

You must mean more negative psots can now continue un-interrupted.

Negative, or realistic?

[Spur]

Negative, or realistic?

Realistic of course.

[shakey18]

Realistic of course.

Ahh, was just checking!

[peterc]

Ahh, was just checking!

Would sound realictic for some of you cos of the constant negative posts and you tend to post.

[shakey18]

Would sound realictic for some of you cos of the constant negative posts and you tend to post.

Are you pissed up?!

[nuttyhotspurs]

How comes you don't post much anymore nut?

don't really like posting that much when they are playing badly coz i usually say things i regret! they haven't exactly played well much this season so thats why i aint bin posting s lot :)

thankfully (i think) there is another game thursday night so they can have ANOTHER crack at getting things right. fingers crossed

[peterc]

Are you pissed up?!

Had a bottle of white wine to drown my sorrows, after seeing the Arse demolish Slavia Prague, hate to admit it but they are playing some good football.

[shakey18]

Had a bottle of white wine to drown my sorrows, after seeing the Arse demolish Slavia Prague, hate to admit it but they are playing some good football.

Yeah and don't the likes of Martin Samuel LOVE it.I REALLY hope utd **** them up soon, and even after winning 7-0 , the emershites had NO atmosphere.Scummers, one and all.

[TURKISH]

don't really like posting that much when they are playing badly coz i usually say things i regret! they haven't exactly played well much this season so thats why i aint bin posting s lot :)

thankfully (i think) there is another game thursday night so they can have ANOTHER crack at getting things right. fingers crossed

The thing is with spurs is they win in europe and jol will come out with some stupid stats which says he havent lost in so and so games, but come sat we will lose in the league again.

We need to go back to basics but i dont think the players are willing to give 100%. There's no leader at the back or in the centre of midfield, the players just don't look like they know what there doing.

I can see us winning thursday but concede but then lose on sat.

Im just getting ****ed off with the players attitude, you can tell by watching them that they don't want to be there. :mad:

[peterc]

Yeah and don't the likes of Martin Samuel LOVE it.I REALLY hope utd **** them up soon, and even after winning 7-0 , the emershites had NO atmosphere.Scummers, one and all.

Well, they sure need to be stopped or we will all be in for a very sad end to the season. Atmosphere, what atmosphere?, you can hardly hear them ******s sing and cheer their wanking red team.

[peterc]

The thing is with spurs is they win in europe and jol will come out with some stupid stats which says he havent lost in so and so games, but come sat we will lose in the league again.

We need to go back to basics but i dont think the players are willing to give 100%. There's no leader at the back or in the centre of midfield, the players just don't look like they know what there doing.

I can see us winning thursday but concede but then lose on sat.

Im just getting ****ed off with the players attitude, you can tell by watching them that they don't want to be there. :mad:

Turkish, If I was Jol, I would seriously think of putting most of the reserves players in the first team for a while, we can't get any worse. Afterall they won again this evening beating the Pomeys 3-1.

[TURKISH]

Turkish, If I was Jol, I would seriously think of putting most of the reserves players in the first team for a while, we can't get any worse. Afterall they won again this evening beating the Pomeys 3-1.

Yer well i think we are better off with our under 18 there beating the top teams like 5.2. I don't know pete mate i look at our players and i think how many would give blood, sweat and tears for the shirt and i cant name many!

[shakey18]

Turkish, If I was Jol, I would seriously think of putting most of the reserves players in the first team for a while, we can't get any worse. Afterall they won again this evening beating the Pomeys 3-1.

Good to see Rose in the ressies and weighing in with an assist.

[TURKISH]

Good to see Rose in the ressies and weighing in with an assist.

Yer im hearing we have a load of good young players but im really hoping rose makes an impact because his english and has a left foot!

[Spur]

Should be only a matter of time until Rose and Adel actually play a game for the 1st team. I would be starting them at the moment with the current shiteness.

And where has Routledge gone? No width on the pitch and people wonder why? Play 4 Central Midfielders all of which are crap evidently and we're going to lose.

[peterc]

I reckon it might be the right time to introduce some reserve players to the first team and make some "overpaid prima donnas" work their guts out to regain their place.

[jrio]

Looks like Bale has a bruised foot and will be out for 3 weeks, so Mal will probably be back on that side. Against Blackburn I feel we're going to be ground down by a more resolute and organised side.

[jrio]

And where has Routledge gone? No width on the pitch and people wonder why? Play 4 Central Midfielders all of which are crap evidently and we're going to lose.

Knee injury, which wasn't greatly publicised. Looks to be out for another 2 or 3 months.

[shakey18]

Routledge played in the last reserve fixture on Tuesday, and lasted all game.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/youngsterssilencepompeychime.html

[jrio]

Curious - Daily Mail and PhysioRoom claim he has a knee injury. :confused:

[Spur]

Knee injury, which wasn't greatly publicised. Looks to be out for another 2 or 3 months.

Well I hope he plays on it for a while then because he was meant to have had a decent game for the reserves last night like Shakey said!

Not a great player IMO, but we lack width so need a wide man. If your going to start Lennon on bench then next best thing is Wayne-o. Last appearance we won 4-0 I believe.

[choda]

What I don't get about this is that we are constantly talking about basic shit, like having real wingers etc. I wish we could talk about the more intricate stuff, but all our time seems to be wrapped up in stuff that it totally ****ing obvious, like Robbo needs to be dropped, push out, drop Jenas and have some god damn width. It's not ****ing rocket science, is it? But yet Jol seems to be constantly defying all basic football logic and not only that is getting paid 500,000 smackaroos per year to do so. Football really constantly confounds me.

[jrio]

Not a great player IMO, but we lack width so need a wide man. If your going to start Lennon on bench then next best thing is Wayne-o. Last appearance we won 4-0 I believe.
Against Derby at home and he didn't make a major contribution to that win. Other Derby away results: Liverpool 6 Derby 0; Arsenal 5 Derby 0

[jrio]

But yet Jol seems to be constantly defying all basic football logic and not only that is getting paid 500,000 smackaroos per year to do so. Football really constantly confounds me.
??? He's on about 2m a year.

[choda]

Against Derby at home and he didn't make a major contribution to that win. Other Derby away results: Liverpool 6 Derby 0; Arsenal 5 Derby 0


Still it's better to have a decent geniune winger than a central midfielder coming inside and not givng you any dimensions or pace to your play.

[choda]

??? He's on about 2m a year.

Mother of God.

[Spur]

Against Derby at home and he didn't make a major contribution to that win. Other Derby away results: Liverpool 6 Derby 0; Arsenal 5 Derby 0

Like I said I don't rate him.

But he had a shot from 30 yards and hit the bar last night. Can you imagine one of the first team having a shot and getting it anywhere near the target!?

[jrio]

Mother of God.
Now you know why's he determined to stick it out and won't "walk away from the club"!

[Spur]

Now you know why's he determined to stick it out and won't "walk away from the club"!

Yeah all that compo...errr...ahem...I mean loyalty...

[jrio]

Oh, he's very loyal! He's got an awful lot of loyalty to give. Still, if you'd had such a fractious relationship with the board, would you give them the easy way out?

Liverpool still one nil down and facing being bottom of their group. Anyone fancy Rafa the Rotator? Proven winner at the highest level and you'd get the excitment of seeing a different team every week!

[Spur]

Oh, he's very loyal! He's got an awful lot of loyalty to give. Still, if you'd had such a fractious relationship with the board, would you give them the easy way out?

Liverpool still one nil down and facing being bottom of their group. Anyone fancy Rafa the Rotator? Proven winner at the highest level and you'd get the excitment of seeing a different team every week!

No, I don't blame him at all, i'd do exactly the same thing.

[Spur]

Loss.

But no sacking afterward. There is no-one to replace Jol, he'll be here at Christmas.

:o :o :o :o

[choda]

:o :o :o :o

You made up for it by posting that ITK.

[Keanoldinho]

I'm brick'n it about this game we always play crap against the barcodes and fat sam always tactically outsmarts Jol so I could see this game being the straw that breaks the camels back and Jol getting the boot afterwards.
Anyway I hope I'm wrong so 3-1 us with Berby sticking in 2 and Keano bagging another.


I was right wasn't I ah well at least we got Ramos into the hot seat lets see if he's as good as all the hype I sure as feck hope he is.

I'm behind him 100% and have a real good feeling about this appointment I just hope the rest of the Tottenham fans will get behind him too and give him time to get these pussies we got on our team winning.

[TURKISH]

I was right wasn't I ah well at least we got Ramos into the hot seat lets see if he's as good as all the hype I sure as feck hope he is.

I'm behind him 100% and have a real good feeling about this appointment I just hope the rest of the Tottenham fans will get behind him too and give him time to get these pussies we got on our team winning.

I just think our whole backroom staff was needing a desperate shake up. The players will need to get there finger out there arse because Ramos will not give a **** who you are if you play shit your DROPPED!:cool: