Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Aston Villa

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Gino Ginelli]

WAHEY! We're gonna get beat...

Poo.:(

[peterc]

Dream on Gino, 3-0 victory. COYS

[\jackdaw]

With our wayward defending, poor set peice record, strikers missing so many chances things dont look good for us.

But if the strikers manage to hit the net then we should win but Villa are a stronger force this year so will be a hard game.

Going for a 1-1 draw

[Defoe8]

Unfortunately I can see Jol playing the 2 muppets Jenas and Malbranque, plus keeping Defoe on the bench till like the 85th mins.

So I think we'll draw 1-1

[jrio]

Jenas will be playing - he was only taken off against Boro because of a stomach muscle strain. Mal is less likely as I'd expect Bale and Lennon to start on the wings.

[DiamondGeezer]

taking my 13 year old bro for the first time this season so hopefully we will win and its going to be an event so hopefully the players might try a bit extra hard for us.

going for 2-0 spurs!

[singapore spur]

our strikers got to turn it on soon ,3-2 spurs

[choda]

I think we might win this one. We are better at home and Villa are no great shakes.

3-1 to the yids. Keane gets two and Berba one.

[shakey18]

2-1 win.Keane and Bale.Clean sheet?-don't be silly, we don't do them!.

[berbzy 'G']

If we win, Spurs will be 16th... then we can panic, argue, or dream on from there...

But bearing in mind we've got scousers after villa ( I think) at Anfield... I'll alredy predict the score line before the Liverpool thread is even posted... 5 1

Spurs to win 3 0 on Monday... or 3 1...

[spursmadnick06]

If we win by two goals we will be 12th, panic over :D

[TURKISH]

I will be going for a 3:2 to the spurs ( dont klnow why :eek: )

goal scorers lennon, berbs 2. And villa's laursen and young.

[spursmadnick06]

For those not going or without setanta ....

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/mon1.10/Tottenham_Villa.html

[Gino Ginelli]

For those not going or without setanta ....

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/mon1.10/Tottenham_Villa.html

Woah, what? It's not on Sky?!

[Gino Ginelli]

FFS! I just checked! What the hell is it doing on the ****ing Santana channel?! Aah, my evenings just been shat on! ARRGH!! :mad:

[jrio]

Blimey, GG, you been hibernating whilst the new tv contracts were being optioned? You haven't seen or heard any of those adverts featuring Des Lynam? Saturday and Monday evening KOs are Setanta.

[MarlowSpurs]

**** I assumed it was on Sky, ****ing sultana's

[SurreySpur]

Im going for a big win tonight.

4-1 Spurs with Berba, Keano, JJ and Bale all scoring.

[jrio]

On what basis? Last time I would have been so dismissive of a forecast was KK's "Dawson and Lennon to score but we still won't win" about Chelsea last season. 2 all draw for me. No way Villa will leak 4 goals. Quite happy to be wrong about that.

[WelshSpur82]

Hoping we click tonight, got a good feeling so 3-0 spurs, Berb with 2 and Bent hopefully.

[SurreySpur]

:p On what basis? Last time I would have been so dismissive of a forecast was KK's "Dawson and Lennon to score but we still won't win" about Chelsea last season. 2 all draw for me. No way Villa will leak 4 goals. Quite happy to be wrong about that.

I was originally going to go for a 3-1 win but i'm feeling very optimistic for some reason, hopefully they'll get a buzz from the atmosphere and we'll push on and take villa apart, either that or the atmosphere and occassion will intimidate them and they will crumble.

Ah i'm still going for a big spurs win, i think the stag night booze is still in my system from this weekend!! :p

[SurreySpur]

Great 125 years of Spurs Youtube Vid here fella's


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Haq2YNUgog4&mode=related&search=


enjoy

[shakey18]

No JJ tonight then...

Paul Robinson
Pascal Chimbonda
Gareth Bale
Michael Dawson
Younes Kaboul
Teemu Tainio
Didier Zokora
Tom Huddlestone
Aaron Lennon
Dimitar Berbatov
Robbie Keane
Substitutes
Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe, Steed Malbranque, Ricardo Rocha, Radek Cerny,

[denis-cro]

No JJ tonight then...

Paul Robinson
Pascal Chimbonda
Gareth Bale
Michael Dawson
Younes Kaboul
Teemu Tainio
Didier Zokora
Tom Huddlestone
Aaron Lennon
Dimitar Berbatov
Robbie Keane
Substitutes
Darren Bent, Jermain Defoe, Steed Malbranque, Ricardo Rocha, Radek Cerny,

Tainio as a winger ?? :( Again....

[Apples]

Woah, what? It's not on Sky?!

Not working how come?

[SurreySpur]

Thats going to do Berba a lot of good.

Get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shakey18]

GGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIII INNNNNNNNNNNNNNBerbs!!!

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell Robbo you ****!!


Thats a ****ing Shocker

[\jackdaw]

Get in there Berby .. the first and no way the last of the goals he will get at the Lane this year.

[shakey18]

****s sake-Typical

[\jackdaw]

That was a really bad mistake .. got to be one of his worse ...

[bocayid]

ffs Robbo.....we get in front then he ****s up...Jol can't influence him dropping the ****ing ball...and also we top the charts for conceding goals from shots outside the box....good shot stopper,but he must affect confidence?

coys

[SurreySpur]

I wonder if Pat Jennings has got his boots on him?

[shakey18]

I wonder if Pat Jennings has got his boots on him?

or if barry daines is in the crowd.....

[\jackdaw]

Remember meeting Pat Jennings once .. he has the biggest hands in the world ....

[spursmadnick06]

anyone else having problems with their sentanta channel? its the one channel the won't work for me!! typical!

[SurreySpur]

Oh my ****ing God

This ****ing defending is a joke.

[denis-cro]

Sack Jol immediately FFs !!!! SACK the ****ing bastard !!!!!!!!!!!!! SACK JOLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bocayid]

go on robbo...ffs,the outfield lot are looking top 4,two mistakes...we have to win this...

[bocayid]

sack jol...yeah we r playin well and robbo makes two mistakes,i guess thats Jols fault....but we r playing really well....i guess thats jols fault to...

maybe the goals are robbos fault?,,radical thinking from me,but hey...maybe we should drop him...?

[MACCSPURS]

LOL Robbo!!!!

WTF!!!

[\jackdaw]

FFS 2-1 down and to be honest I dont think we deserve to be .. Robbo should of got that one as well.

Laurson is having the game of his life .. stopping everything at the back for villa and scoring...

[MACCSPURS]

Maybe Robbo misunderstood what the 125 years means.....

Perhaps he thought it meant after Spurs score 1, let Villa score 25.

[MACCSPURS]

HaHaHAHAHAHA 3-1

OMFG!!!!

Wtf is going on :confused:

It's not even half-time yet...

[SurreySpur]

125years of Spurs tonight

It wouldn't be right if we cruised it and got a 2-0 victory would it lads.....Its only fitting that we do it the hard way!!

[bocayid]

ok..im now in the sack the lot of em camp......****ing discrace...let their heads drop..villa full of confidence....mind u some championship grounds r nice to visit....

[SurreySpur]

I take back my last post.

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[denis-cro]

sack jol...yeah we r playin well and robbo makes two mistakes,i guess thats Jols fault....but we r playing really well....i guess thats jols fault to...

maybe the goals are robbos fault?,,radical thinking from me,but hey...maybe we should drop him...?

Jol should have dropped Robbo few matches ago, so It´s Jol´s fault . Who is picking the team ???? Manager or someone else maybe ??? Have we a substitute keeper ??? YES !!!! So, How many mistakes must Robbo make so ****ING FAT DUTCH BASTARD can realize that he is in a bad form !!!!!!
SACK ****ING PRICK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shakey18]

I think heads will roll after this shite...

[\jackdaw]

I'm lost for words ...

[\jackdaw]

4-3 anyone? .. **** I am trying to be optimistic but deep down its not really happening ..

[MACCSPURS]

I think heads will roll after this shite...

I agree, this cannot carry on it's effecting the manager, the players and the fans.

This is supposed to be our 125 years celebration match and now it will be remembered for this crap.

Anyway, look on the bright side, at least we are consistent :p

[choda]

ffs Robbo.....we get in front then he ****s up...Jol can't influence him dropping the ****ing ball...and also we top the charts for conceding goals from shots outside the box....good shot stopper,but he must affect confidence?

coys

He can actually. He could drop him like he should have 6 months ago. Then he'd be back on form or gone by now.

[\jackdaw]

Not sure heads will roll after this match, but with the next match away at Anfield where to be honest our record is abysmal I think that will be the final straw.

Especially if we keep making such stupid mistakes at the back. Liverpool next week are going to run wild.. 8(

[nuttyhotspurs]

our defense is an absolute disgrace, i am at this point ashamed to be a spurs fan. i have never known it to be this bad, i mean in the past we've played shite but i never expected anything, i live in crewe and i am 100% sure at this point that their defence is better than what we have now. don't get me wrong chimbo and bale can get forward but the defence as a whole right now must be up there with the worst in the country nevermind the prem.

i dont think ive ever been more pissed off with them

ive defended robinson for far too long, for the love of god get the guy out now! and i mean now. get cerny in 2nd half. the defence isn't going to get better when they have no confidence in the guy between the sticks

[peterc]

sack jol...yeah we r playin well and robbo makes two mistakes,i guess thats Jols fault....but we r playing really well....i guess thats jols fault to...

maybe the goals are robbos fault?,,radical thinking from me,but hey...maybe we should drop him...?

Not worth answering to certain posts mate, why lower yourself?

[SurreySpur]

Is chimbonda pissing anyone else off recently? ****ing sloppy off late....

[coys]

****ing tottenham!!! 8(

[SurreySpur]

our defense is an absolute disgrace, i am at this point ashamed to be a spurs fan. i have never known it to be this bad,

Ah i remember it worse nutty.

We desperatley miss King at the moment, Dawson needs to stand up and be counted and take control because nobody else is.

[proto]

ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :mad:

thats all i gotta say at this point

[choda]

sack jol...yeah we r playin well and robbo makes two mistakes,i guess thats Jols fault....but we r playing really well....i guess thats jols fault to...

maybe the goals are robbos fault?,,radical thinking from me,but hey...maybe we should drop him...?

WTF are you watching? The organisation is a joke and the keeper should have been dropped months ago.

[RuFuS]

mmmm...... "we're not in Kansas now toto" :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Gino Ginelli]

What the HELL is going on????!!!!!!

I check the half time score and we're 3-1 down???!!! And Robbo's to blame??!!

For god's sake what do we need to do??? If this is a 5-1 drubbing I'm coming to London tomorrow, putting Jol,Kemsley,Commolli in a sack and chucking them off the white cliffs of Dover.

****s sake

[SurreySpur]

What the HELL is going on????!!!!!!

I check the half time score and we're 3-1 down???!!! And Robbo's to blame??!!

For god's sake what do we need to do??? If this is a 5-1 drubbing I'm coming to London tomorrow, putting Jol,Kemsley,Commolli in a sack and chucking them off the white cliffs of Dover.

****s sake

Two of those lads are fat ****ers......i'll give you a hand lift em

[RuFuS]

What the HELL is going on????!!!!!!

I check the half time score and we're 3-1 down???!!! And Robbo's to blame??!!

For god's sake what do we need to do??? If this is a 5-1 drubbing I'm coming to London tomorrow, putting Jol,Kemsley,Commolli in a sack and chucking them off the white cliffs of Dover.

****s sake

The river Lea's alot nearer :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[nuttyhotspurs]

I wonder if Pat Jennings has got his boots on him?

or anyone else in the crowd???

[coys]

What the HELL is going on????!!!!!!

I check the half time score and we're 3-1 down???!!! And Robbo's to blame??!!

For god's sake what do we need to do??? If this is a 5-1 drubbing I'm coming to London tomorrow, putting Jol,Kemsley,Commolli in a sack and chucking them off the white cliffs of Dover.

****s sake


Im ****in wit u mate im just so sick and tired of this shit aaarrrgggghhhhh :Robinson himbonda Zokora Keane r all playing absolute and utter shite and if mister jol does'nt stop playing the favourites game were in for more of this crap :mad: :mad: :mad:

rite thats my rant over (for now):mad:

[choda]

I wouldn't blame Levy and Kemsley. After all they had the right idea trying to sack him over a month ago. It was obvious right from the start of this season that he hadn't learned from his mistakes.

[SurreySpur]

If the team cant get motivated and prepared for a game like this then what hope have we got?

We're a joke!!

[proto]

come on, goals goals goals now now now

[shakey18]

If the team cant get motivated and prepared for a game like this then what hope have we got?

...which is why i think if we lose this game heads will roll.It's our 125th anniversary game, in honour of SIR BILL NICHOLSON for ****s sake.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Ah i remember it worse nutty.

i know that dude but as i said after that. its been bad in the past but i never expected any better

[SurreySpur]

How the **** was that a handball?

[corkspur]

This is ****ing shocking!!! We are going to be fighting against relegation if this keeps going!Get Jol out now for **** sake and take Robbo with him!! Im fed up of this shit!

[nuttyhotspurs]

If the team cant get motivated and prepared for a game like this then what hope have we got?

We're a joke!!

i know. ****in hell its scary init

[proto]

robbo saved a long one :eek:

[SurreySpur]

Here comes JD get tainio off and lets go for it

[denis-cro]

I´m watching the game and I can not believe what I am seeing. Villans have 3-1 lead and Martin O´Neill is near the dugout furious with his playerS. Continuously weaving with his arms trying to motivate his lads, and what about Jol. Staying near the dugout with crossed arms very peaceful....No emotions, no reactions....:o
****ING USELESS !!!!!!!!!:mad:

[MACCSPURS]

It could be worse, it could be 4-1

ah **** it....

it is 4-1 :(

on a serious note.....

it's over, it simply cannot carry on like this any longer. This is why I never get excited over winning in the UEFA and Carling cup games. They are shit teams we are playing and it is meaniless.

You measure your standing by the league.

[corkspur]

4-1!!! useless ****s! Jol has to go now.

[SurreySpur]

This is embaressing

i dont know what to say

[nuttyhotspurs]

robbo saved a long one :eek:

then let in another. so is that 3 goals that he should of saved??

[coys]

We Want 5! We Want 5! We Want 5!

****ing Joke

[nuttyhotspurs]

This is embaressing

i dont know what to say

i do

****IN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WelshSpur82]

I have said it before, and i will say it again, We have the leagues worst keeper!

[shakey18]

Pathetic.Changes are needed, and they need to be made after the game.

[proto]

its almost like he dived one way... yet traveled the other way :confused:

[bocayid]

omfg...omfg....shitty death...i realy cant believe it..we started so brightly.

it was in our hands we started well,it was in our hands...until the two robbo mistakes...then we have fallen apart.

speaking to spurs fans earlier when i had a swift half in the bell and hare...they were pro jol and anti board for putting pressure on him...either way the big man is gonna go..whatever the rights and wrongs his position is unworkable...levy came out today and admitted there was some truth in the stories...jol was a dead man walking since the everton result...no one at spurs deserves any credit for the last few weeks....

I am really down about this...

[SurreySpur]

Martin Jol needs to go........whether he resigns or is sacked, i dont give a shit.

If he has any ****ing pride he'll resign regardless of compensation.

[jrio]

Down to 19th on GD. Amazing. Anyone heard from peterc recently?

[bocayid]

problem is a new manager..will want his own players,staff..etc...so we start again...drifting.

we need a very positive decision from the board....we r now 19th on goal difference

[SurreySpur]

We're 4-1 down at home and were still playing 4-4-2

Lets go for it and put all 4 forwards on and go for it

[coys]

yay we scored 8)

[RuFuS]

Down to 19th on GD.

R we back up 2 18th ? :rolleyes:

[jrio]

Bent for....? Berb? Yes.

Yes, back up to 18th on goals scored.

[shakey18]

problem is a new manager..will want his own players,staff..etc...so we start again...drifting.

we need a very positive decision from the board....we r now 19th on goal difference

We need someone in to sort out this defensive shambles, and it's never too early to start.I like Jol, but its time to go, and he has to take his number 2 with him.

[peterc]

Down to 19th on GD. Amazing. Anyone heard from peterc recently?

Amazing what professional players can do?, **** it up, Jol ain't on the pitch, he has provided a decent team today, but the players arethe ones that are not providing the goods. End of.

[SurreySpur]

Darren Bent can really make himself a hero tonight

[nuttyhotspurs]

Amazing what professional players can do?, **** it up, Jol ain't on the pitch, he has provided a decent team today, but the players arethe ones that are not providing the goods. End of.

apart from robbo.do you not believe he should of been dropped before tonight? he has cost us again. End of.

[RuFuS]

Yes, back up to 18th on goals scored.

That's a relief i was starting to worry :eek:

[peterc]

He did play well against M'Boro, so maybe not.

[jrio]

Amazing what professional players can do?, **** it up, Jol ain't on the pitch, he has provided a decent team today, but the players arethe ones that are not providing the goods. End of.
What do you think a coach does - just select the team, then the players let him down or justify his choices? Same old ****-ups from Robbo, same old concessions from dead-balls and again taking an early lead and losing it. Have a look at Chelsea since Mourinho was denied the funds to buy his own players and results since he left. They weren't doing that well but the core belief has gone.

[denis-cro]

Amazing what professional players can do?, **** it up, Jol ain't on the pitch, he has provided a decent team today, but the players arethe ones that are not providing the goods. End of.

BUT IF PLAYERS ARE CONTINUOUSLY MAKING SAME MISTAKES THAN THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED, AND THAT IS HIS JOB, AND HE FAILED !

[jrio]

Penalty!!!! Surely Defoe, no it's Keane.

[coys]

we can do this COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3-4

[peterc]

What do you think a coach does - just select the team, then the players let him down or justify his choices? Same old ****-ups from Robbo, same old concessions from dead-balls and again taking an early lead and losing it. Have a look at Chelsea since Mourinho was denied the funds to buy his own players and results since he left. They weren't doing that well but the core belief has gone.

Oh dear penalty, I hope you are made to swallow you words. 4-3 Jrio, start praying. :p

[shakey18]

C'Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!

[peterc]

BUT IF PLAYERS ARE CONTINUOUSLY MAKING SAME MISTAKES THAN THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED, AND THAT IS HIS JOB, AND HE FAILED !

Yeah, yEAH, Blame Jol and once the new manager arrives( some hopes) with his magic wand, then we will start winning games. LOL

[jrio]

Oh dear penalty, I hope you are made to swallow you words. 4-3 Jrio, start praying. :p

If you think being 4-1 down at home after 58 minutes, having taken the lead, and then pulling back for a draw, so staying 18th in the league, equals having to eat your words, then I fear that you have even less of an idea about football than I thought you had. And I thought you had a miniscule amount to start with.

[jrio]

Expect we'll get mjb's thoughts tomorrow and he'll be blaming the strikers again since they only scored 2 goals, and one was a penalty.

[bocayid]

cant believe this wat a game...when we scored 4th i got so xcited a little bit of poo came out..

[RuFuS]

I loved Martin Jol :) but i cant carry on like this my heart cant take it

[shakey18]

Kaboul!!! GEDINN!!

[peterc]

Jrio, speak now ,to come back from three goals, there must be something right, JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

[shakey18]

To be honest-that is a 125th Anniversary Spurs game.4-4 with an injury time equalizer.

[nuttyhotspurs]

LOL! great comeback but if only we had a defence. what a sad state of affairs eh lads??

well done for coming back though. fantastic.

i read in the paper that spurs were the most stressful team to support and by god i knew it before this game but that just goes to prove it! i nearly had a heart attack wen the 4th went in :d

[jrio]

The spirit of David Pleat lives on in reverse. Seems as though Harewood was a complete disaster for Villa. We played worse in the second half yet won it 3-1. Expect we'd been watching the Pompey/Reading game over and over at the weekend.

[MACCSPURS]

We still didn't ****ing win and we let in another 4 goals!

Sorry, but all we did was stop a few more people laughing at us. Why the **** are we chasing games just to get a draw.

There is a bigger problem at Spurs, blame the board, blame the players, blame Jol but either way until this is fixed this will continue from one game to the next.

[bocayid]

defoe must start....hes a natural striker..playing off berbys shoulder..he was sharp.....

[peterc]

If you lot saw what it meant to all the players and how they showed their respect to BMJ, you will start to think twice before accusing Jol of wrong tactics, etc, etc, etc. JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

[bocayid]

maccspurs mate i agree we all do..but thats spurs has been for 30 years mate...

[choda]

Jrio, speak now ,to come back from three goals, there must be something right, JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

Lol, speak now. What's changed? It was a shocking performance from a team with a lot of talent, but piss poor organisation.

Jol has to go.

[jrio]

Jrio, speak now ,to come back from three goals, there must be something right, JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

Sure, you think that's something to be celebrated. Bear in mind we took the lead and were playing like a top 4 side. Basic defensive errors, repeated again and again in nearly every game this season, a keeper who is a complete liability from dead-balls and distance(contrast that with Carson) and a club that is still 18th in the league with away games against Liverpool and Newcastle(3 successive games conceding 3 against them) to come. Oh and then Blackburn at home so I'd recommend keeping the same shirts to confuse them.

[peterc]

Lol, speak now. What's changed? It was a shocking performance from a team with a lot of talent, but piss poor organisation.

Jol has to go.

And bring in the manager with the magic wand???:D

[bocayid]

at the end everyone got together though all jumped on jol and embraced him..so spirit must be fairly ok..or they could hav given it up..and used jols departure as a cover...****..i dunno...shut villa lot up shouting happy birthday tho

[RuFuS]

If you lot saw what it meant to all the players and how they showed their respect to BMJ,

What about self respect ? £30k a week, It's park footy.
Rafa's gonna be rubbing his hands and getting out an abacus

[denis-cro]

Jrio, speak now ,to come back from three goals, there must be something right, JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

So you think this is a great achievement??? We´ re not progressing mate. We let Villans to score 4 goals at WHL. They didn´t score any goal on their away games this year. So I can not accept 4-4 as a good result. All credits to players for not stopping to believe that they can salvage something from embarrassed 4-1 after 50 minutes, but to be honest, we´re not progressing, and this is the main problem. :(

[bocayid]

first half we played well...robbo made two terrible mistakes..our heads dropped...but we played worse second half and got back in it...footy is not an exact science,,,thank **** for that....

[MACCSPURS]

maccspurs mate i agree we all do..but thats spurs has been for 30 years mate...

Yep, sure has but after 30 years it would be nice to have some change for the positive. For me, I blame the board for our current situation. They have created the current problems we have and although Jol has make mistakes, overall it has been better for the past 2 seasons than it has for years.

[jrio]

To be honest-that is a 125th Anniversary Spurs game.4-4 with an injury time equalizer.
Well, in the sense that we'd be even more outraged to have been 4-1 up after an hour and then draw 4-4. That would have been more Jol's style. Knowing it was our 125th year, perhaps he's secretly planned it as a tribute to Ardiles' tenure in charge.

[peterc]

Sure, you think that's something to be celebrated. Bear in mind we took the lead and were playing like a top 4 side. Basic defensive errors, repeated again and again in nearly every game this season, a keeper who is a complete liability from dead-balls and distance(contrast that with Carson) and a club that is still 18th in the league with away games against Liverpool and Newcastle(3 successive games conceding 3 against them) to come. Oh and then Blackburn at home so I'd recommend keeping the same shirts to confuse them.

Jrio, you can go on and on with your anti Jol posts, but remember there is still a few more games to go until the end of the season. The one who laughs last will laugh longest/best etc, etc. :D

[jrio]

And bring in the manager with the magic wand???:D
****, at this stage I'd bring in Harry Potter with his magic wand. And I do mean the actor, Daniel Radcliffe, with his movie prop.

[choda]

And bring in the manager with the magic wand???:D

No, just one that can do basic organsiation and tactics. Then hopefully get a top class one.

[spursmadnick06]

Defoe must start in every game, he makes things happen.

[RuFuS]

No, just one that can do basic organsiation and tactics.

We need a magican who can raise the dead ;)

[peterc]

What about self respect ? £30k a week, It's park footy.
Rafa's gonna be rubbing his hands and getting out an abacus

Well, it was a great comeback for a team that according to the anti jols, he cannot manage, wonder where their sudden stamina came from, Daniel Levy or was it Paul Fatso Kelmsey??

[RuFuS]

****, at this stage I'd bring in Harry Potter with his magic wand.

Come on JK, one more book. Harry Potter and the Poisoned Chalice

[nuttyhotspurs]

If you lot saw what it meant to all the players and how they showed their respect to BMJ, you will start to think twice before accusing Jol of wrong tactics, etc, etc, etc. JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

sorry but u are delusional mate.

[peterc]

No, just one that can do basic organsiation and tactics. Then hopefully get a top class one.

Do you seriously think that such a manager would like to manage Spurs, knowing that Comoli and the board have the final say?

[jrio]

Jrio, you can go on and on with your anti Jol posts, but remember there is still a few more games to go until the end of the season. The one who laughs last will laugh longest/best etc, etc. :D
With our next 3 as itemised in the league, you can take it that it could be over much sooner than that. You might think myself and others are anti-Jol, but in fact we are pro-Spurs. I've given a lot of support to him, and I acknowledge Levy and co have been disgraceful, but it's clear that the club is in a footballing crisis on a par with when Ardiles started playing 5 up front. You're foolish to keep mouthing these platitudes, as though staying loyal to Jol is going to change things. There was some writing on the wall last season. Now there's a full length novel.

[irishspur]

In jol i trust. (oh and kaboul too)
:D

[RuFuS]

Well, it was a great comeback for a team that according to the anti jols, he cannot manage, wonder where their sudden stamina came from, Daniel Levy or was it Paul Fatso Kelmsey??


No it was having to play in front of proper players who used to win us things for £30 a week not £30K a week.

[peterc]

****, at this stage I'd bring in Harry Potter with his magic wand. And I do mean the actor, Daniel Radcliffe, with his movie prop.
AND JOLS ARMY GO MARCHING ON, LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT COS JOL AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.:cool:

[jrio]

Come on JK, one more book. Harry Potter and the Poisoned Chalice
I would be thinking more of Harry Potter and the Miraculous Resurrection of Spurs. :D

[JuicE]

What a ****ing joke this is turning into! Were at home and everyone thinks that they can stuff us. :mad:

[peterc]

With our next 3 as itemised in the league, you can take it that it could be over much sooner than that. You might think myself and others are anti-Jol, but in fact we are pro-Spurs. I've given a lot of support to him, and I acknowledge Levy and co have been disgraceful, but it's clear that the club is in a footballing crisis on a par with when Ardiles started playing 5 up front. You're foolish to keep mouthing these platitudes, as though staying loyal to Jol is going to change things. There was some writing on the wall last season. Now there's a full length novel.

Time will tell, Professor Jrio, time will tell.:D

[JuicE]

Time will tell, Professor Jrio, time will tell.:D

Same old lines peterc! Same old lines. You happy with a point are you?

[RuFuS]

I was thinking more of Potter from please sir......
" i was a desert rat you know "

[irishspur]

AND JOLS ARMY GO MARCHING ON, LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT COS JOL AIN'T GOING NOWHERE.:cool:

HEAR HEAR:cool:

[jrio]

Except for Derby they can. Remember Jol's first full game in charge? 4-5 to Arsenal at home. Not much changed, huh? Though Defoe used to get a start then.

[peterc]

No it was having to play in front of proper players who used to win us things for £30 a week not £30K a week.

We all have to adapt with times.

[RuFuS]

We all have to adapt with times.

Adept is the word your looking for :rolleyes:

[nuttyhotspurs]

AND JOLS ARMY GO MARCHING ON

make that severely dilusional

[choda]

Do you seriously think that such a manager would like to manage Spurs, knowing that Comoli and the board have the final say?

If you remove your cock from Jol's ass it might be worth having a converstion with you.

As for that particular piece of speculation, that's what it is. The hacks have been writing just about everything about us. You have to weigh the things up and see yourself what is most likely. And based on the evidence we have on that issue I doubt Jol had any big money players forced on him.

[Indianspur]

three changes is all we need for the next game, defoe upfront, keane on the left if jol loves him so much(prefer taraabt tho or bale) . the big one of all is robo out for cerny.cerny has not done anything wrong so far and robo does it week in week out now.
if jol is brave enough to drop some players then i let him stay, if he wants the same old shit then he can leave before we get relegated

[choda]

With our next 3 as itemised in the league, you can take it that it could be over much sooner than that. You might think myself and others are anti-Jol, but in fact we are pro-Spurs. I've given a lot of support to him, and I acknowledge Levy and co have been disgraceful, but it's clear that the club is in a footballing crisis on a par with when Ardiles started playing 5 up front. You're foolish to keep mouthing these platitudes, as though staying loyal to Jol is going to change things. There was some writing on the wall last season. Now there's a full length novel.

I believe I've written it. Lol.

[peterc]

Same old lines peterc! Same old lines. You happy with a point are you?

What I am happy about is the determination the players showed to come back from three goals down and the way they showed their respect to their manager and the patient fans who have supported Jol throughout.

[SurreySpur]

I think i'll have to chin Tim Sherwood if i ever meet him!! What a ****!!

[jrio]

AND JOLS ARMY GO MARCHING ON,

Into the Championship. Looked at the table lately? Today was when King was meant to be back. As said before, despite club denials, unlikely he'll play before Christmas. What I really object to now is Jol's relentless self-promotion, claiming that Maureen couldn't have achieved more at the club, and still harking on about the 2 top 5 finishes. I've heard him going on about this for the past 2 weeks, as though he'd actually won 2 major trophies in the past 2 years.

[RuFuS]

What I am happy about is the determination the players showed to come back from three goals down and the way they showed their respect to their manager and the patient fans who have supported Jol throughout.

Next you'll be telling us that we should gratefull for such an entertainment
He's manager of a football team not a circus. However i do see a connection. Robbo the juggler and the rest as clowns.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=choda;62073]If you remove your cock from Jol's ass it might be worth having a converstion with you.


You seem to like talking about cocks Choda, I wonder why??

As for that particular piece of speculation, that's what it is. The hacks have been writing just about everything about us. You have to weigh the things up and see yourself what is most likely. And based on the evidence we have on that issue I doubt Jol had any big money players forced on him.


That might be your way of seeing things but quite a few have seemed to understand the situation completely the opposite.

[peterc]

Adept is the word your looking for :rolleyes:
Whatever:rolleyes:

[peterc]

make that severely dilusional

Am I bothered? don't think so pal.

[irishspur]

three changes is all we need for the next game, defoe upfront, keane on the left if jol loves him so much(prefer taraabt tho or bale) . the big one of all is robo out for cerny.cerny has not done anything wrong so far and robo does it week in week out now.
if jol is brave enough to drop some players then i let him stay, if he wants the same old shit then he can leave before we get relegated

couldnt agree more sick of robbos mistakes time to give him a wake up call.

[Shuggie13]

What I am happy about is the determination the players showed to come back from three goals down and the way they showed their respect to their manager and the patient fans who have supported Jol throughout.

I'm not expecting a direct reply, because you always dodge questions but are you happy about being 4-1 down at home?

If you want to throw determination into the debate, how about being the players being determined to win a game that was celebrating our 125th aniversary, or Jol determined not to make the same mistakes he has all season?

[choda]

three changes is all we need for the next game, defoe upfront, keane on the left if jol loves him so much(prefer taraabt tho or bale) . the big one of all is robo out for cerny.cerny has not done anything wrong so far and robo does it week in week out now.
if jol is brave enough to drop some players then i let him stay, if he wants the same old shit then he can leave before we get relegated

Why not Keane and Defoe? They are the only ones looking in any kind of form. They are all struggling to be honest but that's down to the whole team confidence being low and the way they are isolated, but Keane and Defoe are the only ones with any kind of spark at the minute.

Don't know way Keane is getting some abuse. He is playing better than Berba. And the whole team bar Bale and Kaboul is playing shit. At least Keane's head doesn't go down and he has had some good games.

[peterc]

Next you'll be telling us that we should gratefull for such an entertainment
He's manager of a football team not a circus. However i do see a connection. Robbo the juggler and the rest as clowns.

If that's how you feel, why continue supporting the mighty Spurs?

[jrio]

Next you'll be telling us that we should gratefull for such an entertainment
He's manager of a football team not a circus. However i do see a connection. Robbo the juggler and the rest as clowns.

One thing's for sure, go down by 3 goals to Liverpool at Anfield after an hour and, not only are you not coming back, you're looking at losing another 2 or 3. Robbo won't be dropped but what does it take? Unfortunately as he's England's No 1 it means that Spurs dropping him means McLaren would have to drop him. I gather Carson played very well again, and though Liverpool's No 2, is thought to be in line for the No 1 for England if he continues his current form.

[RuFuS]

If that's how you feel, why continue supporting the mighty Spurs?

It's the same as "summers were hotter years ago". It's called nostalgia.

[nuttyhotspurs]

i do see a connection. Robbo the juggler and the rest as clowns.

lol gota laugh at that

[irishspur]

[QUOTE=Shuggie13;62085]I'm not expecting a direct reply, because you always dodge questions but are you happy about being 4-1 down at home?

Its not about us being 4-1 down we drew 4-4 for shits sake. This is a night for positivity. Just dry your eyes and support the team.

[berbzy 'G']

Don't know why I bothered going mad when Spurs scored the 4th goal, didn't really get us anywhere... But it was nice to seeing those blue and white flags wave in the crowd again... and to sing back to villa supporters '' 4 1 and you ****edit up ''... shut them right up?

[RuFuS]

lol gota laugh at that
As much as appreciate that it made you laff :p it not humour, it's relief :eek:

[peterc]

I'm not expecting a direct reply, because you always dodge questions but are you happy about being 4-1 down at home?

If you want to throw determination into the debate, how about being the players being determined to win a game that was celebrating our 125th aniversary, or Jol determined not to make the same mistakes he has all season?

A result is what Levy asked for and we did not lose tonight. We came back against a team who have shown great improvement under O'Neill. Determination was clear to be seen and for whatever reason we did not end up losing 4-1. Jol has made mistakes but I keep asking, but never seem to have an answer, mention one manager who never makes any tactical errors? Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa, Wenger.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Don't know way Keane is getting some abuse. He is playing better than Berba. And the whole team bar Bale and Kaboul is playing shit. At least Keane's head doesn't go down and he has had some good games.

keane doesnt deserve any abuse i agree and bale is playing out of his skin. ain't sure if hes a left back though. maybe i havent seen enough of him play but he looks more like a left winger.

kinda disagree with you about kaboul, ok hes very dangerous on crosses (about ****in time we had that from a cb) but his partnership with dawson is diabolical. maybe they just cant play together???

sherwood[****] mentioned something about chimbo saying he doesnt want to defend, in the last few games ive noticed that. lennon did jack shit tonight, do you think its bcoz of chimbo constantly overlapping him?

[jrio]

Why not Keane and Defoe? They are the only ones looking in any kind of form. They are all struggling to be honest but that's down to the whole team confidence being low and the way they are isolated, but Keane and Defoe are the only ones with any kind of spark at the minute.



It's down to Jol's tactics again. But with Bale and Lennon stretching the defences and putting in dangerous crosses, especially Bale who, like Martin Peters, does seem 10 years ahead of his time, we're surely in a better position to make better use of their qualities, as opposed to lumping the ball down the pitch to lose immediate possession. The loss of confidence is really down to losing easy goals, and that's mostly down to Robbo.

[irishspur]

Next you'll be telling us that we should gratefull for such an entertainment
He's manager of a football team not a circus. However i do see a connection. Robbo the juggler and the rest as clowns.

Bullshit call yourself a spurs fan? I think u r a gooner in disguise. Or maybe ur Richard Rufus, the biggest clown to ever play in the premiership.:rolleyes:

[RuFuS]

shut them right up?

either it did or it didn't !!!! :eek:

[peterc]

Its not about us being 4-1 down we drew 4-4 for shits sake. This is a night for positivity. Just dry your eyes and support the team.[/QUOTE]

Mate, don't bother, you are going to find quite a few old grumpy grannies here.

[Shuggie13]

Its not about us being 4-1 down we drew 4-4 for shits sake. This is a night for positivity. Just dry your eyes and support the team.

You must be smoking crack if you think it is a night for positivity. There is absolutely nothing positive to say about tonights result unless we were Sheffield United or Wigan or West Brom or Southampton.

'Plucky Spurs who were 4-1 down at home showed great determination and spirit to come back to draw the match. The result my just see them clear of the relegation battle now'.

I'm not crying either so I do not need to dry my eyes, I would suggest you take off the rose-tinted glasses covering yours though.

[jrio]

A result is what Levy asked for and we did not lose tonight. We came back against a team who have shown great improvement under O'Neill. Determination was clear to be seen and for whatever reason we did not end up losing 4-1. Jol has made mistakes but I keep asking, but never seem to have an answer, mention one manager who never makes any tactical errors? Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa, Wenger.
You've had lots of answers to that question but you choose to ignore them because then you've got nothing to come back with. To wit: they don't keep making the same simple mistakes again and again. Take an early lead then lose it; concede goals repeatedly from shots over 20 yards; concede goals repeatedly from deadballs; retreat to your 18 yard line to defend a lead, even when it's 2 goals, and lose it.

[RuFuS]

Bullshit call yourself a spurs fan? I think u r a gooner in disguise.

Paxton lower season ticket holder actually. which before you ask i share with my Cousin, who went tonight. Which i why i was not at the game as i live to far away and have to get @ 3.30 am to go to work to get to mid week games.

[MarlowSpurs]

If you lot saw what it meant to all the players and how they showed their respect to BMJ, you will start to think twice before accusing Jol of wrong tactics, etc, etc, etc. JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY
If that was the case Robinson would have been dropped a long time ago

Do you seriously think that such a manager would like to manage Spurs, knowing that Comoli and the board have the final say?
Yes
Well, it was a great comeback for a team that according to the anti jols, he cannot manage, wonder where their sudden stamina came from, Daniel Levy or was it Paul Fatso Kelmsey??
They shouldn't have been 1-4 ****ing down in the first ****ing place
Lol, speak now. What's changed? It was a shocking performance from a team with a lot of talent, but piss poor organisation.

Jol has to go.
Agreed whole heartedly
And bring in the manager with the magic wand???
Stevie Wonder could see how shit we were tonight
As you can probably tell I am so ****ed of with tonights result and effort. All the legends that were there must have been so embarrassed at their old team. Who's fault is it - everyone at the club if you ask me, I mean we have the worst home record for goals conceded in the prem at the moment and we are 3rd FROM BOTTOM. To be honest I have had a few drinks tonight but I do not know how much of this shit I can take, this was supposed to be a good year, our 125th year, I hope I'm wrong and at the end of the season we have done well. I'm off to bed now to dream what its like for spurs to actually win a game and keep a clean sheet.

[peterc]

One thing's for sure, go down by 3 goals to Liverpool at Anfield after an hour and, not only are you not coming back, you're looking at losing another 2 or 3. Robbo won't be dropped but what does it take? Unfortunately as he's England's No 1 it means that Spurs dropping him means McLaren would have to drop him. I gather Carson played very well again, and though Liverpool's No 2, is thought to be in line for the No 1 for England if he continues his current form.

Carson played very well but still conceded four goals.:confused:

[irishspur]

You must be smoking crack if you think it is a night for positivity. There is absolutely nothing positive to say about tonights result unless we were Sheffield United or Wigan or West Brom or Southampton.

'Plucky Spurs who were 4-1 down at home showed great determination and spirit to come back to draw the match. The result my just see them clear of the relegation battle now'.

I'm not crying either so I do not need to dry my eyes, I would suggest you take off the rose-tinted glasses covering yours though.

we will continue this conversation at the end of the season, when we will be 17????? 16????? 15????? i dont think so more like 6th. And we only need to one thing, play cerny.

[choda]

[QUOTE=choda;62073]If you remove your cock from Jol's ass it might be worth having a converstion with you.


You seem to like talking about cocks Choda, I wonder why??

As for that particular piece of speculation, that's what it is. The hacks have been writing just about everything about us. You have to weigh the things up and see yourself what is most likely. And based on the evidence we have on that issue I doubt Jol had any big money players forced on him.


That might be your way of seeing things but quite a few have seemed to understand the situation completely the opposite.

Oh really you understand the situation is completely the opposite. Who told you that then? Daniel Levy? Martin Jol?

Because it's funny they've said and the man himself have said that Jol doesn't get any players he doesn't want, plus Jol talks glowingly about all the boys that come in.

So is your wonderful Jol a liar now?

And just in case you don't release it 'what you say is what you are' isn't even a good comeback for kids. ;)

[irishspur]

Paxton lower season ticket holder actually. which before you ask i share with my Cousin, who went tonight. Which i why i was not at the game as i live to far away and have to get @ 3.30 am to go to work to get to mid week games.

No offence meant tempers r running high i suppose.

[Shuggie13]

we will continue this conversation at the end of the season, when we will be 17????? 16????? 15????? i dont think so more like 6th. And we only need to one thing, play cerny.

6th, so we both agree we are going in the wrong direction.

[jrio]

Carson played very well but still conceded four goals.:confused:
Except 2 weren't directly the fault of his ineptitude, as in Robbo's case. Perhaps you expected Carson to save Keane's penalty. Palace lost 9-0 at Anfield about 18 years ago but that wasn't because Nigel Martyn was the worst keeper in the league.

[peterc]

You've had lots of answers to that question but you choose to ignore them because then you've got nothing to come back with. To wit: they don't keep making the same simple mistakes again and again. Take an early lead then lose it; concede goals repeatedly from shots over 20 yards; concede goals repeatedly from deadballs; retreat to your 18 yard line to defend a lead, even when it's 2 goals, and lose it.

Ferguson playing Silvestre and Mourinho not playing SWP. Rafa leaving out Torres, Wenger playing Sanderos etc, etc, etc.

[irishspur]

6th, so we both agree we are going in the wrong direction.

Im a realist it may take a few years to get the champo league, but sacking jol will set us back two years.

[proto]

i don't feel high, i don't feel that bad now, just ****ing exhausted

a couple bits of dodgy defending and a couple bits of gawd awfull hands from the keeper made it bad, but theres some good stuff i saw tonight and the bad stuff is mistakes one can hope are very much fixable.

just getting weary waiting for them to get fixed, however i look at it, should have been a 3point haul going into tonight

robbo needs some time off to compose himself, not so much because i don't want to see him playing, just with the mistakes hes making cerny has the right to have a go, thats how it works. cerny will probably goof up and robbo'll be back before you know it anyway, but if he doesn't goof up... we got a keeper that doesn't goof!

[nuttyhotspurs]

i don't feel high, i don't feel that bad now, just ****ing exhausted

a couple bits of dodgy defending and a couple bits of gawd awfull hands from the keeper made it bad, but theres some good stuff i saw tonight and the bad stuff is mistakes one can hope are very much fixable.

just getting weary waiting for them to get fixed, however i look at it, should have been a 3point haul going into tonight

robbo needs some time off to compose himself, not so much because i don't want to see him playing, just with the mistakes hes making cerny has the right to have a go, thats how it works. cerny will probably goof up and robbo'll be back before you know it anyway, but if he doesn't goof up... we got a keeper that doesn't goof!

pretty much sums up how i feel too. however thewhole defense thing is becoming a joke. it needed fixing the last half of last season and nothing seems to be done. in fact its getting worse every game

[Shuggie13]

Ferguson playing Silvestre and Mourinho not playing SWP. Rafa leaving out Torres, Wenger playing Sanderos etc, etc, etc.

What's your point peter? That 3 other managers drop players and learn from their mistakes and make their teams stronger and that Jol..............

Jol keeps on making the same mistakes.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=peterc;62081]

Oh really you understand the situation is completely the opposite. Who told you that then? Daniel Levy? Martin Jol?

Because it's funny they've said and the man himself have said that Jol doesn't get any players he doesn't want, plus Jol talks glowingly about all the boys that come in.

So is your wonderful Jol a liar now?
Jol is not a liar but being diplomatic, wonder whether you might need to look up that word. Believe what you want Choda, time will tel who was right.

And just in case you don't release it 'what you say is what you are' isn't even a good comeback for kids. ;)
Hit a nerve there have we? :p

[jrio]

Ferguson playing Silvestre and Mourinho not playing SWP. Rafa leaving out Torres, Wenger playing Sanderos etc, etc, etc.

Those aren't mistakes, they're managerial selections. You really can't see the difference, can you? You could look at any side and say the manager has goofed by not playing this or that player. In fact, you touched on something and couldn't identify it. Firstly Ferguson pursued European success by trying to play a 4-3-2-1 formation but didn't succeed in the final stages against the likes of Madrid and Milan. Rafa has his zonal marking, a deep failure at the start, but how about the last 18 months? Also, his rotation policy, successful in some respects but damaging to league performance. With Wenger it was always over-passing, creating about 20 chances and finishing 2, until this season. Mourinho did little wrong, nothing I could really point a finger at. Still, for all their failures, those managers achieved quite a lot, didn't they? I'm guessing you wouldn't want to polish their medal cabinets every day.

[Shuggie13]

i don't feel high, i don't feel that bad now, just ****ing exhausted

a couple bits of dodgy defending and a couple bits of gawd awfull hands from the keeper made it bad, but theres some good stuff i saw tonight and the bad stuff is mistakes one can hope are very much fixable.

just getting weary waiting for them to get fixed, however i look at it, should have been a 3point haul going into tonight

robbo needs some time off to compose himself, not so much because i don't want to see him playing, just with the mistakes hes making cerny has the right to have a go, thats how it works. cerny will probably goof up and robbo'll be back before you know it anyway, but if he doesn't goof up... we got a keeper that doesn't goof!

Given got dropped and had to fight for his place back. Sometimes it doesn't hurt.

[peterc]

Im a realist it may take a few years to get the champo league, but sacking jol will set us back two years.

At least two years back. Changing the manager has proved very successful in the past.:rolleyes: Do we have to bother mentioning the few that came and went in the ten years. The only decent one was Graham, unfortunately he was a gooner.

[choda]

Ferguson playing Silvestre and Mourinho not playing SWP. Rafa leaving out Torres, Wenger playing Sanderos etc, etc, etc.

Ferguson played Silvestre and he couldn't win the league or cl or get near them. But he still got everything else right so they still finished in the cl places everytime and won FA cups or league cups. And he corrected his mistake by buying Vidic and moving Silvestre to left back when he plays. He learned from his error and they won the league and almost the cl. Jol is making bags of errors and not learning either, so it's completely different.

The other errors you mention aren't in the same ball park at all.

Spurs are never going to be big team while Jol continues to play Robbo in this form, Jenas, Mal or Tainio as wide men, has a team so badly organised on set pieces and set up with so many gaps between the def, mid and attack.

There you have your answers for the umpteenth time.

[JuicE]

mention one manager who never makes any tactical errors? Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa, Wenger.

Are you serious? Consistently making tactical errors? Pull your head outta your arse FFS!

[choda]

At least two years back. Changing the manager has proved very successful in the past.:rolleyes: Do we have to bother mentioning the few that came and went in the ten years. The only decent one was Graham, unfortunately he was a gooner.

How about Jol for Santini, was that a good call?

[peterc]

What's your point peter? That 3 other managers drop players and learn from their mistakes and make their teams stronger and that Jol..............
Ferguson kept playing Sivestre, Wenger still keeps playing Sanderos and Mounrinho started playing SWP more this season that previous seasons, as regards to Rafa speak to some scousers.
Jol keeps on making the same mistakes.

And so did/ still do the rest.

[choda]

Those aren't mistakes, they're managerial selections. You really can't see the difference, can you? You could look at any side and say the manager has goofed by not playing this or that player. In fact, you touched on something and couldn't identify it. Firstly Ferguson pursued European success by trying to play a 4-3-2-1 formation but didn't succeed in the final stages against the likes of Madrid and Milan. Rafa has his zonal marking, a deep failure at the start, but how about the last 18 months? Also, his rotation policy, successful in some respects but damaging to league performance. With Wenger it was always over-passing, creating about 20 chances and finishing 2, until this season. Mourinho did little wrong, nothing I could really point a finger at. Still, for all their failures, those managers achieved quite a lot, didn't they? I'm guessing you wouldn't want to polish their medal cabinets every day.

Mourinho had problems with the style of play and it hurt them sometimes in breaking teams down and in europe where quality possesion is key. But as you say it's different gravy to Jol.

[peterc]

Ferguson played Silvestre and he couldn't win the league or cl or get near them. But he still got everything else right so they still finished in the cl places everytime and won FA cups or league cups. And he corrected his mistake by buying Vidic and moving Silvestre to left back when he plays. He learned from his error and they won the league and almost the cl. Jol is making bags of errors and not learning either, so it's completely different.

The other errors you mention aren't in the same ball park at all.

Spurs are never going to be big team while Jol continues to play Robbo in this form, Jenas, Mal or Tainio as wide men, has a team so badly organised on set pieces and set up with so many gaps between the def, mid and attack.
There you have your answers for the umpteenth time.

You seem to have a very short memory, Fegurson nearly got the sack, but the board gave him time and eventually he gave them the results.

[jrio]

Mourinho had problems with the style of play and it hurt them sometimes in breaking teams down and in europe where quality possesion is key. But as you say it's different gravy to Jol.
Sure, but difficult to be overly critical when, taking into account the resources, he wins 2 leagues in a row, 2 LCs and an FA Cup, whilst reaching 2 CL semis only to be knocked out by one goal at Anfield and then penalties. I don't think Spurs fans would be at all bothered by the style of play if a manager who could establish that level of mental strength in the players was appointed. Maybe after 10 years of winning trophies we'd start to complain about the style. :cool:

[TURKISH]

Ferguson played Silvestre and he couldn't win the league or cl or get near them. But he still got everything else right so they still finished in the cl places everytime and won FA cups or league cups. And he corrected his mistake by buying Vidic and moving Silvestre to left back when he plays. He learned from his error and they won the league and almost the cl. Jol is making bags of errors and not learning either, so it's completely different.

The other errors you mention aren't in the same ball park at all.

Spurs are never going to be big team while Jol continues to play Robbo in this form, Jenas, Mal or Tainio as wide men, has a team so badly organised on set pieces and set up with so many gaps between the def, mid and attack.

There you have your answers for the umpteenth time.


But what about the hudd he was shit tonight, gave the ball away all the time and kept looking for the hollywood pass. Hudd was awful but so was everyone to be fair.

Why on earth is jol playing 3 defensive midfielders across midfield? Tainio left wing, zokora and hudd???????? I hate steed but he's better left wing than tainio.

I just laughed the way the players celebrated that draw and thought it was a good result. We will keep making these mistakes, why on earth do we concede the goals we do when we have a good back 5 on paper is beyond me.

Can you image what the legends thought of this? I actually wanted us to lose in the end because i thought the players were ****ing awful.

And we got liverpool and necastle away next so it looks like we will be in the bottom 3 during october.

[JuicE]

I'm just worried about what will happen when we have to play a good team.....away! We'll be lucky to get an away win against any team now. They will all have a huge mental advantage over us. This is all going backwards...FAST! We are undoing everything that we were trying to change. The mental ability to win...the reputation of trying to win....the "Hard to Beat" mentality that goes with playing positive football. We've lost it all and it will take a long time to turn that around.

4 - 1 Down at home FFS!

Were a ****ing laughing stock and we need to change...NOW!

Jol OUT! Let's salvage something out of this season.

[peterc]

Are you serious? Consistently making tactical errors? Pull your head outta your arse FFS!
Jol does not consistently make tactical errors, just cos we might disagree with them, doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong decisions.

[TURKISH]

Sure, but difficult to be overly critical when, taking into account the resources, he wins 2 leagues in a row, 2 LCs and an FA Cup, whilst reaching 2 CL semis only to be knocked out by one goal at Anfield and then penalties. I don't think Spurs fans would be at all bothered by the style of play if a manager who could establish that level of mental strength in the players was appointed. Maybe after 10 years of winning trophies we'd start to complain about the style. :cool:

Spot on and at porto they played good football when they weren't diving.

And under jose we would not be leaking in goals.

[peterc]

How about Jol for Santini, was that a good call?

Suppose you are going to tell us that you preferred Santini.:rolleyes:

[JuicE]

Jol does not consistently make tactical errors, just cos we might disagree with them, doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong decisions.

Tell me when you've pulled your head out!

[Baleinho]

now then.

i dont post very often in ere, but from wat i have done- ive always stuck by robbo and not wanted jol to go. But after 2nite shit needs to change.

Robbo for starters. This really is one game too many, i dont know about you guys... but deep down you wer all shitting your pants wenever villa got a free kick anywhere near shooting range. If you cant trust your keeper than who can you?

Jol. Ive stuck by the man from the start cause of what hes done for us and quite literally putting us back on the map again. And tbh he seems like a genuine, honest and decent bloke. But unfortunately i think this is one step too far for the guy... Something needs to change and in typical fashion it will always be the manager first to go. I do feel for him, seeing as all this ramod crap going on not only damaged the clubs reputation but it quite clearly made jol decide that he isnt well respected or trusted by the board.

Defence. ORGANISATION (thats all i need to say)

for some reason im happy.. but as was said earlier.. all its done is stop a few more giggles. Were still way down the table AND BELOW FULHAM. i mean **** me, theres some serious problems going on if your below that bunch of talentless shit.

Conclusion:

Cerny#1 till Jan window, then we bring someone in.

IMO i expect jol will be gone much closer to the transfer window in January so the replacement can start his spending on what he wants for the club.

[peterc]

Tell me when you've pulled your head out!

After you managed to pull yours.:p

[jrio]

You seem to have a very short memory, Fegurson nearly got the sack, but the board gave him time and eventually he gave them the results.
I've got a long memory and I saw him and his side. At the end of '87 we stuffed them 4-0 with Mitchell Thomas, our left-back, scoring 2. Under Sexton they'd fallen to about 7th and under Atkinson 13th at the end of their seasons. Ferguson managed about 14th at his lowest. However, he had a long-term project in mind which is where the departure of players like Whiteside and McGrath started. No manager that succeeds him would get half the time he had. But they wouldn't at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. But Ferguson's pedigree was vastly superior to Jol's. With Aberdeen he'd broken a monopoly of over 20 years by the Glasgow sides in Scotland, and he beat Madrid in the 1983 CWC Final. Jol looks like a good manager who's concentrating far more on pr than coaching.

[choda]

Jol does not consistently make tactical errors, just cos we might disagree with them, doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong decisions.

You know so little about football. We are talking facts here. Bad organisation is not some thing that has any opinion with it. Picking players out of position is bad news when you have players suited to the roles and on and on.

Tainio left wing, that's not opinion, it's a wrong decision. Robbo retaining the jersey, wrong decision.

And huge gaps between the units in your team is bad organisation and there's no opinion there either. It's bad training and tactics.

[jrio]

I'm just worried about what will happen when we have to play a good team.....away!
The good news is....you don't have long to worry! Only till Sunday! The bad news is it's at Anfield where we suffered our heaviest ever defeat(7-0) and some other corkers(6-2, 5-2, 4-1) in the last 30 years. I'd recommend sticking a cork in your arse - that's what I'll be doing. :o

[peterc]

I've got a long memory and I saw him and his side. At the end of '87 we stuffed them 4-0 with Mitchell Thomas, our left-back, scoring 2. Under Sexton they'd fallen to about 7th and under Atkinson 13th at the end of their seasons. Ferguson managed about 14th at his lowest. However, he had a long-term project in mind which is where the departure of players like Whiteside and McGrath started. No manager that succeeds him would get half the time he had. But they wouldn't at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. But Ferguson's pedigree was vastly superior to Jol's. With Aberdeen he'd broken a monopoly of over 20 years by the Glasgow sides in Scotland, and he beat Madrid in the 1983 CWC Final. Jol looks like a good manager who's concentrating far more on pr than coaching.

Well Jrio, not all of us have the same opinion and I am still confident that Jol,given the chance, will bring back the glory days.

[JuicE]

Peterc! Have you escaped from somewhere?

[choda]

Suppose you are going to tell us that you preferred Santini.:rolleyes:

No you dolt. I was pointing out that a change can be a good thing. Jol did well in building this team, but he has hit a brick wall. That was clear from the off this year. It was clear he hadn't learned from his errors even based on the frist game and couldn't take us any further. In fact it was always likely he might take us backwards, as stagnation is going backwards.

[TURKISH]

You know so little about football. We are talking facts here. Bad organisation is not some thing that has any opinion with it. Picking players out of position is bad news when you have players suited to the roles and on and on.

Tainio left wing, that's not opinion, it's a wrong decision. Robbo retaining the jersey, wrong decision.

And huge gaps between the units in your team is bad organisation and there's no opinion there either. It's bad training and tactics.

Spot on 3 defensive midfielders in midfield, steed should of started or put bale left wing and lee left back.

And someone needs to tell hudd just give it simple he allways goes for the hollywood pass.

Robbo not doing himself any favours!!!!!!!!! He has all the tools to become a great goalie but he seems to be getting even worse as months go on!

[peterc]

You know so little about football. We are talking facts here. Bad organisation is not some thing that has any opinion with it. Picking players out of position is bad news when you have players suited to the roles and on and on.

Oh it's Professorof Football Choda, sorry did not have the time to congratulate you on your degree. Bad organisation, picking players playing the wrong position but still manage to comeback from a deficit of three goals. That must have been a miracle.
Tainio left wing, that's not opinion, it's a wrong decision. Robbo retaining the jersey, wrong decision.
I agree with you that Tainio was in the wrong position but there must have been a reason whey he played there.
Robbo seems to have lsot his oconfidence yet again, he played well against M'Boro but seems to have gone back to square one, dropping him for a while does not seem to be a bad idea.
And huge gaps between the units in your team is bad organisation and there's no opinion there either. It's bad training and tactics.
But here again still manage to comeback, amazing isn't it?:rolleyes:

[jrio]

No you dolt. I was pointing out that a change can be a good thing. Jol did well in building this team, but he has hit a brick wall. That was clear from the off this year. It was clear he hadn't learned from his errors even based on the frist game and couldn't take us any further. In fact it was always likely he might take us backwards, as stagnation is going backwards.
I've got to agree with your analysis. It does happen to most managers. In Jol's case I'd say Carrick leaving was the equivalent of hitting the brick wall. I'd say credit Jol for picking him when Santini wouldn't, except Santini was a fish out of water and I could see, along with most others, that Carrick couldn't be any worse than the lumpen Redknapp. In that first full season with Jol and Carrick no side stuffed us and we often came back at sides that looked to have won the game against us. We gained points against all the top 4 sides and should have won a few of those games, particularly Arsenal away. Another major factor was the Arnesen/Jol partnership and that has dissolved with the appointment of Commoli, who, whatever his qualities, seems to have established an axis of evil with Levy.

[TURKISH]

But here again still manage to comeback, amazing isn't it?:rolleyes:

Come back to what a draw? Still bottom 3 and our next to games are away from home. I just don't see us doing well this season peter mate.

[JuicE]

I just want to sign out on a positive note.

It's really sunny here and i'm going beach fishing. I will lose all memory of Spurs for the next 5 hours in the surf mist and sound of crashing waves. Ahhhhhhhh! :D Happiness! :D

[choda]

But here again still manage to comeback, amazing isn't it?:rolleyes:

It was more by luck than design Peter and Villa are no great shakes. As Roy Keane says concentrate on performances and then you know how you are doing really for the season's results. And if you want to look at results were not doing to good on that score either, are we?

[SurreySpur]

im sure JuicE knows this fella and apologies for the language!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-inNVxDhZo&mode=related&search=

Seems fitting right now guys.............

[peterc]

Come back to what a draw? Still bottom 3 and our next to games are away from home. I just don't see us doing well this season peter mate.

It was pretty gloom last season until January, then we finished 5th, I ain't giving up hope.

[TURKISH]

I've got to agree with your analysis. It does happen to most managers. In Jol's case I'd say Carrick leaving was the equivalent of hitting the brick wall. I'd say credit Jol for picking him when Santini wouldn't, except Santini was a fish out of water and I could see, along with most others, that Carrick couldn't be any worse than the lumpen Redknapp. In that first full season with Jol and Carrick no side stuffed us and we often came back at sides that looked to have won the game against us. We gained points against all the top 4 sides and should have won a few of those games, particularly Arsenal away. Another major factor was the Arnesen/Jol partnership and that has dissolved with the appointment of Commoli, who, whatever his qualities, seems to have established an axis of evil with Levy.


My views exactly i don't think jol is signing the players he want's. I feel bale was the only one. Arnesen and jol had a great relationship who wanted jol in the first place?

We miss carrick big time and thats why i said him and jj bossed midfield because we never got stuffef when he was there. And carrick new when to pass short or long.

I feel this isn't jol's team, but than it doesn't give him an excuse to be conceading that amount of goals! Or the team he picks!

[TURKISH]

It was pretty gloom last season until January, then we finished 5th, I ain't giving up hope.

Well i hope so mate i just feel gutted.

[peterc]

I just want to sign out on a positive note.

It's really sunny here and i'm going beach fishing. I will lose all memory of Spurs for the next 5 hours in the surf mist and sound of crashing waves. Ahhhhhhhh! :D Happiness! :D

Happy Surfing pal.

[Baleinho]

this is the key here.

I dont know the figures, but this time last season we werent exactly on a high. I believe us beatin portsmouth was the turning point last season.

for all we know the 4-4 draw and the quite literal 'rock bottom' of being 4-1 down at home against Villa in 58 mins could be the point of building back up to something. 4th is out of the question; with the scum, liverpool and both Manchesters doing so well...

Its not all over yet guys, i agree change needs to be made but keep the faith!

i kept it wen it went to 4-2, surely you guys can :D

This is rock bottom for us atm, but we need to pull together and look at the positives... we still have a strong team (granted its not going well atm) but at least our decline hasnt happened after christmas and seeing us going from 4th a shit load downhill and finishing 10th/11th.

ps. ive cheered up abit since coming home and posting earlier xD

[peterc]

It was more by luck than design Peter and Villa are no great shakes. As Roy Keane says concentrate on performances and then you know how you are doing really for the season's results. And if you want to look at results were not doing to good on that score either, are we?

Quite similar to last season and then what happened Choda?, luck was it? Don't think so, anyway, hitting the hay, and COYS.

[Baleinho]

lol i aint the only one whos trying to lift the spirits of the thfc talk forum then!

[peterc]

this is the key here.

I dont know the figures, but this time last season we werent exactly on a high. I believe us beatin portsmouth was the turning point last season.

for all we know the 4-4 draw and the quite literal 'rock bottom' of being 4-1 down at home against Villa in 58 mins could be the point of building back up to something. 4th is out of the question; with the scum, liverpool and both Manchesters doing so well...

Its not all over yet guys, i agree change needs to be made but keep the faith!

i kept it wen it went to 4-2, surely you guys can :D

This is rock bottom for us atm, but we need to pull together and look at the positives... we still have a strong team (granted its not going well atm) but at least our decline hasnt happened after christmas and seeing us going from 4th a shit load downhill and finishing 10th/11th.

ps. ive cheered up abit since coming home and posting earlier xD

We could do with some more positive posts. ;)

[jrio]

Well, last season our 8th game was also against Villa but away. I took my dad to it. With 10 men we got a draw and Angel drove a penalty way over the bar. We had 8 points and a -1 gd as opposed to 6 points and -2 gd. In our next 3 games against Wham and Chelsea(home) and Watford(away) we won 2 and drew one. We now play Liverpool and Toon(away) and Blackburn(home). I'm fairly confident we won't be replicating that. My best guess is lose/draw/win.

[TURKISH]

Quite similar to last season and then what happened Choda?, luck was it? Don't think so, anyway, hitting the hay, and COYS.

We were lucky last season to finish 5th to be honest. We basically had to score 4 every game to win it. Were out fought by arsenals bunch of kids despite leading 2.0 at home. Seville at home what happened in the first half? Chelsea in the FA cup ****ed that up.

For me last season was a year to forget considering we spent over 40million!

But one question are we learning from our mistakes?

[jrio]

We could do with some more positive posts. ;)

Have some more hay. You almost seem to be conscious, though not making any more sense.

[choda]

I've got to agree with your analysis. It does happen to most managers. In Jol's case I'd say Carrick leaving was the equivalent of hitting the brick wall. I'd say credit Jol for picking him when Santini wouldn't, except Santini was a fish out of water and I could see, along with most others, that Carrick couldn't be any worse than the lumpen Redknapp. In that first full season with Jol and Carrick no side stuffed us and we often came back at sides that looked to have won the game against us. We gained points against all the top 4 sides and should have won a few of those games, particularly Arsenal away. Another major factor was the Arnesen/Jol partnership and that has dissolved with the appointment of Commoli, who, whatever his qualities, seems to have established an axis of evil with Levy.

Hitting a brick wall shouldn't be based on one player though, however pivitol, that just shows a limited manager. And we still had some inherent issues then that were always likely to hold us back. I guess we just hoped he'd sort those things out over time.

And I like Carrick, but I don't think he's a world beater. But I do totally agree that our midfield has never had the same influence without Carrick and Davids in there. That was an important part of getting us to 66 points that year.

I still don't see this axis of evil at board level. I don't know what it is based upon other than innuendo and speculation.

And I don't go for Jol being treated badly either. I think he was caught in a very bad situation due to the Ramos thing becoming public. But I don't see that as malevalent from the board, but just amateurish in being caught.

[SurreySpur]

I have to say that Zokora had a good game, he seemed to cover a lot of ground and really saved us on a few occasions, mainly when the Hudd had lost the ball or his positioning. Didier also really tracked back when the fullbacks were caught out after going forward.

All in all a good display.

Tommy Hudd and Aaron Lennon were very very poor.

[choda]

Quite similar to last season and then what happened Choda?, luck was it? Don't think so, anyway, hitting the hay, and COYS.

Last year I predicted a turn in form and finishing fifth. This year I predicted we'd finish 7th. Give me some more time for the season to take shape and you'll probably get something more like 10th (with Jol). By the way I've been within two places predicting from mid-october time for six years now.

What will you say when we finish mid table? Oops, sorry guys for being such an annoying cock all year, we'd have been better getting in somebody to save our season and get ready for the next year alright, silly me. BLUE AND WHITE ARMY!

[choda]

I have to say that Zokora had a good game, he seemed to cover a lot of ground and really saved us on a few occasions, mainly when the Hudd had lost the ball or his positioning. Didier also really tracked back when the fullbacks were caught out after going forward.

All in all a good display.

Tommy Hudd and Aaron Lennon were very very poor.

Yes, as unflattering as he continues to be to the reputation he came with he is still far more of a presence in there than Jenas.

[jrio]

I still don't see this axis of evil at board level. I don't know what it is based upon other than innuendo and speculation.


I'm basing it on Levy lacking the courage to dispense with Jol in the summer, when he was afraid of a fan backlash, one I'd have thought would have been lessened by the capitulations against Chelsea, Arsenal and Sevilla, and the seeming disharmony between Jol and Commoli. I don't buy all the stories that appeared crediting Commoli with a large measure of Arsenal's buys(clearly from this season that's bollocks) and claiming that Jol wanted to sell Berba and buy Crouch. Levy lacks the courage of his convictions, seemingly too bent on cooking up schemes to tempt Spurs fans from emptying their pockets. My view is that once Arnesen left, Levy was left with a coach he didn't originally want to appoint and then seemed to appoint someone designed to side with him and undermine Jol. It doesn't detract from Jol's complacency and bumbling, but it also does great discredit to Levy.

[TURKISH]

Yes, as unflattering as he continues to be to the reputation he came with he is still far more of a presence in there than Jenas.

I think another game went by without jj and hudd didn't take his chance. The hudd got rapped tonight by barry and coker who i felt spurs should off brought.

Im not a huge fan of tom but jj is a better all round player in my eyes. I feel tom's overated and will get over run by midfielders. I felt tom didn't do zokora any favours tonight.


Should off brought Scott brown.

[jrio]

Yes, as unflattering as he continues to be to the reputation he came with he is still far more of a presence in there than Jenas.
Only corollary to that is he'll never score a goal(literally) whereas Jenas will score several, sometimes spectacularly as against Arsenal. Neither are good enough. Jenas will never realise his potential, currently only about 65% of what it could be. Zokora does many things quite well but that's overshadowed by his many faults. The loss of the Carrick/King/Dawson axis has exposed us greatly.

[TURKISH]

Only corollary to that is he'll never score a goal(literally) whereas Jenas will score several, sometimes spectacularly as against Arsenal. Neither are good enough. Jenas will never realise his potential, currently only about 65% of what it could be. Zokora does many things quite well but that's overshadowed by his many faults. The loss of the Carrick/King/Dawson axis has exposed us greatly.

If man utd offered us carrick back but had to pay 18 million like they did....i would say HELL YEAHHHHHHHH.

We miss him badly and jj didn't get the chance to play centre mid with him throughout the season.

I don't rate zokora, or huud and jj good but he's not that next level. So if we add it up we have 3/4 of our midfield that we don't want. :eek:

[spursmadnick06]

Jenas may not have reached his potential, but Jenas will do far more for us than Zokora or Huddlestone will ever do.

[spurs61]

We could do with some more positive posts. ;)

Positive posts come hand in hand with...positive results.:eek: As shocking as that may sound.

The daft thing is that I've only been to four games so far this season, seen twenty goals, fifteen for us and three wins and a draw and y'know what??? I'm ****ing apoplectic with the performances of the team and the manager, they're a shambles from front to back with but one saving grace in Bale. :mad: This is a side which has cost a forutune, is bristling with talent and the best we can do is one lousy victory from seven (league) against the worse Premiership team I've ever seen. They've managed to conceded three goals to a shite Fulham and four tonight against a team who hadn't scored away from home up until this evening. And we're supposed to positive how?:confused:

[spurs61]

I'm basing it on Levy lacking the courage to dispense with Jol in the summer, when he was afraid of a fan backlash, one I'd have thought would have been lessened by the capitulations against Chelsea, Arsenal and Sevilla, and the seeming disharmony between Jol and Commoli. I don't buy all the stories that appeared crediting Commoli with a large measure of Arsenal's buys(clearly from this season that's bollocks) and claiming that Jol wanted to sell Berba and buy Crouch. Levy lacks the courage of his convictions, seemingly too bent on cooking up schemes to tempt Spurs fans from emptying their pockets. My view is that once Arnesen left, Levy was left with a coach he didn't originally want to appoint and then seemed to appoint someone designed to side with him and undermine Jol. It doesn't detract from Jol's complacency and bumbling, but it also does great discredit to Levy.


I don't think that's entirely fair. Yes Levy should have dispensed with Jol in the summer but he's backed him with money and allowed him to build a very young side which was always going to take time to bear fruits. But how long can you allow someone to keep making the same mistake time and time agains? Tottaly agree with your sentiments regarding the "schemes to tempt Spurs fans from emptying their pockets" (I nearly had a heart attack when I saw flags on every seat tonight...and no one asked for any money!), but then that's what "Big Clubs" do, it how they become big clubs and how they remain big clubs. You think Liverpool haven't milked the badge and name of the club like Man U, or the Goons? Or even Newcastle?

[jrio]

Spurs have always had a soft centre but now we're really taking it to extremes. Curiously we insist on scoring first in the first 20 minutes and then concentrate on giving the game away. And all the money hasn't been spent on attacking players - nearly 20m on Bale and Kaboul, though Bale seems much more of a potent attacking force. 10 goals conceded in 4 home games, the only clean sheet against Derby. Truly shocking. Even Ardiles as manager wouldn't have accepted that.