Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Middlesbrough

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Keanoldinho]

I'm scared I don't know wtf is going to happen here, but I'd like to see us line up like this

------------Cerny
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Bale
Lennon Hudd Boateng Taarabt
---------Defoe Bent

lets see Boateng and Taarabt get a start please mj

[MarlowSpurs]

I'd hate to think what the line up is going to be

[choda]

I'm scared I don't know wtf is going to happen here, but I'd like to see us line up like this

------------Cerny
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Bale
Lennon Hudd Boateng Taarabt
---------Defoe Bent

lets see Boateng and Taarabt get a start please mj

Sounds good to me. I've been championing that midfield for a while now, but I'd wouldn't drop Keane. I'd go with him and Defoe on form and play it out into their feet.

And to be honest I would feel safer going with Tainio in the holding role. He will be more solid and mobile than Hudd and better on the ball than Zokora.

I think Hudd could be fine in a well organised unit but at the moment the gaps we have between the lines is exposing the Hudd's lack of mobility badly.

Bale looks great on the overlap and left mid, he just loves to bomb forward, class act. How he was dropped I'll never know.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'm scared I don't know wtf is going to happen here, but I'd like to see us line up like this

------------Cerny
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Bale
Lennon Hudd Boateng Taarabt
---------Defoe Bent

lets see Boateng and Taarabt get a start please mj

Would love it, but no way on Jol's baldy barnet will Steed & JJ not be playing. If they were playing centre then maybe ok, but Steed's going to be on one of the wings isn't he.

[Spur]

Do we have to talk about the game Neil? Can't we just ignore this one!?

[\jackdaw]

With no idea what team is going to be put put from one game to the next makes it extremely frustrating and very dissapointing for us.

We need to get a good cup run in any of the cups this year at least but if the same team is selected as at the weekend I think we can kiss goodbye to this game.

[wayne wonder]

My morale is low so i cant even bear to watch or listen to the game because if we lose it's gonna send me over the edge.

I'm the fan that everyone laughs at EVEN the god damn blues fans are laughing at me :mad:

[choda]

My morale is low so i cant even bear to watch or listen to the game because if we lose it's gonna send me over the edge.

I'm the fan that everyone laughs at EVEN the god damn blues fans are laughing at me :mad:

Never let them see you sweat buddy. ;) :cool:

[SurreySpur]

Ive just seen that Kevin Prince Boateng wasn't in the reserves squad for the defeat to Ipswich. Hopefully that means we'll finally see him in the first team
tomorrow.

[peterc]

Ive just seen that Kevin Prince Boateng wasn't in the reserves squad for the defeat to Ipswich. Hopefully that means we'll finally see him in the first team
tomorrow.

There you go, Jol might be reading these threads and listening to all your comments.:p

[wayne wonder]

Never let them see you sweat buddy. ;) :cool:

I know mate and im doing well but i think one day i might just snap and kill a man haha

[LifeTimeYido]

Spurs: Forecast, Ifil, Mills, Archibald-Henville, Hughton, Davis (Townsend, 20), Livermore, McKenna (Parrett, 70), Maghoma, Barcham (Olsen, 65), Pekhart.

That was the team for reserves that played today - so perhaps Boateng might get a game against boro ????

[SurreySpur]

Spurs: Forecast, Ifil, Mills, Archibald-Henville, Hughton, Davis (Townsend, 20), Livermore, McKenna (Parrett, 70), Maghoma, Barcham (Olsen, 65), Pekhart.

That was the team for reserves that played today - so perhaps Boateng might get a game against boro ????

Good point LTY, i couldn't have said it better myself.....oh hang on i did!!:p

[LifeTimeYido]

yeh - ok ok - so i missed that bit - but at least i provided the reserve team to prove it !! ;)

[SurreySpur]

yeh - ok ok - so i missed that bit - but at least i provided the reserve team to prove it !! ;)

i was only joking buddy!!

It'll be good to see what boateng can do. hopefully he'll get a good 30mins or so.

[LifeTimeYido]

i was only joking buddy!!

me too :o

soz if ya thought anything else !


but yeh - it would be nice to see if 5mil was well spent.

[singapore spur]

jol should go out with all guns blazing against a very poor boro side , and i think he will .

robbo

chimba kaboul dawson lee (if fit )

lennon hudd boatang bale

defoe bent


as usual it depends on the mindset of the team , its an attack minded team that wont be able to sit back and invite them on .

[Keanoldinho]

we better win or mido4ever will be on here talkn big shit and I don't think I can take that at the minute

[TURKISH]

we better win or mido4ever will be on here talkn big shit and I don't think I can take that at the minute

Can you image if mido was score against us they were to win?????? :confused:


But we got to give players a chance tonight, but to be honest even if we win i wouldn't be that happy as come saturday it will go tits up again.

[JuicE]

Can you image if mido was score against us they were to win?????? :confused:


But we got to give players a chance tonight, but to be honest even if we win i wouldn't be that happy as come saturday it will go tits up again.

Relax! he's injured i think. :)

I'm going for a 3-1 loss as i feel they will take advantage of our disarray. That and i have bribed the players to lose so that we can **** MJ off ASAP. Only took a fiver too!

[SCIFIN17YID]

Yes fatboy has a hamstring issue :D

[Zinedinekilbane]

Is the match on t.v. ?

[wayne wonder]

It's gonna be a but obviously we'll concede from a set piece or through some other shoddy defending that we've been used to

Im going for 3-1.......................to boro :p nah 3-1 to the mighty spurs and that'll set us up nicely for the villa game next monday. Hope KPB plays or at least put the lad on the bench and let him have a 20min run out.

[singapore spur]

who covers the cup over there ? is it sky or itv , or mixture ?

[mjbmedia]

CUPS ON SKY highlights on itv sometimes
since we lost Mido la Jazeeri TV dont show us so we aint on the streams for this game it seems apart from some obscure Korean thing

[choda]

I know mate and im doing well but i think one day i might just snap and kill a man haha

Some suggestions: Wenger, Jenas, Fabregas, Jol. Wanna kill 4 men? :D

But what ever you do don't run onto the pitch and try to smack Frank the wank and MISS. :rolleyes:

And before Peter C gets irate, the Jol bit was harsh alright, but he does deserve his p45.

[singapore spur]

chance ill get it live then if it has sky coverage .
or will they pick chelski fr the upset .

either way will be a 3am kick off , can i be arsed

[SurreySpur]

I think hull v chelsea is the televised game tonight and as yet i haven't found any streams.

[jrio]

Relax! he's injured i think. :)

I'm going for a 3-1 loss as i feel they will take advantage of our disarray. That and i have bribed the players to lose so that we can **** MJ off ASAP. Only took a fiver too!
That would be some loss as they only have one fit striker in Lee.

[wayne wonder]

Some suggestions: Wenger, Jenas, Fabregas, Jol. Wanna kill 4 men? :D

But what ever you do don't run onto the pitch and try to smack Frank the wank and MISS. :rolleyes:

And before Peter C gets irate, the Jol bit was harsh alright, but he does deserve his p45.

Hahaha 3 out the 4 will do and IF i ever ran on the pitch (believe me i've wanted to a few times i'd think it would be when robbie savage, Eboue or Bellamy were playing

[SCIFIN17YID]

How are you watching it everyone ?????

[SurreySpur]

How are you watching it everyone ?????

it doesn't look like its on anywhere mate

[corkspur]

Berbatov and Defoe start,Keane and Bent on the bench.Kaboul and Bale also back.No Boateng in the squad.

[SCIFIN17YID]

Im off to the game I will be in south lower right at the front anyway here is the game link live stream use sopcast I came back home just for you guys.

sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/29704


^^^ enjoy. send me a pm to show some love !

[SurreySpur]

Im off to the game I will be in south lower right at the front anyway here is the game link live stream use sopcast I came back home just for you guys.

sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/29704


^^^ enjoy. send me a pm to show some love !

Where did you find this mate?

[SurreySpur]

Tottenham
01 Robinson
02 Chimbonda
05 Kaboul
20 Dawson
16 Bale
25 Lennon
08 Jenas
22 Huddlestone
06 Tainio
09 Berbatov
18 Defoe
Substitutes
12 Cerny, 04 Zokora, 10 Keane, 23 Bent, 33 Rocha

[mjbmedia]

i think hes recording it from the ground????? god knows i dont understand

[mjbmedia]

so what happened to not being able to have two strikers on the bench rule that Jol made when Defoe was left out????

[MarlowSpurs]

channels offline at the mo

[wayne wonder]

so what happened to not being able to have two strikers on the bench rule that Jol made when Defoe was left out????

Its Jol he's such a prat sometimes he's just made himself look stupid with 2 strikers on the bench

[\jackdaw]

Is Lennon injured again?

[wayne wonder]

Is Lennon injured again?

He's playing mate, Tainio's on the left maybe the right if lennon's on the left and bale's at left back

[jrio]

Its Jol he's such a prat sometimes he's just made himself look stupid with 2 strikers on the bench

I think that's a rule for league away games, especially as Boro only have a fourth choice striker available. What is shocking is that Taara isn't at least on the bench.

[wayne wonder]

I think that's a rule for league away games, especially as Boro only have a fourth choice striker available. What is shocking is that Taara isn't at least on the bench.

and he took boateng out the reserves but he's nowhere to be seen?? if we ever lose this then there's gonna be some shit going down

[\jackdaw]

He's playing mate, Tainio's on the left maybe the right if lennon's on the left and bale's at left back

Sorry my bad .. mis read the posts and not 100% with the radio .. having to run all over house.. for some reason I didnt think he was in the squad even ... I blame senility ....

[wayne wonder]

Sorry my bad .. mis read the posts and not 100% with the radio .. having to run all over house.. for some reason I didnt think he was in the squad even ... I blame senility ....

hahaha spurs do that to u mate!! we're all over them and yet nothing :(

[SurreySpur]

hahaha spurs do that to u mate!! we're all over them and yet nothing :(

HAHAHA Coventry are one up at old trafford!!

[jrio]

and he took boateng out the reserves but he's nowhere to be seen?? if we ever lose this then there's gonna be some shit going down
But you'll notice he's playing a virtual first-choice side, excepting Keane and Mal. Keane's only omitted so the crowd favourite Defoe can play. Clearly, he doesn't want to risk any booing from the fans.

[SurreySpur]

Sounds like were completely shitting on boro

[wayne wonder]

But you'll notice he's playing a virtual first-choice side, excepting Keane and Mal. Keane's only omitted so the crowd favourite Defoe can play. Clearly, he doesn't want to risk any booing from the fans.

True!! but boro will score because we've had like 10 chances already!

Man u have the kids out and superstar o'shea and nani playing think thats it the rest are kids

[\jackdaw]

Amazing the amount of chaces we have had and not scored... fingers crossed it wont go against us.

[wayne wonder]

Amazing the amount of chaces we have had and not scored... fingers crossed it wont go against us.

Dont think i'd be able to take that mate i'd break down in a pool of tears

[SurreySpur]

non of the home teams have a scored a goal in any of tonights 8Carling Cup games so far........weird.

[wayne wonder]

non of the home teams have a scored a goal in any of tonights 8Carling Cup games so far........weird.

Bollocks to them why cant we score

[SurreySpur]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bale Bale Bale Bale

[wayne wonder]

Oh thank god for bale

[\jackdaw]

Get in there.. at last ..

[SurreySpur]

Lets start playing Bale upfront!! ;)

and now coventry are 2up at old trafford

[shakey18]

Bale!!-About ****in time!

[\jackdaw]

Thats better boys .. lets get more for a confidence booster

[berbzy 'G']

Huddlestone...............

[wayne wonder]

Im backing Bale to score 20 this season and get PFA player and young player of the year!!

YESSSSSSSSSSSS THE HUDDDDDDDDDDDZZZZZZZZZZ

[SurreySpur]

EASY EASY EASY

get in there hudd, apparently a great volleyed 80 yard inch perfect pass from Robbo to lennon.

[wayne wonder]

:o Bale's like our top scorer :o

[berbzy 'G']

Whats the bet we might actually keep a clean sheet... or is it to good to be true!!!

[wayne wonder]

****ing spammers scored in the last min the ****ing retards

[berbzy 'G']

****ing spammers scored in the last min the ****ing retards


Don't worry m8, I'm hoping we get them in the cup draw at WHL... Then we'll knock em out!

[SurreySpur]

Whats the bet we might actually keep a clean sheet... or is it to good to be true!!!

Still 10 minutes to go berbs, as we all know anything can happen!!

[SurreySpur]

They're talking about Lennon being offside for the first goal but its about time we got a dodgy decision go in our favour.

[jrio]

Utterly risible if a side playing with one fourth choice striker can score in this situation.

[wayne wonder]

Don't worry m8, I'm hoping we get them in the cup draw at WHL... Then we'll knock em out!

i actually hate them as much as arsenal and closely followed by chelsea!! ****ing inbreds

[berbzy 'G']

i actually hate them as much as arsenal and closely followed by chelsea!! ****ing inbreds


Don't mind chelsea that much... Just purely h8 Arsenal and West Ham naturally and want them to lose every game they play... But it's not happening with them this week...

[\jackdaw]

Will Zakora ever score? .. this decade?

[choda]

Complete shower of pikeys and Trevor Brooking.

[wayne wonder]

Don't mind chelsea that much... Just purely h8 Arsenal and West Ham naturally and want them to lose every game they play... But it's not happening with them this week...

I think the hatred for chelsea was because we couldn't beat them but west ham and arsenal i actualy sit watching hoping they lose and when ashton just scored i just let out a big FOR ****S SAKE!!

[berbzy 'G']

I think the hatred for chelsea was because we couldn't beat them but west ham and arsenal i actualy sit watching hoping they lose and when ashton just scored i just let out a big FOR ****S SAKE!!

lol, same.....

[SurreySpur]

I hate everybody lol

But Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham and Villa lead the way

[\jackdaw]

A win and a clean sheet ... cant ask for more but Middlesbro were woeful.

[berbzy 'G']

I'm having a heart attack... SPURS HAVE KEPT A CLEAN SHEET!!!!!!!!!

[wayne wonder]

Complete shower of pikeys and Trevor Brooking.

I seriously think i'd take arsenal doing the double over us if it meant west ham going down hahaha shocking i know

[jrio]

Will Zakora ever score? .. this decade?
No, and neither will Zokora. The guy can't hit a barn door from five yards.

Bad result for Villa tonight, playing most of their first teamers. Something we should take advantage of next Monday.

[SurreySpur]

I think i make that 7 premiership teams that will be out of the Carling Cup by the end of play today.

Man U, Newcastle, Reading, birmingham, Boro, Villa and either fulham or Bolton.

I have a feeling this Cup is going to have winner from outside the premiership top four.

[SurreySpur]

I know that ITV have highlights from 11.05pm but will Sky show the goals before?

[peterc]

A good win and when Jol changed a couple of players, we won 2-0, ah, so Jol can't be that bad. can he?
MARTIN JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY:cool:

[wayne wonder]

A good win and when Jol changed a couple of players, we won 2-0, ah, so Jol can't be that bad. can he?
MARTIN JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY:cool:

He got booed for taking off defoe wonder what he'll make of that!!

[jrio]

I have a feeling this Cup is going to have winner from outside the premiership top four.

Hold that feeling son. Only United are out after playing a reserve side. Arsenal look as though they'll go to the final again and Liverpool have the resources to go as far. Fergie must have looked at Chelsea's disarray, seen Benitez's rotational nonsense, and realised it was a straight fight with the gooners for the title.

[peterc]

He got booed for taking off defoe wonder what he'll make of that!!

He proved the boo boys wrong yet again. I wonder who had the last laugh :D

[jrio]

That was a Boro side without Woodgate, Huth, Pogatetz, Arca, Mido, Aliadiere, and Tuncay. Some fans seem to have ignored that or not been aware.

[wayne wonder]

OH FOR ****S SAKE!!

Spurs fan on bbc 606 oh defoe's not even that great he's no keano he doesn't even go looking for the ball total prick!!

[SurreySpur]

Hold that feeling son. Only United are out after playing a reserve side. Arsenal look as though they'll go to the final again and Liverpool have the resources to go as far. Fergie must have looked at Chelsea's disarray, seen Benitez's rotational nonsense, and realised it was a straight fight with the gooners for the title.


Son??

Sorry grandad, please dont start the next post with' in my day............' ;)

[jrio]

Son??


Just had the naivete of someone young enough.

[peterc]

Full squads or not, who cares, we got a positive result.:p

[jrio]

Some fans seem to think that a home win against a Boro side(one that lost 3 nil away to Wham with most of their players) vindicates Jol's coaching. It doesn't, no more so than, if like Coventry, we'd beaten ManU reserves 2 nil at OT tonight.

[SurreySpur]

Just had the naivete of someone young enough.

Thats a very Patronising thing to say jrio. What exactly did i say that was naive? We're one of 13premiership teams left in and in my opinion the winner will be a team from outside the top four, let me tell you something, just because someone thinks differently to yourself it doesn't mean its wrong, naive or foolish.

[peterc]

It's pure sour grapes , cos Jol has got a result that seems quite obvious has upset a few of you who must wait for another day to blame Jol for a negative result.

[wayne wonder]

Anyway boys im gonna leave u all to argue its my bday 2moro and im off to newcastle for the wkend :p

[jrio]

Thats a very Patronising thing to say jrio. What exactly did i say that was naive? We're one of 13premiership teams left in and in my opinion the winner will be a team from outside the top four, let me tell you something, just because someone thinks differently to yourself it doesn't mean its wrong, naive or foolish.
No offence intended, but look at the facts. Last winner from outside top 4 was Boro in 2001. Since then the top 4 started taking the competition a lot more seriously. Even a scratch Liverpool side knocked us out a few years ago at home. See where I'm coming from, allied to a gooners second-string dominating us in the semis last season? One side that could do it would be City.

[peterc]

Anyway boys im gonna leave u all to argue its my bday 2moro and im off to newcastle for the wkend :p
Have a good one pal.;)

[SurreySpur]

No offence intended, but look at the facts. Last winner from outside top 4 was Boro in 2001. Since then the top 4 started taking the competition a lot more seriously. Even a scratch Liverpool side knocked us out a few years ago at home. See where I'm coming from, allied to a gooners second-string dominating us in the semis last season? One side that could do it would be City.

I understand your opinion and it all comes down to the draw, but i think We'll see an upset in this competition. Thats just my opinion, i know the top four generally dominate this competition but this seasons premiership is going to be the closest in recent years and i think the cups will be very suprising. Portsmouth, City, Everton and Spurs all have a decent chance of going a long way.

Im a FA qualified coach, played semi-pro football for years and have been a spurs fan for 22years, i'd appreciate it if you didnt call me naive again son. :p

[choda]

Anyway boys im gonna leave u all to argue its my bday 2moro and im off to newcastle for the wkend :p

No matter how drunk you get then you won't stand out. ;)

[SurreySpur]

Anyway boys im gonna leave u all to argue its my bday 2moro and im off to newcastle for the wkend :p

Have a good one, enjoy the welcoming Geordie Lasses matey.

[jrio]

Probably worth mentioning that I'd left out Schwarzer and O'Neill missing from Boro as well. Do your own calculations on what you think the equivalent Spurs side would be expected to achieve at their ground.

[peterc]

Result:


TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 2 - 0 MIDDLESBROUGH


MARTIN JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY:cool:

[choda]

How did the rabbit killer play today? The uncle ****er? And meep-mbeep?

[SurreySpur]

Result:


TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 2 - 0 MIDDLESBROUGH


MARTIN JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY:cool:

Oh god, here we go again!!

[choda]

I seriously think i'd take arsenal doing the double over us if it meant west ham going down hahaha shocking i know

Getting bum ****ed by Arsenal is the worst. It's the worst to me anyway.

[peterc]

Oh god, here we go again!!

Bloody right, here we go again just to prove some of you (in general) wrong. ;)

[MACCSPURS]

Full squads or not, who cares, we got a positive result.:p

Yeah, in the Carling up which is worthless.

Our standing should be based around the premier league and not competitions most other clubs don't even are about.

Be serious, does anyone really think we look anywhere near good enough to even win it? We'll be fine until we come up against Chelsea or Arsenal and then the usual will happen.

Sorry to be negative but this result, like the UEFA cup has to be put into context.

Remember Bolton anyone?

[SurreySpur]

Just seen the goals on ITV

Great composure by Bale.

Great distribution by Robbo, Great skill and cross by Lennon and good header by the Hudd.

Great Hissy-fit on the bench by JD when he was subbed. According to radio sources he disappeared down the tunnel after keano set-up the first goal for bale.

I know it was an under-strength boro side but the substitutions from MJ were spot on.

[jrio]

Be serious, does anyone really think we look anywhere near good enough to even win it? We'll be fine until we come up against Chelsea or Arsenal and then the usual will happen.

Sorry to be negative but this result, like the UEFA cup has to be put into context.

Remember Bolton anyone?
Or Liverpool. Without Mourinho we could actually beat Chelsea, and more than once.

[peterc]

Yeah, in the Carling up which is worthless.

Still can qualify to Europe, plus whne was it the last time we won a cup.

Our standing should be based around the premier league and not competitions most other clubs don't even are about.

I repeat, these competitions still count for European qualification.

Be serious, does anyone really think we look anywhere near good enough to even win it? We'll be fine until we come up against Chelsea or Arsenal and then the usual will happen.

I am a positive and realistic fan, being positive produces results, being negative doesn't

Sorry to be negative but this result, like the UEFA cup has to be put into context.
Completely disagree with your conclusion.
Remember Bolton anyone?
Last season Bolton were a hard team to crack at home , but suddenly, thay are considered to be a weak team, their present position in the league does not represent a justified conclusion, same as with us.

[jrio]

Bolton will be relegated. If not, they'll be only a few places above. They've lost some key players and the manager that drove them. One common weakness they have with Spurs is that they have taken the lead in many games and then lost them. Difficult to understand that it's not obvious to anyone who regularly follows football.

[peterc]

Time will prove some people who think that they are the professors of football wrong, that will be my day to have a good laugh, not far to go. COYS. JOLS BLUE AND WHITE ARMY.

[SurreySpur]

Bolton will be relegated. If not, they'll be only a few places above. They've lost some key players and the manager that drove them. One common weakness they have with Spurs is that they have taken the lead in many games and then lost them. Difficult to understand that it's not obvious to anyone who regularly follows football.

Bolton may go down although i cant see it. They didnt lose many really key players, they managed to keep the spine of the team with Speed, Nolan, Anelka, Davies, Campo,hunt and most importantly jaaskelianen. Although losing tal ben haim was a massive blow.

Losing Sam has shell-shocked them and it seems that sammy lee isnt the man to pull them out of this trouble, he'll be one by christmas.

[jrio]

Bolton may go down although i cant see it. They didnt lose many really key players, they managed to keep the spine of the team with Speed, Nolan, Anelka, Davies, Campo,hunt and most importantly jaaskelianen. Although losing tal ben haim was a massive blow.

Losing Sam has shell-shocked them and it seems that sammy lee isnt the man to pull them out of this trouble, he'll be one by christmas.

Faye was the other one and he went to Toon. Should have mentioned that the majority of the backroom staff, numbering something like 15, went there as well. Notice Lee's recurrent catch phrase "as I said to you before" that he uses in interviews. Just strikes me as something that a coach not really up to the job uses. Another factor is that Campo was omitted until he played against us.

From the very sizeable desk of Professor Jrio ;)

[jrio]

From the Times: The win came after a night of typical Tottenham: neat attacking, careless defending, chances wasted and a questionable tactical decision. One of the sticks used to beat Martin Jol, the underpressure Tottenham head coach, is that he makes poor substitutions. Yesterday he removed Jermain Defoe, by some distance the best player on the pitch.

I only saw the highlights and followed it on-line via text, but that was my impression. KK and others there, any great disagreement with that?

[singapore spur]

It's pure sour grapes , cos Jol has got a result that seems quite obvious has upset a few of you who must wait for another day to blame Jol for a negative result.


it really aint sour grapes , all of us on here would love to see jol be successful at spurs , we all want us to go a massive unbeaten run and build a dynasty .FACT

beating a very poor boro side who have several of their 1st team squad missing , midweek , at home , in a cup most teams dont take seriously until the 1/4 finals is not a sign that all things are great again .

i would say that us squandering chance after chance as in previous outings have cost us dear in the league , and that cant be put down to jol , but the whole manner of our performances hasnt been good , and the capitulation in face of a bit of pressure has to be down to jol , wether that is tactically or down to coaching .

in all the reports i have read , defoe has featured heavily , all saying he was sharp and man of the match , with berby not getting a mention , so it seems strange why when subs were to be made was defoe taken off and not berbs (though i will confess havent seen the game or even highlights yet )

[mjbmedia]

you can only beat whats infront of you, and thats all you need to do especially in cups , and thats exactly what we did. Be as negative about it as you want, if we do that for another 4 games you'll all want a Wembley ticket :rolleyes:

[peterc]

So we take notice what the media says, well known fact that most are anti Spurs and anti Jol, you believe the media, you believe everything. gullible comes to mind and it seems we do have a few gullible fans.:p

[peterc]

[QUOTE=singapore spur;61729]it really aint sour grapes , all of us on here would love to see jol be successful at spurs , we all want us to go a massive unbeaten run and build a dynasty .FACT

Seems like we must be reading different threads and posts on this forum, all want to see Jol make a success, are you 100% sure?, don't think so, but as I continue saying Jol and his supporters will have the last laugh. Believe the media, what a joke.:D

[Gino Ginelli]

Are the highlights kicking around anywhere? It's driving me nuts not seeing the goals. I'm delighted for Bale, I echo the shout from whoever it was the Bale could be top scorer, young player of year etc. Absolute dynamite. Also Hudd, using his head! Good to see, well read about anyway.

The reports say that Defoe was at the heart of all our chances, but their keeper was on top form last night. Obviously Keane vindicated his sub appearance with the assist, but with no mention of Berbatov, wouldn't it have been worth leaving Defoe on, and bringing Keano on for Berba? There was only 20 minutes left, but I suppose with his talent he could always do something special ( it's just noticeable that he hasn't really yet this season ).

Was Tainio on the left? How did he fare? I still don't understand Jol's selection of central players when we do have actual wide players in Taarabt & Bale. Lee's turning into a good LB so Bale in LW, as we've already seen this year, gives us superb balance. Surely he sees that Lennon & Bale on the flanks on saturday will not only give us terrific attacking outlets, but also proper cover for the full backs.

And what is the deal with KPB? It's really frustrating to me knowing there's a player of that quality waiting in the wings, who'll probably be better than JJ/Zokora/Hudd/Steed & Tainio. Although I was glad to see no Steed in the first 11 for a change. Funny how he doesn't start and we win with a clean sheet...

[singapore spur]

So we take notice what the media says, well known fact that most are anti Spurs and anti Jol, you believe the media, you believe everything. gullible comes to mind and it seems we do have a few gullible fans.:p


are you saying that all the media outlets colluded to give defoe a good write up for the sole purpose of having a go at jol and his tactical nous ?
and i fell for their cunning plan ?

and mjb , i dont think i am ever really negative on these boards and didnt mean to come across that way . i was merely trying to answer peter seemingly unshakable faith that because we beat boro everything was rosy again and jol had prooved all his doubters wrong .

[peterc]

are you saying that all the media outlets colluded to give defoe a good write up for the sole purpose of having a go at jol and his tactical nous ?
and i fell for their cunning plan ?

and mjb , i dont think i am ever really negative on these boards and didnt mean to come across that way . i was merely trying to answer peter seemingly unshakable faith that because we beat boro everything was rosy again and jol had prooved all his doubters wrong .

Basically this is the answer to quite a few of you on this forum:
Jol: Brave decisions

I don't think it's about booing me because a minute later they are singing my name.
Martin Jol. ;)

[singapore spur]

Basically this is the answer to quite a few of you on this forum:
Jol: Brave decisions

I don't think it's about booing me because a minute later they are singing my name.
Martin Jol. ;)


but not an answer to my question

[mjbmedia]

and mjb , i dont think i am ever really negative on these boards and didnt mean to come across that way . i was merely trying to answer peter seemingly unshakable faith that because we beat boro everything was rosy again and jol had prooved all his doubters wrong .
NO NO NO I agree matey it wasnt a pop at you, it just happened to be the next post after yours, doesnt mean its aimed at your post tho, more so at some previous ones ,the usual bunch really. ;)

[singapore spur]

thats cool then :)

[Ginola's Son]

The performance wasn't great last night. The final 3rd activity was poor, and quite often we seemed flummoxed and bereft of ideas. Cue Robbie Keane, who seems to revel in his 'hero' role from the bench whenever he has it. Defoe had his chances and didn't take them, Jol was spot on in his switch and it won us the game...did we really need extra time just to please Jermain? I'm all for him starting, but not at the expense of the result.

Happy to be through, but I dunno, we're seriously lacking something.

[SurreySpur]

When is the draw for the next round?

[Spur]

When is the draw for the next round?

With Jeff Stelling on Saturday afternoon. The bloke said so on SSN about a million times last night!

[SurreySpur]

With Jeff Stelling on Saturday afternoon. The bloke said so on SSN about a million times last night!


I wasnt watching SSN news last night, i was listening to it on the radio

[Ginola's Son]

maybe he doesn't have SSN

[Spur]

maybe he doesn't have SSN

I wasn't sayin' it like that, it weren't a pop at SS but a pop at the guy who kept sayin' it in some propaganda style brainwash.

[SurreySpur]

I wasn't sayin' it like that, it weren't a pop at SS but a pop at the guy who kept sayin' it in some propaganda style brainwash.

Yeah sky sports news can be a bit like that, i only really have it on in the background on a saturday when the banter between the pundits tends to be better. Plus Jeff 'monkey-hanger' Stelling is a legend!!

[Ginola's Son]

SSN on a saturday is grand. Top draw entertainment. Even if it does feature the indecipherable Paul Merson

[mjbmedia]

Jeff Stelling football legend will draw the home teams and away teams and shake the balls too :o

Agree with Ginos assessment of the situations .

I like defoe starting as Keane can be very effective coming on if it doesnt go right , who knows what will happen next.

[peterc]

but not an answer to my question

Well if you cannot read between the lines, you must have missed the answer, simple really.:p

[JuicE]

He doesn't answer questions, he's too ignorant!

[Gino Ginelli]

Just saw the (brief) highlights on footytube. Only really saw the attacking play, and only from when Robbie came on. What do make of JD being completely ignored by Jol? Very strange behaviour considering he'd had a good game.

Lennon's ball in for Hudd was nice. Should try and cross it like that most games.

[spurs61]

From the Times: The win came after a night of typical Tottenham: neat attacking, careless defending, chances wasted and a questionable tactical decision. One of the sticks used to beat Martin Jol, the underpressure Tottenham head coach, is that he makes poor substitutions. Yesterday he removed Jermain Defoe, by some distance the best player on the pitch.

I only saw the highlights and followed it on-line via text, but that was my impression. KK and others there, any great disagreement with that?

KK pussied out of the game last night, it was too cold for him! So I got lumbered with yet another mid-week game. :mad:

The Times had it pretty spot on, Defoe did look the brightest player on the pitch but still played miles away from Berbs (who looks increasing disinterested), he really does have to learn that it's not about the greater glory of Jermain Defoe. Bizarely the only good chances which fell to JD required him to use his heading ability or lack of it, hoe does have a great leap though. Tom was the best player on the park followed closely by Bale, both of whom displayed maturity and composure well beyond thier teenage years. JJ was rubbish again, he did his best to gift Boro a goal at the start of the second half and his miss at the start of the game was shocking and he knew it. MJ got the subs totally right to make a nice change, the midfield needed energy and drive which Zokora added when he came on, Robbie was just Robbie, he's getting back to form.

The defense remains shambolic despite only facing one up front, both centre halves looked uncomfortable (why??) and Chimbo was his usual sloppy self. We desperately need a defensive midfield, at times Boro walked straight through the middle of the park without so much as a challenge. Am I the only one concerned that our left back is our top scorer after 9 games?

[Gino Ginelli]

So same old shit, but flattered to decieve?

[mjbmedia]

. Am I the only one concerned that our left back is our top scorer after 9 games?
no hence the recent much maligned 'our shite strikeforce' thread

[choda]

KK pussied out of the game last night, it was too cold for him! So I got lumbered with yet another mid-week game. :mad:

The Times had it pretty spot on, Defoe did look the brightest player on the pitch but still played miles away from Berbs (who looks increasing disinterested), he really does have to learn that it's not about the greater glory of Jermain Defoe. Bizarely the only good chances which fell to JD required him to use his heading ability or lack of it, hoe does have a great leap though. Tom was the best player on the park followed closely by Bale, both of whom displayed maturity and composure well beyond thier teenage years. JJ was rubbish again, he did his best to gift Boro a goal at the start of the second half and his miss at the start of the game was shocking and he knew it. MJ got the subs totally right to make a nice change, the midfield needed energy and drive which Zokora added when he came on, Robbie was just Robbie, he's getting back to form.

The defense remains shambolic despite only facing one up front, both centre halves looked uncomfortable (why??) and Chimbo was his usual sloppy self. We desperately need a defensive midfield, at times Boro walked straight through the middle of the park without so much as a challenge. Am I the only one concerned that our left back is our top scorer after 9 games?

Sounds about right from the tactical wizard of the forum.

I still really can't get over the way Defoe is overated. Mind you I'd be starting him with Robbie and see how he does, because he does look sharp, unlike Berba and Bent.

It's more than likely that he would piss me off again though with his JD obsession for JD goals and his Forrest Gump movement and link play.

How anybody can say he is a better striker than Keane is beyond me.

As for the midfield and defence I think the problem is the gaps between the players. The unit is far too spread out because the defence is too deep. And their confidence must be eroded at this stage as well.

[choda]

no hence the recent much maligned 'our shite strikeforce' thread

I'm concerned about it too, but I'm concerned about the cause not the symptoms.

[spurs61]

As for the midfield and defence I think the problem is the gaps between the players. The unit is far too spread out because the defence is too deep. And their confidence must be eroded at this stage as well.


Thank you, I knew I forgot to mention something, there was about 20 yards of space between defense, midfield and the strikers.

I'm still worried by the sides insistance of moving the ball slowly, the only time we injected pace and urgency we either scored or forced a save from Jones, why don't we play with that tempo throughout the game?

Interms of the defense being too deep, at one point in the second half at 0-0 Boro had a throw in 3/4 of the way inside their half and our defense still retreated to the edge of our area! WTF is that about???!

BTW, the 20 minutes I watched Tom and Zokora together has reinforced by belief that this is our best pairing at the moment, dynamic, energetic, physical and intimidating, everything Jenas is not.

[mjbmedia]

Well Gareth Bale hasnt had a problem finishing , dont think hes missed a chance from open play

[MiloMinderbinder]

KK pussied out of the game last night, it was too cold for him! So I got lumbered with yet another mid-week game. :mad:


Rearrange these words into a well known sentence; "self, go, ****, your"

Ahhhh did didums have to go to the nasty midweek game, ahhh I'm sorry I had shit to to do so I can get cabbaged in Amsterdam :D . Anyway, pay for the ticket and you'll have a leg to stand on, as it is shut up Douglas Bader.

Saw the "highlights", is it me or are we now reliant on a bit of Bale magic most games now? That's just great, relying on an 18 yr old (sounds like a film I watched :o ). Defoe looked sharp but greedy, so the same as ever. Hudd looked good, JJ looked like JJ. Was KPB even on the bench or has he been caught shagging Jol's missus?

I have a theory about the space between our def-mid-attk, Jol wants the space there so that the oppo can run all day and eventually run themselves into the ground, sadly Jol failed to realise that all the other sides can actually play/run for 90mins, unlike us.

[peterc]

He doesn't answer questions, he's too ignorant!

Oh it's skippy, it takes one to know one pal,;)

[choda]

Thank you, I knew I forgot to mention something, there was about 20 yards of space between defense, midfield and the strikers.

I'm still worried by the sides insistance of moving the ball slowly, the only time we injected pace and urgency we either scored or forced a save from Jones, why don't we play with that tempo throughout the game?

Interms of the defense being too deep, at one point in the second half at 0-0 Boro had a throw in 3/4 of the way inside their half and our defense still retreated to the edge of our area! WTF is that about???!

BTW, the 20 minutes I watched Tom and Zokora together has reinforced by belief that this is our best pairing at the moment, dynamic, energetic, physical and intimidating, everything Jenas is not.

I don't think we can is the short answer, because I think the passing has a lot to do with the gaps too. When I watched the Bolton game when our lads had the ball they were literally searching and searching for a white shirt. Of course this is not anything new under Jol.

Maybe we hold onto the ball too long anyway (more coaching mistakes) but the gaps may be the cause or a large factor. I mean when you watch manu or arsenal when one of their players has it he has always has people around him to keep it moving and get some movement going.

And the gaps issue has a large effect on the strikers too because they get very isolated. How often do we see our strikers with it and it's just the two of them? Hell when he's playing Robbie very deep then we often have one up with nobody within 40 yards.

It's no wonder our rolls royce strikers take an eternity to get any rhythm going every season. And it is ALL of them, notice a pattern?

As for Hudd and the Zok, it is certainly better than Jenas, anything we do is probably better. I am one that feels the Hudd gets exposed with the gaps but could be absolutely fine in a better organised unit. Under Jol I actually feel Tainio is the best holding player and Boeteng has to be better than Jenas. Not that we will ever see this in action, or get to see Mal tried in there. Nor will we ever see Bale and Taarabt line up with Boeteng and Lennon. :rolleyes:

So much attacking potential is going to waste at the moment. Wenger plays Clichy, Rosicky, Eboue, Helb, and Fabregas and blows teams out of the water. Ever noticed that Martin? Why the **** can't we do that? We have the players to be really class.

[SurreySpur]

Very Good post Choda.

[mjbmedia]

So much attacking potential is going to waste at the moment. Wenger plays Clichy, Rosicky, Eboue, Helb, and Fabregas and blows teams out of the water. Ever noticed that Martin? Why the **** can't we do that? We have the players to be really class.
o so bloody true mate, every time i watch us my bird gets an earful cos we're slow and just dont go for it like id like us to.

anyway i just need to improve my aim!!!!!

[Spur]

BTW, the 20 minutes I watched Tom and Zokora together has reinforced by belief that this is our best pairing at the moment, dynamic, energetic, physical and intimidating, everything Jenas is not.

Whenever they've played together they've looked good together.

[SurreySpur]

They have looked good together but i still worry about the Hudds mobility when faced with a decent opponent. Fabregas ran him ragged, Gerrard and the rest of the top central midfielders will do the same.

We have so many decent(ish) central midfielders but we dont have a settled combination, most teams have a settled central midfield and they're probably the first players on the teamsheet as its the most important position on the pitch.

[shakey18]

They have looked good together but i still worry about the Hudds mobility when faced with a decent opponent. Fabregas ran him ragged, Gerrard and the rest of the top central midfielders will do the same.

We have so many decent(ish) central midfielders but we dont have a settled combination, most teams have a settled central midfield and they're probably the first players on the teamsheet as its the most important position on the pitch.

Agreed mate.Thats one of the reasons i want to see KPB in the team as soon as.I think he needs to be given the opportunity to make a CM position his own, a position that is crying out for someone to make a difference in.German young player of the year with an eye for goal, and a trick or too.Chuck him in.He might be just what we're looking for.A £5m player in the reserves is no use to man or beast.

[spurs61]

i still worry about the Hudds mobility when faced with a decent opponent. Fabregas ran him ragged, Gerrard and the rest of the top central midfielders will do the same.

Yeah, it's a problem which Tom will always have, basically he either has to play in a three man central midfield or not against the more mobile players (which means all of them). He's slimmed down a bit this season and you can see that he's been working on his agility but he's still fairly lumbering and cumbersome.

[choda]

Yeah, it's a problem which Tom will always have, basically he either has to play in a three man central midfield or not against the more mobile players (which means all of them). He's slimmed down a bit this season and you can see that he's been working on his agility but he's still fairly lumbering and cumbersome.

Well I think we look soft centered no matter who plays. It does expose Tom more than others but that's logical, isn't it?

I'd love to see how he would do in a team where the units aren't so spread apart and there aren't so many gaps.

Come to think of it when he plays for the under 21's I don't see any problems for him, and that's against other young fellas who on average are the most mobile groups of players.

Sure it is a lower level, but I feel there is a large chance he is just suffering from Jol's tactics.

[spurs61]

No, the U21's is just a slower paced game, it's perfectly suited to Tom who was born to play international football much like Carrick. If he were playing his football in Italy he'd be hailed as a young superstar.

[choda]

No, the U21's is just a slower paced game, it's perfectly suited to Tom who was born to play international football much like Carrick. If he were playing his football in Italy he'd be hailed as a young superstar.

But we always look to like a jam centered biscuit in the middle, no matter who plays, even Davids.

I still have high hopes for Tom. Better tactics and more work on his mobilty and still think could become the Kaiser. I hope anyway. ;)