Match Thread: Bolton Wanderers vs Tottenham Hotspur

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[berbzy 'G']

Said in the paper that Ian Wright recons we'll win 0 1... I think we will lose or draw?

[TURKISH]

Said in the paper that Ian Wright recons we'll win 0 1... I think we will lose or draw?

We keep a clean sheet????? No chance i say 3:1 berbs my good man.:D to us by the way ..........:p

[\jackdaw]

Now Big Sam has left they are not as good as they were, but in saying that they need the win as much as we do.

Going to be a tight one this and I feel a poor game for some reason.

Mighty Spurs to win 2-1

[LifeTimeYido]

This has a draw written all over it

0-0 or 4-4

[SCIFIN17YID]

Ok guys I heard this is not on chipped digital tv is this true, if so bloody heck it looks like a painfull stream job anyone got the stream links thanks.

Here is stream 1 you need Tvants and a proxy from outside of london to watch the game :'(

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun23.9/Bolton_Tottenham2.html

More links please.

[SurreySpur]

Robbo, Chimbonda, Dawson, Rocha, Ekotto, Malbranque, Tainio, Zokora, Jenas, Berbatov, Keane

Subs: Cerny, Lee, Huddlestone, Bent, Lennon

[\jackdaw]

Got it up and running with the proxy but it is very very poor at the moment.. hopefully it will get better closer to kick off.

[SCIFIN17YID]

SurreySpur you normally have reliable links please get on the link search mate, I am ready trying to find a server and get it streaming a.s.a.p. btw I sence DM9 to score !

[SurreySpur]

SurreySpur you normally have reliable links please get on the link search mate, I am ready trying to find a server and get it streaming a.s.a.p. btw I sence DM9 to score !

Unfortunatley im struggling to find anything at all. The only ones are the usual ones.

http://n17yids.co.uk/todays.html

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/

Might be a case of just listening to it on the radio

[denis-cro]

Robbo, Chimbonda, Dawson, Rocha, Ekotto, Malbranque, Tainio, Zokora, Jenas, Berbatov, Keane

Subs: Cerny, Lee, Huddlestone, Bent, Lennon

Tainio as a winger ???? WTF .... Wasn´t he playing vs Sunderland that role ??? FFS :mad:

[Keanoldinho]

Got it up and running with the proxy but it is very very poor at the moment.. hopefully it will get better closer to kick off.


Is it showing Brazil vs Australia right now for you too?

[\jackdaw]

Aye it was but I turned it off looking for another chanel.. bad mistake as it wont stream now.

Read on a French site that Star Sports Phillapines has it but cant find it yet.

[Keanoldinho]

Aye it was but I turned it off looking for another chanel.. bad mistake as it wont stream now.

Read on a French site that Star Sports Phillapines has it but cant find it yet.

post a link if you do mate because the quality of this stream is shite

[SCIFIN17YID]

What are you guys using to load the stream, Tvants in its own stand alone application, if so whats the name of the channel if Internet Explorer browser how to get it channel up as I am getting a black screen.

[wayne wonder]

Tainio as a winger ???? WTF .... Wasn´t he playing vs Sunderland that role ??? FFS :mad:

NOOOOO dont tell me that?? he's really trying to **** us up the bastard:mad:

[SCIFIN17YID]

help there is people here trying to stream ! lol I have been working on this for 45mins and no luck.

[Keanoldinho]

help there is people here trying to stream ! lol I have been working on this for 45mins and no luck.



go to live-footy.doctor and follow the proxy instructions then it'll work fine on TVants

[Keanoldinho]

our line-up looks rather shit WTF happened to Bale on the LW and Lennon on the RW.

[spursmadnick06]

Isn't downloading tvants enough?? whats all this proxy business about? :novice:

[SCIFIN17YID]

Listen its not working for me through the broswer I have done everything correctly, my Stand Alone TvAnts is working fine, how to get the channel from the application, or tell me the channel name, thanks.

[Keanoldinho]

True Sport 5 the stream is absolute shite though it keeps starting and stopping

[denis-cro]

Kaboul is injured or what ??? Why isnt he in line up ???

[MarlowSpurs]

Its a shite stream

[shakey18]

Shocking stream-Tv ants really is shite

[SCIFIN17YID]

Ok I have managed to get adverts on Soccer Live 6 all Japanese talk is this the channel ?

[london0998]

freelivefooty.tv channel 2 showing game. gr8 stream

[MarlowSpurs]

I prefer Sopast

[SCIFIN17YID]

OMFG I got it but super shit stream even when on 50 meg broad band ffs shitty tvants crap !

[SCIFIN17YID]

freelivefooty.tv channel 2 showing game. gr8 stream

Tell us how to watch this one man, this Soccer Live 6 sucks like hell, A kaleidoscope moves better then this !

[\jackdaw]

Listening to the match on radio London and the commentaters going apeshit over the linesman and ref.. funny as ****.

[london0998]

Tell us how to watch this one man, this Soccer Live 6 sucks like hell, A kaleidoscope moves better then this !

Just go to the site, sign up. Pay your subscription. Download player then click channel 2. It is a pay site, but very cheap and well, well worth it.

[MarlowSpurs]

Trouble is I'm a tight bastard and don't like paying for anything.

[mjbmedia]

mmmm how reliable is that freelivefooty site London???? as in im registed on a few and they often let you down with crap service / streams

[london0998]

Trouble is I'm a tight bastard and don't like paying for anything.

Know how U feel. But I'm the one watching the game.

[mjbmedia]

Trouble is I'm a tight bastard and don't like paying for anything.
esp when youve missed 30 minutes already, tho dont sound like much has happened

[SCIFIN17YID]

No thanks I would rather just use my money to go to the game, why pay for a stream they are crap quality, and small screen aload of paints ! better to watch free stream, anyway hopefully this channel works, as I am on advertisments right now here is how i am doing it, open up internet explorer browser, then place this url in the address bar

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun23.9/Bolton_Tottenham2.htmlp

make sure tvants is installed and wait for the channel to buffer.

[london0998]

mmmm how reliable is that freelivefooty site London???? as in im registed on a few and they often let you down with crap service / streams

Best site I've used. used flf.com, footballon etc. This is the best by far.

[\jackdaw]

Get in there Keano ...

[MarlowSpurs]

Jesus I've now got some bloke in a footy oufit with an elephant behind WTF

[SCIFIN17YID]

This is horrible its buffering every 1 second is anyone having this problem too, why aint there a way to adjust the buffering rate or network settings omg TvAnts is crap so much hastle to do 1 job, pffft SOPCAST FTW !

[\jackdaw]

If your stream is shit .. which most are from whats being said here listen to it on the radio ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/sport/premiership/tottenham/index.shtml

[SCIFIN17YID]

w0000t a goal ? i think its chopping every minute ! w0000t keanoooooooooooo i think ? :/

[shakey18]

C'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn!!!!

[denis-cro]

Get in there Keano ...

It was about ****ing time !!!!!!!!

[\jackdaw]

****ing set peice again ... why cant we do anything about them

[london0998]

we r crap at the back.

[SCIFIN17YID]

omfg I go downstairs to tell my mum we scored and come back up stairs 20 seconds later and they score FFS ! even the stream aint loading no more pffft.

[MarlowSpurs]

No clean sheet again

[denis-cro]

we r crap at the back.

we´re always crap at the back !!!!!!!!

[SCIFIN17YID]

Best thing at this stream as crap 94.90 is what I am listening to on my digital reciever.

[mjbmedia]

o well Keanes scored so hes guaranteed a start for the next 20 games now :rolleyes:

[Keanoldinho]

typical ****n set piece goal seen it come in a mile away

[SurreySpur]

So we go one up and then concede an equaliser from a set-piece, good thing it doesn't happen every week............oh wait a second......

[SCIFIN17YID]

Ohwell 1 - 1 Shit Stream, No J Defoe, bahhh bollocks !

[mjbmedia]

London what medium does flfooty site use???? i cant work with tv ants or p2p

[SCIFIN17YID]

*EDITED*

Links Will Follow Near Kickoff
Bollocks :'(

[SurreySpur]

ok w000t I have great news I have found sopcast links wuuu huuu

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/sun23.9/CSKA_Amkar.html

Doesnt work mate, it comes up with channel offline

[SCIFIN17YID]

Doesnt work mate, it comes up with channel offline

Sorry mate the text was so small I did not see it, here is the url of where I got the info from

http://live-stream.blogspot.com/

[Keanoldinho]

why the **** is Lee and Bale not starting on our left side, ffs Ekotto just kicks people gets cards and gives away freekicks

[shakey18]

Bale, Kaboul and Defoe-What the ****s going on.The official site said yesterday that King and Gardner were the only injuries.

[SCIFIN17YID]

They have posted new links but too me they seem like the same channels

http://n17yids.co.uk/todays.html

[SurreySpur]

With Everton and West Ham both losing and Blackburn currently losing against Pompey we NEED to win this game, 3points will close the gap on our rivals and will make the table a lot nicer to look at in the papers tomorrow.

[SurreySpur]

Im giving up on finding a steam, im going to watch Man Utd destroy Chelsea while listening to spurs on bbcLondon 94.9

[bocayid]

watching game at work ...i thought Robbos positioning was a bit suspect...

[choda]

why the **** is Lee and Bale not starting on our left side, ffs Ekotto just kicks people gets cards and gives away freekicks

Exactly, Jol's losing the plot altogether. It's a retarded team selection for numerous reasons. No real width, no Bale, no Lennon. A proven liability in Ekotto and no Kaboul either.

****ing ridiculous.

[SurreySpur]

How are you watching it boca?

[MarlowSpurs]

watching game at work ...i thought Robbos positioning was a bit suspect...

What again.... I don't believe it for a second:rolleyes:

[MarlowSpurs]

****ing ridiculous.

Spurs as a whole is ****ing ridiculous at the moment

[nuttyhotspurs]

Exactly, Jol's losing the plot altogether. It's a retarded team selection for numerous reasons. No real width, no Bale, no Lennon. A proven liability in Ekotto and no Kaboul either.

****ing ridiculous.

couldn't have put it better myself. pathetic team selection.

[SCIFIN17YID]

we need bale for this corner kick not JJ.

[bocayid]

Hi Surrey,..sorry no magic secret to help you guys watch..Im at work in TV studio at BT Tower for CSI Sports doing the games....luckily we get every game coming in live so get to watch em all....I have use the streams b4 at home etc,but they are getting worse,Bare in mind they rely on everyones internet connections and servers to 'relay' the pictures..they don't have cameras at grounds or access to host broadcasters themselves..so it is pretty inconsistant...

[SurreySpur]

Hi Surrey,..sorry no magic secret to help you guys watch..Im at work in TV studio at BT Tower for CSI Sports doing the games....luckily we get every game coming in live so get to watch em all....I have use the streams b4 at home etc,but they are getting worse,Bare in mind they rely on everyones internet connections and servers to 'relay' the pictures..they don't have cameras at grounds or access to host broadcasters themselves..so it is pretty inconsistant...


In that case can i come to work with you please, lol

[MarlowSpurs]

or just relay the live feeds to us

[SCIFIN17YID]

If this 1 - 1 carry's on I will be laughing stock again :'( I got hammered by scum fans the other week, come on I dont want us to loose to bolton, damn you jol and your stupid crap tactics and team layout !

[bocayid]

if i could id would...happily...

only way i could do it would be to set up a cam and record action off the monitors and open a chat room to view it...

[shakey18]

if i could id would...happily...

only way i could do it would be to set up a cam and record action off the monitors and open a chat room to view it...

....to be swiftly followed by your P45!!

[SCIFIN17YID]

DM9 off Bent on :/

[\jackdaw]

Bent for Berby ... wtf

[bocayid]

mmmmmmmmmm...good point...besides althought every game comes in...we all work on different matches...so i can't pick what game im working on...however ive spoke to a mate of mine and he has found a server that shoes games..for free..apparently it takes a bit f setting up..but in his words..'its ****ing mint'...ill get info from him after work and try it..if all good ill post on here....

[shakey18]

mmmmmmmmmm...good point...besides althought every game comes in...we all work on different matches...so i can't pick what game im working on...however ive spoke to a mate of mine and he has found a server that shoes games..for free..apparently it takes a bit f setting up..but in his words..'its ****ing mint'...ill get info from him after work and try it..if all good ill post on here....

Now THAT would be ****in mint!

[SCIFIN17YID]

**** come on spurs we sound like we are playing good there omg ekotto what a crap ****, pfft we could have scored there.

[MarlowSpurs]

mmmmmmmmmm...good point...besides althought every game comes in...we all work on different matches...so i can't pick what game im working on...however ive spoke to a mate of mine and he has found a server that shoes games..for free..apparently it takes a bit f setting up..but in his words..'its ****ing mint'...ill get info from him after work and try it..if all good ill post on here....
****in spot on

[london0998]

we're playing crap!

[MarlowSpurs]

Anyone want to predict what Jols going to say at full time??

[SurreySpur]

mmmmmmmmmm...good point...besides althought every game comes in...we all work on different matches...so i can't pick what game im working on...however ive spoke to a mate of mine and he has found a server that shoes games..for free..apparently it takes a bit f setting up..but in his words..'its ****ing mint'...ill get info from him after work and try it..if all good ill post on here....

Nice one Bocayid

[shakey18]

Anyone want to predict what Jols going to say at full time??

"goodbye" prehaps?

[MarlowSpurs]

I've just seen the Prem table, oh my ****ing god, can it get any worse

[london0998]

bolton could score

[SurreySpur]

I've just seen the Prem table, oh my ****ing god, can it get any worse

I just dont want to look at it

[SCIFIN17YID]

omfg REF ! why no penalty ! on Ricardo ! bollocks !

[SurreySpur]

sounds like we've been ****ing shafted by yet another ****ing ref

[MarlowSpurs]

Campo's a prize ****

[SCIFIN17YID]

sounds like we've been ****ing shafted by yet another ****ing ref

From what I am hearing sh!t REF and Sh!t line's man.

[SCIFIN17YID]

ohwell no 3 points FFS spurs !

[london0998]

I'm watching it. Refs not gr8, but we are ****ing poor!

[SCIFIN17YID]

I waisted time with this game, pffft get rid of jol, and those sh!t lines man and ref !

[MarlowSpurs]

What a pile of ****ing shit

[shakey18]

**** me no wonder i drink........

[AssaTM]

I'm a BIG supporter of Jol, but what exactly was that team? seriously, it's a disgraceful team selection, and no explanation where Bale, Kaboul etc is?

[shakey18]

I'm a BIG supporter of Jol, but what exactly was that team? seriously, it's a disgraceful team selection, and no explanation where Bale, Kaboul etc is?

Agreed.Just WHAT is going on.

[nuttyhotspurs]

I'm a BIG supporter of Jol, but what exactly was that team? seriously, it's a disgraceful team selection, and no explanation where Bale, Kaboul etc is?

or why lennon was on the bench and TAINIO started......yes TAINIO oh my ****in god how the **** does he get in the squad nevermind the starting 11

[SurreySpur]

**** me no wonder i drink........

PMSL....too ****ing right shakey

[proto]

bunch
of
arse

[corkspur]

Im a big Jol fan but **** me,what is he doing!!! Was he afraid we might win a game with Defoe playing?I think its time for Martin to go for all our healths sake!!!Load of shite today,we are turning into a ****ing laughing stock! top 4??? relegation battle more like!!!

[berbzy 'G']

Dissapointed about the 1 0 lead being ****ed up as usual... But a draw away from home ain't a bad result...

[MACCSPURS]

If the board treat Jol the way they have then this is his way of getting himself sacked for the pay off.

Simple fact is, this season is ****ed and I am not going to wank over wins against utter shite teams like Derby and that Cypriot crap we made a meal over during the week.

three things will happen for Spurs to sort themselves out

1) the board will sell up and we get someone new
2) Jol will resign or be sacked
3) both 1 and 2 will happen

Personally, I want number 1

[SurreySpur]

We'd have taken a 1-1 draw away at bolton for the last couple of seasons but they are totally shite this year and were there for the taking.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Dissapointed about the 1 0 lead being ****ed up as usual... But a draw away from home ain't a bad result...

i know what your saying, point at bolton isn't end of the world even though they are playin as pants as us, however its the way we lost and mainly jols team selection that has pissed everyone off

[SurreySpur]

If the board treat Jol the way they have then this is his way of getting himself sacked for the pay off.

Simple fact is, this season is ****ed and I am not going to wank over wins against utter shite teams like Derby and that Cypriot crap we made a meal over during the week.

three things will happen for Spurs to sort themselves out

1) the board will sell up and we get someone new
2) Jol will resign or be sacked
3) both 1 and 2 will happen

Personally, I want number 1

I'd have to go for number 3.

[nuttyhotspurs]

does anyone know why bale and kaboul werent in the squad? i remember jol saying that the new players needed time to gel with the team......

[Thfc4Life]

**** knows, but according to the official site only King and Gardner were injured...

[berbzy 'G']

i didn't actually watch the match cos my Lap top wouldn't download that Poxy thing on livefooty... It took absolutley ages, if I waited any longer Nasa would of discovered life on Neptune...

[choda]

If the board treat Jol the way they have then this is his way of getting himself sacked for the pay off.

Simple fact is, this season is ****ed and I am not going to wank over wins against utter shite teams like Derby and that Cypriot crap we made a meal over during the week.

three things will happen for Spurs to sort themselves out

1) the board will sell up and we get someone new
2) Jol will resign or be sacked
3) both 1 and 2 will happen

Personally, I want number 1

The things that are going wrong in the team are nothing to do with the board. The board don't tell the defence to sit deep creating gaps in our team, they don't put out Tainio and Malbranque as wingers, keep picking Jenas and Robbo etc.

Not to mention that our passing isn't quick enough. We doodle too much which is partly to do with the huge gaps between our players, but there isn't enough movemnt and players are holding onto the ball far too much anyway.

These are issues that go back a long time, it's not that they went unrecognised but many of us said give Jol time to sort it out. I think he deserved that but as soon as the first game this year I knew he hadn't learnt from his errors and he couldn't go on about 'development' anymore. All the old errors are still there and it's clearly the manager that is the biggest problem we have.

I was depressed about spurs from sunderland. I knew 100% we were going nowhere under Jol from then, so I don't understand people blaming the board.

[MACCSPURS]

The things that are going wrong in the team are nothing to do with the board. The board don't tell the defence to sit deep creating gaps in our team, they don't put out Tainio and Malbranque as wingers, keep picking Jenas and Robbo etc.

Not to mention that our passing isn't quick enough. We doodle too much which is partly to do with the huge gaps between our players, but there isn't enough movemnt and players are holding onto the ball far too much anyway.

These are issues that go back a long time, it's not that they went unrecognised but many of us said give Jol time to sort it out. I think he deserved that but as soon as the first game this year I knew he hadn't learnt from his errors and he couldn't go on about 'development' anymore. All the old errors are still there and it's clearly the manager that is the biggest problem we have.

I was depressed about spurs from sunderland. I knew 100% we were going nowhere under Jol from then, so I don't understand people blaming the board.

Choda you need to wake up son and understand the bigger picture.

[choda]

**** knows, but according to the official site only King and Gardner were injured...

I'd think he was angling for the sack if I wasn't so familiar with Jolism.

[Thfc4Life]

The things that are going wrong in the team are nothing to do with the board. The board don't tell the defence to sit deep creating gaps in our team, they don't put out Tainio and Malbranque as wingers, keep picking Jenas and Robbo etc.

Not to mention that our passing isn't quick enough. We doodle too much which is partly to do with the huge gaps between our players, but there isn't enough movemnt and players are holding onto the ball far too much anyway.

These are issues that go back a long time, it's not that they went unrecognised but many of us said give Jol time to sort it out. I think he deserved that but as soon as the first game this year I knew he hadn't learnt from his errors and he couldn't go on about 'development' anymore. All the old errors are still there and it's clearly the manager that is the biggest problem we have.

I was depressed about spurs from sunderland. I knew 100% we were going nowhere under Jol from then, so I don't understand people blaming the board.

Great post, my sentiments exactly.

If I could give out karma yours would be full up :D

[choda]

Choda you need to wake up son and understand the bigger picture.

Lol, how is that then?

The board pick the team then do they? They do the coaching and have done for the last 3 years?

[london0998]

Choda is spot on. Jol out, the sooner the better!

[MACCSPURS]

Lol, how is that then?

The board pick the team then do they? They do the coaching and have done for the last 3 years?

Simple. Read this...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2156440,00.html

[berbzy 'G']

Martin Jol's a ****ing idiot... Firstly for leaving out Defoe... Secondly, For not putting Lennon on until the last 10 minutes... and both had a good game against Anorthosis Famagusta... Don't think Bale started either... Get rid of him Levy?

[Keanoldinho]

Exactly, Jol's losing the plot altogether. It's a retarded team selection for numerous reasons. No real width, no Bale, no Lennon. A proven liability in Ekotto and no Kaboul either.

****ing ridiculous.

Choda mate I think I'm starting to agree with you here. Jol has definately lost the ****ing plot. Lee and Bale have been class down the left a real breath of fresh air so far in a shit season. I just don't understand why Jol would put Ekotto and Tainio in who are both back-up calibre players. I know you don't like Defoe but the way he took his 2 goals mid-week was class he should of at very least been on the bench.

[shakey18]

Choda mate I think I'm starting to agree with you here. Jol has definately lost the ****ing plot. Lee and Bale have been class down the left a real breath of fresh air so far in a shit season. I just don't understand why Jol would put Ekotto and Tainio in who are both back-up calibre players. I know you don't like Defoe but the way he took his 2 goals mid-week was class he should of at very least been on the bench.

Agreed mate.I've always liked Jol, but i think it would be best all round if there was a parting of the waves.It pains me to type it, but i believe thats what will happen.The board are still a bunch of ****s though....

[Keanoldinho]

Agreed mate.I've always liked Jol, but i think it would be best all round if there was a parting of the waves.It pains me to type it, but i believe thats what will happen.The board are still a bunch of ****s though....


Yeah the board are definately still ****s and they deserve part of the blame too for our crap start. They shock the club up and affected the morale of the players with the amatuer way they conduct business. It has also affected Jol he's just looked like a different man since all the Ramos shite he's looked very edgy and had no confidence, he just looks like he's waiting to go and that's has in turn effected our performances on the pitch. It's still early days but we can't keep going on like this we need a top six finish. Ah well at least chelski got beat.:)

[SurreySpur]

Choda mate I think I'm starting to agree with you here. Jol has definately lost the ****ing plot. Lee and Bale have been class down the left a real breath of fresh air so far in a shit season. I just don't understand why Jol would put Ekotto and Tainio in who are both back-up calibre players. I know you don't like Defoe but the way he took his 2 goals mid-week was class he should of at very least been on the bench.

Yeah, Jol knows he's at the end of the line and the pay-off for being sacked is clearly in his sight. A spurs fan at the reebok phoned up spooney on 5live to describe a gesture made by Jol to the Spurs fans when they chanted defoe's name, that pissed off the spurs fans no end.

The board need to make a decision and get rid of Jol(i still cant believe im saying it as i really like the fella), this season is already turning into a write-off so lets get a new gaffer in and give him the rest of the season to get used to the prem, back him in Jan for new players, and really attack next season.

[peterc]

Jols response:

JOL ON BOLTON DRAW

Martin Jol was pleased with how we coped with Bolton's direct style in Sunday's 1-1 draw at the Reebok Stadium.



It certainly looked the the usual Bolton we were up against - the side that had won the last five league meetings at the Reebok - as long balls rained down on the heads of Michael Dawson and the rest of the defence.

As well as the free-kicks and corners, every throw-in in the last third of the pitch went into the box and the lads coped admirably apart from one free-kick as Ivan Campo rose highest to head home El Hadji Diouf's cross from the right.

That levelled Robbie Keane's strike a matter of minutes earlier and we certainly had the better chances in the second half as Steed Malbranque volleyed just over and Jussi Jaaskelainen saved well from Teemu Tainio and Keane late on.

"It was about two different styles and we had to cope with that style," reflected Martin. "Paul Robinson didn't have a lot to do, so that's good for us in an away game but on the other hand, we had two or three opportunties to score the second goal.

"It's never easy to go to Bolton but we coped with their style, so that was positive.

"We tried to keep the ball on the deck in spells and if you don't do that, you get an awful game. I don't think it was one of the greatest games I've ever seen."

Martin was quizzed by the media on his squad selection with Gareth Bale and Jermain Defoe left out and Aaron Lennon on the bench.

He responded: "You have to make certain decisions. You can only have four outfield players on the bench plus a goalkeeper, so you need a defender, a midfielder, a winger and a forward. It was a choice between Aaron Lennon and Gareth Bale, Gareth has played a lot of games in the last few weeks and he will get his chance again.

"It was the same with Jermain Defoe. Robbie Keane has a great record with away goals and did it again, so it's very important to have certain players. Jermain scored twice against Anorthosis Famagusta and he's pushing for a place again, so that's good."

Why all this anti-Jol stuff?, yes we should have bagged in three points, thanks to more chances missed by out striking force. Jol will not risk having two strikers on the bench.

[shakey18]

Yeah, Jol knows he's at the end of the line and the pay-off for being sacked is clearly in his sight. A spurs fan at the reebok phoned up spooney on 5live to describe a gesture made by Jol to the Spurs fans when they chanted defoe's name, that pissed off the spurs fans no end.

The board need to make a decision and get rid of Jol(i still cant believe im saying it as i really like the fella), this season is already turning into a write-off so lets get a new gaffer in and give him the rest of the season to get used to the prem, back him in Jan for new players, and really attack next season.

Agreed mate.I think that the reason Defoe is NOT saying he wants out, is because he knows Jol will be off soon, and then he might get a game when a new gaffer comes in.

[SurreySpur]

The board need to make the decision sooner rather than later, another defeat or two and the season is a write-off

[shakey18]

Jols response:

JOL ON BOLTON DRAW

Martin Jol was pleased with how we coped with Bolton's direct style in Sunday's 1-1 draw at the Reebok Stadium.



It certainly looked the the usual Bolton we were up against - the side that had won the last five league meetings at the Reebok - as long balls rained down on the heads of Michael Dawson and the rest of the defence.

As well as the free-kicks and corners, every throw-in in the last third of the pitch went into the box and the lads coped admirably apart from one free-kick as Ivan Campo rose highest to head home El Hadji Diouf's cross from the right.

That levelled Robbie Keane's strike a matter of minutes earlier and we certainly had the better chances in the second half as Steed Malbranque volleyed just over and Jussi Jaaskelainen saved well from Teemu Tainio and Keane late on.

"It was about two different styles and we had to cope with that style," reflected Martin. "Paul Robinson didn't have a lot to do, so that's good for us in an away game but on the other hand, we had two or three opportunties to score the second goal.

"It's never easy to go to Bolton but we coped with their style, so that was positive.

"We tried to keep the ball on the deck in spells and if you don't do that, you get an awful game. I don't think it was one of the greatest games I've ever seen."

Martin was quizzed by the media on his squad selection with Gareth Bale and Jermain Defoe left out and Aaron Lennon on the bench.

He responded: "You have to make certain decisions. You can only have four outfield players on the bench plus a goalkeeper, so you need a defender, a midfielder, a winger and a forward. It was a choice between Aaron Lennon and Gareth Bale, Gareth has played a lot of games in the last few weeks and he will get his chance again.

"It was the same with Jermain Defoe. Robbie Keane has a great record with away goals and did it again, so it's very important to have certain players. Jermain scored twice against Anorthosis Famagusta and he's pushing for a place again, so that's good."

Why all this anti-Jol stuff?, yes we should have bagged in three points, thanks to more chances missed by out striking force. Jol will not risk having two strikers on the bench.

As much as i love Jol, the Bale comment is total ****in shite.He has been the shining light so far this season and should have started.

[peterc]

The board need to make the decision sooner rather than later, another defeat or two and the season is a write-off

The board being the main culprits for the wrong doings and now have to blame the scapegoat, lol, does make sense, doesn't it?:rolleyes:

[Keanoldinho]

Jols response:

JOL ON BOLTON DRAW

Martin Jol was pleased with how we coped with Bolton's direct style in Sunday's 1-1 draw at the Reebok Stadium.



It certainly looked the the usual Bolton we were up against - the side that had won the last five league meetings at the Reebok - as long balls rained down on the heads of Michael Dawson and the rest of the defence.

As well as the free-kicks and corners, every throw-in in the last third of the pitch went into the box and the lads coped admirably apart from one free-kick as Ivan Campo rose highest to head home El Hadji Diouf's cross from the right.

That levelled Robbie Keane's strike a matter of minutes earlier and we certainly had the better chances in the second half as Steed Malbranque volleyed just over and Jussi Jaaskelainen saved well from Teemu Tainio and Keane late on.

"It was about two different styles and we had to cope with that style," reflected Martin. "Paul Robinson didn't have a lot to do, so that's good for us in an away game but on the other hand, we had two or three opportunties to score the second goal.

"It's never easy to go to Bolton but we coped with their style, so that was positive.

"We tried to keep the ball on the deck in spells and if you don't do that, you get an awful game. I don't think it was one of the greatest games I've ever seen."

Martin was quizzed by the media on his squad selection with Gareth Bale and Jermain Defoe left out and Aaron Lennon on the bench.

He responded: "You have to make certain decisions. You can only have four outfield players on the bench plus a goalkeeper, so you need a defender, a midfielder, a winger and a forward. It was a choice between Aaron Lennon and Gareth Bale, Gareth has played a lot of games in the last few weeks and he will get his chance again.

"It was the same with Jermain Defoe. Robbie Keane has a great record with away goals and did it again, so it's very important to have certain players. Jermain scored twice against Anorthosis Famagusta and he's pushing for a place again, so that's good."

Why all this anti-Jol stuff?, yes we should have bagged in three points, thanks to more chances missed by out striking force. Jol will not risk having two strikers on the bench.


because we shoulda got 3 points. Defoe, Bale, Lennon, Lee, Cerny, and Kaboul should've all started. On top off that after 7 ****ing games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone we're in the relegation zone below teams like The Mighty Reading, The Superb Sunderland, and ****ing Fulham. Enough is enough the board are ****s yeah but Jol isn't giving them much of a choice at the minute with the results forget performances MANAGERS ARE JUDGED BY RESULTS AND WE AREN'T ****ING GETTING ANY GOOD ONES

[Welsh Spur]

Lads...next 3 league games, to take us up to a ten-game forecast.....

H Villa, A Liverpool, A Newcastle

We could be looking at no points at all, however I'm going for 1point from the 3, which would give us 6 points from 10 games which would mean 24points dropped, and we would definately still be in the relegation mix after 10 games.

Jol Out now.

Even if it's not his fault it's clear that his reign is ****ed.

Top 4??? If I wasn't a Spurs fan I would be laughing my ****ing tits off. Top ****ing four. You're avin' a laugh.

A top 6 league finish this season would be a salvage job well done.

[SurreySpur]

The board being the main culprits for the wrong doings and now have to blame the scapegoat, lol, does make sense, doesn't it?:rolleyes:


The buck stops at the gaffer pete. Jol isnt a scapegoat, he's proving to be somewhat of a liability. We're In the relegation zone with 5points from a possible 21.

The Players have let Jol down and the board have acted very badly(nothing new there then) but its a results business and Jol isnt getting them, dont get me wrong, i love the big guy, he's been the best thing to happen to us in our recent history but sometimes you have to say enough is enough.

At the end of the day, if the team doesnt produce results the manager gets the boot.

[peterc]

because we shoulda got 3 points. Defoe, Bale, Lennon, Lee, Cerny, and Kaboul should've all started. On top off that after 7 ****ing games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone we're in the relegation zone below teams like The Mighty Reading, The Superb Sunderland, and ****ing Fulham. Enough is enough the board are ****s yeah but Jol isn't giving them much of a choice at the minute with the results forget performances MANAGERS ARE JUDGED BY RESULTS AND WE AREN'T ****ING GETTING ANY GOOD ONES

And who in the right state of mind would want to take over from Jol?, everyone knows what ****s of a boardroom we have?

[peterc]

The buck stops at the gaffer pete. Jol isnt a scapegoat, he's proving to be somewhat of a liability. We're In the relegation zone with 5points from a possible 21.

The Players have let Jol down and the board have acted very badly(nothing new there then) but its a results business and Jol isnt getting them, dont get me wrong, i love the big guy, he's been the best thing to happen to us in our recent history but sometimes you have to say enough is enough.

At the end of the day, if the team doesnt produce results the manager gets the boot.
If we don't have a change in the boardroom, who is to say that in two years time we won't be in the same situation?.

[MarlowSpurs]

Top 4??? If I wasn't a Spurs fan I would be laughing my ****ing tits off. Top ****ing four. You're avin' a laugh.

A top 6 league finish this season would be a salvage job well done.

Wasn't it Mourinho who said we were genuine title contenders.....
**** me how wrong he was

[denis-cro]

SACK JOL IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!

[Keanoldinho]

And who in the right state of mind would want to take over from Jol?, everyone knows what ****s of a boardroom we have?


that's a good point mate but unfortunately the board aren't going nowhere no time soon and Jol has officially lost the plot. ffs Pleat could probably get more outta this squad than Jol is at the minute.

I want to see Lennon and Bale bombing down the wings every ****ing game they're available and not injured. I want to see Dawson and Kaboul form a partnership together and Lee & Chimbo as our permanent fullbacks. I don't mind rotation like with our forwards it's neccassary but he's ****ed that up too everyone and their dog new Defoe shoulda started today after how he finished them 2 goals of mid-week.

I like Jol and he's done a great job the past 2 season getting us into europe but we need someone who can work with the backroom staff ie Comolli successfully and get the best out of this group of talented players we got. Jol is just not getting them to play their best football. I'm sure Comolli could find an adequate replacement to give us stability behind the scenes and get these players playing the quality football they're capable of. It can't get any worse at the minute.

[Keanoldinho]

Wasn't it Mourinho who said we were genuine title contenders.....
**** me how wrong he was



The sad thing is with this squad of players we should be

[MarlowSpurs]

Just been looking at who we might be playing against next season if we keep playing this shite. Well we can look forward to the likes of S****horope, Barnsley, Preston and Norwich visiting the lane. It may seem that I'm being negative but to tell you the truth my trust and belief in Spurs at the moment are ****ing shot to bits. Oh well another monday morning at work having the piss taken outta me to look forward too.
Thank you Spurs:(

[peterc]

that's a good point mate but unfortunately the board aren't going nowhere no time soon and Jol has officially lost the plot. ffs Pleat could probably get more outta this squad than Jol is at the minute.

I want to see Lennon and Bale bombing down the wings every ****ing game they're available and not injured. I want to see Dawson and Kaboul form a partnership together and Lee & Chimbo as our permanent fullbacks. I don't mind rotation like with our forwards it's neccassary but he's ****ed that up too everyone and their dog new Defoe shoulda started today after how he finished them 2 goals of mid-week.

I like Jol and he's done a great job the past 2 season getting us into europe but we need someone who can work with the backroom staff ie Comolli successfully and get the best out of this group of talented players we got. Jol is just not getting them to play their best football. I'm sure Comolli could find an adequate replacement to give us stability behind the scenes and get these players playing the quality football they're capable of. It can't get any worse at the minute.

I understand what you are saying and agree on certain points, however, I don't think that Jol has lost the dressing room as some seem to think here, I also believe that once he goes, I would not be surprised to see some regular players leaving ,by asking for transfers. All thanks to the ****ing ****s in the boardroom.:mad:

[peterc]

SACK JOL IMMEDIATELY !!!!!!!!

LOL, and get in President Bush.:D

[Keanoldinho]

I understand what you are saying and agree on certain points, however, I don't think that Jol has lost the dressing room as some seem to think here, I also believe that once he goes, I would not be surprised to see some regular players leaving ,by asking for transfers. All thanks to the ****ing ****s in the boardroom.:mad:


I don't think he's lost the dressing room either but he's definately lost the boardroom. I seriously doubt we'd lose any of our quality players if Jol left. Comolli and Levy worked out all the business side and scouted out players like Berbatov, Kaboul, and Bale.

Peter mate do you seriously think Jol put out our best possible line up that was available to him today?

[mjbmedia]

Have any of you ever worked in a job where youve known that unless you performed well above and beyond any other recent person who had held that position you were not gonna be in that job much longer so there was zero motivation to build and do well for the future cos you werent gonna be any part of it??

no me neither thank god but it cant be fun and if i were Jol i wouldnt give a **** about anything but the payoff and the 'nice' fans

ps Surrey Spur what was the 'sign' Jol gave to the fans re Defoe???

[peterc]

I don't think he's lost the dressing room either but he's definately lost the boardroom. I seriously doubt we'd lose any of our quality players if Jol left. Comolli and Levy worked out all the business side and scouted out players like Berbatov, Kaboul, and Bale.

Peter mate do you seriously think Jol put out our best possible line up that was available to him today?

No, but I would not be surprised that for example Defoe was not called up today, cos Levy would have told Jol, he only plays if he signs his new contract. Jol must be under extreme pressure and when one is under such pressure, I'm sure his concentration level is not at its best.

[Keanoldinho]

Have any of you ever worked in a job where youve known that unless you performed well above and beyond any other recent person who had held that position you were not gonna be in that job much longer so there was zero motivation to build and do well for the future cos you werent gonna be any part of it??

no me neither thank god but it cant be fun and if i were Jol i wouldnt give a **** about anything but the payoff and the 'nice' fans

ps Surrey Spur what was the 'sign' Jol gave to the fans re Defoe???


well the nice fans want results


Seriously that line up today was crap. Lennon and Bale both fit and ready to go. One's on the bench and the other is nowhere to be seen. I've been waiting all season to see Lennon and Bale start a game together and just when I think it's about to happen for some unknown reason Jol benches them both.

UN ****ING BELIEVABLE

[SurreySpur]

Have any of you ever worked in a job where youve known that unless you performed well above and beyond any other recent person who had held that position you were not gonna be in that job much longer so there was zero motivation to build and do well for the future cos you werent gonna be any part of it??

no me neither thank god but it cant be fun and if i were Jol i wouldnt give a **** about anything but the payoff and the 'nice' fans

ps Surrey Spur what was the 'sign' Jol gave to the fans re Defoe???

I dont know, the guy just said it was a dismissive gesture to their Defoe chants, my mate has just been on the phone, he was at the game and said Jol looked very uninterested for most of the game. He said he wouldn't be suprised if Jol isn't in charge for the boro league cup game. He also said it was strange that Bale and Kaboul both turned up in tracksuits yet didnt even make the bench.

He said the whole day was very strange....

[Keanoldinho]

No, but I would not be surprised that for example Defoe was not called up today, cos Levy would have told Jol, he only plays if he signs his new contract. Jol must be under extreme pressure and when one is under such pressure, I'm sure his concentration level is not at its best.


that's all speculation and I seriously doubt Jol was told not to play Defoe until he signs a new contract.

If we want him to sign or we're going to sell him the logical thing to do would be to play him so he gets happy and signs the contract or play him to keep him sharp and let the potential suitors see he's still class and keep his value up to flog him in January.

[peterc]

that's all speculation and I seriously doubt Jol was told not to play Defoe until he signs a new contract.

If we want him to sign or we're going to sell him the logical thing to do would be to play him so he gets happy and signs the contract or play him to keep him sharp and let the potential suitors see he's still class and keep his value up to flog him in January.

Only time will tell, and the whole truth will eventually be revealed.

[Keanoldinho]

Only time will tell, and the whole truth will eventually be revealed.


yep time will reveal everything, but there's absolutely no excuse for Lennon and Bale not starting on the wings today

with Lennon bombing down the right and Bale bombing down the left we woulda got 3 pts today

[peterc]

yep time will reveal everything, but there's absolutely no excuse for Lennon and Bale not starting on the wings today

Jol must have had his reasons.

[Keanoldinho]

Jol must have had his reasons.


I would really love to know what they were other than a Benitez esque rotation policy that makes you drop uneccassary points

[peterc]

I would really love to know what they were other than a Benitez esque rotation policy that makes you drop uneccassary points

We don't seem to have a fantastic record at Reebok, I would assume that he felt that we needed to play a tight game, avoiding them the space on their breaks. He is the only one who knows why.

[MarlowSpurs]

Now exactly a good start to our 125th anniversary is it, god help us if we lose against Villa on our special night

[Keanoldinho]

We don't seem to have a fantastic record at Reebok, I would assume that he felt that we needed to play a tight game, avoiding them the space on their breaks. He is the only one who knows why.


that's because we always try to go there and beat them at their own game instead of playing to our strengths we play to theirs

we need to play like Man U and attack every bloody team we come up against(we've got the players to do it) home or away our line up should be like this every week unless we have injuries

Cerny until Robbo gets his shit together
Chimbo Daws Kaboul Lee
Lennon Hudd Jenas Bale
Berbatov Any1OfThe3

GK Rocha Zoko Malb ST

Taarabt and Boateng should also be given starts in the cup games or against lesser opposition. Tainio, Gardner, Ekotto and every ****ing one on par with them shouldn't get near the ****ing bench unless there's an injury crisis and no one else is available.

[fluke]

Have any of you ever worked in a job where youve known that unless you performed well above and beyond any other recent person who had held that position you were not gonna be in that job much longer so there was zero motivation to build and do well for the future cos you werent gonna be any part of it??

no me neither thank god but it cant be fun and if i were Jol i wouldnt give a **** about anything but the payoff and the 'nice' fans



I don't really get the relevance of the arguement that Jol has been the most successful Spurs manager for forty years. We're not talking about a list of managerial excellence or achievement here are we? Perhaps with the exception of George Graham, who did, it has to be said, deliver a trophy.

One might win a gold medal at the special olympics, but at the end of the day you'd still be retarded.

Jol was given an oportunity with this job by the board in the first place and it's up to them to figure out if that oportunity has been grasped. After all he was never really an applicant for the position of manager to begin with.

I do think it's relevant to look around us and see what other clubs are achieving without our resources.

[peterc]

that's because we always try to go there and beat them at their own game instead of playing to our strengths we play to theirs

we need to play like Man U and attack every bloody team we come up against(we've got the players to do it) home or away our line up should be like this every week unless we have injuries

Cerny until Robbo gets his shit together
Chimbo Daws Kaboul Lee
Lennon Hudd Jenas Bale
Berbatov Any1OfThe3

GK Rocha Zoko Malb ST

Taarabt and Boateng should also be given starts in the cup games or against lesser opposition. Tainio, Gardner, Ekotto and every ****ing one on par with them shouldn't get near the ****ing bench unless there's an injury crisis and no one else is available.

Fair comment, lets hope we will get there soon.

[Keanoldinho]

Fair comment, lets hope we will get there soon.


I'm hoping mate but my patience is wearing thin with these line ups and performances

our squad is a top 5 team there's just no excuses for our position in the league at the minute

it's ****ing depressing me:(

[peterc]

I'm hoping mate but my patience is wearing thin with these line ups and performances

our squad is a top 5 team there's just no excuses for our position in the league at the minute

it's ****ing depressing me:(

Same here, we can only live and hope.

[spursmadnick06]

So is Lee Young-Pyo injured or did Jol just decide to oust him as he was beginning to play well?

[canadaspur]

as I sit here futilely scratching my nuts.....a question I saw posed on another board crosses my mind...

'Are we this season's West Ham?'

[spursmadnick06]

Villa at home then Newcastle and Liverpool away our next three games, can anyone see us getting anymore than 3 points from those 2 games??

[singapore spur]

The buck stops at the gaffer pete. Jol isnt a scapegoat, he's proving to be somewhat of a liability. We're In the relegation zone with 5points from a possible 21.

The Players have let Jol down and the board have acted very badly(nothing new there then) but its a results business and Jol isnt getting them, dont get me wrong, i love the big guy, he's been the best thing to happen to us in our recent history but sometimes you have to say enough is enough.

At the end of the day, if the team doesnt produce results the manager gets the boot.


have to agree with this , would like nothing better than to see jol successful but its not happening , another poor game yesterday devoid of any inspiration against a side that is a shadow of what they were under big sam .
i would have thought if jol was going to go down , at least he would go down fighting by putting an attacking team out , and taking the game to bolton . but with putting out a side with the work horse tanio signified that we were , as many have said , trying to match bolton at their own game rather than setting the agenda ourselves .

have also to say that i thoughjt zakora was terrible today , the amount of times he got muscled off the ball and ended up on the floor was embarrassing , distribution was crap though the commentator thought he was one of our most effective players .

[choda]

have to agree with this , would like nothing better than to see jol successful but its not happening , another poor game yesterday devoid of any inspiration against a side that is a shadow of what they were under big sam .
i would have thought if jol was going to go down , at least he would go down fighting by putting an attacking team out , and taking the game to bolton . but with putting out a side with the work horse tanio signified that we were , as many have said , trying to match bolton at their own game rather than setting the agenda ourselves .

have also to say that i thoughjt zakora was terrible today , the amount of times he got muscled off the ball and ended up on the floor was embarrassing , distribution was crap though the commentator thought he was one of our most effective players .

My sentiments entirely mate (apart from Zokora, I thought he was okay).

Jol worries about Bolton and Sunderland instead of blowing them out of the water like we are easily capable of.

I've been thinking about why he picked that team and this is my conclusion: He was thinking about Bolton's style of play so he picks Ekotto because he likes a tackle, but he also happens to be shit, Malbranque because he works hard, but is very ineffective as a winger, Tainio who is a ****ing defensive tackling midfielder on the right wing and Rocha because he's tough, but doesn't have Kaboul's ability. And Kaboul is a tough ****er and tall so that one was even hard to fathom in Jol logic.

It was a disgraceful line-up that went out and had all the Jol problems inherent in it's playing tactics too. Too many gaps between the players because the defence is too deep, poor on set pieces, and the players holding onto the ball too long (maybe partly to do with the big gaps).

[Gino Ginelli]

I've only managed to see bits of the Football first highlights, and for the most part I thought we looked pretty good, and had the majority of the game. We played well for the most part, with plenty of zip.

Unfortuantely the old problems remain. Poor finishing, surrendering midfield and the ever present inexplicable ability to defend a set piece. Not sure what that's about.

The only way forward I see is for the board to just butt out of the football. They haven't the foggiest what they're doing so they should just concentrate on running the company. With Jol getting his freedom to run it his way we might just get some consistency from the players.

The other way would to be to get a new manager in, buthe would have to bend to the boards will, and even if it did bring success it might not be as satisfying. Besides, if the board continue to meddle with selection and transfers in this way it won't matter who we get in, we'll never have a happy squad and club.

This is all idle speculation on my part though. Something is rotten at the club this season, the seeds may have been sown a while ago, and I have no idea what it is and what the resolution in. Either way (sorry to be a doom merchant) but I see I glorious recent rebirth being yet another false dawn. I think we'll be lucky to finish 8th the way this season is going.

[olly27]

OMG...where my thoughts when I saw the team selected for yesterdays game. He is still more concerned with the opposition's style of the play than on our own. I am not saying this should be ignored, particularly playing away from home, but he still refuses to really go for a game when he knows our quality is superior. No Bale or Lennon, and why not Lee at left back? I have no confidence at all in Jol taking this club on. His decision making just makes the mind boggle! What dissappoints me most is that we had a full summer to prepare for this season and Jol has shown no signs of improvement. Players should be playing on form, end of.

If we dont take 4 points from the next three games...they should put spurs under the definition of 'anit-climax' in the dictionary. That was the most exciting summer waiting for the league to start this season...oh well!

[choda]

I don't really get the relevance of the arguement that Jol has been the most successful Spurs manager for forty years. We're not talking about a list of managerial excellence or achievement here are we? Perhaps with the exception of George Graham, who did, it has to be said, deliver a trophy.

One might win a gold medal at the special olympics, but at the end of the day you'd still be retarded.

Jol was given an oportunity with this job by the board in the first place and it's up to them to figure out if that oportunity has been grasped. After all he was never really an applicant for the position of manager to begin with.

I do think it's relevant to look around us and see what other clubs are achieving without our resources.

Of course it is, it's all relative. Jol has done okay in previous seasons and progressed us. But he was also given great networks via Arnesan and Commoli and big money to utilise it.

There were large concerns with tactical things and coaching that many of us saw. Now, some wanted him sacked ages ago. I thought he deserved time to sort it out, but it wasn't sorted over the summer (and that became clear at sunderland) and all the same problems are still there so it's really clear now that he's not the man to take us further.

Spurs are like a porsche boxster with no gps or even a top class old-fashioned map.

The board gave him all the resources he needed but he has done all he can do and it's not going to be good enough to compete in the big races we want to challenge in.

How this makes the board ****s I don't know. As soon as I saw the line-up and performance against sunderland I knew he hadn't learned a thing from previous errors and we needed to get better. If they were thinking the same thing, and they obviously were, then I say fair play to them.

I think the only thing the board did wrong was the amateurish way they got caught with Ramos.

[JuicE]

Of course it is, it's all relative. Jol has done okay in previous seasons and progressed us. But he was also given great networks via Arnesan and Commoli and big money to utilise it.

There were large concerns with tactical things and coaching that many of us saw. Now, some wanted him sacked ages ago. I thought he deserved time to sort it out, but it wasn't sorted over the summer (and that became clear at sunderland) and all the same problems are still there so it's really clear now that he's not the man to take us further.

Spurs are like a porsche boxster with no gps or even a top class old-fashioned map.

The board gave him all the resources he needed but he has done all he can do and it's not going to be good enough to compete in the big races we want to challenge in.

How this makes the board ****s I don't know. As soon as I saw the line-up and performance against sunderland I knew he hadn't learned a thing from previous errors and we needed to get better. If they were thinking the same thing, and they obviously were, then I say fair play to them.

I think the only thing the board did wrong was the amateurish way they got caught with Ramos.

Spot on Choda! It was fair to let him take another season to prove himself and noone would have thought it would have started so badly but its not too late to get rid and try and salvage something i reckon.

[choda]

Choda mate I think I'm starting to agree with you here. Jol has definately lost the ****ing plot. Lee and Bale have been class down the left a real breath of fresh air so far in a shit season. I just don't understand why Jol would put Ekotto and Tainio in who are both back-up calibre players. I know you don't like Defoe but the way he took his 2 goals mid-week was class he should of at very least been on the bench.

As I said on another thread I'd have probably gone with Keane and Defoe. It never works for Jol but it would work in a team that always passes it out to feet.

I'm not reading too much into two goals against a conference team, but Defoe is looking far sharper than Berba, and I would like to shake it up a bit.

I doubt Defoe would stay in, but he deserves a crack.

[peterc]

As I said on another thread I'd have probably gone with Keane and Defoe. It never works for Jol but it would work in a team that always passes it out to feet.

I'm not reading too much into two goals against a conference team, but Defoe is looking far sharper than Berba, and I would like to shake it up a bit.

I doubt Defoe would stay in, but he deserves a crack.

Good point there Choda, it seems that Jol is under pressure from the board after spending £16.5 million on Bent ( a player whom I believe he did not want), he had to have him on the bench, I think deep inside he would have prefered Defoe on the bench.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Here's an interesting thought for anyone that understands Company Law. Given that Jol has clearly dissipated an asset of the Company (either Defoe or indeed the over all value of the club) can we apply set-off to his severance package? I reckon Defoe could have fetched a conservative £10mil on the open market, Jol's severance pay out is £4mil, therefore, after applying set-off Jol owes the club £6mil, can we have it paid in blood please.

**** off Mr Jol your time is up (and was about 18 months ago for those who knew what they're watching).

[Ginola's Son]

I knew this would happen to us. Too much talk about us, too much shit from the press about us doing so well this season. I knew it wouldn't be great, but I didn't expect it to be this bad. I'm very upset about it because I can't see a way out, the games are coming thick and fast and none of them easy. Jol is playing a deeply negative line-up and the players seem bereft of morale...

I don't want to turn my back on Jol...but his decision making at present is atrocious.

[choda]

Good point there Choda, it seems that Jol is under pressure from the board after spending £16.5 million on Bent ( a player whom I believe he did not want), he had to have him on the bench, I think deep inside he would have prefered Defoe on the bench.

Sorry Pete, I think that's bollocks.

There are many conspiracy theories going on which I think is people believing far too much that is written in the press.

I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

[JuicE]

I'm actually almost hoping we lose to boro just so that we get that shit cup out the way and boot the manager out! Then we can really start to play football.

[choda]

Here's an interesting thought for anyone that understands Company Law. Given that Jol has clearly dissipated an asset of the Company (either Defoe or indeed the over all value of the club) can we apply set-off to his severance package? I reckon Defoe could have fetched a conservative £10mil on the open market, Jol's severance pay out is £4mil, therefore, after applying set-off Jol owes the club £6mil, can we have it paid in blood please.

**** off Mr Jol your time is up (and was about 18 months ago for those who knew what they're watching).

You are entitled to day I told you so mate, but I for one never denied the tactical problems. I just thought he deserved time to prove whether he would develop the team or not. I think it's fair to say that he did deserve that as he did pretty well up to this summer. However, when the time came to prove whether he could take us on he singularly failed to sort out the key personnel, tactical and coaching issues.

And have you noticed that we have been pathetic after the last two pre-seasons, when he had the opportunity to coach them for weeks straight?

[MiloMinderbinder]

Good point there Choda, it seems that Jol is under pressure from the board after spending £16.5 million on Bent ( a player whom I believe he did not want), he had to have him on the bench, I think deep inside he would have prefered Defoe on the bench.

what are you talking about? You've stated beofre that you reckon Jol didn't want Bent and now state he's under pressure cos he did buy Bent.....cant have it both ways to suit your arguements.

And no, Jol doesn't want Defoe on the bench, quite simply he doesn't rate him as he doesn't work hard enough (hard to disagree with him on that)

[peterc]

Sorry Pete, I think that's bollocks.

There are many conspiracy theories going on which I think is people believing far too much that is written in the press.

I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong.

[MiloMinderbinder]

You are entitled to day I told you so mate, but I for one never denied the tactical problems. I just thought he deserved time to prove whether he would develop the team or not. I think it's fair to say that he did deserve that as he did pretty well up to this summer. However, when the time came to prove whether he could take us on he singularly failed to sort out the key personnel, tactical and coaching issues.

And have you noticed that we have been pathetic after the last two pre- seasons when he had the opportunity to coach them for weeks straight?

I am not going to say "I told you so" as a) I take no pleasure in the situation as is b) he still may turn things around ;)

What I know for a FACT is that pre-season is a time to gel your side for the up coming season. Jol has comprehensively failed to do this, I know he was playing Taraabt and Bent a lot pre-season and some younger players but not playing a lot of the seniors together. What a waste of time, pre-season games are for your team to build an understanding, I think the only thing they understand now is that they have a coach they have no confidence in and for good reason.

[peterc]

what are you talking about? You've stated beofre that you reckon Jol didn't want Bent and now state he's under pressure cos he did buy Bent.....cant have it both ways to suit your arguements.
Soryy mate, you must have misunderstood my thread completely, I said that Jol was msot probably pressurised to have Bent as a Sub (after the club spent £16.5 million) a player that Jol did not want to bid for in the first place. If, I did not specify my thoughts properly, I apologise.
And no, Jol doesn't want Defoe on the bench, quite simply he doesn't rate him as he doesn't work hard enough (hard to disagree with him on that)
So are you saying that Defoe did not deserve to be at least on the bench after his recent performance?, okay against part timers, but at least he took his chances well.

[MiloMinderbinder]

So are you saying that Defoe did not deserve to be at least on the bench after his recent performance?, okay against part timers, but at least he took his chances well.

As it goes I think that for once I have to agree with Jol, you have to have Bent on the bench if you're going to play Berbatov and Keane. Having said that, he got it wrong yesterday, the strikers should have been Defoe and Bent to exploit the lack of pace in the Bolton defence.

And yes Defoe scored two crackers mid-week, against a pub side it doesn't count for much.

[peterc]

As it goes I think that for once I have to agree with Jol, you have to have Bent on the bench if you're going to play Berbatov and Keane. Having said that, he got it wrong yesterday, the strikers should have been Defoe and Bent to exploit the lack of pace in the Bolton defence.

And yes Defoe scored two crackers mid-week, against a pub side it doesn't count for much.

Fair enough, but Berba was not that effective yesterday?, one good strike at goal and that was it. Maybe Bent should have come on before?.

[JuicE]

In all fairness those goals could have been against anyone considering the clinical and accurate finish. What they prove is that he certainly can do it if he tries.

[peterc]

In all fairness those goals could have been against anyone considering the clinical and accurate finish. What they prove is that he certainly can do it if he tries.

Exactly, my thoughts.

[JuicE]

Exactly, my thoughts.

Stand back in amazement! :rolleyes:

[Ginola's Son]

There is NO argument that Defoe should be starting.

Keane has not been that good. He's been off the boil, for that reason alone, Defoe deserves a chance. You get punished for not playing well, Keane is no exception. Bent has been ****ing crap it makes my eyes bleed thinking about it. Berbs seems lacklustre only because of the general morale of the team!

[peterc]

Stand back in amazement! :rolleyes:

Whatever:rolleyes:

[olly27]

Look on the bright side...we play boro in the CC this week and they have three strikers out! we could seriously win a game here boys!

[olly27]

I know Malbranque is frustrating but would anyone like to see him in the centre with huddlestone, with bale and lennon on the flanks when we play Villa next week? God am getting desperate now! anything to take my mind of our current state!

[choda]

I know Malbranque is frustrating but would anyone like to see him in the centre with huddlestone, with bale and lennon on the flanks when we play Villa next week? God am getting desperate now! anything to take my mind of our current state!

To be honest I'd pick Tainio in the holding role and Boeteng in the centre with Bale and Lennon either side and Taarby ready to come on.

Mal is worth a shot at some point in the centre, but I don't know how he will do. I'm so frustrated with him that I don't want him in the team at all at the moment. But I do recognise he could be good in the centre.

[olly27]

To be honest I'd pick Tainio in the holding role and Boeteng in the centre with Bale and Lennon either side and Taarby ready to come on.

Mal is worth a shot at some point in the centre, but I don't know how he will do. I'm so frustrated with him that I don't want him in the team at all at the moment. But I do recognise he could he good in the centre.

We need some sort of shake up big time. I can't believe how depressing this all is. I mean an average start to the league would of at least provided us something to build on, to get stronger. Is it to early to say 'another false dawn?' I at least hope its to early to say, but another couple of bad results and the league will virtually be a wright off..and I mean top 6. Too many sides have improved to simply just say we'll get top 6. The Villa game is now make or break for this season (given are next two away games), talk about pressure.

[SurreySpur]

We need some sort of shake up big time. I can't believe how depressing this all is. I mean an average start to the league would of at least provided us something to build on, to get stronger. Is it to early to say 'another false dawn?' I at least hope its to early to say, but another couple of bad results and the league will virtually be a wright off..and I mean top 6. Too many sides have improved to simply just say we'll get top 6. The Villa game is now make or break for this season (given are next two away games), talk about pressure.

Yeah and the Board are expecting a carnival type atmosphere at the Villa game at the Lane to celebrate 125years, they're giving away flags and banners to each fan to really get a party going.......... Unfortunatley, given the way the season has started I cant see it being much of a party mood:rolleyes: