Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal

[Ginola's Son]

Jrio - Whether he is lying or not, it's irrelavent, mother jokes are a big no-no, no matter what.

[berbzy 'G']

I think Jol's attitude is naive. It's a HUGE disappointment today. I don't think he really knows just how big. An absolute HUMILIATION to lose to them at home. This season was supposed to be about us, and how they - without Henry - were supposed to sink. Instead, they yet again wipe the floor with us, make the team look stupid and more importantly, make the fans look utterly STUPID for having hope that this might be the time we beat them.

They are only 11 men, only human, yet we put them on such high pedestals that we'll simply never beat the ****s. This inferiority complex that we have will ALWAYS prevent us from being a top team.

Jol has to answer for this. He can't run, he can't hide....he made have his P45 at the end of the day, and it was those ****s who did it to us. I feel sick to my stomach!

Oh BTW...insults to someones mother is a disgrace. I won't tolerate, neither will Peter.


JOLS A USELESS PRICK!!! ALONG WITH BENT AND ROBINSON... I CAN'T BELIEVE I FELT SORRY FOR HIM A WHILE BACK WHEN HE WAS UNDER PRESSURE... BUT NOW HE CAN **** OFF, WERE A TO GOOD CLUB FOR A MANAGER LIKE JOL...

WE MIGHT ASWELL LOSE TO WEST HAM IN NOVEMBER WHILE WERE AT IT... AND WE ALL KNOW WHO THE MAN IN GOAL IS TO LET THAT HAPPEN FOR US...

[Keanoldinho]

JOLS A USELESS PRICK!!! ALONG WITH BENT AND ROBINSON... I CAN'T BELIEVE I FELT SORRY FOR HIM A WHILE BACK WHEN HE WAS UNDER PRESSURE... BUT NOW HE CAN **** OFF, WERE A TO GOOD CLUB FOR A MANAGER LIKE JOL...

WE MIGHT ASWELL LOSE TO WEST HAM IN NOVEMBER WHILE WERE AT IT... AND WE ALL KNOW WHO THE MAN IN GOAL IS TO LET THAT HAPPEN FOR US...

what about berbatov is he a useless prick too and keane?

some people are ****ing idiots

[peterc]

[QUOTE=jrio;60331]mjb, that's just pathetic. Should anyone apologise for some imagined upset? How do you know this loser even has lost his mother recently? I'd wager he hasn't.


Would you like me to post a copy of her death certificate on this forum?, you ****. Jrio go and **** yourself, If only one day I meet up with you at the Lane, then we will see who will be chatting on this forum thereafer.

[Ginola's Son]

peterc - Calm down you hysterical git. I've backed you up, so have some others, we don't like mother jokes

Drop the threats cos they don't do you justice.

[peterc]

Jrio - Whether he is lying or not, it's irrelavent, mother jokes are a big no-no, no matter what.

GS, not worth bothering with such an uneducated idiot, but thanks for your contribution.

[jrio]

Jrio - Whether he is lying or not, it's irrelavent, mother jokes are a big no-no, no matter what.

Listen, it is relevant. It's nothing to do with his mother. Did you read the original comment? It's a jibe at his lack of sophistication and literacy. Nothing to do with his mother. Gods knows what you mean by "mother jokes". Maybe you think I should take his "challenge" and beat the shit out of him?

[Ginola's Son]

I also think jibes at someones literacy are beneath you Jrio. You're a good member mate.

[peterc]

Listen, it is relevant. It's nothing to do with his mother. Did you read the original comment? It's a jibe at his lack of sophistication and literacy. Nothing to do with his mother. Gods knows what you mean by "mother jokes". Maybe you think I should take his "challenge" and beat the shit out of him?

I'm waiting arsehole, I'm waiting , you are full of mouth and no action, Place and time Chickennnnnnnnnn

[SurreySpur]

It was a comment that has spiralled out of control and i'm sure it wasn't meant in any maliscious way whatsoever. Perhaps using 'mother' was a mistake but it was in no way a 'mother joke' so lets just cool it and get on with whats important.

I've forgotten what that was now!!

[mjbmedia]

You're a good member mate.
well i wouldnt go that far, insulting member maybe , but good????? ;)

[SurreySpur]

I'm waiting arsehole, I'm waiting , you are full of mouth and no action, Place and time Chickennnnnnnnnn

Peterc, just leave it mate, all this time and place is making you look ridiculous.

[jrio]

I also think jibes at someones literacy are beneath you Jrio. You're a good member mate.

When somebody demonstrates such a lack of understanding of football that evey failing is due to players but never the manager? When you see the repeated failings in the side from deadballs, losing goals in the last 30 etc etc? This is a forum for views. Take a view but back it up intelligently. Forumers like peterc just drag you down - "Don't debate with idiots: they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience". Also, don't fight with pigs, because you can win and still be covered in shit.

[denis-cro]

I'm waiting arsehole, I'm waiting , you are full of mouth and no action, Place and time Chickennnnnnnnnn

C´mon mate cool down... If you want a fight, you go out and find some scum supporter and kick his ass, maybe you´ ll be satisfied...;)

[peterc]

Also, don't fight with pigs, because you can win and still be covered in shit.

LOL, because you are already covered in it. you ****.

[berbzy 'G']

what about berbatov is he a useless prick too and keane?

some people are ****ing idiots

THEY DIDN'T DO **** ALL TODAY DID THEY!!!

some people are ****ing idiots

[Ginola's Son]

Peter, honestly, shut up, you're being a dickhead.

Jrio - I think its up to the individual who they want to blame for the defeat. I think the players and the manager are to blame for allowing a team who aren't THAT great come to our ground, as GUESTS...and make fools of the residents, everyone from the management down has to take responsibility

[jrio]

LOL, because you are already covered in it. you ****.
Well done, a post without a smilie. Still the usual drivel though.

[mjbmedia]

wheres the corkscrew gone????

ahhh



OUCH!!!!

[shakey18]

It was a comment that has spiralled out of control and i'm sure it wasn't meant in any maliscious way whatsoever. Perhaps using 'mother' was a mistake but it was in no way a 'mother joke' so lets just cool it and get on with whats important.

I've forgotten what that was now!!

Agreed.For ****s sake.The comment wasn't about peterc's mum..."Apparently, ending your post with a smilie makes the point for you. You've been missing far too much school. I think I'll be reporting your mother to social services."
From what i can see thats not an insult to his mum.Prehaps things are still a little raw for him, so we can understand that, but the post was a dig at him NOT his mum.Reading the post makes it obvious.As someone who has lost a parent, i wouldn't get my arse in my hand if an innocent comment was made about a person no longer here.Dr Shakey is hereby administering chill pills to all.......

[peterc]

C´mon mate cool down... If you want a fight, you go out and find some scum supporter and kick his ass, maybe you´ ll be satisfied...;)

I'm cool mate, it's just this **** who thinks that he knows it all and offends participants families, I will not except. I know it's a forum but there is a limit.
Unfortunately, the scum were the stronger team today and we got what we deserved, a thrashing, hard to take but we will have to accept it. Some will blame Jol, others will blame the players and so this debate goes on.

[mjbmedia]

.Dr Shakey is hereby administering chill pills to all.......
ok i'll have 5 , are they the ones that make you forget the previous 6 hours and then hallucinate that Ledley has just lifted the Champions League trophy ............... again :cool:

[Ginola's Son]

Yeah, on second thought, the comment was definitely not aimed at anyone's mother.

[jrio]

Jrio - I think its up to the individual who they want to blame for the defeat. I think the players and the manager are to blame for allowing a team who aren't THAT great come to our ground, as GUESTS...and make fools of the residents, everyone from the management down has to take responsibility

Sure, but make sense of it. Players don't decide their own game-plan or team play. It's all down to management. What happens if it's decided that Jol has "lost the dressing-room"? Then fans would start to blanketly blame him. How many times have you seen players from failing sides say: "We all back the manager, it's not his fault"? A lot. But the manager always leaves because he's in charge.

[mjbmedia]

. Some will blame Jol, others will blame the players and so this debate goes on.
i blame Arsenal , the bastards
:mad:

[berbzy 'G']

How come spurs supporters were so quite in stadium... even when we went 1 0 up... and the gooners didn't ****ing shut up!!!

[peterc]

Well done, a post without a smilie. Still the usual drivel though.

Ha Ha and ****ing Ha, you are a donut.:rolleyes:

[shakey18]

ok i'll have 5 , are they the ones that make you forget the previous 6 hours and then hallucinate that Ledley has just lifted the Champions League trophy ............... again :cool:

..if i had those mate i'd be worth a ****in fortune!!.I'm trying to blot it out with Carlsberg Export at the mo....

[Ginola's Son]

Sure, but make sense of it. Players don't decide their own game-plan or team play. It's all down to management. What happens if it's decided that Jol has "lost the dressing-room"? Then fans would start to blanketly blame him. How many times have you seen players from failing sides say: "We all back the manager, it's not his fault"? A lot. But the manager always leaves because he's in charge.

I have made a point of not blaming him, and I still love the guy and think he's done a tremendous job. But today....It's just too much. I have my pride and I just can't BEAR it. I've gotta go round my missus's parents tonight both of whom are scum fans...and love to make my life a misery. City get to beat Utd, Everton beat Liverpool last year. We just NEVER get to beat Arsenal. Jol is in hot water now, this one hurts BAD>

[LifeTimeYido]

Ha Ha and ****ing Ha, you are a donut.:rolleyes:

MMMMMMMMMM donuts.....

[jrio]

I'm cool mate, it's just this **** who thinks that he knows it all and offends participants families, I will not except. I know it's a forum but there is a limit.

It's "accept", but then you didn't attend school enough or pay attention to know that. And that's your fault.

Debate on the issues, but you won't because you lack the intelligence to debate them. I don't know it all but I have a view and can articulate it.

[peterc]

How come spurs supporters were so quite in stadium... even when we went 1 0 up... and the gooners didn't ****ing shut up!!!

You mean quiet, however, I don't know which station you listened to, but the one I was listening too had Spur fans giving it their usual best.

[Ginola's Son]

Jrio - You should debate the issues and stop the literacy jibes. It's really uncool.

[peterc]

It's "accept", but then you didn't attend school enough or pay attention to know that. And that's your fault.
My apologies for my error, something I might be more educated than you are, I know when to apologise.
Debate on the issues, but you won't because you lack the intelligence to debate them. I don't know it all but I have a view and can articulate it.

Jrio, as I said before you will never admit or agree to other opinions, you have proven this on the many threads we have had the zzzzzzzzzz to read. Professor Jrio, my backside.:rolleyes:

[jrio]

I have made a point of not blaming him, and I still love the guy and think he's done a tremendous job. But today....It's just too much. I have my pride and I just can't BEAR it. I've gotta go round my missus's parents tonight both of whom are scum fans...and love to make my life a misery. City get to beat Utd, Everton beat Liverpool last year. We just NEVER get to beat Arsenal. Jol is in hot water now, this one hurts BAD>

Even more hurtful - last manager to beat Arse was GG! It's been happening for a long time. Spurs-Arse has been in massive inbalance for a long time, just like with Chelski for 15 odd years. Everton beat Liverpool 3 nil last season, a large defeat, City have hammered United a few times and beat them only a few weeks ago. Professor Wenger seems to completely overawe us. Or at least the managers we've had.

[jrio]

Jrio - You should debate the issues and stop the literacy jibes. It's really uncool.

So easy though, when you have forumers who really shouldn't have the right to be here - easy to resort to abuse without having any resort to reasoned opinions - and contribute little, other than having a pop at straw men. Yes, we all have families, they've all been ill, some died, some recovered, but the most mature of us realise that these are not issues that have relevance to posts on this forum.

[Ginola's Son]

Even more hurtful - last manager to beat Arse was GG! It's been happening for a long time. Spurs-Arse has been in massive inbalance for a long time, just like with Chelski for 15 odd years. Everton beat Liverpool 3 nil last season, a large defeat, City have hammered United a few times and beat them only a few weeks ago. Professor Wenger seems to completely overawe us. Or at least the managers we've had.

Well, you know I liked GG, but that's another story. I remember the euphoria I felt in 99 when we beat em, little did I know I wouldn't feel it again for at least 8 years and counting. We just always seem to go a goal up in this game only to be turned over, we just offer ourselves up for embarrasment, and Arse gleefully gobble it up, you can't blame them, they're a great footballing side, they've won league titles and many a cup while we've sat back with our jealous faces and watched on...this has created an unbeleivable inferiority complex, and thats players and fans alike. Until this is cured, we'll never beat em.

[Ginola's Son]

So easy though, when you have forumers who really shouldn't have the right to be here - easy to resort to abuse without having any resort to reasoned opinions - and contribute little, other than having a pop at straw men. Yes, we all have families, they've all been ill, some died, some recovered, but the most mature of us realise that these are not issues that have relevance to posts on this forum.

Well, you really need to just let this people rave and concentrate on the proper members. You wanna take me on? I'll give you a proper debate...LOL. George Graham was great! Suck on that! Hehehe

[Spur]

Ok...I have read alot of the posts from after I left today, but not all.

How about we all get back to the football?

Oh and Pete, you really need to sort yourself out.

[peterc]

So easy though, when you have forumers who really shouldn't have the right to be here - easy to resort to abuse without having any resort to reasoned opinions - and contribute little, other than having a pop at straw men. Yes, we all have families, they've all been ill, some died, some recovered, but the most mature of us realise that these are not issues that have relevance to posts on this forum.

You have proven to everyone what a fickle character you are, if you read this thread properly you should understand why.

[peterc]

Ok...I have read alot of the posts from after I left today, but not all.

How about we all get back to the football?

Oh and Pete, you really need to sort yourself out.

Oh and Spur go back where you were.

[Spur]

Oh and Spur go back where you were.

Or what? You gonna ask for a time and a place to meet up?

Sort yourself out. Your already the reason why people leave this forum your gonna be the reason even more leave.

[peterc]

Or what? You gonna ask for a time and a place to meet up?
Wow, you scare me Spur,
Sort yourself out. Your already the reason why people leave this forum your gonna be the reason even more leave.

Or maybe they are getting fed up because whenever they express their opinions that are not liked by you and Professor Jrio, they get abuse and sarcastic remarks, that's seems to be more the reason why they are leaving and I'm sure that Neil is fully aware of this situation.

[Keanoldinho]

****!!!!!!

[Spur]

Or maybe they are getting fed up because whenever they express their opinions that is not liked by you and Professor Jrio, they get abuse and sarcastic remarks, that's seems to be more the reason why they are leaving and I'm sure that Neil is fully aware of this situation.

Doubt that mate, people either agree with me or jrio as me and jrio seem to disagree on most things.

On you however, we both believe your an egg.

[LifeTimeYido]

To be honest - this is way more fun than talking about how Spurs ****ed up - again.

[peterc]

Doubt that mate, people either agree with me or jrio as me and jrio seem to disagree on most things.
I am sure that many will agree that you are two of a kind.
On you however, we both believe your an egg.
I might be an egg, wonder what others describe you and Jrio as fickle supporters maybe? morons?, etc etc,etc. :rolleyes:

[peterc]

To be honest - this is way more fun than talking about how Spurs ****ed up - again.

Totally agree but you get the few who seem to want to take over.:p

[jrio]

Doubt that mate, people either agree with me or jrio as me and jrio seem to disagree on most things.


Not sure I can make complete sense of that. :D

Surely the point is we disagree, however passionately, yet can find some rationale in our views other than saying "he's shit, that's shit, he's good, they're good"? And thinking the team operates outside of the management makes little sense.

[Spur]

I might be an egg, wonder what others describe you and Jrio as fickle supporters maybe? morons?, etc etc,etc. :rolleyes:

I can't keep going on at you. Your eclipsing your own ignorance.

[Spur]

Not sure I can make complete sense of that. :D

Surely the point is we disagree, however passionately, yet can find some rationale in our views other than saying "he's shit, that's shit, he's good, they're good"? And thinking the team operates outside of the management makes little sense.

Yeah that's what I mean. We tend to disagree but can both at least see it from both sides. We've discussed this and similar recently anyway. I think.

[peterc]

I can't keep going on at you. Your eclipsing your own ignorance.

Damn your disease spreads fast.:p

[SurreySpur]

Peterc, try and calm down and focus on Spurs rather than being obsessed with what others say. If you start to try to put your point across better and maybe accept what others have to say you might be accepted more. Spur and Jrio and many others all disagree on a lot of issues but they can get along(most of the time, naming no names choda and jrio ;) ), because they take the time to think through and structure their views without nessecerily trying to aggrievate other forumers. It is possible to have a decent cnversation with someone that has completely different views.

If i'm being honest with you, you've made 568posts and i cant think of a single one that was worth reading, all i remember are your bullshit posts during stupid little spats with various people. Its very easy to take offence on here but try to rise above it a bit. Coz most of the time there is nothing to get worked up about.

Basically, just chill out and lay off the slanging matches a bit. Sometimes its best to let things go pal.

[Spur]

Damn your disease spreads fast.:p

Now who's saying the wrong things?

Someone else comment on this.

I mean, what if I had just had a disease?

Yea OK Jrio, I agree, 14 years old sounds about right. Maybe 12 or 13. Is this the famous Ricky H? We said it before numerous times, I think it's time for Mr JJ the forum defender to start deleting someone...

[jrio]

Yeah that's what I mean. We tend to disagree but can both at least see it from both sides. We've discussed this and similar recently anyway. I think.

I think, as choda said, we tend to remember the bits we disagree on. Mostly there is a large measure of agreement, not just us but with most members. If you added it up, generally each forumer probably has no more than a 20% disagreement on issues. If we didn't, what would we post about? We all love each other and recognise we're the geniuses that outsiders don't?

[SurreySpur]

Cool, ive had enough wine now......i feel more calm about things now.

[peterc]

Now who's saying the wrong things?

Someone else comment on this.

I mean, what if I had just had a disease?
You do have one ,it's called bullshit
Yea OK Jrio, I agree, 14 years old sounds about right. Maybe 12 or 13. Is this the famous Ricky H? We said it before numerous times, I think it's time for Mr JJ the forum defender to start deleting someone...

Spur go and **** yourself, you talk a load of shit.

[SurreySpur]

Who's the ****ing scouse twit on talksport? he just made me punch my PC in rage. And there i was thinking that the wine had calmed me down!! hmmm

[peterc]

Who's the ****ing scouse twit on talksport? he just made me punch my PC in rage. And there i was thinking that the wine had calmed me down!! hmmm

We are all on edge at the moment, losing to the scum tends to affect most of us in some way or other.

[LifeTimeYido]

Spur go and **** yourself, you talk a load of shit.



Truly you are doing yourself no favours - yet again you show your true colours.

I feel that you need to grow up a little and try to be a little less base and a little more constructive, you will end up alienating yourself from everyone on the forum with your childish retorts.

If you want to verbally abuse people some more do it here

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=60357#post60357

and not on a football relataed thread please, some of us actually want to talk about Spurs.

[LifeTimeYido]

Who's the ****ing scouse twit on talksport? he just made me punch my PC in rage. And there i was thinking that the wine had calmed me down!! hmmm


What he say ??

[peterc]

Truly you are doing yourself no favours - yet again you show your true colours.

I feel that you need to grow up a little and try to be a little less base and a little more constructive, you will end up alienating yourself from everyone on the forum with your childish retorts.

If you want to verbally abuse people some more do it here

http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=60357#post60357

and not on a football relataed thread please, some of us actually want to talk about Spurs.

Cheers pal and I have posted accordingly.

[SurreySpur]

What he say ??


He's just a manc/scouse prick that clearly knows **** all about football but still takes the piss out of spurs. the fans being deluded, the stadium being quiet, the whole club being a launghing stock for the last 30years, calling all southerners soft and dull.

[shakey18]

Isn't it that prick Terry Christian?.Manc ****.He's like most dj's on talksport-wind people up to get a response.******.

[SurreySpur]

Ah yeah thats him. the ****wit that used to be on that programme with Dani Behr

[shakey18]

Ah yeah thats him. the ****wit that used to be on that programme with Dani Behr

....and SHE was the intellectual aspect of the word!.

[SurreySpur]

Just heard that Man Utd are 4-1 to win the title.....good odds i think. might put a ton on that at some point.

[choda]

I'd just like to say that in a shambles nothing works well, not even 50 million pounds worth of striking talent.

We are a shambles at this point. Those who are able to see the big picture and the long term problems are of course correct, instead of reacting and blaming proven strikers that always score goals unless they are in temporary bad form or operating in an overall shambles.

I mean it's not like one of them is having trouble, it is all of them having a bad time. It's rather like the start of last year, when people were saying the same thing.

The worst thing is Jol often comes out with this bullshit as well instead of realy knowing the root of the problems. These strikers do it for him when you get them good ball and support. If they are isolated, feeding on scraps and cold when they get their chances then it's not going to work the way you want.

I mean we conceded three goals at home (and I'm told we could have conceded more), were very much outplayed and people are blaming our strikers!

The mind boggles.

[shakey18]

I think the simple fact is our central midfielders are just not good enough, and our organisation in defence is pathetic.We have quality defenders, but we ALWAYS get hit from set-pieces, and we are susceptable to getting hit from a long range shot.We need to look at our defensive coaching, and whatever we have been trying to do for the last 2 years, to change it.If we can do that, we can progress.For me Boateng and Tarby HAVE to start the next game, just to see what they can do.Let's be fair, they can't do any worse.We look good when we go forward so WHY do we drop back when we go in front?.Bale, again has been a revelation, so play him left, and Lennon/Tarby right.Last season our fortunes changed when we decided to attack more, most notibly in away games at Man City and Everton.Come January, we need to buy midfielders, but not the shite we've bought so far.We need quality, and steel.Chuck a silly bid in for the likes of Arteta, someone who can change a game in an instant.I also think that if CH takes defensive training, he needs to go.

[Keanoldinho]

I'd just like to say that in a shambles nothing works well, not even 50 million pounds worth of striking talent.

We are a shambles at this point. Those who are able to see the big picture and the long term problems are of course correct, instead of reacting and blaming proven strikers that always score goals unless they are in temporary bad form or operating in an overall shambles.

I mean it's not like one of them is having trouble, it is all of them having a bad time. It's rather like the start of last year, when people were saying the same thing.

The worst thing is Jol often comes out with this bullshit as well instead of realy knowing the root of the problems. These strikers do it for him when you get them good ball and support. If they are isolated, feeding on scraps and cold when they get their chances then it's not going to work the way you want.

I mean we conceded three goals at home (and I'm told we could have conceded more), were very much outplayed and people are blaming our strikers!

The mind boggles.


you didn't watch the game did u? na didn't think so

the ****n strikers had great service and support they just did **** all with it keano missed 2 sitters, Berba missed 2 sitters, and Bent missed 2 sitters. They had plenty of clear cut chances they just didn't finish them off. Arsenal never woulda scored their 3rd goal if we weren't chasing the game. If the strikers had a taken their chances we woulda won 3-2 or 4-3.

[denis-cro]

I'd just like to say that in a shambles nothing works well, not even 50 million pounds worth of striking talent.

We are a shambles at this point. Those who are able to see the big picture and the long term problems are of course correct, instead of reacting and blaming proven strikers that always score goals unless they are in temporary bad form or operating in an overall shambles.

I mean it's not like one of them is having trouble, it is all of them having a bad time. It's rather like the start of last year, when people were saying the same thing.

The worst thing is Jol often comes out with this bullshit as well instead of realy knowing the root of the problems. These strikers do it for him when you get them good ball and support. If they are isolated, feeding on scraps and cold when they get their chances then it's not going to work the way you want.

I mean we conceded three goals at home (and I'm told we could have conceded more), were very much outplayed and people are blaming our strikers!

The mind boggles.

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[choda]

you didn't watch the game did u? na didn't think so

the ****n strikers had great service and support they just did **** all with it keano missed 2 sitters, Berba missed 2 sitters, and Bent missed 2 sitters. They had plenty of clear cut chances they just didn't finish them off. Arsenal never woulda scored their 3rd goal if we weren't chasing the game. If the strikers had a taken their chances we woulda won 3-2 or 4-3.

I'm going to watch it later but I guarantee you I'm right. After all it's not about one game, it's about many many games.

At this point no part of the team is playing well, correct? And if you break our team down we have coveted players all over the place, yes? So what is costing us is obviously errors from the management that has now spiralled into a shambles where nobody is playing well. It's not the first time either I might add.

I'm praying for Ramos or Lippi at this point. Then we might play to our potential and kick on from there. We'd also win some derby matches!

Player for player we are as good as Arsenal, but they are pissing on us. It's embarassing.

[MACCSPURS]

As I heard on the radio, watched live over the net and now seeing again on MOTD...

We were second best.

Yes, we had a few chances but even if Berbs had scored (and he should have) we still would have lost 3-2.

For the amount of time Jol has had, along with the money spent, we should have improved season upon season and remain consistent.

We are no better now than we have been for years.

Frankly, ever since the bored made Jol's job impossible, it's pretty much the end for Jol as far as I can see. It's just a matter of time now.

[RuFuS]

FFs did you watch the game ??? Did you saw Arsenal chances ??? If every player have scored its own chance the final result will be 4-7 to scum !!!!

Where did we have 3 other chances ?
In the first half they hit the bar.Rolled one across the goal line,Which if Henry had been there he would have got to and Robbo tipped one over.
Almunia DID NOT MAKE ONE SAVE IN THE ENTIRE 90 MINS.

[mjbmedia]

god there are some 'interesting' people on here are there not?

maybe they can guarantee they think theyre right, doesnt mean they are, it just means they agree with their own views and some others will agree with it too , whooppeee, some will disagree with it too and possibly be either directly or indirectly insulted for it .

and so the forum continues with those thinking theyre right sooo desperate for more people to agree with them that theyll dissect every post and reply with paragraph upon paragraph of nothing new , whilst flatly refusing to even contemplate they could possibly be even slightly misguided themselves.

having not seen the game many on here were already stating this, rubbishing that etc etc just from radio commentary or titbits picked up here and there, its amazing how clever those people must be.

Yes its a forum , open for DISCUSSION, not for cheap shots cleverly (or not so clever) wrapped up in words so as to be veiled to some so therefore not seen as direct insults as in calling someone a ****ing **** would be, but nonetheless insulting others intelligence, beliefs, passion, views simply cos they dont agree with them and see themselves as 'wiser, better, more knowledgeable' than those they are supposedly i discussion with.

If half of what is said on here by the aforementioned type of peoples was said face to face there wouldnt be many faces left with which to say those words. Thats not a silly threat in any way, just an observation.
Agree with me or not, i dont really care, its my view right or wrong. But it seems to be spoiling the forum more and more.

Nobody knows enough to be right, nobody knows too little to be wrong ,difference of opinions is all it is , who gets the last word isnt always the winner.

So endeth todays lesson . Amen. :cool:

[mjbmedia]

Where did we have 3 other chances ?
In the first half they hit the bar.Rolled one across the goal line,Which if Henry had been there he would have got to and Robbo tipped one over.
Almunia DID NOT MAKE ONE SAVE IN THE ENTIRE 90 MINS.
thats funny, what the hell did Keanes 1-1 shot come off of then if it wasnt Almunia???? time for a new memory stick?? :D

he didnt need to make saves cos our forwards ****ed up the chances and one was blocked off the line when Berbs should have put it away then the follow up header went over, you only need to save the ones that are on target , i dont mean that to sound patronising tho.

[SurreySpur]

Ive just seen highlights and Our chances were a lot more clear cut than they looked on the stream earlier. Berba should have easily had two, The Hudd should have had one and Darren Bents miss was shocking.

where do we go from here?

[spursmadnick06]

Don't think anyone can really complain about service to the strikers as they have been getting it in abundance in the last few games. Let's blame the overpaid front men for being so useless in front of goal!

[shakey18]

god there are some 'interesting' people on here are there not?

maybe they can guarantee they think theyre right, doesnt mean they are, it just means they agree with their own views and some others will agree with it too , whooppeee, some will disagree with it too and possibly be either directly or indirectly insulted for it .

and so the forum continues with those thinking theyre right sooo desperate for more people to agree with them that theyll dissect every post and reply with paragraph upon paragraph of nothing new , whilst flatly refusing to even contemplate they could possibly be even slightly misguided themselves.

having not seen the game many on here were already stating this, rubbishing that etc etc just from radio commentary or titbits picked up here and there, its amazing how clever those people must be.

Yes its a forum , open for DISCUSSION, not for cheap shots cleverly (or not so clever) wrapped up in words so as to be veiled to some so therefore not seen as direct insults as in calling someone a ****ing **** would be, but nonetheless insulting others intelligence, beliefs, passion, views simply cos they dont agree with them and see themselves as 'wiser, better, more knowledgeable' than those they are supposedly i discussion with.

If half of what is said on here by the aforementioned type of peoples was said face to face there wouldnt be many faces left with which to say those words. Thats not a silly threat in any way, just an observation.
Agree with me or not, i dont really care, its my view right or wrong. But it seems to be spoiling the forum more and more.

Nobody knows enough to be right, nobody knows too little to be wrong ,difference of opinions is all it is , who gets the last word isnt always the winner.

So endeth todays lesson . Amen. :cool:

I think over reactions are to blame-especially after losing to the scum.Assumptions have been made today that are not true, and there are posters on here that wind regulars right up, and who post total shite.Prehaps they should bhe ignored.....

[berbzy 'G']

I can't except it that we lost... I'm gonna get so much abuse on Monday morning from scum supporters... Who we got next Bolton, Think we'll lose that too you know... I'm beyond shocked...

[TURKISH]

It's a shame first half we played great football but still manage to look shaky at the back. Second half started well and only if we would of went two nil up then i think we would of been good for the 3 points.

We missed easy chances but so did arsenal but if you look at there last two goals they took the hardest chance off the game. A big shame and for me hudd in the second half was letting cesc run riot.

Most of all i think most of our defeats this seasons has not been against the team it's been against ourselfs, we keep shooting ourself in the foot. :(

[choda]

god there are some 'interesting' people on here are there not?

maybe they can guarantee they think theyre right, doesnt mean they are, it just means they agree with their own views and some others will agree with it too , whooppeee, some will disagree with it too and possibly be either directly or indirectly insulted for it .

and so the forum continues with those thinking theyre right sooo desperate for more people to agree with them that theyll dissect every post and reply with paragraph upon paragraph of nothing new , whilst flatly refusing to even contemplate they could possibly be even slightly misguided themselves.

having not seen the game many on here were already stating this, rubbishing that etc etc just from radio commentary or titbits picked up here and there, its amazing how clever those people must be.

Yes its a forum , open for DISCUSSION, not for cheap shots cleverly (or not so clever) wrapped up in words so as to be veiled to some so therefore not seen as direct insults as in calling someone a ****ing **** would be, but nonetheless insulting others intelligence, beliefs, passion, views simply cos they dont agree with them and see themselves as 'wiser, better, more knowledgeable' than those they are supposedly i discussion with.

If half of what is said on here by the aforementioned type of peoples was said face to face there wouldnt be many faces left with which to say those words. Thats not a silly threat in any way, just an observation.
Agree with me or not, i dont really care, its my view right or wrong. But it seems to be spoiling the forum more and more.

Nobody knows enough to be right, nobody knows too little to be wrong ,difference of opinions is all it is , who gets the last word isnt always the winner.

So endeth todays lesson . Amen. :cool:

I take it this as at least partly aimed in my direction given the references.

I think blaming the strikers is baloney that's all, it wasn't a personal attack. We are all upset about today. Maybe we are being a bit more aggressive about our views.

But there is some recurring nonsense that you keep on coming out with in these 'forum moderator' posts. It's getting on my tits as I'm sure it is getting on others too:

I'm just going to be polite and say that it is utter nonsense.

I mean I was aghast yesterday that you defended Juice on that thread, when I thought he was behaving like a total arse and would have wagered so did everybody else, but you didn't. That sorta says it all.

As for the thinly veiled insults I think most of those are coming from you mate in thread commentry posts you are doing. And real life is nothing like a forum, they are totally different mediums as Jrio explained earlier. After all do you make speeches like the writing that you just did on this forum? No, you don't.

[Keanoldinho]

Ive just seen highlights and Our chances were a lot more clear cut than they looked on the stream earlier. Berba should have easily had two, The Hudd should have had one and Darren Bents miss was shocking.

where do we go from here?


and don't forget Keanos 1 on 1 **** up, no defenders pressuring him or anything he just hit it right at the keeper. If Defoe doesn't start in the next game he needs to hand in a transfer request because the 3 ****s who were up front today need to sit the **** down and watch for afew games.

[Keanoldinho]

I take it this as at least partly aimed in my direction given the references.

I think blaming the strikers is baloney that's all, it wasn't a personal attack. We are all upset about today. Maybe we are being a bit more aggressive about our views.

But there is some recurring nonsense that you keep on coming out with in these 'forum moderator' posts. It's getting on my tits as I'm sure it is getting on others too:

I'm just going to be polite and say that it is utter nonsense.

I mean I was aghast yesterday that you defended Juice on that thread, when I thought he was behaving like a total arse and would have wagered so did everybody else, but you didn't. That sorta says it all.

As for the thinly veiled insults I think most of those are coming from you mate in thread commentry posts you are doing. And real life is nothing like a forum, they are totally different mediums as Jrio explained earlier. After all do you make speeches like the writing that you just did on this forum? No, you don't.


answer me this if a supposed world class striker is 1 on 1 with a back up keeper and doesn't have any defenders pressuring him should he ****ing score?

I think he should just my opinion though and I'm not just talking about Keane I'm talking about the 3 bastards

[choda]

answer me this if a supposed world class striker is 1 on 1 with a back up keeper and doesn't have any defenders pressuring him should he ****ing score?

I think he should just my opinion though

Yea, but the whole team is in trouble at the minute. I've already made my points on that.

[SCIFIN17YID]

answer me this if a supposed world class striker is 1 on 1 with a back up keeper and doesn't have any defenders pressuring him should he ****ing score?

I think he should just my opinion though and I'm not just talking about Keane I'm talking about the 3 bastards

You seriously have a point there !

[JuicE]

This whole thread has been totally ****ing histerical! Great entertainment and i even got a mention, wicked! :)



Now, are we gonna get a few wins this season?

[mjbmedia]

This whole thread has been totally ****ing histerical! Great entertainment and i even got a mention, wicked! :)



Now, are we gonna get a few wins this season?
**** me, didnt expect you to be sober enough to type for a few days after the Cricket,the rugby and then the NLD , you sure you aint got a secretary. :D

[RuFuS]

thats funny, what the hell did Keanes 1-1 shot come off of then if it wasnt Almunia????.

To honest i didn't really count that as a "save" more of a block but fair enough. Mind you having seen Robbies 1 on 1's before i would have had Almunia to get the better of Robbie in any case.

[JuicE]

**** me, didnt expect you to be sober enough to type for a few days after the Cricket,the rugby and then the NLD , you sure you aint got a secretary. :D

You are a legend!!!! I love ya! ;)

[Gino Ginelli]

Ok, I have now seen the football first extended highlights (twice) and believe I can now make a balanced review of yesterday's game. Yesterday saw a lot of anger and upset, as is only natural after that result. I personally felt that I saw it coming, and merely despaired at the inevitable. But here's my views after a good nights sleep.

Robbo: He's getting a lot of flak for the goals, and is getting called on to be dropped. The equlaliser, Adebayors header, he came a fraction too early for, allowing the striker to get in front of him. But then hang on, who's that marking Adebayor? Bale? How come one of the CB's, ohh I dunno, Kaboul, wasn't marking him? Someone who can compete in the air? More baffling set piece tactics I feel. But other than this Robbo was heroic for us today. He made a hatful of superb, vital stops all game long. If not for him it would have been a lot worse.

Daws/Kaboul: Even for conceding 3 goals, I can't fault them too much. They need time to gel but they both seemed composed. Daws could have probably pressured Adebayor better for that 3rd sublime goal, but the rest of the game he was fine, getting back to his best. Kaboul is alarming in his tendency to bomb forward, but it isn't too often I suppose. At least someone does.

Chimbo: Lost his focus today, and is really missing Lennon in front of him, as he is still having to do two jobs right now. But Arsenal got in behind us down the flanks way too much as he kept drifting in. They really should have scored when they hit the bar. Get Lennon on that right flank so he can concentrate, now!

Lee: Did ok, worked hard, but was wasteful in possession too often. Rather ineffectual today.

Malbranque: Ran his little socks into the ground, but remains tirelessly ineffectual. Aside from a great ball over the top for Berabtov (I'll get to him) all he managed to do was highlight that he is simply not good enough against opposition like that. For a mid-table/relegation fodder Fulham, great! But top six/four? Sorry - next!

JJ/Hudd: For all of JJ's running, and Tom's presence, these two were like vapour today. Hardly left our half after we scored, they were ripped asunder by Fabregas, Helb et al. JJ was chasing the ball and the game for pretty much the entirety of Arsenal's possesion, just giving away daft fouls and yellow cards. He's a fine workhorse, but like Steed, just can't compete with players that good,despite his through ball for Bent. As for Hudd, well he can sure hit that ball hard, but it needs to be at least AT the goal. Can I ask what the point in paying 5m for Germany's young player of the year as a reserve player, when that's exactly what we need here? Hmmmm...
But even when hanging back like that, when the pressure came, they so often left the centre of the park wide open, giving Fabregas plenty of time to set himself to score, just as we did with Nani at Old Trafford. Concentration was not at a premium here. Oh what I'd give for a Carrick/Davids or even a Mendes/Davis right now. Or even a Brown/Davies!! *sigh*

Bale: A shining light, that I only worry will be wearing Red next season if we don't buck up. We all knew about his setpieces, so wonderful to see him start at WHL like that. Cracking finish, he found the only gap that the ball could get through, and with great power. As well as that he continues to complement Lee on the left flank, bombing up and down the flank, covering the attacks, and giving great delivery. A shame he hobbled off, I hope he's back soon.

Lennon: Well didn't do much wrong really, but didn't do much full stop. Was expecting a Taarabt/greyhound out the starting block like performance, but sadly no. His pace and creativity nullified by the negative tactics and his inability to use his left foot. Put him on the right already!

Keane: I'm his (2nd) biggest fan, but he needs dropping for a spell. His confidence in front of goal is shot, and is really suffering some bad form right now. He should really put his 1 on 1 away, but Almunia did close him down well and made a good block so not entirely shite, but a red hot Robbie would have skinned him or lobbed him. Dawson or Robbo should be made captain for the next game and Bent should start the next 6 games. He's still as busy as ever, getting into good positions, dropping back and creating. But we need clinical finishing right now, that simple.

Berbatov: Ok, tough one. Should have scored when rounding Almunia. He still needed to get past the last defender, who did well. But a simple toe poke would have put it past him and into the net, and Berba knows that. But he still saw more of the ball than any other supposedly 'attacking' players. He still showed his sublime touch and his passing. If not for the goal line clearance he would have scored another. Out of all the failing strikers he was at least trying. Don't drop him yet.

Bent: Didn't get much time, but when you get a golden one on one like that you at least hit the target! He still shows the pace and power we lack up front to get into that position, but he needs the next 6 games to start so that his finishing gets back to it's devastating best. 16.5m to me says play him now!

Jol: Right, here we go... Don't sack him. Yesterday was a mess. He needs to tidy it up and make it work again. He knows how to make it work, 2004 to 2006 can testify to that, so he needs to get us back there. He has the players so he needs to use them. KPB, Taarabt, Bent: he needs to start using them and using them properly, example - Lennon on the right please. Chimbo is floundering without him in front of him. And don't remove a players creativity by telling him to hang back. He needs to get over this idea that we can defend leads against top opposition. Occasions like Chelsea/Arse last year, Man U this season and Arse yesterday prove that we cannot do that, but if we push up on them we can score and win. The likes of Chelsea & Everton in the 90's worked out that if you just go at Man Utd you will get results. But if you fear them and try to defend deep you'll get punished.

Lennon - Hudd - Bale to an extent, need to be bombing into attack rather than hanging back awaiting pressure, a la Eriksson's England. More positivity Martin, like 2004/05 & 2005/06. Where's the zip, flair and hi octane play from those years gone? (Dare I say it left with Carrick/Davids and when Jol stopped playing Mido & Defoe?) I don't know if politics are at play, but he needs to stop sticking with the same old players and take some risks here - Bale at LB and Taarabt in front. KPB and Zokora in the middle. Lennon on the right FFS, and Bent up top. C'mon, at least try em out on Thursday!

Let's look at yesterday's opponents. Another young team with relative inexperience. People laughed at Wenger for playing them in last years cups, but he stuck by them saying 'these players will win trophies.' He doesn't look wrong. My god they're good. And he has them playing so positive. Their defence is their attack, swift, confident and clinical. Fabregas & Adebayor look awesome, and their goals reflect their ability. So where's it different here? Young players, bags of talent and effort, yet we look back instead of forwards, when our strength so obviously lies in going forwards. Look at JJ. Under Robson he was a flying pacey attacking player, often on the flank, always impressing. Souness drops him 'cos he's a shite manager and doesn't know how to utilise attacking players. Jol takes him and turns him into a workhorse negative defensive player. If Jol took him and said 'right, you will be our creative outlet and have license to bomb forward ash much ash you like' I reckon the leash would be off and he'd be amazing. I am actually thinking that our tactics nullify JJ's potential.

Aside from this, what's up with the passing? Barely a decent set of passes was strung together. We were woeful in possession, with no accuracy and minimum movement. Jol needs to go and really drill passing into them this week, and up that twice a week set piece training to once a day. Finishing wouldn't go amiss either. Hell, in fact keep fitness to the required minimum this week and just focus on technical skills like , oh I don't know, kicking the ball in a straight line for a week.

We have a nice long string of games now, with the potential to get a rythmn going and ressurect the team. I hope he gives the players we're clamouring for a full match on Thursday so he can see that he needs them. As I said, don't sack him despite yesterday, he needs to fix this, and he knows how because he's done it before. He just needs to find that old rythmn from the season before last and it'll click. We know it's there and so does he. If he goes then we start all over again, back to the drawing board.

Don't let tomorrow get you down. Focus on the football, look forward to a new European campaign, and try and enjoy the game you love. This isn't blind optimism, it's something I can genuinely see. All it required was a little time and some focus. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to buy a paper to read up some more on this great game of ours.

COYS.

P.s. S****horpe lost as well yesterday, so last night REALLY sucked!

[JuicE]

What really puts it in perspective is that wast ham are in 5th!!!! :eek:

[peterc]

What really puts it in perspective is that wast ham are in 5th!!!! :eek:

It's still early days. come Xmas, we shall see the positions then COYS

[berbzy 'G']

I just want next season to start and this one hurry up and finish...

[Keanoldinho]

how long is the football first extended highlights 20 or 30 minutes?

[Gino Ginelli]

how long is the football first extended highlights 20 or 30 minutes?

An hour, with 30 mins from each half.

[spurs4ever]

Well if Jol isn´ t sacked after this match I´ m quiting Spurs until he´s replaced with someone else...stupid idiot....

lol fair weather fan

[spurs4ever]

I just want next season to start and this one hurry up and finish...


yes Spurs in the Championship will mean cheaper tickets. That way you bunch of so called fans will get off this forum and go watch Spurs lose in the flesh.... LIKE REAL FANS!!

[SurreySpur]

yes Spurs in the Championship will mean cheaper tickets. That way you bunch of so called fans will get off this forum and go watch Spurs lose in the flesh.... LIKE REAL FANS!!

Yeah, as if the board would lower prices!!!

They'd consider it a championship challenging season:p

[denis-cro]

lol fair weather fan

It was moment of madness ... so angry by watching the match... it was easier to write that, than crush a TV :) ...anyway, supporting Spurs since 1991, and I don´t think quiting now...;)

[spurs4ever]

It was moment of madness ... so angry by watching the match... it was easier to write that, than crush a TV :) ...anyway, supporting Spurs since 1991, and I don´t think quiting now...;)


Good for you..... SPURS need losers to support it, so they can carry on losing against the MIGHTY GUNNERS!!

[Gino Ginelli]

Good for you..... SPURS need losers to support it, so they can carry on losing against the MIGHTY GUNNERS!!

I don't think I liked the air from that post. I hope you're being sarcastic...

[SurreySpur]

I don't think I liked the air from that post. I hope you're being sarcastic...

Ive just had a similar response on another thread, is this bloke a gooner or yet another **** on the forum?

[Thfc4Life]

Ive just had a similar response on another thread, is this bloke a gooner or yet another **** on the forum?

I'd say more than likely both ;)

[mjbmedia]

Hes a dead man walking ;)

[JuicE]

He's a GOONER and he's taking the piss out of everyone so far!

[singapore spur]

good post from gino a page back

for what its worth my view on this thread and the game ,

some really disgusting comments about jol early on , whatever your view of him as a manger , he does not deserve to treated this way by spurs fans . he has done well for us , and has carried on with dignity , style , humour and class , in the face of shite from the board , some bad breaks and with the constant threat of sacking all over the media .
yes i agree with most, it is becoming more apparent that he may not be able to take us to the next level , but there is no call to turn on the guy that we all , or the majority was seeing as a saviour only a couple of months back . there is nothing so unedfying as seeing "fans" turn on their previous heroes .
someone mentioned towards the start of this thread that bill nick would be turning in his grave on some of the performances , no , he would be heartbroken seeing the fans turn on the team and the abuse on here .

as regards the game , i thought the team actually battled well but were ultimately undone by the fluency and passing and positional interchange of what is a good arsenal team with fabrigas running the show , (how good is he going to get ?)
the progression of their young players and the confidence and skill they play with in comparison to ours was a fairly damning indictment of jols tenure here , their individual players are not better than ours , (fabrigas excepted) they just play better as a team,and that has to come down to the coaching .
our strikers should have done better , and we could and should have gone 2-0 up but wouldnt have deserved it in all honesty , and i too have finally come round to the idea of jol leaving , as much as it hurts me to say . he just isnt getting the best out of what i think is a talented squad , but i will support him here while he is boss , and wont sink to slagging off the big man .

[choda]

you didn't watch the game did u? na didn't think so

the ****n strikers had great service and support they just did **** all with it keano missed 2 sitters, Berba missed 2 sitters, and Bent missed 2 sitters. They had plenty of clear cut chances they just didn't finish them off. Arsenal never woulda scored their 3rd goal if we weren't chasing the game. If the strikers had a taken their chances we woulda won 3-2 or 4-3.

Well I did get to see the highlights and I totally stand by what I said, even more so now actually.

The chances we had were great chances alright but even the best do miss chances sometimes. And there are also defenders and keepers to consider. For Keane's chance the keeper did really well. Yes, often he would have scored as would have berba when he got in but Toare did really well too. The other one Berba got his foot on it well but it went bang at Cliche, unfortunate. Bent's was pretty awful, but it happens.

Arsenal missed chances of their own, about DOUBLE the chances we had, so it's total folly in my view to blame our strikers. The truth is we were annihilated on general play and chances and it would have been some hit and run if our strikers had pulled out a win for us. As Spur pointed out it's the strikers that have been saving us for a long time now because the midfield and defence has been the consistantly poor part of the team. But whenever the strikers are having a bad time along with the others they get the blame from MJ and some fans. I find it amazing to be honest.

Yea, we could have gone 2-0 up, so what, Arsenal scored 3 and could have 6 more. If you want to go on chances if they were taken the score looked about 9-4 to Arsenal to me.

[canadaspur]

Choda, 2 goals TOTAL from our vaunted strikers this season is well ****ed & we are!

[choda]

Choda, 2 goals TOTAL from our vaunted strikers this season is well ****ed & we are!

Read my earlier posts for my views on it. I agree we are ****ed. We will be lucky to get back in the uefa with the way city, everton and newcastle are looking. We have better players but our team is a shambles.

[Keanoldinho]

Well I did get to see the highlights and I totally stand by what I said, even more so now actually.

The chances we had were great chances alright but even the best do miss chances sometimes. And there are also defenders and keepers to consider. For Keane's chance the keeper did really well. Yes, often he would have scored as would have berba when he got in but Toare did really well too. The other one Berba got his foot on it well but it went bang at Cliche, unfortunate. Bent's was pretty awful, but it happens.

Arsenal missed chances of their own, about DOUBLE the chances we had, so it's total folly in my view to blame our strikers. The truth is we were annihilated on general play and chances and it would have been some hit and run if our strikers had pulled out a win for us. As Spur pointed out it's the strikers that have been saving us for a long time now because the midfield and defence has been the consistantly poor part of the team. But whenever the strikers are having a bad time along with the others they get the blame from MJ and some fans. I find it amazing to be honest.

Yea, we could have gone 2-0 up, so what, Arsenal scored 3 and could have 6 more. If you want to go on chances if they were taken the score looked about 9-4 to Arsenal to me.


that's a load of utter shite they had 2 really good chances the Diaby crossbar and Adebayor **** up but we had about 4 or 5 clear cut quality chances. their 2nd goal shoulda been closed down by our centerbacks mainly Kaboul and they never woulda got the 3rd if we weren't chasing the game. And our midfield was battling especially Hudd he got stuck in to them. I watched the whole game all 90+ minutes not some poxy highlights.

[JuicE]

With Ramos in North London this week, will a win over the arse make him an honourary Spurs member, and will he be checking out the office at WHL? :eek:

[mjbmedia]

With Ramos in North London this week, will a win over the arse make him an honourary Spurs member, and will he be checking out the office at WHL? :eek:
who knows, but lets hope he tell the Spanish pigs to batter the shit out of the Arsenal fans the way they tried with our lads for no reason. :cool:

[mjbmedia]

I watched the whole game all 90+ minutes not some poxy highlights.
and ive watched it 4 times :( and we still lose :( :(

and despite watching it 4 times very closely and the last 2 times completely unemotionally, i still cant see what some on here must have watched to come out with some of the comments made . :D

[MiloMinderbinder]

Having just about managed to struggle back from WHL on Saturday and coped with the black mist of depression, may I now give my two pence worth;

The players were actually pretty decent bar maybe Keane who was running around like a headless chicken, congesting play and providing no support for Berba. Hudd can be said to be a huge (no pun intended) problem in that he can't track players at all, sorry as talented as he is there's no room for him in a four man midfield.

The real reason we lost and have done so badly this season is tactics, or the lack thereof. The gap from defence to midfield and midfield to attack is massive, our strikers have not performed due to the lack of support offered by the midfield, in case any one failed to notice, all too often Chimbonda provides the closest support to the strikers with no central midfield player moving forward to help.

The same can be said of the defence, with a lack of protection offered to it, Fabregas' goal being a perfect case in point. Indeed, all game he was allowed to run from deep without so much as a challenge offered, the ease with which he did so puts paid to the lie that Jenas is a good box to box player.

But as per usual the real issue was; go one up & sit one it....the classic Jolism. It's got to stop and there's only one way to stop it....there were 34,500 who knew what was going to happen and one guy that didn't, we were screaming for Lennon after the hour mark as an outlet and to stop Clichy raiding forward. As a further indication of incompetence Jol then sticks Lennon on the left! Wrong side you idiot.

Anyone that saw the game in full and still backs Jol is labouring under the false hope he'll come good, he won't and the longer he is persisted with the further away from our aims we will

[peterc]

I'd say more than likely both ;)

Must be boring on the Arse forum eh?

[olly27]

Not sure how much more I can take!...had to take day off work today (helps being self employed!) Have been on the liquor since saturday...and as a consequence have nothing rational to offer on the matter...apart from WTH.

[Spur]

Nice summary KingKeane.

[choda]

Having just about managed to struggle back from WHL on Saturday and coped with the black mist of depression, may I now give my two pence worth;

The players were actually pretty decent bar maybe Keane who was running around like a headless chicken, congesting play and providing no support for Berba. Hudd can be said to be a huge (no pun intended) problem in that he can't track players at all, sorry as talented as he is there's no room for him in a four man midfield.

The real reason we lost and have done so badly this season is tactics, or the lack thereof. The gap from defence to midfield and midfield to attack is massive, our strikers have not performed due to the lack of support offered by the midfield, in case any one failed to notice, all too often Chimbonda provides the closest support to the strikers with no central midfield player moving forward to help.

The same can be said of the defence, with a lack of protection offered to it, Fabregas' goal being a perfect case in point. Indeed, all game he was allowed to run from deep without so much as a challenge offered, the ease with which he did so puts paid to the lie that Jenas is a good box to box player.

But as per usual the real issue was; go one up & sit one it....the classic Jolism. It's got to stop and there's only one way to stop it....there were 34,500 who knew what was going to happen and one guy that didn't, we were screaming for Lennon after the hour mark as an outlet and to stop Clichy raiding forward. As a further indication of incompetence Jol then sticks Lennon on the left! Wrong side you idiot.

Anyone that saw the game in full and still backs Jol is labouring under the false hope he'll come good, he won't and the longer he is persisted with the further away from our aims we will

Great post mate. Question King Keane: The gaps that are all over the park, if a new man came in and got it properly organised is it possible that Huddlestone could then be fine almost immediately? He is more mobile than he was and we know how good he could become.

It seems to me no matter who we play in there it is too soft centered because there is far too much space between our players.

And I would still point to him being a kid (a monsterous one) but many young chaps have a lot of learning and adapting to get to the level their talent suggests. I would also point to Carrick as a 19 year old and how he showed big talent but had many faults at that time as well. Personally, I actually think Hudd has more potential than Carrick did.

But that's not to say the developed Carrick and an aging Davids haven't left a gaping hole in our central midfield. However, even then we had trouble with the gaps due to bad tactics.

I'm actually starting to think that if a new man came in that many of the player issues might even change. Here's a thought: I rated Defoe and Jenas before Jol got his hands on them, but now I think one of them is the stupidest footballer I've ever seen and I think the other is just penis.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Great post mate. Question King Keane: The gaps that are all over the park, if a new man came in and got it properly organised is it possible that Huddlestone could then be fine almost immediately? He is more mobile than he was and we know how good he could become.

It seems to me no matter who we play in there it is too soft centered because there is far too much space between our players.

And I would still point to him being a kid (a monsterous one) but many young chaps have a lot of learning and adapting to get to the level their talent suggests. I would also point to Carrick as a 19 year old and how he showed big talent but had many faults at that time as well. Personally, I actually think Hudd has more potential than Carrick did.

But that's not to say the developed Carrick and an aging Davids haven't left a gaping hole in our central midfield. However, even then we had trouble with the gaps due to bad tactics.

I'm actually starting to think that if a new man came in that many of the player issues might even change. Here's a thought: I rated Defoe and Jenas before Jol got his hands on them, but now I think one of them is the stupidest footballer I've ever seen and I think the other is just penis.

Re Hudd; fraid not, it's his inability to stay with a player that will tell in the end. He used his size (stop s******ing at the back) on Saturday to better effect but was unable to close down players when they had the ball, due to his cumbersome frame. Even on the ball he will get caught by quicker players so I maintain that he'll only be a success if played in a five man midfield or maybe a 4-3-3 with Hudd sitting in front of the back four. The difference between Hudd and Carrick is that Carrick whilst being pretty one paced is more mobile than Hudd and also is probably a better reader of the game.

The gaps between the defence-midfield-atttack can only really be solved by playing a different combo in midfield JJ and Hudd doesn't work against the better sides and JJ and Zokora just doesn't work, guess who I'd start considering, on the basis that I know nothing about KPB? Most won't like it but I think Ghaly could be the short term solution, not only does he run his heart out but he's got vision, skill and isn't afraid to get stuck in.

But at the end of the day, if we fall back in to our last third of the pitch when the opposition have the ball there's not a lot anyone can do about it, Hudd was trying to pick out passes on Saturday but only had Berba to hit, and Berba had no support from Keane so the ball just kept coming back. What got me was why Bent and/or Lennon wasn't introduced on the hour mark to give the scum something to worry about, especially down their left, Lee had Sagna in his pocket and the scum had no width from the midfield so Clichy was the only problem and was made more so by Malbraque moving in field thereby exposing Chimbonda (the lazy, sloppy git) to genuine pace.

The most concerning thing was that even I with my limited understanding of the game saw Fabregas was playing in the holding mans role with licence to get forward with or without the ball, so what do we do about is, nothing. At times it was like Jenas (who is not fit enough IMO) was ushering him through instead of kicking lumps out of him. Are we so adverse to getting bookings that we'd rather cede the midfield battle? I want us to perform well in the Premier League not the Fair Play League! But I suppose it's the usual Spurs soft touch approach, call me a cynic but when I've played my attitude has always been "either you go past me or the ball, never both".

[wayne wonder]

FINALLY someone agrees that Hudd is a liability in a 442 no wait JJ is also a liability full stop to be honest he cant tackle or track back to save his life hence the amount of 30yarders we concede im sure it was in the region of 15 last season and already we've conceded 3 or 4??

[MiloMinderbinder]

FINALLY someone agrees that Hudd is a liability in a 442 no wait JJ is also a liability full stop to be honest he cant tackle or track back to save his life hence the amount of 30yarders we concede im sure it was in the region of 15 last season and already we've conceded 3 or 4??

the long range goals are in part due to tracking back/closing down but really they're down to the GK, he's off his line constantly and is slow in reacting. He's not the keeper some thing he is, ask '61, even in Robbos' pomp I was saying "this guy's a clown"

[wayne wonder]

the long range goals are in part due to tracking back/closing down but really they're down to the GK, he's off his line constantly and is slow in reacting. He's not the keeper some thing he is, ask '61, even in Robbos' pomp I was saying "this guy's a clown"

He's taken his place for granted + he's got a proper yorkshire beer drinking gut