Jol... what do you think?

[london0998]

I know its only early on, and you can't make rash decisions based on two games, but I just would be interested in what everyone things of BMJ now he has been in charge for almost 3 years?

Personally I think he's a nice guy and overall if you look at what he has done, we're in a better situation than we were before he took the hot seat. However, I do think tactically, he's worrying!. eg. How long have we been without a natural left sided midfielder? Why does he continue to pick jenas in the first team, when we all know jenas is nothing more than a squad player? and why oh why can't we be consistent for 90 mins?

There are positives. We do have a lot of injuries, Kaboul looks very good from what I've seem, and we've managed to hold onto our star players.

All in all though, it's sure not going to plan!!!

[MarlowSpurs]

I wonder what odds the bookies are giving at the moment on Jol being the first manager to go? I don't want him to go just curious.

[neilmcnab]

TO BE HONEST WE DONT SEEM TO HAVE A PLAN,except pass to robbo and he humps it berba looks so pissed of chassing lost causes, and our drum beater, jenas," he makes us tick by the way", is sauntering about looking at his white boots and ajusting his socks, we do need a coach, who can bring the best out of these lot, cos they dont work for each other they never pass and receive the ball back , they pass and turn away, very strange way to play the game...JOL HAS PUT HIMSELF UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE, HE HASNT BOUGHT IN THE PLAYERS WE LACKED, AND HE NEEDS TO DROP ROBBO, AND BERBA, AS THEY OFFER THE TEAM NOTHING, PLAYERS DONT WANT THE BALL, AND IT WLL TAKE MORE THAN 1 GAME TO PUT IT RIGHT, WE WERE AT HOME TODAY AND EVERTON OWNED THE PARK, THEY WERE COMFORTABLE THROUGH OUT, TO THOSE WHO THINK PRE SEASON MEANS NOTHING, THERE IS THE RESULT OF PLAYING NOTHING TEAMS WHO NEVER COMPETED,

[TURKISH]

Is it me or does jol seem to be digging his own grave?:(

[Defoe8]

Isn't a risk taker
Likes playing players out of position
Doesn't like to give young players a chance (i.e. Tarrabat)
Panics when the going gets tough.
Too busy being nice all the time.

[wayne wonder]

Im going to bed i cant be arsed with talking bout that shower of shit right now:(

[denis-cro]

three years at the club...to much money spent on players we actually didn´ t need... I don´t know why, but all this reminds me of Gerry Francis "High Hopes season" 1997, which didn´t bring us wanted results...:(

[london0998]

Isn't a risk taker
Likes playing players out of position
Doesn't like to give young players a chance (i.e. Tarrabat)
Panics when the going gets tough.
Too busy being nice all the time.

Some good points. I would like to see Hudd feature a lot more. Since Carrick left, we don't have someone to play a defense splitting pass.

[Spur]

Shocking decisions at the moment. Everything he is doing is wrong and that is why we are losing.

[jrio]

I wonder what odds the bookies are giving at the moment on Jol being the first manager to go? I don't want him to go just curious.
Now at 9/1 third favourite after being 16/1. I said he would be under immense pressure after this summer's spending, but making decisions like Gardner at CB, and not having any balance and creativity in the midfield, is just asking for it.

And the last time Everton beat us at home 2 years in a row they won the league.

[Spur]

And the last time Everton beat us at home 2 years in a row they won the league.

Jokingly at half time I said i'd have a tenner on them!

Well now you've sold me J, i'm off down the bookies!

[WelshSpur82]

shocking result, He is tactically very poor, substitutions baffle me, Routlidge for Stalteri tonight for example, looks like a decent move considering we were chasing the game but then makes zokora play left back? WTF?? Keane wide right? looked ok there but it seems to me like he has his favorites and just wants to fit them all in no matter what position! Seriously worrying start to the season, People were predicting 7-9 points from first 3 games, luccky to get 3 at this rate! P.S. Sign a Left winger FFS!

[jrio]

Jokingly at half time I said i'd have a tenner on them!

Well now you've sold me J, i'm off down the bookies!

And we'd actually beaten them 4-1 at Goodison in the first game of the season. That was when the league still had some unpredictability at the top end.

[Welsh Spur]

My thoughts are as follows....

....I've checked out the dreaded fixture list. Next four games: Derby (H) Man Utd (A) Fulham (A) Arsenal (H) Now we could seriously be looking at 2pts or even 1 from six games. How many of you would then want Jol out? To be fair, I'll call it 3pts. So 3pts from a possible 18.

I'm afraid to say that if, by the end of that Arsenal match we only have 3 points, then it's time for the big man to go. It's sadly the truth. He HAS dug his own grave, and now the Eriksson/McClaren-type placing square pegs in round holes is placing even more pressure on a man who's spent the second highest amount in the league since he's been here. Even if that's not accurate he's in the top 5.

Oh and someone, please, find a way to rid us of that useless pile of garbage that is Jermaine Jenas. Please.

[jrio]

Based on last season's results, and if we only draw against Derby, 3 points is something I could easily see happening after 6 games. How we'd benefit from Jol leaving I don't know, because who is going to take charge that's going to change things positively? Last season we spent half our time outside the top 10 but managed 5th. What would dramatically alter everyone's opinion is beating Arsenal at home in the 6th game.

[Welsh Spur]

What would dramatically alter everyone's opinion is beating Arsenal at home in the 6th game.

You've hit the nail right on the head there mate - I think that is the only thing that would buy him time, being as it aint happened in such a long, long, long, long, long time.

I'm thinking we could even lose all the games except for a draw with derby - Hey, it's very possible at the moment - actually, the way we're playing we could lose all six. Does anyone disagree with that?

[neilmcnab]

my friend mark hughes has his set of players passing that ball arond probing to find openings our coach specifies to pass to robbo and he to kick the ball as far as humanly possible. and thats how our every move is started, until that git get them to get the ball down and pass to create we aint winning much. if he cant stamp his methods on the team then he cant do the job, so there is his challenge is he up to it well see over the next 5 or 6 games,

[neilmcnab]

i agree we could loose all them games, we look fickle enough, and i bet teams will be sniffing the blood, and realising we aint up for it, no bottle, no fight,did any1 see ledleys face in the sky studio, what surprises he must know that jj, and zok, aint no match, for most prem midfields, except on exceptional days, which are rare,

[berbzy 'G']

It's shocking the fact that without Lennon, Dawson, King all injured we can't win a game without them... gutted... as for Jol, I say if were not in the top 4 by christmas... Sack him?

[neilmcnab]

weli think we should beat st patricks at our place and also we should beat kaiser cheifs and orlando pirates at our ground so we,ll have 9pts, outa them games, no worries, DERBY MAY GIVE US A FEW PROBLEM O,S THO...

[Welsh Spur]

I have one question....

...how were Elano and Petrov not enticed here? SGE or not, it's still Man ****ing City for christ sake. Those two would do wonders for us.

Here's a thought....those two (and about £4million to spare), or Darren Bent?

Oh wait, here's another....SGE or MJ?

And a realistic one....

How about, as previously suggested (Spur) A diamond midfield with Kaboul as the sitting midfielder, Lennon out wide right, Taarabt out wide left, and Boateng (if he lives up to his billing) as the defence splitter for Keane and berbatov, the tried and trusted formula.

I still can't get my head round Bent being here. I'll never be one of Defoe's critics. I know choda has his criticisms but Defoe is still top class for me.

[jrio]

I have one question....

...how were Elano and Petrov not enticed here? SGE or not, it's still Man ****ing City for christ sake. Those two would do wonders for us.

Here's a thought....those two (and about £4million to spare), or Darren Bent?



Wages, certainly in Petrov's case as Elano wasn't on our radare We were offering 30k a week and City 60k. For Petrov's transfer one solution would have been to spread lump sum payments over the period of his contract as Atletico wanted a quick sale and were letting him go for about 3m less than his previous value. The club may have felt it wasn't worth the effort as he just wanted the highest offer and was coming off a season where he'd been mostly injured. One thing Bent has in common with a lot of our buys is resale value, something Petrov certainly wouldn't have at nearly 29.

[Jol's Yid Army]

Right where do I start........

OK I think MJ is a top bloke which has probably blinded me from the truth for too long. The man aint up to the task of taking us to the next level. I'm gonna make a statement which you guys aint gonna like but he is NOT a top class manager.

Can someone tell me.....

Why in pre season did we play these shite teams who we were gonna beat all day long?

Why didnt we get a really hard work out in pre season?

Why the **** did he play Taarabt all pre season and then leave him out of the squad twice?

Why did he play Rocha a left back in pre season and then play stalteri for the first two games?

Why the **** does he keep playing Jenas and allowing him to take free kicks?

Why does he not see that Robbo aint the keeper he used to be?

Has he and the team ever heard of the second ball concept?

Why didnt he bring in a Lefty?

Why did he buy Darren Bent?

What I'm trying to say here fella's is that the list is endless with MJ, there have been many mistakes made already, hes to negative with tactics / team selection and he worries about the other team to much.

I dont buy this shit about youth, potential, building for the long term etc etc. Its just away of buying time with the supporters. So whats he gonna say in six years time when we aint done anything under his management. Lets face it players like Jenas are never gonna improve, you cant teach old dogs new tricks so get rid of him. He has to be the most frustrating player I've ever had the displeasure of watching in a Tottenham shirt.

I feel theres trouble ahead for us this season which may result in a manager change at the end of it. I hope I'm wrong as big MJ is a loveable guy and I hope we win something with him but I just cant see it.

Yes I'm being totally negative but I cant be the only one feeling like this at present

[fluke]

Everyone seems to like Jol as a personality. He's like our favorite uncle. the one that seems larger than life, gives you a hug when your down and all of that bollocks. It is for this reason hard to criticize him and people get very defensive of him. But the truth is whichever way you look at it, that he seems to get outcoached too often. Moyes did it last night, Keane did it on Saturday. Both of them with fewer resources. We're not even talking "the top four " clubs. He's quite clearly just coming up a little short tactically at this level. It's sad but we can't continue to buld a reputation as big game bottlers. Berbatov's body language is starting to scare me already.

When you take a player like Malbranque (who I rate) and play him where he's clearly uncomfortable, he's only 60% of the player he could be in his favored role. Same with Lennon last season. I know it's early days but if we've put our seasons hopes on Zakora and Jenas in central mid' it looks as if it's going to be a very long season. Dosen't matter if you have a dozen international strikers to choose from. Our problems stem from midfield - no transition - no defensive cover - no width = Potential disaster.

[SCIFIN17YID]

I was very dissapointed by yesterdays performance, I think MJ make's huge stupid decisions, why the hell was Adel Taarabt not played, why does he play such a mad out of balance team, players all out of position, still shitty Jermaine Jenas being allowed to be the kicker, Jermaine Jenas caint even get the ball into the box, I saw no creativity in the midfield at all, hence no performance for the front's. I say he should rest Paul Robinson, and place Radek Cerny in, also give Adel Taarabt some game's as he causes a hell of amount of trouble to the opposition, we all know we needed a LW, why the hell did we fork out all that money for bent, we could have used that money on Petrov, and had a hell of a lot of change for a a nice midfielded player. I think these player's are not worth being in a spurs shirt and should be sold:

Paul Stalteri = Shit.
Ahmed Mido = waste of time.
Danny Murphy = waste of time.
Hossam Ghaly = Disrespected the club, **** him off.
Anthony Gardner = sure he scored a goal last night, but I have never liked this guy he is utter crap, yet he some how get's first team treatment pffft.
Benoit Assou-Ekotto = Yet to stun me, make's huge mistake's and costfull ones.

We have spent a lot of money on player's, we have a squad that can take us to the CL spot, yet we still got a manager who play's such a strange team, I think the excuses will soon be comming to a end and action need's to be taken now rather then later, and I do like Martin Jol, but his decisions is a load of shit and they cost us hugely, it's still early, and there is time for these errors to be learned from, I say if we dont make 4th by the end of the season MJ has to go.

[mjbmedia]

can this be made a sticky so we can all laugh at it when we're doing well in the UEFA and league and this rotten start is history, albeit a six points lost one.

[shoot_ffs]

it's a double edged sword. i'm not a jol fan, always had some problems with his tactics. i think there are many managers out there who could get the team playing together and with understanding of their jobs. that for me would be an improvement. the trouble is, once you took on someone like jewell for instance, he doesn't have any top level or euro experience and i think we would then end up looking for someone else, once we had stability.

there's a lot to be said for managers getting average players to play well, ala roy keane, sanchez, jewell etc and i would personally prefer that to the unwatchable, directionless drivel jols been trotting out for the last year.
I know there were other teams that didn't turn up on the first day, but we look like relegation fodder on our current performances. teams like sunderland don't have the quality of our bench or squad players, but can play together with purpose. Jol has shown us time and again he can't get us to do that. Next!

[denis-cro]

Right where do I start........

OK I think MJ is a top bloke which has probably blinded me from the truth for too long. The man aint up to the task of taking us to the next level. I'm gonna make a statement which you guys aint gonna like but he is NOT a top class manager.

Can someone tell me.....

Why in pre season did we play these shite teams who we were gonna beat all day long?

Why didnt we get a really hard work out in pre season?

Why the **** did he play Taarabt all pre season and then leave him out of the squad twice?

Why did he play Rocha a left back in pre season and then play stalteri for the first two games?

Why the **** does he keep playing Jenas and allowing him to take free kicks?

Why does he not see that Robbo aint the keeper he used to be?

Has he and the team ever heard of the second ball concept?

Why didnt he bring in a Lefty?

Why did he buy Darren Bent?

What I'm trying to say here fella's is that the list is endless with MJ, there have been many mistakes made already, hes to negative with tactics / team selection and he worries about the other team to much.



:) it´s time to open Your eyes about MJ !!

[Keanoldinho]

The only thing I wish he didn't do was start Gardner at the back instead of Rocha

[spursmadnick06]

Signing Darren Bent for 16.5 mil when we already have the just as good, (if not better Defoe) and not strengthening in the areas that we need it in is simply shocking.

[wayne wonder]

We've got **** all in the middle of the park and nothing on the wings that Darren Bent money should have been spent there and defence but jol chooses to ignore it or maybe he feels we cant play with 2 wingers god knows

[spurs61]

OK I think MJ is a top bloke which has probably blinded me from the truth for too long. The man aint up to the task of taking us to the next level. I'm gonna make a statement which you guys aint gonna like but he is NOT a top class manager.

Can someone tell me.....

Why in pre season did we play these shite teams who we were gonna beat all day long?

Why didnt we get a really hard work out in pre season?

Why the **** did he play Taarabt all pre season and then leave him out of the squad twice?

Why did he play Rocha a left back in pre season and then play stalteri for the first two games?

Why the **** does he keep playing Jenas and allowing him to take free kicks?

Why does he not see that Robbo aint the keeper he used to be?

Has he and the team ever heard of the second ball concept?

Why didnt he bring in a Lefty?

Why did he buy Darren Bent?

What I'm trying to say here fella's is that the list is endless with MJ, there have been many mistakes made already, hes to negative with tactics / team selection and he worries about the other team to much.


Sadly this 100% spot on, I made the same points earlier.

I can answer the Jenas question though, he has the same negative, gutless and unimaginative mentality as his manager.