Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Everton

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[denis-cro]

a must win game...no excuses :mad:

[Spur]

Absolutely crapping it.

Hope Dawson is back, his white and blue heart is our only hope.

[Ioang]

Gotta win at home lots!

[mjbmedia]

start with bent and defoe , Hudd to feed them, JJ on the right, Taarbaat on the left (ooo wake up sorry i must be dreaming) Zok in the middle , chimbo, Kaboul, Daws or Gardner and Rocha on the left.

If he starts with Keane and Berbs then thats bollox cos they were both shite on Saturday, i know they are tremendous quality but weve got four to choose from so carrying on playing one or two after they have a poor performance with no previous good uns to back them up is a time to drop/ rotate,and with Hudd to feed them decent balls theyll gulp them up,or show that they dont deserve the chance theyve been given

[choda]

start with bent and defoe , Hudd to feed them, JJ on the right, Taarbaat on the left (ooo wake up sorry i must be dreaming) Zok in the middle , chimbo, Kaboul, Daws or Gardner and Rocha on the left.

If he starts with Keane and Berbs then thats bollox cos they were both shite on Saturday, i know they are tremendous quality but weve got four to choose from so carrying on playing one or two after they have a poor performance with no previous good uns to back them up is a time to drop/ rotate,and with Hudd to feed them decent balls theyll gulp them up,or show that they dont deserve the chance theyve been given

Did Defoe even touch the ball?

He's not in the same league as the other 3. That would be a ****ing disasterous decision.

Try Defoe with the service the other two got yesterday and see what happens. Oh yea, we did. I forgot because he might as well have not been there.

And dropping and rotating the front men for reaosns of flippancy is a sure fire way to a very poor return. The start of last year and liverpool is proof of that.

[Spur]

start with bent and defoe , Hudd to feed them, JJ on the right, Taarbaat on the left (ooo wake up sorry i must be dreaming) Zok in the middle , chimbo, Kaboul, Daws or Gardner and Rocha on the left.

A player who can't cross nor run past people on the wing...and you complain about Tainio being out there!

If there was one thing we learned from when we had Jenas playing out right for a period last year or year before, it was that putting Jenas on the right is a bad, bad idea.

Huddle should start, Adel needs a cameo role at some stage just to liven things up.

[mjbmedia]

well in the ten minutes Defoe had on the pitch, he was no less effective than the 90 that Keane had , in fact i didnt see Defoe do one negative back pass and he certainly couldnt have had less shots than zero!!!!

[berbzy 'G']

Well, I was expecting us to win our first 3 games this season untill we go to old trafford... p*ssed of bout Sunderland game, Even a draw would have been a good result, But Robinson was of course of his line Again, didn't move atall either...

If we don't beat The Toffe Tits on Saturday, It'll be gutting, A draw will be just as bad as a defeat when we play them... Should win 2 0 or 3 0... must win, plus King and Lennon are needed A.S.A.P

[Spur]

Well, I was expecting us to win our first 3 games this season untill we go to old trafford... p*ssed of bout Sunderland game, Even a draw would have been a good result, But Robinson was of course of his line Again, didn't move atall either...

Your blaming Robbo for not getting to a point blank snap shot with bodies in front of him?

If you want to blame anyone blame those who let Chopra go free without a marker. Because that ain't the keepers job.

[mjbmedia]

If you want to blame anyone blame those who let Chopra go free without a marker. Because that ain't the keepers job.
quite right, but hang on a minute , whats that you say, a forward who plays his first premier league game, for some time at least, finds space when the much reverred Keane and Berbs couldnt :(

[wayne wonder]

I say Kaboul can play anywhere he likes he's that good!!

Do we risk putting bale in so quickly?? because i dont think we can afford to have both gardner and stalteri in the team.

In defence of stalteri he's no left back and he's obviously the easy target to vent our frustrations at. I'd rather gardner play there to be honest and we gotta get taarabt and routleidge playing 2moro to get some width in because playing 4 centre mids aint cutting it

Works been shit today i hate it :mad:

[neilmcnab]

you all misssingthe point it dont matter who you play up front, even eto or henry, cant do any damage without the actual pass to them, and our midfield playmaker jenas, aint making no play, actually robbo becomes our playmaker, jj spent the whole game trying to beat his oposite number, he failed miserably, infact his oposite number put the ball thru his legs a couple of times, can u imgine him playing for a top team,this is his 3rd season at spurs, is the best yet 2 come , what the shot against arse is that wat we can expect, shite play 4 88 mins then a lucky shot, i mean he hasnt done it twice has he, lampard does it week in so does gerard, even carrick, scholes etc, whw=a are we getting from our playmaker,compare him to cesc, he,s a joke, cudnt lace up cesc boots, fact...

[wayne wonder]

you all misssingthe point it dont matter who you play up front, even eto or henry, cant do any damage without the actual pass to them, and our midfield playmaker jenas, aint making no play, actually robbo becomes our playmaker, jj spent the whole game trying to beat his oposite number, he failed miserably, infact his oposite number put the ball thru his legs a couple of times, can u imgine him playing for a top team,this is his 3rd season at spurs, is the best yet 2 come , what the shot against arse is that wat we can expect, shite play 4 88 mins then a lucky shot, i mean he hasnt done it twice has he, lampard does it week in so does gerard, even carrick, scholes etc, whw=a are we getting from our playmaker,compare him to cesc, he,s a joke, cudnt lace up cesc boots, fact...

I agree with ya the sooner Boateng gets up to speed the better because i'd rather a mifield of him and zokora who if he could pass to a team mate would be fantastic as he's got everything else bar that sometimes oh and a lack of a good shot

[choda]

you all misssingthe point it dont matter who you play up front, even eto or henry, cant do any damage without the actual pass to them, and our midfield playmaker jenas, aint making no play, actually robbo becomes our playmaker, jj spent the whole game trying to beat his oposite number, he failed miserably, infact his oposite number put the ball thru his legs a couple of times, can u imgine him playing for a top team,this is his 3rd season at spurs, is the best yet 2 come , what the shot against arse is that wat we can expect, shite play 4 88 mins then a lucky shot, i mean he hasnt done it twice has he, lampard does it week in so does gerard, even carrick, scholes etc, whw=a are we getting from our playmaker,compare him to cesc, he,s a joke, cudnt lace up cesc boots, fact...

Spot on. And yes Jenas is a big worry.

The biggest worry is really Jol, when he could pick a midfield like that on Saturday.

Did Jol do anything right on Saturday? I bet when he woke up he put his right shoe on his left foot to begin with.

[berbzy 'G']

Your blaming Robbo for not getting to a point blank snap shot with bodies in front of him?

If you want to blame anyone blame those who let Chopra go free without a marker. Because that ain't the keepers job.

Defending was shite, we gave Chopra to much space... If Dawson was there that Saturday, He would of handled that... Robbo done some quality saves... He done his bit for the day, But we didn't clear the ball... Same sort of thing against Wigan at the JJB stadium when they went 1 0 up with pathetic defending...

Now we have 2 home games to win... We should have 6 points (Get a good amount of goals too against Derby) without a doubt before we go to Old Trafford, Then we'll see what happens there... So Spurs should be in the top 5 by this week really...

I think this is what will happen...

Spurs: 3 Everton: 0

Spurs: 4 Derby: 0

[Spur]

quite right, but hang on a minute , whats that you say, a forward who plays his first premier league game, for some time at least, finds space when the much reverred Keane and Berbs couldnt :(

It's not just down to the forwards to find the space. It's down to having wingers to create it or run into it, for the midfield to slice open defences and burrow their way inside the opposition midfield and take advantage of anythin there or any openings too.

[neilmcnab]

all 10 outfield players shud have movement, movement creates space, not just reley on 3 players to move, brings us back to original question what do these players work on during training sessions, how you train is how you play,therefore the senario must be robbo humping it up, and every1 else chase, small sided games must be interesting then

[choda]

The problem wasn't training Neil. The problem was the tactics. Do you think even alec ferguson could have made good play with that midfield?

Nobody could have. Jol is regarded as a top coach, but his tactics are shocking at times and can be very negative and overly cautious.

I agree the passing is still under what could be expected in certain games even when the tactics are okay but I think that is more to do with the development of a young side.

I know you're going to quote the arsenal kids, but over a sixty game season they would encounter all the same obstacles, I can assure you. It's easy to come in bright eyed and bushy tailed with no pressure and do the business for 5 games.

[hastingsyid]

whatever happens,whoever plays at the moment i dont give a **** aslong as we win that is a must

[bocayid]

what worries me and has done for most of last year too,is that despite the amount of supposed quality in midfield we have,no one takes a games and really bosses it for us.

all great sides have to have someone in the middle of the park that sparks it all..both in terms of creativity and in motivating his team mates...take a look at tonight opposition.Everton are pretty ordinary in many parts of their team but arteta and lately osman keep putting in performances that must lift the others and make things happen....going over and over many of the weeknds games the thing that still strikes me with us is our lack of cohesion at times of 'balance'..i thnk thats why berby looked frustrated...Jol has to shoulder a lot of the blame for shape etc..

we need a midfield 'general' because at the moment we look fragmented shifting the ball ....

having said that we should have enough to beat most teams and i think some of our 'stars' just need a rocket up their arse ...far to casual at times..maybe its the all white..'real madrid of london' attitude.We need to start strong..

I also think Robbo looked ok on saturday...pretyy mobile and like he'd lost a bit of baggage...can't blame him for the goal..we just switched off in front of him....

COYS

[olly27]

Check out teams news on the official site..I think Jenas, Zokora, chimbonda and Tainio all picked up knocks and didn't train yesterday.....so we have more problems..:(

[AssaTM]

Actually that may make the midfield VERY interesting, Zokora and Chimbo will be really missed though, but Jenas and Tainio out of the midfield? well that will be interesting

[jrio]

I wouldn't expect any of those players apart from Tainio to be missing through injury. However, it seems that Dawson will be out for at least 2 weeks. The suggestion that Rocha is available for transfer leads me to despair at the club bothering to buy players in January.

[olly27]

Yeah I think they will all be fine to be honest...hope Dawson makes it though...chimbonda and zokora better be fine!!

[Defoe8]

Knowing Martin, the lineup will be basically the same as the Sunderland one, with maybe 1 change upfront.

So unfortunately i think we'll end up drawing 1-1

[Ginola's Son]

Guys its fine, they are playing for me tonight!

[Gino Ginelli]

The suggestion that Rocha is available for transfer leads me to despair at the club bothering to buy players in January.

You've got to be kidding right?! I despair at our coaching staff's judgement of ability if he's sold and Gardner stays.

[Gino Ginelli]

Right if Chimbo & Zokora are out then I'd suggest Stalteri RB & Gardner LB with Rocha at CB. Hudd as DM with Steed as AM. Taarabt at RW & Boateng at LW. That's pretty good still

[deadleyledley]

we were shite against sunderland the midfield was non existant. the team selection was bullshit.
team against everton
robbo
chimbo daws? kaboul gardenar
zokora hudd malb keane
berb defoe

[wayne wonder]

I wouldn't expect any of those players apart from Tainio to be missing through injury. However, it seems that Dawson will be out for at least 2 weeks. The suggestion that Rocha is available for transfer leads me to despair at the club bothering to buy players in January.

WHAT??? since when has he been available for transfer?? I swear to go he's sleeping with not only Jenas and Tainio but now Gardner for the love of god

[jrio]

You've got to be kidding right?! I despair at our coaching staff's judgement of ability if he's sold and Gardner stays.

No, Gardner's also available, which is why there is so much continuing speculation about signing Davies.

@WW - "The club are willing to entertain offers for Rocha and Gardner as they monitor closely Davies's situation at West Brom."

[Gino Ginelli]

No, Gardner's also available, which is why there is so much continuing speculation about signing Davies.

@WW - "The club are willing to entertain offers for Rocha and Gardner as they monitor closely Davies's situation at West Brom."

Hmm, well all I can say is that we'd best make sure we get Davies in then, if those two are off. So Rocha turns out to be another panic buy who lasts less then a season then?

[wayne wonder]

No, Gardner's also available, which is why there is so much continuing speculation about signing Davies.

@WW - "The club are willing to entertain offers for Rocha and Gardner as they monitor closely Davies's situation at West Brom."

Gardner i dont give 2 hoots to be honest but rocha's a good guy to have in the squad he can play left, right in the central!!! :(

[Welsh Spur]

I don't want Gardner in this team unless it is imperative, and even then I'd only be comfortable with him at left back. It's the only position he's looked sound in.

I'm glad I wont be watching this live, I'm off to the Liberty tonight to watch the mighty Swans stick 3 past Walsall.

Tonight, for me, should look like this:

Robbo/Chim/Kab/Rocha/Gardner(only coz Stalty sucks/Zok/Taarabt/KPB/Malb/Berba/Bent

Subs Keane/Jenas/Cerny/Hudd/Tainio

[spurs61]

Why oh why have I got a bad feeling about tonight...?

It's watch behind the sofa time.

[choda]

I'm always hopeful, but I will be watching in a steely glare with my arms crossed. At least to being with.

[Richard Wells]

We need width in the midfield. Hard with no wingers in the squad. Its worring when people call for a midfield general, and others call for wingers. What have we got? Get the midfield right, and the rest will be ok. My midfield tonight - Steed - Hudd - Zokora if fit - Jenas.

Ive been impressed with jenas effort so far, maybe hes going to really give it some this season. ****ing probably wont though. He can do it for us on the right tonight.

I reckon as soon as Bale is fit he will end up on the left wing as we have no one else.

Come on Tottenham dont let me down tonight

[Milney yid]

I'm actually quietly confident about tonight. I think with it being our first game at the Lane this season the team will want to prove themselves, and get rid of the criticism that they've rightly had for the last few days. 3-1 Spurs.

[SurreySpur]

Has anyone got any money on the game tonight?

[jrio]

Robbo, Chim, Stalteri, Kaboul, Gardner, Jenas, Zokora, Steed, Keane, Berb, Bent subs cerny, rocha, routledge, jd, hudd

[Defoe8]

Martin wants to lose this game doesn't he, he doesn't want us getting 4th place, his pride gets in the way of logical thinking.

Same back 4, no actual wingers (Tarrabat didn't even make the bench, what a disgrace) and Jenas (I hope he gets an horrific injury which cuts his playing career short).

Expect Everton to piss all over us, and for us to scrape a draw if we're lucky.

[\jackdaw]

Not looking forward to this at all ... why oh why are there no proper wide players.

[Keanoldinho]

At least Routledge is on the bench I just wish Gardner wasn't playing **** sake why haven't we finished the Davies deal up yet. With Keano, Berby, and Bent all starting we're bound to score a few I hope.

[denis-cro]

this line up, this is bollocks !!! we never played like that !!! wxy we started now ??

[shakey18]

shit..................

[\jackdaw]

I dont beleive this .. ****ing Gardner needs to be shot

[SurreySpur]

****ing awful marking

[proto]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Keanoldinho]

we're ****ed gardner is a sorry bastard

[Defoe8]

Martin Jol, you're lucky you're at The Lane, cause i'd punch you in the face right now.

This is what happens when you play that donkey Gardener :mad:

Rocha woul have been the logical choice, but Martin Jol's pride got in the way.

4th spot, your having a laugh, more like 8th or 9th.

[original v.L.n.]

missed first five minutes couldnt ****ing believe it!!! :mad: they score again we're ****ed! ooh nearly berbs

[Keanoldinho]

our defence is a ****ing mess

[denis-cro]

this is ****ing awful...ha ha ha...i can not belive this...:o

[SurreySpur]

Johnson shouldnt be knocking Kaboul off the ball that easily. ****ing hell we need some steel in there

oh good, now he's going off..

[original v.L.n.]

kaboul off ... great:(

[Keanoldinho]

we're cursed this is some evil voodoo witch docter shit

[denis-cro]

ha ha ha ha...we´re ****ed...this is unbelivable...

[\jackdaw]

With the man mountain Kaboul going off its all over .. sorry to be so pesimistic but I cant see the defence we have on the pitch containing Johnson.

[Defoe8]

Kaboul's gone off for Rocha, we've definitely lost the game now.

I wish I wasn't a Spurs supporter. :(

[SurreySpur]

Kaboul's gone off for Rocha, we've definitely lost the game now.

I wish I wasn't a Spurs supporter. :(

**** your negative.

If you dont wanna be a spurs fan then dont be, its these lows that make the highs so wonderful.

We'll win this game!!

[original v.L.n.]

there's irony for you!!!! lol:D

[proto]

Lmao, didn't see that one coming

[Keanoldinho]

Ttttoooooonnnnyyyyyyy Fffffuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkkn Gardner Hahahja

[denis-cro]

ha ha ha ha ha ha...this is hoolywood...pure SF movie ...CMON YOU SPURS!!!!!!!!!

[\jackdaw]

**** sake how he manage to actually head the ball ... but get in there ya fooker ....

[SurreySpur]

Get in there!!!!!!!!!

[Keanoldinho]

Lescott is a brick shit house compared to Gardner

[bocayid]

well said surrey spur mate.....1-1...and up the ****ing Spurs...

**** knows what some of the negatives that post would have done in 77 when we were in the 2nd division....and during some of the mediocre times all the London clubs had...supported Man Ure or the Scousers I spose...

we all have a right to moan but to dismiss our club out of turn and write em off with an hour to go...whats that about....

[\jackdaw]

77 wasnt a bad year as we got promotion .. 76 was the bad year when we got relegated ..

[SurreySpur]

Steed looks well uup for it!! Im also just recovering from Stalteri's textbook Cruyff turn!!

[SurreySpur]

AAHHHHH **** Jenas just standing looking into space. ****ing waste of space

[Keanoldinho]

defence is just a ****ing mess I can't ****n take this shit

[\jackdaw]

Defence is so poor its not real .. but to be honest 3 of the back four wouldnt normally be playing there

[denis-cro]

well...:( not good

[bocayid]

bloody hell...robbos playing statues again..poor old rocha done brilliant didnt he....we have to get to arteta close him..hes too good to let stand those balls up time and again.....come on the spurs....

[bocayid]

Surrey i was just thinking JJ was looking not too bad..one or two decent passes and runs into box..but he does switch off to easily...we lack that something in the middle..look what arteta does for them..hes ****ing quality..

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell that freekick was close

[Keanoldinho]

**** sake everton are all over us going for the kill

[shakey18]

total ****in mess..3-1

[denis-cro]

Will Jol resign, after this game ???

[AssaTM]

Our luck is just, non existent

[Keanoldinho]

**** Tottenham

[original v.L.n.]

= game over at half time worse than saturday!!!! this is unbelievable!!!

[SurreySpur]

I dont think there is enough booze in the world right now

[MACCSPURS]

So.....let's recap

With all the money we spent, we have scored 1 goal and conceeded 4 in just 1 and a half games.

top 4? top 5? my arse

shame you cannot buy desire and passion.

[\jackdaw]

Not a lot you can do about that deflection but **** this is bad

[denis-cro]

Jol you ****ing idiot...you fat prick...**** off you and your ****ing football

[Keanoldinho]

Sometimes I Hate This Football Club

[bocayid]

wouldn't you....this is embarrasing....robbo..**** man..take the divers boots off....im not angry i feel just empty and sad at what im seeing from a spurs team.....

zokora in middle of park had ball ..turned and there were 5 blue shirts..and not another white one...not one spurs player wants to get hold of this game..

we played ok in bits but not much substance....could have 10 top strikers but we can only play two effectively and they have to have chances created...no one looks ****ing interested......

i hate to say it but tonight some of em really aint fit to wear the shirt....

COYS

[olly27]

I just cant believe my fecking eyes...had enough

[Keanoldinho]

our leading scorer right now is anthony gardner a league one level center back

[bocayid]

Look on the brightside next year membership will go up....and the free gift might be an 8th of the shit that our team are obviously puffing on...

[olly27]

Am not joking..judging by our defence..we'll be lucky to hold on to 1-3 at this rate

[wayne wonder]

****ing shit!!

jol's standing there like a prize **** trying not to get wet under the cover whilst moyes is soaked to **** barking orders!! Fair play to everton we're shit

[LifeTimeYido]

I cant believe this...............THIS IS WANK

1-3 at 1/2 time......... money well spent and in the right places as well..............CUUUNT !!:mad: :mad: :mad:


**** it...................... im on the vodka !!

[SurreySpur]

Play a front three ala chelsea in the second half and keep interchanging bent and berba for the spearhead position. Shoot Jenas in the head. get the hudd on to play the central man in a midfield three with steed left and zoko right.

[berbzy 'G']

Champions League, We're having a ****ing laugh...

[MACCSPURS]

what really pisses me off the most is the club increase prices for the privilege of watching this utter passionless crap.

and the worst thing, as much as I hate what is happening right now, we have been here before and this has been going on for years.

problem is, I just cannot take the club out of me and I feel most of us our in the same boat and Levy and the likes know it.

* sigh *

so, who we playing next?

[neilmcnab]

wat the fuk has this got to do with luk mate, we have no method to our play, robbo is totally at fault for all 3 goals he does not command his goal area, ist 2 goals were all caused by balls into 6yd box were was robbo cowering, hiding, and as for salteri, he is a joke footballer miscontrol nearly all passes to him, and dont say its conditions, once again robbo is our playmaker, he give the ball straight back to oposition every time, real profesionals... now we know wat they work on in training, i wont even mention evertons man of the match, jenas...arteta, took him for walkies...i predict 5-6, goal to everton, we may score a second, WE NEED A COACH, SOM1 WHO CAN TRAIN THE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME OF FOOTBALL AND TO COMPETE, WE HAVE 2,3 PLAYERS GOIN FOR THE SAME BALL...

[original v.L.n.]

i hate to say it but tonight some of em really aint fit to wear the shirt....
COYS


yea but would mourinho or ferguson LET THEM play that bad? No chance!

Mj needs to demand it from them but no doubt his half time talk will be something like:

"look lads it's not going our way. Keep your heads up. Try not to concede any more. we can do this..."

[MarlowSpurs]

I agree with shooting Jenas in the head, good goal by Gardener though.

[denis-cro]

Could someone open the Derby County thread...this one is over...:o

[Keanoldinho]

Play a front three ala chelsea in the second half and keep interchanging bent and berba for the spearhead position. Shoot Jenas in the head. get the hudd on to play the central man in a midfield three with steed left and zoko right.


and what happens when they break through to our shit defence ala gardner and his buddies

[wayne wonder]

I cant eve be arsed even if we win 4-3 im ashamed to say i dont really care right now.

Jenas is wank, gardner wank, stalteri wank, steed wank, the lot of them WANK

[irishspur]

Jol you ****ing idiot...you fat prick...**** off you and your ****ing football

No room for that shite on our forum. Our luck will turn.

[SurreySpur]

Were 1-3 down at home. Either we try to pin them back and salvage something or we carry on the way were going.

[berbzy 'G']

If Tossernam keep playering like this, I'm gonna flog my Arsenal tickets...

[Keanoldinho]

I can't stop laughing tottenham are turning me into a crazy mad bastard i"m losing my marbles

[SurreySpur]

Tossernam??

[Richard Wells]

a good 10 mins. using the flanks better. stalteri having a mare, robinson needs droping berbatov needs a kick up the arse. embarrasing. steed is going close to a red card. depressed

[MarlowSpurs]

I missed the start whose on the bench?

[denis-cro]

No room for that shite on our forum. Our luck will turn.

It will...when Jol resigns...

[MarlowSpurs]

I can't stop laughing tottenham are turning me into a crazy mad bastard i"m losing my marbles

That happened to me years ago

[wayne wonder]

Could someone open the Derby County thread...this one is over...:o

hahaha **** that i want the season over and done with now:o

[Defoe8]

"dnt worry we'll win"

You were saying :(

The defence is a shambles, Gardener just can't defend and Staltieri can't play on the left we'd be better putting a reserve left back there, he'd do a better job.

Everton again beating us at home, they have more chance of getting 4th, we'll be very lucky to scrape 6th place.

Why do other teams like Newcastle and Everton look solid and we look like pushovers.

We've got no backbone

[neilmcnab]

derby will come a rape our lot too, so dont hold ur breath, we have no fight, and wen kaboul departed the writing was on the wall, they,ll turn it round by december,

[shakey18]

wish i'd watched Holby now

[LifeTimeYido]

why do we have so many 2nd rate players in our 1st team when we have spent so much money on players in the last 3 years ??

we will win **** all....with that 1st 11.

[Richard Wells]

even when stalteri has a shot the oppo gets a chance

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell lads, its been shit so far but weve still got a lot of football to play this season. Get a grip fella's.

[wayne wonder]

That happened to me years ago

Hahaha all we can do is laugh mate cuz im waiting for jeremy beadle to come out in a sec

[MACCSPURS]

After this game is over, I would love, just once, to hear Jol pissed off and angry and not saying "well, we played ok but it's all about luck and injuries"

[MarlowSpurs]

****ing hell lads, its been shit so far but weve still got a lot of football to play this season. Get a grip fella's.

Thats whats scaring the shit outta me

[wayne wonder]

****ing hell lads, its been shit so far but weve still got a lot of football to play this season. Get a grip fella's.

Mate its the same shit like we started with last season it's not good

[LifeTimeYido]

****ing hell lads, its been shit so far but weve still got a lot of football to play this season. Get a grip fella's.



to be fair they aint giving us much hope are they - i want to be "yaaaaay Spurs are so great".......atm we are just shite.......all that hype and money..!!

[MarlowSpurs]

Hahaha all we can do is laugh mate cuz im waiting for jeremy beadle to come out in a sec
**** we signed him aswell

[SurreySpur]

Mate its the same shit like we started with last season it's not good

I know its bad but we only one once in the first six games last season and we finished fourth, were missing A LOT of players and pretty much the entire backbone of the team.

[Keanoldinho]

I missed the start whose on the bench?


It doesn't really matter but just for the **** of it we've got 0 defenders fat slow hudd an actual winger called Routledge I'm not sure who he is and shoot on site Defoe

[neilmcnab]

Seriosly Tho Guys We Do Need A Real Coach Tho, And All Jenas Fans If He Is Such A Athlete Y Has He Not Moved From That Spot,, Arteta Is No Athlete And He Coverd All Over The Park, Also Name A Canadian Footballer???? There Aint Any,

[jason_21]

as much as i love berba, he looks very lazy this season so far :(

[corkspur]

thank **** my sky is on the blink!!! how shit are we,3-1 down to everton at half time at home!!!

[Keanoldinho]

we're cursed

[Keanoldinho]

3-1 down and everton are attacking we're just total shite at the minute

[jason_21]

the thing we lack are two key things, a ball winner and creativity, so its gonna be interesting if we dont fix this :(

[\jackdaw]

the thing we lack are two key things, a ball winner and creativity, so its gonna be interesting if we dont fix this :(

And our three main central defenders

[jason_21]

And our three main central defenders

yeh i agree, i meant when we have a full squad :)

[Keanoldinho]

What the **** does Routledge have to do to get a game

[original v.L.n.]

why not bring on routledge instead of defoe? Again dumb ass tactics from mj

[Defoe8]

The commentator summed it up:

Tottenham are too soft, they dnt have that steel, also Martin Jol should have more faith in his back up players as playing players out of position just doesn't work.

In other words: START TARRABAT ON THE LW and ROUTLEDGE ON THE RW!!

Also put a reserve team lb in, as Staltieri just can't do the job at all and finally Jenas has to be sold.

We have no defenders, infact we've got a pretty average team apart from Ledley, Lennon, Keane and Berba.

[shakey18]

...he's on!

[Keanoldinho]

holy shit we're bringing on an actual winger

[bocayid]

berbys mind is elsewhere.....hes quality but he aint gonna bust a gut to make things happen.....things go ok he'll look ok..backs against the wall who have we got to dig in?....compare that to everton who despite there limitations are working hard and have johnson always running....arteta and osman buzzing and simple solid centre halfs....i accept we have key players missing but thats surely the point of having a big squad of supposed decent quality...

I like Jol..but methinks he's flattered to deceive a bit...and maybe is losing plot when we struggle...

i might have a puff of that shit myself...need it

Coys

[original v.L.n.]

any one reckon taarabat will get a chance for the derby game? What harm can it do MJ?

[SurreySpur]

Arteta is a quality player but ****ing hell does he like to go to ground!!

[Defoe8]

I'd like to see what no nonsense Cappello would do with the team.

I'd love to keep winning 1-0 and have a solidness about the team, and be labelled boring boring Tottenham.

We've got a lazy attitude running through the team, they are not prepared to grind out results and run their socks off like Everton have.

Berba's been a shadow of himself.

[original v.L.n.]

why can't gardener clear anything?!!! ever!!!!

[Defoe8]

why can't gardener clear anything?!!! ever!!!!


Becuase he's a crap player in a small mid table club

[LifeTimeYido]

wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank wank
WE ARE WANK.

[corkspur]

Derby must be laughing there bollocks off!! Spurs will be bricking it saturday. What a shocker!

[original v.L.n.]

someone tell mj there's more to management than crossing your arms and looking sour.

[MarlowSpurs]

I feel sorry for the poor ****s who paid to watch this shower of shit

[shakey18]

Never even looked liked scoring in the second half-shit midfield and shit defence.We NEED our first choice boys back-and soon.This game shows our squad players at the back simply aren't good enough.

[bocayid]

theres also more to it than buying lots of players and hoping the right system will happen....we have no shape...no system...and the thing that gets me..not one player who has stepped up and got hold of the game..its not like we havnt had the ball...no leaders....i feel at the moment like we are a club that lacks a soul,passion and players who really want to make it happen.....not the fans of course...

im passed angry..just numb and really sad....MJ...needs to search himself too and be man enough to admit at times he's winged it..I love his character..but that aint enough...im not saying sack him...but does he have what it takes...to take us on.

berby will have one eye on jan transfer window..i hope im wrong but his body language aint good...

**** sake

[original v.L.n.]

can someone tell me when the everton game is cos i just woke up - had this terrible dream though...

[SurreySpur]

Any other team that found themselves 1-3 down at home would come out for the second half throwing themselves into tackles and would try to fight back.

I try to be optimistic but im genuinly embarressed after watching that, i know the guy gets a lot of grief but jenas ****ing deserves it, he's apparently in the engine room, lazy ****.

The whole lot of them should be ashamed and for the first time im going to bring MJ into it. He just seems clueless in certain situations.

[Defoe8]

It'll be a big acheivement for this small club to scrape 6th place this season.

Lazy, crap, pathetic, a disgrace, so many words, i'm too angry atm to get them all out.

We've got a manger who's tactically clueless and panics when the going gets tough.

I tip Everton and Newcastle to fight for 4th.

[berbzy 'G']

We might aswell ****ing join West Ham and battle relegation... top 4, We having a ****ing laugh... I'm ****ed right off... Had so much hope for this season...

Don't even think I'll bother wearing a Spurs shirt this season anymore... ****ing disgusted... I ****ing hate Tottenham!

[LifeTimeYido]

MJ - should appologise to every THFC fan out there - that was a right shower of shite......really embarrassing

JJ - should be taken out and shot.........he is a waste of skin......****ing garbage.

[shakey18]

I'll always love Tottenham, but they do my ****in head in sometimes.Getting ready to get a shit-load of stick at work tomorrow.I'd give my left ball-bag for a Van Der Vaart.......

[original v.L.n.]

Getting ready to get a shit-load of stick at work tomorrow.I'd give my left ball-bag for a Van Der Vaart.......

What's the point, he'd probably get played left back

[berbzy 'G']

This is unbelivable... We're at the bottom of the table... and West Ham just above us... How embarrising... Thats it, Who wants my Arsenal match tickets in September... I ain't going...

****ing Everton fans giving it on television... ****ing soppy pricks, They call themselves the Toffes, what an embarrising nickname for a club... I laughed when I first heard that...

Just 2 things:

Sack Jol - Sell Jenas

Even our reserves would of got a better result- Barnard, O'Hara, Murphy.....

[Shuggie13]

LOL, sack Jol.

2 games into the season

5 games into the season last year Portsmouth were in a CL spot and Reading had topped the table.

[Shuggie13]

P.S If you are giving away your tickets against the Scum, I'll take them.

[berbzy 'G']

P.S If you are giving away your tickets against the Scum, I'll take them.

lol, I was pissed off at the time, Just said random things... WHo still thinks we'll finish 4th?

[proto]

lol, I was pissed off at the time, Just said random things... WHo still thinks we'll finish 4th?

from top or bottom?

[wayne wonder]

What was that soppy excuse from jol at the end of the match?? yeah we have defenders out but whats going on when you have zokora at left back and Jenas still on the pitch??? he's that shit its unreal i actually hate to say it but i hope he gets booed like he did tonight so he can **** off like he did at newcastle they managed to get rid.

we score loads of goals last season then go spend anoter 12-16mil on a striher WHEN we need a left mid and centre mid and defenders!! whats going on with chimbonda can he not simply pass a ****ing ball and steed is wank STOP GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES U SOPPY ****:mad:

Routledge and Defoe actually tried at least!!

[SCIFIN17YID]

P.S If you are giving away your tickets against the Scum, I'll take them.

heh me too :D

[wayne wonder]

heh me too :D

Me too i fancy a laugh:rolleyes:

[neilmcnab]

ATLEAST LEDLEY SHUD FEEL THE EMBARRASMENT WE DO HAVING TO WATCH THAT POOR PERFORMANCE, AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS ,he looked well pissd, hope he gives it to them in the changing room, bunch of loosers. MAYBE THIS WILL MAKE THE MANAGMENT OPEN THEIR EYES AND SEE WE NEED FIGHTERS, AND A LEADER, AND A GOOD COACH.

[berbzy 'G']

Me too i fancy a laugh:rolleyes:


lol, hell no... I'll just see the match out...

[TURKISH]

Breaks my heart watching that, it seems we are a million miles away from top four. No width, no passion and no quality.

Keanes a striker not a midfielder!


I just really can't be asked any more, if we beat derby, then we got man utd and when we lose that we will lose 3 games out of 4.

Is it me or does this transfer window just seem like a waste of space. I would rather of seen ghaly playing tonight at least he gets stuck in and positive.

[wayne wonder]

lol, hell no... I'll just see the match out...

u sure mate?? you'll regret going and will wanna leave after 45mins lol !!

[berbzy 'G']

u sure mate?? you'll regret going and will wanna leave after 45mins lol !!


proberbly will walk out after 45 mins if we carry on playing like that... lol, I'd just like to be there to join in and boo Tottenham...

[Spur]

Thoroughly outplayed in all quarters.

The worst part about this kind of play is no heart, no guts, no challenges. We just let headers go unchallenged. We didn't put a foot in and when we did it almost certainly was a stupid challenge and a free kick given.

Complete shit. Utter rubbish. Pathetic. Embarrassing.

Rocha best player.

I thought Robinson was very good tonight but others are blaming him for the goals...how I don't know...

In the past week i've made two threads about the midfield. Well they've not let me down in letting me down. What midfield I have to ask. WHERE ARE YOU MIDFIELD?!?!? Jenas and Zokora were totally abysmal. Keane is most certainly never EVER allowed to play on the right again. Routledge not much to say, I don't feel let down by him as he isn't a decent player.

Why is Gardner ahead of Rocha?

Why is Stalteri ahead of Ifil?

Why do we take Bent off instead of some others? I mean no-one had a good game but still. You keep the players that can score the goals on the pitch.

Poor management again tonight. Jol has seriously got to sort himself out and then the team, because its now beyond a joke.

Completed outplayed.

Everton were quality. They never had much of the ball but used it very well. Even the little things like never giving up. Arteta...well what can you say? I'd swap our whole midfield for just one game with him wearing lilywhite. I fear Everton wouldn't accept.

Even Lee Carsley and Phil Neville would stroll in our team at the moment. That's hard for me to say that is, as PN is a terrible player.

[jrio]

I thought Robinson was very good tonight but others are blaming him for the goals...how I don't know...
People have their hobby horses and are reluctant to let them go. He was weak for the 2nd when he collided with Rocha and fell into the goal, but that's about all.

In the past week i've made two threads about the midfield. Well they've not let me down in letting me down. What midfield I have to ask. WHERE ARE YOU MIDFIELD?!?!? Jenas and Zokora were totally abysmal. Keane is most certainly never EVER allowed to play on the right again. Routledge not much to say, I don't feel let down by him as he isn't a decent player.
I expected he was going to play Keane at the centre of a diamond which made sense. On the right just seemed designed to cram in 3 strikers without having the Arteta-like players to supply them. Both of our best efforts in the second half came from Chimbo crosses. JJ/Zokora has never looked a convincing combination and I fear it never will. Yes, we have multiple injuries at CB and LB but it's instructive to compare tonight with our cup game at Chelsea. They were 3-1 down with Essien at CB but stormed back and never looked beaten. In the second half tonight we never looked like storming back and Johnson had 2 efforts well saved.


Why is Stalteri ahead of Ifil?
Experience as Ifil is at least equally weak on the left and looked incredibly nervous when he played in the CC last season.

[Ginola's Son]

Well, I was present at this game and to be honest, Gardner was our best player.

Everton did very well, came to our ground, scored their goals and went home happy after a professional, if unexciting performance.

We on the other hand were a disaster!! Losing Kaboul 15 minutes in signifyed to me that birthday or not, I was in for a miserable night. And by **** I was.

We were dreadful, and while our defence was at its bare bones...the forwards, especially Bent were more guilty. They couldn't win anything in the air, they could do sod all in the box against average defenders such as Alan Stubbs. Berbatov looked disinterested and Bent looked worth an 8th of his price tag, only Defoe when he came on looked lively....Keane was played in a midfield role and slumped...but then I knew that would happen.

Steed and Zokora were like tanks in midfield, didnt stop running...but Jenas was ****ing dire. We deserved nothing from this game and Everton deserved the points, and then some.

[neilmcnab]

subject of robbo, i think he was at fault for 1st 2 goals and he didnt react for 3rd, he was right were the ball was on 1st two occasions then went back on his line, giving the player a free jump at the ball, if he stood his ground the everton player couldnt of had a free header, he needs to sit on bench for his constant kicking the ball to oposing centre backs alone

[Welsh Spur]

worth an 8th
That's what I need right now. The anger-free calming effects of a lovely 20bag.

...but Jenas was ****ing dire.
I'm so glad you said that. Let's flog him, please. I'd happily sell the **** for £4million, if anyone's stupid enough to pay it.

[Ginola's Son]

I'm so glad you said that. Let's flog him, please. I'd happily sell the **** for £4million, if anyone's stupid enough to pay it.


I mean, when he's good, he's very good...when he's shit....he shits in style!!

My god!

[jrio]

Well, I was present at this game and to be honest, Gardner was our best player.

Whilst he looked impressive in the second half surging out of defence and releasing the ball well, his defending is just atrocious. Very weak heading, ball watching and easily bullied off the ball by Anichebe.

[Ginola's Son]

Yeah all that...but he was still our best player...

[mjbmedia]

hahahahahahahahahahaha

sorry some of the posts on here are pure comedy :D

[Gino Ginelli]

First off, it's worth pointing out that we were playing at 2nd strength last night. We had our 3rd choice CB's and a 4th choice LB, with 2 midfield players who wouldn't normally play there in Keane & Steed. Zokora for the most part for me was outstanding again. Always running, always covering, he did very well. Jenas, I've decided, wants to be a DM. He's quite happy running back and getting a telling challenge in, but he was caught ball watching for the 2nd goal. Watch the slow motion replays of it, it's laugh out loud funny, he's stood rooted to the spot staring into space, when he finally realises Osman's right next to him and he goes "Oh shit!" and flaps around. & except for the delivery for the goal, everything else he did tonight was pathetic. Shown up by Phil Neville? You'd better believe it. Steed, for all his energy and effort, is simply not good enough for a top 6 team. And what was with his psychotic fouls that led to us conceding again? Nutter.

Then we're onto the strikers. Now I firmly believe Jol needs to hit on a partnership here that can get used to one another. Playing 3 strikers will not work if Jol is simply saying "go on and shcore" without instructions. As a striker, I believe Bent should be getting the nod ahead of Robbie for now, purely because we saw bent's pace and strength get us into some great positions last night. It's a dimension that we've lacked and it looked dangerous last night for the 20 minute spell in the 1st half. Dropping keane seems controversial, but the guy is a striker, not an AM or a winger, he is a CF, albeit a brilliant one. Therefore playing him out of position wastes his best attributes and wastes a position with a player who can't play there. And coincidentally i felt Defoe was the most effective striker out there tonight. Okay Bent needs the delivery which was non-existent for the most part, but Defoe got busy, and actually got a good few efforts in on target; he actually tried and got more shots in than the others. I say give him a start next game, he deserves it. Berba had flashes but still isn't getting it yet. He came deep a couple of times and made things happen, so the more involved he gets the better he'll be.

A quick note about Routledge. At last! a proper winger, he got busy on the flank, ran at them and knocked some balls across. Shame it was 70 minutes too late. Needs to start on Saturday in that position.

Robbo probably should have come for the ball on the free kick, and perhaps Gardner should have concentrated more on the ball, but the delivery of Arteta was sensational last night, and was my man of the match. In fact I thought Everton were superb, and on first impressions I see them gazumping us to 5th this year. By the end of the game Everton were the big unflustered bully, while we were the flailing weakling being held at bay by their outstretched arm, Looney Tunes style. We had plenty of the ball and passed it around but everytime we got near their goal they simply went "**** off" and flicked us away.

In the end however I lay the blame for last night entirely at Jol's feet. He has this embarresment of riches in his selection, but hasn't the slightest idea how to use them. His tactical nous (or lack thereof) was completely outdone by Moyes. Jol & Hughton need to sit down, look at his players in every attribute, on the training field & the competitive matches and actually work out a method of play. There was absolutely no discernible plan of action last night, everyone just fumbled around and ****ed about; to quote Dodgeball; "It's like watching a bunch of retards trying to **** a doorknob out there." Come up with a system Jol and drill it into them, as I am really questioning your knowledge of the game right now.

COYS :cool:

[MiloMinderbinder]

:mad: What a shower of shite;

I am sick and tired of the gutless shit served up by this group of players, none of them wants to work hard, bar perhaps Keane and Zokora, all the opposition have to do is want it more (not hard) and our lot fold faster than Superman on laundry day. Jenas and Chimbonda are the sloppiest, laziest most gutless players I've seen, Christ if we get offered decent money for Chimbonda just take it, he's a liability with his show boating from full back. As for Jenas, I've seen players waste their talent but he is ridiculous, anyone that still thinks he's ok is an idiot, he's an effete little waster. Was most noticeable that when Jol decided to confuse the hell out of the players and the crowd when introducing Routledge, Jenas moved into DM were he wasn't under pressure, suddenly he decides to play, a little, the boy is a shirker of responsibility and challenges, a waste of a skin.

The real issue is not the attack or defence but the midfield. More than once both CM were holding hands with the back 4! So we play 2 DM's at home against a side that you know will sit back and look to score from set pieces, unless of course ushered through by a certain central midfield player (see the 2nd goal), how inspiring. The continued lack of a genuine left sided player is a failure that should have been addressed three years ago the fact that it hasn't just goes to show how badly mismanaged the transfer policy is, buying a vastly over priced striker when we have three of the best in the league is ridiculous when there are more pressing concerns. I understand that the club know that Berba is probably off at the end of the season and thus had to buy his replacement whilst they could but had they bought the players they really need to compete then we may challenge and perhaps Berba may stay. And maintaining the most defensive central midfield in the league highlights where Jol's priorities lie, remember as a player he was as creative as a stick of dynamite and he wants the same from his central midfield. He commented last night that we lacked creativity, err yes we did but you picked the ****ing side you ****.

And yet for all this some continue to proclaim Jol as our saviour instead of a less than decent manager who's been handed a blank cheque, which is what he is, to be proven on Saturday when he once again selects Jenas and bemoans a lack of creativity.

One final thing - these "players" are getting tens of thousands to be unable to kick a ball with either foot - scandolous.

[wayne wonder]

:mad: What a shower of shite;

I am sick and tired of the gutless shit served up by this group of players, none of them wants to work hard, bar perhaps Keane and Zokora, all the opposition have to do is want it more (not hard) and our lot fold faster than Superman on laundry day. Jenas and Chimbonda are the sloppiest, laziest most gutless players I've seen, Christ if we get offered decent money for Chimbonda just take it, he's a liability with his show boating from full back. As for Jenas, I've seen players waste their talent but he is ridiculous, anyone that still thinks he's ok is an idiot, he's an effete little waster. Was most noticeable that when Jol decided to confuse the hell out of the players and the crowd when introducing Routledge, Jenas moved into DM were he wasn't under pressure, suddenly he decides to play, a little, the boy is a shirker of responsibility and challenges, a waste of a skin.

The real issue is not the attack or defence but the midfield. More than once both CM were holding hands with the back 4! So we play 2 DM's at home against a side that you know will sit back and look to score from set pieces, unless of course ushered through by a certain central midfield player (see the 2nd goal), how inspiring. The continued lack of a genuine left sided player is a failure that should have been addressed three years ago the fact that it hasn't just goes to show how badly mismanaged the transfer policy is, buying a vastly over priced striker when we have three of the best in the league is ridiculous when there are more pressing concerns. I understand that the club know that Berba is probably off at the end of the season and thus had to buy his replacement whilst they could but had they bought the players they really need to compete then we may challenge and perhaps Berba may stay. And maintaining the most defensive central midfield in the league highlights where Jol's priorities lie, remember as a player he was as creative as a stick of dynamite and he wants the same from his central midfield. He commented last night that we lacked creativity, err yes we did but you picked the ****ing side you ****.

And yet for all this some continue to proclaim Jol as our saviour instead of a less than decent manager who's been handed a blank cheque, which is what he is, to be proven on Saturday when he once again selects Jenas and bemoans a lack of creativity.

One final thing - these "players" are getting tens of thousands to be unable to kick a ball with either foot - scandolous.


At LAST someone agrees with me about Chimbonda?!!!? i dont want him in the team at the moment

[peterc]

Yeah all that...but he was still our best player...

Well. if Gardner was our best player, it must be very worrying to see us progress any further.

[peterc]

Its like we never had any pre season team training. No team work in the midfield, no service towards the strikers, what are we trying to prove?, that we are presently shit, we already know that. :mad:

[berbzy 'G']

It makes me feel slightly better that West Ham are doing bad as we are too... But I'm still raveing over the team...

[spurs61]

I'm iun full agreement with KK, again!

The crux of the matter is our manager, he has demonstrated time and again that he has no tactical sense whatsoever and simply picks his favourites whenever they are fit. The only difference between Jol and Sven is that Jol can hold an amusing press conference, oh and Sven has actaully won things to justify his wages...

OK, I accept that we had a weakened back four, but who in their right mind asks our worst defenders to form a left sided partnership? I bet Moyes pissed himself when he looked at our line up and saw Stalteri and Gardner (who really wasn't that bad) next to each other.

Having got ourrselves back into the game playing high pressure football, why did Jol not insist that the team continue in the same vein? Why does he have to revert to the wanking Dutch way of playing football? Two reasons not to play in this way; 1. our midfield is shite and does not have the talent nor the intelligence to play "total football" 2. Total football is a failed theory, the "great" Dutch team won **** all playing it despite having the best players.

Maybe instead of "raising our profile" in countries like Korea and South Africa, we should spend our pre-season concentrating on improving the team and testing our selves against decent opposition? Just a thought.

Well done Martin, you've spent £100 million in a little over three seasons and the only thing we have to show for it is a narrow 2-1 victory over Chelsea.

[olly27]

I have camled down a bit and will now chip in with my penny's worth. Were to start - I dont know. I like Martin Jol but was always concerned with his tactical acumen and this has been highlighted hugely over our start to the season. Yes we can all acknowledge that Martin has brought us further than any other manager in the premiership thus far, however the fact remains he has been backed heavily by his board. I remember last season a few people on here were saying it was the players not performing, when things wern't going our way, were I and some others had suggested it was tactical. To be fair it was both in different situations but my argument was based on the fact that tactics and how the team's set up contributes to the level of performance of the team. It is now abundantly clear that Jol's tactical ability is way off the pace and will cost us heavily. We have the added pressure of money spent and trying to progress from two 5th place finishes. We spent money and were 'best of the rest'...now we'r spending more money in an attempt to break the top4...is this really realistic with staggering decisions on team selections and subs notwithstanding injuries? When ever the pressure is on we invariably capitulate, why is this? Is Jol's negative and bewildering tactics filtering through to the team on the pitch? Why do they play in a fashion that reflects a complete lack of belief not to mention fight? Surely Jol should be looking at recruiting a few players who are actually going to roll their sleeves up and really work for the cause. Not going to go over old ground that we all are aware of, bar big Martin!, such as the team being totally unbalanced and key areas that havn't been adressed i.e. left side and creative midfield players..but its all just so alarming that we were entering into a new seaon, full of hope and optimism, to start of like this again having had the whole summer to prepare...dont get me started on pre-season either!
Also on the official site a few weeks back I read Martin Jol bigging up Jenas and basically hailing him as the next Gerrerd. No wonder he's never dropped and always played when fit...does anyone really expect Jenas to propel us into the top 4 and suddenly explode into life and start taking games by the scruff...I cant see it..but Martin remains confident..are we watching the same games? Perplexing decisions one after another..Gardner in before Rocha!...For me the list is endless at the moment..what are they doing in training?

For me Martins tactics are too often negative or just plain wrong. Maybe if he had more belief and was more positive in his selections and stopped playing Jenas all the time we would have more joy. He's always more concerned about the opposition and how to contain them as oppossed to getting the best out of his team with his players. The top 4 have strength in depth throughout their squads...we have strength in depth in our forwards...key injuries elsewhere and we will always struggle. A load of our fringe players just aint good enough, particularly if we have 3-4 of them coming in for the one game.

[Gino Ginelli]

Well done Martin, you've spent £100 million in a little over three seasons and the only thing we have to show for it is a narrow 2-1 victory over Chelsea.

5th place in consecutive seasons, a UEFA cup 1/4 final and more Euro action this year. Absolute toss is that... :rolleyes:

But will he take us further? :eek:

[spurs61]

5th place in consecutive seasons, a UEFA cup 1/4 final and more Euro action this year. Absolute toss is that... :rolleyes:

But will he take us further? :eek:


Hate to point this out but Gerrard Houlier brought Liverpool two seasons of mediocre success (cup wins) and still got the boot based on the amount of money he had spent. If you guage qualifying for the second teir of European football a success then we may as well all give up now. Nearly is not good enough when you're spending £30-40 million a season.

[mjbmedia]

Hate to point this out but Gerrard Houlier brought Liverpool two seasons of mediocre success (cup wins) and still got the boot based on the amount of money he had spent. If you guage qualifying for the second teir of European football a success then we may as well all give up now. Nearly is not good enough when you're spending £30-40 million a season.
maybe not but we're still playing catch up despite spending all that dosh we are only possibly capable of pipping arsenal realistically.
And thats because of all the shit that went on and wasted SPurs' s time before Levy and Jol came here.
we were lets say £100m behind the worst of the top four when Jol started. We was only above Arsenal cos they were having a mare of a season but they still done us at the death.
Now we are perhaps only £10-20m behind but still without the lure of CL football to get the real cream and make them stay .
its not like a sim game its real life , i know you know that Spurs61 but for others im not so sure

[LifeTimeYido]

I thought Robinson was very good tonight but others are blaming him for the goals...how I don't know...

Well the ball was only 4-5 yards out, when crossed for the 1st goal and his indecision was partialy to blame, as i think he could have claimed it, as well as the wank marking by gardener.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Well the ball was only 4-5 yards out, when crossed for the 1st goal and his indecision was partialy to blame, as i think he could have claimed it, as well as the wank marking by gardener.

He has been dodgy since the world cup playing behind Rio the clown and a half fit John Terry,he had no protection therefore no confidence and thus didn't come for the crosses and this has continued to affect his perfomances.

[proto]

the first you could argue he shoulda gone for it, i'd agree on that one, wrong choice.

the goal that involved rocha, i can't say if robbo had it covered, but it was close, but to be taken out by his own man .. there isn't a great deal of blame to find in that goal.

but the free kick, the worst of all .... same old robbo... what was he? 6? 10? 14? feet off his line? complete and utter madness. with a wall, the further forward you stand the bigger the gap you leave for dipping shots over the wall. but the worst thing is it lessens your own reaction time. that shot was not going that fast when it went past him, i'm almost 100% certain if he'd had been on his line he would have had a decent chance of moving for the ball, instead of absolutly no chance where he was stood. they did foul the wall blatently, which is annoying but that doesn't excuse robbos part

[Spur]

Well the ball was only 4-5 yards out, when crossed for the 1st goal and his indecision was partialy to blame, as i think he could have claimed it, as well as the wank marking by gardener.

I'm yet to see the goals again but when I was watching I don't think he could have done anything.

I don't think Andy Gray's commentary helps when he is constantly berating him even though he does well.

For instance with the deflected goal Robbo was completely behind. Had that been Cech Gray would have commented on how unlucky the keeper was. Blokes a ****.

No-one has mentioned the point blank saves that Robbo made either.

[jrio]

Two reasons not to play in this way; 1. our midfield is shite and does not have the talent nor the intelligence to play "total football" 2. Total football is a failed theory, the "great" Dutch team won **** all playing it despite having the best players.


Ajax: European Cup Winners 1971-1973. 'Nuff said.

[Ginola's Son]

two seasons of mediocre success (cup wins)

How is winning all three cups in one season in any way mediorce? That's a wonderful acheivment. We'd all be CRYING with joy with we did that. I mean, we ain't winning the league, the cups is really the onyl chance of winning anything, well, league cup only really cos the faggot four have monopolised the FA cup.

[jrio]

Hate to point this out but Gerrard Houlier brought Liverpool two seasons of mediocre success (cup wins) and still got the boot based on the amount of money he had spent. If you guage qualifying for the second teir of European football a success then we may as well all give up now. Nearly is not good enough when you're spending £30-40 million a season.

That's Liverpool, 18 times league champions and easily the most trophies won of any English club. Still, winning 3 cups in a season(not 5 lads, those were glorified friendlies) wasn't mediocre even by Liverpool standards. What did it was slowly progressing to 2nd with unenterprising football, and then obviously regressing having spent 30m+ on Heskey, Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou.

[jrio]

the first you could argue he shoulda gone for it, i'd agree on that one, wrong choice.

the goal that involved rocha, i can't say if robbo had it covered, but it was close, but to be taken out by his own man .. there isn't a great deal of blame to find in that goal.

but the free kick, the worst of all .... same old robbo... what was he? 6? 10? 14? feet off his line? complete and utter madness. with a wall, the further forward you stand the bigger the gap you leave for dipping shots over the wall. but the worst thing is it lessens your own reaction time. that shot was not going that fast when it went past him, i'm almost 100% certain if he'd had been on his line he would have had a decent chance of moving for the ball, instead of absolutly no chance where he was stood. they did foul the wall blatently, which is annoying but that doesn't excuse robbos part

1. Edge of the 6 yard box. Clearly Gardner let Lescot have a free header just as vice-versa later.
2. Lost his bearings and really made it easy for Osman.
3. You're just wrong here. Zokora's error, if you want to attribute blame, in not trying to robustly block the effort. Either do that or leave it. If the latter it's down to the keeper and Robbo was right behind it. Even Cech wouldn't have saved it.

[proto]

1. regardless of what gardner clearly does or clearly doesn't do, robbo is ultimatly responsable for stopping goals. that ball clearly flew feet in front of him with clearly no bodys in his way. most of the time, or at least often, a keeper will claim that ball, even robbo would often go punch it. are you seriously saying that robbo should rely on gardner doing his job if he's capable of ending the threat himself? to wait and see if gardner clears it and if he doesn't, stop a header from 6 yards? its making a judgment call on the odds, he stood and waited when he could of claimed that ball, they scored, it was the wrong call. end of.

2. possibly, it looked to me like he was in the right place to make a stop if a shot came in, and when it was a chipped cross that came over instead, he was very quickly between ball and goal, it was just rocha knocking him over and rochas clearance falling into the oposing players feet. nah **** it, i ain't buying robbo being floored by his own man as robbo losing his bearings. but this point is by far your best of the three, because no-one could argue that him being sat on the floor in the back of the net with a flailing rocha on top of him did indeed "make it easy for Osman" to score.

3. exactly how many keepers do you see that far off their lines for a freekick in that position? very few. but maybe robbos right and everyone else is wrong and he saves loads of long range and set piece shots.... oh wait, no he doesn't does he :rolleyes: . any keeper knows when theres a wall theres a good chance there might be a deflection, of course you can't know were a deflection is gonna go, but one thing you can know is that the nearer you are to a deflection the less time you are gonna have to react to it. he was too far forward, maybe he wouldn't have stopped it, thats not the point, the point is he sure as hell reduced his chances of saving it. upto this point, i respectfully disagree with your analysis but your having a laugh with that zokora is to blame nonsense. zokora shouldn't have touched the ball unless he was sure he would totaly block it? defenders job is to stop a keeper needing to save, the point of a wall is that the ball will hit it before it reaches the keeper, its a wall. zokora shoulda just let the ball through? that kinda reminds me of dave smalls in spinal tap when he talks about "...it was one of those crimes the police felt would be best left unsolved" - " it was one of those shots i felt would be best left unblocked" ROFL

look, i love robbo, i think hes a great keeper, i proudly have him as my avatar, but hes making some mistakes he needn't, and making them again and again and on the other hand hes not getting credit for the couple of good saves he did make, and he doesn't deserve much if any blame for the second imo, that cross shoulda been blocked... unless of course staltari(wasn't it?) didn't try to block the cross because he wasn't sure he could robustly enough and was right to leave it for the next man to sort out... hell, maybe gardner left his man the free header because he wasn't sure he'd get a robust enough block in either :rolleyes:

[Keanoldinho]

1. The first goal there were 2 Spurs players and 1 Everton player blocking Robbos way when it went past his position the blame falls squarely on Gardners shoulders although it was a beautiful delivery from Arteta and it came across very fast no keeper woulda been able to get to that.

2. The second goal was definately not Robbos fault as he'd been taken out by Rocha who'd just made a great header. It's hard to place the blame on someone for this goal but Stalteri shoulda closed Arteta down and not given him a free cross. Rocha was marking Osman and then he sprinted forward to make that header which unfortunately fell right to Osman then Jenas tried to close him down but it was to late. Gardner was doing **** all standing in the middle looking at Stalteri and Arteta instead of marking someone.

3. Well the third one it was going right to were Robbo was standing and he was getting ready to go down and gather it up then it hit Zokoras foot going past the wall and he got caught flat footed. That happens to the best of them.

Gardner is really really shite and Stalteri is just shite. We need to keep Gardner far far away from our first team he's a Coca Cola League One centerback. Curtis Davies is a must buy at the minute.

[Spur]

Can somebody find me a link please I can't find one anywhere!

[spurs61]

How is winning all three cups in one season in any way mediorce? That's a wonderful acheivment. We'd all be CRYING with joy with we did that. I mean, we ain't winning the league, the cups is really the onyl chance of winning anything, well, league cup only really cos the faggot four have monopolised the FA cup.

It wasn't the kind of success that Liverpool wanted, they scrapped victory in both FA Cup and UEFA Cup, their board decided that with the players they had they should have been challenging Man U & the Goons for the league and Champions League.

jrio: "Ajax: European Cup Winners 1971-1973. 'Nuff said."

Nuff said indeed, you've had to go back 35 years to find an example. BTW I am a huge Ajax fan and a fan of Rinus Michal and his philosophy but it does not work in modern football anymore.

[Ginola's Son]

I'm sure the Liverpool fans were in dreamland in 2001 mate. They must have known they weren't the best team in the country and to win the cup treble was amazing...and it's also irrelavent how you play in the final, as long as you take home that trophy. And their progress continued as Benitez took the team, which featured a lot of Houllier men and won the European Cup.

I'd have some o that!

[spurs61]

I'm sure the Liverpool fans were in dreamland in 2001 mate. They must have known they weren't the best team in the country and to win the cup treble was amazing...and it's also irrelavent how you play in the final, as long as you take home that trophy. And their progress continued as Benitez took the team, which featured a lot of Houllier men and won the European Cup.

I'd have some o that!

I think you've missed my point mate, of course the scoucers were in dremland, who wouldn't be. I am talking more about the Liverpool board who looked at the amount of money spent by Houllier and decided that he could have done better. Ergo they decided to replace Houllier with a manager who they belived could move the team forward and thus Benitez was brought in. Rafa has got to the CL final twice in three years, that is progress. Now look at MJ and the numbers of players he has brought in and the amount of money spent and what we have to show for it...nothing, just the pyrrhic victory of qualifying for the UEFA cup two years in a row, whoop-dee-doo we're now on a par with Blackburn and Everton.

[jrio]

Nuff said indeed, you've had to go back 35 years to find an example. BTW I am a huge Ajax fan and a fan of Rinus Michal and his philosophy but it does not work in modern football anymore.
Well, that was the decade of total football, and the one you used to cite it as a failure because Holland didn't win the WC. Has their been any total football since the 70s?

[MiloMinderbinder]

Well, that was the decade of total football, and the one you used to cite it as a failure because Holland didn't win the WC. Has their been any total football since the 70s?


I can only really think of 2 or three examples, primarily Cruyffs' Barcelona side of the 90's, the Barca side oif two years ago under Rijkaard and say it quietly the Gooners of a couple of years ago. Of course, if you are talkign about genuine total football then no because no manager in the modern era wants to see his centre halves steaming up the pitch, being filled in for by the wingers, for obvious reasons.

Oh and The Netherlands beat themselves in the final vs. Germany.

[Ginola's Son]

I think you've missed my point mate, of course the scoucers were in dremland, who wouldn't be. I am talking more about the Liverpool board who looked at the amount of money spent by Houllier and decided that he could have done better. Ergo they decided to replace Houllier with a manager who they belived could move the team forward and thus Benitez was brought in. Rafa has got to the CL final twice in three years, that is progress. Now look at MJ and the numbers of players he has brought in and the amount of money spent and what we have to show for it...nothing, just the pyrrhic victory of qualifying for the UEFA cup two years in a row, whoop-dee-doo we're now on a par with Blackburn and Everton.

So what you are saying is you expected Jol to get us into 2 European Cup Final's in two years or he can go?

[jrio]

1. regardless of what gardner clearly does or clearly doesn't do, robbo is ultimatly responsable for stopping goals. that ball clearly flew feet in front of him with clearly no bodys in his way. most of the time, or at least often, a keeper will claim that ball, even robbo would often go punch it. are you seriously saying that robbo should rely on gardner doing his job if he's capable of ending the threat himself? to wait and see if gardner clears it and if he doesn't, stop a header from 6 yards? its making a judgment call on the odds, he stood and waited when he could of claimed that ball, they scored, it was the wrong call. end of.

2. possibly, it looked to me like he was in the right place to make a stop if a shot came in, and when it was a chipped cross that came over instead, he was very quickly between ball and goal, it was just rocha knocking him over and rochas clearance falling into the oposing players feet. nah **** it, i ain't buying robbo being floored by his own man as robbo losing his bearings. but this point is by far your best of the three, because no-one could argue that him being sat on the floor in the back of the net with a flailing rocha on top of him did indeed "make it easy for Osman" to score.

3. exactly how many keepers do you see that far off their lines for a freekick in that position? very few. but maybe robbos right and everyone else is wrong and he saves loads of long range and set piece shots.... oh wait, no he doesn't does he :rolleyes: . any keeper knows when theres a wall theres a good chance there might be a deflection, of course you can't know were a deflection is gonna go, but one thing you can know is that the nearer you are to a deflection the less time you are gonna have to react to it. he was too far forward, maybe he wouldn't have stopped it, thats not the point, the point is he sure as hell reduced his chances of saving it. upto this point, i respectfully disagree with your analysis but your having a laugh with that zokora is to blame nonsense. zokora shouldn't have touched the ball unless he was sure he would totaly block it? defenders job is to stop a keeper needing to save, the point of a wall is that the ball will hit it before it reaches the keeper, its a wall. zokora shoulda just let the ball through? that kinda reminds me of dave smalls in spinal tap when he talks about "...it was one of those crimes the police felt would be best left unsolved" - " it was one of those shots i felt would be best left unblocked" ROFL

look, i love robbo, i think hes a great keeper, i proudly have him as my avatar, but hes making some mistakes he needn't, and making them again and again and on the other hand hes not getting credit for the couple of good saves he did make, and he doesn't deserve much if any blame for the second imo, that cross shoulda been blocked... unless of course staltari(wasn't it?) didn't try to block the cross because he wasn't sure he could robustly enough and was right to leave it for the next man to sort out... hell, maybe gardner left his man the free header because he wasn't sure he'd get a robust enough block in either :rolleyes:

1. I wonder if the Everton fans are blaming Howard for not claiming a ball that Lescot let go over him for Gardner to score. Robbo doesn't dominate and claim the ball as he should but I don't want him racing out for every ball around the 6 yard box. I doubt many fans were looking at the ball coming across and thinking Robbo should be racing out for it. They were probably thinking "This should be headed clear...oh no, Gardner's there!"

2. The chipped ball goes over Robbo and he loses sight of it, then blindly races into Rocha and the side of the goal after Rocha had just cleared it. Rocha's momentum takes him into the goal and it's Robbo who comes careering into him for a ball that's already been cleared.

3. You can only anticipate the shot you think is coming, not any deflection. Most deflections take the ball away from the goal. Poor decision making and lack of commitment by Zokora. It's the same principle as telling defenders not to race blindly into challenges. No, not telling defenders not to challenge and make tackles, telling them not to make the kind of rash challenge Kitson did against United on Sunday. Your argument is somewhat ruined by the fact Zokora didn't block the ball, he just nonchantly flicked his foot at it. That doesn't usually happen to Dawson when he's blocking efforts, does it?

The cross for the second could have been blocked had it not been cleverly chipped over and Gardner doesn't seem to be deterred from heading the ball by his continual weak efforts.

[Gino Ginelli]

nothing, just the pyrrhic victory of qualifying for the UEFA cup two years in a row, whoop-dee-doo we're now on a par with Blackburn and Everton.

Err... sorry to burst anyones bubble but yes, that's exactly the level we're at. All this bullshit about being part of the big boys is absurd media hype. In the last three seasons Everton finished 4th and 6th, & Blackburn have made the UEFA cup as well. We are not a Champions League team yet, we're a good 2 seasons away from that in my opinion. We make up the next top four, below THE top 4 (if that makes sense) of us, Everton, Blackburn & (this year I believe) Newcastle.

The sooner we wake up to this and get over the too-high expectations the better.

However, in relation to your point about Jol, it may turn out this year that he really isn't the one to take us to that Champions League level. It's like the Keegan thing with Newcastle, he turned the club completely and got them all the way to premiership runners up, but then simply couldn't get the extra quality needed. It's potentially the same with Jol, but I think he should be given the full season to truly determine that.

[proto]

@Jiro

unfortunatly the youtube vid with the goals i was looking at yesterday when i made my post, has been removed. so while i stand by my opinion of robbos role in the 3 goals ... i can't rewatch with your further comments in mind, so i'm not gonna argue with them for the sake of it because i honestly can't remember how "nonchantly" zokoras block/flick was, and on that point you might be right.
and yes the ball was heading straight for robbo on the 3rd and with no deflection he woulda saved it (you'd hope LOL), it would have still been heading straight for him if he was closer to his line. i wonder how you'd feel about his postioning if the shot had been looped/dipped over him. the bottom line is if you get close to the strike you cut down the angles, but risk being chipped and also lose response time. if you stay back you get more time but risk being beaten by accuracy. robbo too often is in the middle getting the advantage of neither and the risk of both. its a problem somtimes in open play, but its not excusable on a set piece when the wall is there, what advantage is there to standing nearer to the wall?

on a different note, the more i watched that reply, the more pissed of i am at the way the everton player ran into and moved the wall.

[spurs61]

So what you are saying is you expected Jol to get us into 2 European Cup Final's in two years or he can go?


No, but I certainly expected us to qualify for CL football last season and definatley this season, no excuses.

[Ginola's Son]

8 Key injuries can hamper your squad somewhat.

[Spur]

8 Key injuries can hamper your squad somewhat.

So can spending 40million during the summer it seems.

Lee and Ekoto are not key players, they cannot be considered key injuries. He has everyone at his disposal but CB's and LB's but it's going forwards that is the problem.

[Spur]

Err... sorry to burst anyones bubble but yes, that's exactly the level we're at. All this bullshit about being part of the big boys is absurd media hype. In the last three seasons Everton finished 4th and 6th, & Blackburn have made the UEFA cup as well. We are not a Champions League team yet, we're a good 2 seasons away from that in my opinion. We make up the next top four, below THE top 4 (if that makes sense) of us, Everton, Blackburn & (this year I believe) Newcastle.

Same level in football terms but twice, three times and four times above in terms of money spent.

Explain please.

[peterc]

I know it's all gloom at the moment, but seeing us at the bottom of the league is bad news, so let's all cheer along the lads, and get some points to start climbing that table......... COYS::::::::

[Thfc4Life]

Same level in football terms but twice, three times and four times above in terms of money spent.

Explain please.

I'd be interested to hear this explaination aswell ;)

[jrio]

Lee and Ekoto are not key players, they cannot be considered key injuries. He has everyone at his disposal but CB's and LB's but it's going forwards that is the problem.

Agreed, it was principally Bale, King, Dawson and Lennon. However, having your back-ups in 3 positions also injured complicates matters. Still, we wouldn't have expected the results we've had if there was any midfield cohesion and links with the strikers.

[spurs61]

Same level in football terms but twice, three times and four times above in terms of money spent.

Explain please.

Presactly, so if they (deservedly) qualify for the UEFA what does that say about us given the players and resources at out managers disposal?:o

[Gino Ginelli]

Same level in football terms but twice, three times and four times above in terms of money spent.

Explain please.

Excessive amounts of money does not always equal success. See Newcastle over the last 12 years & this season West Ham. Note that the seasons Man Utd spend inordinate amounts of money they never do quite as well. Also Stan Collymore for 8.5m. absurd amount at the time, but Liverpool paid it and won precisly... nothing!

This links directly into your point (which I agreed with ) that Jol has this season to prove that he has the nous to effectively employ his acquisitions. Plus the money we've spent has not nessecarily been wisely spent. instead of sinking the money into cutting edge players that will start and add to the first team (i.e. a LW) we bought alot of expensive squad players (16.5m on a 3rd choice striker for one). But then this is another issue I've already commented on. The point is, for all the money we spent, we're not top 4 yet, we're top 6. Fact.

[Ginola's Son]

Lee and Ekoto are not key players, they cannot be considered key injuries.

I think they become key when they are badly needed. To have an entire position vanquished from the squad is serious indeed.

[Spur]

Excessive amounts of money does not always equal success. See Newcastle over the last 12 years & this season West Ham. Note that the seasons Man Utd spend inordinate amounts of money they never do quite as well. Also Stan Collymore for 8.5m. absurd amount at the time, but Liverpool paid it and won precisly... nothing!

And look at the laughing stock they are because of it! That is about to be us! We are the new Newcastle! How does that make my fellow Yids feel? Because it makes me feel like shit.

This links directly into your point (which I agreed with ) that Jol has this season to prove that he has the nous to effectively employ his acquisitions. Plus the money we've spent has not nessecarily been wisely spent. instead of sinking the money into cutting edge players that will start and add to the first team (i.e. a LW) we bought alot of expensive squad players (16.5m on a 3rd choice striker for one). But then this is another issue I've already commented on. The point is, for all the money we spent, we're not top 4 yet, we're top 6. Fact.

Who's fault is that? His signings have been terrible. Admittedly some will have been Comolli signings - like KBP for example and Bale. But alot are Jol signings.

[shakey18]

So who are Jols boys, and who are Danny's Donkeys?!

[mjbmedia]

[QUOTE=Spur;56645]! How does that make my fellow Yids feel? Because it makes me feel like shit.
/QUOTE]
have you any fellow yids??? im certainly not one of YOUR fellow yids.

[Spur]

have you any fellow yids??? im certainly not one of YOUR fellow yids.

So your not a Spurs fan...?

Your going to have to explain that one :confused:

[mjbmedia]

So your not a Spurs fan...?

Your going to have to explain that one :confused:
ahhh i am a Spurs fan, but im not a yid :D

and we aint Newcastle cos Newcastle have seriously challenged for the premiership title and finished top four , neither of which we've managed yet , YET.

But id still rather be Spurs providing we have some patience and stability and not, 'to use one of Chodas favourite expressions, knee jerk reactions.

Spur im in no way saying you have knee jerk reactions you dont, youre very consistent with your views which i acknowledge and commend.

[Spur]

ahhh i am a Spurs fan, but im not a yid :D

and we aint Newcastle cos Newcastle have seriously challenged for the premiership title and finished top four , neither of which we've managed yet , YET.

But id still rather be Spurs providing we have some patience and stability and not, 'to use one of Chodas favourite expressions, knee jerk reactions.

Spur im in no way saying you have knee jerk reactions you dont, youre very consistent with your views which i acknowledge and commend.

Thanks for the last bit, glad it goes noticed :D :o

[mjbmedia]

Thanks for the last bit, glad it goes noticed :D :o
yeh it does. look im sorry i been a git recently , stuff going on this end , i try to be nice from now on ok , maybe not agree but nice with it .