2007/08 Premiership Top Scorer

[SurreySpur]

Who do you think will finish the season as the Premierships top goalscorer?

[choda]

Drogba. Berbatov? Keano? Bent?

[jrio]

Keano! LMFAO!! Player of the Season I'll give you, whereas Bent and Berb have a realistic chance, especially the former as that is what he mainly does.

When was the last time it wasn't a player from the top 2?

Hasselbaink in 2000-1?

[SurreySpur]

Drogba. Berbatov? Keano? Bent?

Ive changed it so its a poll now, should work better.

[shoot_ffs]

well you'd have to fancy some of our strikers, but it will also depend on who takes the pens out of the pairings.

i've got a fancy for scousers voronin (not in a man on man way u understand!!)
i think he's tough enough to force his way into the prem games and push kuyt or torres into the euro. i really rate this guy.

[TomMcLaren]

ronaldo for me

[Chaydle]

Drogba for me, you know he is going to play in almost every game, he is the fulcrum of Chelsea's strikeforce and a bloody good, if not annoying, player.

Top scorer for Spurs- Berbatov vs Bent, Keane not a chance

[jrio]

Shoot_ffs, it would make more sense if you had a fancy for Voronin in a man-on-man way. His average with Leverkusen was about 1 in 3 games and there must be a doubt about how many games he'll play in the Prem under Benitez. I can't see Bent starting in preference to Keane which limits his game time. Berb must be a strong favourite alongside Drogba, VP, Tevez if he's at ManU, and Ronaldo.

[choda]

Keano! LMFAO!! Player of the Season I'll give you, whereas Bent and Berb have a realistic chance, especially the former as that is what he mainly does.

When was the last time it wasn't a player from the top 2?

Hasselbaink in 2000-1?

I wouldn't back Keane to be honest, but he was the top goals per minute in England last year. Hardly laughable, but then everybody knows what you are up to. :rolleyes:

[jrio]

I wouldn't back Keane to be honest, but he was the top goals per minute in England last year. Hardly laughable, but then everybody knows what you are up to.
Come on, you admitted you wouldn't back him, and I'm not laughing at Keane's record, but you'd be the first to admit pure goal-scoring isn't the main part of his game. I'd fancy him to finish around 6th/7th. Would you greatly disagree with that?

@TomMclaren: Time for Quote of the Week, isn't it Tom?

[choda]

Come on, you admitted you wouldn't back him, and I'm not laughing at Keane's record, but you'd be the first to admit pure goal-scoring isn't the main part of his game. I'd fancy him to finish around 6th/7th. Would you greatly disagree with that?

@TomMclaren: Time for Quote of the Week, isn't it Tom?

It's just not laughable to question whether he can.

I think this title depends much on playing time, penaties, rotation and other factors.

Factoring that in I'd expect Bent, Berbatov and Keane to finish around 4,5,6th place. But maybe one of them can bust up to the top.

The way Keane keeps getting better who's to say he can't have a great season, he's class act. And he never misses a penalty. I can only remember one ever.

I think Drogba is the clear favourite really. He's the spearhead of a very strong outfit, no rotation and plays nearly every 90 minutes of every game.

And you've got Rooney and Tevez. Possibly Torres, though I don't fancy him at pool. And there will usually be a springer, maybe AJ or Benni.

I think it's anybody's game this year, but I'd strongly fancy Drogba.

[olly27]

As much as it pains me to say it I think Van Persie could be up there...but I concur with the general feeling that it will be Drogba...as far as our top scorer is concerned I am going for Keane...with Berba getting the most assists obviously!!:)

[TURKISH]

Shevchenko for me boys before you slag me off i feel if chelsea have wing play and two up front with him and drogba then he will get you goals no question. And i feel he got his first season out the way and with a good pre season under his belt then he can do what he reputation suggest "score goals!".......;

[jrio]

Christ, TURKISH has gone tonto loco! I'll temper that by saying that Moaninho has no intention of playing 2 up front - it'll be 4-3-3 most of the time. I was about to say he must be 20/1 but I see he's only 11/1 behind Drogba at 9/2. For us, Berb 14/1, Bent 22/1, Keane 33/1(behind Da Silva and Lampard at 25/1). Perhaps you think PP are laughing at Keane, Choda? :rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

Christ, TURKISH has gone tonto loco! I'll temper that by saying that Moaninho has no intention of playing 2 up front - it'll be 4-3-3 most of the time. I was about to say he must be 20/1 but I see he's only 11/1 behind Drogba at 9/2. For us, Berb 14/1, Bent 22/1, Keane 33/1(behind Da Silva and Lampard at 25/1). Perhaps you think PP are laughing at Keane, Choda? :rolleyes:

Well will see jrio the season will be kicking off in 3 weeks or so:D I just feel he's worth a £10 bet, i wont be betting on spurs strikers as im not sure who will be starting from week to week. I feel berbs goals will be spread out in euro, fa cup and league. Maybe bent or keane will also be worth a punt?...;

[WelshSpur82]

I would not bet against someone like Owen? If he can stay fit? Voronin? In a word NO. Drogba must be the Favorite tho, As for us i Think Bent will score a lot of goals however, with the 4 we have you just dont know who is going to play most league games.

[RuFuS]

Is this in all comps or just the prem ?

[SurreySpur]

Is this in all comps or just the prem ?

Just the Prem......My poll, My rules!! haha

[singapore spur]

lost a shit load on shevchenko last year , he owes me worth a punt at 11-1 definately i think . but would agree with most drogba as he isnt rotated as much as the other leading contenders .

depending on price owen could be worth a bit as well i would have thought

[Gino Ginelli]

Out of those choices, you have to go for Drogba really.

[choda]

Christ, TURKISH has gone tonto loco! I'll temper that by saying that Moaninho has no intention of playing 2 up front - it'll be 4-3-3 most of the time. I was about to say he must be 20/1 but I see he's only 11/1 behind Drogba at 9/2. For us, Berb 14/1, Bent 22/1, Keane 33/1(behind Da Silva and Lampard at 25/1). Perhaps you think PP are laughing at Keane, Choda? :rolleyes:

How to win friends and influence people.

You just don't get it buddy, do ya? :)

But thanks for telling me about this. Those are some great odds for Keane. I will be having a punt. They obviously reckon he will be 3rd choice following Bents big money move.

But if Keane starts first choice and scores he will probably stay in mostly and he will have a chance. Very much an outside chance, it must be said. I don't think he will win it, but I can't ignore those odds for at least a place.

I'd expect him to be around fifth place, but maybe he will do better and then I will be kicking myself if I didn't have a flutter.

He keeps getting better so I like those odds a lot.

It would be some turn around for Shevchenko, but he has the talent. 11-1 though, ouch, not for me.

[jrio]

But thanks for telling me about this. Those are some great odds for Keane. I will be having a punt. They obviously reckon he will be 3rd choice following Bents big money move.


No, I don't read that into it. Bent will play more games in the Prem because he can play alongside both Berb and Keane. His goal record at Charlton was about 1 in 2 so even if they played the same number of games he'd be expected to score about 50% more goals than Keane.

[Spur]

I'm going to have to go with Thierry Henry.

























Oh shit he's gone hasn't he? :cool: :D :eek: :p

(Neil, I really needed a rolling around with laughter smiley right then!)

[choda]

No, I don't read that into it. Bent will play more games in the Prem because he can play alongside both Berb and Keane. His goal record at Charlton was about 1 in 2 so even if they played the same number of games he'd be expected to score about 50% more goals than Keane.

Keane is 1 in 2.5 in the prem for us (last five years), Bent's prem record for Charlton, where he played every minute, was 1 in 2 and he took penalties. If they both play 10 games then Keane would be expected to score 4 and Bent 5. That's 25%.

And he won't take penalties when Keane plays, which may adjust things in the coming season.

But Bent may end up playing more games.

I'm not overly bothered about this, but I like those odds on Keane. He's a top player.

I think on an even scale Bent would score more than Keane, but I think Keane will start first choice with Berb and it may well end up being that Bent only starts when it's injury or rest time.

Frankly, I like them both and I don't care too much who plays. But Keane may respond again and become even better.

[Spur]

Once Tevez joins United there's only one winner.

And it's him.

[TURKISH]

It's just about taking a punt on someone who you think could do well. What the point in betting on the favourite? Who fought drogba would win it last year? I might put a score on both owen and shevchenko......;

[jrio]

Keane is 1 in 2.5 in the prem for us (last five years), Bent's prem record for Charlton, where he played every minute, was 1 in 2 and he took penalties. If they both play 10 games then Keane would be expected to score 4 and Bent 5. That's 25%.

And he won't take penalties when Keane plays, which may adjust things in the coming season.



Only 3 of Bent's 14 goals were penalties and I would expect him to take them if Keane isn't on the pitch. The bookies odds are clearly predicated on the goal scoring averages I have quoted, Keane's odds being 50% higher.

[TomMcLaren]

Once Tevez joins United there's only one winner.

And it's him.

I'm wondering if you think that means he will get top scorer, or that his stupendous wages will make him a "winner"... :cool:

[Spur]

I'm wondering if you think that means he will get top scorer, or that his stupendous wages will make him a "winner"... :cool:

Both actually Tom.

I think anyone involved in pro football is a winner though in that sense, especially if they have a brain, like Robbie Fowler, and ivest the whole ****ing lot!

[choda]

Only 3 of Bent's 14 goals were penalties and I would expect him to take them if Keane isn't on the pitch. The bookies odds are clearly predicated on the goal scoring averages I have quoted, Keane's odds being 50% higher.

What do you mean predicted on the averages?

The bookies try to take everything they can into consideration. Just because a guys odds are lower it isn't in direct proportion to his goal average.

It's based also on last season, rotation and loads of other things.

If it was goals per minute Keane was actually the best in England last year. You don't get any more accurate and current than that.

I'm not saying he's likely to win, but he's not to be sniffed at either. 33-1 is very good odds on a player of that pedigree. You do see eye openers at the bookies every so often.

[jrio]

Not predicted, predicated - declared or asserted. Keane has played for Leeds and Coventry in the Prem, not just Spurs. If you compare their records across all their top level clubs those odds are what you'd expect(average of about 1 per 2.9 for Keane). Who were the favourites last year? - Drogba and Henry. Keane finished 11= with Anelka, Bent 6th. Taking Keane's goals per minute record and suggesting from that he was the best in England is a false premise. I wouldn't back him to finish in the top 5 this season.

[choda]

I never said he was the best last year, but that is one of the BIG stats.

He had a very slow start to his prem goal tally, due to the rotation and his injury. It was the same with Defoe until he got a run.

I've already told you his stats from Leeds are not very accurate.

Do you know where Drogba was five years ago? He was playing for a rubbish team in the French third division. He only had two seasons at Marseille and then Chelsea. You don't have to go all the way back, in fact it's not advisable for bookies, that's bollox. Players can change and Keane's old stats were not so solid (coventry aside) for numerous reasons.

You just want to shit on the guy for some reason, and he's been such a good player for us.

[Gino Ginelli]

Ah the old Choda/Jrio feud over Keano rears it's ugly head again. It must have been... ooh, a fortnight since the last one?

:p ;)

[Chaydle]

:D :D
There should be a seperate section on the site for them to have their tennis match style arguements

[Spur]

If it was goals per minute Keane was actually the best in England last year. You don't get any more accurate and current than that.

If it were goals per minute last year then you've got Bobby Zamora and Jermain Defoe up front for England. Crouch comes a close third, but Zamora is way out in front.

Says it all really!

[jrio]

You just want to shit on the guy for some reason, and he's been such a good player for us.

I don't, but you insist on lauding everything he does as though he's almost on the level of Ronaldinho. He's a very good player but not, as you insist, on the verge of being world-class. I've yet to find anyone that backs your assessment or would easily pay 12m for him.

[choda]

I don't insist on lauding everything he does. And I never said he was as good as Ronaldhinho. My opinion on him is very balanced. As I told you before it may have seemed that way simply because I don't rate Defoe.

The amount of times this year you laughed at something I said and I was proven to be spot on in the end is very many. You think you would have learned how to conduct yourself from that.

You're a gobshite with moronic social intelligence, I don't know why I bother talking to you.

I'm getting so bored of this crap and so is everybody else. You're constantly being a troll. I'm just going to mostly ignore you from now on.

As people keep telling you; grow the **** up you sad little man.

[choda]

If it were goals per minute last year then you've got Bobby Zamora and Jermain Defoe up front for England. Crouch comes a close third, but Zamora is way out in front.

Says it all really!

All players who had good goalscoring years though, right?

So it is a good stat.

And England didn't exactly have a dearth of quality up front fit and playing last year.

But of course you don't pick the england team on one stat for one year, that would be stupid.

[jrio]

I don't insist on lauding everything he does. And I never said he was as good as Ronaldhinho. My opinion on him is very balanced. As I told you before it may have seemed that way simply because I don't rate Defoe.

The amount of times this year you laughed at something I said and I was proven to be spot on in the end is very many. You think you would have learned how to conduct yourself from that.

You're a gobshite with moronic social intelligence, I don't know why I bother talking to you.

I'm getting so bored of this crap and so is everybody else. You're constantly being a troll. I'm just going to mostly ignore you from now on.

As people keep telling you; grow the **** up you sad little man.
That's a very dismal response. You seem to have lost your ability to conduct a mature discussion. You should read more carefully: "as though he's almost on the level of Ronaldinho". I didn't claim you'd made a direct comparison.

"You're a gobshite with moronic social intelligence". That made me laugh. Perhaps you're better off engaging with 15 year old boys.

[Keanoldinho]

Drogba. He's just the perfect EPL striker

Berbatov. He has the potential to do it and will get the games

Torres. If he settles quick he also has the potential

Tevez. If he goes to manure he'll score a shed load

Drogba has to be the favourite but anyone of the other 3 could challenge him and win it if they have a good season. This is going to be the best EPL season ever I think. There's lots of quality coming to the league and we're getting better and better.

[TomMcLaren]

OMG, somebody changed the subject!!!