Derby

[SCIFIN17YID]

haha I just checked the prem table, and I remembered derby are in it LOL, where do you think they will place at the end of the season, get your predictions in now ! I predict 18th on the table, by the way you are only allowed one spot ! hahaha @ Derby, good luck in and enjoy your quick exit.

[canadaspur]

nah,the blunts will win their appeal & they won't let the sheep shaggers in...would be funny anyway:cool:

[Gino Ginelli]

Watch them top us 3-0 now you've said that! :confused:

[singapore spur]

bottom 3 as i see it

18 boro
19 fulham
20 derby

[SurreySpur]

I think the Bottom three will be

18th Wigan
19th Derby
20th Fulham

Although i really hope WestHam go down, they deserve it.

[singapore spur]

forgot wigan , they may well save boro

[Spur]

To go down it's out of 5 teams. Birmingham, Wigan, Fulham, Derby, and Boro.

[MaccYid]

18th - Man City
19th - Boro
20th - Derby

[hastingsyid]

My bottom three

pestham
chelshit
filth

****ing heaven

[TomMcLaren]

Dream on! And it is a wonderful dream....

For me, bottom 3 is
18 Man Shitty
19 Derby
20 Wigan

[GOONHATER]

My bottom three

pestham
chelshit
filth

****ing heaven

it would be nice, but can i ask what med's u r on!
wigan
derby
foolham

[hastingsyid]

it would be nice, but can i ask what med's u r on!
wigan
derby
foolham

:confused: too much malt whisky fella:D

[Gino Ginelli]

Sunderland
Derby
Birmingham

I predict all of the promoted clubs to be simply too shit for the Prem.

[TURKISH]

In my opinion

18:Birmingham
19:Wigan
20:Derby

[Spur]

In my opinion

18:Birmingham
19:Wigan
20:Derby

Your smiling so much you couldn't even spell their name?

[Ossie]

18.Sunderland
19.Wigan
20.Derby

[TURKISH]

Your smiling so much you couldn't even spell their name?

Im baffed about that LOL i don't remember doing that. I don't have anything against derby as goes lol.

[choda]

Not a chance if sunderland going back down. I put my house, my car and all my worldly possessions on that.

The force of nature that is Roy Keane is at the helm there. It's simply not possible.

Did you see the state Sunderland was in when he took over, for god's sake? He's destined for great things in management. He's going to be one of the greats.

Derby are probably going to be toast. And Birmingham might be able to field a team of strikers but they ain't nothing great. They will struggle.

Who else? Fulham, Man City, Boro, Wigan. Who knows? They will all not be far off. If you ask me now I say Wigan, Birmingham and Derby.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Not a chance if sunderland going back down. I put my house, my car and all my worldly possessions on that.

The force of nature that is Roy Keane is at the helm there. It's simply not possible.

Did you see the state Sunderland was in when he took over, for god's sake? He's destined for great things in management. He's going to be one of the greats.
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One or two slight impediments to your theory; a) last time they came up they blitzed the 2nd division (it's not the Championship and it's not the 1st division) and were possibly the worst side I have seen in the top flight b) Please could you name one of their players who would get into a top 10 Premiership side, I would hazard a guess, none of them. Who will they sign of that quality, again no one.

Relegation certanties in my opinion along with Derby, Brum will probably survive by virtue of the experience in the squad.

[choda]

One or two slight impediments to your theory; a) last time they came up they blitzed the 2nd division (it's not the Championship and it's not the 1st division) and were possibly the worst side I have seen in the top flight b) Please could you name one of their players who would get into a top 10 Premiership side, I would hazard a guess, none of them. Who will they sign of that quality, again no one.

Relegation certanties in my opinion along with Derby, Brum will probably survive by virtue of the experience in the squad.

Would you like to put your money where your mouth is?

I am so impressed with them as a team. They play quality football and move it about quickly.

Roy Keane is a different kettle of fish to McCarthy altogether. They were the worst prem side ever, and that makes what Roy did all the more remarkable. They were totally demoralised.

And he's changed most of the team by the way, out with the chaff. The players he has now are still mostly potential as regards being top class and he has some good old pros. But he will sign a few too.

The team is the real star with them. I'll say it again, absolutely no chance of them going down. There's more chance of a top ten finish.

[Chaydle]

Why don't you bugger off and support Cork City or Shelbourne because your fawning over anybody within a sniff of a sharock is nauseating!

[Chaydle]

Why don't you bugger off and support Cork City or Shelbourne because your fawning over anybody within a sniff of a shamrock is nauseating!

[choda]

Why don't you bugger off and support Cork City or Shelbourne because your fawning over anybody within a sniff of a shamrock is nauseating!

Actually I don't you ****ing tosser.

You only hear me mention the good Irish players or managers. This isn't the place for criticising the faults. Steve Staunton is quite possibly the worst manager going.

Who the **** are you anyway?

[MiloMinderbinder]

Would you like to put your money where your mouth is?

I am so impressed with them as a team. They play quality football and move it about quickly.

Roy Keane is a different kettle of fish to McCarthy altogether. They were the worst prem side ever, and that makes what Roy did all the more remarkable. They were totally demoralised.

And he's changed most of the team by the way, out with the chaff. The players he has now are still mostly potential as regards being top class and he has some good old pros. But he will sign a few too.

The team is the real star with them, thanks to Roy. I'll say it again, absolutely no chance of them going down. There's more chance of a top ten finish.


Honestly, come on they were in a poor 2nd division last year, next year isn't a step up it's an eniterly different game to what these guys are used to, they will get butchered, everyone knows it therefore no decent players will sign. End of. I will go donw the bookies tomorrow and if I can get worth while odds (unliklely, bookies aint stupid) I'll put a tenner on them being down by Easter.

[choda]

Honestly, come on they were in a poor 2nd division last year, next year isn't a step up it's an eniterly different game to what these guys are used to, they will get butchered, everyone knows it therefore no decent players will sign. End of. I will go donw the bookies tomorrow and if I can get worth while odds (unliklely, bookies aint stupid) I'll put a tenner on them being down by Easter.

We'll see mate, but that's what I reckon. They look rather like Reading to me, but probably without as good a goalscorers.

He has money though and a big support. It's a fairly big club there. I can't see them going down.

[Chaydle]

Actually I don't you ****ing tosser.

You only hear me mention the good Irish players or managers. This isn't the place for criticising the faults. Steve Staunton is quite possibly the worst manager going.

Who the **** are you anyway?

Now now, hit a nerve did we?

Do I need to justify who I am to a **** on a forum?

Keane has had one good season as a manager which means sod all and it is far to early to judge his career, he may be the second coming but lets see

[berbzy 'G']

17. Chelsea
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18. Manchester United
19. Arsenal
20. Reading

[choda]

Now now, hit a nerve did we?

Do I need to justify who I am to a **** on a forum?

Keane has had one good season as a manager which means sod all and it is far to early to judge his career, he may be the second coming but lets see

People tend to get that way when you tell them to bugger off and support somebody else.

I respect my fellow yids.

You're not a regular on here so I don't know who you are. I'm a ****, hmm, okay.

I said some things you didn't agree with, oh what a crime.

Keane has all the qualities to become a great manager and I've seen his team play. That's what I'm basing my prediction on, but it's just a prediction.

Forgive me, I thought people had the right to state their opinion without recieving racist abuse.

[hastingsyid]

now now fellas behave and act nicely just like hastingsyid does

[SurreySpur]

WOW, there's a row going on and neither Jrio or Mjbmedia are involved!! ;)

[Spur]

WOW, there's a row going on and neither Jrio or Mjbmedia are involved!! ;)

:D Good one.

[singapore spur]

i got to say i think keane has done brilliant so far for sunderland , i dont see them going down straight away , as jewell and then coppel have prooved if you get some honest pros working hard for each other , mix in a couple of good youngsters you can survive in the premiership and i think we will see that this year from them .
the danger is complacency thinking that they have cracked it , but you cant see keane letting that happen , as i think happened with brum 2 seasons ago , or as s nearly happened with wham , wigan , and did happen with sheffield last year .


in the bottom half of the premiership i think the managers influence means so much more than the top

[olly27]

Yeah I cant see sunderland going down..Yeah they were woeful last time under McCarthry...but under Keane I expect a completly different animal..that guy just wont accept it...I love his motto..'fail to prepare...prepare to fail'... Yes its a massive step up but I think the structure of the club looks excellent now..big Quinny will fully support Keane I expect and they will have a few bob..not to mention a decent stadium with a good following..I have watched them quite a few times this season and they look good allbeit in the championship. They will be on a real high at the moment buzzing with confidence...but Keane will also have the ability to keep their feet firmly on the ground..a few good signings and I could see them being similar to Reading or West hams previous season. For me they wont go down.

However it is fair comment regarding Keane's short time in management...but I tell ya the honeymoon period never seemed to end..which makes you think this guy could really have it..lets be honest, would it really surprise anyone if he turned out to be one of the greats in management? Wouldn't surprise me at all - time will tell.

[olly27]

On another note - why is someone being told to f off and support someone else just cos they are making a point and expressing an opinion? Whats that all about!...To who ever wrote that you may actually want to take a look at how many posts Choda has done in here - an indication of how much he enjoys talking about Spurs and to fellow Spurs supporters..

[Chaydle]

If you read the post no-one was told to f-off at all, I am aware that choda is a regular poster by his transfer value but that doesn't mean anything apart from having too much time on his hands?

I had just noticed his apparent view of anybody who is irish and a good player/manager can do no wrong or is world class, apart from roy keane as a player i can think of no other world class players to come out of ireland for the last 20 years, and apart from Liam Brady take that back even further!

[choda]

If you read the post no-one was told to f-off at all, I am aware that choda is a regular poster by his transfer value but that doesn't mean anything apart from having too much time on his hands?

I had just noticed his apparent view of anybody who is irish and a good player/manager can do no wrong or is world class, apart from roy keane as a player i can think of no other world class players to come out of ireland for the last 20 years, and apart from Liam Brady take that back even further!

You're a little dim chap, and a bit of a racist.

Some people have a slightly different view on what world class is for a start. And I fail to see where I've said no Irish man can do no wrong or is world class.

I think this has come from some recent posts you disagreed with, which you are taking in isolation.

I said Robbie Keane is bordering on world class, and anybody can see that is true. And I think Roy Keane will be a world class manager. I also reckon that Andy Reid has a huge talent to play in central midfield and could become a top player. Just my opinion, it's nothing to do with him being Irish.

And I don't know where this anger towards me and Irish people is coming from. It must be racism and that you are simple.

Just because you disagree with a favourable comment and it is being made about somebody who to be from the same country as the poster, it doesn't mean they are biased, duh.

Mjbmedia rates Defoe and Jenas very highly. I disagree with him but I don't call him biased and tell him to bugger off and just support England. I'm sure it's just his geniune unbiased opinion, even if I don't share it at all.

As for the world class players I think you are forgetting Paul McGrath, Damian Duff in his prime, Shay Given, Georgie Best and John Giles.

Of course you probably won't just debate this like a normal person, but start acting like a monkey because you don't have the brains to simply make good points and back them up well.

A decent bloke would have just apologised for a really stupid remark. Grow up pal, we're all yids here.

I don't know how coherent this message is, I'm tired and drunk and I need to go to bed.

[olly27]

[QUOTE=Chaydle;50800]If you read the post no-one was told to f-off at all, I am aware that choda is a regular poster by his transfer value but that doesn't mean anything apart from having too much time on his hands?

I had just noticed his apparent view of anybody who is irish and a good player/manager can do no wrong or is world class, apart from roy keane as a player i can think of no other world class players to come out of ireland for the last 20 years, and apart from Liam Brady take that back even further![/QUOTE#

Bugger off then...whats your point...it implies the same thing..

[Chaydle]

[QUOTE=choda;50816]
As for the world class players I think you are forgetting Paul McGrath, Damian Duff in his prime, Shay Given, Georgie Best and John Giles.

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Geogre Best granted but he is from Northern Ireland, the others, no chance, not even our Robbie is approaching world class, good premiership player nothing more.

I just get fed up with the term world class being bandied about without any justification, I agree that it depends on your definition on world class and for me it is a player that has played exceptionally well for 4-5 years at the highest level (league/europe/national team). Regretably no current Spurs players at the moment adhere to this. In the EPL I can only think of Henry, Makele, Gerrard, Rooney, Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Scholes, Cech who at the moment fall into that category.

I resent being called a racist, I'm married to a irish girl! Just because someone disagrees with a point it's a cheap and easy shot to make

I regret and apologise for telling you to support an irish team it was rather childish.

[olly27]

[QUOTE=choda;50816]
As for the world class players I think you are forgetting Paul McGrath, Damian Duff in his prime, Shay Given, Georgie Best and John Giles.

QUOTE]


Geogre Best granted but he is from Northern Ireland, the others, no chance, not even our Robbie is approaching world class, good premiership player nothing more.

I just get fed up with the term world class being bandied about without any justification, I agree that it depends on your definition on world class and for me it is a player that has played exceptionally well for 4-5 years at the highest level (league/europe/national team). Regretably no current Spurs players at the moment adhere to this. In the EPL I can only think of Henry, Makele, Gerrard, Rooney, Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Scholes, Cech who at the moment fall into that category.

I resent being called a racist, I'm married to a irish girl! Just because someone disagrees with a point it's a cheap and easy shot to make

I regret and apologise for telling you to support an irish team it was rather childish.

Fair play mate...and agree with you the term 'world class' is used far to easily......only the the cream of the footballing community should be branded with such titles..

[dommo]

Ronaldo has only done it for 1year.....

I do agree with the term being over used...... that's mainly got to do with our footballing experts on Sky and BBC i reckon.....

[Chaydle]

Yes I've just re-thought the players i mentioned, certainly Ronaldo in that bracket for the last 2-3 years, Rooney 3 years but the potential is certainly there as is with Berba!

[choda]

Geogre Best granted but he is from Northern Ireland, the others, no chance, not even our Robbie is approaching world class, good premiership player nothing more.

I just get fed up with the term world class being bandied about without any justification, I agree that it depends on your definition on world class and for me it is a player that has played exceptionally well for 4-5 years at the highest level (league/europe/national team). Regretably no current Spurs players at the moment adhere to this. In the EPL I can only think of Henry, Makele, Gerrard, Rooney, Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Scholes, Cech who at the moment fall into that category.

I resent being called a racist, I'm married to a irish girl! Just because someone disagrees with a point it's a cheap and easy shot to make

I regret and apologise for telling you to support an irish team it was rather childish.

Fair play Chaydle.

I apologise for calling you dim and a racist, you were just getting the wrong end of the stick.

But I've no problem with you disagreeing with me, it was the other shit.

I see what you are saying with the world class thing, but I just comment on what it means to most people, which is being in the top 5 or 6 in your position in the world. I take your point but I think it's easiest to just use the term in the way it is agreed upon by most people, instead of getting into debates over that.

Maybe you disagree that Keano is close to that bracket, but my opinion is that I would only replace him with a handful of players in the world, nothing to do with him being Irish or a yid.

Moratti, the Inter president says he 'deeply regrets letting Keane go because he is playing perfect football now, an exciting world class player.'

I don't know if you've seen how Given has played for Ireland, but if you ask any Irish person they will tell you he hasn't a game less than outstanding at the highest level for probably 6 years. The Geordies know how good he is as well. There are only two keepers in the world I'd rather have, and they are Buffon and Cech. He's been the Irish team's best player by a mile in the last few years.

From 2001 to 2006 the Duff was surely one of the best in his position. In the 2002 world cup he was one of the players of the tournament. People here were up in arms that he wasn't in the team of the tournament, but perhaps it was only open to the last 8 and we went out in the last 16. He has gone to shit recently.

And Paul Mcgrath, in my view, was one of the most talented centre backs that ever played the game. When we played the golden generation of Portugal in a Euro '96 play off, Eusabio rushed down to the pitch after the game and guess who's jersey he wanted before he retired, Paul McGrath.

I think aside from George Best he is the most naturally talented player we've ever had. He wasn't a great leader like Roy Keane, but like the corkman, and Given, I can't remember a less than excellent display by him in an Ireland shirt.

And his display in WC '94 against Italy in the Giants Stadium New York was the best centre back performance I've ever seen. It was truly extraordinary, he even made Phil Babb look world class that day!

It's pity for his club career that he had such bad injuries and that he was an alco.

I said George Best because most people over here don't think of north and south, just Irish. As he said himself, 'I don't get all this north and south stuff, British or Irish, I'm just Irish.'

With the yids I'd personally rate King as world class, he's so good, Berbatov, obviously, and Keane not far off, Lennon not far off. And I've high hopes for Bale and this Taarabt kid.

I think what also has to be considered is that there is a big hype machine in England. The media are really something to behold. Sometimes I have a go at some players and it may seem unjust but it is just my opinion and a reaction to the way they are in my eyes overated.

I also react a bit to players being underated or getting abuse they don't deserve. You do get the impression that English players get an extra star in the media simply because they are English and the Welsh, Irish, Scottish players of merit never quite get the same recogniton and possibly becuase they're pissed off they don't have some of the players that would prove very useful.

You know that list you gave, of those players being world class? You know I do agree with it, loosely, but I'd have many reservations over some of those players with regard to how they are rated.

Makalele is as good a holding midfielder without the ball as anyone ever but his touch and passing are piss poor, Gerrard's build up play is poor and it really shows at the highest level, Ronaldo with as much abilty as he has is still a bird-brain and doesn't do it in the big games, and Henry has continually failed to produce outside the premier league, big game player? I don't think so and that's one of my main criteria for a star.

I think the English players that are the real deal and not overated in any way are Terry, King, Woodgate, Scholes, Lennon, Rooney and Owen (maybe a tad overated at times). All big game players and without any major flaws for what they are supposed to be doing. I've always said that I think the boy Rooney will become one of the greats. He had a poor year by his standards but I think he's a very special talent.

In fact, I think if England recognised the real talents they have and the limitations of some of the others, they could actually put out a balanced team that could challenge for a world cup.

[Chaydle]

Excellent, so have we made up now?

Players we rate and who we don't will always be a bone of contention between football fans and it's what makes it such a fascinating and compulsive game. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

I agree that Given is probably the second best keeper in the EPL but what counts against him is the lack of european football at Newcastle and the failure of Ireland to get to any recent World cup/euro championsip finals in last few years.

Duff had one or two good seasons at Blackburn but since trying to make the step up at Chelsea, apart from his first season, has been found wanting, largely i would admit down to injuries.

McGrath I do like, classy with a unbelievable reading of the game, an irish Baresi!

Robbie Keane is a puzzle to me though, I love him for all the imprompu flicks, pieces of skill and general awareness but he really frustrates me on the other hand by not doing the easy things, if i was a striker playing with him you wouldn't know what to expect! But that is what makes him a Tottenham type of player!

[choda]

Excellent, so have we made up now?

Players we rate and who we don't will always be a bone of contention between football fans and it's what makes it such a fascinating and compulsive game. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

I agree that Given is probably the second best keeper in the EPL but what counts against him is the lack of european football at Newcastle and the failure of Ireland to get to any recent World cup/euro championsip finals in last few years.

Duff had one or two good seasons at Blackburn but since trying to make the step up at Chelsea, apart from his first season, has been found wanting, largely i would admit down to injuries.

McGrath I do like, classy with a unbelievable reading of the game, an irish Baresi!

Robbie Keane is a puzzle to me though, I love him for all the imprompu flicks, pieces of skill and general awareness but he really frustrates me on the other hand by not doing the easy things, if i was a striker playing with him you wouldn't know what to expect! But that is what makes him a Tottenham type of player!

There's pint at the bar with your name on it yiddo. A pint of the brown I'd imagine. ;)

I agree with you there about Robbie, and it's why I hold back from calling him world class. He has what I would call a tricky mind, at times. When he has too much time he sometimes over thinks instead of just playing in the present.

I'm not sure he isn't readable though. He always plays well with a partner. I mean him and Berba are currently unmatched as a partnership. I haven't seen as telepathic a one since Jimmy and Eider.

I think what holds Robbie back is possibly a lack of real pace, a lack of a stronger shot and a very big need to thrill and entertain. He seems to rely so much on his brain to get what he wants on a football pitch and sometimes that stops him from doing the simple most effective thing at times.

But I do find it hard to cricitise him, I love that type of player, especially one with such a good brain.

He also seems to be getting better and better every year now at doing the simple thing when it is the best thing to do. I always thought he just needed a good coach to work under day in day out, and he has that now.

I forgot to mention Johnny Giles in my last post. Did you know he was recently voted the best Rep. of Ireland player ever? I think Roy Keane deserves that accolade, but Giles was a fantastic player too.