American Takeover Talks???

[berbzy 'G']

'Tottenham are the latest target for an American takeover' according to The News Of The World...

It's a good idea, Atleast that Martin Jol will be handed alot of money to spend on top players in transfers... can't see any diadvantages of the takeover???

[TURKISH]

We allready got over 20million to spend this summer so what would benefit us from selling? We allways have money to spend and every year it's getting more and more. All i can think of refurbishment of white hart lane but levy and his band of merry men are doing it any way.

I also don't want the club to lose it's identity like chelsea, we have come a long way again through good buisness and a loyal board who have allways provided money. And i for one would not like levy to go! :cool:

Also i think are board and investers are richer than we think but we keep it low key so we don't get bullied into over paying clubs like chelsea do.

[highlander]

impressive as a billionaire owner would be to have as owner id much rather keep the current board. we've made massive progress with the set up as it is now and it would eb a shame to hand the club over to someone looking for a quick profit and a slice of the premiership pie.

also Levy is a great chairman who deserves a lot of credit. it seems he is a genuine football guy with the clubs best interests at heart

[RuFuS]

It's gonna happen one way or another best we get used to it. :( I dont care what the nationality is as long as they got the dosh.:D

[berbzy 'G']

It's gonna happen one way or another best we get used to it. :( I dont care what the nationality is as long as they got the dosh.:D

---- exactly... IF the company decides to takeover, They are bound to give us around £30-£40 million to spend, I don't care who it is, as long as we get some key players to snacth 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th spot, thats all that matters???


:)

[Spur]

Im starting to think that the only way to compete is to have a takeover happen.

If ya can't beat 'em join them.

I hope to be proven wrong. But when Arsenal get taken out you'll have 10 clubs or so with a sugar daddy.

[jrio]

It's a good idea, Atleast that Martin Jol will be handed alot of money to spend on top players in transfers... can't see any diadvantages of the takeover???

American businessmen aren't buying Premier clubs just so they can dish out large wads of cash for big transfers. Any takeover would be funded by loading the club with debt - the Glazer's interest payments at United are about £25m a year. United aren't spending more on players than before the takeover. These buyers are solely interested in the tv money and the realisation that football clubs also have a core of fans who can be milked for all they're worth. I'd guess they'd have a hard time topping Levy's schemes but they'd probably just see that as an appetiser.

The only owner who could be seen as a sugar daddy is possibly Abramovich but his spending(£350m) and taking on of debt(£150m) is seemingly matched by the increased asset value of Chelsea Village at about £500m which he acquired for a nominal sum as a result of taking on the debt. That's why the spending is being sharply reduced with the idea of the club breaking even by 2011. The last real sugar daddies were Jacks Walker and Hayward, both actual fans of their respective clubs who invested large sums they never got back. You won't see any Americans doing that.

[berbzy 'G']

Levys a good chairmen as it is I suppose, But it would be nice to see some changes???

[TURKISH]

Levys a good chairmen as it is I suppose, But it would be nice to see some changes???

The only changes for me is on the pitch and we have enough funds to do that. Im a traditionalist and i don't want tottenham hotspur fc losing it's identity.


What's actually gone wrong since levy took charge? And what need's to change that we can't do with the tools we got now?

[berbzy 'G']

THis is what I honestly think we should change in my opinion:

(1) New stadium, 45000 seat capacity (We do have alot of supporters all over
England.

(2) I agree with a takeover, Because we don't seem to get ****ing nowhere
with Levy.

(3) A new takeover would give Jol alot of spending money to buy key players


:D

[AssaTM]

"(2) I agree with a takeover, Because we don't seem to get ****ing nowhere
with Levy."

...Excuse me? how was we doing a few years ago? thought so :p

[berbzy 'G']

... Levy is nothing to do with how the team play, thats Martin Jol's job???

[Billywhizz]

(2) I agree with a takeover, Because we don't seem to get ****ing nowhere
with Levy.:D

Wwwwwhhhoooaaaa!!!!!!:eek: there Berbs, If it was'nt for Levy we'd still be with
the Alan Sugar regime "going knowhere with no European football, and happy @ a mid-table finish.

Give the man some credit, he's taken us a lot further than we've been in the last 10 years.!!! ;)

[jrio]

(3) A new takeover would give Jol alot of spending money to buy key players


:D

It would do no such thing. Any prospective buyers would be taking money out of the club. None of these prospective buyers would be providing funds to the club. You're incredibly naive not to realise why there has been such a wave of buyers willing to take over Prem clubs. They've got no interest in football, fans or fairness - their only motivation is the dollar signs in their eyes.

Levy I have little regard for albeit he has a good deal of financial acumen. His first few years were a disaster for the club, worse than under Sugar's regime. Appointing Arnesen was the most astute decision he's taken and even then he ignored his advice to appoint Jol, instead thinking he could assuage fans' concerns with a big name manager.

[TURKISH]

[QUOTE=berbs;48881]THis is what I honestly think we should change in my opinion:

(1) New stadium, 45000 seat capacity (We do have alot of supporters all over
England.
First Mr Levy is allready sorting out a new 55,000 stadium not 45,000 but due to us having no where to play when it's being refurbished, seems to be the problem. And why build an extra 10,000 seats when we got an extra 30,000 on the waiting list?
(2) I agree with a takeover, Because we don't seem to get ****ing nowhere
with Levy.
Where did you come up with that? What do you expert us to win the league, cl, fa cup every season? Give him a break at least we are a good team who are moving in the right direction under levy! I member the best we could hope for was top half of the table.
(3) A new takeover would give Jol alot of spending money to buy key players
Jol will be buying key players under levy anyway! Who's money brought in keano, defoe, berbs, carrick, dawson, lennon ect.....levy was also the man who wanted a big change in club direction in bringing frank arnesen and a french santini in but later appointing jol as manager even though we lost our 4 next games under him.

If you think Levy is a shit chairman then you should look before he took over and after he took over.

[gazzaG8]

Spot on TURKISH! we're moving in the right direction under Levy & Jol so why sell to someone whose going to rip the heart out of our beloved club

[TomMcLaren]

Hate to point this out, but we do already have a billionaire backer - Joe Lewis, owner of ENIC. But he's got a bit more business sense than Roman. Do we really want someone to come in and splash the cash? I think we have enough money to make the right signings - and hit the top 4 next season. All we need is early season consistency and some judicious signings and we can do it. Oh, and MJ learning how to make substitutions.

[TomMcLaren]

p.s. on the same subject, check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=452680&in_page_id=1779

[TURKISH]

Yer i heard about joe lewis and i could be wrong but i think we only spend to the amount we recoup on ticket sales, marketing ect. We are run like a buisness were chelsea is like a rich boy toy.

[jrio]

Under Lewis ENIC has had substantial interests in several clubs in the past, Slavia Prague and Venezia amongst them, and it's always been for strictly hardline business reasons. They've never pumped money into clubs for extravagant transfer purchases or even for any transfer purchases. At the stage where Lewis feels he can maximize his investment, he'll give the order to sell. Unless he gets a truly ridiculous offer it's most likely to be at the stage where the club is in a re-developed ground and being consistently successful on the pitch.

[singapore spur]

seeeing as we have enic behind us already , and as stated run as a cold calculating business , as evidenced by hiking up ticket prices , displaying no loyalty to the long standing fans , i dont see that its going to make much difference .
to its eternal detriment football , especially the premier league is a franchise above all other sporting markets , and this is bound to draw the sharks of the business world . inevitable but sad .
i would also agree levy has been a good chairman , under his control spurs have really never been in a better position ( well in the last 20-30 yrs )

[Spur]

The only reason we might see more money being pumped in from Lewis is because his son is getting involved with us.

[mjbmedia]

Levy loves Spurs, the last chairman we had who had spurs at heart was Uncle Irving Scholar and we done good under him with some cup wins and ,previous to MJ's reign , our best league finish since Sir Bill .
NOw we're moving on and upwards but we want to stay SPurs, Chelsea aint Chelsea anymore , Man u aint Man U and Liverpool soon wont be Liverpool , theyre just rich mans playthings until some blonde bimbo comes along to distract them (o sorry Roman your whores' just left you hasnt she).

We're being run for long term growth and stability with some stunning sucesses along the way

[SurreySpur]

Levy loves Spurs, the last chairman we had who had spurs at heart was Uncle Irving Scholar and we done good under him with some cup wins and ,previous to MJ's reign , our best league finish since Sir Bill .
NOw we're moving on and upwards but we want to stay SPurs, Chelsea aint Chelsea anymore , Man u aint Man U and Liverpool soon wont be Liverpool , theyre just rich mans playthings until some blonde bimbo comes along to distract them (o sorry Roman your whores' just left you hasnt she).

We're being run for long term growth and stability with some stunning sucesses along the way

HERE HERE!!

Absolutley Spot on MJB

[jrio]

Levy loves Spurs, the last chairman we had who had spurs at heart was Uncle Irving Scholar and we done good under him with some cup wins and ,previous to MJ's reign , our best league finish since Sir Bill .


Scholar! Either he really is your uncle or you know little of our history under him. The guy that did more than anyone to put the club on the road to ruin. He was the main driving force behind the "big five's" threat to break away from the league in the 80s, which he used to force through the change that enabled home clubs to keep all of their gate receipts. The greed you see now in football that disgusts fans originated from Scholar's drive to stop being "held back by rest of the league". Under him the club faced bankruptcy, had to sell Gascoigne, and was only saved from that and the even worse possible fate of being in Maxwell's hands by Sugar buying the club. It was under Scholar that Burkinshaw uttered the words "There used to be a football club over there" before departing.

Maybe you remember some of the dismal innovations that occurred under Scholar. Under the guise of expanding the ground to have a "big end" like the Kop and Stretford End he attempted to justify the compulsory removal of season ticket holders from the Shelf for the benefit of executive box holders, so I guess he's something of an inspiration for Levy. His brainchild of buying businesses like Hummel to generate profits for the club resulted in large losses. Hummel had contracts with the likes of Coventry and Southampton to supply kits which they were unable to deliver until about November(!) and had to pay compensation for lost sales. The fiasco of rebuilding the East Stand meant that it wasn't ready to be opened in time for our first home game in the 88-89 season which had to be postponed.

What trophies did we win under Scholar? One UEFA Cup under the incumbent manager, less than Sugar's FA and League Cup. Scholar then went on to record another great achievement - the ruin of Nottingham Forest, double European Cup Winners who ended up in the old 3rd Division. Along with Ridsdale and Bates, he's assisted in creating a unique first - England is the only country where 2 former European Cup finalists have been subsequently relegated into their country's third division.

Mjb's analysis is about as sophisticated as berbs'. As long as the results are improving and there's talk of big money transfers for those "2 or 3 players that take us to the next level", they'd be happy with a killer shark in charge. Levy loves Spurs about as much as Rooney loves Everton. They both love money though, and lots of it.

[Gino Ginelli]

Scholar! Either he really is your uncle or you know little of our history under him. The guy that did more than anyone to put the club on the road to ruin. He was the main driving force behind the "big five's" threat to break away from the league in the 80s, which he used to force through the change that enabled home clubs to keep all of their gate receipts. The greed you see now in football that disgusts fans originated from Scholar's drive to stop being "held back by rest of the league". Under him the club faced bankruptcy, had to sell Gascoigne, and was only saved from that and the even worse possible fate of being in Maxwell's hands by Sugar buying the club. It was under Scholar that Burkinshaw uttered the words "There used to be a football club over there" before departing.

Maybe you remember some of the dismal innovations that occurred under Scholar. Under the guise of expanding the ground to have a "big end" like the Kop and Stretford End he attempted to justify the compulsory removal of season ticket holders from the Shelf for the benefit of executive box holders, so I guess he's something of an inspiration for Levy. His brainchild of buying businesses like Hummel to generate profits for the club resulted in large losses. Hummel had contracts with the likes of Coventry and Southampton to supply kits which they were unable to deliver until about November(!) and had to pay compensation for lost sales. The fiasco of rebuilding the East Stand meant that it wasn't ready to be opened in time for our first home game in the 88-89 season which had to be postponed.

What trophies did we win under Scholar? One UEFA Cup under the incumbent manager, less than Sugar's FA and League Cup. Scholar then went on to record another great achievement - the ruin of Nottingham Forest, double European Cup Winners who ended up in the old 3rd Division. Along with Ridsdale and Bates, he's assisted in creating a unique first - England is the only country where 2 former European Cup finalists have been subsequently relegated into their country's third division.

Mjb's analysis is about as sophisticated as berbs'. As long as the results are improving and there's talk of big money transfers for those "2 or 3 players that take us to the next level", they'd be happy with a killer shark in charge. Levy loves Spurs about as much as Rooney loves Everton. They both love money though, and lots of it.

... and with that, you've been Punk'd! :p

[mjbmedia]

EHHHHHH when did Sugar in the FA cup then????

1991 Irving was still there , Sugar and Terry took over after that cup was won , get your facts right if you intend to be so forceful with your incorrect and misguided views. :rolleyes:

youre just gutted cos youre being asked to pay more and more to go watch spurs, dont go then, we'll still sell out of season tickets , and most games .
Levy is getting the money in prior to paying for the redevelopment rather than wracking up higher interest ALA Arsenal. Youre being asked to pay for the future of Spurs. If thats a problem then dont do it. simple.

[SurreySpur]

Jrio, you're one miserable bloke. Cheer up pal, smile, go on .....try it!!

[jrio]

EHHHHHH when did Sugar in the FA cup then????

1991 Irving was still there , Sugar and Terry took over after that cup was won , get your facts right if you intend to be so forceful with your incorrect and misguided views. :rolleyes:

youre just gutted cos youre being asked to pay more and more to go watch spurs, dont go then, we'll still sell out of season tickets , and most games .
Levy is getting the money in prior to paying for the redevelopment rather than wracking up higher interest ALA Arsenal. Youre being asked to pay for the future of Spurs. If thats a problem then dont do it. simple.

Fair enough, but just still there. Then Sugar took over(other options at the time were Maxwell or HSBC foreclosing on us with debts of £20m), Gascoigne was sold and the club started on a steady slide down.

F*** me, you're telling me to get my facts right!! I notice you didn't respond to the points I made about "Uncle Irving's" days in charge, which you thought were some high watermark. And not gutted mate, disgusted, so you're right, I won't be going unlike the sheep and muppets that put up with it until the results aren't so favourable and then choose to complain. Jokers like you put the club where it was in the 90s. So often I heard fans defending Scholar's plans, particularly his f******* "big end" enticement while he wanted to turf season ticket holders out of the Shelf. Remember them, mate? They were paying for Tottenham's future.

Your attitude is like Levy's and it stinks as much but then you don't go, do you? We know Levy's angle - suck the fans dry short of turnover decreasing. We know yours - ignorant prattle based around the mantra of money that's not coming from you. The increase in prices has nothing to do with redevelopment. If you paid any attention to the facts you'd know that. The "membership survey" was a transparent exercise to raise prices vastly in excess of inflation because a little taste of non-mediocrity has stoked interest - interestingly Levy's scheme is a copy of Arsenal's. It's purely exploiting demand over supply. The money it will generate can't possibly cater for ground redevelopment. That will have to be raised through bonds or loans - probably about £100-150m. Even an innumerate like you will be able to work out that £8-£15 on a membership sub plus forcing members to buy the worst seat in the East and West Stands can't generate more than £1m next season. Arsenal initially faced a high gearing on their debt but their stadium was completed on time, the stadium sells out(even at a top price of £95), they have regular CL competition guaranteeing high revenues, and that enabled them to renegotiate the terms on their debt which is payable over about 20 years.

You're like Levy's parrot. Funny how 2 out of Scholar, Ridsdale and Bates - the first 2 at least could possibly correspond to "fans" - went on from financial disaster at large clubs to other clubs and replicated the same. God save us from fans in sole charge of clubs. God save us from fans like you, mjb, the kind of ****wit who somehow thinks Spurs have been underpricing their tickets whilst their fans have been enjoying continued success at low prices, and now need to pay the market price. Never mind, you can enjoy it all on your tv and prance around in town in next season's shirt, all the while telling anyone bored enough to listen to you about what a "loyal" fan you are. The same fool who posted about no loyalty in football, citing Rodney Marsh as an example of loyalty without realising he moved for a record fee from Fulham to City, and seemed to think it was ok for Chimbo to leg it from Wigan, but would regard any of our players going to ManU or Chelsea as some great betrayal.

I wish you'd **** off to Chelsea.

[TomMcLaren]

BTW, I actually don't give a **** if they raise prices, cos I'm really rich.

[mjbmedia]

BTW, I actually don't give a **** if they raise prices, cos I'm really rich.
:D :D :D :cool:

and i live in Wales and am moving to Oz so i dont go no more anyway so Levy raise your prices drive the skank fans out we only want rich supporters at The Lane, no riff raff theres a good chap what what!!

[TomMcLaren]

As long as they keep the mayo on the prawn sandwiches, that all I care about.