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Neil_Vaughan
3rd May 2007, 11:44 AM
Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

Spur
3rd May 2007, 11:45 AM
Charlton know they are down, easy three points.

Only bad thing about this game is i'll be sitting in the home end...

SurreySpur
3rd May 2007, 11:50 AM
This is a must win game but its not going to be a walkover by any means. Charlton will fight for every ball and will close us down all over the pitch, if we score first their heads will drop and we'll go on to win it. If they score first they'll really fancy themselves to get something from the game.
I can see a tight victory for our boys, i wan to say 2-1 but as its Spurs it'll probably be 3-2 or 4-3!!

olly27
3rd May 2007, 11:52 AM
I agree - three points should be the case...Charlton just dont have the players, bar Bent, and their defence is poor..I expect Keano and Berba to cause chaos here...bring em on!!

olly27
3rd May 2007, 11:54 AM
West Ham have better players than Charlton and proved to be a classic there...I just cant see Charlton getting anything here unless they get a considerable amount of luck and rub of the green..

Gino Ginelli
3rd May 2007, 01:04 PM
I'm afraid I will not accept anything less than victory from this game, and if we concede another 2 goals against this lot I'll be having a right go at our defenders, regardless how good Daws has been this year.

We NEED that UEFA cup spot so we should be ripping them apart. And for god's sake Jol, play Lennon on the right and start Steed!

MaccYid
3rd May 2007, 01:40 PM
I'm afraid I will not accept anything less than victory from this game, and if we concede another 2 goals against this lot I'll be having a right go at our defenders, regardless how good Daws has been this year.

We NEED that UEFA cup spot so we should be ripping them apart. And for god's sake Jol, play Lennon on the right and start Steed!

Gino, i presume you want us to win then..... ;)

wayne wonder
3rd May 2007, 03:04 PM
Im going for a 3-2 victory to the hotspurs!!!

My motto is we'll let you score 2 or 3 but we can score 3 or 4 so **** YA!!:p

olly27
3rd May 2007, 03:10 PM
Could see them scoring one..thats about it for me..I reckon 3-1 to the Spurs...berby to get 2 and Keano the other...:)

highlander
3rd May 2007, 06:07 PM
i think this is an absolutely huge game and i reckon Charlton will make it very difficult for us. cant see an easy win at all, in fact id probably take the draw (keeping in mind we do have 2 home games after so that should be 6 points)

jrio
3rd May 2007, 08:29 PM
Anyone thinking Charlton have accepted relegation and will barely turn up is very wide of the mark(yes, that's you Spur). The last game they lost at home was against Chelsea. The only other game they've lost at home under Pardew was to Boro. Our only away clean sheet in the league this season was against Watford. Last season Murphy controlled the game for over 50 minutes as we went 2-0 down and we looked ready for a hiding. There'll certainly be a few goals and the games haven't often ended in draws but I'd take a point.

peterc
3rd May 2007, 08:56 PM
Yes, Charlton can provide us with a tough game but I feel confident, I predict 3-0 win to the mighty Spurs.

SurreySpur
3rd May 2007, 08:58 PM
Yes, Charlton can provide us with a tough game but I feel confident, I predict 3-0 win to the mighty Spurs.

Jenas Hat-trick? :p

peterc
3rd May 2007, 09:01 PM
Jenas Hat-trick? :p

You never know, that would shut up a few critics, whoever scores does not bother me, as long as we win and get those well needed three points.;)

Spur
3rd May 2007, 10:58 PM
Anyone thinking Charlton have accepted relegation and will barely turn up is very wide of the mark(yes, that's you Spur). The last game they lost at home was against Chelsea. The only other game they've lost at home under Pardew was to Boro. Our only away clean sheet in the league this season was against Watford. Last season Murphy controlled the game for over 50 minutes as we went 2-0 down and we looked ready for a hiding. There'll certainly be a few goals and the games haven't often ended in draws but I'd take a point.

After watching the game against Blackburn, as soon as they conceded, they knew they had no chance. It's over for them and they know it. It's not even like they've got a great support to cheer them on either. They've gone down already. I'd expect more fight from Watford than Charlton right now.

When was the last time we lost at the Valley?

mjbmedia
4th May 2007, 08:21 AM
i remember Defoe terrorising them before, he wont start tho but will be a sub .but i can see us having to put on a late onslaught to win it by the odd goal having fallen behind early on.
It wont be easy, its their last chance of survival and theyll know whats instore as its Monday night and all the others will have played and if the others around us have good results that will mean we're playing under big pressure too.

SurreySpur
4th May 2007, 09:24 AM
Here's who our rivals are playing this weekend.

Saturday 5th May

EVERTON v Portsmouth

READING v Watford

westham v BOLTON

I would expect all three to pick up maximum points this weekendso we really need to match them.

MaccYid
4th May 2007, 09:43 AM
Keane struggling with an ankle injury, still hope for a win. I will go for 2-1 win with Dawson and Berba scoring

Gino Ginelli
4th May 2007, 10:07 AM
If Keane is struggling then that simply means a start for Defoe, and I for one have just as much faith in Jermaine as I do Robbie. I'd expect an emphatic finish or two from him if he starts. Leaky defence asides, I hope we annihalate (sic... I can't ****ing spell today) them with 4 goals: Berba, Defoe and Jenas(!) to grab em.

jrio
4th May 2007, 12:35 PM
After watching the game against Blackburn, as soon as they conceded, they knew they had no chance. It's over for them and they know it. It's not even like they've got a great support to cheer them on either. They've gone down already. I'd expect more fight from Watford than Charlton right now.

When was the last time we lost at the Valley?

Wrong, they equalised through Darren Bent after conceding the first goal. However, they were down to 10 men and then conceded another through some unfortunate deflections by 2 defenders.

We lost 2-0 two seasons ago, both long range efforts, the first after about 20 minutes from Jerome Thomas on the left. I've a feeling a Murphy free-kick was the second.

wayne wonder
4th May 2007, 12:43 PM
Wrong, they equalised through Darren Bent after conceding the first goal. However, they were down to 10 men and then conceded another through some unfortunate deflections by 2 defenders.

We lost 2-0 two seasons ago, both long range efforts, the first after about 20 minutes from Jerome Thomas on the left. I've a feeling a Murphy free-kick was the second.

Who's Murphy????? :confused: didn't he play for liverpool i remember him being a decent player actually :rolleyes:

MaccYid
4th May 2007, 01:06 PM
Who's Murphy????? :confused: didn't he play for liverpool i remember him being a decent player actually :rolleyes:

Ha Ha, i'm sure he turned us down as he wanted to go to a club on the up....

wayne wonder
4th May 2007, 01:18 PM
Ha Ha, i'm sure he turned us down as he wanted to go to a club on the up....

Oh yes thats the fella bloody hell wonder where he ended up

Spur
4th May 2007, 01:41 PM
Wrong, they equalised through Darren Bent after conceding the first goal. However, they were down to 10 men and then conceded another through some unfortunate deflections by 2 defenders.

I wasn't wrong though, just because they got one back - a lucky goal may I add - doesn't mean they started to take control of the game and push on for survival.

I'll admit with the goals they conceded they were a little unlucky, but as soon as that first goal went in - the Carson fumble I think that one was - they knew they had gone. Operation Ewood was a failure. So was Operation Stay in the Premier League. Their over and out.

I'll eat my hat if we lose this. I'm having a very large bet on a Spurs win, we need it more than they do.

mjbmedia
4th May 2007, 01:59 PM
I'll eat my hat if we lose this. I'm having a very large bet on a Spurs win, we need it more than they do.
YOU need it more than they do!! :p

\jackdaw
4th May 2007, 05:19 PM
I tell you know this wont be an easy a game as many of you think it will. Charlton are down and have nothing to lose where as all the pressure will be on Spurs to push for that place in europe.

How many times do you see at the end of the season a team that is relegated playing out of their skins for the last couple matches and winning.

I hope this will not be the case with Charlton.

Spur
4th May 2007, 06:26 PM
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=464916&CPID=8&clid=6&lid=&title=Adios+Addicks+-+Le+Tissier&tydna=1

Le Tiss basically agrees with me. Certain pooints such as this:

But as soon as the second went in, their heads went down and it could have been more than 4-1 in the end.

And This:

They need to be right behind their team from the word go. Again, in my experience, home games at this stage of the season are a completely different proposition, because you know you can count on the supporters - and sometimes that can make a hell of a difference, especially after such a devastating loss.

Except Charlton don't have the fans that do that.

It's in the bag.

SurreySpur
4th May 2007, 06:41 PM
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=464916&CPID=8&clid=6&lid=&title=Adios+Addicks+-+Le+Tissier&tydna=1

Le Tiss basically agrees with me. Certain pooints such as this:

But as soon as the second went in, their heads went down and it could have been more than 4-1 in the end.

And This:

They need to be right behind their team from the word go. Again, in my experience, home games at this stage of the season are a completely different proposition, because you know you can count on the supporters - and sometimes that can make a hell of a difference, especially after such a devastating loss.

Except Charlton don't have the fans that do that.

It's in the bag.

The phrase 'its in the bag' should never be used when talking about Tottenham, we've all been fans for long enough to know that!!!

mjbmedia
4th May 2007, 07:49 PM
Le Tiss basically agrees with me. Certain pooints such as this:

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ahhh is this one of those experts that you like to deride for saying JJ has good games , yet now he agrees with one of your points hes :cool: :p

Spur
4th May 2007, 09:38 PM
ahhh is this one of those experts that you like to deride for saying JJ has good games , yet now he agrees with one of your points hes :cool: :p

I don't deride experts opinions on JJ. What can I say? I know how JJ plays, so do you, only you don't like to admit it and see things he does that clearly I don't. Mainly because he doesn't do them, but let's not get into this again.

jrio
5th May 2007, 05:33 PM
2 draws and then beating City pretty much guarantees 5th place assuming Everton lose at Chelsea. Blackburn won't be the easy game Spur thinks it will. After beating Toon Hughes will have them convinced they can qualify for Europe with 2 more wins. That would give them 56 points, and as the last is at home to Reading it is readily achieveable.

Spur
5th May 2007, 07:50 PM
Blackburn won't be the easy game Spur thinks it will.

That's funny because that's something i've never said. Just because you say something doesn't neccessarily mean i'll disagree with it.

Of our last three games Blackburn is by far the hardest, and to tell you truth despite it being at home I think we'll struggle for the win.

jrio
5th May 2007, 08:33 PM
That's funny because that's something i've never said. Just because you say something doesn't neccessarily mean i'll disagree with it.

Of our last three games Blackburn is by far the hardest, and to tell you truth despite it being at home I think we'll struggle for the win.

Apologies. It was somebody who said Blackburn wouldn't have anything to play for and sounded like you. We've disagreed on a few major points but not necessarily on most points.

highlander
5th May 2007, 08:43 PM
the Charlton game really will be a tough one, they're at home and they need the maximum 3 points to have a chance of survival so they wont role over easily. this will be very tough and as i said previously: i would take a draw

denis-cro
6th May 2007, 06:45 PM
...this will be very tough and as i said previously: i would take a draw

a draw wouldn“t ba much of a help, neither for them, and neither for us...so I“m going for a win...our win...:)

highlander
6th May 2007, 10:22 PM
a point would be good for us. we've got 2 games in hand and if we were to go up to 8th (which 1 point would be enough to do), with 2 home games to go we'd be fine for UEFA qualification

Indianspur
7th May 2007, 12:24 PM
Im optimistic about this game placed two bets 2-0 and 3-0 with keane and berbs first scorers respectively. only a quid each mind you so hope one of them comes through.
i know we concede too many goals but hoping this will be our first clean sheet in what seems like ages.

SurreySpur
7th May 2007, 02:24 PM
I will say it now!!!!!!!

I'm putting a score on Zokora to score tonight. One of those maze-ups will have to result in a goal sooner or later!!!

Chewy
7th May 2007, 06:19 PM
I have a strange feeling zokora will find the net tonight as well. He has to before the end of the season - you can just tell hes dying to score his first goal for us, he shoots everytime he gets the ball.

My team for tonight would be:

Robbo
Chimbonda Dawson King Rocha
Lennon Jenas Zokora Malbranque
Keane Berbatov

Hopefully ekotto will be on the bench - maybe give him 15minutes at the end.

I wouldn't be suprised or annoyed if Ghaly started and lennon was on the bench. Sometimes its good to use lennon in the last 15-30minutes to turn tired fullbacks.

Chewy

Milney yid
7th May 2007, 06:23 PM
I will actually feel for Charlton should we win tonight. They are a good team, and I admire what Curbishley has done over the years, but that doesn't stop me wanting to win this for our own sakes. 3-2 Spurs, Berbatov and Keane 2

jrio
7th May 2007, 07:09 PM
I will actually feel for Charlton should we win tonight. They are a good team, and I admire what Curbishley has done over the years, but that doesn't stop me wanting to win this for our own sakes. 3-2 Spurs, Berbatov and Keane 2

That was the last game:confused:

I'm guessing you've never been hit by lightning.

Chewy
7th May 2007, 07:24 PM
Heres the team

Robbo
Chimbonda Dawson King Rocha
Lennon Jenas Zokora Tainio
Berbatov Keane

Bench: Cerny, Gardner, Huddlestone, Malbranque, Defoe

Milney yid
7th May 2007, 07:26 PM
Pretty much full strength then. COYS!

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 07:52 PM
We need 1 more goal to score the 100th of the season which is a nice milestone, also no one has scored a hatrick in the league this season .. just got a sneaky feeling here ...

SurreySpur
7th May 2007, 07:57 PM
C'mon boys!!!!

Lets do it!!!!!!!!!!!





COYS

shakey18
7th May 2007, 08:11 PM
The man is ****IN BRILLIANT!!!!! GET IN DIMI!!!!!!!!!!

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 08:12 PM
What a ****ing goal .. just how good is that man ...

Spur
7th May 2007, 08:57 PM
We're certainly making it tough for ourselves by sitting back so bloody deep!

There's some players out there that just ain't up to scratch. Rocha is injured, probably come off now, and Lennon...well, he must be injured, he must be carrying a big problem that has stopped him playing well for the past few months because he's playing worse than most Charlton players right now.

And that includes El-Karkouri, who just got ruined at around about the half way line by a Bulgarian wearing lilywhite - what a touch!

shakey18
7th May 2007, 09:01 PM
We're certainly making it tough for ourselves by sitting back so bloody deep!

There's some players out there that just ain't up to scratch. Rocha is injured, probably come off now, and Lennon...well, he must be injured, he must be carrying a big problem that has stopped him playing well for the past few months because he's playing worse than most Charlton players right now.

And that includes El-Karkouri, who just got raped at around about the half way line by a Bulgarian wearing lilywhite - what a touch!

Agree about Lennon-i'd have put him on the bench and chucked Taarabt in for this one.Lennon's been off the pace for a while now.

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 09:04 PM
Rocha was limping but hopefully he will be fit for the second. At the moment he is about all we got for left back !!

Lennons passes have been really wayward, even worse then the last few games.

If we sit back like that in the second half then Charlton will score, push forward like we did in the first 20 minutes and the game is ours, if we get a second goal it will hopefully knock the stuffing out of them and make it easier for us. Watch us start the second half like the first then on 70 mins they get one back for a nail biting finish.

shakey18
7th May 2007, 09:07 PM
Mmmm.....Gardner......

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 09:18 PM
Gardner at left back is a scary thought ...

shakey18
7th May 2007, 09:38 PM
Again our set-pieces have been ****in awful.............

shakey18
7th May 2007, 09:54 PM
Thank **** for that!!!!!

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 09:55 PM
Great finish by Defoe and great ball through by Berby.

peterc
7th May 2007, 10:01 PM
And The Spurs Go Marching On. Coys

Spur
7th May 2007, 10:03 PM
Certainly made it hard for ourselves. That second goal - that's how simple it was to score against them again and yet it took us 80 minutes...

\jackdaw
7th May 2007, 10:05 PM
Even though we kept a clean sheet I still thought the defending was very sloppy. Against a better team we would have been made to pay.

And as Shakey said the set peices were terrible, why oh why does JJ have to take corners.

jrio
7th May 2007, 10:05 PM
And that includes El-Karkouri, who just got raped at around about the half way line by a Bulgarian wearing lilywhite - what a touch!

Try to avoid using that phrase in football - you must have plenty more in your vocabulary that are much more appopriate.

Spur
7th May 2007, 10:10 PM
Try to avoid using that phrase in football - you must have plenty more in your vocabulary that are much more appopriate.

You know what jrio, I do apologise, your right it just isn't appropriate and I apologise, i'll go back and edit it out as well.

peterc
7th May 2007, 10:16 PM
Certainly made it hard for ourselves. That second goal - that's how simple it was to score against them again and yet it took us 80 minutes...

What's new Spur, we should be used to that, it seems that we all need to have check ups for high blood pressure once the season ends. At least we managed to keep a clean sheet.

jrio
7th May 2007, 10:34 PM
An unusually easy game but without Berb a possible nil-nil draw. Not just because he scored one and assisted one. We didn't create any other chances. Again there was a large element of sitting back in our own third in the second half and relying on breaks that we couldn't deliver goals in. MJ's an obvious advance in quality from previous managers but we now have a particular problem. It's called Berbatov. He's a player so incredibly skilled and possessing of such a positive attitude that the whole team needs to take a quantum leap in quality to persuade him to stay after next season. Money won't do it. Alex Ferguson has 3 targets for next season. We already know one of them, possibly two.

Funnily enough I remember seeing Berb playing for Bayer in CL against ManU and Liverpool a few years ago and thought he had a fairly good touch but would never score goals. I've never entertained ideas relating to be a football manager, but then I know it's more than just picking a team.

Ginola's Son
7th May 2007, 11:07 PM
I thougth we played really well tonight, considering we were playing a team that were supposed to be fighting for their lives, we only left cruise control for a few moments in the game, Charlton never really looked like scoring, even with their umpteen corners, and it was good to see some decent set-piece defending

Berby's goal was sublime, and how cool was it to see Defoe silence to boo'ers.

I don't really take much pleasure in seeing Charlton go down, i'd certainly have rather seen them stay up in favour of West Ham. But us winning was vital, we are nearly there, one more win will do it.

neilmcnab
8th May 2007, 12:04 AM
great and much needed win sets us up just right, but we are very unconvincing in possesion of the ball, no one wants it daws and robbo still punting it as far as they can, we should be much more composed in possesion, surely, blackburn will be a totally different game they have nothing to lose, and love to play on the break, even jol in the interview said we were poor and even worse in second half,yet only brought on deoe with 7mins, anyway for what its wirth its all in our hands.. coys...

Gino Ginelli
8th May 2007, 08:14 AM
Okay, first off; A great win, 2 goals scored, none conceded for the first time in what seems like a decade, with Berbatov showing the sort of supernatural touch that makes me compare him more to Zidane than Hoddle. It puts us in 6th with our game in hand, and sets us up nicely for the UEFA cup place run in.

Now: What in the name of ****ING HELL does it take to make these guys play positively, huh? That game was their for us to own, we had countless opportunities to cut them to pieces, but every single time we dithered, checked the run and passed sideways or backwards. The most infuriating example being Steed (who I thought was way more effective than Lennon - more on that later) saw Berba make a terrific run down the right, losing his marker, yet Steed again stopped, thought "ooh no, i don't like the look of that" (in a Charles Hawtrey voice) and passed it backwards! I actually shouted at the screen, scaring the dog!

And as for Chimbo; when the ball comes to you after an intense period of Charlton pressure, CLEAR IT, don't stand there & let 4 Charlton players crowd you out! Jenas was also guilty of this, whose distribution, as usual, sucked balls. But I'll give him the credit of making some important challenges last night. Other than that, it was business as usual for him.

Ledders and Dawson were, typically, immense. Not a damn thing got past them, and Dawson won every single header he went for. Terry & Ferdinand? Get the **** out, our guys are miles better. Rocha did alright, but was still unconvincing at LB. However, and I know he's a CM by trade, if Tainio was supposed to be playing LW, for christ's sake stay there! How many times do we have to be caught out down that flank before we twig that it might just be a cause for concern? *sigh*

Anyway, we are finally brought to Lennon. He. Was. Shite. Plain and simple. I don't know where his heads at of late but it's not on the pitch. He needs some guidance and focus right now, because it looked to me as though his concentration and confidence is drained. Help him out Jol.

Anyway, sorry to be all ranty after an important win. Berbatov has scored some ace goals this season, but last nights was the best I feel. That was something very special, and I was also glad to see Defoe get a good goal as well. Also encouraging to see the Daws/King pairing is just as effective if not better than ever. But we definately need to up our game on Thursday to beat Blackburn. We need 5th to match last year, anything less and we've gone backwards.

Ginola's Son
8th May 2007, 09:41 AM
Yeah, agree with all that, Chimbo was infuritating us last night too, he really does go from the sublime to the ridiculous with his inability to clear when he has the chance. At one point I was considering searching his locker in search of a Charlton shirt.

Jenas had a good game last night to be fair, didn't stop running, put tackles in and his passing was generally first rate. Credit where it's due.

peterc
8th May 2007, 11:23 AM
I thougth we played really well tonight, considering we were playing a team that were supposed to be fighting for their lives, we only left cruise control for a few moments in the game, Charlton never really looked like scoring, even with their umpteen corners, and it was good to see some decent set-piece defending
What about the twenty minutes that we seemed to switch off, Lennon having his worst perfomance in our colours and playing on the right, Chimbonda was below par.
Berby's goal was sublime, and how cool was it to see Defoe silence to boo'ers.
Agree, two great goals.
I don't really take much pleasure in seeing Charlton go down, i'd certainly have rather seen them stay up in favour of West Ham. But us winning was vital, we are nearly there, one more win will do it.
We really need to put on a much stronger performance to beat Blackburn, they are a much stronger opposition.

Spur
8th May 2007, 11:49 AM
Yeah, agree with all that, Chimbo was infuritating us last night too, he really does go from the sublime to the ridiculous with his inability to clear when he has the chance. At one point I was considering searching his locker in search of a Charlton shirt.

Words similar to those came out of my mouth too. I mean, once or even twice is understandable getting caught in possesion, but 3 or 4 times in a row? I think he had a bet on Charlton to stay up...

Jenas had a good game last night to be fair, didn't stop running, put tackles in and his passing was generally first rate. Credit where it's due.

Jenas played well last night, actually, Jenas played well defensively. He broke up attacks and even slid in a couple of times. He made one or two mistakes at the back, where he used his feet instead of his head and lost the ball a few times but much better than his normal game, which is to say he wasn't completely useless.

Again I don't think there was much going forward from him, he's so quick he should make the darting runs forward to replace or support the attackers all the ****ing time, but he just doesn't seem to want to do it. He did it once last night and how many times did we counter? Shitloads. Even Teemu showed more going forward, and his set-pieces...well...

This goes back to jrio's 'he'll only turn up against the small sides', and it does seem to be true enough.

peterc
8th May 2007, 12:56 PM
This goes back to jrio's 'he'll only turn up against the small sides', and it does seem to be true enough.[/QUOTE]

Arsenal, a small team, short memory Spur. Suppose all he did was score that important goal, and helped us to rob the scum a point.

Spur
8th May 2007, 01:12 PM
Arsenal, a small team, short memory Spur. Suppose all he did was score that important goal, and helped us to rob the scum a point.

Exactly what my old man said last night when I said the same thing.

Only thing is, to those who actually watch the game, the one against Arsenal was his worst game for us by far. Not just by a little, by absolute miles.

The Arsenal game is the perfect example of how shocking Jermaine Jenas is. But thanks for bringing it up :D

It's incredibly simplistic to suggest just because a player scores in a match that he's had a good match. JJ saved that game for us, yes, but by him being on the pitch he contributed to throwing it away more than any other player, and so often it's him more than anyone else that contributes to throwing games away with his lacklustre performances.

I'm just begging for the day he makes me eat my words. But like i've said before, it just won't happen.

Short memory? No, chance. I'm so glad you mentioned that game.

peterc
8th May 2007, 03:43 PM
Exactly what my old man said last night when I said the same thing.

Only thing is, to those who actually watch the game, the one against Arsenal was his worst game for us by far. Not just by a little, by absolute miles.

The Arsenal game is the perfect example of how shocking Jermaine Jenas is. But thanks for bringing it up :D

It's incredibly simplistic to suggest just because a player scores in a match that he's had a good match. JJ saved that game for us, yes, but by him being on the pitch he contributed to throwing it away more than any other player, and so often it's him more than anyone else that contributes to throwing games away with his lacklustre performances.

I'm just begging for the day he makes me eat my words. But like i've said before, it just won't happen.

Short memory? No, chance. I'm so glad you mentioned that game.

He might have had a bad game, however, he did end up contributing to our point earned, least said for others who performed just as bad.

Spur
8th May 2007, 03:47 PM
He might have had a bad game, however, he did end up contributing to our point earned, least said for others who performed just as bad.

Well your argument has a fundamental flaw.

No one wearing lilywhite plays as consistantly bad as Jenas. No-one. Ever.

He may have ended up contributing to us getting one point, but he also heavily contributed to us losing 2. Do the math.

Gino Ginelli
8th May 2007, 03:50 PM
No one wearing lilywhite plays as consistantly bad as Jenas. No-one. Ever.


What? Worse than Kevin Scott? Ramon Vega?? You don't mean... worse than Gregorz Rasiak??? :eek:

peterc
8th May 2007, 03:51 PM
Well your argument has a fundamental flaw.

No one wearing lilywhite plays as consistantly bad as Jenas. No-one. Ever.

He may have ended up contributing to us getting one point, but he also heavily contributed to us losing 2. Do the math.

Let's not start the whole arguement all over again, let's call it agree to disagree. As far as I am concerned, a team is made up of eleven players on the pitch and one cannot point at a specific player for a negative result, the only player who might have so much influence on a result is the goalkeeper.

Spur
8th May 2007, 03:52 PM
What? Worse than Kevin Scott? Ramon Vega?? You don't mean... worse than Gregorz Rasiak??? :eek:

I don't think Rasiak had enough games to be considered.

I will definately make an exception for Timothee Atouba though, who quite, remarkably by the logic of certain people on this board has been our best left back for the past 5 years for scoring more goals than all the rest.

Gino Ginelli
8th May 2007, 03:55 PM
I will definately make an exception for Timothee Atouba though, who quite, remarkably by the logic of certain people on this board has been our best left back for the past 5 years for scoring more goals than all the rest.

Say what?!

Spur
8th May 2007, 03:58 PM
Say what?!

I know Gino, remarkable.

I know we've struggled with left backs, but just because he scored a goal doesn't make him the best does it? I mean, think of all those stepovers in his own box!?!?

Chaydle
8th May 2007, 04:05 PM
Do the math.


Is this some new dance craze???

choda
8th May 2007, 04:24 PM
Say what?!

Whoever says Atouba is our best left back in the last five years needs to go for a brain scan. They may have tumor or a psychiatric conditon going untreated.

Spur
8th May 2007, 04:43 PM
Whoever says Atouba is our best left back in the last five years needs to go for a brain scan. They may have tumor or a psychiatric conditon going untreated.

Lol, I don't think my point came across too well, I was trying to put down those that think Jenas is good because he scores once every 5 games.

peterc
8th May 2007, 04:50 PM
Lol, I don't think my point came across too well, I was trying to put down those that think Jenas is good because he scores once every 5 games.

As I've mentioned to you before, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Spur
8th May 2007, 04:51 PM
As I've mentioned to you before, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Wit nonetheless.

Ginola's Son
8th May 2007, 04:51 PM
I don't think Rasiak had enough games to be considered.


Yes he did, he had a few starts and could not impress, know why? Because he is SHIT

And Atouba is possibly the worst player to wear our colours

peterc
8th May 2007, 04:53 PM
Wit nonetheless.

Whatever, If you say so.

peterc
8th May 2007, 04:56 PM
[QUOTE=Ginola's Son;47766]Yes he did, he had a few starts and could not impress, know why? Because he is SHIT

Surprisingly, he is the top scorer for Southampton. Shit, but still scores goals, work that one out.

Ginola's Son
8th May 2007, 05:04 PM
The championship is miles away from the premiership....if Soton come up, you'll see the big **** score **** all, apart from an obligatory hat-trick against Spurs.

peterc
8th May 2007, 05:12 PM
The championship is miles away from the premiership....if Soton come up, you'll see the big **** score **** all, apart from an obligatory hat-trick against Spurs.

Don't be surprised that he wiil haunt us.

Thfc4Life
8th May 2007, 05:22 PM
You lot are boring as **** :p

All you ever talk about is Jenas and he's shit performances, you are never going to change each others opinions so why don't you just agree to disagree ;)

For the record I think Jenas isn't good enough for us and he's set peices are nothing short of abysmal, but we have to accept that for some unknown reason Jol rates him very very highly, and is never going to drop him :mad:

So these endless debates about him are pointless, and just go round in circles it isn't even worth discussing anymore!

Spur
8th May 2007, 05:29 PM
Your right, let's try and figure out what's wrong with little Aaron...?

And am I the only one that likes seeing Rocha at left back?

Thfc4Life
8th May 2007, 05:37 PM
Yeah Lennon seems to have gone off the boil recently, I think the end of the season has come at just the right time for him as it's clear he needs a break, and will hopefully be back to his old self for next season.

I've gotta be honest I really don't rate Rocha at centre back and especially at left back, I cannot understand why we wasted £4.5m on him we could have got someone alot better. He is far from solid at centre back and doesn't win enough headers imo, and at left back his positional sense is awful and he seems reluctant to get forward.

SurreySpur
8th May 2007, 05:38 PM
You lot are boring as **** :p

All you ever talk about is Jenas and he's shit performances, you are never going to change each others opinions so why don't you just agree to disagree ;)

For the record I think Jenas isn't good enough for us and he's set peices are nothing short of abysmal, but we have to accept that for some unknown reason Jol rates him very very highly, and is never going to drop him :mad:

So these endless debates about him are pointless, and just go round in circles it isn't even worth discussing anymore!

Well Put mate, i completely agree.

neilmcnab
8th May 2007, 05:50 PM
last nite daws looked nervous and fell over a few times , nearky scored own goal from a early charlton corner, when they had no player near him and between he and robbo they just kept giving the ball back to charlton, who lets face it came to the game with nothing, we failed to push on even at 1-0 up, none of the midfield wee willing to join the front two, for me the squad has been together for whole season and still cant regularly put 3/4 passes together, which is poor for a prem team, we won which is great, the concerning thing is we dont seem to have learnt alot, the top teams and even midtable teams know the importance of keeping the ball.

Ginola's Son
8th May 2007, 06:41 PM
You lot are boring as ****

Someone who has learnt the art of not tying everyone with the same brush there.

If you don't like it, you know where to go. People can talk about Jenas as much as they like, if he continues to disappoint, yet start matches, then the anger people feel will grow ever more.

Personally, I felt that Jenas played well last night, but he has been woeful in some other games.

Thfc4Life
8th May 2007, 07:45 PM
Someone who has learnt the art of not tying everyone with the same brush there.

If you don't like it, you know where to go. People can talk about Jenas as much as they like, if he continues to disappoint, yet start matches, then the anger people feel will grow ever more.

Personally, I felt that Jenas played well last night, but he has been woeful in some other games.

I like the way you conveniently leave out my smiley in your quote!

I've noticed a few of your posts recently and it seems as though you take everything posted on here disturbingly seriously, lighten up mate for christ's sake ;)

Were you born with no sense of humour, or did you just get bitter and twisted as you got older :rolleyes:

Ginola's Son
8th May 2007, 11:44 PM
'Disturbingly' seriously? Do you fear I may implement physical retribution for your foul smiley-addled rambling?

I laugh when something is funny, but please do not pretend your rant about the anti-Jenas stuff was not serious. I know it was.

Anyway, I'll tell you all something funny, I once fell out of a moving car after my brother thought he'd try and 'test' the child-lock on it.

Spur
9th May 2007, 12:21 AM
Anyway, I'll tell you all something funny, I once fell out of a moving car after my brother thought he'd try and 'test' the child-lock on it.

That is quite funny actually :D

Any long lasting injuries? Then it may not be quite so funny.

jrio
9th May 2007, 01:02 AM
That is quite funny actually :D

Any long lasting injuries? Then it may not be quite so funny.

Hmm, I'd guess just some minor brain damage.:D

Gino Ginelli
9th May 2007, 08:19 AM
I tell you what, everyone's been acting wierdly on here of late, or is it just me? Could it be the heightening tensions as we reach the climax of the season, or is the London smog been especially toxic recently? :p

mjbmedia
9th May 2007, 08:29 AM
You lot are boring as **** :p

All you ever talk about is Jenas and he's shit performances, you are never going to change each others opinions so why don't you just agree to disagree ;)

For the record I think Jenas isn't good enough for us and he's set peices are nothing short of abysmal, but we have to accept that for some unknown reason Jol rates him very very highly, and is never going to drop him :mad:

So these endless debates about him are pointless, and just go round in circles it isn't even worth discussing anymore!
but of course, its ok for you to put your two pence worth in, the rest of us can shut up tho huh???;)

Ginola's Son
9th May 2007, 10:15 AM
That is quite funny actually

Any long lasting injuries? Then it may not be quite so funny.

Yes,I was riddled with ludicrous intelligence, it's been the bane of my life ever since.

Hmm, I'd guess just some minor brain damage

If it wasn't for the smiley, i'd have thought you didn't like me.

but of course, its ok for you to put your two pence worth in, the rest of us can shut up tho huh???

LOL...was the smiley at the end of that message indicative of your jokey nature...or were you having a pop?

Chaydle
9th May 2007, 10:20 AM
Wow, there's some serious paranoia in this forum or more of an ego problem?

Ginola's Son
9th May 2007, 10:56 AM
You can never have an ego problem, especially if you are me.

Ginola's Son
10th May 2007, 11:06 AM
No Blackburn match thread?