JJ the saviour

[peterc]

So to the critics who keep slagging off Jermaine Jenas, go on, start saying that he was crap again today, he only worked his socks off, controlled his patch well and scored a wonderful goal. Suppose that is not enough for Spur and his experts to say that JJ has yet again proven his worth.

[AssaTM]

He didnt control his turf at all, but I dont critisice him too often, he still made mistakes, he still shows flashes of brilliance, but people like Spur want consistency, not flashes of brilliance, but consistent good/great play at the very least, 8million is alot of money for a midfielder that only realises his potential in small short bursts, or a few games across a spell of games

[Shuggie13]

He didnt control his turf at all, but I dont critisice him too often, he still made mistakes, he still shows flashes of brilliance, but people like Spur want consistency, not flashes of brilliance, but consistent good/great play at the very least, 8million is alot of money for a midfielder that only realises his potential in small short bursts, or a few games across a spell of games

Wrong reply Assa, peterc doesn't know how to process logic like this and will tell you that you hate Spurs, are a know-it-all and say that you think you know more than BMJ.

Peter you are right, he was the saviour today. Our point has always been he should be more consistent. It's a shame he didn't produce these moments of good play in a couple of quarter finals or semis this season.

I'll quote you again from my thread 'review of the season'.

Jenas: Like a misunderstood teenage son I spent countless posts defending him back in August/September. I'm now disowning him. I want him out the house now! He is a liability the rare moments of 'great potential' are heavily outweighed by all the bad points. I'm not at the matches but from what I've seen on every game I've watched live he just seems to drift in and out

No doubt you will say this has not been the case and he has lived up to his 8 mil price tag and been a consistent performer all season.

Stalteri was the the saviour against West Ham, not sure how many Spurs fans will have him as Player of the Season.

[denis-cro]

He scored brilliant goal, and has saved us from defeat, but to be honest, he is player from which I expect a lot more....

[peterc]

Wrong reply Assa, peterc doesn't know how to process logic like this and will tell you that you hate Spurs, are a know-it-all and say that you think you know more than BMJ.
No. I will not say that as I accept other opinions more than you or Spur can.

Peter you are right, he was the saviour today. Our point has always been he should be more consistent. It's a shame he didn't produce these moments of good play in a couple of quarter finals or semis this season.
He has shown that he is capable and as regards to consistency, surely, that is the main disease we had had at the Lane for a long time, so I don't think it would be fair to blame him only on inconsistency.I'll quote you again from my thread 'review of the season'.



No doubt you will say this has not been the case and he has lived up to his 8 mil price tag and been a consistent performer all season.

Stalteri was the the saviour against West Ham, not sure how many Spurs fans will have him as Player of the Season.

If I remember correctly quite a few of you did mention that JJ only performs well against lower teams, I don't consider the scum to be one of them, do you ?.

[Shuggie13]

If I remember correctly quite a few of you did mention that JJ only performs well against lower teams, I don't consider the scum to be one of them, do you ?.

I never stated that about JJ. Nicely dodged though on my original question.

[peterc]

I never stated that about JJ. Nicely dodged though on my original question.

If you read the thread properly I stated quite a few of you, as far I kno, that does not necessarily mean you. Please correct if I'm wrong.

[peterc]

No doubt you will say this has not been the case and he has lived up to his 8 mil price tag and been a consistent performer all season.
Same as others who cost much more and whom have not given half their worth.

[SurreySpur]

SIGH.....here we go again!!

[Gregzy]

Jenas is never going to deliver on his potential and he doesn't have the range of passing and control to compensate for his often lightweight presence in midfield.

However, he does go some way to compensating for this by popping up with some goals so he is, for today at least, forgiven.

We really do need to look at our midfield over the summer and try to find another Carrick..both Steed and Zokora would be made infintely better players if they had a world class CM playing alongside them..

[Ioang]

He often scores very important goals - however his set pieces are nothing short of a joke. Sell him now.

[berbzy 'G']

Jermain Jenas done the same against Everton in the last minute, snatching the 2 1 win, although he gave the ball away alot, We still need him???

[neilmcnab]

arsenal were toying with jenas and our whole team. today we got lucky, if you can call 2-2 at HOME lucky, i mean we were the home side wernt we ??? yet arsenal controled the game the ball, except 4 last desperate 1min and 20 sec, if that what some supporters call a great team performance, id prefer my team players to can hold the ball and actually pass to some1 in the same coloured shirt and maybe pass more than 1ce, what we got from our expensively talented group of players is to keep passing to our goalkeeper, who lets face it just keeps giving it back to the oponents.... all season, it started in august and we are now in april...same tactics, c o y s...

[Chewy]

The goal was the only good thing he did.

[wayne wonder]

He's still shit regardless of him scoring!!

He's nothing special compared to decent players like barton, parker and nolan and even these aint world beaters

[berbzy 'G']

Jenas shouldn't take free kicks i don't think either, I mean he kicks the ball like he wants to hit someone in the crowds infront of him???

[jrio]

If I remember correctly quite a few of you did mention that JJ only performs well against lower teams, I don't consider the scum to be one of them, do you ?.

I said that and I still believe it. An incredible goal from JJ when we looked like getting nothing and should have been at least 2 goals down, but that doesn't excuse a generally ineffectual performance. Compare Fabregas to Jenas. Fabregas came on just before half-time and from then on largely controlled the play. I'm aware he's an exceptional talent but he makes Jenas look distinctly third-rate. So often Jenas looks like he can do several things fairly well but can also do them fairly badly. He scores a number of goals that Fabregas doesn't(albeit there's 4-5 years in age between them) but who would you rather have in your side?

[joshua_snodgras]

Jenas is ok, people are frustrated with him because he hasnt fulfilled his potential i think. He doesnt deserve alot of the shit he gets. Because of his athleticism he gets in places other players wouldnt, and because he is not the best technically he fluffs probably more chances than he should. However credit where its due he runs his socks off, and scored a good goal today, as well as being voted man of the match by the sky tv panel in the last game against Wigan (as well as winning the penalty there..). I would agree on one bad point about him though, his free kicks are shite and he shouldnt take them.....

[berbzy 'G']

Berbatov to take all Free-Kicks from shooting range from now on. Until JJ has some more practice, Don't you's think???

[Shuggie13]

Berbatov to take all Free-Kicks from shooting range from now on. Until JJ has some more practice, Don't you's think???

How much practice does he need? He takes every single free-kick! :)

I agree, shooting range has to be Berbie or Keano.

[yido4life]

i like him but i think he's under performing,he gave the ball away too much yesterday and didnt do much else apart from score the goal.

[peterc]

However, he does go some way to compensating for this by popping up with some goals so he is, for today at least, forgiven.
He has only scored eight goals for us this season, (mention one other midfielder clsoe to his tally) close ot some of our strikers, can't be bad can it??

[peterc]

i like him but i think he's under performing,he gave the ball away too much yesterday and didnt do much else apart from score the goal.

His corner kick helped produce the first goal, so one assist and one goal and still not good enough, suppose he needs to be in the posts and save some shots too.

[berbzy 'G']

He scored the winner against Everton, The header against Watford, and the equaliser against the gooners (Including an assist), he isn't to bad, But has got to work on his free-kicks???

[peterc]

He scored the winner against Everton, The header against Watford, and the equaliser against the gooners (Including an assist), he isn't to bad, But has got to work on his free-kicks???
I am still waiting for someone to come up with a close figure for our midfielders who has this season scored close to JJ's tally. His free kicks need practice but at least he is also scoring goals that we can't really say about our other midfielders.

[hodgy]

perhaps the reason why we give the ball away so much is because the other players need to work harder off the ball. basic fact of football. work hard off the ball. create space away from your marker. pass and move. don't stand and admire the pass just made. the game is easy just made difficult by players not doing the basics.

[shakey18]

I think that most of of us who are critical of Jenas don't WANT to be.He's not being hammered for the sake of it.After his goal yesterday, BMJ said that he does that all the time in training.In training?.For ****s sake we want to see it in a competitive game!.He has SUCH potential, but fails to deliver too often.He has a great engine but has been a lazy ****er too often.His set-pieces are awful and need alot of work.Just when you think he's a 100%, 24 carrat ****, he saves us from defeat against the evil woolwich shit.The man is a walking contradiction, so bad he deserves to be shot one minute, then the hero of the hour the next.I would LOVE to be proved wrong next season, and for JJ to put in consistant 60 minute plus performances, full of effort and forward bursts, and more than 8 goals at this stage of the season.To move on we need more goals from midfield, and JJ has the ability to do it, but a lack of effort lets him down.If there's one thing fans hate most it's lack of effort, or a perceived lack of effort.

[RuFuS]

Jenas shouldn't take free kicks i don't think either, I mean he kicks the ball like he wants to hit someone in the crowds infront of him???

That's why we're all hiding behind the seats in front in the Paxton. It's as if ginola has returned.

[Spur]

I still can't believe after a performance like that there are people (is a person) still willing to defend his selection.

For one, you mention his 8 goals, but is it not his job to score goals? Lampard is on 21 so far this season, let's look at Cahill who has missed more than half the season and has still scored 7. Yea 8 is great isn't it...

Pete, you say Jenas worked his socks off and 'looked after his patch', to which I can only say you must have been watching a different game.

I tell you what, yesterday some were close to boo-ing him. There were small cheers from people when he actually done something right and when he didn't - at least where I was sitting - everyone stood up and ****ed him off for being shit. And whenever a sub was made the whole stand stood up and shouted 'Jenas', that tells you something.

Yesterday he was an embarrassment to the shirt, so were others, but none more so than Jenas. Lennon for one had yet another shocker.

I accept your opinion, I don't see why and it makes absolute no sense, but I do accept it, your the one who clearly doesn't accept mine and others because you make posts attacking them directly.

I don't feel I need to mention his great free-kicks and wonderful corners, along with the but gusting runs forward and dribbling masterclass. Also his tackling is simply marvellous. If only one bit of that last sentence were true I'd attack him so much less, but it's all rubbish isn't it?

[peterc]

I still can't believe after a performance like that there are people (is a person) still willing to defend his selection.

For one, you mention his 8 goals, but is it not his job to score goals? Lampard is on 21 so far this season, let's look at Cahill who has missed more than half the season and has still scored 7. Yea 8 is great isn't it...
So, you are saying that midfielders should not score goals, eh, what are you talking about???Mention one other Spurs midfielder whos has score close or more than JJ, answer none, so sorry don't agree.
Pete, you say Jenas worked his socks off and 'looked after his patch', to which I can only say you must have been watching a different game.
Yes, I think that he did work his socks off, does most of the dirty work that some seem to turn a blind eye.
I tell you what, yesterday some were close to boo-ing him. There were small cheers from people when he actually done something right and when he didn't - at least where I was sitting - everyone stood up and ****ed him off for being shit. And whenever a sub was made the whole stand stood up and shouted 'Jenas', that tells you something.
Everyone is entltled to their own opinion, however I still think that JJ had a much better game than Tanio or Zokora.
Yesterday he was an embarrassment to the shirt, so were others, but none more so than Jenas. Lennon for one had yet another shocker.
Jenas assisted the first goal, his corner kick and scored a blikder, what else can he do to, especially when Zokora and Tainio did not have a good game.
I accept your opinion, I don't see why and it makes absolute no sense, but I do accept it, your the one who clearly doesn't accept mine and others because you make posts attacking them directly.
Well if my opinions don't make sense, it's surprising how you bother to answer them.
I don't feel I need to mention his great free-kicks and wonderful corners, along with the but gusting runs forward and dribbling masterclass. Also his tackling is simply marvellous. If only one bit of that last sentence were true I'd attack him so much less, but it's all rubbish isn't it?
He does need to practise on his free kicks, corners, do I remember his corner kick that created Keano's goal or was I watcging a different game??

[Spur]

Again, i'm sure just like with Defoe's ankle the other week, that he was aiming for Robbie Keane's boot from 30 yards away...somehow I think not.

Alright, if you want to say he had a good game, that he was better than Zokora and Teemu there's no point in talking about it is there. I'm going over there to side with the other 36,000 yids saying they want rid of a player who has got what it takes, but apparently doesn't deliver when he pulls his shirt on.

I think it was the worst thing for Jol to say JJ does that all the time in training, as it just makes his performances look even worse as he doesn't do anything.

I can't mention another Spurs midfielder who has scored the amount of goals he has because there are none, simple fact is it's incredibly naive to suggest a player should play ahead of others who give more to the team (I include even Danny Murphy in that) because he scores a goal every 7 or 8 matches, whilst there are midfielders in the Premier League who score and have a better ratio than most strikers. You want second best for Spurs I don't. I have high expectations to go with high hopes.

I don't really know what else to say. I silenced two people yesterday without saying a word because they knew what I was thinking. Both of those people also went to the match and saw just how absolutely shocking he played. Maybe it came across good on the TV or the highlights, he's a shocking player who gives nothing to the team.

Practically every time he got the ball he gave it away, putting his own team under-pressure yet again. I'm not saying he's the only guilty of that, but he's the main culprit and does it every game.

I said it over on the other thread, the fact he scored a goal will mask and disguise the fact that yesterday was his worst performance in a Spurs shirt. And that came after last weeks good game as well. People say it all the time, a goal will sort him out, a good performace will sort him out. Well it doesn't seem it does it.

[peterc]

Again, i'm sure just like with Defoe's ankle the other week, that he was aiming for Robbie Keane's boot from 30 yards away...somehow I think not.

Alright, if you want to say he had a good game, that he was better than Zokora and Teemu there's no point in talking about it is there. I'm going over there to side with the other 36,000 yids saying they want rid of a player who has got what it takes, but apparently doesn't deliver when he pulls his shirt on.

I think it was the worst thing for Jol to say JJ does that all the time in training, as it just makes his performances look even worse as he doesn't do anything.

I can't mention another Spurs midfielder who has scored the amount of goals he has because there are none, simple fact is it's incredibly naive to suggest a player should play ahead of others who give more to the team (I include even Danny Murphy in that) because he scores a goal every 7 or 8 matches, whilst there are midfielders in the Premier League who score and have a better ratio than most strikers. You want second best for Spurs I don't. I have high expectations to go with high hopes.

I don't really know what else to say. I silenced two people yesterday without saying a word because they knew what I was thinking. Both of those people also went to the match and saw just how absolutely shocking he played. Maybe it came across good on the TV or the highlights, he's a shocking player who gives nothing to the team.

Practically every time he got the ball he gave it away, putting his own team under-pressure yet again. I'm not saying he's the only guilty of that, but he's the main culprit and does it every game.

I said it over on the other thread, the fact he scored a goal will mask and disguise the fact that yesterday was his worst performance in a Spurs shirt. And that came after last weeks good game as well. People say it all the time, a goal will sort him out, a good performace will sort him out. Well it doesn't seem it does it.

Your opinions but not mine.

[mjbmedia]

. I'm going over there to side with the other 36,000 yids saying they want rid of a player who has got what it takes, but apparently doesn't deliver when he pulls his shirt on.

O yes we all saw them supporting JJ when he scored ,they was hugging with him , risking getting nicked to celebrate with him ,didnt look like they didnt want him in the team to me, infact didnt see 36000 yids dissing him at all at any time, maybe a handful near you , perhaps easily led :confused:

I don't really know what else to say. I silenced two people yesterday without saying a word because they knew what I was thinking.

WHO ARE YA? WHO ARE YA? a ****ing mafia boss or something, :p
iknow we aint supposed to do personal insults on here but you are such a ****ing **** its unbelievable You silenced two people yesterday without saying a word, wow tough guy, were they scared of big boy Spur then with his mean anti JJ look , wooooo . probably thought why does a **** like him bother coming to games if he only gonna moan :rolleyes:
tell you what dont bother going anymore if its thats crap , even better **** off and 'support' another team
:cool:

[Spur]

Cheers mjb, you might wanna tell some of the others that were saying it's the worst thing they've seen at the Lane. From me you don't get no rose tinted views, apparently you like wearing those glasses though don't you?

No i'm not no mafioso, actually I silenced them both because they knew that I was right, and with so many people both on here and in the real world, both Spurs fans and non-Spurs fans agreeing with me i'll just ignore the fact that i'm a ****ing **** and carry on supporting my team, which is Spurs.

Why is it that its ok when you criticise something, anything about this club or this team or this manager but when I do i'm not supporting it / them? I don't get it. Does saying you support a team mean you have to agree with everything the club or the manager or the team does? I think that's the most naive and just plain wrong thing anyone can say.

What else can I say? I'll leave it upto others who can actually think for themselves and formulate their own opinions and put them down in writing on this board to have a civilised debate with, apparently you can't do it, you always have to go down to the personal insults because you just can't win an argument without them.

But then what do I know, everyone on here disagrees with everything I say and agree 100% with you don't they? Plus i'm just a ****ing ****. That about sums it up I think.

[berbzy 'G']

Lolololololololololololololol!!!!!!!

[berbzy 'G']

Ain't taking sides or anything thoe 'Spur', But you do complain all the time, You proberbly ave a right too after the way we played on Saturday, But I see 'mjbmedia's' point???

[shakey18]

mate, there are fans and there are ****s, i leave you to decide which is which, but it isnt difficult to determine. Maybe if all the ****s stopped going to WHL then all the fans could get in and theyd be a better atmosphere and nobody whinging every time something that is attempted doesnt come off, instead people supporting the fact the attempt was made.
If JJ had listened to the pricks on here in the last few weeks he'd never have tried that shot but passed responsibility for it to someone else and we'd have lost, nice to see the fans celebrating with him , i guess the pricks were saying how lucky JJ was and that he must have mishit it. even MJ says the goal wasnt JJS fault cos guess what, Adebayors a few inches taller than JJ.

Prehaps mjb is simply ****ed off because he can't get into WHL.Spur is obviously there, and paying his money to see whatever happens.JJ has been shit for 80% of the season, and if that is good enough for MJB, then he has the problem.FOR ****S SAKE-JENAS NEEDS TO PUT SOME EFFORT IN!!!!!!!!!.

[peterc]

Prehaps mjb is simply ****ed off because he can't get into WHL.Spur is obviously there, and paying his money to see whatever happens.JJ has been shit for 80% of the season, and if that is good enough for MJB, then he has the problem.FOR ****S SAKE-JENAS NEEDS TO PUT SOME EFFORT IN!!!!!!!!!.

A team is made up of eleven players on the pitch, so what about the remaining ten??, are they all performing to their best, I don't think so, but it seems that most of you just tend to pick on JJ, typical of some so called Spurs supporters.

[shakey18]

A team is made up of eleven players on the pitch, so what about the remaining ten??, are they all performing to their best, I don't think so, but it seems that most of you just tend to pick on JJ, typical of some so called Spurs supporters.

Oh for ****s sake!!.I haven't said they are all at their best, but at least some make the ****in effort.We can look at individual games and say certain players have had a mare, but there are players who at least make an effort.JJ's effort is the thing that gets criticised the most.Tainio is an example.Technically he is not as good, but at least TT tries his ****in heart out.JJ can be busting from box to box in the 10th minute, and not giving a rats ****in ass in the 20th.You need to stop taking the JJ flack so personally.No-one is saying that JJ is to blame for ALL Spurs' ills, but he could at least TRY to make a difference.You need to take off those shit-house tinted glasses you are wearing.

[peterc]

Oh for ****s sake!!.I haven't said they are all at their best, but at least some make the ****in effort.We can look at individual games and say certain players have had a mare, but there are players who at least make an effort.JJ's effort is the thing that gets criticised the most.Tainio is an example.Technically he is not as good, but at least TT tries his ****in heart out.JJ can be busting from box to box in the 10th minute, and not giving a rats ****in ass in the 20th.You need to stop taking the JJ flack so personally.No-one is saying that JJ is to blame for ALL Spurs' ills, but he could at least TRY to make a difference.You need to take off those shit-house tinted glasses you are wearing.

I am not wearing, as you described shit-house tinted glasses, I am seeing reality. TT does try hard but he tends to **** up passes and tackles, but no-one tends to slag him off, I am not taking anything personal but I feel that quite a few fans tend to slagg off JJ just for the sake of it. JJ does quite alot of dirty work that goes un-noticed, he has lost possession but also has won us back possession, and this has happened on quite a few ocassions, he has also scored eight goals, fair enough we would have liked him to score more, he was injured for a while, saying that he is our top scorer from midfield, so cannot be that bad, there is always place for improvement and I'm sure he will continue to improve.

[shakey18]

I am not wearing, as you described shit-house tinted glasses, I am seeing reality. TT does try hard but he tends to **** up passes and tackles, but no-one tends to slag him off, I am not taking anything personal but I feel that quite a few fans tend to slagg off JJ just for the sake of it. JJ does quite alot of dirty work that goes un-noticed, he has lost possession but also has won us back possession, and this has happened on quite a few ocassions, he has also scored eight goals, fair enough we would have liked him to score more, he was injured for a while, saying that he is our top scorer from midfield, so cannot be that bad, there is always place for improvement and I'm sure he will continue to improve.

Believe me my friend, if JJ proved most of us wrong we'd be happy.I WANT him to show me i'm talking shite.I just think he could do so much more.JJ needs to show that he cares so much more.At the moment he's had 2 good halfs in 2 weeks and thats it.He's supposed to be our main attacking MF.If his effort reached what it should, we'd all be happy.My advise to you is not to take the anti JJ feeling too personally, and to look at the next game as a critique of what JJ does wrong.Try it and then post your thoughts on here.The reason TT doesn't get slagged as much is because we can all see he is at least trying his ass off.Effort really helps.

[peterc]

Believe me my friend, if JJ proved most of us wrong we'd be happy.I WANT him to show me i'm talking shite.I just think he could do so much more.JJ needs to show that he cares so much more.At the moment he's had 2 good halfs in 2 weeks and thats it.He's supposed to be our main attacking MF.If his effort reached what it should, we'd all be happy.My advise to you is not to take the anti JJ feeling too personally, and to look at the next game as a critique of what JJ does wrong.Try it and then post your thoughts on here.The reason TT doesn't get slagged as much is because we can all see he is at least trying his ass off.Effort really helps.

By watching a player as a critique sounds negative, I don't find myself being a negative person, however, I think that I am quite fair and I judge on what I see.

[shakey18]

By watching a player as a critique sounds negative, I don't find myself being a negative person, however, I think that I am quite fair and I judge on what I see.

A critique, means weighing up both the pros and cons, and coming to a conclusion based on both.I think you need to realise JJ's shortcomings, as well as his perceived strengths.

[Spur]

Jol was justified in leaving him on the pitch yesterday because he scored, but as I said to a mate, had he not been playing we wouldn't have been so weak and given possesion away so much, now I just want to make sure everyone understands that i'm not blaming Jermaine Jenas for every time we lose the ball, just the times that he loses it ok? Which were many.

I actually think that Zokora was having a pop at JJ with what he said yesterday, about it was Jenas' job to go forward and attack because Zokora attacks ten times as much as JJ.

[peterc]

A critique, means weighing up both the pros and cons, and coming to a conclusion based on both.I think you need to realise JJ's shortcomings, as well as his perceived strengths.

I am not saying that JJ is perfect in all departments. far from it, he needs to continue developing and improving as a player, but saying that, suppose that would apply to all players.

[shakey18]

I am not saying that JJ is perfect in all departments. far from it, he needs to continue developing and improving as a player, but saying that, suppose that would apply to all players.

Exactly.In the last 2 weeks you have come across as a total Jenas fan, and any criticism of him has been met with a barrel-full of abuse from you.He DOES need to improve, as do the rest of OUR team, but he can't be exempt from stick.We all want the same thing in the end-victory for TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC.

[peterc]

Exactly.In the last 2 weeks you have come across as a total Jenas fan, and any criticism of him has been met with a barrel-full of abuse from you.He DOES need to improve, as do the rest of OUR team, but he can't be exempt from stick.We all want the same thing in the end-victory for TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC.

I support the team and not individual players, JJ is not a world class player, so said for most of the squad, with exceptions for Berba, King (fully fit), Robinson( top form) and upcoming Dawson, the rest are mediocre. Room for improvement is a fact and I'm sure that MJ is the right person to continue developing us and progressing us forward slowly but steadily, bearing in mind that we do not have an Abromovich to pump in millions, some fans here seem to expect miracles overnight.

[shakey18]

I support the team and not individual players, JJ is not a world class player, so said for most of the squad, with exceptions for Berba, King (fully fit), Robinson( top form) and upcoming Dawson, the rest are mediocre. Room for improvement is a fact and I'm sure that MJ is the right person to continue developing us and progressing us forward slowly but steadily, bearing in mind that we do not have an Abromovich to pump in millions, some fans here seem to expect miracles overnight.

Wouldn't agree that the rest are mediocre.Chimbo had a dodgy game at the weekend, but is an asset, along with Lennon, Zakora, and Keane.We need Petrov as a left midfielder-he'd make a REAL difference.;I think we also need a quality C/Mid, and decent back -up at C/Def.

[peterc]

Wouldn't agree that the rest are mediocre.Chimbo had a dodgy game at the weekend, but is an asset, along with Lennon, Zakora, and Keane.We need Petrov as a left midfielder-he'd make a REAL difference.;I think we also need a quality C/Mid, and decent back -up at C/Def.

Chimbo is an asset to the team but I would not consider him a world class player, same would apply to Keano, Lennon and Zokora. I'm sure that MJ knows where we need to improve and I am not a person who speculates by mentioning this player and that player.We all want Spurs to do well, but we also need to be more realistic.

[shakey18]

Chimbo is an asset to the team but I would not consider him a world class player, same would apply to Keano, Lennon and Zokora. I'm sure that MJ knows where we need to improve and I am not a person who speculates by mentioning this player and that player.We all want Spurs to do well, but we also need to be more realistic.

I didn't say they were world class-merely assets.Let's agree to disagree.....

[peterc]

I didn't say they were world class-merely assets.Let's agree to disagree.....

Fair comment.:cool:

[spursmadnick06]

To be fair Jenas does come in for alot of unfair stick. He scored and set up one on saturday and he's still the one getting the flack.

Would you rather have a midfield of players who look like theyr'e busting a gut, and yet have no talent?

Jenas may look casual but you can't ignore his contribution to the team as he's usually somewhere involved in all our goals.

Why did nobody knock Steed for his awful and lazy mistake against Seville? had that been JJ people would be going crazy at him.

[jrio]

JJ didn't set up the first goal. He took the corner that Dawson headed on for Keane to score - that's an assist from Dawson. You might as well mention all the potential goals he's failed to set up from deadballs.

No one wants him to bust a gut - it's recognised he's probably the fittest player and covers a lot of ground. The main criticisms are how easily he drifts out of the game and adopts a kind of mininalist policy and too easily concedes possession. Too often he seems to operate on about 60% of his potential. It's easy to see from the goals he scores and the runs like the penalty winner against Wigan he makes just what a major influence he could be.

[Gino Ginelli]

Like my Geordie work mates keep telling me: " Blame Souness for ruining him!" Mind you, they blame Souness for most things up here these days...

[peterc]

JJ didn't set up the first goal. He took the corner that Dawson headed on for Keane to score - that's an assist from Dawson. You might as well mention all the potential goals he's failed to set up from deadballs.
Why do you see the negative side and not the positive one?, the corner kick was taken by JJ, then Dawson headed it and Keane scored, the actual set piece started from whom?, was it the ball boy?.

No one wants him to bust a gut - it's recognised he's probably the fittest player and covers a lot of ground. The main criticisms are how easily he drifts out of the game and adopts a kind of mininalist policy and too easily concedes possession. Too often he seems to operate on about 60% of his potential. It's easy to see from the goals he scores and the runs like the penalty winner against Wigan he makes just what a major influence he could be.

JJ is just as consistant as the remainding players on the pitch, we have had this inconsitancy disease for many years and unfortunately it seems to have stuck there. JJ is at times inconsistant, same goes to the remainder of the team, least being Berba.

[jrio]

I suspected with the goal on Saturday it was going to be one of the best league totals for a midfielder and it's also the best average for Spurs outside of Berb.

JJ 6 in 22
Cahill 5 in 18
Barton 6 in 32(1 pen)
Gerrard 7 in 35(1 pen)
Lampard 11 in 33(3 pens)
Ronaldo 16 in 31(1 pen)

Both JJ and Cahill average more than 1 goal in 4 games for this season.

I have doubts over whether the Zokora/JJ partnership is ever going to succeed, and I notice Barton is making comment again about City's poor season and transfers. Anyone considered whether a JJ/Barton partnership would be successful? Barton has the aggression, hunger and passion, whilst JJ has the calmness, athleticism and mobility. Both can score goals and win the ball.

[jrio]

Why do you see the negative side and not the positive one?, the corner kick was taken by JJ, then Dawson headed it and Keane scored, the actual set piece started from whom?, was it the ball boy?.

JJ is just as consistant as the remainding players on the pitch, we have had this inconsitancy disease for many years and unfortunately it seems to have stuck there. JJ is at times inconsistant, same goes to the remainder of the team, least being Berba.


Why do you type in bold? It doesn't give you view any more authority and is quite juvenile. Your sarcasm is poorly constructed since you'd stated JJ took the kick at the start of the sentence.

You might notice I was criticising the poster's view which does necessitate not raving about all the positives in JJ. If you analyse how many of JJ's deadballs have led to goals in the past several games he's taken them you'd see it's very poor, especially the direct shots on goal, some of which are still heading towards the outer reaches of the solar system as we speak.

JJ is consistent, just not consistently above average. For this the best players are King, Dawson, Berb and Chimbo(the latter starting to severely blemish that in the last 2 games).

[olly27]

I suspected with the goal on Saturday it was going to be one of the best league totals for a midfielder and it's also the best average for Spurs outside of Berb.

JJ 6 in 22
Cahill 5 in 18
Barton 6 in 32(1 pen)
Gerrard 7 in 35(1 pen)
Lampard 11 in 33(3 pens)
Ronaldo 16 in 31(1 pen)

Both JJ and Cahill average more than 1 goal in 4 games for this season.

I have doubts over whether the Zokora/JJ partnership is ever going to succeed, and I notice Barton is making comment again about City's poor season and transfers. Anyone considered whether a JJ/Barton partnership would be successful? Barton has the aggression, hunger and passion, whilst JJ has the calmness, athleticism and mobility. Both can score goals and win the ball.

Yeah it has crossed my mind and think Barton would be an excellent buy for what we could get him for...anything up to 7/8 million would be reasonable in my eyes..

[peterc]

Why do you type in bold? It doesn't give you view any more authority and is quite juvenile. Your sarcasm is poorly constructed since you'd stated JJ took the kick at the start of the sentence.
What's it to you whether I type in bold or not, don't see any significance of authority if typed out in bold or not. By stating that JJ took the corner kick is being sarcastic, never knew that, suppose we always learn something new, don't we?.
You might notice I was criticising the poster's view which does necessitate not raving about all the positives in JJ. If you analyse how many of JJ's deadballs have led to goals in the past several games he's taken them you'd see it's very poor, especially the direct shots on goal, some of which are still heading towards the outer reaches of the solar system as we speak.
Suppose it's okay for some of you to constantly criticise and slag off JJ for the sake if it.
JJ is consistent, just not consistently above average. For this the best players are King, Dawson, Berb and Chimbo(the latter starting to severely blemish that in the last 2 games).

If you think that JJ is not consistently above average, seems you forgot to mention that most of the squad falls into that same category.

[wayne wonder]

I see everyone's still talking about JJ!!

End of the day people can have their own opinion and mine is he doesn't do enough and isn't what we need we need passion and fight and drive and unlike nolan and barton for example and he's not got it for me. I've been waiting for the guy to do some great thigs and it's not happened i've lost patience and faith in him

I wish i wsh the lad would prove me wrong as he's the best athlete at the club and can run all day but that means **** all if you dont go looking for the ball and make something happen like barton has or gerrard.

JJ prove us all wrong next season and become spurs player of the year!!

[SurreySpur]

I see everyone's still talking about JJ!!

End of the day people can have their own opinion and mine is he doesn't do enough and isn't what we need we need passion and fight and drive and unlike nolan and barton for example and he's not got it for me. I've been waiting for the guy to do some great thigs and it's not happened i've lost patience and faith in him

I wish i wsh the lad would prove me wrong as he's the best athlete at the club and can run all day but that means **** all if you dont go looking for the ball and make something happen like barton has or gerrard.

JJ prove us all wrong next season and become spurs player of the year!!


Spot on Wayne.

[neilmcnab]

A midfielder apart from scoring goals they are also asked to tackle and pass , now passing is an art, thats why they call the midfield the creative hub of the team, and if you look at most of these players who play in this very crucial position, lampard, gerrard, barton, manuel fernandes, ateta, scoles, they all have similarities, always sharp, looking to put their man in or to receive the ball after a 1-2 and then release a shot a pass, our man JENAS he dont have that in his game, when tianio plays theRE he always looking, but jenas insisTs on playing that role, thats why berbatov looked at him in that interview,i mean compare him to fabregas, its embarassing, wow wee he scored that goal, fabregas has created so much more, he enables others to play...... thats what a midfielders job ultimetly is,

[wayne wonder]

A midfielder apart from scoring goals they are also asked to tackle and pass , now passing is an art, thats why they call the midfield the creative hub of the team, and if you look at most of these players who play in this very crucial position, lampard, gerrard, barton, manuel fernandes, ateta, scoles, they all have similarities, always sharp, looking to put their man in or to receive the ball after a 1-2 and then release a shot a pass, our man JENAS he dont have that in his game, when tianio plays theRE he always looking, but jenas insisTs on playing that role, thats why berbatov looked at him in that interview,i mean compare him to fabregas, its embarassing, wow wee he scored that goal, fabregas has created so much more, he enables others to play...... thats what a midfielders job ultimetly is,

Spot on he's light years away from fabregas and that ****s only 19!!

Jenas reminds me of an athletic David Platt thats about it and he doesn't even score as much as platt did :mad: