Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[SurreySpur]

3-1 Berby and Keano

Lets restore some North London Pride!!!

[olly27]

3-1 Berby and Keano

Lets restore some North London Pride!!!

If thats the result I would be delighted ...still going for a 2-2..given our defensive displays of late..saying that its been a while since the guys will have had 5 days rest before a big game..so we live and hope..:)

[peterc]

3-1 Berby and Keano

Lets restore some North London Pride!!!

Agree on the score, not too sure on the scorers.

[highlander]

this is a massive game for us, absolutely huge if we are to maintain our campaign for European football next season. too close to call so i think im going to have to for a draw

[gazzaG8]

2-0 to the mighty Spurs Berbs to get both MJ to knockout that french peado

[Billywhizz]

this is a massive game for us, absolutely huge if we are to maintain our campaign for European football next season. too close to call so i think im going to have to for a draw


Yep.... I'd go along with that, but i've gotta feeling we may edge this one.

[mjbmedia]

2-1 spurs with Kolo Toure and Swedehead Ljundberg clashing heads and swallowing their or each others tongues and Wenger claiming he didnt see it but still blaming it on the referee
o happy days

[wayne wonder]

2-1 spurs with Kolo Toure and Swedehead Ljundberg clashing heads and swallowing their or each others tongues and Wenger claiming he didnt see it but still blaming it on the referee
o happy days

Haahaha thats cracked me imagine if that happened now:rolleyes:

[hastingsyid]

we need to beat the filth ****s and believe we will 3-1

[jrio]

I have a feeling Jol may use Tainio to close down Fabrages and use Lennon more centrally. If we win it will only be by an odd goal. Something of a big 'if' since Wenger's never lost to us. As our only clean sheet in the last 21 games was at home to Reading the chances of keeping a clean sheet against Arsenal must be very slim to anorexic.

[Gino Ginelli]

The mere thought of this game is making me feel sick. I daren't comment on the scoreline. I have such a bad feeling, especially after Fabregas' display last night.

...uurrrgghhh...

[mjbmedia]

i say this every time we play the gay bastards but we need to go in hard and just about fair in the first 20 minutes, leave them on writhing the ground, play on and ignore the feigned injuries,the crowd giving as much abuse (i guess legally :( ) as possible, everything to get them as riled up as possible, its a NORTH LONDON DERBY.
remmeber when they included bone breaking late challenges , snarl, spit, pure hatred on the pitch rather than mutual gay respect, lets show them what an English style derby is really about rather than pandering to their Afro/French nonceness

[jrio]

remmeber when they included bone breaking late challenges , snarl, spit, pure hatred on the pitch rather than mutual gay respect, lets show them what an English style derby is really about rather than pandering to their Afro/French nonceness
No, I don't remember that because it's hardly ever happened. Are you sure you're supporting the right club? Curiously, our derbies with Arse have always lacked that kind of an encounter. Lehmann seems very much an anomaly in that respect. We can't match Arsenal for sheer footballing prowess but it would be a big mistake to start engaging in those kind of tactics. Usually sides succeed against them by letting them over-pass the ball and denying space in midfield and behind the back four.

[wayne wonder]

i say this every time we play the gay bastards but we need to go in hard and just about fair in the first 20 minutes, leave them on writhing the ground, play on and ignore the feigned injuries,the crowd giving as much abuse (i guess legally :( ) as possible, everything to get them as riled up as possible, its a NORTH LONDON DERBY.
remmeber when they included bone breaking late challenges , snarl, spit, pure hatred on the pitch rather than mutual gay respect, lets show them what an English style derby is really about rather than pandering to their Afro/French nonceness

I think you need to calm down with your sentences mate!

[GOONHATER]

WE WILL WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats all im going to say.

[Milney yid]

The best chance we will have to beat them for a long time? Maybe. From what I've seen of them this season they look a shadow of their former selves and not always up for physical games. In my opinion we should play Zokora and Tainio in the middle and get Tainio man marking Fabregas. He looks one of their only threatening players at the moment to be honest, and I think if we can get him out of the game we have a great chance of winning.

[RuFuS]

To be honest i think it comes down to US.
It comes down 2 the 33k spurs fans @WHL not putting up with a crap performance,a crap game and a crap result. All of which are one and the same.

Make it so intimidating for the spurs players not to settle for second best because were not going to settle for second best anymore.
Some of the players are playing for their spurs future's and some admitadly will want to put themselves in the shop window either way i dont care.

IT'S
ABOUT
F**KIN'
TIME

[jrio]

****ing hell, second best would be a real treat! For about 15 years we've been barely third rate!!!!

[mjbmedia]

No, I don't remember that because it's hardly ever happened. Are you sure you're supporting the right club? Curiously, our derbies with Arse have always lacked that kind of an encounter. Lehmann seems very much an anomaly in that respect. We can't match Arsenal for sheer footballing prowess but it would be a big mistake to start engaging in those kind of tactics. Usually sides succeed against them by letting them over-pass the ball and denying space in midfield and behind the back four.
maybe youre younger than me then???? 1970s 1980s proper men played and the whistle dint go anywhere near as much as it does nowadays . i mention bone crunching tackles and you mention Lehman :confused: and therein lies the difference, did Jennings or Clemence ever collapse like Jens does? Graham Roberts never took any prisoners in this game, and Perry Groves never took him on funnily enough:D

fact is Arsenal dont like a scrap hence them always moaning about the likes of Blackburn , Bolton etc, Bolton tried to play against them and lost but when they dont try to play they cause the scum problems. Also you go in hard they dont like it,get riled and start to lose the plot, see CArling cup final and many other occasions to prove this point

[mjbmedia]

[/B]

I think you need to calm down with your sentences mate!
o sorry, so we'll all ignore your signature then shall we??? double standards of what :D

[highlander]

whilst i think Tainio & Zokora in the centre is the way to go i do have a slight reservation over Tainio's disciplinary record, coupling that with the 'continental' fouls arsenal tend to win. also there is the fact that we all know the midfield will be (right to left): Tainio, Zokora, Jensa, Lennon which will waist Lennons skill and Tainio's tenacity.

[wayne wonder]

o sorry, so we'll all ignore your signature then shall we??? double standards of what :D

hahaha shut it you slag only playing!!

did you watch the pikeys vs the pikeys mark2 last night?? WHAT a goal by SWP :D

[SurreySpur]

hahaha shut it you slag only playing!!

did you watch the pikeys vs the pikeys mark2 last night?? WHAT a goal by SWP :D

Both his goals were class. Im suprised that they were his first ever premiership goals for the russian pikeys

[jrio]

i mention bone crunching tackles and you mention Lehman :confused: and therein lies the difference, did Jennings or Clemence ever collapse like Jens does?


I was thinking of the snarling and spitting when I mentioned Lehmann. He usually sports the demeanour of a bear with a sore head, which is in line with the attitude you were calling for.

[SurreySpur]

MJB is talking about proper old school NLD's. Blood and thunder derbies where every player gives 120% because its against the scum, regardless of league position it should all be about pride. North London Pride!!

Lehmann is a tart, pure and simple.

[wayne wonder]

Both his goals were class. Im suprised that they were his first ever premiership goals for the russian pikeys

Yeah he took them really well showed that he really needs to leave chelshit and become the good player that he can be. Chelshit have totally ruined him

[SurreySpur]

Mixed news i'm affraid guys

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/teamnews190407.html

[wayne wonder]

F*CKING HELL!!!

It doesn't rain it pours!!! I say play Mido and Berba we need to be physical and mido's gonna wanna put himself in the shop window and maybe has something to prove but i doubt BMJ will play them 2 so it's defoe and berbs

Gotta get stuck into that spanish gringo fabregas otherwise they'll pass it round us like ****s
:(

[Spur]

Well at least Ledders plays. Rocha at left back anyone?

I'm hoping that Lennon plays in this one too, rather than standing on the pitch making the opposition full backs look good.

[highlander]

Robbie being out is a big blow, no doubt about that but i think id rather have King in the team than Keane as Keane can be directly replaced with a quality player which i dont think we can do at centre back right now.

Rocha at left back? im not so sure. but i know little of Rocha, perhaps he has played there for Benfica. is he even left footed. can someone clear this up for me please

[jrio]

Yeah, he's played at left-back for Benfica before.

[highlander]

Yeah, he's played at left-back for Benfica before.

kool, in that case it seems he's our best option for left back but i expect Stalteri to be rushed back from his injury to play right back with chimbo put at left back, one of the worst things i think we could do.

[jrio]

I don't think we'll see Chimbo putting in any more right-back appearances soon. If they were still convinced of the efficacy of that he'd have been there on Sunday since Ifil has no experience of playing there.

[highlander]

i think part of him being played at right back against wigan was the fact he knew he was in for some stick. i think he knew he would have a bit of a shacky game at left back and asked to be played at right back as the wigan fans would make it far worse for him thus putting more pressure on him.

on the subject of Ifil being played at left back. i really cant see why jol did that. if we are going to play a rookie in the league at least play a rookie who plays in that position rather than playing a youngster out of position.

[jrio]

Probably because Ifil does have first team experience and acquited himself well when out on loan to Millwall. He's recently signed a new contract and it would be less of a risk then throwing in an equivalent from the reserves. Still, if Jol really thought Chimbo could play at left-back he wouldn't consider there would be any consequences for the player to embarrass himself in front of his previous fans.

[highlander]

i dont think MJ does believe Pascal can play at left back, but that Chimbo is more reliable than stalteri thus less liable to cock up. but as far as i am concerned why jeapordise the team in 2 positions due to injuries in 1 position, we may as well limit it to a shit lb rather than shit lb & rb.

[Spur]

on the subject of Ifil being played at left back. i really cant see why jol did that. if we are going to play a rookie in the league at least play a rookie who plays in that position rather than playing a youngster out of position.

Not having anyone say anything of the sort.

Not only did Ifil have an outstanding game, save for one mistake very early on, but many young players often get their breakthrough in an alien position. Even though it can be easier for a midfielder to adapt my case in point will be Dean Marney, who's 5 or 6 appearances for us a couple of seasons ago were all in different positions!

[Spur]

Some excellent news right here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=449593&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow

[SurreySpur]

Hopefully its Ebola ;)

[highlander]

Not having anyone say anything of the sort.

Not only did Ifil have an outstanding game, save for one mistake very early on, but many young players often get their breakthrough in an alien position. Even though it can be easier for a midfielder to adapt my case in point will be Dean Marney, who's 5 or 6 appearances for us a couple of seasons ago were all in different positions!

now to say he had an outstanding game is extremely flattering especially seeing as though he was at fault for the first goal.

secondly, its all well and good saying he played well now but before the game when making the starting XI decisions why would you go for an inexperienced player out of position over an inexperienced player who plays left back. doesnt make sense to me

[Spur]

now to say he had an outstanding game is extremely flattering especially seeing as though he was at fault for the first goal.

secondly, its all well and good saying he played well now but before the game when making the starting XI decisions why would you go for an inexperienced player out of position over an inexperienced player who plays left back. doesnt make sense to me

He has played left back for the reserves several times this season. He's also played centre midfield for the ressies too.

I did mention he made the mistake, but it showed great character to come back from that mistake and put in a solid performance. He showed composure on the ball trying to get it through to the strikers on more than one occasion and I can't name anything else he did wrong.

An outstanding performance was certainly going to far, I do like to exaggerate :D But he certainly did a much better job than Chimbo had for the previous two games despite his early mistake. It wasn't as if his mistake was from a left back position either, it was just yet another set-piece shocker, you can ask Teemu about those as he seems to be marking, or attempting to mark, anyone who scores from a set-piece.

I mean I will always go for the youngsters if i've run out of senior players who play in a certain position. But Ifil has much more experience than any other player in the reserves, on a par or slightly above that of Lee Barnard, who at 22 should have made more of an impact on the first team squad.

Ifil still has a lot of promise, I hope to see him starting to push Chimbo for the right back slot as soon as Stalteri does one or moves up into a coaching role, as he is meant to be a very smart person and extremely well educated about football.

[mjbmedia]

Hopefully its Ebola ;)
more than likely having taken it UTA from Eboue and Toure so many times this season

[SurreySpur]

Spurs: Robinson, Chimbonda, Rocha, Dawson, King, Tainio, Zokora, Jenas, Lennon, Berbatov, Keane. Subs: Cerny, Defoe, Huddlestone, Ifil, Malbranque.

Arsenal: Lehmann, Eboue, Clichy, Toure, Gallas, Diaby, Rosicky, Gilberto, Hleb, Ljungberg, Adebayour. Subs: Almunia, Fabregas, Senderos, Baptista, Denilson.

****ing great news having Keane fit and starting. 3-1 to the spurs.

[\jackdaw]

Really looking forward to this game as I always do, score? .. 1-1 I'm afraid.

[\jackdaw]

Berby really looks up for it in the opening minutes .. long may it continue ..

[SurreySpur]

Zokora looks sharp

[\jackdaw]

Zokora looks sharp

If only he could sort his shooting out

[SurreySpur]

Tainio is doing all of jenas's work in the middle!! A goal or assist for JJ would do him the world of good.

[\jackdaw]

JJ does seem to be actually trying to play today. He is actually touching the ball for a change.

Hope he does do something he needs a confidence booster.

[SurreySpur]

Keano Keano Keano

[MarlowSpurs]

****ing come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[\jackdaw]

Get in there ya ****ing beauty ...

Let Berby keep on thier keeper and he will soon crumble.

On a side note .. hats off to the groundsman the pitch looks awesome for the amount of games we have played this season.

[Gregzy]

Jesus, we're one up and my hands are still shaking...

[SurreySpur]

****ing hell that was close

[\jackdaw]

Close dosnt count .. 8P

How much better does the defence look so far today, King hasnt been outstanding but just his presence makes all the difference. Rocha hasnt had been tested too much at left back but seems to be holding his own.

JJ not doing much in midfield so would like to see Tom come on at sometime to replace him.

Berby is on fire, almost everything he does is awesome, in defencepassing, ****ing up Lehman or whatever. Keano with his 19th of the season .. what more can I say.

The danger signs are still there with the couple chances the arse have had but if we carry on like this in the second half I will be a happy man.

At least there is passion and commitment in this game unlike at the away match.

[SurreySpur]

Why the **** are we over playing the ball again!!

[\jackdaw]

Because they can?

[derek zoolander]

im unable to be watching the game but sounds to me from the updates on the spurs website that the ****s are coming close

[SurreySpur]

Yeah, you could say that. They've now hit the post and the bar!

[\jackdaw]

They have the slight edge so far in second half and have hit the post. Faglegash has made a difference for them as well.

[original v.L.n.]

its on radio five live zoolander

[SurreySpur]

You get the impression that Berby is going to get a chance soon and he'll take it

[\jackdaw]

Steed on for Tanio due to injury, lets hope he can run at them and make something.

[SurreySpur]

****ing Diving Scum

[SurreySpur]

Thats come from a joke of a free kick. ****ing hell. Bunch of ****s

[Gregzy]

**** shit ****hole bastard bollocks.

Diving bunch of muppets...come on Berby, let's have some magic...

[\jackdaw]

Cheating ****s ..

[derek zoolander]

dodgy decision for the free kick? even so we are shooting ourselves in the foot again. too many times this season we have given away cheap goals to lose the lead

[original v.L.n.]

Cheating ****s ..


can't watch it but that don't suprise me. i don't feel great about this

[SurreySpur]

and once again Jenas is treating us to a wonderful midfield display!! Get the ****er off the pitch.

[original v.L.n.]

and once again Jenas is treating us to a wonderful midfield display!!

yep that don't suprise me either :p

[\jackdaw]

I thought in the first half JJ would do something, he had the ball a couple times but it seems he stayed in the dressing room for the second half.

Get him off .. Cerny could do better in midfield !!

[Braz]

Are you lot thinking the same as me, a 2-1 defeat on the cards

[original v.L.n.]

yep! ****SSSSSSSSSSS

[SurreySpur]

Here we go again, another ****ing dive from that **** Eboue. Ah ****ing hell im pissed off now

[Braz]

Get Jol Out.

[\jackdaw]

Cheating ****s ..

Quoted for emphisis !!

[\jackdaw]

Get Jol Out.

Thats one of the most pathetic stupid things anyone has posted in a match thread ...

[SurreySpur]

And Jenas Is Going To Play 90 ****ing Minutes Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[denis-cro]

With Jol as a manager we will never, ever, EVER beat Arse**l... ****ing shit!!! Same mistakes as in CC semi final... I can´t belive ... ****ING USELESS MANAGER!!!!!

[\jackdaw]

Thats one thing I cant understand SS .. why take of Zakora and not JJ.

OK JJ can at times pull one out of the bag unlike Zakora but the runs Zakora does outclasses anything JJ does.

[denis-cro]

Thats one of the most pathetic stupid things anyone has posted in a match thread ...

C´mon...are you watching the game??? They are ripping us apart!!!!!! As always!!!! ****ing shit!!!!!!

[bocayid]

we may hav played loads of games and been involved longer but that dont cut it wiv me nymore...we are tactically inept ,and apart from daws and the king have no proper defenders apparently...only those who flatter to deceive..in fact that could b spurs new motto...we could finish not only with no finals or trophies..but also outside a uefa spot and looking for intertoto qualification a fact i find a little embarrasing....and the ****ing ticket prices are going up..as well as the member packages...i quite like jol..but am getting a little sick of the strong silent look with arms folded ....50 goals conceded more than ny other team in top half....Berby is only one who looks true class out there....and the scum hit the post ...how many times...lets face it they could av beat us...by at least 4........i know we hav our moments but even so...
we are...Jol is tactically naive.....thats nothing personal against him...but too many times..this happens..in big games..if it didnt we'd be in a final..

Big up to u Spurs fans..we r the club...COYS

[\jackdaw]

They have played better then us in the second half, but both of their goals came from set peices which we failed to defend. We need better players in defence thats a given.

If a player dosnt defend a set peice we will always concede goals.

[MACCSPURS]

Not sure why, but from the opening game of the season I thought "oh dear"

50 odd games later, we have nothing to show for it

[original v.L.n.]

...Jol is tactically naive.....thats nothing personal against him...but too many times..this happens..in big games..if it didnt we'd be in a final..

That's exactly how i feel. Nice bloke. but ****s up too many big games

[Neil_Vaughan]

It was Huddlestone who was supposed to be marking for the second goal...

[SurreySpur]

I Take It All Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Get In Jj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[original v.L.n.]

****ing YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

[MACCSPURS]

We were very, very lucky.

Back foot the whole second half and the way we have been all season, if it was not for the final whistle we probably would have lost 3-2.

[SurreySpur]

We all know what JJ is capable of, we just need to see that more often. He needs to take a lot of confidence from that strike.

Well done JJ, great strike.

[\jackdaw]

As I said earlier .. JJ can pull one out of the bag ....

It may have been about all he done for the match but **** me what a contribution.

[AssaTM]

Thats one thing I cant understand SS .. why take of Zakora and not JJ.

OK JJ can at times pull one out of the bag unlike Zakora but the runs Zakora does outclasses anything JJ does.

Thats why my son! thats why! :D:D

[denis-cro]

We were very, very lucky.

Back foot the whole second half and the way we have been all season, if it was not for the final whistle we probably would have lost 3-2.

Very true....

[bocayid]

fair play to the boy..was good goal...but overall....not good enough.

Jol owes JJ s big drink for that one ...but then JJ would probably spill it..lol

Come on tottenham,dont let us down lets get that Uefa spot....Then MJ has

a couple of months to harness his tactics on Champ Manager...

Bit more belief is needed within the team..we look shaky under pressure... i

feel better when we concede first....seems to gee us up

Oh well....COYS

[peterc]

Lets hear you slag off JJ for saving us, Spur, and his so called experts.

[AssaTM]

We just seem so nervous in big games, the tactics didnt change from the first half yet look at what happened, players bottled it, Jol's subs werent necesarilly the greatest as Huddlestone contributed to nothing at all, but Zokora WAS extremely wasteful, now I dont see how thats Jol's personal fault, what IS Jol's job is to put more belief into the team in big games, and for that he has to believe we can win them so we wont sit back so much, our tactics were near enough spot on, Arsenal were dominating but I cant honestly say they had a HUGE amount of open play chances that made me panick, it was set pieces that cost us, it was the defending that cost us the win, those things have to be addressed, the marking needs to improve, at least put Dawson or King on Adebayor because they will win those headers most of the time, we're a slightly immature side at the moment when we're playing against a top4/top team, but when we reinforce in the Summer and when Jol puts more belief into the players then we'll see more results ;) but for now lets just be happy that point puts us into 7th, with a game in hand, so cmon you Spurs! COYS!!

[jrio]

Nice one JJ, £24 from backing 2-2 at 12-1. Didn't see it coming and he did little in the second half. Not the sort of thing you'd ever see from Zokora but JJ is as enigmatic as ever. Thought Chimbo had a terrible game, very erratic.

[neilmcnab]

wow we couldnt put 3 passes together, were a prem team not championship, how many games have we seen the same thing, no tactics, we cant find a open player, no movement, every1 saw berba during the match and after totally embarrased, we never competed, what on earth do they practice during training sessions????, we can see what arsenal practice during their training sessions, arsenal had 4 or 5 missed placed passes away from home, i gave up counting at 60 odd, in the first half, we must learn somthing n training and matches, c o y s. oh yeah keane was immense, really looked like scoring , never got past his marker 1ce, i totally agree with boca, tactically and tecnically, we aint got a clue, our main forward pass was from our creative keeper robbo, wimbledon anybody?? berba was fed up, to think thats what they practice during training,

[AssaTM]

Berba always gets frustrated if things dont go our way, thats just the passion he brings to the team, I do agree with that passion though, we did do very poorly in the second half, but when has Zokora ever had a knack/a great vision with the ball? he's our defensive midfielder yet he got forward and tried to be more creative than Jenas, who is meant to be our attacking midfielder, it's just imbalances like that, that cost us :p

[shoot_ffs]

as much as i have gripes about the way we play sometimes, and jol's lousy tactics, i thought arsenal were outstanding today. even wehn they didn't play well they were more dangerous than us. in the second half they showed how everyone was comfortable on the ball, hungry to take the game to us, which deserves some credit seeing as they were the away side. in comparison, only berbatov played well for me. we lack conviction and i thought jol playing lenny out of position is a joke. keano was poor and should have been subbed, and zokora should be told he can't shoot. we didn't deserve anything from that game and even if we had won, i'd have still been dissapointed with a fairly inept display. we are quickly becoming the new wimbledon.

[Ginola's Son]

Would people **** off with their Anti-Jol crap. It's very boring, He's a great coach.

Ok, here's my take on the game.

I agree with the common consensus that we were lucky. We were appalling in the second half and were just ASKING Arsenal to make fools of us as per ****ing usual, and as usual, they obliged. They were making monkeys out of us on our own turf for the billionth time and it was sickening! Thankfully, JJ saved a point and gave us fans an opportunity to yell out with pride that NO! We have not gone and lost this time.

I mean, taking it at face value, a point against the scum is good when you consider that they are one of the best passing teams in the country and have an immense amount of talent in their squad. To take a point of them is good going.

But when you look at the way we started the game, we really should have just gone all out attack, get 2, 3 goals, and keep on going, close that damn game out and beat the bastards. Instead we start the second half with this ****ing annoying cautious laid-back style with I would bet money countermands the orders of Jol. We did exactly the same thing in the CC and we did it again here. We honestly thought we could defend a 1-0 for 45 mins against a rampant gooner side? Forget it. Even Berbatov was getting ****ED OFF with the rest of the team, and he was the only one who fancied the audatious step of strengthening our lead. Did you see his post match interview? ****ed off he was, and I don't blame him.

Ok, so Jenas got the winner, we all owe JJ...but...WHY HAS HE GOT TO TAKE AND THEN PROCEED TO **** UP ALL OUR FREE KICKS!! Especially when Berbatov can put them in the back of the neck, why do we have to have Jenas practice his rugby conversions on our time! Lennon another poor game out on the left, Zokora tried to make himself a cult hero by scoring against the scum without realizing that he can't shoot...he still played his heart out tho.

Proud to be a Spurs fan and feel the pride that I do after not being beaten...but we didn't play very well for a large slice of the game.

[Shuggie13]

I got to say I was once again hugely disappointed against a very, very ordinary Scum side (compared to their squad a few years back). We miss the presence Davids had last season, someone to drive the rest of the team. At the moment no one seems to want to take the responsibility and kick everyone else up the arse.

It was another game of 'what if's'. Had Berbie scored in that first minute would the rest of the side suddenly have had a moment of clarity and gone all out? What if that dirty Kraut had been sent-off for trying to elbow Berbie?

Thankfully a lot of results around us today went in our favour.

[Ginola's Son]

Quite a subdued post from you there, it's all a pain in the ARSE isn't it. Another 'Oh we didn't win' post.

[Shuggie13]

I'm always hugely deflated after these games. I didn't even have the energy to go at it with peterc earlier :)

[Ginola's Son]

Peter? Oh you mean JJ's bum chum? Don't worry about him. Bag of hot air. Got some bollocks tho.

[Shuggie13]

Do you think we are going to see anything of Taarbat in the last few games? Lennon looks absolutely ****ed at the moment and it maybe a good time to give the kid a run out.

[Ginola's Son]

Well, I think its too much of a risk when he have 7th to fight for. Lennon's only ****ed cos he's out on the left. Play on the right? Bish, bash, bosh. We're all going on another European Tour.

[Spur]

Well what a shocking, embarrassing display that was. And the worst one for it was JJ. I won't have anyone say a bad word about Jol, but his substitutions have always baffled me at times. Yesterday our two best players on the pitch were Zokora and Tainio. I can live with the Teemu one if he was injured, but the Zokora one...No.

Yesterday I read on the Spurs website Zokora saying he would love to score against the Scum, but that it was upto JJ to go forward and attack. I certainly did not see that for 93 minutes. Jenas was absolutely ****ing terrible. I've seen people give up football for playing that badly, but of course his goal will mask the fact he is ****ing awful won't it?

I've never been so embarrassed to be sitting at the Lane. It was just not on, that performance was total rubbish. To not get spanked 5 or 6-1 we were lucky. They hit the woodwork what? 4 times? 2 goals from set-pieces again...nobody seemed like they wanted the ball and if they did get it they never knew what to ****ing do with it!

It was utter rubbish.

[Gino Ginelli]

Good god! the last three games have read 2-2, 3-3 and now 2-2 again. What next?! 8-8 with a Steed hat-trick of own goals?! Why have we lost the ability to defend? Have we simply run out of steam, setting us up for a limp-wristed crappy ending to the season, seeing us missing out on UEFA? I fear the worst lads, I really do.

[wayne wonder]

We can defend and wehen we go a goal up they're told to defend it??? it makes no sense whatsoever THEN you give fabregas the freedo of the whole lane i reckon the **** had the keys to lock up the ground afterwards he had that much space.

JJ is still pants and i want him gone but he ums jol and he'll be here until jol leaves or some foolish team take him for 7mil.........ooops that was us :rolleyes:

[peterc]

We can defend and wehen we go a goal up they're told to defend it??? it makes no sense whatsoever THEN you give fabregas the freedo of the whole lane i reckon the **** had the keys to lock up the ground afterwards he had that much space.

JJ is still pants and i want him gone but he ums jol and he'll be here until jol leaves or some foolish team take him for 7mil.........ooops that was us :rolleyes:

At least he still scores goals, what about the other midfielders, Zokora cannot shoot, Teemu, has managed a couple, Huddlestone a couple. By the way, he can also assist on goals, have not really seen that from Teemu or Zokora. But it's JJ, so give him stick , just for the sake of it, suppose you are another clever supporter who also wants to change the manager. Why don't you go and support another team?.

[jrio]

At least he still scores goals, what about the other midfielders, Zokora cannot shoot, Teemu, has managed a couple, Huddlestone a couple. By the way, he can also assist on goals, have not really seen that from Teemu or Zokora. But it's JJ, so give him stick , just for the sake of it, suppose you are another clever supporter who also wants to change the manager. Why don't you go and support another team?.

In the main all those qualities you mention come from an attacking midfielder, which is were Jenas primarily plays. Teemu is nominally an attacker but has often played wide in a diamond or stayed deeper around the centre. JJ is a lot more mobile and less prone to injury than Teemu. More is demanded of JJ because he has a lot more all-round ability than those other players but seems to operate on cruise control.

Really, stick to addressing the arguments because your last 2 sentences just reduce the debate to hurling insults. I can just imagine your thoughts on a supporter who did piss off to go and support Chelsea.

[MiloMinderbinder]

[QUOTE=jrio;46396] More is demanded of JJ because he has a lot more all-round ability than those other players but seems to operate on cruise control.
QUOTE]

And therein is the crux of the problem. Talented but wasteful and dare I say lazy, he strolls around like he onws the pitch and does very little to justify. We're going to haer "but he's scored ten goals this season", the point is that is ALL he has done, his contribution to the team as a whole is a negative, constantly loses the ball, his passing is too slow and ponderous and for a guy with a supposed good engine he rarely gets ahead of the play.

Any one that repudiates this clearly doesn't watch him "in the flesh" and should remember this is a player that should be challlenging Gerrard and Lampard for a spot in the England team.

[Gino Ginelli]

remember this is a player that should be challlenging Gerrard and Lampard for a spot in the England team.

Woah woah woah! If he fulfilled his potential he'd be good, but not that good. His constant selection ahead of Parker/Nolan/Barton is continually mystifying, but he is never going to be as good as Gerrard, nor have the work and/or strike rate of Lampard, no matter how fat he gets.

Jenas is a shining example of how poorly supported sport is in this country, such as athletics or tennis etc. JJ should be a middle distance track athlete. His stamina and pace would be perfect for an 800m or 1500m race. Yet in this country you tend to only get the choice of Footy, Rugby or Cricket, so that's where a lad of his build ends up, in Footy. In another country like the US or Spain or somewhere he'd be at the olympics....

Anyway...

[peterc]

In the main all those qualities you mention come from an attacking midfielder, which is were Jenas primarily plays. Teemu is nominally an attacker but has often played wide in a diamond or stayed deeper around the centre. JJ is a lot more mobile and less prone to injury than Teemu. More is demanded of JJ because he has a lot more all-round ability than those other players but seems to operate on cruise control.

Really, stick to addressing the arguments because your last 2 sentences just reduce the debate to hurling insults. I can just imagine your thoughts on a supporter who did piss off to go and support Chelsea.

This happens to be a forum and one is entitled to give their opinion and by telling someone to go and support another team does not hurl insults, so a supporter can insult players and manager and not accept any in return??, Come alive and live in a real world.

[jrio]

This happens to be a forum and one is entitled to give their opinion and by telling someone to go and support another team does not hurl insults, so a supporter can insult players and manager and not accept any in return??, Come alive and live in a real world.
Read the post again, boldface boy. Comments like that, telling forumers to support another club, invite insults from other posters. Try behaving with some maturity instead of like a brat. We don't need more playground posters here. Posters can largely post what they want but comments like yours don't earn any respect and it just means we get bogged down hurling negative comments at each other.

[jrio]

And therein is the crux of the problem. Talented but wasteful and dare I say lazy, he strolls around like he onws the pitch and does very little to justify. We're going to haer "but he's scored ten goals this season", the point is that is ALL he has done, his contribution to the team as a whole is a negative, constantly loses the ball, his passing is too slow and ponderous and for a guy with a supposed good engine he rarely gets ahead of the play.


Slow and pondrerous passing is a good summary. I'd dispute the laziness tag. Often you'll see him sprint a good distance to retrieve a ball he's lost. You don't usually see lazy players do that. Rather, he just seems to glide around moving the ball with 5 yard passes that don't achieve anything.

@Gino - Remember how Lampard was rated 5 years ago? Chelsea's £11m was regareded as grossly overpaying for him. There's about 5 years in age between JJ and Lamps. It does imply that JJ needs an explosion in influence from next season.

[Gino Ginelli]

To be fair I've rated Lampard since he was 18, and always saw him as going to be a big player (although I was on about professional stature not actually big) Not quite sure what you're implying; whether Jenas will never be that good, or that he will be that good with the right development. Personally I think as an all round footballer Jenas has never been as good as Lampard at their comparable stages of their careers.

But that's just me of course.

[peterc]

Read the post again, boldface boy. Comments like that, telling forumers to support another club, invite insults from other posters. Try behaving with some maturity instead of like a brat. We don't need more playground posters here. Posters can largely post what they want but comments like yours don't earn any respect and it just means we get bogged down hurling negative comments at each other.

[B]On your bike, prat face, if you are going to insult. I suggest you practice what you preach. You seem to know quite a lot about nurseries, I wonder why??[/B

[Gino Ginelli]

The bold tags didn't work that time. Must've lost the confident tone in that one and broken into the spotty teenager voice form the Simpsons :p ;)

[peterc]

The bold tags didn't work that time. Must've lost the confident tone in that one and broken into the spotty teenager voice form the Simpsons :p ;)

I'll leave that for Jrio to sort out.:cool:

[Spur]

I suppose peterc's last couple of posts sum him up, and changing of the arguement yet again.

For jrio, Gino and KK, the people who are actually having civilised debate, with the PFA awards last night I feel it's neccessary to point out that just three years ago Jermaine Jenas was actually Young Player of the Year, proving just that he has the potential but apparently not the determination nor commitment to go through with it.

With regard to Jenas being lazy, he ball watches so much it's unreal, but he will try twice as hard to win back a ball he has lost. I just think he hasn't got the brain that's needed on the pitch. Always with the backward and sideward passes, whereas another midfielder - even Zokora - would look forward and knock it up field or run with the ****ing thing.

[peterc]

I suppose peterc's last couple of posts sum him up, and changing of the arguement yet again.
You must live on another planet Spur.
For jrio, Gino and KK, the people who are actually having civilised debate, with the PFA awards last night I feel it's neccessary to point out that just three years ago Jermaine Jenas was actually Young Player of the Year, proving just that he has the potential but apparently not the determination nor commitment to go through with it.
It took that that long to actually admit that Jermaine does have potential. We seem to be getting somewhere now.
With regard to Jenas being lazy, he ball watches so much it's unreal, but he will try twice as hard to win back a ball he has lost. I just think he hasn't got the brain that's needed on the pitch. Always with the backward and sideward passes, whereas another midfielder - even Zokora - would look forward and knock it up field or run with the ****ing thing.

JJ lazy, you are having a laugh, he never stops chasing and running, surely you must be referring to some other player.

[Spur]

JJ lazy, you are having a laugh, he never stops chasing and running, surely you must be referring to some other player.

I never said he was lazy did I? I said he ball watches alot, which he does, and other people have already agreed with me on that, people like Choda, who seemingly stopped posting because of the incessant rubbish people like you post. Don't mean to horrible or nothing, but it's true.

[peterc]

I never said he was lazy did I? I said he ball watches alot, which he does, and other people have already agreed with me on that, people like Choda, who seemingly stopped posting because of the incessant rubbish people like you post. Don't mean to horrible or nothing, but it's true.

"With regard to Jenas being lazy, he ball watches so much it's unreal", So pls explain?, you forgot to add" watches the ball and tackles and wins possession", Posting rubbish, suppose Choda may have meant for people like you who thinks that what they say is always right. If you think I post rubbish, I wonder why you bother to answer it, it's your eager edging you to try and prove that Mr Spur is Mr Know it all. Yet again my opinion.

[mjbmedia]

Iand other people have already agreed with me on that, people like Choda,
o yes Cheddar, the Irish genius of football. hahahaha what was it he said? Davids will be ace this season, yeh he knows whats he talking about:p , thats why he went cos he made himself look a fool and wasnt man enough to stand up for it, and like hes soo sadly missed :rolleyes:

[peterc]

o yes Cheddar, the Irish genius of football. hahahaha what was it he said? Davids will be ace this season, yeh he knows whats he talking about:p , thats why he went cos he made himself look a fool and wasnt man enough to stand up for it, and like hes soo sadly missed :rolleyes:

MJB what goes around comes around and I hope to live the day when Spur will have to swallow his own words.

[mjbmedia]

nahhh Spurs a good bloke, he has his beliefs and i do respect them, tho it might not seem it with my cheeky replies at times, but hes good cos he always takes the arguments with me anyway at face value, doesnt seem to take any offence cos he knows none is meant despite the words i may use .and always sticks to his beliefs which is great.

and i do know where hes coming from re JJ just i think some expect JJ to be nearer the likes of Gerrard and Lampard then he is really capable of on a regular basis.

[peterc]

nahhh Spurs a good bloke, he has his beliefs and i do respect them, tho it might not seem it with my cheeky replies at times, but hes good cos he always takes the arguments with me anyway at face value, doesnt seem to take any offence cos he knows none is meant despite the words i may use .and always sticks to his beliefs which is great.

and i do know where hes coming from re JJ just i think some expect JJ to be nearer the likes of Gerrard and Lampard then he is really capable of on a regular basis.

What gets me is that they just slag off JJ constantly, sometimes without any reason, he does need to improve but saying that, I don't think that he deserves to be criticised as much.

[Spur]

Posting rubbish, suppose Choda may have meant for people like you who thinks that what they say is always right. If you think I post rubbish

As it goes Pete, Choda was once like you with his Jenas beliefs, I believe the thread he started after a long debate about Jenas almost a year ago was called "Spur, I think your right about Jenas". I think it would make good reading even now.

There was a PM I got recently asking about the infestation of a certain type of person on the board, it seems so obvious who that person was talking about now.

[Spur]

MJB what goes around comes around and I hope to live the day when Spur will have to swallow his own words.

Believe me, i'd love to see that day too regarding Jenas. I'd love for him to score a hat-trick in our next match or singlehandedly guide us into 5th spot with games to spare.

However, judging on his last two seasons form I think I am extremely safe in saying nothing of the sort will happen. He will continue to get abused both at games and on forums the world over by Spurs fans for yet more lacklustre and simply embarrassing displays.

I live in hope.

[peterc]

As it goes Pete, Choda was once like you with his Jenas beliefs, I believe the thread he started after a long debate about Jenas almost a year ago was called "Spur, I think your right about Jenas". I think it would make good reading even now.

There was a PM I got recently asking about the infestation of a certain type of person on the board, it seems so obvious who that person was talking about now.

Well, to be quite honest I don't give a hoot who and what the PM said, and as regards to having beliefs in Jenas, I would appreciate if you could forward me his thread.

[peterc]

Believe me, i'd love to see that day too regarding Jenas. I'd love for him to score a hat-trick in our next match or singlehandedly guide us into 5th spot with games to spare.

However, judging on his last two seasons form I think I am extremely safe in saying nothing of the sort will happen. He will continue to get abused both at games and on forums the world over by Spurs fans for yet more lacklustre and simply embarrassing displays.

I live in hope.

I know that JJ needs to improve on his passes and free kicks, but he does work hard on the pitch, he is not the best midfielder in the Premiership, but I do think that he will continue to improve. I don't think he deserves so much grief, that at times is uncalled for.

[jrio]

As it goes Pete, Choda was once like you with his Jenas beliefs, I believe the thread he started after a long debate about Jenas almost a year ago was called "Spur, I think your right about Jenas". I think it would make good reading even now.

It was. Why was Jenas' name in red throughout it? Was it because that was in the title of the thread?

[singapore spur]

I know that JJ needs to improve on his passes and free kicks, but he does work hard on the pitch, he is not the best midfielder in the Premiership, but I do think that he will continue to improve. I don't think he deserves so much grief, that at times is uncalled for.


problem is i think he has gone backwards from where he was 2-3 years ago . many young players after hitting the big time will suffer in the following season , then either come out the other side as a stronger better player , or just as an average/journeyman premiership/championship player and i fear jenas is falling into the second category . yes they can still once in a while turn in a great performance , score a beauty of a goal but never at a consistant level that their initial talent promised or to be seen as a great player .

[Gino Ginelli]

many young players after hitting the big time will suffer in the following season , then either come out the other side as a stronger better player , or just as an average/journeyman premiership/championship player and i fear jenas is falling into the second category.

Remember when Jason Pollock was supposed to be the next big thing?!

[mjbmedia]

Remember when Jason Pollock was supposed to be the next big thing?!
Pollocks huge ....... in Alaska:D

[mjbmedia]

to be honest it seems our whole midfield are going backwards from where they were when they started with us. Lennons lost a lot since Xmas, ok hes young, maybe knackered or not 120% fit but then hes young and shouldnt be so knackered , Mal seems to be getting worse , JJ too , Zokora looks good but what do his runs actually set up?

of course it could be theres a lack of movement in the team as a whole,i believe this is very relevent looking at other teams its pass and move into space, pretty obvious basic stuff which we sometimes seem to forget . We look better when its passed out from the keeper to the defence/midfield tho some of our better goals have been scored in a more direct route.

is it a coaching/training issue?

[Gino Ginelli]

Well I'd have to say I've notice an all round "ah **** it, whats the point we're shit anyway" attitude since the Seville game. We've quite literally had the wind knocked out of us, and we've lost our belief. It is now Jol's job to keep the spirit alive. Let's hope he can.

[mjbmedia]

I know that JJ needs to improve on his passes and free kicks, but he does work hard on the pitch, he is not the best midfielder in the Premiership, but I do think that he will continue to improve. I don't think he deserves so much grief, that at times is uncalled for.
yes agree there,especially the last sentence. see ever since i can remember re spurs, so thats the early 1980s, spurs have always had a 'fall guy' in the 11 that the fans could blame for things. Terry Fenwick, Paul Stewart , Vincenzo Samways, hell even Mr Gross and George Graham and now JJ.
Used to annoy the hell out of me when i went home and away every game for seasons youd get people just ripping into the fall guys even tho theyd done well , Stewart even scored the equaliser in 91 cup final and was still getting pilloried if he lost the ball . maybe some think we're a bigger club than we are?? id rahter have Cahill if proven fit and Arteta than JJ but other than the ones that are already at a top club theres no one else id have to replace him that recently been suggested.Barton would just mess the team spirit up with his thugish beliefs , REO coker cant even look good in that crap west ham team so no chance and Nolan comes close but he doesnt seem too consistent.

[mjbmedia]

Well I'd have to say I've notice an all round "ah **** it, whats the point we're shit anyway" attitude since the Seville game. We've quite literally had the wind knocked out of us, and we've lost our belief. It is now Jol's job to keep the spirit alive. Let's hope he can.
yeh good call, put SPUR in charge of team morale :p

[neilmcnab]

have you ever heard the phrase what you do in training is how you play in thre actually game, its quiet obvious, what stuff we work on in training and what we dont or havent perfected, and by the way we perform it seems like our training sessions are very lacks and disorganised, and undisciplined, to say the least, look at teams like everton and blackburn, very disciplined and controlled performances week in week out, how do you think they train?, i suspect very hard and they have a high work ethic, which breeds confidence, as both teams have small squads, but use all their players, and they all fit into their system, all work hard and all rely on each other, so they have a great team sprit, never give up and always try to win games, we score 1 goal and have a nose bleed.could you see moyes or hughes, watching those performances, from the opening game up til now same lacklustre performances, i think they would of jigged it and adjusted training and team play to make sure that by the time the bussiness end of season arrives the team are peaking to potential, we look good on paper but in real life well we all have watched spurs all season.....we like an old prostitute, we need a face lift and a tummy tuck, and a number of other procedures... c o y s.....