Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Sevilla

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after...

[mjbmedia]

win 3-1 aet

[denis-cro]

can´t wait for sevilla game...3:0 win!!!!!

[Spur]

If I call this game our biggest in a decade would anyone disagree or moan?

[peterc]

My prediction is a high score Tottenham Hotspur 4-1 Servilla
COYS. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[jrio]

If I call this game our biggest in a decade would anyone disagree or moan?

Easily. 2001 FA Semi v Arsenal.

And peterc, expect a nervy 1-0 win with King starting but equally, with the kind of play-acting we've already seen, a 1 all draw.

[Spur]

Easily. 2001 FA Semi v Arsenal.

Now that would be an interesting debate. What do people think?

A domestic cup competition against your closest rivals for a place in the Cup final, or europe against the reigning champs, and should we win the Spurs becoming favourites for the competition?

[jrio]

Now that would be an interesting debate. What do people think?

A domestic cup competition against your closest rivals for a place in the Cup final, or europe against the reigning champs, and should we win the Spurs becoming favourites for the competition?

It's not a debate unless you're 10 years old or similar. Really Spur, when do you think football began? 1992?

I'm even starting to like Jenas.

[Spur]

It's not a debate unless you're 10 years old or similar. Really Spur, when do you think football began? 1992?

I'm even starting to like Jenas.

WTF? You just hate me don't you?

Your telling me people won't favour european competition over a domestic trophy sitting eight times on our mantle? A european trophy we haven't been in for nearly a decade, a trophy we've not had a decent run in for double that.

I'm not saying i'm one of those people, this is something i'm putting out there for others to talk about.

[jrio]

Your telling me people won't favour european competition over a domestic trophy sitting eight times on our mantle? A european trophy we haven't been in for nearly a decade, a trophy we've not had a decent run in for double that.


A trophy that Spurs won twice when the top sides outside of their domestic winners were entered into it. The last time it meant anything was probably 2001 when Liverpool beat Porto, Roma and Barcelona on the way to the final. Who have Spurs beaten? Teams that would have struggled in the Championship. And the first difficult side in the FA Cup i.e top four we lost. 'Nuff said.

[Ginola's Son]

Hmm...I think Euro glory feels so new to us, that we all want it, over the FA Cup and League cup. But...there's nothing like winning the FA cup

[Shuggie13]

If you can not be bothered or excited about Thursday you need your head testing. I can't wait till Thursday, and by using the 'there are no decent teams in the UEFA cup' theory would suggest you wouldn't of given a damn if we made it to the Carling Cup final and won it.

If I had the choice over a FA Cup final win and the UEFA I take the latter any day. A European trophy and the experience it will bring is far more important I feel for our future aspirations.

[Shuggie13]

Hmm...I think Euro glory feels so new to us, that we all want it, over the FA Cup and League cup. But...there's nothing like winning the FA cup

I remember vividly the last UEFA final win and for me it beat the 2 fa cups preceeding it.

[jrio]

If you can not be bothered or excited about Thursday you need your head testing. I can't wait till Thursday, and by using the 'there are no decent teams in the UEFA cup' theory would suggest you wouldn't of given a damn if we made it to the Carling Cup final and won it.

If I had the choice over a FA Cup final win and the UEFA I take the latter any day. A European trophy and the experience it will bring is far more important I feel for our future aspirations.

I'm not sure where you got the idea about not being bothered or excited but now you've stated it, I've made an appointment with a psychiatrist next week just to check whether I'm really still in tune with the modern world. I don't normally correct poster's grammar but it should be noted that to conjugate your verbs correctly it's "wouldn't have given a damn", which I wouldn't except for beating Arsenal and Chelsea. Taking delight in winning the CC is for barely mid-table sides. Beating Chelsea, Blackburn and ManU would be winning a trophy against far more capable sides than you could hope to expect to face in the UEFA Cup. I travelled across Europe with Spurs in the UEFA Cup when it was a real competition. I saw nearly every game in our win of 1984(yeah, cringing in the shelf when it went to penalties). You have to be very young and naive to think the current competition holds a candle to that. Every side that potentially would be in it, and thus the next year's winners of their domestic title, is in the CL. Even in the Cup Winner's we came up against Barca(the dirtiest side, under Menotti, I ever saw). Imagine that now! No, try harder.

I was also at both of the FA Cup wins, and really, if you think the 1984 second leg beats the 1981 replay, there's no hope for you.

[suBerb]

Barca lost last night, so Sevilla will come here as the leader of La Liga who earlier this season smashed Barca 3:0 and beat them with ten men 2:1 several weeks ago. I wouldn't say Sevilla and Werder are worse than Barca or Roma in 2001 competition. Winning this tournament after 20 years of European anonymity would be really great.

[SurreySpur]

I think the lads feel really aggrieved at the decision last week and i can see us putting on a real show. I'm going for 3-0.

[Ginola's Son]

I remember vividly the last UEFA final win and for me it beat the 2 fa cups preceeding it

I was but 3 years old.

I'm NOT excited about the game. I'm PETRIFIED. These games nearly induce my own death!

[Thfc4Life]

Apparently Lee Young Pyo is out for this game now aswell, and possibly the rest of the season :(

Im extremely concerned now because we really are down to the bare bones in defence, there's no way we are going to be able to keep a clean sheet against Seville.

Who is going to play at left back?

[jrio]

Never thought I'd see the day when I'd be very disappointed at Lee missing. What's happened to Staltieri's supposed ability to play at left-back? Chimbo is a big miss from the right and is too right-footed to play on the left. Against Alves and Nevas he will be highly vulnerable. King wil have to start the game or we'll be sunk before we kick-off.

[deadleyledley]

I think that we will win 2-0
Berbatov and Keane

[Milney yid]

Why is everyone arguing about which is the more important cup? Teams like Man U and Liverpool may have the right to take some cups seriously and some not, but we are Spurs, who havn't won anything since 1999. We need to take every cup seriously, and I'd be ecstatic at winning any cup, including the league cup.

[gazzaG8]

I think if we get through on thursday we'll win it

[jrio]

Why is everyone arguing about which is the more important cup?
It's a forum, mate. Pretty much the life-blood of what we do here. The rest is just abusing London clubs. Occasionally there is some reasoned debate but that's not largely encouraged.

[singapore spur]

yeah would be happy with either cup , though winning the uefa cup , despite its obvious pale comparison to the champions league , would be a better advertisment when trying to recruit some european talent in the summer .
but saying that i guess 4th in the league and therefore a champions league spot would be more important than either cup , though to me personally not as satisfying .

oh , and 3-1 spurs

[Spur]

Seems there's an awful lot of 10 year olds on here jrio.

[Shuggie13]

It's a forum, mate. Pretty much the life-blood of what we do here. The rest is just abusing London clubs. Occasionally there is some reasoned debate but that's not largely encouraged.

Indeed, when you started to piously correct my grammar that was the end of my participation in a reasoned debate.

[Chewy]

Just read that Stalteri is a doubt. That would mean we have 3 fit defenders - King, Dawson and Chimbonda. We will either have to play somebody out of position or a rookie defender.

I would go with -

Robbo
Chimbonda King Dawson Zokora
Lennon Jenas Tainio Malbranque
Berbatov Keane

I know it is a bit dodgy putting zokora there but I believe he started his career in defence and he could still do his nice runs down the Left tape.

Either him or Ifil.

[wayne wonder]

Play 3 at the back i say!!!

or play jenas there:rolleyes:

[Shuggie13]

Bring Houghton back into the side.

[jrio]

Just read that Stalteri is a doubt. That would mean we have 3 fit defenders - King, Dawson and Chimbonda. We will either have to play somebody out of position or a rookie defender.


To most of us Stalteri's always been a doubt. I've no doubt he will play but expect us to suffer on the left thru Alves and Navas. All the time I've spent cursing Lee and now I'm cursing his absence.... Assuming Jol goes for the attacking option of Mal on the left it would be conceivable to play Tainio at left-back. It's something of a quandrary as we only need a 1-0 win but will almost certainly concede, meaning 3 goals are required. When in doubt, attack and we've got the players to score goals. I predict lots of goals but not qualification. 2-2 or 3-2 to Spurs, going out on away goals.

[olly27]

I think this will go to extra time - 2-1 after normal time....I think we will win and get the third in extra time to send us through...Robbo will make a couple of outstanding saves tomorrow night..

[hodgy]

we have to play whoever plays left back for the stiffs. is that the reason why we have a reserve team rather than playing some one out of position. at least it will be natural to them and there positioning will be second nature.

[Spur]

Tainio at right back with Chimbonda left is the real alternative. Teemu at right back vs Inter Milan wasn't too bad, he scored from there as well.

Otherwise it's Ifil and Chimbo together, or bringing up the leftie's from the reserves. As it goes no one has mentioned one of our only left footers who always looked better at left back than left wing...Reto Ziegler...

[highlander]

one of Ifil or Charlie Lee is going to have to feature one way or another. that is unless we play someone out of position, Ghaly played at right back a couple of times pre-season and i think he may be capable but he is always liable to give free-kicks away.

despite this i imagine Stalteri will play, a slight hip problem isnt major, he should be able to play through it

[SurreySpur]

I'd keep Tainio in midfield and play a back four of stalteri(if fit) King Daws Steed.

Steed has played at full back and wing back a few times, he's gritty enough to do a good job.

[highlander]

I'd keep Tainio in midfield and play a back four of stalteri(if fit) King Daws Steed.

Steed has played at full back and wing back a few times, he's gritty enough to do a good job.

no chimbo then??

[Spur]

No Steed isn't a full back! I'd rather Jermaine Jenas at full back, he's basically Paul Stalteri anyway, just a midfield version.

I'm looking forward to Ifil proving himself once again, failing that then one of the lefties, or like I said, Reto Ziegler. Wouldn't be his first UEFA Cup appearance this season.

[SurreySpur]

no chimbo then??

Shit, yeah i forgot about chimbonda!! i forgot to move him back out to full back seeing as Ledley is hopefully playing!!

Spur, Malbranque would do a better job at full back than jenas anyday of the week. His ability to concentrate and play for the good of the team stands out!

[highlander]

am i right in thinking Reto is still on loan at Sampdoria

[SurreySpur]

I'm looking forward to Ifil proving himself once again, failing that then one of the lefties, or like I said, Reto Ziegler.

Isn't Reto on loan to sampdoria?? I dont even think he has a squad number this season!!!

[Spur]

Oh it's a very good call. Completely forgot about little Reto being so frozen out he's in the wildnerness of Serie A. I believe Samp are doing alright though, not too sure about Reto mind you.

We need a proper full back. I don't want anyone other than Chimbo moved out of position for this game. Give Ifil the job, give a lefty like Hughton the job. How could he fail with his old man guiding him on the wing? This is the chance they have been waiting for, to prove themselves like Ifil did as that young 17 year old against Liverpool and Newcastle before.

[larry]

gonna have to go for a spurs win we gonna be 2-0 up at half time then another 2 in the second half its been a while since we scored 4 goals in a game!:D

[Chewy]

Martin Jol has stated that Ifil will start if stalteri isnt fit.

[jrio]

It seems to have been decided that Reto has no future at the club. He's fallen far short of the promise he had when he arrived here. I'd have major concerns about Ifil playing in a high profile game like this. He looked crippled with nerves when he started against Southend. I'd even seriously consider playing Danny Murphy at full-back. Looks we'll be starting with the same strategy as in Spain, looking to restrict Alves and Navas, and introducing Mal in the second half to open up the game.

[wayne wonder]

Im stressed!!! Ledders never trained yesterday complaining of a slight pain!!!

Jol's gonna have to jump into that back 4 himself i tell ya or get paul van den hauwe back:rolleyes:

[SurreySpur]

Im stressed!!! Ledders never trained yesterday complaining of a slight pain!!!

Jol's gonna have to jump into that back 4 himself i tell ya or get paul van den hauwe back:rolleyes:

Or even get Pat Ven den Hauwe back :p sorry wayne i couldn't resist!!

[Ginola's Son]

King is playing! It's as simple as that!

I shudder to think of the mincemeat that'll be made of Ifil if he plays.

[Ioang]

Zokora at CB? STUPID ****ING CUP TIE RULE!

[yido4life]

2-0 spurs,im soooooooooo nervous.

[wayne wonder]

Or even get Pat Ven den Hauwe back :p sorry wayne i couldn't resist!!

lol oops i got stalteri on my mind:rolleyes:

[MaccYid]

Just got a bet on King to score first, spurs to win 4-2 at 1450 / 1

ohh that would be a nice cheeky £7250...................

[SurreySpur]

I just hope it doesn't go to penalties, i dont think my heart would be able to take it!!

[Gino Ginelli]

Right I'm off home to settle in. See you on the other side!

COYS!!!!

[wayne wonder]

I just hope it doesn't go to penalties, i dont think my heart would be able to take it!!

I'd be distraught if we gogt knocked out on oens i'd rather go down by a goal as pens is just harsh!!

We will concede it's just a matter of can we hit 2 or 3 in the 1st half and kill the tie

[Spur]

Ledley to score...that does sound good.

[hodgy]

maccyid. you had a lady godiva on that. good effort. hope you win. although that must be a bet for 90 mins only.

[mjbmedia]

just hope we dont score one then try to hold on for away goals victory.
that seems to be ancient history now thankfully.
im well excited :cool:

[SurreySpur]

Team


ROBBO

CHIMBONDA
TAINIO
DAWSON
KING

MALBRANQUE
LENNON
JENAS
ZOKORA

BERBATOV
KEANO

[jrio]

As I suspected, Tainio in at full-back though not on the left. Surprising because he's often played on the left in midfield and we undoubtedly lose a lot from Chimbo not being on the right.

Interesting bench: Ifil, Barnard, Taarabt, Defoe, Ghaly, Murphy.

Funny how Mido seems to disappear from week to week even from the bench.

[Spur]

As I suspected, Tainio in at full-back though not on the left. Surprising because he's often played on the left in midfield and we undoubtedly lose a lot from Chimbo not being on the right.

Interesting bench: Ifil, Barnard, Taarabt, Defoe, Ghaly, Murphy.

Funny how Mido seems to disappear from week to week even from the bench.

Who said he's on the right?

[SurreySpur]

Who said he's on the right?

Thats what i was thinking, i imagine tainio will play on the left with Chimbonda on the right. Good to see Lee Barnard on the Bench in place of Mido.

[jrio]

Who said he's on the right?
Chris Hughton, because they were happy with Chimbo on the left against Chelsea(!).

[Spur]

At first I thought i'd rather Tainio be on the right, but then I thought, do I really want Chimbo pushing forward against Dani? I'm thinking not.

I still think the best way to combat Alves is to play Lennon right on ****ing top of him. What can Alves do if Lennon is constantly sitting behind him waiting for a through ball?

[SurreySpur]

At first I thought i'd rather Tainio be on the right, but then I thought, do I really want Chimbo pushing forward against Dani? I'm thinking not.

I still think the best way to combat Alves is to play Lennon right on ****ing top of him. What can Alves do if Lennon is constantly sitting behind him waiting for a through ball?


Almost the same way that we played away against chelsea in the FA cup with lennon occupying makelele.

[SurreySpur]

Does anyone know where the ref is from? His name is Konrad Plautz. German,polish or austrian??

[jrio]

At first I thought i'd rather Tainio be on the right, but then I thought, do I really want Chimbo pushing forward against Dani? I'm thinking not.

I still think the best way to combat Alves is to play Lennon right on ****ing top of him. What can Alves do if Lennon is constantly sitting behind him waiting for a through ball?

Alves is playing in midfield so you may need to think again. I'm supposing Mal will start on the left but that he and Lennon will be very flexible in the positions they take up.

[jrio]

Does anyone know where the ref is from? His name is Konrad Plautz. German,polish or austrian??
Austrian so expect an appropriate level of incompetence.

[SurreySpur]

Austrian so expect an appropriate level of incompetence.

HAHAHA Yep spot on mate

[Spur]

Austrian so expect an appropriate level of incompetence.

Exactly my first thought. We've seen some incredibly inept refereeing in europe over the past two weeks, expect another tonight.

[SurreySpur]

God its great to see Ledley back on the teamsheet, we're going to do this!

[shakey18]

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[SurreySpur]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[shakey18]

****s Sake

[SurreySpur]

We should be 2 down now. ****ing terrible start.

[shakey18]

Over-****in Shit

[SurreySpur]

Thats us as good as out

[denis-cro]

sack Jol immediatly... IMMEDIATLY...IMMEDIATLY...

[jrio]

Good call, SS. That's pretty much game over.

[SurreySpur]

sack Jol immediatly... IMMEDIATLY...IMMEDIATLY...

Dont be such a prick, its a ****ing terrible start but we can still do it.

[denis-cro]

Dont be such a prick

Under Jol´s management We will never, ever, EVER won anything...due to his mistakes, we lost CC semis, due to his mistakes we lost FA quarter,,,wtf is this defensive line, wtf he does not give chance to youth players which natural positons are full backs...****ing idiot!!!

[JM_]

Under Jol´s management We will never, ever, EVER won anything...due to his mistakes, we lost CC semis, due to his mistakes we lost FA quarter,,,wtf is this defensive line, wtf he does not give chance to youth players which natural positons are full backs...****ing idiot!!!

Just go **** yourself! Two misstakes, non of Sir Martins, are the reasons we are 2-0 down! Berba and Keane will turn this around!

[jrio]

I can see us scoring 2 goals, maybe 3 late on, but no way 4. Call Steve McClaren, he's turned things around from this position!

[SurreySpur]

For **** Sake, they're shitting on us. we could be 4 down

[shakey18]

We're getting ripped apart-They're at least a yard quicker, and are showing why they are so high in la liga.

[SurreySpur]

Jenas with another quality delivery!!

[SurreySpur]

At least Teemu is displaying a bit of spirit!!

[jrio]

Clearly now it will be a case of pantomime falling from Sevilla till the end of the game. Spurs look too light-weight mentally to cope with that. At this stage I'd be settling for a draw because we could be easily 3 or 4 down.

There's no hope with this ref, as expected, because he'll immediatey penalise strong tackles yet ignore play-acting.

[SurreySpur]

Alves is a ****, someone do him and break the dirty ****s legs.

[SurreySpur]

Come on Boys, step it up a bit.

Is Jenas playing?

[shakey18]

That sums it up boys......

[jrio]

Need to go for broke straight away just to restore some dignity. I'd sanction 3 at the back, remove Jenas for Defoe, Keane and Tainio to push forward centrally with Zokora deeper. The tie was lost early on, possibly even earlier after that shit ref in Spain.

[SurreySpur]

god im ****ing depressed

[peterc]

What the ****, we could not even pass the ball around for the first twenty five minutes. All players need a right kick up their arse. I think that Martin needs to change tactics around, just saw the first goal and if Malbranque let that loose ball go, it was going out.

[shakey18]

god im ****ing depressed

Ditto my friend....

[Ginola's Son]

Oh this is horrible.

I feel ill. I dont how I remained in the room watching this shambles.

This is a good spurs team we have put out, apart from Tainio at left-back, this is the best Spurs team going.

Steed was HORRIFICALLY unlucky to have that own goal, ****in typical of our ****ing luck. I'm not blaming him at all, and its understandable that his shellshocked-ness has caused his performance to drop.

Second goal, outrageous, they just walked it in the net. Fredi ****ing Kanoute! The man who deliberately handballed it V Liverpool to cost us the league cup semi and now he's our nemesis again, i'll chuck Zokora a score to break the ****ers leg.

We're being outclassed guys and this is the reason why we shouldn't have qualified for the C-league. We're a good side, but some way off being a great side...this Seville are pretty damn good for a bunch of diving ****s

And this ref needs shooting, takes a lot for me to pray we had Graham Poll officiating.

We've proved we can score goals and we were coming into it a bit at the end of the half. We just need to try our best.

It's heartbreaking really.

[JM_]

Need to go for broke straight away just to restore some dignity. I'd sanction 3 at the back, remove Jenas for Defoe, Keane and Tainio to push forward centrally with Zokora deeper. The tie was lost early on, possibly even earlier after that shit ref in Spain.

You might even put on Taarabt on for Steed

[SurreySpur]

We need to get Lennon on the ball and maybe shift teemu into midfield and bring ifil on at right back. Get Zokora to face up his man and drive at them.

Jenas is a dead loss, a complete waste of space. He strolls around the pitch and makes zero effort in the challenge or getting back to defend. His set-peices are shit and i'm really struggling to see what he offers us.

I have to praise Zokora for his tracking back just before half time when seville broke and had a 4 v 2 situation. He caught his man up and held him there until support arrived.

Lets just hope the BIG MAN has ripped into them and we see a different team in the second half. I know its a long shot but this could still be the most glorious of glory glory nights.

[jason_21]

ive only just signed up coz i wanted to see how everyone felt bout the game, and its really the same sort of feel ... depressed, i actually thought we'd get something out of this, but unfortunately we just havent really got going, there are a few too many players who give the ball away too cheaply and just dont look interested, but all we can do is hope, if we get throuh im gonna streak all the way down the town sat night lol

[jrio]

The full-back positions look desperate, could hardly be worse in reverse. You do wonder what the pros are seeing when they think Chimbo looked good against Chelsea. At the moment it would be a shock if we scored. I expect we will, 80th minute or similar. Forget the kitchen sink, throw in the whole kitchen plus the conservatory.

[Ginola's Son]

but this could still be the most glorious of glory glory nights.

Yeah, for Seville.

[jrio]

You might even put on Taarabt on for Steed

Good call, forgot about him. I'd even be tempted to bring on a fan from the Park Lane. No changes though so fear the worst.

[SurreySpur]

We're at the Lane and we can score goals, lets ****ing do it. What have we got to lose?

[MarlowSpurs]

4 goals in 45 mins oh ****

[JM_]

Perhaps Seville will do a Spurs, and fall apart in the second ala our games against ManU and ManC...:p

[shakey18]

At least the fans are doing their bit........

[jason_21]

yeh now its time for the players :P

[SurreySpur]

At least the fans are doing their bit........

As usual they're amazing

[jason_21]

theatrical, but prob a peno

[SurreySpur]

Thats a ****ng penalty u bald ****

[shakey18]

A ****in pen-**** ref

[jrio]

At this rate I'll really be surprised if we score at all.

[jason_21]

malbranque has had his worse game ive ever seen him play

[shakey18]

malbranque has had his worse game ive ever seen him play

He's still pissed all over Jenus though-Get that **** off and Taarabt on.

[JM_]

Time to bring on some kids, as this is GAME OVER!

[SurreySpur]

Poulsen meant that. ****ing tosser. I hate these greasy dego bastards.

[jason_21]

****in shocking decision, prob our most energetic player, and he left jenas and malbraque on still

[SurreySpur]

Zokora is going off????????????????

How the **** does Jenas stay on for 90mins Every ****ing game????

[shakey18]

Geddin Jermain!!

[SurreySpur]

Come On You Spurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jason_21]

Get In!!! Its Game On!!!

[shakey18]

Here We ****in Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SurreySpur]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jason_21]

lets kill these spanish ****s

[MarlowSpurs]

****in Come On

[SurreySpur]

Lets do it, We can do this.

COME ON BOYS!!!!!

[SurreySpur]

We need to keep this high tempo, they dont like it.

[jrio]

We need to keep this high tempo, they dont like it.

...Mr Mainwairing!

[SurreySpur]

...Mr Mainwairing!

HAHA i was tempted to add 'up em' to the end but i stopped myself!!

[jason_21]

**** ... if only he got hold of that, damn daws :(

[SurreySpur]

Here comes 10mins of play acting and timewasting!!

[jason_21]

FFS why is no one putting their foot through the ball

[SurreySpur]

**** Off Jenas, your a waste of space. That freekick was Wank

[jason_21]

**** Off Jenas, your a waste of space

and he's apparently our free kick specialist .. joke

[jason_21]

well it was nice to think we were gonna get anything out of this :(

[SurreySpur]

I feel like crying

[shakey18]

Well done Teemu-at least you've give it some effort

[spurs4ever]

Well done Teemu-at least you've give it some effort



UTTER ****ING WANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SurreySpur]

As far as i'm concerned Jenas is no longer a Spurs player. HE IS A ****. He is now as low as a gooner, he didnt give a shit. if i ever meet him i'm going to smack him one.

[MACCSPURS]

Under Jol´s management We will never, ever, EVER won anything...due to his mistakes, we lost CC semis, due to his mistakes we lost FA quarter,,,wtf is this defensive line, wtf he does not give chance to youth players which natural positons are full backs...****ing idiot!!!

With intelligent comments like that, are you in the army?

[JM_]

Attention Harry Redknapp!! We have a midfielder you might be interested in.
You'll get him at a bargain price of 7mill and we'll put in Ghaly aswell. Interested?

I've waited for him to actually do something this season. But Jenas, you suck!

Good effort in the second, but it was a mission impossible with that start!

Let's not **** up the league now also!

COYS!!!

[peterc]

As far as i'm concerned Jenas is no longer a Spurs player. HE IS A ****. He is now as low as a gooner, he didnt give a shit. if i ever meet him i'm going to smack him one.

Why do you downgrade Jenas?, yes he was not at his best but for ****s shake so were at least another three others, so stop picking on Jenas, he has done well for us throughout the season.

[SurreySpur]

Ok Pal, You tell me how he has impressed or contributed in 'Big Games' . If your impressed by Jenas this season you obviously have a very different football insight to me mate.

You tell me, when has he played well for 90mins and bossed the midfield?

How the **** are you defending him ater that display??????????

[shakey18]

The problem with Jenas is that he appears not to give a flying ****, unlike players like Tainio who whilst not being the best player in the world, at least give it a go and battle for the cause.Tainio was no world beater, but he showed SOME fight despite being played out of position.Jenas showed he can take a piss-poor free-kick.

[JM_]

Why do you downgrade Jenas?, yes he was not at his best but for ****s shake so were at least another three others, so stop picking on Jenas, he has done well for us throughout the season.

Please enlighten me on that. I've actually tried to see positive on what he's done, but this is the end of that. He might score the odd goal, but think if we actually could have four midfielders for 90mins when he's playing. :confused:

[SurreySpur]

Bottom Line is Jenas gets battered on the Forum coz he is wank, he has a shit attitude and thinks the world owes him something. He is very quickly turning into my most hated tottenham player.

Why was Zokora taken off?? Jol obviously loves Jenas.

Zokora is the holding player yet he makes more attacking runs than jenas, what does JJ do ??

god i'm so ****ing angry

[Spur]

Wahey! I took the piss out of his one vs Chelsea, but way to go JJ. Needing two goals with 10 minutes left, all your teammates are waiting for a fluke of a decent delivery (like that would happen anyway), so from 40 yards out you do it again! Great free-kick. How funny is it that one decent corner from JD and even our keeper has time to take a touch and a shot, and yet a whole game's worth (for 'game's worth' read 'seasons worth') of dead balls from Jenas we create nothing.

Enough about him, he's proved again tonight how wrong I've been about him all this time :rolleyes:

First up, it was a great effort. I think tonight for 60-70 minutes we put one of the best sides in the world near enough in to our pocket. Certainly the second half was a much different performance, a complete different side from that we played as in Spain. Had the big guns pulled their finger out we could have done it. A bit more rub of the green and maybe it was ours.

Didn't like Zokora going off one bit, specially as their were others on the pitch doing nothing, like...Jenas! We needed some legs with 10-15 to go, I would have loved to see Adel given a go, he could have maybe done it for us. I'm saying that alot right now I know.

We can hold up our heads and say that we are not ready to take the next step up. We played Sevilla tonight who at the moment, aside from playing some great football, are second in la liga and challenging for the title. They will be playing CL football next year, and we did it with players out of position and players just back from injury. Good luck to 'em. Certainly not shameful to go out to these tonight. Just a shame we didn't get the win on our own patch.

[Spur]

Zokora is the holding player yet he makes more attacking runs than jenas, what does JJ do ??

Robinson is quickly overtaking Jenas in the 'shots on target' category too...

[peterc]

Ok Pal, You tell me how he has impressed or contributed in 'Big Games' . If your impressed by Jenas this season you obviously have a very different football insight to me mate.

You tell me, when has he played well for 90mins and bossed the midfield?

How the **** are you defending him ater that display??????????

If you read my thread properly I am not saying that he had a good game, but same as others who did not perform to their best. Jenas has performed well in other big games, if you view a few during the season you will also come across a few where he also managed to score. The reason why we conceeded those two goals today had no bearing towards his performance. Both were plain defensive errors. Certain referee decisions did not help either.

[shakey18]

Wahey! I took the piss out of his one vs Chelsea, but way to go JJ. Needing two goals with 10 minutes left, all your teammates are waiting for a fluke of a decent delivery (like that would happen anyway), so from 40 yards out you do it again! Great free-kick. How funny is it that one decent corner from JD and even our keeper has time to take a touch and a shot, and yet a whole game's worth (for 'game's worth' read 'seasons worth') of dead balls from Jenas we create nothing.

Enough about him, he's proved again tonight how wrong I've been about him all this time :rolleyes:

First up, it was a great effort. I think tonight for 60-70 minutes we put one of the best sides in the world near enough in to our pocket. Certainly the second half was a much different performance, a complete different side from that we played as in Spain. Had the big guns pulled their finger out we could have done it. A bit more rub of the green and maybe it was ours.

Didn't like Zokora going off one bit, specially as their were others on the pitch doing nothing, like...Jenas! We needed some legs with 10-15 to go, I would have loved to see Adel given a go, he could have maybe done it for us. I'm saying that alot right now I know.

We can hold up our heads and say that we are not ready to take the next step up. We played Sevilla tonight who at the moment, aside from playing some great football, are second in la liga and challenging for the title. They will be playing CL football next year, and we did it with players out of position and players just back from injury. Good luck to 'em. Certainly not shameful to go out to these tonight. Just a shame we didn't get the win on our own patch.

Agreed.No shame in losing to this lot.We now need to secure a UEFA place for next year, and make some astute signings in the summer.COYS!!.

[jrio]

Not a great surprise as we are too fragile under pressure. Actually did well to recover from 2 down as it could well have been 4. Both referees were weak, the first being particularly incompetent, but that happens. It's easy to score 2 goals when you still need 2 but try scoring 2 first and resisting the one that will take the tie level.

They should now go on and comprehensively beat Wigan. After that, destroy Arsenal. Disappointed for King as he was his usual immaculate self. Can I still mention Jenas? Because the free-kick sums him up.

[SurreySpur]

We should have beaten this mob. Im Gutted.

[GOONHATER]

Why do you downgrade Jenas?, yes he was not at his best but for ****s shake so were at least another three others, so stop picking on Jenas, he has done well for us throughout the season.

not only was penas shit, but malbranque was a disgrace he's:mad: got the touch of an elephant wearing a 50 pence boot!

[Indianspur]

jenas zakora and malbranque all had shockers first half but besides jenas the other two stepped up a level. i dont understand why jenas was not subbed!
Another thing we should play chimbonda Rb and taino left as that only leaves us un-natural on one side rather than both which is strange.
spurs really make me cry but hope to bounce back by getting into the uefa cup again andf hopefully with ledley and a couple of defensive signings we can challenge for 4th next season

[proto]

defoe showed more drive and comitment than jenas.... point proven

jenas just doesn't cut it, hes had some good performances, but never imo any grit or passion, and the odd good performance isn't enough if on your off days you don't convince with commitment at the least. we had a few sloppy guys out there today, but most seem to have the cause at heart (steed, tanio, keane etc), the only cause at jenas' heart is the jenas cause. he's got portsmouth writen all over him. i'm gutted jol took off zokora and not jenas, we were impotent at set plays all night, but zoko had at least shook them up a bit, and with us on the up, i woulda put money on him making a goal... with jenas on ... umm we still could have but not likely from him. hes an okay player, but okay isn't bloody good enough.

but i don't feel too bad in general about tonight (apart from the tears :o ), we were off at the start and we turned it on later, thats infinatly better than starting on and then letting go. most of the players stepped it up, not enough, but hey...

what i'm really annoyed about is their gamesmanship, and again poor reffing, it seemed like every foul and more was given against us, while they got away with flailing fists (on berb) stamping on heads (jenas) and faining injury (too numorous to mention). its about time somthing was done about the play acting in football, especialy in europe, post match fines or players staying off for as long as they waste on the pitch, maybe a 5th official assesing and timing shit. we lost from our own mistakes tonight, but we could have won without the ref/instatutionalised playacting.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;45309]Wahey! I took the piss out of his one vs Chelsea.
That's why quite a few fans disagreed with you arrogant remarks.

[Ginola's Son]

Firstly, lets get this straight. There are no 'positives' or 'COYS @ getting in the UEFA for next season'....We should have achieved THIS season! It's all about the here and now, and we have ****ed up in all 3 cup competitions and in all three instances, because we faced class opposition for the first time.

Robbie Earle put it down to inexperiance, I can't disagree, we have a young side and Spurs havent been in Europe in 8 years. We choked in that first half. Seville rattled us and we weren't able to recover.

The second half was very heartening, to see every white shirt - bar Jenas, I'll come on to him in a minute - giving their all for the team and for the fans was uplifting. We tried so hard. But just would not be allowed through. Be it shit penaltys over at their place, or non-given legit penalties at ours, we just would not be given the fortune to go through. Luck plays a big part in this game...we used it all up at Upton Park.

Jermaine Jenas. He's a nice lad, very articulate. He's also a very talented footballer, I saw him play for Newcastle and he scored some crackers, I always hoped he'd play for us one day, and he looked to be a shrewd buy after the Man U free kick. But...this season, I beleive he has been the catalyst to our exits in two of the cups, against the Arse, and tonight. For some reason, he thinks he is above the importance of the occaison, like we won't get his best in a quarter final, or a semi final, only a final is good enough for our Jermaine. This is due to being a near auto squad member of England and an auto Starter for Spurs even though his standards this season have been low. He really beleives his own hype. He should have been withdrawn tonight, not Zokora...who impresses me more in every game he plays. He was firing forward, giving it some welly long before the rest of the guys realized they were in a game.

Keane and Berbatov, they failed us in the first half, Lennon too, I love them all, but they were poor in that 45 minute period. And that too has cost us. I guess they were deprived of service, and because Seville started so well, but as Andy 'I wasn't exactly a great player' Townsend remarked, you cannot gift a team like Seville a two goal lead in a game where you must score first.

As usual, Spurs try to do things the hard way, and we've come unstuck yet again. **** next season, we should have achieved something this season! I'm sick of that boring 'big 4' monopolizing Englands glory! But if we play like that, they will continue.

Great heart, but that just ain't enough.

Still proud to be a Spur tho.

[Billywhizz]

stamping on heads (jenas)

Did'nt stamp on his head hard enough far as i'm concerned, time to get rid of the useless lump of shit, we don't need prima donas like him, swap him for Joey Barton quickly....................

[GOONHATER]

Firstly, lets get this straight. There are no 'positives' or 'COYS @ getting in the UEFA for next season'....We should have achieved THIS season! It's all about the here and now, and we have ****ed up in all 3 cup competitions and in all three instances, because we faced class opposition for the first time.

Robbie Earle put it down to inexperiance, I can't disagree, we have a young side and Spurs havent been in Europe in 8 years. We choked in that first half. Seville rattled us and we weren't able to recover.

The second half was very heartening, to see every white shirt - bar Jenas, I'll come on to him in a minute - giving their all for the team and for the fans was uplifting. We tried so hard. But just would not be allowed through. Be it shit penaltys over at their place, or non-given legit penalties at ours, we just would not be given the fortune to go through. Luck plays a big part in this game...we used it all up at Upton Park.

Jermaine Jenas. He's a nice lad, very articulate. He's also a very talented footballer, I saw him play for Newcastle and he scored some crackers, I always hoped he'd play for us one day, and he looked to be a shrewd buy after the Man U free kick. But...this season, I beleive he has been the catalyst to our exits in two of the cups, against the Arse, and tonight. For some reason, he thinks he is above the importance of the occaison, like we won't get his best in a quarter final, or a semi final, only a final is good enough for our Jermaine. This is due to being a near auto squad member of England and an auto Starter for Spurs even though his standards this season have been low. He really beleives his own hype. He should have been withdrawn tonight, not Zokora...who impresses me more in every game he plays. He was firing forward, giving it some welly long before the rest of the guys realized they were in a game.

Keane and Berbatov, they failed us in the first half, Lennon too, I love them all, but they were poor in that 45 minute period. And that too has cost us. I guess they were deprived of service, and because Seville started so well, but as Andy 'I wasn't exactly a great player' Townsend remarked, you cannot gift a team like Seville a two goal lead in a game where you must score first.

As usual, Spurs try to do things the hard way, and we've come unstuck yet again. **** next season, we should have achieved something this season! I'm sick of that boring 'big 4' monopolizing Englands glory! But if we play like that, they will continue.

Great heart, but that just ain't enough.

Still proud to be a Spur tho.A good post my man,but for me malbranque gave away too many sloppy passes in a game that needed him to attack the oppostion and put the killer cross in the danger area,and for me he just can't cut it,sorry if anyone does not see what i've seen all season.

[Spur]

A good post my man,but for me malbranque gave away too many sloppy passes in a game that needed him to attack the oppostion and put the killer cross in the danger area,and for me he just can't cut it,sorry if anyone does not see what i've seen all season.

Steed's been one of our best all season. Only player on the pitch who constantly runs himself into the ground as far as i'm concerned.

The passing problem wasn't just his. I mean we couldn't put two passes together for the first twenty and it only got marginally better after that at all in the first half. Actually, for Jenas it's been going on for two seasons, so when talking about Steed not doing it for half an hour you should count yourself lucky.

[jrio]

...and we have ****ed up in all 3 cup competitions and in all three instances, because we faced class opposition for the first time.
Yep

Jermaine Jenas. He's a nice lad, very articulate. He's also a very talented footballer, I saw him play for Newcastle and he scored some crackers, I always hoped he'd play for us one day....
Wwwwhhhhhaaaaaaaaattt!



Keane and Berbatov, they failed us in the first half, Lennon too, I love them all, but they were poor in that 45 minute period.
Overwhelmed midfield. Lennon muscled out again on the left.

[olly27]

Jenas attempting a free kick from that range and in those circumstamces, with all our players in the box, is nothing short of unacceptable.
Focus and concentration was missing in the first half...why was Malbranque standing the wrong side of the post?..in the first instance this is pointless..secondaly..he then has to clear with his wrong foot...he did bounce back in the second half as did most of the team..so fair play...inexperience cost us coupled with two poor reffering performances..but went out to a good side..gutted..but hey we keep our best players and sign a few quality players in the summer next season could be very exciting...

[Ginola's Son]

Townsend ripped into Steed for standing outside the post, never really noticed it before and he has a point, but what happened to Steed was freak bad luck. I really don't blame it all. IT was all the about the second goal and sloppy defending

[Spur]

Overwhelmed midfield. Lennon muscled out again on the left.

Lennon played right first half, he was twice the player on the left tonight than the right, surely you can agree with me on that?

[jrio]

I predict lots of goals but not qualification. 2-2 or 3-2 to Spurs.

Don't quote your own posts but well....If KK was around he'd no doubt be claiming this as some sort of expert football knowledge. Before you ask, yes, I backed my own judgement, not on correct scores but over 2.5/3.5 goals.

[jrio]

Lennon played right first half, he was twice the player on the left tonight than the right, surely you can agree with me on that?

Yeah, meant right but second half he more often came into central midfield as he ran across. God knows what Jol said to him in the 1st half when play stopped as nothing happened!

[jrio]

Got to be said, wondrous right-back, very effective at centre-back, but totally shit left-back. God only knows what football coaching staff see from the touchline.

And here's the gap between us and top 4:

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It hasn't changed that much, though Spurs ticket prices(!) won't reflect this.

[fluke]

Jenas attempting a free kick from that range and in those circumstamces, with all our players in the box, is nothing short of unacceptable.
Focus and concentration was missing in the first half...why was Malbranque standing the wrong side of the post?..in the first instance this is pointless..secondaly..he then has to clear with his wrong foot...he did bounce back in the second half as did most of the team..so fair play...inexperience cost us coupled with two poor reffering performances..but went out to a good side..gutted..but hey we keep our best players and sign a few quality players in the summer next season could be very exciting...

I would go further and say that Jenas' service has been appauling for most of this season. How can we rely on such mediocrity fromset pieces? The guy can't take a free kick or corners. I don't know why he gets charged with the responsibility. Don't get it at all.

[Ginola's Son]

I notice no-one has come and given Defoe any credit. You're all quick to bash him, but up to his inception, we couldn't hit a barn door, soon as he comes on, we grab two goals.

He couldn't be expected to create 4, but he did more in 25 minutes then most did in the whole match

[Welsh Spur]

I know this now has no bearing on anything but -

We were robbed....Hear me out.

1st Leg, penalty incorrectly given. (Robbo on Kerzakhov) Therefore score should have been 1-1.
2nd Leg penalty incorrectly not given. (Zokora pulled over) Therefore score should have been 3-2.

This would mean we win 4-3 on agg. We were crap 1st half so no complaints though.

[singapore spur]

disappointing , but up against a good and experienced european team , nothing to be too ashamed about , and i think spurs have had a great european campaign . the turning points were the penalty feck up by the ref in the 1st game , and the own goal by steed , two things that shouldnt and normally wouldnt happen so im not too despondant .remember we did start with a rejigged defence and they took advantage of it from the off as was their gameplan .
saying that sevilla looked a class better than us in the 1st 30 or 40 mins and they culd afford to stop playing when the game was as good as won .
echo what many have said about jenas , was a big potential season for him and he hasnt cut it , time for an upgrade . also bemused why zak came off and jenas didnt but im not going to start cnuting jol off , he like many of our players is on a learning curve

on the up side how fecking great was it to see sir ledlley back in action . welcome back

[Gino Ginelli]

God I'm so downtrodden right now I can't comment much. That first 5 minutes was so painful, bewildering, angering and comical that I spent the rest of the 1st half completely depressed, and hardly watched the second (the theory being that if I didn't we'd achieve a miracle. Lo and behold when I checked back we'd gotten 2! I swear to you that works! I should've turned it back off again! For the last games of the season we should ignore all the games until MOTD, and no one should go to the games. We'll win every game 4-0!!

Anyway, the only the thing I'll comment on is that we clearly came out in the 2nd half all guns blazing and we scored 2 goals. My question is why were the drastic tactics not employed immediately? Mourinho would've taken a defender off immeadiately and gone 3-4-3 to get at least 1 back before half time, then gone really crazy and gone 3-3-4. We needed4 goals. You don't get that by keeping a 4-4-2 when you're 3 down! Baffling.

Anyway, I'm left completely exhausted from all this football at the moment. Think I'll take a week off.






Oh... and Jenas is shit ;)

[mjbmedia]

I know the UEFA cup is the poor relation, but bearing in mind there were only four CL games last week and this week, youd think theyd have found two good refs for the UEFA cup matches, especially a match up that was good enough for the final.
anyway those two tossers can sleep easy i guess .

so did we think it was an 8 oclock kick off then cos we sure didnt turn up on time.

i was calling for Defoe in exchange for Mal at half time not after 60 minutes , pull Tainio out the defence into midfield, 3 across the back with Chimb back on the rightish side and Teemu, Zokora and Jenas helping as and when, we needed 4!!! im sure Jose would have done something along these lines not hoped for 30 minutes that the hugely ineffective (lets see how many dead ends we can run up this match) Keane and Mal would bring about such a change.

JD comes on, scores first touch with a neat touch that had it been Henry theyd have been purring over, then has the BRAINS (wheres that Cheddar(sp?) **** ) to not touch the second and so be offside but still shield the ball into the net and also to set up an easy chance for Berbs to fluff, still we'll drop him next game again cos Keanes a legend zzzzzzz.

JJ deliveries were very good,not his fault the boys in the box dont make more of them but they were all around the penalty spot and the keeper only got to one of them early on. i knew the muppets on here would only mention the ballooned free kick but as there was no angle to play it in at he did have the confidence to try which is more than most our midfield do and even the best miss by miles at times , eh Keane,Ronaldo,Ronaldhino.

If the changes were made at half time, and Zokora should never have been the one to go, we may ,may have done it .

but hey we got some free time now to grab 4th , we should have put more into Saturday v Chelsea (i did say play the same team), the point/s could cost us but we stil laint lost for some time (Once) in Europe at The Lane .
The season lives on.......................................

[Shuggie13]

I know this now has no bearing on anything but -

We were robbed....Hear me out.

1st Leg, penalty incorrectly given. (Robbo on Kerzakhov) Therefore score should have been 1-1.
2nd Leg penalty incorrectly not given. (Zokora pulled over) Therefore score should have been 3-2.

This would mean we win 4-3 on agg. We were crap 1st half so no complaints though.

Great in theory, and as you point out it had no bearing on the game. I have two points regarding this.

1) We lost this tie because our composure was no where to be seen in both matches. In the first leg we should have shut them out for 1st half and pushed for a second goal. Instead we lost concentration and let them get back in the game. The penalty however criminal was irrelevant, the fact that we buckled was. Last night goes without saying, I watched this morning again the second goal and the amount of players static when Sevila move into the box and get the ball to Kanoute is frightening. I'd actually go on to say the penalty not given in the 2nd leg was actually more relevant.

2) Swing-and-roundabouts? Bollocks. Someone feel free to correct me but I can't recall any desicions like this (the two penalties) going in our favour this season. How many games have we won because the other side were done over by poor reffing? I recall maybe one match where someone should have had a penalty against us but that is about it. Sevilla are undoubtedly a good side but this should have been the final. My problem is two referees made every attempt to stifle our play. I'm not suggesting this is in anyway a conspiracy but we just never seemed to get a break. Very disappointing indeed and coupled with the fact that our players seem to still have that mental fortutude we need to look at this next season.

[Defoe8]

Was sitting in the Upper South Stand last night, directly above the goal, so had a great view of the pitch.

First of all, let me just say the atmosphere was ****in electric, it made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, I could barely speak by the end of the game.

We were s hit in the 1st half, letting in 2 goals in the first few minutes basically put them through and we could barely string a pass together, let alone threaten their goal.

Malbranque the **** should have not kicked at the ball so wildly, and he was useless for most of the half. Jenas, I don't know why he stayed on the pitch when he was doing absoloutely nothing, he should have gone off instead of Zokara.

We were much better in the 2nd half, scoring 2 goals and creating chance after chance, but it was too little too late. One thing we lacked all game was width, everything was played through the narrow centre making it much easier for Sevilla to defend against, even Lennon on the wing kept cutting in all the time and I believe Tarrabat on the LW would have really made an impact 2night.

Martin Jol should have put on Defoe and Tarrabat on at half time, as well as replacing Tanno at RB with Iffil, but he sat their doing **** all until it was too late. I have no idea why he didn't change things round at half time, what annoys me about him is he's reluctant to take risks when we really need him to!!

Yes the ref should have given us a penalty and was biased against us, it was clear to see but at the end of the day Spurs self destructed and can only blame themselves.

[Shuggie13]

Just one other point, how did Poulsen stay on the pitch for stamping on a players head?!?!?! If that isn't dangerous play I'm not sure what is, intentional or not. A foot up, studs showing gets you booked (see Tainio x 2) but studs down on a players head doesn't?

The only reason I can think is that the ref thought well Jenas is a useless **** and deserved it, which would have been his only decent desicion of the night.

[Milney yid]

Just one other point, how did Poulsen stay on the pitch for stamping on a players head?!?!?! If that isn't dangerous play I'm not sure what is, intentional or not. A foot up, studs showing gets you booked (see Tainio x 2) but studs down on a players head doesn't?

The only reason I can think is that the ref thought well Jenas is a useless **** and deserved it, which would have been his only decent desicion of the night.


I saw that as well, and didn't know whether I should congratulate the guy or be angry with him. It's pathetic that he gets away with that, yet a few minutes later they got a freekick for a push in the back or something stupid like that.

[Ginola's Son]

And Tainio's challenge was a yellow, not a red

[Spur]

No-one mentioned the penalty shout on Chimbonda either, the push in the back. The ref gave them all day long against King and Dawson but they get away with it just because it's in the box...

I don't think changing formation would have done us any favours, going 3 at the back would have been absolutely suicidal. Had we done that, within 10 minutes we would have needed 5 goals. We saw at times we only had one defender back, so you can't say we weren't attacking. We should have got Taarabt on. We needed someone to run at them with quick feet, maybe go down you know aka Adel vs West Ham. One run changed the game.

Defoe did do alright. His goal was a fluke though no question. Both our goals were really. JD tried hitting it with his left and it hit his right ankle and went in. As it goes Jermain did a Steed Malbranque only in the right net!

Had Teemu played in the middle instead of Jenas we wouldn't have lost our usual edge, that bite.

But like I said before. There's no shame in going out to this mob, they are a top, top class side, even though they were slightly lucky to still be in the competition! Good luck to 'em, I hope we have gone out to the eventual winners.

[SurreySpur]

Im never going to buy another ****ing Orange ever again!!

[SurreySpur]

But like I said before. There's no shame in going out to this mob, they are a top, top class side, even though they were slightly lucky to still be in the competition! Good luck to 'em, I hope we have gone out to the eventual winners.

I cant disagree with the fact that they are a top class side but I really dont want to see them win it, their gamesmanship was truly appauling. I dont care which of the other three teams win it now.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I cant disagree with the fact that they are a top class side but I really dont want to see them win it, their gamesmanship was truly appauling. I dont care which of the other three teams win it now.

They and Porto are renowned throughout Europe for being the worst divers and time wasters around, no one wants to play them but it doesn't have very much to do wth their players, after all their defence is completely sub-standard as has been proven by Spurs.

[Spur]

I cant disagree with the fact that they are a top class side but I really dont want to see them win it, their gamesmanship was truly appauling. I dont care which of the other three teams win it now.

It's well said actually there Surrey. It's something that pisses me off no-end. Your right, a team like that shouldn't win it.

[MiloMinderbinder]

It's well said actually there Surrey. It's something that pisses me off no-end. Your right, a team like that shouldn't win it.

Said it before I'll say it again, if cheating teams and debatable officials are part of the European football parcel - keep it.

[mjbmedia]

Why do you downgrade Jenas?, yes he was not at his best but for ****s shake so were at least another three others, so stop picking on Jenas, he has done well for us throughout the season.
mate its cos theyre (mainly) a bunch of plonkers who say they support spurs but appear to only like the players that huff and puff, look busy and energetic, and use/waste a lot of energy running up blind alleys ,you know beat the first man , maybe the second, then not see the guy directly behind him and lose the ball instead of assesing the situation before setting off, or those that try to take on the opposition when they know theyve not got the skills there. They seem to mistake running around a lot for showing you care:rolleyes:

They also dont comprehend that just cos the guys in the box dont make the most of a free kick/ corner doesnt mean that the delivery is always poor ,the keeper only got hold of one or two dead balls and 80%+ of the dead balls by JJ ended up around the penalty spot to prove my point, o and despite them pretty much all eulogising (cumming in their pants) over the brilliance of MJ week in week out, still they think they know more than him regarding JJ who apparently to the uneducated isnt good enough to start every game and should be sold off for three camels and Bobby zamora!!!

go figure !!

[Shuggie13]

mate its cos theyre (mainly) a bunch of plonkers who say they support spurs but appear to only like the players that huff and puff, look busy and energetic, and use/waste a lot of energy running up blind alleys ,you know beat the first man , maybe the second, then not see the guy directly behind him and lose the ball instead of assesing the situation before setting off, or those that try to take on the opposition when they know theyve not got the skills there. They seem to mistake running around a lot for showing you care:rolleyes:

I'm sorry I was under the impression that central midfielders were supposed to break-up play, get tackles in, be energetic, dictate play, make decisive passes and make themself busy for the whole match. Evidently the central midfielders role is to be invisible for at least half of the match; make two or three well placed passes and spend the rest of the match looking completely out of place; not get over a decent corner in the last eight matches and let Defoe come on too show you how to get a cross in; in one of the most important matches of the season decide to have a shot from 40 yards out while your team mates have packed the box.

Gerrard, Essien, Zokora, Barton, Sidwell, Nolan, Alonso are just a few Premiership players that have already signed up for Jermaine Jenas Summer School for Central Midfielders.


They also dont comprehend that just cos the guys in the box dont make the most of a free kick/ corner doesnt mean that the delivery is always poor ,the keeper only got hold of one or two dead balls and 80%+ of the dead balls by JJ ended up around the penalty spot to prove my point, o and despite them pretty much all eulogising (cumming in their pants) over the brilliance of MJ week in week out, still they think they know more than him regarding JJ who apparently to the uneducated isnt good enough to start every game and should be sold off for three camels and Bobby zamora!!!

go figure !!

You say that we do not comprehend that the other players are not making the most of JJ's talents? It's a simple fact that his deliveries are just not good enough. Or maybe you are suggesting that Berbie, Keane, Chimbo are just not good enough to score from his brilliant deliveries. As for the keeper not getting to 80% of JJ's dead balls surely that is a reflection on the keepers ability? I notice you didn't say JJ created scoring chances with 80% of his dead balls.


All season I have not jumped on any one players back and given them time. I challenge you to find any match where Jenas' positives have greatly outweighed his negatives. While you're at at name me one match where he dominated and was the deciding factor in the win.

[Spur]

I don't know what you watch when you say his deadballs all end up on the penalty spot. My brother defends Jenas no end, even he said the other day that every single one was over hit. Is it coincidence we have scored from one set-piece in 3 years...

Let's go through some. How about that free kick from basically the corner spot but a better angle. Yea that went out for a goal kick. The free kick shot from 100 yards. Goal kick also. If i'm not mistaken two of our corners went out for goal-kicks too. Great ratio of getting it on the penalty spot.

By the way, you always seem to use the same card when talking to us who dislike him. You say we aren't fans, then claim we know more about him than Jol does. Well how comes MJB you criticise other players - who do more for the team may I add - but your exempt from this rule?

I've got a great example of a top coach who has won everything at a certain level and been in the game for more than 50 years complaining that Darren Fletcher - who is shit but still miles better than Jenas - plays week in week out for United. Clearly this man doesn't have a clue about football, despite everything over the years!

[RuFuS]

What i dont understand is playing players out of position. I know that with injuries this had to happen but why was Chimbo playing at left back ?

It would have been better to have a normal back 3 of Chimbo-Daws-King with Tainio at LB making up the 4. There are 3 reasons for this. King has played at LB so would have been able to cover Tainio if he got caught out. Chimbo would have handled Alves alot better than Tainio (not knocking tainio in anyway here by the way).
3rdly and probably most importantly Chimbo backs up Lennon on the wing. Lennon trusts him to sort it out if he loses the ball. He knows where he's going to be and what he's likley to do,which he wouldn't do with Tainio. Thats why lennon appeared to have a better 2nd half when played on the left in the 2nd half with chimbo behind him.

[mjbmedia]

. Is it coincidence we have scored from one set-piece in 3 years...
well i seriously challenge those stats as false just to try to prove your point but actually helping to prove mine!!

Let's go through some. How about that free kick from basically the corner spot but a better angle. Yea that went out for a goal kick. The free kick shot from 100 yards. Goal kick also. If i'm not mistaken two of our corners went out for goal-kicks too. Great ratio of getting it on the penalty spot.

ah yes like Keane shot wildly when a simple cross could have found 3 in the middle, Berbs done no more than a back pass from Defoes set up, but no lets take the easy route and all mention JJ free kick which was ****ing pants i agree but mention everyones **** ups ie Mals super duper clearance, cant say he looked like he cared much as he ran away for the restart and i like him when he lifts his head up.

By the way, you always seem to use the same card when talking to us who dislike him. You say we aren't fans, then claim we know more about him than Jol does. Well how comes MJB you criticise other players - who do more for the team may I add - but your exempt from this rule?


maybe cos im not the same every game , i may criticise players on a game by game basis not 'we lost so jenas is rubbish' when it wasnt his fault we lost . name me an occasion when he done something thats directly led to us losing a game, and also the fact that the JJ haters views arent shared by the spurs management or the experts assessing the games

I've got a great example of a top coach who has won everything at a certain level and been in the game for more than 50 years complaining that Darren Fletcher - who is shit but still miles better than Jenas - plays week in week out for United. Clearly this man doesn't have a clue about football, despite everything over the years!
cant be arse to do the quote thing properly

[Spur]

Name me a time when Jermaine Jenas has directly led to us winning a game. You'll mention his goals, like i've said before, your content with a player who ball watches, loses the ball, puts his own teammates under pressure, shocking delivery at set-pieces (how you claim my last point helps you is baffling, by what your saying your just showing how naive you are to blame those trying to get on the end of them for such a long time), can't cross, doesn't shoot...the list goes on, but gets one goal every 10 games.

The other day, I can't remember what game it was, it could have been Sevilla away, my brother mentioned Dimitar Berbaov had done nothing except for when he set up the goal. I looked at him, gave the dirtiest of evils and said, 'how can you say that about Berba, when Jermaine Jenas does nothing for 90 minutes more or less every game?'

There was no answer from that one. I really just don't get it. I have tried to look for positives - positives that I KNOW ARE THERE - but he just doesn't show them. That JJ compilation I put up a while back, all were in Newcastle colours. I'm of sound mind enough to give you the exact times when JJ has done well for us. The reason I like played like Steed and Teemu is because they have earnt my respect. By the way both have had more shots than JJ this season from outside the box - but JJ is our attacking midfielder how comes he doesn't do it? It just doesn't make sense.

I just can't see how anyone can be satisfied with his performances. He doesn't do what other players do. Had we had Cahill last season we would have got 4th. **** it, had we had Nigel ****ing Quashie last season - we would have got 4th. These are players that actually do something.

He is a joke of a player.

Let's start booing him. It's the only way to get through sometimes. A manager won't carry on loving him if he gets boo'ed. Does that make me less of a fan? You can say that if you want, but if you do I call you less of a fan for not sticking up for the best interests of the Club. He's ****ing shocking. I've not had a proper JJ rant for ages. With a bit of luck he will start producing and in the process get us some of that ridiculous amount of money we spent on him. 7million pounds!!! Your having a laugh. He's not even a 2million player. Danny Murphy gives more to the team than Jenas. And at least Danny can hit a cross and a decent set-piece.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;45445]Name me a time when Jermaine Jenas has directly led to us winning a game. You'll mention his goals, like i've said before, your content with a player who ball watches, loses the ball, puts his own teammates under pressure, shocking delivery at set-pieces (how you claim my last point helps you is baffling, by what your saying your just showing how naive you are to blame those trying to get on the end of them for such a long time), can't cross, doesn't shoot...the list goes on, but gets one goal every 10 games.

The other day, I can't remember what game it was, it could have been Sevilla away, my brother mentioned Dimitar Berbaov had done nothing except for when he set up the goal. I looked at him, gave the dirtiest of evils and said, 'how can you say that about Berba, when Jermaine Jenas does nothing for 90 minutes more or less every game?'

There was no answer from that one. I really just don't get it. I have tried to look for positives - positives that I KNOW ARE THERE - but he just doesn't show them. That JJ compilation I put up a while back, all were in Newcastle colours. I'm of sound mind enough to give you the exact times when JJ has done well for us. The reason I like played like Steed and Teemu is because they have earnt my respect. By the way both have had more shots than JJ this season from outside the box - but JJ is our attacking midfielder how comes he doesn't do it? It just doesn't make sense.

I just can't see how anyone can be satisfied with his performances. He doesn't do what other players do. Had we had Cahill last season we would have got 4th. **** it, had we had Nigel ****ing Quashie last season - we would have got 4th. These are players that actually do something.

He is a joke of a player.
I think that you might be the joker, JJ's free kick created our first goal that Defoe tapped in, as I have already said, he did not play well, but you seem to just continuously pick on him, **** off and pick on the rest who under performed as well.

[Shuggie13]

I think that you might be the joker, JJ's free kick created our first goal that Defoe tapped in, as I have already said, he did not play well, but you seem to just continuously pick on him, **** off and pick on the rest who under performed as well.

Well at least we are not resorting to swearing in a debate. Frustration setting in? Keep your blinkers on though and keep ignoring the reasoned examples of why Jenas is frustrating a lot of us.

[Spur]

I think that you might be the joker, JJ's free kick created our first goal that Defoe tapped in, as I have already said, he did not play well, but you seem to just continuously pick on him, **** off and pick on the rest who under performed as well.

Underperformed for all their Spurs careers? Now who's the joker. Good one Pete.

Well done, you named me one, which by the way was an incredibly flukey goal (I'm sure Jenas was aiming for Jermain's ankle). You could have used the Dawson vs Chelsea, or even the Mido vs Arsenal.

As it goes Jermaine Jenas' best moments for us were when he came off the bench for 45 minutes against Arsenal - he even had a quality shot from 35 yards out reminiscent of his Geordie days. His only other good all round performance was against Slavia Prague away - even though he did attempt a slide tackle and slide through the opponents legs...

And that's the difference between you and me Pete. You have selective memory clearly, whilst I don't.

And Shuggie, well said.

[peterc]

Well at least we are not resorting to swearing in a debate. Frustration setting in? Keep your blinkers on though and keep ignoring the reasoned examples of why Jenas is frustrating a lot of us.


Read the past threads with all the swearing, you lot seem to think that it was all down to JJ'S bad performance, you seem to forget that a team consists of eleven players and don't bother slagging other players off, whom were well below par.

[Spur]

Read the past threads with all the swearing, you lot seem to think that it was all down to JJ'S bad performance, you seem to forget that a team consists of eleven players and don't bother slagging other players off, whom were well below par.

As it goes Pete I thought the Sevilla game was one of JJ's better games.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=Spur;45448]Underperformed for all their Spurs careers? Now who's the joker. Good one Pete.
You would say that cos you just don't llike the guy, remember when he was injured, we did not quite get best results, since he has come back into the team, midlfield has been much stronger and also he also created some good passes that have lead onto goals.

Well done, you named me one, which by the way was an incredibly flukey goal (I'm sure Jenas was aiming for Jermain's ankle). You could have used the Dawson vs Chelsea, or even the Mido vs Arsenal.
I suppose you will blame JJ for Defoe's flukey goal, you do talk from your backside.

As it goes Jermaine Jenas' best moments for us were when he came off the bench for 45 minutes against Arsenal - he even had a quality shot from 35 yards out reminiscent of his Geordie days. His only other good all round performance was against Slavia Prague away - even though he did attempt a slide tackle and slide through the opponents legs...

Your opinion would be a negative one.

And that's the difference between you and me Pete. You have selective memory clearly, whilst I don't.
I think that Jol has the selective memory and I'm sure he knows much more that you and me put together, he has so far proven to us that he is able to take us further. You seriously think that he would pick JJ if he was that bad as you seem to portray??.

[Shuggie13]

Read the past threads with all the swearing, you lot seem to think that it was all down to JJ'S bad performance, you seem to forget that a team consists of eleven players and don't bother slagging other players off, whom were well below par.

And evidently you don't bother reading many posts on this board. Other players
are criticized, have you even read this whole thread?

What do you not understand? Jenas has continually underperformed, does not warrant his first team place and is actually a hinderance to the team. He adds no value at all.

[peterc]

As it goes Pete I thought the Sevilla game was one of JJ's better games.

Sarcasim is the lowest form of wit. One day, you will bite your own tongue.

[peterc]

And evidently you don't bother reading many posts on this board. Other players
are criticized, have you even read this whole thread?
Other players are mentioned on this board but not as much slagging goes to them. You guys have this hate on JJ. Hev has not underperformed all season and I'm sure that Martin Jol is not that daft to play him if he did. problem is some of you seem to think that you have more knowledge of the game than the manager. I wonder why many of you are not managing teams.
What do you not understand? Jenas has continually underperformed, does not warrant his first team place and is actually a hinderance to the team. He adds no value at all.
What I understand is a prat like you seems to think that you know more than a manager, whom has proven that he is capable of taking us further without the un necessary bitchy remarks of players who are human and tend to have a few off days.

[Spur]

You would say that cos you just don't llike the guy, remember when he was injured, we did not quite get best results, since he has come back into the team, midlfield has been much stronger and also he also created some good passes that have lead onto goals.

I wish I could like him. the recent resugence in form can more than likely be put down to Teemuy Tainio, who has a track record of being in the team whilst we win. Last season we had a dip in form when Teemu was missing for consecutive games...this season we did too...coincidence? I think not. We already have countless views on Tainio being one of the most important players, from when I said it last season to when others I respect more than you have said it this.

I'm also begging of you to find me some of these passes you talk about.

Also, you Jenas makes the midfield stronger? Well that's an oxymoron right there.

I suppose you will blame JJ for Defoe's flukey goal, you do talk from your backside.

Well your the one trying to credit him for it!?!? You just can't be serious...were you just mucking around by saying that? Because right now I just can't take you serious after saying that.

[Spur]

Sarcasim is the lowest form of wit. One day, you will bite your own tongue.

I was actually being deadly serious. I was going to come on here and say that for his level of consistancy this was a good game for him, despite being shit for roughly 90 minutes, to find everyone was ****ing him off. I was quite surprised.

[peterc]

I wish I could like him. the recent resugence in form can more than likely be put down to Teemuy Tainio, who has a track record of being in the team whilst we win. Last season we had a dip in form when Teemu was missing for consecutive games...this season we did too...coincidence? I think not. We already have countless views on Tainio being one of the most important players, from when I said it last season to when others I respect more than you have said it this.
He is also well known for his un necessary tackles and red cards.

I'm also begging of you to find me some of these passes you talk about.
[COLOR="Red"]Same as the ones that Zokora, Taino have sent astray, but no we all want to slag off Jenas. [/COLO
R]
Also, you Jenas makes the midfield stronger? Well that's an oxymoron right there.

Obviuosly describing yourself ,no dobt.

Well your the one trying to credit him for it!?!? You just can't be serious...were you just mucking around by saying that? Because right now I just can't take you serious after saying that.

Sarcasim does not get you out of foundless comments.

[Spur]

You know what. Your obviously just a fool. There's no point in even being on here mate, you must be trying to wind people up for the fun of it because your just not saying anything constructive, nor logical, nor intelligent.

[peterc]

You know what. Your obviously just a fool. There's no point in even being on here mate, you must be trying to wind people up for the fun of it because your just not saying anything constructive, nor logical, nor intelligent.

Fools are the ones who normally would comment like you and who just want to slat off players, thinking that they know more than the manager and cannot accept that they talk crap.

[Spur]

Fools are the ones who normally would comment like you and who just want to slat off players, thinking that they know more than the manager and cannot accept that they talk crap.

Well this is a forum mate - about football. You have to expect it. More the fool you for being here and not.

[peterc]

Well this is a forum mate - about football. You have to expect it. More the fool you for being here and not.

A forum about football, totally agree, being here does not mean that we are all fools, except you seem to dislike other's opinions, a forum is also about different opinions. Once you participate, one should be prepared to accept them.

[Shuggie13]

I notice peter you did not reply to my post 'review of the season'. You will find on that thread criticism and analysis of the whole team. You need to input a little bit more into the forum before you start throwing your toys out the pram.

[SurreySpur]

I notice peter you did not reply to my post 'review of the season'. You will find on that thread criticism and analysis of the whole team. You need to input a little bit more into the forum before you start throwing your toys out the pram.

Nicely put shuggie

[peterc]

I notice peter you did not reply to my post 'review of the season'. You will find on that thread criticism and analysis of the whole team. You need to input a little bit more into the forum before you start throwing your toys out the pram.

I did not bother to reply to your post of review of the seson for the simple fact that most of the criticism is without any foundation and confirms that many of you here think that you know more than the manager who is now proving that he is capable of turning things around at the Lane. So I will leave you to throw your toys out of your pram.

[Spur]

A forum about football, totally agree, being here does not mean that we are all fools, except you seem to dislike other's opinions, a forum is also about different opinions. Once you participate, one should be prepared to accept them.

Once again you show you don't even read all of our views, only yesterday someone made a completely different suggestion to me and I changed my mind to agree with theirs.

You disagree on the one fact about Jenas and generalise it. I know others opinions on Jenas but they are just plain baseless, they use examples that just don't happen and ignore all the many more examples of him being useless to get their own points across.

I did not bother to reply to your post of review of the seson for the simple fact that most of the criticism is without any foundation and confirms that many of you here think that you know more than the manager who is now proving that he is capable of turning things around at the Lane. So I will leave you to throw your toys out of your pram.

Again, this is a forum for us, we air our views whatever they may be, if they disagree with the managers views then so be it. Do you have to agree with everything your manager does to be a good fan? Do you have to agree with everything your manager at work does or says to be a good worker? The answer is no to both, so short of telling Martin Jol, this is the next best place, and I will continue to air my views and encourage others to air theirs, afterall I do create alot of threads asking for others opinions on subjects I don't even have an opinion on.

[peterc]

Once again you show you don't even read all of our views, only yesterday someone made a completely different suggestion to me and I changed my mind to agree with theirs.

You disagree on the one fact about Jenas and generalise it. I know others opinions on Jenas but they are just plain baseless, they use examples that just don't happen and ignore all the many more examples of him being useless to get their own points across.
This is your view and opinion, that does not necessary mean that it is correct. Time will tell who is right. If I'm proven wrong, I will be the first to put my hands up.

Again, this is a forum for us, we air our views whatever they may be, if they disagree with the managers views then so be it. Do you have to agree with everything your manager does to be a good fan? Do you have to agree with everything your manager at work does or says to be a good worker? The answer is no to both, so short of telling Martin Jol, this is the next best place, and I will continue to air my views and encourage others to air theirs, afterall I do create alot of threads asking for others opinions on subjects I don't even have an opinion on.

I agree that everyone is entilted to their own opinion, Jol has made a few tactical errors, he is human, however, some here seem to think that they have more knowledge that he has, and don't seem to understand that we cannot have a super squad overnight, come next season, then yes, we will expect a huge improvement.

[shakey18]

I rekon that BMJ has improved things completely.Surely we must ALL agree that BMJ is a much better boss than Pleat, Santini, Gross et al.We all need to remember that for god knows how many years we have been total shit.We have just avoided relegation, and within 2 years some on this forum expect champions league football.As a club we need to be that high, but realistically we aren't.We need to progress.I think we can get there but we need to take our time.I think it will coinside with the demise of those evil ****ers from the grove-my god i hate those ****s!!.

[mjbmedia]

dont worry petec ive been here a while so people like Shuggie cant say that to me, infact he?? is only a junior spur compared to me so maybe he should shut up and climb back into his? cot.

yes its a forum so get used to the fact that not everyone thinks Jenas or Defoe are useless , we dont all like the same type of players and we dont all expect an average midfielder to perform like a world class one, when questions are asked you JJ haters dont/cant answer them , still waiting for examples of where JJ has directly cost us games, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
where has he won us games, none that i can think of but then hes not that sort of midfielder and i cant think of many games where any one of our midfield has had a singularly huge influence on things.
they probably failed to notice while you were were watching that most of the second half JJ was covering as Chimbo, Zokora, King, Mal, Lennon ,Tainio to a lesser extent all went forwards. many times as Seville broke who was there to break it up or slow it up?? see thats football, thats what some midfielders do, theyre not glory seekers they do the neccesary but inglorious grafting.

so to those who say drop, sell etc etc JJ, and Jol keeps picking him every game and he keeps him on dead ball duties, how do you back the manager when you are so totally fierce against the guy whose clearly one of his favourites ( we have a large choice of midfielders if he werent) and one of the first 4 on every one of his team sheets?

[peterc]

dont worry petec ive been here a while so people like Shuggie cant say that to me, infact he?? is only a junior spur compared to me so maybe he should shut up and climb back into his? cot.

yes its a forum so get used to the fact that not everyone thinks Jenas or Defoe are useless , we dont all like the same type of players and we dont all expect an average midfielder to perform like a world class one, when questions are asked you JJ haters dont/cant answer them , still waiting for examples of where JJ has directly cost us games, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
where has he won us games, none that i can think of but then hes not that sort of midfielder and i cant think of many games where any one of our midfield has had a singularly huge influence on things.
they probably failed to notice while you were were watching that most of the second half JJ was covering as Chimbo, Zokora, King, Mal, Lennon ,Tainio to a lesser extent all went forwards. many times as Seville broke who was there to break it up or slow it up?? see thats football, thats what some midfielders do, theyre not glory seekers they do the neccesary but inglorious grafting.

so to those who say drop, sell etc etc JJ, and Jol keeps picking him every game and he keeps him on dead ball duties, how do you back the manager when you are so totally fierce against the guy whose clearly one of his favourites ( we have a large choice of midfielders if he werent) and one of the first 4 on every one of his team sheets?
Mjbmedia, Thanks for your support, people like Shuggie might think that they are the "dogs bollocks", however, it seems to me that he thinks that he has more knowledge than our MJ, surprised how he has not applied for his job yet??, you never know, he might be our next manager, it's so hypocritical when one slags off JJ and other players but then say that MJ is the best manager we have had for a long time. If the manager is that great, surely he knows who to pick and why he should pick such players. Spur also seems to think that JJ is useless. Quite a few of us slagged of Kanoute when he left saying that he was lazy, this and that, but he is still scoring goals, Rasiak another example, he was not given a chance to settle, he has not stopped scoring for Southampton. If a manager had to listen to supporters opinions, turnover of players will be at least 90% annually, a player has a few off days on the field and it's get rid of him, I know that many fans are frustrated due to the long wait for success, however, we do not have An Abromovich to pump in millions of pounds to purchase the best players in Europe. I agree with you that there are quite a few inglorious so called Spurs supporters who are ready to jump on the slightest error a player or manager does, they seem to forget that they are human too.

[Shuggie13]

mate its cos theyre (mainly) a bunch of plonkers who say they support spurs but appear to only like the players that huff and puff, look busy and energetic

If this then is not a description of Jenas, how did he manage all of this......


they probably failed to notice while you were were watching that most of the second half JJ was covering as Chimbo, Zokora, King, Mal, Lennon ,Tainio to a lesser extent all went forwards. many times as Seville broke who was there to break it up or slow it up?? see thats football, thats what some midfielders do, theyre not glory seekers they do the neccesary but inglorious grafting.

I'm getting confused now. Is Jenas a creative, attacking midfielder or a defensive, holding midfielder? The argument could be that he is an all-rounder in the shape of Gerrard. I'm still concerned that he is failing to excel in any of the categories.

I do agree that glory seekers would always shoot from 40 yards out with 10 minutes to go instead of the inglorious, sensible, thing to do
and get the ball into the box where the rest of the team are.

[Spur]

I'm getting confused now. Is Jenas a creative, attacking midfielder or a defensive, holding midfielder?

Well he's supposed to do the attacking. He doesn't.

Neither does he do the holding.

I'm confused as to what he does on the football pitch, and i've spent so long watching just him that it bores me. I just can't see how some people can't see it. It's unreal how shocking he is.

Zokora is our holding midfielder, and yet our holding player has had more shots than our attacking player...explain that.

[Shuggie13]

Well he's supposed to do the attacking. He doesn't.

Neither does he do the holding.

I'm confused as to what he does on the football pitch, and i've spent so long watching just him that it bores me. I just can't see how some people can't see it. It's unreal how shocking he is.

Zokora is our holding midfielder, and yet our holding player has had more shots than our attacking player...explain that.

The confusion was tongue-in-cheek, peterc and mjmedia the jenas defenders can't seem to define his role.

I think Zokora has more shot than the attacking Jenas because Jenas is covering all the holes left by the attacking players apparently. In fact he is so quick at it, and covering so much of the pitch the average human eye doesn't pick up on it.

[peterc]

The confusion was tongue-in-cheek, peterc and mjmedia the jenas defenders can't seem to define his role.

I think Zokora has more shot than the attacking Jenas because Jenas is covering all the holes left by the attacking players apparently. In fact he is so quick at it, and covering so much of the pitch the average human eye doesn't pick up on it.

Lets have your expert comments Mr know it all. Suppose you will say that Jenas had a lucky day, JJ has now proven his critics wrong and he has shown what he can offer to the team.

[Spur]

Lets have your expert comments Mr know it all. Suppose you will say that Jenas had a lucky day, JJ has now proven his critics wrong and he has shown what he can offer to the team.

You don't prove critics wrong over 90 minutes. It's down to him now to start playing like that week in week out, which like I said on the other thread -according to you he already does it. He's shown what he can offer the team when he plays well and he did play well. It was easily his best performance in our colours. Mainly because practically every other game he's done shit.

[peterc]

You don't prove critics wrong over 90 minutes. It's down to him now to start playing like that week in week out, which like I said on the other thread -according to you he already does it. He's shown what he can offer the team when he plays well and he did play well. It was easily his best performance in our colours. Mainly because practically every other game he's done shit.

As I said in my previous thread, I suggest you go and sulk in you little corner because Jj has proven that he is not useless, your own words not mine, so best to shut up and move on.