Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Reading

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[\jackdaw]

The 5th of the 5 games I thought we would win and lift usup the league. This is still a must win game as Reading are only 1 point behind us in the league.

Bolton at home to Sheff Utd which they *should* win but Everton away to Aston Villa which wont be an easy game for them.

If we win this .. which I fully expect the mighty Spurs to do .. it should lift us to 6th, if Everton fail to win.

The away game earlier in the season I thought was going to be hard for us and it turned out that way but with our form at the moment and at home 3 points will be ours.. 8)

[Gregzy]

Reading are a tidy little side and I think Sidwell will ask a couple of questions of our defence. However, I'm pretty certain that we'll have answers to most of them. I don't think they'll be quite so quick to repsond to any posers Berbatov, Keane and Lennon may have.

In terms of entertainment, I can see this one being a bargain at category c - whilst I think we'll come away with three points I can't see us keeping the elusive clean sheet.

[SurreySpur]

I can see us winning this one quite comfortably, I dont think they'll be able to handle Lennon and Berbatov and i think we'll win this one 3-1.

Is robbie keane back from his suspension?

[highlander]

Readings season is starting to tail off and faulter. if we win this then i think Reading will be out of the race for 6th, especially as they have Liverpool next and still have to visit Bolton. i expect us to win this game fairly comfortably by 2 goals with Berbatov to get on the scoresheet

[Shuggie13]

The cup replay against Man U showed recently what Reading are like at the moment when teams go at them. We will bundoubtedly go right at them from the start and think they will crumble.

[singapore spur]

think its gonna be a very tight game , when we get ahead we really must not take our foot of the pedal , cos they keep going to the end .
2-1 spurs

[Gino Ginelli]

Aah... back to good old proper football after the bollocks that is international football. Time to pick ourselves back up, stop feeling sorry for ourselves and put the whole Chelsea thing behind us. Doesn't mean anything now and it's a relieved us of extra fixtures and stress.

We should be able to loosen up, enjoy our football and get a couple of goals past Reading. I anticipate Berbatov to ghost past players like the spring breeze and grab them both.

Really looking forward to this one. COYS!

[Welsh Spur]

We need a clean sheet. Pronto. I'd love a 2-0 win but my head says 2 or 3-1, simply coz we just can't keep a spherical piece of leather out of our net for 90 mins.

[Spur]

A repeat of the Charlton score here. Reading, like Pompey and Everton (possibly Bolton too) will continually drop more points than they should during the run in.

[hastingsyid]

Should be a good game this one but we will beat them 3-1

[yido4life]

3-0 i say,berbs hat trick.

[spurs61]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this will be tight affair, Reading are just the sort of side which gives us trouble and they'll be looking to arrest their slide down the table. I'm going for either 2-1 to us or 2-2 depending on luck and motivation.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I have been remiss in not posting my predicathon stuff, so here goes;

Spurs 3 Reading 2 - a thrilling game featuring some of the most incompetent defending this side of the Nationwide Conference, Reading take the lead via Doyle with Spurs pulling it back on 37 mins with a cracker from err Chimbonda, Reading nick a goal from a dubious corner via some big centrehalf or other. Spurs come out all guns blazing in 2nd half, Berba picks up Sonko puts him in his backpocket and bemuses the rest of the Reading side by scoring twice in seven minutes on the 59 minute mark, Sonko is next seen lying on the touchline gibbering on about "the Bulgarian monster with the baby face". Attendance; 33,456, weather; sunny with intermitent hurricanes interspersed with raining frogs.

[Gino Ginelli]

You forgot to mention the quality of the Pies...

[MiloMinderbinder]

You forgot to mention the quality of the Pies...

ahah, stop right there, now you're underlining the last time you went to the Lane, we don't do pies, we have a lovely line in bagels, gefilte fish and salt beef though.

Pies at footy are for Northerners, Mido or Lampard.

;) :p

[\jackdaw]

ahah, stop right there, now you're underlining the last time you went to the Lane, we don't do pies, we have a lovely line in bagels, gefilte fish and salt beef though.

Pies at footy are for Northerners, Mido or Lampard.

;) :p

Dont forget the Prawn Sarnies !!

[spurs_craig]

Pies at footy are for Northerners, Mido or Lampard.

;) :p


can i nominate this for the funniest post of the year..lol


3-1 spurs

[ilovekeano]

I think a win for us with keano, berby and Mido scoring

[Gino Ginelli]

ahah, stop right there, now you're underlining the last time you went to the Lane, we don't do pies, we have a lovely line in bagels, gefilte fish and salt beef though.

Pies at footy are for Northerners, Mido or Lampard.

;) :p

What, not even any sausage rolls?!

[berbzy 'G']

I'm waiting for berbatov to get a hat-trick

[sundancer]

Its a game we have to win if we want to get in the top six, Reading will be looking to get back to winning ways but I think we will win 2-1.

[gazzaG8]

3-0 Spurs Berba, Keano & Lennon

[berbzy 'G']

3 0 or 3 1, Berbatov to get a hat-trick, reading aint actually bad away, they got a 1 1 dwar at man u???

[suBerb]

Berba will get a hat-trick till the end of the season but not against Reading. I expect Berba to be on fire from the home leg against Sevilla onward. The last month of the season will be the best for him in a Spurs shirt.

[hastingsyid]

we have to win this and get closer to the ****ing filth

[highlander]

Dont forget the Prawn Sarnies !!

or the lasagna....................ooops

[SurreySpur]

Spurs: Robinson, Chimbonda, Dawson, Rocha, YP Lee, Lennon, Jenas, Zokora, Malbranque, Berbatov, Keane. Subs: Cerny, Stalteri, Defoe, Huddlestone, Taarabt

[highlander]

Reading line up with:

Hahnemann, Halford, Duberry, Ingimarsson, Shorey, Little, Harper, Sidwell, Hunt, Lita, Kitson

[\jackdaw]

Same team that lost to Chelsea in the cup, should be more then enough for Reading .


Famous last words .....

[highlander]

excellent start, good have had 2 in the first 5mins

[SurreySpur]

How is this game still 0-0??

[\jackdaw]

Still 0-0 .. Spurs have had their chances but Readings have been a bit more clear cut.

We have the edge and should be ok.

[highlander]

penalty to the spurs Keano to step up

[highlander]

and its 1-0, top stuff

[\jackdaw]

Keano pen .. 1-0

[\jackdaw]

1 - 0 at half time and we should of had more. The defence to me is still looking rocky, Lee looks good on the wing till he has to cross it and Rocha is no Ledders.
If Reading get a goal I can see it being a mistake from these 2.

Reading had 2 great chances to score in the first half and how they didnt **** knows.

In saying that we look bloody good going forward, its just the final touch for the goal that seems to be letting us down today.

If we carry on like this and the score stays 1 - 0 then its 3 more points and I will be a happy old man.

[Spur]

How can the commentators be saying it shouldn't have been a penalty? Halford basically cradled the ball in his arm as Keane was in control!

How is it only one nil? How haven't we scored 3 already?

Rocha looks quite unsettled to me, always drifting away from the line, not seeming to be marking his man correctly...looks like he may need some more time, could be a risk playing him.

Whats up with Jenas? He does one good thing like a 30 yard pass then can't get the ball to the man right next to him? And why didn't he just stick his foot through that chance? It's a tough one to call, did he do the right thing in trying to knock it on? I'm not sure, I think he should have just stuck his foot through it and hoped for the best.

Keane missing that sitter first couple of minutes too. Don't think Steed's would have made it in the near post if it the right side, still we woulda had a corner out of it, great start by the Spurs. Overall, i'm very disappointed it's not a bigger margin we are winning by, but Reading have created their own chances, they are still a major threat.

[ilovekeano]

I want keano's babies!!! but you knew that already

[shakey18]

Get out Jenus-lazy!!

[\jackdaw]

I want keano's babies!!! but you knew that already

My middle names Keano does that count? ... :p

[shakey18]

We need a second-unlucky Steed!! COYS

[ilovekeano]

Agreed we need a second, berby is firing but the ball aint going in!!

****face is on the pitch

[ilovekeano]

My middle names Keano does that count? ... :p

Is you irish? ;)

[ilovekeano]

STeeeeddddddddddddddddddddddd off and THudd on

[ilovekeano]

Getting the shots in yet no goal *humphs*

[SurreySpur]

How did defoe miss that??

[ilovekeano]

I dunno, idioticity is defoe

[\jackdaw]

We have had 20 odd shots this game .. an incredable amout for a premiership match but only one goal to show for it.

Berby isnt on fire today and Defoes goal shouldnt of been flagged offside.

[ilovekeano]

neither should Jenas' one

[hastingsyid]

thank **** for that

[ilovekeano]

Agreed, the full time whistle couldn't come quick enough for me

[SurreySpur]

neither should Jenas' one

Jenas was well offside for his disallowed goal. We were so wasteful today, we cant afford to be so wasteful against seville.

[Spur]

thank **** for that

I second that HY, I was absolutely shitting it for the last...hmmm...45 minutes? Something like that.

Jermain just sealed his fate. On the bench for the rest of the season and part-exchanged at the end of it. And with finishing like that, who will ever want him? Off to Newcastle for Jermain it is then.

[\jackdaw]

Entertaining game for the neutral but frustrating for us. At last a clean sheet in the league for the first time since Ledders was injured.

Defence still looked shakey to me and Berbs had an off day.

We need to defend better and take our chances against Seville or it could be mare in Spain.

[hastingsyid]

yes good game but ****ing hell me old ticker wont take much more of that

[Ginola's Son]

People are having a go at Defoe, Keane also missed some glaring opportunites.

Reading are a very tough side and we've done brilliant to get 3 points. We looked shaky at the back, but held firm, and thats the main thing.

Well done boys.

[AssaTM]

I'd rather the lads had a bit of an off day today, Keane, Berbatov, Defoe and the Defence etc, and still win, rather than having an off day against Sevilla on thursday, we created plenty of great chances that i'm confident we'd put away in 90/95% of the games we'll play all Season, but well done Spurs anyway, the lads thought well and we did dominate them fairly easilly in the end, Reading had a max of 3 shots I believe, or maybe 4 :p

[ilovekeano]

Keano didn't have a clear one on one like Defoe did!

[\jackdaw]

Keano didn't have a clear one on one like Defoe did!

Umm .. yes he did in the first half after about 10 mins ..

[Spur]

Umm .. yes he did in the first half after about 10 mins ..

Yes but there was still a little bit he had to do wasn't there? I had a go at Keane aas well, but Defoe's was ten times worse. When your standing un-threatened 9 yards from goal. Robbo's reaction said it all. That was my reaction as well.

[\jackdaw]

Aye he had more to do and Defoe's was shocking .. lets hope its all out of their system now and they are all back on form Thursday.

[Shuggie13]

Just got back from the pub after watching the match. I'll take that as a decent warm-up game for Sevilla.

I got to be honest here of all the teams that we've played this season Reading has really impressed me. Amazing what a team spirit can be like when there are no big egos and big signings involved. They are a consistently decent side this season and although in the second half they wilted a little I thoroughly enjoyed the match. After a few weeks break we came out winning and with a clean sheet. I've also come to the conclusion Jenas is a complete luxury player, and one whose moments of brilliance are far and few between. We can't have a luxury centre midfielder.

[ilovekeano]

Yes but there was still a little bit he had to do wasn't there? I had a go at Keane as well, but Defoe's was ten times worse. When your standing un-threatened 9 yards from goal. Robbo's reaction said it all. That was my reaction as well.

Agreed! Defoe SHOULD have had that ball in that net, but he wanted to be a smart ass!

[Chewy]

Jenas got man of the match. I can't understand how.

[Shuggie13]

Jenas got man of the match. I can't understand how.

Because he made two crunching tackles, two incisive runs and two killer passes. He even flatters to deceive even the alleged experts. I'm a Jenas supporter but he frustrates the hell out of me. I wish he could impose himself on matches. The last 20 minutes I barely noticed him ont he pitch.

[\jackdaw]

I thought Steed had a good game and was our best player.

[Shuggie13]

I thought Steed had a good game and was our best player.

I'd go for Steed or Zokora.

[mjbmedia]

He even flatters to deceive even the alleged experts. . I wish he could impose himself on matches. .
just using your words , not having a personal go at all.

could it be the alleged experts actually know more about the game than supporters, after all they did/do play, coach, train, manage etc in it .

see people notice the errors made by certain individuals more than by certain other individuals , experts just see the whole thing , they know theres gonna be errors in a 90 minute game ,every one of our players gives the ball away more than three times a game or miss chances to score yet only certain ones are vilified for it (maybe too strong a word) .

having said all that, i totally agree with your last sentence, hes capable just seems a belief or confidence thing, but then impose himself on a game, is that like what Zokora did would you say? or more like Ronaldo does ?? see some will say that Makelele imposes himself on many games but others hardly notice him.

you got Mal and Aaron , the two speed merchants catch the eye with the runs and dribbling but who was passing it to them more often than not? Lee or JJ two unsung players but id say Lee certainly imposed himself on that game today , played a huge part in our success and ditto JJ .
its a funny old game

[mjbmedia]

Keano didn't have a clear one on one like Defoe did!
Umm .. yes he did in the first half after about 10 mins ..

selective memory huh???? nothing to do with the name and any bias of course :rolleyes: :p

[Spur]

Jenas got man of the match. I can't understand how.

He had a decent second half by his standards, but man of the match? No chance. Steed yet another great game, run himself into the ground yet again.

Lee was quality, what he was doing up the pitch setting up JD, I wanted him to go it alone! Chimbonda again, other than that no-one stood out from a Spurs point of view, certainly not Jenas who made me put my head in my hands more than making me applaud him. But then that it seems typifies Jermaine Jenas, he'll make you cheer once then cry with anger twice as much.

How long have I said that for...

[ilovekeano]

I thought Steed was more in the game than Jenas AND Defoe had an open goal, robbie didn't have a clean a strike as what Defoe did, the goal was open for JD!!

[Ginola's Son]

Jenas getting MOTM is shocking. There were loads better then him. Zokora was brilliant in defence and going forward, Gray nearly came at one of his blocks. Steed had so many cool efforts, should have had a goal for sure. But I think Dawson was excellent, ensuring the clean sheet.

[proto]

this is the first match in months and months i've not been able to watch, stream, listen to on radio or even just follow on a text feed (bloody work :( )

sounds like it was a bit tense :rolleyes:

but great to hear your opinions

[Gino Ginelli]

Aargh. I just wrote a big long review of the game and when I posted it, it went all tits up and I lost it. Well I can't be arse to write it all out again so I'll sum up...

Robbo, Chimbo, Dawson, Rocha and Lee especially... terrific. Zokora and Malbraunqe... great. Lennon... handy on the ball but dithered too much and wasted opportunities to play a killer ball or shoot. Keano / Berba / Defoe all showed flashes of ace'ness, got in to terrific positions, but... well, I don't know what's going on but they must be missing that donkeys arse with a ****ing Double Bass never mind the banjo, cos they couldn't shoot for shit. Better shape up for Thursday boys.

Anyway, I must reserve special mention for the esteemed man of the match... WTF?!! In recent weeks I thought he might have been getting his act together and starting to play positive, but I'm sorry, I've returned to my old estimation. He's ****ing useless. I don't care if he grabs the odd goal, any good midfielder should. Be he contributes **** all to the team, I'm sorry but he doesn't. He never plays a positive ball, his pace is never employed, and when given a gilt edged opportunity he ****s it up each and every time. He's shit, get him out and bring Steed inside. Can't wait for Tainio or Ghaly to return and show him how a midfielder should play.

Anyway, sorry Jenas lovers but that's it. 6th place, UEFA q/f. Looking good lads. Just get your shooting boots on next time please.

[suBerb]

Wasn't Berba a man of the match? ;) :p As I predicted, he wasn't on fire. He was hugely disappointed by the draw against Albania last week and this reflected on his form. Before turning 25 he scored 31 goals at international level. If I'm not mistaken, no other striker in the history of European football bar Ferenz Puskas scored more than 30 international goals at the age of 24. (I'm not that certain even about Puskas, so this may be a record of all times.) Since then however (the autumn of 2005), Berba cannot score in a competitive game which seems to depress him because many fans and journalists expect much more from him. I think he'll be on fire again in the second game against Sevilla.

[Ginola's Son]

Gino - I wouldn't be THAT harsh on Jenas, he is a talented guy, just a lot of time, we don't see it. He is committed to the club though, that's why I like him. He has to realise the importance of these games and raise it a bit.

[Gino Ginelli]

He has to realise the importance of these games and raise it a bit.

Yeah but he won't... cos he's a plank.

I'll say this for him though. He comes across as a bright, articulate lad in interviews, far more than you're average footballer. Intelligence being directly inversley proportinate to footballing ability? Think there's something in that.

But anyway, there's far and away better than him in this league. Surely we can do better?

[SurreySpur]

Jenas seems happy to play in the comfort zone, i think thats what pisses me off the most. He seems to lack the drive and determination to raise his game to the next level that all the TOP players have, i.e Gerrard. He has the potential but lacks the mentality to realise it.

[olly27]

for me Lee possibly had his best game in a spurs shirt..he was excellent..chimbonda put in another good performance (possibly our most consistent performer)..I like Jenas..but his inconsistency is really starting to bother me now!..no way was he man of the match yesterday..zokora, lee,dawson and chimbonda were all well ahead for that accolade yesterday...as to was malbranque..

[Spur]

I think you can't really call Jenas inconsistent because he has never had any decent form for us. Surely to be called inconsistent you need to play well occasionally?

Hope your right about Berba suBerb, although i'd love him to stick a couple in away from home too!

[olly27]

well he couldn't be completely hopless as Jol would be completely ridiculed for picking him on a regular basis! I am saying he produces decent form in patches within games - then ghosts out of them..as people have already stated - he needs to impose himself more on games...

[Ginola's Son]

Gotta say, Zokora has totally grown on me now. He's been stunning in the last few games, fearless defending, bursting forward. He excites me and is an auto-starter for me.

As for Lee, he took his starting place for granted last season, this year, with the average BAE in the team, he's upped his game, and grown physcially stronger, he still tries to do one step over too many at times, and his crossing isnt the best, but his link up play with either Lennon or Malbranque has been ace of late, long may it continue

[Welsh Spur]

Gotta say, Zokora has totally grown on me now. He's been stunning in the last few games, fearless defending, bursting forward. He excites me and is an auto-starter for me.


I always said he'd come good. He is now beginning to look like an £8m player.

[Ginola's Son]

He just needs to bang one in from 40 yards. That'll come

[SurreySpur]

I always said he'd come good. He is now beginning to look like an £8m player.

That weird kung-fu style block on the edge of the box yesterday was class, he is starting to look very impresive.

[spursmadnick06]

Not only will Jenas finish top scoring midfielder again this season for us, but his set pieces are by far the best of any of our players.

I understand he needs to impose himself more on games but he's certainly not useless.

[Ginola's Son]

but his set pieces are by far the best of any of our players.


Amusing.

Row z enjoyed them, I'll give you that.

[Spur]

but his set pieces are by far the best of any of our players.

Whatever your smoking i'll have some.

This is a different Jenas you must be talking about. The one that plays for Spurs is shocking at dead ball situations.

(Yes i'm leaving it upto someone else to say "just dead ball situations Spur?")

[SurreySpur]

Whatever your smoking i'll have some.

This is a different Jenas you must be talking about. The one that plays for Spurs is shocking at dead ball situations.

(Yes i'm leaving it upto someone else to say "just dead ball situations Spur?")


Agreed, Jenas' deliveries are awful

[RuFuS]

As for Lee, he took his starting place for granted last season, this year, with the average BAE in the team, he's upped his game, and grown physcially stronger, he still tries to do one step over too many at times, and his crossing isnt the best


He is getting better but his biggest problem is that he has to cut inside all the time as he cant cross with his left foot and defenders know this and just have to delay him till he does cut inside by which time the momentum has gone.

[mjbmedia]

Not only will Jenas finish top scoring midfielder again this season for us, but his set pieces are by far the best of any of our players.

I understand he needs to impose himself more on games but he's certainly not useless.
dont bother mate, this is becoming a forum for those who think they know more than experts involved heavily in the game, they just pick endlessly on one or two players who do no worse than many others in the team but cos they may not run everywhere at 100mph or looked concerned if they mess up they mistake it for attitude and lack of commitment.

fact is when Aaron, Mal and Zokora run forwards , has someone not gotta stay back to cover? its called discipline and it shows great attitude and complete commitment, maybe in a more negative way,a less noticeable way ,which is going to be overlooked by a lot of observers, o except those that know and understand and were /are involved in the game.

JD in the 15 odd minutes he was on looked far more lively and likely to score than Berbs or Keane did in 90 / 75 odd minutes they were on the pitch. ok Keane did score when the ball was stationary, but cos JD missed what he'd normally bury he's rubbished . if the other two had done their jobs he wouldnt have 'HAD' to come on, im sure he would have come on but as a run out rather than a neccessity

must be something to do with an unpopular first name of Jermaine perhaps :confused:
perhaps it means 'laid back'

[Spur]

Fact is it's mistakes that determine games. A player that makes 2 mistakes is going to be criticised more than a player that makes one mistake. That's life in general. Why do you think Jenas is picked on? Coz he makes the same mistakes over and over. Simple really.

Had JD missed that sitter, which I was already up and on my feet celebrating by the way, and Reading gone down the other end and scored would you be so philosophical MJB? I'm thinking no. For instance Stalteri last season. You keep bringing up his mistake against Sunderland, Defoe's could have been just as bad.

Jermain Defoe is constantly bitchin' about getting a run in the team and putting the ball in the net but when he gets his chance from 9 yards out what does he do? He blasts it over Row Z stylee. He deserves to get criticised and I hope 2moro morning at training he has to stand 9 yards out from goal learning how to put it away a hundred times over.

Your middle paragraph MJB bemuses me, I don't know why you've said it.

[mjbmedia]

haha i knew youd respond matey

the middle paragraph is most likely one of the reasons these experts give man of match awards to players that many on here berate and would have dropped, yet MJ plays for 90 minutes every game he is fit . now what do those experts opinions and MJs picking him tell you about yours and others points of views about JJ. cos he doesnt do the eyecatching exciting stuff you dont notice or maybe appreciate the more mundane things he does, ie making up for other peoples mistakes, of course he ****s up too and its a shame when he does but no more or less than when Keane, Berbs,Lennon, Defoe, Mal , Zokora, everyone **** up.

re the mistakes well ,when a lot of our play goes thru JJ of course someone who is more involved in the game is gonna have more chances to make mistakes than someone not so involved. Carrick gave the ball away tonnes last season, why cos he had the ball tonnes last season, ditto to JJ this season. His corners do leave a lot to be desired in the last few months tho and thats poo.

yeh i go on about not beating sunderland and that costing us,same as not beating Watford away may cost us, i dont see me going on specifically about Stalteris part in that, tho i dont care if you prove me wrong cos Stalteri isnt an automatic starter for MJ and he doesnt get man of the match awards from experts!!!!!!!

re JD yeh i was celebrating too and was a bit shocked when the net didnt ripple, same as JD was, but if, IF Reading had gone down the other end and scored, that would have been the whole teams fault ,not JDs. still as with Anfield and JJ missing that sitter you would blame Jermaine for the conceding of a goal, rather than the uselessness of the majority of the rest of the team to stop an attack.

anyway im off to bed , beauty sleep and all that. laters, dont have nightmares as Nick Ross would say.

[Spur]

There's not much I can say to that which will come across as anything new from my fingertips. I just genuinely don't see him - when i'm at a game or on TV - do anything worthwhile at all.

Almost every ball is a lazy one, people say he has the legs but he doesn't use them when i'm watching apparently, only in fits and spurts. His delivery is appaling, so is Lennon's - I mention Lennon becuase I don't want to seem biased toward anyone whatsoever, with Jenas I berate him for a reason...he's genuinely rubbish.

People mention his tackling. He does put his foot in oocasionally, but 1. not enough and 2. I will never forget against Slavia Prague away from home (a pretty good game by his standards actually) when he went into a slide tackle and managed to miss the ball conpletely but slide through his opponents legs!!!

Rarely will he take on a man, he won't shoot when he gets the chance, and usually by not doing so **** up the move and lose the ball. He ball watches soooo much, and he gives the ball away in his own half and the oppositions far more than the average for a blind person.

Others in our shirt aren't as bad as him by a long shot. Can we do better? Of course we can. Is he worth the reported 7-9million we paid for him, of course not. He's an England international, but he plays like he'd struggled to hold down a first team spot for San Marino.

I know, I know, broken record, always going on about it. But I just want someone to say Spur, your wrong. Here's why, here's the proof. Let me ask you now, anyone, I want you to name a game when Jermaine Jenas has really stood out and really run it, had an absolute blinder, Brazil potential, the type of game when this player is the best in the world, because everyone in team has had them IMO, apart from him.

And that includes Anthony Gardner.

[mjbmedia]

see so you wont forget an error he made (comical maybe it was) if you remember the negatives then theres a fair chance thats all youll notice. youve pretty much judged him before the kick off so unless he has an absolute blinder in your opinion youre reaction to him will be negative. what he does well will be what you expect of him anyway, and what he does poorly will be more ammo for you, he cant win, tho it doesnt seem to bother him much:p

but hats off to you for being consistent and pleasant in our discussions, always a pleasure mate.

id love him to play better of course, and run the show but with our team/squad there shouldnt be any need for anyone to do that hence why we did (maybe still do) have the highest number of different scorers this season and JJ is still the midfield highest scorer despite missing many games.

next game try starting off unbiased , you might like him :D :p ;) only joking mate.

[spursmadnick06]

JJ is our highest scoring midfielder again and he's been named man of the match on more than a few occasions this season. How can you say he hasn't had one standout peformance yet this season but state that the likes of Gardener have?

Fact is, fans love a scapegoat, and Jenas is definitley the new goat.

[Spur]

JJ is our highest scoring midfielder again and he's been named man of the match on more than a few occasions this season. How can you say he hasn't had one standout peformance yet this season but state that the likes of Gardener have?

Fact is, fans love a scapegoat, and Jenas is definitley the new goat.

Would you like to explain what he is the scapegoat for over the past 2 and a half seasons?

[jrio]

I can only think that in many ways JJ reminds me of Mark Falco. Won't deliver against top sides but always looks good when the team are dominating. Really want him to succeed because he has a lot of ability and seems a great kid but a lot of what Spur says is true. Just seems like Gerrard's younger brother who would be outstanding playing a few divisions down. I thought he played well on Sunday but clearly Mal was MOM.