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wayne wonder

6th February 2007, 09:24 AM

I cant believe its got to the stage where we all think we're gonna lose to sheff utd:(

They'll play with passion and guts probably no skill but they'll hammer us 2 or 3 i reckon we aint got the minerals at all

Big club my arse we're mediocre at best!!! the sooner we realise we aint still in the glory days the better oh what i'd give to have ledders back.

I say we play some of the lads in reserve like barcham etc we need something fresh and those kids wont have no fear.

Ginola's Son

6th February 2007, 10:53 AM

I've not considered us a big club. Ever in my life to be honest. We were very big in the early 80's. Not so since then.

wayne wonder

6th February 2007, 11:34 AM

I've not considered us a big club. Ever in my life to be honest. We were very big in the early 80's. Not so since then.

we think we're a big club because we're based in london:(

olly27

6th February 2007, 11:36 AM

if we can match them for workrate and endeavour..our quality should prevail...if we can match them in the middle of the park and win our fair share of 50/50's and 2nd balls..we should see enough of the ball to cause them problems...who we pick in midfield is crucial..we need to battle and show as much fight as they do..I honestly think we will win this one IF we turn up and really want it...i know its risky..but would be tempted to start tainio and jenas in the middle of the park..:cool:

Welsh Spur

6th February 2007, 11:46 AM

I know we're in dire straights at the moment but **** lads come on, have some bloody faith!!!

They were completely rubbish at the lane at the start of the season, couldn't handle us at all, our lads will do well to remember that and take the game to them, like some one pointed out, no skill, just guts is what they have, so let's match their guts and utilise our skill and see them off, this one is a must win and the players know it, at the moment I'll take a draw but I think we will nick it, 3-1 to the Spurs, Berbatov to finally perform away and grab a brace. The other will be scored by Jenas.

suBerb

6th February 2007, 11:53 AM

I'd like to remind you of a prediction I posted here after the start of the season. A fan who predicted before the last season that we will finish 5th, said for this season that we will finish 11th AND win a cup c/o Berbatov. If his prediction turns out to be right, I'll find it pretty amazing.

Given our current standing in the league, his prediction does not seem to me bad at all. To win either the FA or the UEFA cup would be great.

Gino Ginelli

6th February 2007, 12:11 PM

Sorry state of affairs indeed when you don't have enough faith that you're team can get a result at Sheff Utd.

I genuinely believe that our midfield is so shit right now, whatever the reason for it, that we simply don't have what it takes to battle a victory out.

Eject Jenas, Zokora, Ghaly & Murphy. Play Steed as AM, get in a flying LW, a tenacious LB, and a rock hard workhorse for DM. Hudd needs some development yet.

Oh and I think I'm starting to swing in the suspicions that Jol may need some help. Something is behind the rot in resolve and drive here, and unfortunatley you have to look to the motivation of the coaching staff. We need a boost from somewhere.

Spur

6th February 2007, 01:21 PM

I really, really hope Riccy plays.

jrio

6th February 2007, 01:34 PM

Gardner copes very poorly with physically strong strikers like Hulse so it would be advisable.

RuFuS

6th February 2007, 07:43 PM

Hoping for a bye. Byes are the way to go from now on. that way we won't have to play any football.

LMFAO :)

Maybe we could have the Spurs away goals rule if we do have to play :o

RuFuS

6th February 2007, 07:47 PM

I've not considered us a big club.

So who are the 'Big Clubs' ?

This'll be interesting:eek:

highlander

6th February 2007, 07:56 PM

although it sounds like i wasnt being serious in my post on page 1 i do actually have a feeling we'll win this one. Berba's quality will shine through and we'll get all 3 points.

a lot of people are predicting defeats, well where are there goals gona come from , look at who they have up top - the average championship striker Rob Hulse, Christian 'peadophilic touch' Nade, Luton Shelton and the oh so prolific John Stead

jrio

6th February 2007, 09:38 PM

a lot of people are predicting defeats, well where are there goals gona come from , look at who they have up top - the average championship striker Rob Hulse, Christian 'peadophilic touch' Nade, Luton Shelton and the oh so prolific John Stead
Except Stead's scored 2 in 2 since joining them. Against Gardner I wouldn't be surprised to see Hulse score or create one.

6th February 2007, 10:35 PM

Victory!

3-1 written all over it.

;)

jrio

6th February 2007, 10:51 PM

AssaTM

6th February 2007, 10:58 PM

Sorry but some of you guys really arent supporters :p, you support your team through thick and thin, you guys just give up when things get really tough, too bad guys, too bad

RuFuS

6th February 2007, 10:59 PM

William Hill, Paddy Power, Joe Coral...ye will all tremble when KingKeane is brought forth on Friday!

what happens if he comes fifth ? :D

Spur

6th February 2007, 11:00 PM

Sorry but some of you guys really arent supporters :p, you support your team through thick and thin, you guys just give up when things get really tough, too bad guys, too bad

Depends what your definition of support is?

Yours seems to 'expect the win even when against the odds'. I've been brought up to be a realist, i'm not one for blind optimism.

RuFuS

6th February 2007, 11:04 PM

Sorry but some of you guys really arent supporters you support your team through thick and thin, you guys just give up when things get really tough, too bad guys, too bad

This is nearly below contempt. :eek:
So it's alright for the £???k a week players to give up good football for crap football and then to add insult to injury,they just give up trying at all.

GET REAL :mad:

AssaTM

6th February 2007, 11:06 PM

Depends what your definition of support is?

Yours seems to 'expect the win even when against the odds'. I've been brought up to be a realist, i'm not one for blind optimism.

Not at all, but by you guys reckoning we'll be the next leeds and be in the championship soon, dont be silly, EVERY team has slumps

fluke

6th February 2007, 11:21 PM

Sorry but some of you guys really arent supporters :p, you support your team through thick and thin, you guys just give up when things get really tough, too bad guys, too bad

I've been following Spurs for 38 years. If I was to give up on them it would have been years ago. standing on the Paxton freezing my nuts off watching them get stuffed every week by giants such as Bristol City and West Brom. Finally getting relegated.

What is frustrating about the modern Spurs are the glimpses we see of greatness, the flair of the Lennons and the Berbatovs that make me think we're so close. These moments are often followed by dissapointment of varying ridiculousness. Always being told we are a player or two and a lasagna away from being a contender. After 38 years you can smell the bullshit a mile off. The holes are all over the place that tell us we're so far from being top drawer. Will I start taking the district line and wearing blue? not a chance, but you can't blame people for being angry, frustrated and even bemused after so much promise yet resulting mediocrity.

spurs61

6th February 2007, 11:47 PM

Depends what your definition of support is?

Yours seems to 'expect the win even when against the odds'. I've been brought up to be a realist, i'm not one for blind optimism.
Well said Spur me old china. :)

And eloquently put fluke, my sentiments exactly. I was gonna make exactly the same point but 38 years beats 20 by almost two decades!

AssaTM

7th February 2007, 01:14 AM

fluke

7th February 2007, 01:42 AM

Look at Utd a few years ago, a team that should be Champions were sitting in 3rd place and playing nothing like Utd "should" I'm confident that this team will improve, but I know for sure we wont be a top4 team until we get a good leftback/left winger, THOSE are must buy signings/positions, martin petrov in the summer would be great, and you would see so much flair from the side, so much more balance, none of the constant one on ones down the left wing, or the narrowness when we attack down the left, Petrov on the left, Lennon on the right, Hudd and Jenas in the middle sounds pretty good to me, then Heinze at left back, King, Dawson, then Chimbonda, and Defoe and Berbatov up front, sorry to ramble on but although this season looks bleak, at least the League table does anyway, just look into the future and see the potential of this team that WILL be fulfilled, and it will be by Jol ;)

Your right with everyting you say, only your assuming the better players in the squad are as patient as you are. By this I mean are Lennon and Berbatov going to stay put if Chelsea or United come in for them as they did with Carrick? So when we do eventually find our proverbial left winger and left back will we then be short of a right winger. You can't fault players who have talent wanting success sooner rather than later. If we progress too slowly we will forever be behind the eight ball not only chasing the top four but the likes of Bolton, Blackburn and Newcastle as well.

fluke

7th February 2007, 01:43 AM

Well said Spur me old china. :)

And eloquently put fluke, my sentiments exactly. I was gonna make exactly the same point but 38 years beats 20 by almost two decades!

Thanks for rubbing it in!

AssaTM

7th February 2007, 03:04 AM

fluke

7th February 2007, 03:27 AM

Well Lennon JUST signed a new contract to keep the big clubs away so I dont see him going anyway, and why would Berbatov go? he woulda been with us for a season and already done better than what Leverkusen have done for a year or two

Contracts mean nothing these days. Micheal Carrick had sometime left on his contract. He wanted to go. How can you expect a player to give 100% and not be resentfull if they don't want to stay at a club, even if they have a contract. Berbatov might be unappy not playing European football next season if we don't get a spot. Yes we'll make a fortune if we sell, but what's the use of having all that cash when all you can do with it is buy overpriced mediocre crap with it.
This is the problem with a "let's be patient" mentality. Most of us regular people have forty year careers, we can afford to be patient. Footballers don't have the same luxury, they want to win the prem and the champions league while they still can. They're not gonna stand still while the Tottenhams of this world get there shit together waiting for the youth team players to grow pubes, they want it NOW. Who can blame them.

singapore spur

7th February 2007, 07:06 AM

Depends what your definition of support is?

Yours seems to 'expect the win even when against the odds'. I've been brought up to be a realist, i'm not one for blind optimism.

feck it , im going for blind optimism 4-1 to spurs

spurs61

7th February 2007, 09:45 AM

I hope Jol doesn't start Rocha on Saturday, it's a bit much to ask him to play his first game against an ultra physical side like Sheffield especially considering his less than convincing start. This is obviously going to be a tight game. I'm going for a scoring draw. 2-2.

Spur

7th February 2007, 09:51 AM

Not at all, but by you guys reckoning we'll be the next leeds and be in the championship soon, dont be silly, EVERY team has slumps

I agree with you there, and I also agree that some people are taking our slump too far, but that's life.

Welsh Spur

7th February 2007, 11:25 AM

I agree with you there, and I also agree that some people are taking our slump too far, but that's life.

**** me I'm glad someone has finally mentioned the word slump!

Yes, people, that is what we are in. If we get knocked out of all the cups at the next hurdles then it becomes a crisis, especially with our current league position.

I understand people's concerns but I also think a certain few are way overboard with their worries.

jrio

7th February 2007, 11:37 AM

The next 3 fixtures will be illuminating: Sheff, Fulham(FA Cup) and Everton all away, followed by Bolton at home. A clear invitation for a slump to become a crisis. A lot hinges on that Fulham game.

proto

7th February 2007, 11:55 AM

The next 3 fixtures will be illuminating: Sheff, Fulham(FA Cup) and Everton all away, followed by Bolton at home. A clear invitation for a slump to become a crisis. A lot hinges on that Fulham game.

daammnn thats pessimistic, its also a great opertunity to pull ourselves out of a slump. lots away from home where theres less expectation and against midtable teams with very few players i'm envious of.

but yeah, **** it up and the slump would become a bit of a crisis.

i still have faith though :) and never more heartfelt....COYS!....please?

AssaTM

7th February 2007, 11:56 AM

**** me I'm glad someone has finally mentioned the word slump!

Yes, people, that is what we are in. If we get knocked out of all the cups at the next hurdles then it becomes a crisis, especially with our current league position.

I understand people's concerns but I also think a certain few are way overboard with their worries.

Hey! I mentioned the world Slump before him! :( :p

JuicE

7th February 2007, 12:01 PM

I'm positive that we will get a great result.....I'm going for a draw 1 - 1. :eek:

proto

7th February 2007, 12:01 PM

Hey! I mentioned the world Slump before him! :( :p

lol, don't worry that happens alot here, why i read more than i post. your just sat at the wrong table, buy one of the regulars a pint and maybe you'll get in their conversation. or be like me, just keep talking to yourself, one day they'll notice the genius ;)

@the Locals :p lol

spurs61

7th February 2007, 12:02 PM

some people are taking our slump too far

That all depends on your definition of the word "Slump". You are quite correct that we are currently surffering a slump but the Oxford Dictionary defines a slump as;

slump

• verb 1 sit, lean, or fall heavily and limply. 2 fail or decline substantially or over a prolonged period.
• noun 1 an instance of slumping. 2 a prolonged period of abnormally low economic activity. .

I assume you guys think that 5 months of dire football and poor results is not a "substantial decline over a prolonged period"?

proto

7th February 2007, 12:11 PM

5months? its been a month being really bad, nov and dec wern't bad, not great and the odd shocker, but i'd say the "slump" has been since crimbo.

but saying that we started badly too, maybe that nov, dec period was a peak?... ugh the more i think about it the worse it gets :confused:

spurs61

7th February 2007, 12:22 PM

Mmm, you forget Bolton and Everton for starters. How about drawing 0-0 at Watford or 3-0 at home to Liverpool?

jrio

7th February 2007, 12:29 PM

The last 4 games against Premier sides show 3 losses and a draw, 12 goals conceded(3 per game including an average of 3 per home game). In that respect conceding less than 3 at Sheffield will be a marked improvement! I wouldn't be surprised to see Jol concentrate on shoring up the middle and my guess is Rocha and Jenas will figure. I think his aim for a league finish will be less 6th and more top ten. There's a spell of home games in March/April where they should be aiming for 9 points out of 9.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 12:34 PM

Only one man can correctly predict the exact score for this game.

He knows football.

William Hill, Paddy Power, Joe Coral...ye will all tremble when the word of KingKeane is brought forth on Friday!

Ta da! Begin to tremble of yea of little faith, for tis me,the predictathon;) .

As I am doubtful as to whether I will be in the office due to the wonderful nature of this country's 3rd world transport system, snow in February who'd a thought it?! I am forced to make my prediction, hell no it's not a prediction it's a shoo in, for this week's game;

Sheff Utd; this'll be fun, they'll try (and succeed) in intimidating our lovely gentle boys with their horrible calous Northern ways. Which of course means that we stand a good chance of rolling over waving our arms and legs in the air like the folorn puppy dog of a team that we have become. Zokora to once again prove that he's as much use as a chocolate kettle, Defoe to get himself offside at least 15 times, Hudd to be bypassed easier than a Reliant Robin and Robbo to dive at least two inches over the ball when the only goal of the game is scored by John Stead with a header from a dodgy freekick (cos he's been slated on here). It'll be bloody cold, the pubs around the ground will be shitholes and it'll be a miserable journey back in pissing rain for our loyal fans. And Jol will say "yesh, no, the boys were a little tired from having to train thish week, it'sh unfortunate that we can't play a game oncesh every ten daysh like last sheason, we only have 35 prosh at the club and thish is not enough to compete in all the cupsh and the league"

:p :o :rolleyes:

Welsh Spur

7th February 2007, 12:48 PM

Mmm, you forget Bolton and Everton for starters. How about drawing 0-0 at Watford or 3-0 at home to Liverpool?

These were one-offs in amongst good performances. Since the win at WHL against Villa on Boxing Day, we have been pretty bad. January has been awful, the way I look at it though is that we could have lost the scum semi playing well (it's a shame we didnt though) - I wasn't optimistic either way. Given our current bullshit league position, two more cup exits in quick succession will compound our misery and then Jol will really be looking at the exit door.

If we don't qualify for Europe next season then I have to say I think the board will be considering his position.

jrio

7th February 2007, 12:49 PM

Ta da! Begin to tremble of yea of little faith, for tis me,the predictathon;) .

All the makings of a class forecast! Everyone note you can get 7-1 for KK's prediction, not quite as dramatic as Sunday which was probably closer to 40-1. Sheff's record at home is For 15 Against 15 in 13 games so certainly in line with their season to date. Whilst I don't think Zokora will start, I'll be paying close attention to Mart's post-match summary to see how many of those words feature in it(usually he starts with 'no' meaning 'yes').

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 12:52 PM

All the makings of a class forecast! Everyone note you can get 7-1 for KK's prediction, not quite as dramatic as Sunday which was probably closer to 40-1. Sheff's record at home is For 15 Against 15 in 13 games so certainly in line with their season to date Whilst I don't think Zokora will start, I'll be paying close attention to Mart's post-match summary to see how much of that is mirrored in it.

You see, thing is I am cheating. My name is Herbert George Wells. ;)

spurs61

7th February 2007, 01:18 PM

These were one-offs in amongst good performances. Since the win at WHL against Villa on Boxing Day, we have been pretty bad.

I'm afraid not Welshie old chap. If you speak to STH's (season tickets holders) they will tell you that the football has been sub-standard for some time. We sometimes play 20 minutes or so of nice football but then revert to hoofing the ball up to Berbatov or Mido. Boxing Day was the watershed when the team began to seriously struggle against badly thought out tactics and more determined and aggressive opposition, the signs were written all over the wall well before that. How can you say that Bolton, Everton, Liverpool and Watford displays were "one offs"? We failed to win a league match or score a goal for 6 weeks after the Sheff U game. We have not won more than two games back to back this season and can't keep a clean sheet for love nor money. I think you will find after looking at the results list, that the good results were the one-offs which masked what has been a poor and frustating season so far.

Spur

7th February 2007, 01:51 PM

I assume you guys think that 5 months of dire football and poor results is not a "substantial decline over a prolonged period"?

Does that include the 15 games unbeaten? This is what I mean by people taking it too far. 15 games unbeaten and still people complained? I don't get it. It's like you want to see Jol fail.

Any little bad thing you will pick up on immediately and if - and it's a ****ing big if - it turns out Jol fails miserably with us this year or the next you will take all the credit and say I told you so!

The other thing is, let's say we don't get euro footy for next year - do you think the best thing to do is ship Jol out and get someone new in? I certainly don't.

jrio

7th February 2007, 01:58 PM

spurs61, I'm inclined to agree with you. The "20 mins of nice football" and "hoofing it up" strikes a chord. Throughtout the season we've conceded 3 goals in a game or easily lost by 2. More revealingly, how long did it take us to score an away goal in open play(City Dec 16?). You'd think, compared to last season, we'd lost half the side, not just Carrick, and not brought in any quality players. Too many squad players that can't deliver when in the first team.

Last season wasn't a nirvana by any means, but the team had a spirit and cohesion. Never lost 2 games in a row and came back from many games away from home to even win a few of them. Robbo's been fairly poor(His handling of long range shots has been of a league 2 level) and I can't believe he's distraught at not being in the team tonight, unless there's some indication that a faultless Foster debut means he keeps the spot. Let's face it, the spine of the team has dissolved. Robbo poor, King injuries, Carrick gone, and Mido, who had been a valuable focal point, inconsequential. The midfield is just all over the place and at times it looks as THFCtalk forumers did the coaching during the week. That would be great to hear in Jol's post-match summaries: 'No, I told the forumers playing Keane in the hole/Keane on the left/Ekotto in left midfield/Barnard up front would be a mishtake but I think they will learn from this!'

jrio

7th February 2007, 02:08 PM

Does that include the 15 games unbeaten? This is what I mean by people taking it too far. 15 games unbeaten and still people complained? I don't get it. It's like you want to see Jol fail.
Key question: how many league games because that's the standard.

The other thing is, let's say we don't get euro footy for next year - do you think the best thing to do is ship Jol out and get someone new in? I certainly don't.
Neither do I. Was Euro football the test last season? I'm supposing Jol wouldn't have sold Carrick at any price had the decision been solely his. It's a risk. Look at Upson's departure from Brum(I would have backed it). I didn't expect CL because prior to that we couldn't even overcome Boro! Draw with Boro away, beat Blackburn home seems easy enough. If you can't do that even a misfiring Arsenal is too big a hurdle. As it's turned out, we may have avoided a bigger humiliation, albeit you can argue Carrick would have stayed.

You can see why other fans despise Spurs fans because we often think we're ManU or Liverpool, demanding success not commensurate with our record. Looking at the calibre of some of the managers in the past decade - Gross, Graham, Santini - tells its own story.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 02:32 PM

Does that include the 15 games unbeaten? This is what I mean by people taking it too far. 15 games unbeaten and still people complained? I don't get it. It's like you want to see Jol fail.

Any little bad thing you will pick up on immediately and if - and it's a ****ing big if - it turns out Jol fails miserably with us this year or the next you will take all the credit and say I told you so!

The other thing is, let's say we don't get euro footy for next year - do you think the best thing to do is ship Jol out and get someone new in? I certainly don't.

Just look at the standard of opposition in those games, LOOK AT THEM! Other than Chelsea these were all teams we should be beating. The real problem is supporters such as yourself who see a modicom of achievement in the past two decades and label it as a new dawn and the coming of the messiah.

I don't want to see Jol fail but given the amount of monies expended on the team... (the argument about net spending is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. If you spend £100 million and recoup £50 million you have still spent £100 million not £50 million. When you change houses and sell one for £200K and buy one for £300K you have not bought a £100K property).

It's nothing to do with taking the credit, what credit would I get for knowing that Jol is not the right man for the job? Will someone employ me on the back of it or will by name be espoused in lights? I'm only interested in the well-being of the club not of one man. To that end, I would definatly replace Jol if we fail to qualify this season. Think about it, who is going to want to play for a team that the manager is unable to motivate, which lacks passion and belief, where the players are unable to rely of their team mates and has had a fortune spent on it to no avail?

I have only one thing to add to this, who remembers David O'Leary being hailed as the best thing since sliced bread only to fail miserably and ultimatley found to be totally out of his depth. He also spent a fortune amalgamating a young British side with ambitions of taking on the big four and counquering Europe. Someone remind me what happened to this side?

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 02:42 PM

Just look at the standard of opposition in those games, LOOK AT THEM! Other than Chelsea these were all teams we should be beating. The real problem is supporters such as yourself who see a modicom of achievement in the past two decades and label it as a new dawn and the coming of the messiah.

I don't want to see Jol fail but given the amount of monies expended on the team... (the argument about net spending is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. If you spend £100 million and recoup £50 million you have still spent £100 million not £50 million. When you change houses and sell one for £200K and buy one for £300K you have not bought a £100K property).

It's nothing to do with taking the credit, what credit would I get for knowing that Jol is not the right man for the job? Will someone employ me on the back of it or will by name be espoused in lights? I'm only interested in the well-being of the club not of one man. To that end, I would definatly replace Jol if we fail to qualify this season. Think about it, who is going to want to play for a team that the manager is unable to motivate, which lacks passion and belief, where the players are unable to rely of their team mates and has had a fortune spent on it to no avail?

I have only one thing to add to this, who remembers David O'Leary being hailed as the best thing since sliced bread only to fail miserably and ultimatley found to be totally out of his depth. He also spent a fortune amalgamating a young British side with ambitions of taking on the big four and counquering Europe. Someone remind me what happened to this side?

SHIT - I hate it when you're right. Can't add a lot other than the fact that Jol has recently bemoaned the lack of fight and bite and balance in the team, surely as head coach this is tantamount to an admittal of failure on his behalf.

jrio

7th February 2007, 02:57 PM

I don't want to see Jol fail but given the amount of monies expended on the team... (the argument about net spending is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. If you spend £100 million and recoup £50 million you have still spent £100 million not £50 million. When you change houses and sell one for £200K and buy one for £300K you have not bought a £100K property).

Spur isn't a problem, he has a very measured attitude, but that's beside the point.

Spending on players is not comparable to housing. When you sell players you're losing playing assets so there is only marginal improvement in player perfomance. With housing you have outside factors that contribute to the desirability of the house(crime rate, schools, shopping and leisure facilities, environment etc). If a relative gives you 100k you've still bought a 300k property, just not with money you earnt. The loss of Carrick is a prime example. At the start of this season tell Jol he can keep any player he wants and still spend £50m. Even better, have no limits. The results from the spending have been poor but anyone wanting to ditch the manager is living in a fool's paradise, fantasising that there is a long list on international managers only waiting for the Spurs vacancy to materialise to fulfill their desire to triumph in England.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 02:59 PM

Spur isn't a problem, he has a very measured attitude, but that's beside the point.

Spending on players is not comparable to housing. When you sell players you're losing playing assets so there is only marginal improvement in player perfomance. With housing you have outside factors that contribute to the desirability of the house(crime rate, schools, shopping and leisure facilities, environment etc). If a relative gives you 100k you've still bought a 300k property, just not with money you earnt. The loss of Carrick is a prime example. At the start of this season tell Jol he can keep any player he wants and still spend £50m. Even better, have no limits. The results from the spending have been poor but anyone wanting to ditch the manager is living in a fool's paradise, fantasising that there is a long list on international managers only waiting for the Spurs vacancy to materialise to fulfill their desire to triumph in England.

All well and good but we are playing shit football and losing as well, can we not at least be pretty in defeat, that I think you will find is the problem.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 03:00 PM

The midfield is just all over the place and at times it looks as THFCtalk forumers did the coaching during the week. That would be great to hear in Jol's post-match summaries: 'No, I told the forumers playing Keane in the hole/Keane on the left/Ekotto in left midfield/Barnard up front would be a mishtake but I think they will learn from this!'

LMFAO :D .

I'd play BAE on left mifield, he's a lousy defender but can use the ball, has vision, a bit of pace and can beat a man. No wonder Jol won't consider playing him there, how embarrasing for him to stumble across the answer (possibly) to our left sided problems by mistake.

jrio

7th February 2007, 03:03 PM

To that end, I would definatly replace Jol if we fail to qualify this season.
This is also wrong. Your short-term view does you no credit. Just look at the past years since Venables left. Before Jol about a manager every 2 years, average achievement what? A league placing of 11th, 3 FA Cup semi-finals, a League Cup victory and semi-final, qualified for Europe once. Once! Jol probably won't be the man to lead us to great glories, but you know what? It can be a whole lot worse!

spurs61

7th February 2007, 03:06 PM

Spur isn't a problem, he has a very measured attitude, but that's beside the point.

You're right, it came out wrong! What I meant is that the view taken by Spur and a great many of our supporters is detrimental to our progression. Let's aclaim a manager and a team when they actually achieve something. Qualifying in 5th place and narrowly missing out on 4th was a minor achievement, something we should be doing most season. Let's wait to praise Jol or any other manager/player/coach until we see some silverwear or at least some tangible evidence that the £100 million spent has not been frittered away on average players for average results.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 03:06 PM

LMFAO :D .

I'd play BAE on left mifield, he's a lousy defender but can use the ball, has vision, a bit of pace and can beat a man. No wonder Jol won't consider playing him there, how embarrasing for him to stumble across the answer (possibly) to our left sided problems by mistake.

TBH, I think that this left winger saga is a bit of a red herring, although it would be nice, I feel a proper left back could go a long way to assuaging the problems, as long as the player in front of him actually shows a willingness to keep his discipline, track back when required and not pop up on the right wing and is capable of allowing the left back to make an overlap thereby giving a 1st time crossing option.

jrio

7th February 2007, 03:06 PM

I'd play BAE on left mifield, he's a lousy defender but can use the ball, has vision, a bit of pace and can beat a man. No wonder Jol won't consider playing him there, how embarrasing for him to stumble across the answer (possibly) to our left sided problems by mistake.
Uses the ball well but I've rarely seen evidence he can beat a man. Biggest weakness is he lacks the aggression to cope in our league. I certainly wouldn't play him in front of Lee. In front of Heinze? Yes, I'd give it a go.

Welsh Spur

7th February 2007, 03:17 PM

I'm afraid not Welshie old chap. If you speak to STH's (season tickets holders) they will tell you that the football has been sub-standard for some time. We sometimes play 20 minutes or so of nice football but then revert to hoofing the ball up to Berbatov or Mido. Boxing Day was the watershed when the team began to seriously struggle against badly thought out tactics and more determined and aggressive opposition, the signs were written all over the wall well before that. How can you say that Bolton, Everton, Liverpool and Watford displays were "one offs"? We failed to win a league match or score a goal for 6 weeks after the Sheff U game. We have not won more than two games back to back this season and can't keep a clean sheet for love nor money. I think you will find after looking at the results list, that the good results were the one-offs which masked what has been a poor and frustating season so far.

I can't say I disagree with that mate. Not at all actually. In fact, you might just have completely changed my opinion over what exactly our currect status is - In my head it's the 5th best team in England, but you've just opened my eyes to the fact that what you're saying is actually more true than I could imagine. Shit the last two years I've actually been proud to be a Spurs supporter, after enduring taunts and bullshit players for almost my entire childhood. I don't want to go back there.

So, metaphorically what I'm asking is, if we're trying to get to the light at the end of the tunnel, how far away is this light?

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 03:22 PM

So, metaphorically what I'm asking is, if we're trying to get to the light at the end of the tunnel, how far away is this light?

Some may say that although there is light at the end of the tunnel, at present it's being blocked by a corpulent Dutchman.

jrio

7th February 2007, 03:30 PM

Some may say that although there is light at the end of the tunnel, at present it's being blocked by a corpulent Dutchman.
Some might say that "Some might say" is a mediocre song by a band built on copying mainly the Beatles and 70s glam acts. Sounds like you're still clinging to your fantasy that Lippi regards Spurs as a big English club. I doubt anyone in Italy thinks that. Most likely, we'd get Ranieri!

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 03:47 PM

Some might say that "Some might say" is a mediocre song by a band built on copying mainly the Beatles and 70s glam acts. Sounds like you're still clinging to your fantasy that Lippi regards Spurs as a big English club. I doubt anyone in Italy thinks that. Most likely, we'd get Ranieri!

Ah that I may well be, but at least I am not labouring under the ridiculous misapprhension, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Jol is a top grade manager with tactical acumen.

And agreed re Oasis, great 1st album and early B-sides, passable 2nd attempt, what happened to the rest of their career?

jrio

7th February 2007, 04:12 PM

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 04:19 PM

KK, I don't think anyone here is thinking that about Jol but "we cling to nurse for fear of something worse" and various other adages. Name all top grade managers here since Bill Nick please.

Morning Glory is very good, not passable(Don't Look Back in Anger is excellent, Roll With It is terrible). Then cocaine happened and a lack of songs to steal from.

George Graham, Terry Venables (but he's a fat ****ing thief - fact), David Pleat and Keith Burkinshaw, that was easy enough, what is this a pop quiz to see if I am a real fan?!

What's the story is good but leaves me a little cold unlike the 1st one, Supersonic is easily their best tune but rarely acknoweldged as such.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 04:28 PM

I can't say I disagree with that mate. Not at all actually. In fact, you might just have completely changed my opinion over what exactly our currect status is - In my head it's the 5th best team in England, but you've just opened my eyes to the fact that what you're saying is actually more true than I could imagine. Shit the last two years I've actually been proud to be a Spurs supporter, after enduring taunts and bullshit players for almost my entire childhood. I don't want to go back there.

So, metaphorically what I'm asking is, if we're trying to get to the light at the end of the tunnel, how far away is this light?

I hope I didn't depress you too much, it wasn't my intention to wholly change your mind, just make my points!

The thing is, on paper (that ****ing phrase we've heard for a decade) we are a good side with talented players and outstanding support. But 5th best team, I'd give Balckburn or Bolton that award, they're proper team. We, on the other hand, are a collection of talented but heartless (in the main) players cobbled together by a mixture of youth and under achievement. The only true winner in the squad was effectivley forced out by a manger who felt threatened by his knowledge and experience.

As I see it, we are still a good two seasons away from being able to claim that we are even close to being the 5th best team in the league. There is progression at the club but it's occuring at a far slower pace than the management or press would have you believe. You can't turn around two decades of mismanagement and faliure within three years, it's just not possible. The crux of the matter is that in order to maintain this progression we must retain our best players, without the offer of European football this will be a hard task to fulfill.

Do you know, the more we have slide towards medicrity, the prouder I am to be a Spurs supporter. It's easy to follow Man U or Chelsea or even Liverpool but the support proffered by our legions of fans never ceases to stir and amaze me. Other than the barcodes, is there any other set of fans which would still turn up in their tens of thousands week in and week out and pay the prices we are forced to? We might be mugs and we may not all agree on the direction of the club but wecan nver be accused of being fair-weather supporters or anything other than deeply committed to our cause.

COYS!!!

jrio

7th February 2007, 04:29 PM

George Graham, Terry Venables (but he's a fat ****ing thief - fact), David Pleat and Keith Burkinshaw, that was easy enough, what is this a pop quiz to see if I am a real fan?!

What's the story is good but leaves me a little cold unlike the 1st one, Supersonic is easily their best tune but rarely acknoweldged as such.

Not a tes, but of all of those before they came here, the only one you would have said would have been Venables on the back of his "team of the 80s" at Palace and first title for years for Barcelona. Remember their clueless display against Steau in the Euro Final? During lean spells in the Shelf the talk was always of Venners and Clough. The rest aren't top grade but had good spells - Burks and Pleat with us, Graham with Arse.

Best songs on the first for me are "Rock 'n' Roll Star" and the definitive "Cigarettes and Alcohol"(What's the point in looking for a job when there's nothing worth working for?).

spurs61

7th February 2007, 04:36 PM

choda

7th February 2007, 04:37 PM

Not a tes, but of all of those before they came here, the only one you would have said would have been Venables on the back of his "team of the 80s" at Palace and first title for years for Barcelona. Remember their clueless display against Steau in the Euro Final? During lean spells in the Shelf the talk was always of Venners and Clough. The rest aren't top grade but had good spells - Burks and Pleat with us, Graham with Arse.

Best songs on the first for me are "Rock 'n' Roll Star" and the definitive "Cigarettes and Alcohol"(What's the point in looking for a job when there's nothing worth working for?).

'Cigarettes and Alcohol' is a great tune, but an unbelievable rip off of T-Rex.

And I might add it's the only real rip-off they have. I think it's very unfair to call them a rip-off band. They've had many great songs.

They're just not inventive with creating an altogether new sound, and that's not a criticism. I'd hate for that type of rock to die out.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 04:37 PM

jrio

7th February 2007, 04:38 PM

The only true winner in the squad was effectivley forced out by a manger who felt threatened by his knowledge and experience.

More relevantly, Mancini's parting words were to the effect that he had nothing left to offer at the top level. Well, he proved him wrong for half a season. I think Jol was instrumental in Davids coming here(plus 47k a week) but it was clear that he gave away far too many fouls and his passing ability had deteriorated dramatically.

Complete agreement with the rest. Anyone else in the ground with me for the last game at home to Southampton in 1986 when just above 15k attended to see a 5-3 win? I was too young to be part of the 13k that saw Carlisle there in 1975(?).

spurs61

7th February 2007, 04:38 PM

Piss off you cheeky little gobshite. Go and do your masters bidding gopher boy!

**That's directed at KK ot you jrio!**

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 04:40 PM

'Cigarettes and Alcohol' is a great tune, but an unbelievable rip off of T-Rex.

And I might add it's the only real rip-off they have. I think it's very unfair to call them a rip-off band. They've had many great songs.

They're just not inventive with creating an altogether new sound, and that's not a criticism. I'd hate for that type of rock to die out.

Right, the pair of you go and buy the Black Crowes 1st two albums - the last great rock n roll band on this green planet.

Come back when you agree they are the nuts!

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 04:43 PM

Piss off you cheeky little gobshite. Go and do your masters bidding gopher boy!

**That's directed at KK ot you jrio!**

Still flippin' burgers are we?

jrio

7th February 2007, 04:46 PM

Hold on there, jrio are you saying that Burkinshaw was not and is still not a top class manager? Or Pleat? Pleat's win ratio was 49%!!! That is truly an outstanding record, better than Bill Nic in terms of percentage. You will of course argue that his record was not as good when he was caretaker onn a number of occassions but he inherited poor squads with poor morale.

David Pleat, 1986-87, played 117, won 58. Win percentage: 49.57%

Bill Nicholson, 1958-74, played 832, won 408. Win percentage: 49.03%

Of course he's not! Remember him taking Hazard off for Villa in LC Final 82 when Hazard had been occupying Souness. Floodgates opened as Liverpool had been fairly contained until then. Shreeves' response was:"Well, if we'd won you'd have said it was a great decision". No, we wouldn't, we'd have said you got away with it. Let's face it, without Spurs Burkinshaw did nothing.

Best football ever I saw was under Pleat. Almost supenatural. But a top grade manager doesn't play Tony Galvin at left back(lost to Coventy 4-3 a portent of things to come). And he doesn't regularly lose semi's and finals(all in one season).

Best Spurs managers ever:
1. Bill Nick
2. Bill Nick
3. Bill Nick
4. Bill Nick
5. Bill Nick
6. Bill Nick
7. Bill Nick
8. Bill Nick
9. Bill Nick
10. Bill Nick

Spur minus Bill Nick= West Ham

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 04:49 PM

Of course he's not! Remember him taking Hazard off for Villa in LC Final 82 when Hazard had been occupying Souness. Floodgates opened as Liverpool had been fairly contained until then. Shreeves' response was:"Well, if we'd won you'd have said it was a great decision". No, we wouldn't, we'd have said you got away with it.

Best football ever I saw was under Pleat. Almost supenatural. But a top grade manager doesn't play Tony Galvin at left back(lost to Coventy 4-3 a portent of things to come).

Best Spurs managers ever:
1. Bill Nick
2. Bill Nick
3. Bill Nick
4. Bill Nick
5. Bill Nick
6. Bill Nick
7. Bill Nick
8. Bill Nick
9. Bill Nick
10. Bill Nick

Spur minus Bill Nick= West Ham

You've fotgotten Ossie! come on if it's excitment you are after......ECG came with every season ticket, I haven't laughed so hard since.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 04:53 PM

That, is painful reality of our club. One step away from being Wet Spam.

I take your points about Burkinshaw and Pleat but we achived so much under Burks that I really do consider him the best Spurs manager after Sir Nic. Pleat just entertained me so much and still does, my judgement is possibly clouded by that fact and the fact that I know him personally. Every manager is entitled to make mistakes, just as long as they learn from them. - Martin Jol please note.

jrio

7th February 2007, 04:53 PM

'Cigarettes and Alcohol' is a great tune, but an unbelievable rip off of T-Rex.

And I might add it's the only real rip-off they have. I think it's very unfair to call them a rip-off band. They've had many great songs.

They're just not inventive with creating an altogether new sound, and that's not a criticism. I'd hate for that type of rock to die out.
It's the most blatant rip-off but done well. There are more done on the 3rd to 5th albums, most obviously of Beatles' tunes. They have a few great songs, most notably "...Anger" and "Wonderwall". Def Maybe is a great rock album though.

choda

7th February 2007, 04:54 PM

Right, the pair of you go and buy the Black Crowes 1st two albums - the last great rock n roll band on this green planet.

Come back when you agree they are the nuts!

Hold on, I just said I think there a very good band, I never said they were the best. However, I do think 'Let there be love' is one of the best tunes in the last twenty years.

The best band ever, in my opinion, is 'The Doors'.

I'll have a listen to 'The Black Crowes', I've never heard of them, and I've the most extensive collection of anybody I know. Who are they?

choda

7th February 2007, 04:56 PM

It's the most blatant rip-off but done well. There are more done on the 3rd to 5th albums, most obviously of Beatles' tunes. They have a few great songs, most notably "...Anger" and "Wonderwall". Def Maybe is a great rock album though.

I didn't buy the shit albums, so maybe you're right.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 05:00 PM

Hold on, I just said I think there a very good band, I never said they were the best. However, I do think 'Let there be love' is one of the best tunes in the last twenty years.

The best band ever, in my opinion, is 'The Doors'.

I'll have a listen to 'The Black Crowes', I've never heard of them, and I've the most extensive collection of anybody I know. Who are they?

Doors are awesome, the refomed group called "riders on the storm" played London the other week to great acclaim, I, of course, missed it.

I wasn't saying you did say that Oasis are the best (I just changed my mind "MASTERPLAN" IMO is there best song) I just want to pass the name of the last proper rock n roll band to music lovers.

The 2 albums I love are "shake your money maker" and "the Southern Harmony and Musical Companion", basically if you like Oasis and the Doors, you should adore the Black Crowes - Rich Robinson is married to Katie Hudosn but he's probably better known for taking more drugs then Keith Richards and Pete "****" Docherty put together. Never been big in the UK for some bizzare reason.

Have a listen tell me waht you think.

jrio

7th February 2007, 05:00 PM

I take your points about Burkinshaw and Pleat but we achived so much under Burks that I really do consider him the best Spurs manager after Sir Nic. Pleat just entertained me so much and still does, my judgement is possibly clouded by that fact and the fact that I know him personally. Every manager is entitled to make mistakes, just as long as they learn from them. - Martin Jol please note.

I think Pleat is even though greatly underachieving and having "personal issues". Never knew anyone to so quickly identify weaknesses in the team - Falco, Roberts and Miller. Brought in Thomas(not a great defender but always remember 2 goals in 4-0 defeat of ManU under Ferg), Gough and Claesen. Used attacking 4-5-1 that brought Clive Allen 49 goals in a season. Destroyed West Ham 5-0 at the Lane when it could have been 9. Still, after Spurs his career at Leicester and Sheff Weds was extremely poor.

jrio

7th February 2007, 05:03 PM

I didn't buy the shit albums, so maybe you're right.
Neither did I, but I saw the signs and heard the singles from those albums.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 05:04 PM

choda

7th February 2007, 05:06 PM

spurs61

7th February 2007, 05:11 PM

I think Pleat is even though greatly underachieving and having "personal issues". Never knew anyone to so quickly identify weaknesses in the team - Falco, Roberts and Miller. Brought in Thomas(not a great defender but always remember 2 goals in 4-0 defeat of ManU under Ferg), Gough and Claesen. Used attacking 4-5-1 that brought Clive Allen 49 goals in a season. Destroyed West Ham 5-0 at the Lane when it could have been 9. Still, after Spurs his career at Leicester and Sheff Weds was extremely poor.

Pleaty is a tactical genius, fact. That '87 side were unbelievably good, the football they played came from the gods. The problem with Pleat is that he only really ever cared about Luton and Spurs, his heart was never truly in the other appointments although he retains a certain affection for Sheff Wed.

Pleat says Sheringham is even better, says he's the best tactician he has ever come across. He says that when Teddy wasn't playing, he used to sit in the bench and play with his phone and chat to his teammates. Teddy would then spend five to ten minutes watching the match before knowing exactly what neede to be done to get a result. Pleaty says it used to frighten him, if Teddy can stop playing Jack-the-lad he will be the greatest manager ever to grace the English game.

I just re-read my last paragraph, is it me do I sound like five year old? "my Daddy says...."

choda

7th February 2007, 05:14 PM

Neither did I, but I saw the signs and heard the singles from those albums.

What tunes are you referring to, name them. I'd like to listen to them again.

I'm not one for the whole rip off thing. You hear it levelled at some bands and I usually think it's unfair, like Nirvana for instance.

C&A is a total rip-off.

For C&A I usually thinking 'that's some neck', but then I just forget it and enjoy the tune, because it's a cracker.

jrio

7th February 2007, 05:15 PM

Trust 61 and me, what Pleat doesn't know about football and the players ain't worth knowing. He has an encyclopedic knowlegde of the game, tell him the name of just about any player in the world he'll tell you what positon, which club, what foot, what his strenghths/weaknesses are - the only thing is he can't pronounce their names
I remember this from WC 1986. If anything, he'd be the tactical advisor etc to Jol. The only thing he can't do is deliver on a managerial level. That season my season ticket(about £63 when Chelsea's was £90) seemed like a free gift.

MiloMinderbinder

7th February 2007, 05:18 PM

I remember this from WC 1986. If anything, he'd be the tactical advisor etc to Jol. The only thing he can't do is deliver on a managerial level. That season my season ticket(about £63 when Chelsea's was £90) seemed like a free gift).

where as now with our £850 season tickets we get a "free" gift, how times have changed.

Shall we start a "bring back Pleat" petition? Worst comes ot the worst put him on the pitch at halftime and have him read out the teamsheets, hours of amusement.

choda

7th February 2007, 05:21 PM

Pleaty is a tactical genius, fact. That '87 side were unbelievably good, the football they played came from the gods. The problem with Pleat is that he only really ever cared about Luton and Spurs, his heart was never truly in the other appointments although he retains a certain affection for Sheff Wed.

Pleat says Sheringham is even better, says he's the best tactician he has ever come across. He says that when Teddy wasn't playing, he used to sit in the bench and play with his phone and chat to his teammates. Teddy would then spend five to ten minutes watching the match before knowing exactly what neede to be done to get a result. Pleaty says it used to frighten him, if Teddy can stop playing Jack-the-lad he will be the greatest manager ever to grace the English game.

I just re-read my last paragraph, is it me do I sound like five year old? "my Daddy says...."

Wow, that's interesting and another spurs man to boot.

I didn't see Pleat's old spurs team, so I can't comment. I only saw the recent one, which it must be said showed some good football, despite the league finish. And HE could pay Keane and Defoe effectively together.

To me a caretaker is woefully undermined from the moment they take the bench. It's pot luck how the players will respond.

You'd have to worry about his spells in charge of other teams, but then again your theory could be true, he's not your normal character.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 05:32 PM

Wow, that's interesting and another spurs man to boot.

You'd have to worry about his spells in charge of other teams, but then again your theory could be true, he's not your normal character.

You think it's a coincidence that there is a plethora of former Spurs players who have gone into management and or coaching?

I think it's fair to say that David is not your run-of-the-mill personality! He's as mad as the proverbial March hare, but he's nice. And he loves Spurs with a passion equal to ours. I promise you, the day we do eventually win something, Pleat will be there jumping up and down like a schoolboy!

jrio

7th February 2007, 05:34 PM

I'm not one for the whole rip off thing. You hear it levelled at some bands and I usually think it's unfair, like Nirvana for instance.

Nirvana have a sound with obvious influences(Pixies for one, another of my faves) but accusing them of ripping off a sound is just wrong. They started a whole sound - grunge. Whereas Nickelback is just a total sterile copy of that type of music. Nirvana's version of "Man Who Sold the World" on the MTV live album is just revolutionary.

C&A is a total rip-off.

For C&A I usually thinking 'that's some neck', but then I just forget it and enjoy the tune, because it's a cracker.
Done with style though. ;) unlike the rap music copies you hear.

choda

7th February 2007, 05:40 PM

Nirvana have a sound with obvious influences(Pixies for one, another of my faves) but accusing them of ripping off a sound is just wrong. They started a whole sound - grunge. Whereas Nickelback is just a total sterile copy of that type of music. Nirvana's version of "Man Who Sold the World" on the MTV live album is just revolutionary.

Done with style though. ;) unlike the rap music copies you hear.

Don't start me on rap. I love the good stuff, but so much of it is the same old shit.

These brain dead ghetto dogs rapping about bitches and bling to a tired samo samo beat. Jesus, have you got nothing to say and can you find a beat that brings something to the party please.

jrio

7th February 2007, 06:00 PM

You think it's a coincidence that there is a plethora of former Spurs players who have gone into management and or coaching?

Or Forest and Derby from Clough(O'Neill, Clark, Davenport, McGovern, Todd, McFarland, Clough jnr), ManU under Ferg(Robson, Bruce, Hughes, McClair).

D'y want me to go on? I'd say only Hoddle has had great success in that area(sadly a god-like player with absolutely no humility).

choda

7th February 2007, 06:09 PM

I downloaded some of the Black Crowes tunes and have them blaring as I write this, first impressions are awesome. They remind me of Fleetwood Mac and Rory Gallagher.

spurs61

7th February 2007, 06:20 PM

Or Forest and Derby from Clough(O'Neill, Clark, Davenport, McGovern, Todd, McFarland, Clough jnr), ManU under Ferg(Robson, Bruce, Hughes, McClair).

D'y want me to go on? I'd say only Hoddle has had great success in that area(sadly a god-like player with absolutely no humility).

And Liverpool, these are the clubs in England renowned for playing free flowing and attractive football. They historically infuse serious tactical knowledge in their players. I never said successful managers/coaches! Of the guys you've mentioned only Clough and potential Hughes have been successful. Although I hear McClair is set for great things, no suprise there.

Good summary of Hoddle.:(

jrio

7th February 2007, 06:34 PM

And Liverpool, these are the clubs in England renowned for playing free flowing and attractive football. They historically infuse serious tactical knowledge in their players. I never said successful managers/coaches! Of the guys you've mentioned only Clough and potential Hughes have been successful. Although I hear McClair is set for great things, no suprise there.

Good summary of Hoddle.:(

There aren't any Liverpool players who've gone into management and done anything. They're all ****ing summarisers or pundits, like the Arsenal boys! You can't say Bruce hasn't been successful. Nor Robson. They've both had successes(various promotions and staying in the Prem) but nearly all managerial careers end in failure. Bill Nick quit after defeat in Rotterdam. Was he a failure? Ferguson suffered failure before Aberdeen. He also got stuffed 4-0 at home in the Euro Cup by Liverpool. What did Hughes ever qualify for as boss of Wales? Exactly, so he's no better than David Pleat!

highlander

7th February 2007, 08:12 PM

Except Stead's scored 2 in 2 since joining them.

but remember this is a player who scored 1 goal in an entire premiership campaign last season

jrio

7th February 2007, 09:47 PM

but remember this is a player who scored 1 goal in an entire premiership campaign last season

That was then, this is now. See Kanu for WBA last season v Pompey this.

Gino Ginelli

8th February 2007, 08:45 AM

Interesting how in a thread purely for the Sheff Utd match, no one wants to talk about it.

Is this a sign of the supporters' resignation with the club, that we'd rather talk about past glories or music?

Welsh Spur

8th February 2007, 10:04 AM

I'm completely ****ed off with Spurs at the moment. I haven't felt like I do right now since Glenn Hoddle was manager. All of a sudden it feels like regression and not progression. :confused:

Welsh Spur

8th February 2007, 10:06 AM

The best band ever, in my opinion, is 'The Doors'.

The Doors? Ain't that a coffeeshop in Amsterdam? Actually there are two of them....! :p

Gino Ginelli

8th February 2007, 10:34 AM

Well in keeping with the true nature of this thread...

While the Doors remain important and influential, my top band from the 60's has to be the Who. They invented Stadium Rock before Led Zep, and as that Liva Aid thing showed, they're still the best. Although I thought Pink Floyd still rocked as well.

Oasis have done nothing of consequence since '97, but that's effectively when the '90s Indie movement ran it's course anyway. Unfortunate seeing as it was the best period of music in this country.

There's plenty of really good bands around now, like Razorlight, The Kooks, Bloc Party, Arctic Monkeys, Fratellis... etc, etc.

Welsh Spur

8th February 2007, 10:47 AM

I like the Arctic Monkeys and the Kooks, but not excessively, I mean I don't have their records or anything.

If anyone can be bothered, check out:

RJD2 - Deadringer, Since we last spoke, The Horror
J Dilla - Donuts, The Shining
Aim - Flight 206, Cold Water Music, Hinterland
MF Doom - Special Herbs vol 1-9

I promise you will not be disappointed!

Gino Ginelli

8th February 2007, 02:35 PM

They all sound a bit hip hop/rap, or am I showing my ignorance. The Kooks and probably the Fratellis were my fav albums last year. Got into the new Muse album as well.

I think we should run out to Hysteria off their Absolution album. Would really get the ground rocking up to kick off. Much better than the Phantom Menace Duel of the Fates music we have.

wayne wonder

9th February 2007, 09:55 AM

Chaydle

9th February 2007, 10:24 AM

Sorry, am i still on the THFC talk forum, or the pretentious music forum?

wayne wonder

9th February 2007, 10:43 AM

Sorry, am i still on the THFC talk forum, or the pretentious music forum?

we've given up on the footie mate its easier

Gino Ginelli

9th February 2007, 11:36 AM

haha i take it you dont like hip hop then mate?

Not my thing I'm afraid. I'm more you're rock/punk/grunge type of stuff. I did think Eminiem was a genius though. Absolutely astonishing lyrics.

Yes this is more interesting than bitching about Spurs, but we should probably leave this for the off-topic forums.

MiloMinderbinder

9th February 2007, 02:12 PM

I downloaded some of the Black Crowes tunes and have them blaring as I write this, first impressions are awesome. They remind me of Fleetwood Mac and Rory Gallagher.

I'm pleased that you agree, they don't make 'em like that anymore. Which tunes have you got your grubby mits on then?

And could someone discern why the Chaydle seems to think that all our favoured music is "pretentious"? I realise that the only music "Ooop North" is generally the sound of police sirens, bar fights, breaking glass and the doll queue shuffling along but......

Oh and in keeping with the thread topic - we're gonna lose.

Gino Ginelli

9th February 2007, 02:40 PM

I realise that the only music "Ooop North" is generally the sound of police sirens, bar fights, breaking glass and the doll queue shuffling along but......

Cheeky blighter!

Depends on your definition of "North" (as in anywhere past Watford) but I'm sure you don't need reminding of Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Oasis, Futureheads, etc etc. And... oh yeah, the Beatles. :p

MiloMinderbinder

9th February 2007, 02:59 PM

Cheeky blighter!

Depends on your definition of "North" (as in anywhere past Watford) but I'm sure you don't need reminding of Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Oasis, Futureheads, etc etc. And... oh yeah, the Beatles. :p

Correct anything North of South Mimms service station is Oop North, we don't include Watford cos it's a shithole.

All the bands mentioned fled the North as soon as they had the cash in their pockets having sold their flat caps, ferrets and whippets and traded up for three piece suits, Porsches and labradours;) and what I meant was that the aforementined sounds are in fact the soundtrack to Northern Life;)

Who the hell are the Futureheads? and you've forgotten the best "Northern" band - The Smiths and what about Rae & Christian, they rock.

Gino Ginelli

9th February 2007, 03:36 PM

Who the hell are the Futureheads?

http://www.nme.com/artists/the-futureheads

Defoe8

9th February 2007, 08:52 PM

Knowing Spurs we will play well for 10mins, then capitulate and Sheffield Utd will be all over us.

We lose the game and Martin Jol will say "it's a hard game and even though we lost, the lads played well"

That's because Martin Jol is a nice guy who doesn't mind us losing as long as we played well for a bit of the game.

JuicE

10th February 2007, 12:20 PM

STFU! :mad: :mad:

SurreySpur

10th February 2007, 02:08 PM

We'll turn it round today and bring three points back to the lane. We could really do with JJ starting in the middle to give us a little extra dimension and energy.

SurreySpur

10th February 2007, 02:27 PM

Spurs: Robinson, Chimbonda, Assou-Ekotto, Dawson, Rocha, Jenas, Tainio, Zokora, Malbranque, Keane, Berbatov. Subs: Cerny, Stalteri, O'Hara, Defoe, Mido.

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 02:54 PM

gutted there is no lennon. however he rarely turns up when we are away from home anyway. well neither does anyone else actually! lol . lets hope we turn it around today. we desperately need 3 points to get in the top half. come on berby!!!

Chewy

10th February 2007, 03:06 PM

1-0 jenas after 2mins. Get In! Lennon out :( My fantasy team is going to shit lol

shakey18

10th February 2007, 03:29 PM

1-1-****.....

Chewy

10th February 2007, 03:29 PM

1-1 :( Great....

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 03:30 PM

1-1 :( Great....

.....defending??? i think not

choda

10th February 2007, 03:44 PM

Is anybody able to contact gary and tell him the spurs stream is messed up?

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 03:45 PM

Is anybody able to contact gary and tell him the spurs stream is messed up?

im watchin on premsat and its fine (the stream is anyway). where u watching it mate?

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 03:46 PM

so thats a perfectly good goal chalked off

london0998

10th February 2007, 03:52 PM

choda

10th February 2007, 03:54 PM

im watchin on premsat and its fine (the stream is anyway). where u watching it mate?

Gary has a new live footy site. What's premstat? Where can I get it?

choda

10th February 2007, 03:56 PM

london0998

10th February 2007, 03:58 PM

footballon is streaming the game. Good quality and only 8 quid a year. Half their members are yiddos too, so they show 99% of our games

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:01 PM

Gary has a new live footy site. What's premstat? Where can I get it?

ive sent you a pm

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:02 PM

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:05 PM

footballon is streaming the game. Good quality and only 8 quid a year. Half their members are yiddos too, so they show 99% of our games

check ya pms mate. i dont like asking for links on here

Chewy

10th February 2007, 04:10 PM

Premsat web-site wont load up for me!

choda

10th February 2007, 04:12 PM

footballon is streaming the game. Good quality and only 8 quid a year. Half their members are yiddos too, so they show 99% of our games

You got a link mate?

london0998

10th February 2007, 04:18 PM

**** me, we're shit

Chewy

10th February 2007, 04:22 PM

And we're down 2-1!

denis-cro

10th February 2007, 04:24 PM

**** me, we're shit
Martin Jol should be sacked ASAP...Tainio is ****ing shit!!!! ****ing pissed off!!!!

Chewy

10th February 2007, 04:25 PM

Defoe on for tainio.

london0998

10th February 2007, 04:25 PM

get off zokora! bring on hudds!!!!!!!

AssaTM

10th February 2007, 04:26 PM

Jol got them playing again after half time, the players are just lazy as ****, alot of them need to be shifted, dropped, or whatever, I dont care what, they dont play with ANY passion at all

Chewy

10th February 2007, 04:27 PM

get off zokora! bring on hudds!!!!!!!

That will be difficult. Huddlestone isnt in the squad.

Spur

10th February 2007, 04:27 PM

Anyone know why it was a penalty?

I have now cut myself off completely from everything that can tell me but anyone here watching it?

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:27 PM

Martin Jol should be sacked ASAP...Tainio is ****ing shit!!!! ****ing pissed off!!!!

i agree with you about tainio. he shud be sacked. he brings nothing to the team, cant tackle, cant pass, cant shoot. what the **** is he playing for

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:28 PM

Anyone know why it was a penalty?

I have now cut myself off completely from everything that can tell me but anyone here watching it?

because tainio was born

london0998

10th February 2007, 04:29 PM

That will be difficult. Huddlestone isnt in the squad.

Turned on late, missed the squad named. Where's huddlestone then??

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:30 PM

Turned on late, missed the squad named. Where's huddlestone then??

having a rest i imagine. or maybe learning how to run

london0998

10th February 2007, 04:31 PM

Mido's coming on. Four up front?? Jol are you ozzie in Disguise????

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:33 PM

****in hell 4 forwards on the pitch. did jol bang his head at halftime

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:44 PM

what has berbatov done today exactly? other than miss some good chances? mido seems to have done more work than him and hes only been on 10 mins

Spur

10th February 2007, 04:49 PM

Is this another typical away performance?

SurreySpur

10th February 2007, 04:53 PM

For **** Sake!!

Chewy

10th February 2007, 04:54 PM

Thats us in the bottom 7!

london0998

10th February 2007, 04:55 PM

contender for worst game of season

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 04:56 PM

Is this another typical away performance?

yep exactly the same. started very well ala reading. then sit back and let them come back into it.

never really looked like scoring in 2nd half. prob had best of the half, few chances but they made theirs count

the only good thing about our league form this season is that we arent west ham

Thfc4Life

10th February 2007, 04:57 PM

Europe looks miles away, we still havn't won away all season and the way we are playing I can't see where our next points are gonna come from :(

denis-cro

10th February 2007, 04:57 PM

Sack Jol IMMEDIATELY!!! :mad:

Ioang

10th February 2007, 05:01 PM

****ing lawro.

damo1176

10th February 2007, 05:01 PM

I hate knee jerk reactions and repeatedly fans call for Jol's head and other people tell them top shut the f*** up but this has now gone beyond a joke!!!! Beaten By Sheff Utd, looking shite as usual, no Lennon...it seems no chance in hell, wahtever happened to the team that beat Chelsea, the team that at home we're unbeatable. Jonl simply cannot motivate the team, time to get someone nasty in that will beat this soft ***** egits into shape.....can you imagine what Fergie wouold do to this shower of shit!!! Just wish they read forums cos as much as I love you spurs, you lot are a punch of frilly knicker wearing, namby pamby softies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO and get a different career cos every week you are proving your future aint in football!!!!

Defoe8

10th February 2007, 05:01 PM

When we went 0-1 up, I'd thought we'd go on and finish them off, but no, same old Spurs capitulate again!!

We'll be lucky now to even get into the top half of the Prem table.

Pathetic :mad:

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 05:03 PM

It's time for us to start looking over our shoulders now, we are getting dangerously close to the relegation zone and the way we are playing I can't see where our next points are gonna come from :(

was just thinking exactly the same thing. really thought we would get at least a point today and improve after recent performances but yea we need to forgot about finishing in the top 10 and make sure we dont get dragged towards the bottom.

looks like we have to pray for good performances and a lot of luck in the cups.

damo1176

10th February 2007, 05:04 PM

Where do we go from here though!!!! UEFA Cup any team set to face us will be laughing!!! FA Cup, Fulham will muller us at their place on this form and well prem wise we're fecked...mid table laughing stock again if that!!!!

I don't know how players of the quality we have manage it!!

spurs4ever

10th February 2007, 05:05 PM

Yes ANOTHEr ****ing game in which a lead was pissed up the wall!! WHAT THE ****!! those ****ing players should hang their heads in ****ing shame......

The way we are going I can see it turning into a VERY dodgy end of season... And I do NOT even want to comtemplate playing the goons near the end with that game deciding if we stay up.... we would never hear the end of it...

ITS TIME FOR CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!

SurreySpur

10th February 2007, 05:06 PM

contender for worst game of season

Not if your a sheffield Unted fan it isnt!!

damo1176

10th February 2007, 05:07 PM

Trouble is wot changes can we make...we have a habit of buying pussies!! We have no players it seems that want to scrap, first sign of a kick in and Berbie and co wimp out!!! We have lots of pretty players, players that want time onj the ball ala Huddlestone...sorry guys you don't get thet ihn the premyou have to be quick, think on your feet (figuratively speaking) and get stuck in!!!! Only Dawson seems to ever want to be up for a scrap and Ghaly when he plays!

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 05:08 PM

ITS TIME FOR CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!

what changes?

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 05:09 PM

Not if your a sheffield Unted fan it isnt!!

yea credit to sheff u for their fighting spirit. not that they really needed much, but still they didnt give up after going a goal down. probably because they knew they would of been murdered by warnock if they had

damo1176

10th February 2007, 05:14 PM

Eveery weekend gets me more depressed, its just not funny anymore, Jol stop letting these players play this badly week in week out, sort the overpaid wan**** out!!!

spurs4ever

10th February 2007, 05:16 PM

and if he cannot then the board should sort that over paid ****** out!!

spurs4ever

10th February 2007, 05:17 PM

Trying a dif tactics, formation, game mentality, back line, def midfield... **** even a new manager... the club is sinking like the titanic at present... we have gone back a decades in one season.....

Spur

10th February 2007, 05:18 PM

SurreySpur

10th February 2007, 05:23 PM

Pedro Mendes has just lashed in LEFT footed from 30yards against Citeh!! We should never have let him go, what a bad decision that has turned out to be!!

Thfc4Life

10th February 2007, 05:23 PM

can't believe we haven't got one natural winger on the pitch or amongst the subs. Why hasn't jol sorted out our problems with the lack of wide players?? He's had long enough to address the problem now.

Exactly mate!! but alot of people seem to forget who's fault this is :confused:

We have the best squad of players we have had for 20 years, If we don't get European football then Jol has to leave, it is as simple as that!

European football is the bare minimum we should be looking for, and at this moment in time the only way we can achieve this is by winning the UEFA cup which is a long shot :eek:

spurs4ever

10th February 2007, 05:25 PM

European football is the bare minimum we should be looking for, and at this moment in time the only way we can achieve this is by winning the UEFA cup which is a long shot :eek:

LONG SHOT!!! ****ing hell, the way the team played today we have more chance of Lord Lucan turning up to play in defence...

denis-cro

10th February 2007, 05:29 PM

We have the best squad of players we have had for 20 years, If we don't get European football then Jol has to leave, it is as simple as that!

Well said!

denis-cro

10th February 2007, 05:43 PM

Pedro Mendes has just lashed in LEFT footed from 30yards against Citeh!! We should never have let him go, what a bad decision that has turned out to be!!
Darren Anderton has scored today his first ever hattrick in over 500 apperances in his career vs L. Orient. :D ...Should we ever let him go ??? I still think that major fault is in Jol´s tactical knowlege...

Spur

10th February 2007, 05:49 PM

Darren Anderton has scored today his first ever hattrick in over 500 apperances in his career vs L. Orient. :D ...Should we ever let him go ??? I still think that major fault is in Jol´s tactical knowlege...

Why weren't you saying it last season then?

peterc

10th February 2007, 06:16 PM

Why weren't you saying it last season then?
Last season the team seemed to gel, but this season, something drastic is going wrong, results speak for themselves.

denis-cro

10th February 2007, 06:34 PM

Why weren't you saying it last season then?
OK, we have finished 5th last season, but have been beaten by Grimsby and Leicester in 1st round of domestic cups, and have played only 40 games last year, which in my opinios is embarrassed. Like every Spurs fan I was also delighted with 5th place in Premiership (as it is the best achievement in Premier league ), no matter for that last game vs West Spam when we could even played in CL if we had won, so we all did forgot about Grimsby, Leicester and "only" 40 games all season! But those are facts!!! This season we played in CC semi, but have been very lucky with draw, and even have struggled with Port Vale and Southend at home ground!!! We also struggled vs Cardiff away in FA cup. OK, we have "demolished" UEFA cup group ( which, to be honest was very strong) , but the truth is that English football, this days, is miles away from rest of Europe (except West Spam :D)
All I want to say is that we have very good players and should be top 5 (cause if we beat Chelski, it means that they´re good) but NO HAVE manager who will made them play like vs Chelski every game ( no matter if we play MUFC at home, or MK Dons away) and made us top 5 every season…

Spur

10th February 2007, 06:49 PM

Last season the team seemed to gel, but this season, something drastic is going wrong, results speak for themselves.

And you think 3 months of questionable results is enough to reward or punish someone? Even when against the odds when the heart of your team is ripped out and signings brought in to replace the heart don't work out?

Pathetic in my opinion to be calling for his head. I'm ashamed of my own fans - that's what makes me feel bad.

peterc

10th February 2007, 07:07 PM

And you think 3 months of questionable results is enough to reward or punish someone? Even when against the odds when the heart of your team is ripped out and signings brought in to replace the heart don't work out?

Pathetic in my opinion to be calling for his head. I'm ashamed of my own fans - that's what makes me feel bad.

Did I mention anything about calling for his head??, I'm being factual and resutls are there to be read, something has to be done sooner rather than later, we cannot continue performing the way we are. Jol needs to sort out the problem ASAP. I suggest you read threads properly before jumping the gun.

london0998

10th February 2007, 07:07 PM

And you think 3 months of questionable results is enough to reward or punish someone? Even when against the odds when the heart of your team is ripped out and signings brought in to replace the heart don't work out?

Pathetic in my opinion to be calling for his head. I'm ashamed of my own fans - that's what makes me feel bad.

I agree that 3 months of questionable results shouldn't warrant the sacking of jol. However, I do find his tactical choices baffling!

nuttyhotspurs

10th February 2007, 07:30 PM

Europe looks miles away, we still havn't won away all season and the way we are playing I can't see where our next points are gonna come from :(

we won at man city

Ginola's Son

10th February 2007, 09:48 PM

****in bunch of ******s. Do they not care about my mental health. Predictable result but it still hurts like hell!

Ginola's Son

10th February 2007, 09:52 PM

So who are the 'Big Clubs' ?

This'll be interesting

Man U, Chelsea, Gooners. L-pool a times.

JuicE

10th February 2007, 11:01 PM

jrio

10th February 2007, 11:39 PM

This is Bullshit! If we can't beat a bunch of first time nobodies then we have a major ****ing problem. MJ is a big part of that problem and we obviously need to change things. Too late now but before the start of next season. He clearly is not the man for the job. If you can't see that then your sense of loyalty is clouding your judgement. Sack him at the end of the season when we have won **** all and narrowly avoid relegation. The only saving grace might be the fact that west ham are actually worse than us! :rolleyes:

It's been a major problem for about 30 years. Try telling us who is the man for the job. Like me, you have probably been infected by the romance of the Spurs. You cannot escape it.

Sack everyone and build another club. Somehow I doubt you'll get any satisfaction.

RuFuS

11th February 2007, 09:24 AM

Jol on our Uefa cup Bye

“The decision allows us more time to work on the training ground though. so it’s an advantage for us to have a little rest and spend some quality time on the training pitch.”

Get a motivation coach may be a better idea :mad:

Shuggie13

11th February 2007, 09:50 AM

I understand in principle about more games and adjusting to that this season, but how many more days in a week does he need for training between games. They are hardly doctors putting in 80 hours a week at work. There is plenty of time for training. A motivational coach is a great idea, but missing that a gun to the head and a few motivational speeches would do the trick. I'm sure a few of us here would be wlling to give a helping hand :) .

Spur

11th February 2007, 11:13 AM

Did I mention anything about calling for his head??, I'm being factual and resutls are there to be read, something has to be done sooner rather than later, we cannot continue performing the way we are. Jol needs to sort out the problem ASAP. I suggest you read threads properly before jumping the gun.

You may not have mentioned it but it is what you and others are either saying or implying. The post was directed at all those who are calling for his head, not just in reply to your original one.

You also never answered me.

peterc

11th February 2007, 06:16 PM

You may not have mentioned it but it is what you and others are either saying or implying. The post was directed at all those who are calling for his head, not just in reply to your original one.

You also never answered me.

What I am implying is something has to be done, Spurs as a football team cannot continue this decline in form and yet again yesterday's result speaks for itself. No need to answer do I??. Said before and say again results speak for themselves. Do you expect all of us to say how brilliant the managment and Spurs players are without winning one game this year. Face facts and admit there are problems that need addressing.

Spur

11th February 2007, 06:48 PM

What I am implying is something has to be done, Spurs as a football team cannot continue this decline in form and yet again yesterday's result speaks for itself. No need to answer do I??. Said before and say again results speak for themselves. Do you expect all of us to say how brilliant the managment and Spurs players are without winning one game this year. Face facts and admit there are problems that need addressing.

When have I ever denied that? It's something that many people knew last season let alone this.

Like I said, it wasn't only directed at you, but those who think he should go. Which he shouldn't, as it would be the biggest mistake in recent history.

peterc

11th February 2007, 07:21 PM

When have I ever denied that? It's something that many people knew last season let alone this.

Like I said, it wasn't only directed at you, but those who think he should go. Which he shouldn't, as it would be the biggest mistake in recent history.

I really thought highly of Jol and the board/management last season, but something has gone drastically wrong, we knew we were in Europe, where was the pre-planning for this season, yes, we had a setback with Carrick's sudden departure and we now know how much this has affected the team, however, lets face it, we had time to find a suitable replacement, this did not happen, and has left quite a few of us with a question mark as regards to the capabilities of this present board and management.

Shuggie13

11th February 2007, 07:53 PM

I really thought highly of Jol and the board/management last season, but something has gone drastically wrong, we knew we were in Europe, where was the pre-planning for this season, yes, we had a setback with Carrick's sudden departure and we now know how much this has affected the team, however, lets face it, we had time to find a suitable replacement, this did not happen, and has left quite a few of us with a question mark as regards to the capabilities of this present board and management.

So in seven months since the last season ended your opinion has gone from praise and faith to scorn and disillusioment? That doesn't make much sense when you think about it.

peterc

11th February 2007, 08:51 PM

So in seven months since the last season ended your opinion has gone from praise and faith to scorn and disillusioment? That doesn't make much sense when you think about it.

What is there to praise this season??, the games we lost due to very poor team performances, losing to the scum due to bad tactics, unsuitable players brought in, no suitable replacement for Carrick, so all these reasons don't make sense, you must be on a different planet. I have still not given up faith but my doubts have started to increase.

Spur

11th February 2007, 09:09 PM

I really thought highly of Jol and the board/management last season, but something has gone drastically wrong, we knew we were in Europe, where was the pre-planning for this season, yes, we had a setback with Carrick's sudden departure and we now know how much this has affected the team, however, lets face it, we had time to find a suitable replacement, this did not happen, and has left quite a few of us with a question mark as regards to the capabilities of this present board and management.

We did find a suitable replacement, we also had a replacement in the reserves. No-one here can deny they thought otherwise - the reason given for everyone being happy about Carrick going was the money and the fact we had two replacements already at the Club, i'm sure I can find everyone agreeing with that and calling it daylight robbery at the same time.

peterc

11th February 2007, 09:43 PM

We did find a suitable replacement, we also had a replacement in the reserves. No-one here can deny they thought otherwise - the reason given for everyone being happy about Carrick going was the money and the fact we had two replacements already at the Club, i'm sure I can find everyone agreeing with that and calling it daylight robbery at the same time.

Granted, Zokora has had an illness and has not been himself since, Malbranque is still not 100% fit. January transfer window what happened??, reserve goalkeeper, defender and a couple of young talents, but will not blend into the first team yet, due to inexperience. Where is/are experienced midlfeilders that we desperately need??, Davids gone( his experience and tenacious presence kept the team going) surely this leaves some of us thinking what the hell is going on??.

Spur

11th February 2007, 09:47 PM

Granted, Zokora has had an illness and has not been himself since, Malbranque is still not 100% fit. January transfer window what happened??, reserve goalkeeper, defender and a couple of young talents, but will not blend into the first team yet, due to inexperience. Where is/are experienced midlfeilders that we desperately need??, Davids gone( his experience and tenacious presence kept the team going) surely this leaves some of us thinking what the hell is going on??.

Who would you have had the Club buy during the January transfer window?

peterc

11th February 2007, 09:59 PM

Who would you have had the Club buy during the January transfer window?
Would have tried to bring one of the following:-
Mikel Arteta, Joe Cole, Sissoko or Guti.

Spur

11th February 2007, 10:22 PM

Would have tried to bring one of the following:-
Mikel Arteta, Joe Cole, Sissoko or Guti.

Firstly, 3 of the players are in the Champions League, so why would they step down to join us, and why would we buy in a player we couldn't use for europe?

Other than that, Everton's intentions in keeping Arteta seem quite clear, as do his for joining a Spanish club. We don't have the wage structure in place for either Cole or Guti to sign, let alone the transfer fee. Sissoko is yet another holding midfielder, who I doubt Liverpool would want to leave anyway, who wouldn't want to join us, and who we don't need as desperately as (take your pick) a left winger / left back / someone to drive forward and score goals for us.

So it's all well and good saying why aren't the people in charge buying players, but if theres no-one to buy how can you expect them too.

There were two players we definately made bids for during the window. One was Bale - who rejected us. One was Ashley Young - were you happy to sign him for 10mil? I wasn't, and I was one of those who made him a top target, but for 10mil? Certainly not.

MarlowSpurs

11th February 2007, 10:23 PM

Who would you have had the Club buy during the January transfer window?
Steven Hawkings, Stevie Wonder...............

peterc

11th February 2007, 10:52 PM

Firstly, 3 of the players are in the Champions League, so why would they step down to join us, and why would we buy in a player we couldn't use for europe?

Other than that, Everton's intentions in keeping Arteta seem quite clear, as do his for joining a Spanish club. We don't have the wage structure in place for either Cole or Guti to sign, let alone the transfer fee. Sissoko is yet another holding midfielder, who I doubt Liverpool would want to leave anyway, who wouldn't want to join us, and who we don't need as desperately as (take your pick) a left winger / left back / someone to drive forward and score goals for us.

So it's all well and good saying why aren't the people in charge buying players, but if theres no-one to buy how can you expect them too.

There were two players we definately made bids for during the window. One was Bale - who rejected us. One was Ashley Young - were you happy to sign him for 10mil? I wasn't, and I was one of those who made him a top target, but for 10mil? Certainly not.

One midlfielder I forgot to mention is Joey Barton (value approx £6 million). I understand that it is difficult to approach certain players, however, when other mid table teams have managed to secure players, why can't we?? I should have made it clear that the players I would have bought were prior to the season starting.

Spur

11th February 2007, 11:33 PM

One midlfielder I forgot to mention is Joey Barton (value approx £6 million). I understand that it is difficult to approach certain players, however, when other mid table teams have managed to secure players, why can't we?? I should have made it clear that the players I would have bought were prior to the season starting.

But that wasn't my question. My question was 'Which players would you have bought during the January transfer window?' Still the same arguments apply anyway you look at it.

Yes Barton has a 5.5million clause in his contract, and it's something I would jump on if given the chance. He's always a player i've liked, even if he used to be a ****, he has mended his ways somewhat now without losing his agression on the pitch - something we need quite considerably. When talking about him the other week we agreed he was a mini-Gerrard. I think he'd be a great addition.

Only thing is have we missed out on him? I hope not, but it was perhaps something we needed to do before the season, the whole PL want him now.

peterc

12th February 2007, 11:12 AM

But that wasn't my question. My question was 'Which players would you have bought during the January transfer window?' Still the same arguments apply anyway you look at it.

Yes Barton has a 5.5million clause in his contract, and it's something I would jump on if given the chance. He's always a player i've liked, even if he used to be a ****, he has mended his ways somewhat now without losing his agression on the pitch - something we need quite considerably. When talking about him the other week we agreed he was a mini-Gerrard. I think he'd be a great addition.

Only thing is have we missed out on him? I hope not, but it was perhaps something we needed to do before the season, the whole PL want him now.

Agree, but why did the management not bid for him??, they knew we had to replace Carrick and bringing in midflielders without Premiership experience can be risky, this has been proven quite a few times. I'm sure he would have been a great addition to our squad, a position that is causing our forwardline problems.

Spur

12th February 2007, 06:52 PM

Agree, but why did the management not bid for him??, they knew we had to replace Carrick and bringing in midflielders without Premiership experience can be risky, this has been proven quite a few times. I'm sure he would have been a great addition to our squad, a position that is causing our forwardline problems.

Your damn right.

The only thing is, the management thought we was on to a winner. We all did. Hands up who thought Huddlestone or Zokora would have played so badly lately? Anyone who does I will call a liar. It's no good blaming the management about not buying him or him when you agreed with all they were doing at the time.

peterc

12th February 2007, 08:43 PM

Your damn right.

The only thing is, the management thought we was on to a winner. We all did. Hands up who thought Huddlestone or Zokora would have played so badly lately? Anyone who does I will call a liar. It's no good blaming the management about not buying him or him when you agreed with all they were doing at the time.

Fair comment, but come on, do you really want to say that Jol and the rest of the management did not realise that things were not going to plan??, we once had 6 to 8 midfielders when Frank was around, we started selling some and got others in, what happens, problems start, is it the management or board who decides who to sell or who to buy??. It sounds like, how much profit is there?, sod the clubs pride and reputation, greed seems to exist, and that greed is the rot we need to stop once and for all.

Spur

12th February 2007, 09:21 PM

Fair comment, but come on, do you really want to say that Jol and the rest of the management did not realise that things were not going to plan??, we once had 6 to 8 midfielders when Frank was around, we started selling some and got others in, what happens, problems start, is it the management or board who decides who to sell or who to buy??. It sounds like, how much profit is there?, sod the clubs pride and reputation, greed seems to exist, and that greed is the rot we need to stop once and for all.

I think Ghaly was a Jol buy. I think Murphy was a Levy buy. Zokora was a Comolli buy. Huddlestone was an Arnesen buy. Your right in that we need to sort out who's doing the buying, in my opinion its one man, but Levy seems quite a hands on chairman, Jenas was definately a Levy buy. And lets not forget he isn't actually a football man - he's a business man.

to say that the the management did not realise is ridiculous. Of course that's not true. But what can they do right now. January is no time to be buying a selling big players, the two biggest transfers of the past two January windows are Walcott and Bale (although technically not a transfer i'm still counting it) two youngsters from So'ton. No team will buy big. Always an exception to the rule I know - but we are not the kind of team to break it.

In my opinion the Clubs reputation is the top shit. No club can come close. We're the only club in the black to run at a healthy profit bar none in the PL. We have a low wage budget compared to others around us and we are a well respected Club by those who are educated.

peterc

12th February 2007, 09:30 PM

I think Ghaly was a Jol buy. I think Murphy was a Levy buy. Zokora was a Comolli buy. Huddlestone was an Arnesen buy. Your right in that we need to sort out who's doing the buying, in my opinion its one man, but Levy seems quite a hands on chairman, Jenas was definately a Levy buy. And lets not forget he isn't actually a football man - he's a business man.

to say that the the management did not realise is ridiculous. Of course that's not true. But what can they do right now. January is no time to be buying a selling big players, the two biggest transfers of the past two January windows are Walcott and Bale (although technically not a transfer i'm still counting it) two youngsters from So'ton. No team will buy big. Always an exception to the rule I know - but we are not the kind of team to break it.

In my opinion the Clubs reputation is the top shit. No club can come close. We're the only club in the black to run at a healthy profit bar none in the PL. We have a low wage budget compared to others around us and we are a well respected Club by those who are educated.

Educated I am, to quite a high degree, but if you think that the economy of the club is more important than where we progress in the table, now I know why we are where we are in the league, it's all profit and sod the rest. A happy balance is what the true faithful fans want, not just profits, profits and profits.

Defoe8

12th February 2007, 09:59 PM

Spur

12th February 2007, 11:49 PM

Like Liverpool have the club badge in the tunnel with the words "This is Anfield" underneath it, which is the last thing players see before they walk out, we should do the same.

We should have the Tottenham Crest with the words "This Is Tottenham" or "This Is White Hart Lane" underneath it, it might inspire the players before they walk out onto the pitch!!

They should have enough inspiration around them when their getting changed and down the tunnel - gigantic pictures of Bill Nick doing his best and Yid's of the past are plastered up.

Spur

12th February 2007, 11:52 PM

Educated I am, to quite a high degree, but if you think that the economy of the club is more important than where we progress in the table, now I know why we are where we are in the league, it's all profit and sod the rest. A happy balance is what the true faithful fans want, not just profits, profits and profits.

Mmm, I'm thinking you've misunderstood me because i'm certainly not saying that it is the most important thing, it may be the most important but that's not something i'm saying. When it comes to the Club's rep it's very important that's what I was getting at.

The Club's reputation as a club can't be questioned. It's on the pitch where the doubt lies.

peterc

13th February 2007, 12:23 AM

Mmm, I'm thinking you've misunderstood me because i'm certainly not saying that it is the most important thing, it may be the most important but that's not something i'm saying. When it comes to the Club's rep it's very important that's what I was getting at.

The Club's reputation as a club can't be questioned. It's on the pitch where the doubt lies.

Well if the financial position of the club is the most important, it's no rocket science to conclude that this will affect the type of players we field. Sell for large profits and get in players on the cheap, or pay the high prices when we leave it too late. Zokora was quite well over priced for what we have seen so far. Surely, this reflects on the board/management.

JuicE

13th February 2007, 11:28 AM

We seem to be better than most at buying very expensive Lemons! :(

Spur

13th February 2007, 01:34 PM

Well if the financial position of the club is the most important, it's no rocket science to conclude that this will affect the type of players we field. Sell for large profits and get in players on the cheap, or pay the high prices when we leave it too late. Zokora was quite well over priced for what we have seen so far. Surely, this reflects on the board/management.

That's down to Comolli in my opinion. He probably knows it was a mistake now too. Zokora is just another Jenas.