A death knell

[spurs61]

Given our recent debate about football, loyalty, the influx of huge amount of cash and the advent of Sky. I thought you guys should see this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0tkwqhXTc4

[JuicE]

and chelski aren't helping much! :(

[MiloMinderbinder]

Tremendous vid. underlines the lack of heart and soul left in the game when compared with only 10 years ago. I for one am sick and tired of sky rewriting history like a Hollywood production company or Mel "****ing" Gibson:mad:

I heard the other day that Porto are trying to become "the 1st ever Portuguese winner of Europe's top prize", who the **** are they trying to kid, Benfica have won the European Cup (it's not the Champions League how the hell can it be the Champions League when they let in anyone with a big enough wallet) more times than Man U****ingnited for chirst sake. **** Sky **** the FA **** UEFA **** FIFA:mad: :mad: :mad: . Football for the people not for the corporations.

[spurs61]

I heard the other day that Porto are trying to become "the 1st ever Portuguese winner of Europe's top prize".

Huh? They won it a few years back with Mourinho as their manager?!

[Welsh Spur]

Spot on there KingKeane. I hate the fact there's a huge possibility we could lose the likes of Lennon and Huddlestone to ManUre in the next few years, how are we meant to make any progression when you know as soon as you unearth a good player they're gonna be snatched away? AARRRGGGHHHHH!!!

That's what I hate about football. And I hate ManUre since they took Sheringham from us when I was about 10. I cried that day.

And yes, Porto did win the CL about 3 seasons ago now I think.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Huh? They won it a few years back with Mourinho as their manager?!

so they did, did sky show it live, if not they will try and air brush it from history. I also resent the amount of football on Sky as well as their very presence in the market place.

Whilst I am ranting about Sky (evil evil evil) Richard Keys and Andy Gray are also the two least informed, ignorant, biased and anachronsitic "pundits" I have ever had the misfortune to hear, I even prefer Motson to them.

It's not just footy either with the Evil empire, the dumbing down of this country has been accelarated to the nth degree by this horrible blight on our culture.

The sad thing is they are only getting more and more influential and powerful. the recent spate of outcry in football regarding things like the brawl at WHL the other day or Ronaldos "diving" are entirely creations of Sky who need to fill 5 sports channel with inane chatter to justify their measly existence.

Oh and in case you are wondering of course I have Sky at home, which makes me a bloody hypocrite, but I ask you what choice do I have as a genuine football fan.

[Spur]

Yea good video and good points.

I'm too young to have ever stood on a terrace, but my old man will never let me forget that he used to climb the floodlights at the Lane to watch the game, that or get on his brothers shoulders.

[shoot_ffs]

i have to say i don't agree with one of the points, with regard to clubs moving out of cities to new stadiums. To say that this discourages or stops true fans going is a grand generalisation, and nonsense to say the least.
The old stereotype of the fanbase coming from the nearby streets and walking to games is 40 years out of date. There would be a percentage who use the stadium because it's local, but that would likely be offset at the new location, it's not like we're building stadiums in the outer hebredes. Clubs like spurs, know that they can increase their turnover by building a larger capacity stadium with better transport links, and that's progress. Would we advocate spurs stay where they are for the next 100 years and fall back through the leagues, not being able to compete for players and pay attractive salaries. No chance.
The film raises issues about the state of the game, which is fair enough. Nobody wants to hinder progress, but the governing bodies should have set up guidelines for maintaining the structure of the english football leagues, and once again they have let us down. The argument really is that there is more money than ever in the game, but it's going into pockets and not into supporting football at league level. Quite why we need to pay players over 10k a week is beyond me, a wage cap would be my first suggestion. The abolition of agents would be my second choice. We all subscribe to this madness by being mug punters every week. Any change will more likely have to be brought about by fan power, as everyone else has their hands dirty.
So what can we do about it?

[Spur]

The wage cap would just be ignored, that goes back to the time when players would have no-show jobs and double their money.

[hastingsyid]

Yea good video and good points.

I'm too young to have ever stood on a terrace, but my old man will never let me forget that he used to climb the floodlights at the Lane to watch the game, that or get on his brothers shoulders.

The shelf in the 80s you just could"nt beat it,win lose or draw the atmosphere in them days was fantastic.Footie violence was very naughty though

[Ioang]

1. Out of town shut off REAL fans? More like they shut out the lazy fans who can't be arsed. The real ones'll make the effort, surely?

2. People died because, with standing terraces, there can be no true figure of how many people are allowed in. Seating fixes this. It saves lives...and STOPS money grabbing corporate clubs cramming more people in. Its a natural limit 1 person to 1 space. If it saves just one life then I can't argue against it. It's up to us to create the atmosphere again, if we can!

[MiloMinderbinder]

1. Out of town shut off REAL fans? More like they shut out the lazy fans who can't be arsed. The real ones'll make the effort, surely?

2. People died because, with standing terraces, there can be no true figure of how many people are allowed in. Seating fixes this. It saves lives...and STOPS money grabbing corporate clubs cramming more people in. Its a natural limit 1 person to 1 space. If it saves just one life then I can't argue against it. It's up to us to create the atmosphere again, if we can!

I don't think anyone would dispute the commitment of our fans, always take the full away application and the home games are sold out 99/100. Plus the fact that WHL is the worst stadium in the country to get to illustrates the commited nature of our support. Having said that the chnaces of me going up to places like Blackburn just to watch a game of footy are slim to bulimic.

I agree with your contention about all seater stadia, a football match is not worth one life. However, the point about money grabbing clubs is rather moot point as we are probably the worst offenders in the country for prices, £71 to watch the Dinamo game **** that do they think I am stupid

[jrio]

.. Benfica have won the European Cup (it's not the Champions League how the hell can it be the Champions League when they let in anyone with a big enough wallet) more times than Man U****ingnited for chirst sake.

They've both won it twice, counting CL as a continuation of the European Cup, but Benfica have appeared in far more finals(7)

[MiloMinderbinder]

They've both won it twice, counting CL as a continuation of the European Cup, but Benfica have appeared in far more finals(7)

Prezactly, Sky trying to rewrite history to suit themselves again. How can anyone forget the Benfica team of the 60's, one of the all time great sides. Shame the same can't be said for a large proportion of many of the modern winner of the European Cup (it is the European Cup just like it is the 2nd division not The Championship or the 1st division), how many of those teams will be remembered in 50 years time as great. Only the Barca team of last year IMO qualify although maybe the Man U treble winners. I mean who remembers Red Star winning it and Marseille, as for the truimphant Juve sides, paint drying Xl is more like it.

[jrio]

The wage cap would just be ignored, that goes back to the time when players would have no-show jobs and double their money.

It could be applied as a percentage of turnover which ManU are widely supposed to adhere to purely as part of their financial discipline. Big clubs could still pay more in relation to their size, but it would stop Chelsea and others using financial power not derived from their support and stature to pay wages that would otherwise bankrupt them.

[MiloMinderbinder]

It could be applied as a percentage of turnover which ManU are widely supposed to adhere to purely as part of their financial discipline. Big clubs could still pay more in relation to their size, but it would stop Chelsea and others using financial power not derived from their support and stature to pay wages that would otherwise bankrupt them.

AS I understand it FIFA want to impose a cap that wages must not be more than 60 - 75% of turnover. Although quite how they propose to enforce this is beyond me.

[Spur]

AS I understand it FIFA want to impose a cap that wages must not be more than 60 - 75% of turnover. Although quite how they propose to enforce this is beyond me.

And anyone who thinks this would get past G14 is in cuckoo land.

I trust everyone has seen that David Dein has threatened legal action as to the suggestion of European competitions having a quota of home grown players?

It's not FIFA or UEFA that control the sport, it's not the fans either. Therefore something is wrong.

It would be good to see the wage/turnover cap introduced, if only to see Chelsea fold overnight.

[jrio]

Judging by Munich's disillusionment with G14, and the fear even clubs like Barca and Milan must have of Abramovich's funding of Chelsea, the other clubs will soon see that it is to their benefit. If not, wait until Chelsea start winning CL every year at a canter and then they'll come round.

The player restriction is restraint of trade and could not be implemented. EU has free movement of people and goods which would be contravened.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Judging by Munich's disillusionment with G14, and the fear even clubs like Barca and Milan must have of Abramovich's funding of Chelsea, the other clubs will soon see that it is to their benefit. If not, wait until Chelsea start winning CL every year at a canter and then they'll come round.

The player restriction is restraint of trade and could not be implemented. EU has free movement of people and goods which would be contravened.

Yep you are 100% correct on that point. However, if all clubs sign up to a slef regulating charter then they can get around it. Besides, **** the EU bunch of self serving corrupt lying ****s - oh right yeah that's the UN.

How about spreading rumour of Abramovich intending to run for the Russian presidency, that will sort out his long-term future ASAP;)

[mjbmedia]

why dont the rest of the thousands of european clubs tell the G14 and chelsea to go **** themselves.

football will go on without them ****ing up our national leagues. infact it will be better for it. let the g14 and chelsea and any other dreamers go off and do their own thing, sky will blindly follow them for a while til nobody gives a **** about the g15 league and carries on watching proper football between two fair sides

let arsenal man u, scouse shit, barca ,real milan go **** themselves . then we can win the league

[Welsh Spur]

why dont the rest of the thousands of european clubs tell the G14 and chelsea to go **** themselves.

football will go on without them ****ing up our national leagues. infact it will be better for it. let the g14 and chelsea and any other dreamers go off and do their own thing, sky will blindly follow them for a while til nobody gives a **** about the g15 league and carries on watching proper football between two fair sides

let arsenal man u, scouse shit, barca ,real milan go **** themselves . then we can win the league

I agree with this. I actually think the premiership would be better without Chelsea and Man United in it. They are the only two clubs who have daylight between them and the rest of us. The league would be a lot more interesting then.

[gazzaG8]

Very true we don't want another SPL