Do Yo Think

[wayne wonder]

:mad: Jol's tactically inept sometimes?? Granted he's worked wonders but if we wanna go to that higher level he's gotta start making big decisions and he cost us today and so did the ref who if i ever see on the street im gonna cut his head off!!! :mad:

I'm well pissed off but im used to being let down by spurs BUT i'll support u ever more COYS!!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

yes some of his decisions and constant swapping and changing of players game after game, even if they are playing well or scoring baffles me

[Spur]

The only thing I don't agree with is the constant chopoping and changing of Keane and Defoe. Other than that I can't believe that people have the nerve to question him.

On the future Spurs legends thread one name was missing from everyone's posts.


It was Jol.

[wayne wonder]

He should have played defoe and the hudd as zokora cant retain possesion and gives the ball away too much!!!

Get Clive Allen in to sort em out for ****s sake!! he needs to have more input that hughton

[highlander]

today was awful, tainio was bought into the starting XI because of his strength????????????, since when has he been stronger than the hudd. Defoe should have started as well

[Shuggie13]

I think he worked out his tactics. He's seen that everyone muscle the Scum out and the results that brings. Looking at the line-up I would have played Huddlestone and Davids instead of Malbranue and Tiano.

Yesterday though it didn't matter if Shankley and Clough spoke from the grave and sorted out the tactics and gave the team talk, we played appaulingly and that is down to the players.

[nuttyhotspurs]

putting tainio in instead of hudd was probably the biggest mistake. even more so than swapping defoe for keane

[Shuggie13]

I agree nutty. It made no sense playing two players not match fit (Malbranque and Tiano).

I know they are completely different matches and I haven't seen every match in its entiriety but Zokora has looked his best playing alongside Hudds in the early UEFA matches.

[shoot_ffs]

i can understand him playing tainio as i don't think huds had the speed to cope with their midfielders, but i would have played him on the left. Unfortunately zokora didn't tackle anyone yesterday so tainio had to withdraw to help, abondoning lennon and our strikers. It was very strange playing steed and lennon. Steed isn't fit let alone match fit and i still doubt he'll be the answer to our left sided problems. Defoe usually does well against arsenal, we needed two men or even 3 up front yesterday to exploit the space. it's not just that i think jol makes basic errors sometimes, but the other managers are sussing us so easily and it's making the games ten times harder to win. Jol doesn't seem to understand the teams strengths. ekotto, zokora, lennon, steed and keane want shooting for yesterday tho. berby never had anything to work with but had to lead the line.

[Spur]

Steed's had almost a month of football under his belt now. If that isn't long enough to get a run of form going fair enough, but not match fit? I don't think buy that.

It's all well and good asaying Huddlestone should have started now. I mean looking back at it I wouldn't have started Zokora, Benny, Lennon, Keane...hindsight is a wonderful thing you see. But still, on the day I looked at the team and once again said 'it's perfect'. I have no question marks about any of the players that started the match.

For me Teemu was one of the better players. I mean that's not saying much of course and he didn't even play well but he was still one of the better ones.

[fluke]

For me Teemu was one of the better players. I mean that's not saying much of course and he didn't even play well but he was still one of the better ones.

If of course by "better" you mean running around like a lunatic, getting substituted and making prescision passes to the opposing team. I'm in total agreement with you.

[Spur]

If of course by "better" you mean running around like a lunatic, getting substituted and making prescision passes to the opposing team. I'm in total agreement with you.

You've just described the whole team. Did you not see the whole team do that? Please tell me you didn't see the whole team do that? And when I say 'the whole team', I include Ledley King - who has never given the ball away whilst wearing lilywhite (slight exaggeration I know but the rule generally applies).

Now that we agree the whole team did that, and by me saying that Teemu didn't have a good game but was one of the better ones we come to a conclusion.

[fluke]

You've just described the whole team. Did you not see the whole team do that? Please tell me you didn't see the whole team do that? And when I say 'the whole team', I include Ledley King - who has never given the ball away whilst wearing lilywhite (slight exaggeration I know but the rule generally applies).

Now that we agree the whole team did that, and by me saying that Teemu didn't have a good game but was one of the better ones we come to a conclusion.

Touche! I think you've made your point bro.

people seem to love tainio. i just don't get it at all. i've had my ass kicked on these boards for saying it. i must be missing something . i'd take huddlestone over him anytime for any game.

[gbspur72]

Touche! I think you've made your point bro.

people seem to love tainio. i just don't get it at all. i've had my ass kicked on these boards for saying it. i must be missing something . i'd take huddlestone over him anytime for any game.

Yep don't get the Tainio thing either, the blokes a trier but i wouldn't rate him above Murphy.

[singapore spur]

if ever a game cried out for davids before the game then this surely was it , at least for the 1st 45 m . that along with dropping defoe would be the only criticisms of jol's choices .
the fact that the majority of the team played shite and without passion cant be layed at his door .

[spurs61]

if ever a game cried out for davids before the game then this surely was it , at least for the 1st 45 m . that along with dropping defoe would be the only criticisms of jol's choices .
the fact that the majority of the team played shite and without passion cant be layed at his door .


Yup!!!!! Agree with all of that singapore, except for the bit about no blaming Jol for the lack of passion; he's the manager, he gives the team talks, he spends all week motivating the players therefore he's the one responsible for the attitude of the side. Had only one or two player under performed and not shown any aggression or passion then that would be the individual players fault, if all eleven fail to show suffcient motivation then that is totally and utterly down to the manager and his staff.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Yup!!!!! Agree with all of that singapore, except for the bit about no blaming Jol for the lack of passion; he's the manager, he gives the team talks, he spends all week motivating the players therefore he's the one responsible for the attitude of the side. Had only one or two player under performed and not shown any aggression or passion then that would be the individual players fault, if all eleven fail to show suffcient motivation then that is totally and utterly down to the manager and his staff.

Exactly, there seems to be a view that MJ is sacrosant, he ain't, he ****ed up badly and what's worse he has been blaming the players today, OK they wre shit but you ****ed it up even before they got onto the pitch. spurs61, how long did it take us to say "oh **** wrong team wrong system"? 10 mins before the game if I remember rightly in my haze of fury.

[spurs61]

spurs61, how long did it take us to say "oh **** wrong team wrong system"? 10 mins before the game if I remember rightly in my haze of fury.

Yes, sadly this is true, three of us watched the game together, we've all been going to Spurs for 20 plus seasons and we all said "oh shite, he's got it wrong again. Badly wrong!" O h how I'd love for Jol to prove me wrong, just once. Said the same thing before the Bolton and Everton games.`

[JJ]

Touche! I think you've made your point bro.

people seem to love tainio. i just don't get it at all. i've had my ass kicked on these boards for saying it. i must be missing something . i'd take huddlestone over him anytime for any game.

Neither do i. He's hard working but he rarely seems to do anything of any real consequence. He doesn't score goals, he doesn't set people up, he's not that great at tackling, all i can see is the work rate. To be honest, we need more than that in a midfielder.

[JJ]

Exactly, there seems to be a view that MJ is sacrosant, he ain't, he ****ed up badly and what's worse he has been blaming the players today, OK they wre shit but you ****ed it up even before they got onto the pitch. spurs61, how long did it take us to say "oh **** wrong team wrong system"? 10 mins before the game if I remember rightly in my haze of fury.

Yeah but regardless of the starting 11, these guys are professional footballers. If they need someone to motivate them they're in the wrong career. As bad as the tactics were, that doesn't excuse the fact that they were pretty much all terrible. Poor passing, poor control, that isn't about tactics, that's a footballers basic ability to play football, and it just wasn't there.

[jrio]

Yeah but regardless of the starting 11, these guys are professional footballers. If they need someone to motivate them they're in the wrong career. As bad as the tactics were, that doesn't excuse the fact that they were pretty much all terrible. Poor passing, poor control, that isn't about tactics, that's a footballers basic ability to play football, and it just wasn't there.
Trouble is, you're wrong about this. Witness O'Neill at Villa with the same squad as last season plus Petrov. A number of criticisms under O'Leary are absent under O'Neill. Players are as mundane as we are, probably more so if you look at their musical taste. Games blend into each other. Some you don't have to try that hard but you need to be prepared to. Look how Arsenal have breezed through sides under Wenger, Reading being the most recent pertinent example.

Funny thing is, as a player MJ in no way lacked effort nor commitment and had a certain amount of skill. If he was in midfield on Saturday you'd have known about it, probably supplying the blood 'n' guts some require. But I think the player he's most admired has been Carrick, a player that always wants the ball and doesn't show his commitment in making late tackles.

[Spur]

Neither do i. He's hard working but he rarely seems to do anything of any real consequence. He doesn't score goals, he doesn't set people up, he's not that great at tackling, all i can see is the work rate. To be honest, we need more than that in a midfielder.

He certainly isn't a player who will take us to the next level, as much as it pains me to say it.

But then people are calling for Jenas to start and he only shows work-rate too (45 mins against Arsenal aside).