Match Thread: Ars*nal vs Spurs

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Welsh Spur]

Score draw for me.

I'm hoping Senderos is exposed for the pile of crap he is though. Then we can beat them. They only have class up front (well, available for selection anyway) If the whole team plays as it should we will beat them. But they need it and the form book goes out the window for the NLD.

[Mido11_pharaoh]

We can win only in one condition...if we play with the same performance we showed against Chelsea with the same appearance....with the same strenght....then we can make a good game....


Does anyone have any idea about the formation we are going to play with?

[Spur]

I have faith...as long as we stick with the same team that won the last or the team that won the one before that, then I think we can win.

I am starting to get extremely excited about this one as well now, the closer we get the anticipation gets bigger.

[dinamovistu]

We can win only in one condition...if we play with the same performance we showed against Chelsea with the same appearance....with the same strenght....then we can make a good game....


Does anyone have any idea about the formation we are going to play with?

if you play as you played ag chelsea, you will definitely win

[hastingsyid]

We will have thousands of yids inside the emirshites stadium singing like never before,all my fellow yids that went to the library last season will know what i mean,on our travels we are second to none.Give the same performance as we did against chelshit and we can beat these ****s.But a draw for me unfortunately....no **** it a spurs win,keep the faith COYS

[Indianspur]

we can only win if lennon,zakora, teeemu and steed play in midfield and defoe and berby.think keane and hudd should stick to bench for this one till second half

[neilmcnab]

i think the substitutes will be key in this game... dont know if steed is up to pace of this game yet...think davids will be involved , hope defoe starts...with berba, the middle will be crucial as the goons are very munipulative in midfield..they only take 2 or 3 passes to go forward into last 3rd, too soon for jenas, zokora and tiano/ hudd, maybe lennon frm the bench...as he really needs a break, but after his fine finish last week, maybe he up for it from the start,

[SSS]

Henry possibly not playing........would be a massive boost for our chances. Without him they are superlightweight.

[Gregzy]

if you play as you played ag chelsea, you will definitely win

If we played like we did against Chelsea even half the time we'd be top of the leauge. It is time to put both our travelling jinx and the Islington curse behind us on Saturday.

COME ON YOU SPURS!

[Spur]

Henry possibly not playing........would be a massive boost for our chances. Without him they are superlightweight.

Him missing would be a major psychological boost as well. Then again him nearly not playing and then magically making it in time would give them a bit of a boost as well.

[singapore spur]

im convinced we will win and quite comfortably .
i see it as 0-2 , defoe and berby again . bring it on :D

[Shuggie13]

Henry out. Our two Scum bogeymen gone (Viera and Pires). I'm a little worried about Van Persie.

We have to be very physical in midfield, Bolton and Fulham bossed them out of midfield. I'd play Huddlestone and Zokora. Lehman has been truely appauling at set pieces this season especially corners so we have to take advantage at every oppurtunity. Flamini should be playing left-back hopefully and will get fleeced by Lennon.

I honestly don't think they have the character to 'bounce back' after the two defeats. If Viera and Pires were still in the side I'd say differently. They have no leadership and their lucky charm looks to not be playing.

We need to show them they had no right stealing that 4th place for us last season.

[Welsh Spur]

We need to show them they had no right stealing that 4th place for us last season.

Well said. Let's hope we're all happy as larry come Saturday Night!

COYS!!!!!!!!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

Score draw for me.

I'm hoping Senderos is exposed for the pile of crap he is though. Then we can beat them. They only have class up front (well, available for selection anyway) If the whole team plays as it should we will beat them. But they need it and the form book goes out the window for the NLD.

senderos is suspended

[Gregzy]

I think Wenger is just blowing smoke up our collective arse about Henry - he'll be on the bench, that's for certain. The Nonce is well aware of the psychological power Mr Sportsmanship 06 has over some of our players because we gave him that card last time around. However, I'm sure Jol doesn't believe a word of the disinformation eminating from IMBLA (Islington Man Boy Love Association) and will be preparing the lads to face a strong Filth side.

Once again, it is "Squeaky bum time" in north London...

[spursmadnick06]

We won't be wearing the brown kit will we? let's hope not.

[Chewy]

Henry is to miss the match with a neck injury according to teamtalk.com

And other news is...jenas is back.

[JJ]

Henry is to miss the match with a neck injury according to teamtalk.com

And other news is...jenas is back.

I think it would be massively unfair to Huddlestone and Zokora if Jenas walked back into the starting line up.

[MiloMinderbinder]

it's (semi) official, Le Wonderful One is to miss the game, shame hope it's nothing trivial.

[spurs61]

I but the smug ****er plays tommorrow. It would be just like that vile club to tell the whole world he's not playing today only for the arrogant French wankstain to walk onto the pitch at 12:44.

COYS!!!!!!!

[MiloMinderbinder]

I but the smug ****er plays tommorrow. It would be just like that vile club to tell the whole world he's not playing today only for the arrogant French wankstain to walk onto the pitch at 12:44.

COYS!!!!!!!

Won't make any difference anyway we're going to spank the ****ers from here back to Woolwich.....................I hope:rolleyes:

[SurreySpur]

What time are we all starting drinking? This game is huge for us and i really feel we can get the three points, we can potentially play this arsenal team off the park.

C'mon Lads!!!!!!!!!!!

[mjbmedia]

result boss letting me leave work 2 hours early so i can watch it , yesssssss.

i hope henry plays and we still beat them and he breaks his ****ing neck ,not just hurts it , ****ing **** .

can we sign Steven?? Hunt for one game and tell him to use that knee of his on Lehmans nazi skull :D

i really hope we murder them

[Spur]

And other news is...jenas is back.

NOOOOOOO!!! NOOOO!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I actually want Jenas on the bench for this one. I said it before the Chelsea game and I will say it again now. Jenas always seems to get fired up for the big games. I don't know why, maybe he just wants to be loved by the fans but he always does alright.

[Spur]

Won't make any difference anyway we're going to spank the ****ers from here back to Woolwich.....................I hope:rolleyes:

Hope ****ing not that's nearer to me than North London. How about we stick them right in the Thames and let them drown?

[LedleyKing.com]

I think we stand an excellent chance of beating the scum, I think our current squad is one of the strongest in recent times. How much would we like to wipe the confident smugness off this french bastard?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6197666.stm

I say 1-2 victory for Spurs.

[nuttyhotspurs]

anyone know whos gonna be up top for us?

[\jackdaw]

Looks like Berby and Keano up front.

[SurreySpur]

That **** was offside!!!

[\jackdaw]

****ing ******s scoring from offside ..

[SurreySpur]

What the **** was wrong with Eboue? rolling round in agony, then jumps up to have ago at steed then down he goes again!! hmmmm does that ring any bells from last year??

[SurreySpur]

Zokora is having a shocker so far. We need to step this up or were going to get a right ****ing hiding.

[SurreySpur]

****ing ****, he got the ball.

[\jackdaw]

8/10 for the dive the ****

[nuttyhotspurs]

apart from first 15 mins or so. playing awful. fullbacks having a nightmare (it wasnt a pen but chimbo was woeful before that). decisions going against us today but thats no excuse for the poor first half.

zokora and tainio are being run ragged. first touch poor for both of them.

havent given lennon enough of the ball. berby left isolated by keane. but thats nothing new is it

lets hope for a bit of luck and better 2nd half. come on lads have some pride

[bocayid]

bottom line is ..we r playing like ****s..no passion,no ****ing drive ..as usual the ****s who wear the white shirt let us down..

do they know its a North London derby....y not start wiv defoe?....they have made us look like ****s..playing us off the park..ekotto is having a mare...our lads are strolling around.....can't beleive this..and I live in Islington...gonna b great tonight innit ..that what the players don't realise..how important it is to beat these ******s.....


**** **** ****ing shit.....they should put the brown kit on..then we can look like the crap we've been this half

[nuttyhotspurs]

i cant believe how inconsistent we can be. no i aint being ****le. its ****in annoying

[SurreySpur]

Im so ****ing pissed off. We got no passion, its all very well robbie waving his arms around all the time but he needs to get involved. Berbatov is always 20yards from the nearest player. This is shocking so far.

[\jackdaw]

Cant beleive the difference in the way we are playing today compared to the Wigan game. We need to get into their midfield more and hit them hard.

[shoot_ffs]

well the pen was a joke, you could see the ball pop out sideways but that's poll for you. have to say disappointed to see keane in the side today, he's always gonna drop deep so we're cleverly playing long ball to one striker. genius.
tainio is having to stay back as he's the only one who can tackle so nobody is getting forward. the scum have their tactics right and we are looking like getting hammered. defoe on for malbranque, jenas on for tainio. we did well against them last year as we had bite, zokora is too much of a luxury and we miss davids and jenas for their chasing.

[nuttyhotspurs]

y not start wiv defoe?....

my thoughts exactly, this chopping and changing of forwards. especially after they score is pathetic and even my 8 year old cousin asked why defoe wasnt playing after scoring that cracker last week. before anyone says we are trying to pack the midfield by him dropping deep, thats a joke we are better than that and are stronger than all the other sides that have come here to play out a draw

[RuFuS]

They need to stand up and be counted NOW :mad: :mad:

[nuttyhotspurs]

zokora is too much of a luxury.

zokora's first touch is unbelievable bad

[SurreySpur]

An early goal and we'll get back into it. Lets hope MJ has ripped into them at halftime and we see the same fight that we witnessed against Chelsea. This game is not over yet.

C'MON YOU SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

is it just me or does berbatov always look extremely pissed off and unhappy when hes playing alongside keane

[SurreySpur]

here comes jj and Lee.

[nuttyhotspurs]

here comes jj

good changes by mj. even lee cant play as bad as ekotto ...i don't think.

my minds gone blank now, how many changes can be made in a game?

[fluke]

really thought this was the best chance in ages to turn over the arsenal. outplayed and outcoached 'til this point. midfield ain't cutting it and ekotto is having a 'mare. too much tweaking for my taste.
going to have to kick the cat i'm afraid.

[denis-cro]

I´m ****ing pissed off!!! We are playing like girls. I was so build-up with confidence prior the match ( they even play without Henry !!!), but after 1st half performance :( ...I can not belive!!! I dont care if Reading or similar teams beats us, but this is Arse**l, this is not ordinary match, this is WAR!!! Does the players know what this match means to the fans???

[SurreySpur]

I hope someone breaks Ljunbergs legs, ****ing moaning bastard

[nuttyhotspurs]

I hope someone breaks Ljunbergs legs, ****ing moaning bastard

hes a faggot. i wish brian marweood the **** would shut the **** up

[SurreySpur]

I dont believe this

[bocayid]

a lot of the players aint got a clue what it means to the fans....they like all prem superstars are too ****ing detached from real life and the fans to know what it means....today they were a disgrace to the shirt.......nothing less...can take getting beat ..but to ****ing give in and give it up like we did today makes me sick to my gut.....

Jol needs to crack some ****ing heads later.....

no excuses,no hiding place....

[MACCSPURS]

You only get out of a match what you put in it.

Fact is, we played above ourselves last season and anyone who knows anything about football can see that.

This season we are back down to earth.

Shame though, would have been nice to record the first match ever played at the IMMIGRANTS stadium was a win to Spurs.

[denis-cro]

This is embarrassing:o .We are clueless all over the pitch:o I don´t care if both penalties were wrong decision ( clean tackle from Chimbonda on first one, and Van Pearsi playing with arm prior Jenas´tackle on second one) but we are playing like shit. Our away form this season ( not counting Uefa cup games) is the worst in history:o This is unacceptable...

[\jackdaw]

Played to deep
Bad passing
No passion
No pride
No comitment
Bad referee decisions

the list can go on ...

[SurreySpur]

Berbatov has been a disgrace today. Defoe came off the bench and has done nothing but moan. We have been completely gutless and im ****ing pissed off at the attitude shown by our lads.

[SurreySpur]

I dont think we can mention bad refereeing decisions, we deserve to lose this.

[MACCSPURS]

I've just been thinking...

If we had scored 4 goals in this match....

we would have won :)

[SurreySpur]

I've just been thinking...

If we had scored 4 goals in this match....

we would have won :)

brilliant insight!! what the **** are you talking about, weve just lost 3-0 to the *****'s and rapists. We were embarresed, r u actually a spurs fan?

[shoot_ffs]

atleast i thought we made a bit more headway with two strikers up front, we got the ball forward and the midfielders had somewhere to run. i thought berby could have worked harder but he had little ball or support to work with, zokora was absolutely useless today and we're starting to see the chinks in his defensive duties. jenas atleast broke the midfield. he made a mistake for the pen but to be fair him and king could have cleared it easy and the ref missed the handball. I hope jol starts learning fom his tactical errors soon as it was a wasted chance today. i still hate those dirty diving bastards tho.

[Spur]

First off, it's lucky I didn't go out.

Secondly when does the game start? I see Arsenal playing but not my team? Where are they?

If we are giving ratings out of ten the only players who wouldn't get a 1 are Robinson and Jenas. Everyone was absolute rubbish.

Robinson had hardly anything to do and Jenas actually had a shot from outside the box and run the midfield, kept it very neat and tidy and tried playing if he does that more often he's a starter in my books. It's about bloody time he played like that now lets see him do it in more than half an hour. Once he gave away the penalty (a dive) he went missing though.

Both pens were dives. I'm not joking if I ever meet The Rapist I will gladly break his legs. I'd happily do community service or jailtime for it.

Berba and Keane and especially LENNON, were absolutely ****ing awful. Not even King decided to stand up and be counted.

Words can't describe how I feel right now. All scum fans are scum for supporting a team that dives so much. Let's see Wenger mention the two dives in his press conference the ****in *****.

[nuttyhotspurs]

i aint blaming the ref and linesman for this one. ok they were shite and made poor decisions but even so we were terrible

ekotto and chimbo were woeful

tainio is not good enough to play for us. he gets stuck in but rarely wins a challenge when he gets stuck in. even if he wins or loses the tackle he looks like hes injured. get rid in january PLEASE

keane. ive lost patience with the way we play him. someone said zokora is a luxury for us. i think keane is more of one. we cant afford to have a player like keane up front for us. we are always left with one forward isolated when he plays. if jol wants to play him why isnt he either played in the middle or out wide on the left. if jol doesnt want to do that then leave him out

lennon. why does jol continue to switch him over to the left when things arent going our way? has anyone ever seen lennon play well on the left? i havent. lennon looks ordinary on the left and changes from one of the most unpredictable unstopple wingers to a player that can be dealt with so easily as he just cuts inside EVERY time

defoe. why was he left out AGAIN after scoring? why this guy "reportedly" wants to stay at spurs is beyond me.

benitez gets critised for changing his team every game. why isn't there any mention of jol??????? there was no need to change the team from the one that beat wigan last week. the defence speaks for itself (ekotto just had one of those games), the midfield and forward line was fantastic last week. WHY CHANGE IT??????????

I AM SO GUTTED AT THE MINUTE. CHEERS LADS FOR RUINING MY WEEKEND

[Spur]

lennon. why does jol continue to switch him over to the left when things arent going our way? has anyone ever seen lennon play well on the left? i havent. lennon looks ordinary on the left and changes from one of the most unpredictable unstopple wingers to a player that can be dealt with so easily as he just cuts inside EVERY time

Against Watford he played quality, had 5 chances to score just his finishing let him down. He did nothing in the first half against Clichy who did play him well so it was either take him off or switch him. I would have taken him off he played that badly and brought on Defoe then but we did what we did and it didn't work.

[MACCSPURS]

brilliant insight!! what the **** are you talking about, weve just lost 3-0 to the *****'s and rapists. We were embarresed, r u actually a spurs fan?

Let me get this right...

If I come on here and bitch like you lot this is going to change the result?

If I make a joke I'm not a Spurs fan? (strange since I am an administrator on this site and help set it up)

Trying calming down, then come back and post.

[nuttyhotspurs]

Against Watford he played quality, had 5 chances to score just his finishing let him down. He did nothing in the first half against Clichy who did play him well so it was either take him off or switch him. I would have taken him off he played that badly and brought on Defoe then but we did what we did and it didn't work.

didnt get to see much of that game. but the fact we drew 0-0 against them sums it up

[Spur]

didnt get to see much of that game. but the fact we drew 0-0 against them sums it up

No it doesn't tell the story. Just like we let in three goals today but they had only 2 shots on target. I mean we played badly enough to lose 3-0, but it shouldn't have actually been 3-0.

[nuttyhotspurs]

No it doesn't tell the story. Just like we let in three goals today but they had only 2 shots on target. I mean we played badly enough to lose 3-0, but it shouldn't have actually been 3-0.


ok ok so hes played well once on the left. now i will ask if hes ever done anything to change a game on the left? or make a difference to the result? is it worth sacrificing his ability on the right for the sake of another player fitting in

[wayne wonder]

That's ****ed my weekend up big time!!! A couple of my boys have already got into scuffles and i cant blame them after paying £250 to a tout to go and watch that ****ing shambles

[Spur]

ok ok so hes played well once on the left. now i will ask if hes ever done anything to change a game on the left? or make a difference to the result? is it worth sacrificing his ability on the right for the sake of another player fitting in

But then today on the right he played like he was trying to get the 'worst winger in the world' award. He has done alright on the left when needed. I think he should be switching during the game with Steed to be honest. But today on the right he was poor. If he has a quiet game then he is very quiet. Today he did nothing except give Arsenal the ball, all on the right.

[wayne wonder]

But then today on the right he played like he was trying to get the 'worst winger in the world' award. He has done alright on the left when needed. I think he should be switching during the game with Steed to be honest. But today on the right he was poor. If he has a quiet game then he is very quiet. Today he did nothing except give Arsenal the ball, all on the right.


I dont think we can play him away from the lane as he doesn't track back at all and goes missing big style!! we need a left back asap never mind a left winger **** me we're ****ed away from home!!

Van rapist does my ****ing nut and dont get me started on eboue and wenger grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

[Spur]

It was Reading all over again. Lessons get taught to us and we don't learn them.

[wayne wonder]

It was Reading all over again. Lessons get taught to us and we don't learn them.

you've hit the nail on the head there mate

[nuttyhotspurs]

If he has a quiet game then he is very quiet.

i agree. if the team plays badly, he is one of the main culprits. he only looks up for it at home. very frustrating :mad:

what do you guys think of the keane berbatov partnership? not just in this game but in past games and the future

[wayne wonder]

i agree. if the team plays badly, he is one of the main culprits. he only looks up for it at home. very frustrating :mad:

what do you guys think of the keane berbatov partnership? not just in this game but in past games and the future


noooooooooooo!! it has to be defoe and berbatov as keane keeps dropping off thinking he's f*cking maradonna

[wayne wonder]

lol what ****ing mugs.... typical thick as shite fan... loses and fights... ******s


I agree with ya mate totally embarassing

[suBerb]

a very poor game and a very poor Poll
the first goal from off side and the second from a dubious penalty

Zokora, Berbatov, and Malbranque were particularly poor. Unfortunately, new signings need time to start playing well week in, week out. We have to buy 2 top midfielders, if we are to be as good as the scum ot Liverpool. It's clear that Fabregas, Rosicky, Alonso and Gerrard are different class.

[denis-cro]

Ok, players play like shit, and Poll made wrong decisions, but I think Martin Jol is
the main reason we lost today:( ...

[Danishspurs]

Poll was absolute shit!! And so was Jol!!

What the **** is wrong with Jol? For the first time in this season one of our small strikers looked like someone in form, and the he's suddenly dropped on the bench.. If I was Defoe I would be absolutely furious!

JJ changed the game and was our by far best player. Lee did okay too when he came on. Rest was shit!!

[JJ]

We were poor, and any hope we had was sucked out by 2 cheated penalties.

We'll improve on it, and i'm not too disheartened as Arsenal didn't play any football that exposed us really. There is no proof there that they're any better than us, if anything they're aware that they had to cheat to put the game beyond doubt.

[deadleyledley]

Played to deep
Bad passing
No passion
No pride
No comitment
Bad referee decisions

the list can go on ...

the referee had a ****ing nightmare
poll is a ******
he was just making sure that he is not biased for us
just becos chelsea had a go at him, he gave all the desicions against us
jol is so negative away from home
why bring on lee
should have played 4-3-3
zokora is not with it
why play lennon on the left
that rapist (v.persie) is such a cheat
chimbo won the ball 4 the firsr pen.
rapist handballed it for the second

[hastingsyid]

Well theres not much to say about that is there my friends........................................... .................................................. ..........................**** SAKE

[nuttyhotspurs]

****ing Wank

[Billywhizz]

Totally pissed off talk about anticlimax from all the build up.

Right i'm off to get pissed and smash up a few gooners to get rid of me frustrations.

[suBerb]

Very painful defeat, mates. Still, I believe in this team. We are going to have glorious moments this season, mainly in the cups. I think that we'll beat the scum, pool and manure at WHL.

[JM_]

Very painful defeat, mates. Still, I believe in this team. We are going to have glorious moments this season, mainly in the cups. I think that we'll beat the scum, pool and manure at WHL.

Nice to see someone positive on here.
BUT the team doesn't deserve it today, again!:mad:
I actually don't know what to think of Jols striker picks. I don't see the point in dropping Defoe for Keane, as Defoe was excellent against Wigan. Give the rotation a rest, IT'S NOT WORKING!! FFS
And if any of you see Freddy the Pungberg, please break his legs. I hate that ****ing swede! The only time I cheered during the game was when Jenas made that neckswing, beautiful!

Now guys, let's play some nice football and score a handfull of goals against Boro as I'll be there to watch! :)

[wayne wonder]

I cant be arsed to go out tonight! im fuming still my phones not stop ringing the dirty gooner bastards:mad:

[Spur]

Again I can't believe people are having a proper go at Jol. I know and have said that the striker rotation is not on. But other than that I don't see what he's doing wrong.

When we are playing badly he looks absolutely fuming. He seems like he could go through someones wall with his head sort of fuming.

All the bad performances this year for me are laid completely at the players doors. Some more than others, mainly the midfield and strikers.

[Spur]

Again I can't believe people are having a proper go at Jol. I know and have said that the striker rotation is not on. But other than that I don't see what he's doing wrong.

When we are playing badly he looks absolutely fuming. He seems like he could go through someones wall with his head sort of fuming.

All the bad performances this year for me are laid completely at the players doors. Some more than others, mainly the midfield and strikers.

Like this.

http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=40428

I can't believe this thread.

One line says: We aren't a passing team at the moment, we certainly aren't a fighting team at the moment and very rarely are we the sort of team to show some passion and to close down the opponents.


For me that is all down to the players. We aren't a passing side because our players didn't pass to our players. This is why Jenas was good today because today he passed to our players. No-one else did. Even Ledley gave away the ball - that never happens.

I think the person who wrote that article needs a reality check. And he certainly needs to stop writing articles.

[MarlowSpurs]

And we still haven't ****ing won away from home yet

[fluke]

did they get fed lasagne again today. it was all so ugly that i don't know where to start. i would say that the forwards had to feed off of scraps today. i'm sure if asked they would say they would have been happy to even have had some scraps. never thought i'd ever be so happy to see lee come in. i think jol tried to outsmart wenger with too many changes from last weeks winning side. a complete disaster.

[jrio]

And we still haven't ****ing won away from home yet

More than that, we've haven't scored a goal from open play yet!

[Spur]

I'd like for someone to tell me how many headers we have scored from this season...?

It's just that Pekhart scored a hat-trick of headers whilst Arsenal were playing some team in white who still haven't arrived today.

[mjbmedia]

course its Jols fault, hes the manager and therefore takes the responsibility.

the players play in the positions and manner he trains and tells them to play in , ok in this match many played below par but we were still set up negatively instead of taking the game to them with passion he set us up to sit back which we are shit at doing. Changing Defoe for Keane was stupid,Berbs plays well with JD , they read each other better, he (MJ) needs to get off his ****ing soapbox and admit that rotating them willy nilly aint working. theres no logic or need to it, its not like theyre gonna be flagging or running out of steam ffs . Berbs and JD play better together, Keane and Mido ditto so why keep mucking it about.
end of the day MJ needs to motivate the players (all will need different handling from each other ) clearly there was no motivation before the game, a modicum of it at halftime, the main motivation came to the subs of JJ and JD but by then the damage had been done.

Sure the players have to perform but if theyre sent out in a north london derby and asked to be more negative than the weak opposition when they all want to go out and play them off the park its only gonna end up as it did .

it needed changing well before halftime but typically he hoped we'd hold out
1-0 down til the break so he could alter it then, sorry MJ this is England and things happen a bit quicker here , change it straight away when its broken, and it was clearly completely bolloxed after 20 minutes .
i can take losing, even 3-0 to the scum, but that performance ****ing disgrace it was everyone connected with the team can take the blame, we the fans have to take the shit monday morning whilst still paying your overinflated wages

[JuicE]

Our tactics were amazing. Sit back in our own half, Let them take the ball away from us easily, If not just give it away, sit back in our own half, get tackled, give the ball away, get tackled, sit back in our own half, don't try and get the ball at any cost, if you accidentally get it, give it back immediately, it's not yours! Pick the ball out of the net! Look completely uninterested and when the whistle blows, shake the scummers hands and **** off down the pub. :mad:

[SurreySpur]

course its Jols fault, hes the manager and therefore takes the responsibility.

the players play in the positions and manner he trains and tells them to play in , ok in this match many played below par but we were still set up negatively instead of taking the game to them with passion he set us up to sit back which we are shit at doing. Changing Defoe for Keane was stupid,Berbs plays well with JD , they read each other better, he (MJ) needs to get off his ****ing soapbox and admit that rotating them willy nilly aint working. theres no logic or need to it, its not like theyre gonna be flagging or running out of steam ffs . Berbs and JD play better together, Keane and Mido ditto so why keep mucking it about.
end of the day MJ needs to motivate the players (all will need different handling from each other ) clearly there was no motivation before the game, a modicum of it at halftime, the main motivation came to the subs of JJ and JD but by then the damage had been done.

Sure the players have to perform but if theyre sent out in a north london derby and asked to be more negative than the weak opposition when they all want to go out and play them off the park its only gonna end up as it did .

it needed changing well before halftime but typically he hoped we'd hold out
1-0 down til the break so he could alter it then, sorry MJ this is England and things happen a bit quicker here , change it straight away when its broken, and it was clearly completely bolloxed after 20 minutes .
i can take losing, even 3-0 to the scum, but that performance ****ing disgrace it was everyone connected with the team can take the blame, we the fans have to take the shit monday morning whilst still paying your overinflated wages


Nicely said Mate. I had hoped that the days of completely unispired,uninterested spurs players had passed. Your last paragraph summed up my feelings on ther performance, i can accept defeat as long as the players put everythig into the game, 100%.

[Ginola's Son]

Well

I went to the game and had to sit with the scum. And PURE SCUM they truly are.

The long and short of it is...

We were AWFUL

We deserved to lose!

But their goals were just bollocks!

We are getting found out away from home time and time again. And we had all our big names out, so we can make no excuses. Our away form is very worrying. It looks like its a cup run season for us. Just concentrate on getting to 40 points.

[MiloMinderbinder]

no I think MJ is tactically inept all the time I am afraid, he is a strategist and motivator but he is certainly not a tactician. Anyone with a basic understanding of the game would have looked at the team b4 the game and said "oh shit", what the **** was Tainio and Malbranque starting for neither of whom could possibly be match fit, it was obvious to me that Hudd was needed for his physical presence and ball retention from the off. And once it became obvious that we were being butchered in the midfield any manager with an iota of sense would have moved either Keane back or Chimbonda forward to counter the lack of numbers in the middle. Oh and how many times, do I have to highlight that Zokora is not good enough technically, how many times did he give the ball away in his own half. All in all they were from begining to end a ****ing disgrace, they owe us all an apology, but will we get it will we ****, I am afraid what you saw was indicative of the trouble with the club, how many of them gave a ****ing shite, I would hazard King, Keane and Tainio and that's about it, the rest of them are mercenary mother****ers content to pick up £30k a week and plod along

[Ginola's Son]

Oh, I would have played Steed, he looks fit, just needs to get some games under is belt, I would have played Edgar over Tainio though, there's someone who appreciates the big games.

It was a horrible performance, Keane and Berb looked out of sorts and even Lennon wasn't up for it.

[SurreySpur]

Was Lennon playing?;)

[dommo]

We got what we deserved. Nothing..
Zakora was so bad. I think he completed a pass to his team mates just once. Lennon was anonimous and looked frightened of Clichy for some strange reason. Not one tackle / crunching challenge was made in the entire game..it's a ****ing derby game against a team who can't handle being bullied on the pitch but we let them do what they liked....
Every time we got to the halfway line we went backwards to Robbo who launched it hopelessly upfield to Berby who was outnumbered and the goons just mopped it up.

No fight , no desire just awful. Their wages should be given to charity

[Chaydle]

I agree entirely with dommo, no passion or fight, a lot of teams have worked out how to play against the arse, press them and get tackles in, but we sat back and gave possession away time after time.

I see no point to Robbo and Dawson lumping it forward at every opportunity, we should never be a long ball team. Surely players need to read a game and adjust accordingly not play like robots.

We have always been thought of as a bunch a southern fancy dans, we are fast becoming such a team!

[Ginola's Son]

Yes, I can't hide from the truth this time and make excuses. We were bad, something needs to be done to halt this alarming away record. How can we bo so sublime at home and so pitiful away. We are thinking of the Euro games too much and not concentrating on the league. UEFA is important, but we need to get an away win. IF and I do say IF we can get 6 points in the next two home games, then it'll put my mind at ease as we get ready for a toughish xmas period. I'm at the Boro game tomorrow, we must show people that we aren't fast becoming a joke. We beat the dang champions for gods sake.

[choda]

no I think MJ is tactically inept all the time I am afraid, he is a strategist and motivator but he is certainly not a tactician. Anyone with a basic understanding of the game would have looked at the team b4 the game and said "oh shit", what the **** was Tainio and Malbranque starting for neither of whom could possibly be match fit, it was obvious to me that Hudd was needed for his physical presence and ball retention from the off. And once it became obvious that we were being butchered in the midfield any manager with an iota of sense would have moved either Keane back or Chimbonda forward to counter the lack of numbers in the middle. Oh and how many times, do I have to highlight that Zokora is not good enough technically, how many times did he give the ball away in his own half. All in all they were from begining to end a ****ing disgrace, they owe us all an apology, but will we get it will we ****, I am afraid what you saw was indicative of the trouble with the club, how many of them gave a ****ing shite, I would hazard King, Keane and Tainio and that's about it, the rest of them are mercenary mother****ers content to pick up £30k a week and plod along

I wouldn't say he's tactically inept all the time. I think that's very unfair.

However, he's misusing one of his best assets Robbie Keane. Keano is becoming a victim of being good at a lot of things and is becoming a tactical sacrifice. He's far too deep.

It's a bit like when Rooney played on the right of midfield for Everton or right up top totally on his own for England. Then the player often get unfair abuse.

And what makes it even more unfair is that both these players always give their all for the team and do well in any role their given. It's not their fault if it's bad tactics.

If everybody put the same effort as Keane on Saturday he would've actually been able to make an impression even in the deep position. All he got the chance to do was work hard and hit a few decent passes.

I agree that he started the wrong team. Zokora I thought was very bad aswell. He's been very in and out since the malaria. Trouble is he won't be dropped when he has a bad run. Why do some of our players become untouchable?

I mean Davids would make a much bigger impact on games the way Zokora's mostly been since the malaria. And on Saturday I'd definitely have started Davids. Maybe even Davids, Zokora and Hudd. I had a real feeling we could out muscle them and win. Not a team I'd always advocate but horses for courses and that.

We were out fought! Even Zokora and Tainio were bowled over. Neither stood up. Davids would've done and rallied everyone to do the same.

[dommo]

Away from home - we don't play to win.....

Can anyone remember the last time we really went at the opposition away from home. Really gave it a go ??? I can't

[MiloMinderbinder]

I wouldn't say he's tactically inept all the time. I think that's very unfair.

However, he's misusing one of his best assets Robbie Keane. Keano is becoming a victim of being good at a lot of things and is becoming a tactical sacrifice. He's far too deep.

It's a bit like when Rooney played on the right of midfield for Everton or right up top totally on his own for England. Then the player often get unfair abuse.

I agree that he started the wrong team. Zokora I thought was very bad aswell. He's been very in and out since the malaria. Trouble is he won't be dropped when he has a bad run. Why do some of our players become untouchable?

I mean Davids would make a much bigger impact on games the way Zokora's mostly been since the malaria. And on Saturday I'd definitely have started Davids. Maybe even Davids, Zokora and Hudd. I had a real feeling we could out muscle them and win. Not a team I'd always advocate but horses for courses and that.

We were out fought! Even Zokora and Tainio were bowled over. Neither stood up. Davids would've done and rallied everyone to do the same.

I don't think it's an unfair assesment at all, could you identify a time when MJ has changed the course of a game via a tactical change or substitution, I can't unfortunately.

As for Keane, I agree he is a victim of his own success at times, but I think he wasn't deep enough on Saturday. Essentially the Gooners did everything in the game that we should have done by hustling our players on the balland denying space for the runners, where was the bite, fight and aggression, we should have had 4 players booked by half-time, the fact that we didn't shows how little the players really care. You are right, Davids would not have let his team put in a limp, anemic and spinless performance.

[Ginola's Son]

Liverpool. We gave it our all in that game, but we couldn't live with them in the second half, but 3-0 was definitely flattering if you watched the 90 minutes.

I'm not rating Zokora at all, even Jenas when he came on looked much better then him. Huddlestone should have definitely started the game, but I don't think that change alone would have changed our fortunes. Poll was always going to give those stupid Penalties.

[choda]

I don't think it's an unfair assesment at all, could you identify a time when MJ has changed the course of a game via a tactical change or substitution, I can't unfortunately.

As for Keane, I agree he is a victim of his own success at times, but I think he wasn't deep enough on Saturday. Essentially the Gooners did everything in the game that we should have done by hustling our players on the balland denying space for the runners, where was the bite, fight and aggression, we should have had 4 players booked by half-time, the fact that we didn't shows how little the players really care. You are right, Davids would not have let his team put in a limp, anemic and spinless performance.

Well if he plays any deeper then you may as well play a midfielder because you're playing a different system. And a cold 451 hardly progressive.

As far as I saw it we were like for like but our lads didn't show up. United beat or match teams playing 442. You don't always have to pack the midfield
against a 4411 or a 433 etc.

And jol has done positive changes in games. Against Chelsea he changed the system during the game and it worked. Granted this year alot of the time I don't see the logic and then it hasn't worked many times.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Well if he plays any deeper then you may as well play a midfielder because you're playing a different system. And a cold 451 hardly progressive.

As far as I saw it we were like for like but our lads didn't show up. United beat or match teams playing 442. You don't always have to pack the midfield
against a 4411 or a 433 etc.

And jol has done positive changes in games. Against Chelsea he changed the system during the game and it worked. Granted this year alot of the time I don't see the logic and then it hasn't worked many times.

That was my point mate, he needed to fill in in the midfield to counter the 5 (at times 7) that the Gooners had.

We are not United! our midfield is bypassed far to easily by teams away from home, which is why we do have to match up like for like against the better sides particuarly away from home.

I didn't say positive changes (few and far between anyway) I asked when has he changed a game through use of tactics or substitutes and the Chelski switches were obvious to Helen Keller even before kick off.

Did anyone else feel sorry for BAE, he has been left so badly exposed by the system we play, i.e. no support coming from left midfield, Malbranque on Saturday was actually running away from confrontations leaving BAE with a 2 on 1 and caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Oh and Eboue is a horrible ****, did you guys see Toure telling him to grow up?

[Ginola's Son]

What, because he was mouthing off at Keano, yeah I saw that, we thought it might end up in a fight, but Keane never sees red does he

[olly27]

well thank god jenas didn't start...or it would of been all his fault! All the jenas bashers are raging they cant level the blame at him lol

[JJ]

well thank god jenas didn't start...or it would of been all his fault! All the jenas bashers are raging they cant level the blame at him lol

Jenas actually looked good when he came on. I would happily play him if he played with that energy and drive all of the time, but sadly so far he hasn't. Who knows though, this may be a turning point for him, god knows we need someone in midfield to pull their finger out.

[jrio]

Jenas played like someone who expected to start and wanted to prove he should have. He's too much in a comfort zone and is content to play within very safe limits. Notice none of his critics here pilloried him because that's the general level he's capable of but too often doesn't produce.

[neilmcnab]

a team should be picked on merit, if a player aint performin to a standard, in jj case missing open goals miskickin balls and not getin his head up to see clear thru passes, then why shud he be included un the startin 11, as with any player, he was pretty poor at the beginin of season and cost us many points, now he has the bit between he teeth, and he goes out to show the manager he shud be in the team, look at lampard not a great footballer but he has a shot, jus like platt not very good footballer but he gets on the end of things, with lamps he uses his shot to stay in the team, cos he scores nearly every game or sets up a goal as the keeper parrys his shots, thts the difference jj, sometimes seems like he just takes up a shirt, no shots no passes and back heels in his own area that lead to goal for opposition,

[Spur]

well thank god jenas didn't start...or it would of been all his fault! All the jenas bashers are raging they cant level the blame at him lol

Absolutely not mate. If he played like that all the time I would be a happy man. Just go back to my posts in this thread and you'll think I have called him the best player we had a few times. And i'm his biggest critic.

This game he actually passed to his own teammates and went looking for the return pass. He actually had two shots outside the box (although one ended in row Z). He even had a decent cross and a decent corner.

Top marks from me because all these things he hasn't yet done this season - or rarely at best.

[Ginola's Son]

Jenas's arrival was definitely the catalyst for an ok period at the start of the 2nd half

[olly27]

yeah you maybe right JJ..but are midfield looked even more suspect without him in it

[Spur]

yeah you maybe right JJ..but are midfield looked even more suspect without him in it

If you mean in the Arsenal game then yes. But if you mean in other matches as welll then no.

We've just had our two best performances of the season, one match with Lennon/Steed/Zokora and Teemu and one with Huddlestone in for Teemu. If they weren't our two best performances as a whole they were definately our two best midfield performances at the very least.

[choda]

Absolutely not mate. If he played like that all the time I would be a happy man. Just go back to my posts in this thread and you'll think I have called him the best player we had a few times. And i'm his biggest critic.

This game he actually passed to his own teammates and went looking for the return pass. He actually had two shots outside the box (although one ended in row Z). He even had a decent cross and a decent corner.

Top marks from me because all these things he hasn't yet done this season - or rarely at best.

That's exactly what I said aswell. We haven't been criticising him for no reason. He showed on saturday all the quality he could have but rarely shows.
Add that to the legs he's got and you have a proper player.

If he plays like that I want him in the team every week.

[Spur]

That's exactly what I said aswell. We haven't been criticising him for no reason. He showed on saturday all the quality he could have but rarely shows.
Add that to the legs he's got and you have a proper player.

If he plays like that I want him in the team every week.

It actually shows how much he was working that it was him that gave the penalty away. I mean it was a dive i'm sure of it, clipping his own ankle and going over but Jenas was there and more than that - he was goalside. Intelligence shining through when usually it does not.

We shall see tonight if he is worth his place, I hope.

[jrio]

It actually shows how much he was working that it was him that gave the penalty away. I mean it was a dive i'm sure of it, clipping his own ankle and going over but Jenas was there and more than that - he was goalside. Intelligence shining through when usually it does not.

We shall see tonight if he is worth his place, I hope.

Didn't you see he's out with an ankle injury and Davids is also out with an eye problem.

[Spur]

Didn't you see he's out with an ankle injury and Davids is also out with an eye problem.

Oh yea. Well it is a shame because this would have actually been perfect for him to come back into the 1st eleven after a decent half (of which he actually had two shots from outside the 18 yard line thus more than doubling his tally for the season!!!).

[mjbmedia]

what the **** are you muppets on about?

JJ plays like that every week ,just that this time the rest of the players were so ****ing shit that it made him look even better and therefore you ****ing numbskulls actually recognised what he does regularly cos you only seem capable of noticing things that stick out from the game like errors or moments of brilliance relatively speaking with regards to the other players on the pitch.
Hence on Saturday JJ played his normal stuff and stuck out like a sore thumb simpy cos all other spurs players were poorer than a poor mans wedding in ****ing Venezuela .ok

ps copywrite Guy Ritchie ;)

[Spur]

what the **** are you muppets on about?

JJ plays like that every week ,just that this time the rest of the players were so ****ing shit that it made him look even better and therefore you ****ing numbskulls actually recognised what he does regularly cos you only seem capable of noticing things that stick out from the game like errors or moments of brilliance relatively speaking with regards to the other players on the pitch.
Hence on Saturday JJ played his normal stuff and stuck out like a sore thumb simpy cos all other spurs players were poorer than a poor mans wedding in ****ing Venezuela .ok

ps copywrite Guy Ritchie ;)

Not a chance of that one pal. Absolutely no way.

One example would be a decent free kick ending up in the penalty box instead of for a goal kick. Corner's that actually threaten. A shot that had to be parried.

I'm going to give you a chance to give an example of any of these three instances. And none can be from the Chelsea game, another when he played ok.

[mjbmedia]

ok its like picking peanuts from a pile of poo!!

most every corner that we had a chance to score from but didnt due to poor heading/finishing , ditto that with the freekicks , as weve said before its not his fault others dont convert what he gives them when he lands the ball on their head and they feck up its not his fault .
and im sure he beat someone once in a match somewhere far far away and he regualrly gets back and tackles and covers for others errors and his won.

anyway im bored

[olly27]

what the **** are you muppets on about?

JJ plays like that every week ,just that this time the rest of the players were so ****ing shit that it made him look even better and therefore you ****ing numbskulls actually recognised what he does regularly cos you only seem capable of noticing things that stick out from the game like errors or moments of brilliance relatively speaking with regards to the other players on the pitch.
Hence on Saturday JJ played his normal stuff and stuck out like a sore thumb simpy cos all other spurs players were poorer than a poor mans wedding in ****ing Venezuela .ok

ps copywrite Guy Ritchie ;)

Couldn't agree more..a lot of people's analysis is so selective!

[JJ]

ok its like picking peanuts from a pile of poo!!

most every corner that we had a chance to score from but didnt due to poor heading/finishing , ditto that with the freekicks , as weve said before its not his fault others dont convert what he gives them when he lands the ball on their head and they feck up its not his fault .
and im sure he beat someone once in a match somewhere far far away and he regualrly gets back and tackles and covers for others errors and his won.

anyway im bored

I'm with Spur on this one. He's generally been thoroughly unimpressive this season, and his half against Arsenal he looked alot more up for it. He was running at the box, he actually hit the target with a shot instead of just scuffing it wide, and he was actually a box to box player.

I've watched alot of games this year and generally he hasn't played anything like he did on Saturday.

I don't deny though that his set pieces are better than most, at least Robbie Keane anyway (what was that about?), but i expect more from a centre mid.

[olly27]

well I have watched all this season and agree he hasn't been particularly impressive thus far however, he aint been as bad as people have been suggesting either. When we win and put in a good team perfomance he contributes to that performance, yet when we dont win he is always the first to be singled out for criticism. All opinion at the end of the day and we'r all entilted to our own but I for one would be more confident if he were playing tonight than not

[Spur]

well I have watched all this season and agree he hasn't been particularly impressive thus far however, he aint been as bad as people have been suggesting either. When we win and put in a good team perfomance he contributes to that performance, yet when we dont win he is always the first to be singled out for criticism. All opinion at the end of the day and we'r all entilted to our own but I for one would be more confident if he were playing tonight than not

Well i'm all for giving credit where its due, as most others are on here - especially seeing as how those who have been critical have all come out and said he played well when he has (Arsenal and Chelsea). We never won on saturday and he is the most praised player...so that puts one of your points to rest.

After saturday's performance i'd be more confident if he were playing! I just hope for tonight it is Huddlestone and somebody else in the middle at the moment i'm not fussed.

[Spur]

ok its like picking peanuts from a pile of poo!!

most every corner that we had a chance to score from but didnt due to poor heading/finishing , ditto that with the freekicks , as weve said before its not his fault others dont convert what he gives them when he lands the ball on their head and they feck up its not his fault .
and im sure he beat someone once in a match somewhere far far away and he regualrly gets back and tackles and covers for others errors and his won.

anyway im bored

No specific examples...I see - is that because you couldn't think of any?

Corner's rarely beat first man, as for free-kicks either over the bar or hit the wall (these are usually from further out) or overhit and out for a goal-kick(again from further out).

He does regularly track back but he also regularly watches a man run by him or just runs with the man watching him ala Barry, Reading goal (keep forgetting his name), but according to those who praise Jenas consistently they don't matter do they?

[olly27]

you hit the nail on the head! we'r not consistently praising him..your consistently slagging him!

[Spur]

you hit the nail on the head! we'r not consistently praising him..your consistently slagging him!

But only when he deserves it!!!

Which is practically all of the time!!!

[olly27]

spur i take your points, believe me I do, I find him frustrating at the best of times aswell. Its just everyone seems to slag him when the team performs poorly, my point is a lot of the time there are several culprits for a poor performance and should all be held accountable. You dont think I wasn't going mad when he missed that gift wrapped chance at liverpool which could of changed the result!

[JJ]

well I have watched all this season and agree he hasn't been particularly impressive thus far however, he aint been as bad as people have been suggesting either. When we win and put in a good team perfomance he contributes to that performance, yet when we dont win he is always the first to be singled out for criticism. All opinion at the end of the day and we'r all entilted to our own but I for one would be more confident if he were playing tonight than not

I wouldn't for a second suggest that our poor form is at all his fault, but it's easy to single him out. Defensively we've generally not been too bad this season, so it's easy to ignore the defensive players. The strikers haven't done very well, but they're not really getting the service. Who do we look to for that service? We don't have a left winger, so that's usually a makeshift player, noone will say much bad about little Aaron, which only leaves Jenas, who to be fair is meant to be on the pitch as an attacking midfielder.

It's harsh that he does get singled out, but most of the other players are doing their job more convincingly than Jenas. It's easier for everyone to point the finger at him.

[Spur]

I wouldn't for a second suggest that our poor form is at all his fault, but it's easy to single him out. Defensively we've generally not been too bad this season, so it's easy to ignore the defensive players. The strikers haven't done very well, but they're not really getting the service. Who do we look to for that service? We don't have a left winger, so that's usually a makeshift player, noone will say much bad about little Aaron, which only leaves Jenas, who to be fair is meant to be on the pitch as an attacking midfielder.

It's harsh that he does get singled out, but most of the other players are doing their job more convincingly than Jenas. It's easier for everyone to point the finger at him.

...and he deserves it.

[Spur]

spur i take your points, believe me I do, I find him frustrating at the best of times aswell. Its just everyone seems to slag him when the team performs poorly, my point is a lot of the time there are several culprits for a poor performance and should all be held accountable. You dont think I wasn't going mad when he missed that gift wrapped chance at liverpool which could of changed the result!

The funny thing about that was that when he missed my brother said to me 'there going to go and score now'.

And they did.

And Jermaine was still on his knees and everyone was screaming at him to get the **** up.

Funny that isn't it? No, I don't think it's funny either. It makes me want to cry actually.

[JJ]

...and he deserves it.

Well if he's not playing the role he's meant to be, then yeah he does deserve it.

If any player isn't performing or doing their job then they deserve to know about it.

[olly27]

I know it was bloody typical! do you remember davids reaction! He nearly bit his own hand off after that! He was really wincing!

[olly27]

so what you boys reckon on tonights game? SSN have us down for 2-1

[JJ]

so what you boys reckon on tonights game? SSN have us down for 2-1

If that is a 2-1 where we absolutely outclass them then fine, but our players should feel humiliated after Saturday and i'm expecting to see some serious performances.

Of course, this may be wishful thinking, but i felt humiliated and i wasn't even on the pitch.

I'll go for 3-0.

[olly27]

would be tempted to play hudd and malbranque in the centre tonight, lennon right, murphy left (hasn't had many games recently, i know) and berby and defoe upfront.

[olly27]

second thoughts may play zokora as he should be looking (i hope) to seriously redeem himself

[mjbmedia]

No specific examples...I see - is that because you couldn't think of any?


eh no its cos im not sad enough to write down notes every time i watch a game., so when a few months later im asked for specific examples i can give them. some free kicks get to their targets and then are messed up, some dont get there, ditto to corners.
if you want me to say v Fulham 74th minute corner from the right onto Dawsons head , missed the goal then i cant but i know theyve been many such dead balls taken with those sort of results else you wouldnt have joined in many previous threads on our missing such chances .


so dont get facetious with me sunshine , do you know who i am ?? :p

[choda]

How does it make any difference to judging his performance to how others played?

He just doesn't produce real quality play week in week out or we'd be saying what a top player. I don't know how you don't see the difference. It's absolute night and day.

But maybe you spend too much time looking for peanuts in poo.:)

[mjbmedia]

But maybe you spend too much time looking for peanuts in poo.:)
its an inteerr resting pasttime me old china