View Full Version : Match Thread: Blackburn Rovers vs Spurs
Neil_Vaughan
16th November 2006, 04:04 PM
Talk about the game in here before, during and after.
Spur
16th November 2006, 04:42 PM
I'm not looking forward to this game. What I am looking forward however, is seeing the Spurs play without Jermaine Jenas.
Hopefully, Steed will play and hopefully Teemu is back for some part as well.
highlander
16th November 2006, 07:30 PM
its a shame the Hudd played the full 90 mid-week because this is the perfect fixture to test his premiership mettle. it will be a hard-faught battle and someone of the hudds stature would be great to be in the team. hopefully steed will play centrally with Zokora
Welsh Spur
16th November 2006, 11:51 PM
I have to be honest and admit that I wouldn't be surprised if we got nothing from this game.
I would also like to see Malbranque and Tainio play some part. Also Zokora and Lennon making up for average performances last time around.
And a striker to score a goal! From open play! While I wouldn't be surprised if we lost, (Blackburn away isn't the easiest of fixtures, is it?) I'm going for a score draw.
COYS!!
Nastic
17th November 2006, 01:08 PM
I am driving up to blackburn from heathrow area & have 2 spare seats if anyone needs a lift from that area.(3rd year on the trot for this one i must be certifiable).Leaving aprox 10.30a.m.
mjbmedia
17th November 2006, 01:47 PM
time to start another run of ten unbeaten games me thinks
Welsh Spur
17th November 2006, 02:27 PM
According to 4thegame's injury list, we are the club with the most injuries at 11 players, including King, Lennon, Jenas, Chimbonda, Stalteri, Gardner, Davenport, Mido, Tainio, Malbranque and Barnard. All are out for 2-9 days or more, therefore all are out of tomorrows game?
Anyway, Huddlestone has a huge chance tomorrow. He, along with Zokora, Ghaly, Davids and Murphy are the only fully fit midfielders available. So he should start. An away win with Hudds in a starring role will see his stock rise and his 1st team chances the world of good.
gbspur72
17th November 2006, 03:55 PM
I'd like to see the Hudd get a run of games,although initially opposed to all the Jenas bashing i do think our Midfield has struggled all season so it will be good to see how a different combination gats on.
GOONHATER
17th November 2006, 04:13 PM
I think wee will sneak this one! Coz we can't play as bad as we did against reading,can we?
hastingsyid
17th November 2006, 04:49 PM
I think wee will sneak this one! Coz we can't play as bad as we did against reading,can we?
hope to god ur right there goonhater my friend
Indianspur
17th November 2006, 06:32 PM
hope ur wrong about the injuries and the match is not tomorrow so if the players are injured for 2-9 days hopefully a few will recover in time,
Indianspur
17th November 2006, 06:37 PM
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
actually there 11 players, but got a feeling lennon and malbranque will play some part and so will king as the date of return is the 19th NOV (THE DAY OF the match)
jrio
17th November 2006, 06:43 PM
King will play as we've no one else to play there unless Hudd drops back which Jol has never been keen to do. Lennon is much less certain and might only make the bench. I'm guessing Ghaly would start on the right in that case.
hastingsyid
17th November 2006, 08:16 PM
im on the fence for this one too hard to call......1-1
TomMcLaren
17th November 2006, 08:34 PM
im on the fence for this one too hard to call......1-1
We're going to get tonked again. 3-1. To them. At least they don't have Bellamy, the annoying shit.
mjbmedia
17th November 2006, 09:31 PM
Lennon JJ Chimbo Stalts Gardner and Davenport are out sorry to anyone i missed but theyre all in bar those
choda
17th November 2006, 09:41 PM
Is malbranque fit?
mjbmedia
17th November 2006, 09:50 PM
hes available at the mo tainio is a possibility too, available but borderline so decision will be made tomorrow
choda
17th November 2006, 10:00 PM
Cool, that could be very important.
Otherwise the midfield looks bit off with getting a good blend. Ghaly on the right Malbranque on the left, Hudd and Zokora in the middle.
Blackburn have no Reid or Savage and are playing shit. I see us scraping a toughly fought win.
jrio
18th November 2006, 01:43 AM
Malbranque won't be fit enough to be included whilst Savage may well start for Blackburn. That would mean either Davids or Murphy on the left. We won't be taking any risks with half fit players bearing in mind we're playing Leverkusen on Thursday and may have problems filling the bench.
shakey18
18th November 2006, 02:18 AM
I'll second/Third that boys!!.A 2-1 to the boys will do-with Keano notching 2!.
nuttyhotspurs
18th November 2006, 06:00 PM
Blackburn have no Reid or Savage and are playing shit. I see us scraping a toughly fought win.
they also have no pederson according to physioroom.com
JM_
18th November 2006, 07:34 PM
I'd like to see this line-up :
Robbo
Lee-Dawson-King/Dervite-A-E
Steed/Murphy-the Hudd-Zokora-KEANE
Berbs-Defoe
..and we'll see a win tomorrow 3-1!!!
jrio
18th November 2006, 07:42 PM
I think I'd settle for one of our players scoring a goal in open play, thus leaving Liverpool alone in not doing that away from home. Since Blackburn will have Neill and Khishanvilli missing in defence, and their confidence will be fragile after losing 5 in a row and not scoring at home in the last 3, we would profit from an attacking line-up, especially if Savage is missing.
Indianspur
19th November 2006, 11:30 AM
I see a close game and the time for berbatov to get a goal because he hasn't done anything for my fantasy football team!!
Welsh Spur
19th November 2006, 11:30 AM
I dont think anyone would see that coming either; us starting with 3 strikers.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 03:18 PM
Mido and defoe are up front with Berbatov and Keane on the bench.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 03:26 PM
Will we be wearing the brown kit again?
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 03:40 PM
robinson
lee
dawson
king
ekotto
ghaly
zokora
huddlestone
davids
defoe
mido
why does jol always drop strikers to the bench after they score?????????????????????????????
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 03:49 PM
Blackburn have savage and pedersen in the starting XI
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 03:55 PM
Blackburn have savage and pedersen in the starting XI
gutted!! but im more gutted we have lee in our starting XI
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 03:58 PM
and we are in our brown kit!!!!!!!!!
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 03:59 PM
and we are in our brown kit!!!!!!!!!
should of been burnt after the last game. i cant believe people actually bought it lmao
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 04:14 PM
Who decided Brown would ever be a good colour for a Spurs shirt anyway... they should be shot !!
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:25 PM
****in hell what can you do. unbelievable hit
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:26 PM
That is some ****ing strike!! I dont think i'll blame robbo for that long range goal. At the end of this season the Premier league should release a 101 best goals of 2006/7 and most of them will be against us!!
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 04:27 PM
FFS Tuguy with a belter, how many wonder goals is that scored against us this year ?
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 04:27 PM
How many more teams are going to ****ing score from long range efforts against us this season. Its getting ****ing ridiculous.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:27 PM
i agree you cant do anything about goals like that. lets just hope the lads dont give up like last week
hastingsyid
19th November 2006, 04:29 PM
Groundhog day.....FFS
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:32 PM
The midfield is being completely over-run again.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:33 PM
Mj should think about taking Mido off coz he'll end up being sent off soon
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:42 PM
yea he will lose his head again before the 90 is up. zokora and huddlestones first touch in the middle is abysmal. why are they both playing a holding role ffs
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 04:44 PM
I hope to god we sell or give away Y.P. Lee soon cause everytime the ball goes near him I shit myself wondering what the hell he's going to do
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:46 PM
Over the last 12months i have not been defoe's biggest fan, but today he has put in more blokes and tackles than the whole of the midfield.
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 04:49 PM
Agreed Mido should definately be taken off
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:52 PM
defoe has worked harder than anyone else today. hes constantly chasing it as hes gettin **** all service.
mido should of done better with his chances. awesome run by davids. woeful shot by mido
at least we havent caved in like last week
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 04:53 PM
Didnt see at start but who we got on the bench?
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:53 PM
This game is still there for us but zokora and huddlestone need to step up and get stuck in, they dont seem to have any understanding. Ghaly needs to come off for malbranque, ghaly's constant moaning is starting to piss me off, also malbranque could get the better of gray on the right of midfield.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:54 PM
Didnt see at start but who we got on the bench?
berby, keano, murphy and steed
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:54 PM
Didnt see at start but who we got on the bench?
Cerny, Keane, berbatov, murphy, malbranque
shoot_ffs
19th November 2006, 04:55 PM
we look well disjounted like we have no game plan. rovers width is making hard to close them down and mcarthy looks useful. huddlestone and zokora don't seem to understand getting forward and my guess is keane will come on for mido and he'll brig the midfielders in to play. Come on defoe we need one.
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 04:55 PM
Berby for Mido and Steed for Davids
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 04:56 PM
Ghaly off for Steed and mido off for berby
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:57 PM
This game is still there for us but zokora and huddlestone need to step up and get stuck in, they dont seem to have any understanding. Ghaly needs to come off for malbranque, ghaly's constant moaning is starting to piss me off, also malbranque could get the better of gray on the right of midfield.
yea the central midfield partnership doesnt look good at the minute it looks like they arent sure what each ones job is. i dont think it would be a bad idea bringin either murphy or steed on. davids has been our best midfielder by far
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 04:57 PM
Berby for Mido and Steed for Davids
davids off??? what game are you watching??
laspur
19th November 2006, 04:58 PM
Jol needs to sort Zoko and Hudds out cause their both holding atm, Zoko needs to attack the gut to expose blackburn, overall were still in it, need to put one away though.
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 04:59 PM
Yes Davids is having a good game but can he keep it up for 90 mins ?
JM_
19th November 2006, 05:00 PM
This game is still there for us but zokora and huddlestone need to step up and get stuck in, they dont seem to have any understanding. Ghaly needs to come off for malbranque, ghaly's constant moaning is starting to piss me off, also malbranque could get the better of gray on the right of midfield.
I agree with you on Ghaly. MJ could stick him in the reserves or something! And I'd like to see Malbranque play... And Berbatov for Mido after 55mins if nothing happens. And Keane for Zokora/Huddlestone a few minutes later, to play in the hole behind the strikers! Defoe's going to score!
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:00 PM
maybe not but he can keep it up for 70 75
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 05:02 PM
maybe not but he can keep it up for 70 75
Aye thats what I meant, not a great believer in making wholesale changes at halftime, prolly good around the 65th minute mark.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:02 PM
Were going to turn this one round, 3-1 to the Spurs. and robbie savage to get a right hiding by the hudd. I ****ing hate that blonde tosser.
SCIFIN17YID
19th November 2006, 05:02 PM
Was playing the godfather game damn thats excellent, watched the spurs game a little late, just on a smoke break and doing some uploading and checking out my fav forum, well my comments from the game, i agree LEE needs to go, pffft he is so weak on the ball, as for mido, if he doe's not get replaced with another player i think another yellow card will come his way, and a suspention, put in keane for mido, and rest dm9 imo, I think we can take these guys, we just need more strength in the mid field and keane up the front to work some magic. well i better get back to the sky and watch this game, I hope we damn win ffs.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:05 PM
Aye thats what I meant, not a great believer in making wholesale changes at halftime, prolly good around the 65th minute mark.
you were right anyway mate. hes off at half time. davids will be off back to holland in january i reckon he aint gona be happy bout that
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 05:07 PM
Davids is running around the pitch like his arse is on fire. He's having a good game
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:10 PM
**** i thought that was a goal
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:18 PM
Surely Keano and berby will be on soon
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:19 PM
Surely Keano and berby will be on soon
yea we are gona have to go all out soon
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 05:22 PM
**** off tugay
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:23 PM
Get In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:24 PM
cracking penalty jd get in. ****in come on lads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:24 PM
Lets go and win this one now
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 05:24 PM
Penalty yes ... sending off no
SCIFIN17YID
19th November 2006, 05:25 PM
w00000000t they fouled ghally the tugi dude, ref sent him off, we go a penalty j.defoe took it and scored w00000t spurs 1 - blackburn 1 :D come on you spurs they got 11 men we must smash them now, mido out keane in come on mj.
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 05:25 PM
Still no away goal in open play yet come on
SCIFIN17YID
19th November 2006, 05:25 PM
Penalty yes ... sending off no
Who care's buddy class that as a bonus :S coyyyyyyyyyssssss
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 05:27 PM
This is going to get nasty this game I can see a few more bookings and sending off.
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 05:29 PM
This is going to get nasty this game I can see a few more bookings and sending off.
As long as its that blonde hair ****** Savage I'll be happy.
Mido was so ****ing lucky then it was unreal ..
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:30 PM
Ive got a horrible feeling the ref will try to even this up
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:33 PM
how the **** was gray not booked??
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:35 PM
come on get keane or berby on
jrio
19th November 2006, 05:36 PM
Christ, Lee is utter pants. He's gotta be bad when you start wishing Stalteri had been fit.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:41 PM
its 10 v 10 anyway. where the **** is malbranque????????
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:42 PM
This is a game we can go on and win, why is MJ not being pro-active? Bring on Robbie FFS
jrio
19th November 2006, 05:46 PM
This should be interesting - Berbatov and Mido.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:48 PM
what a complete shite end to the game and they are down to 10 men. andy gray is right for once. we have been so unadventurous.
defoe should leave us for the sake of his career
\jackdaw
19th November 2006, 05:48 PM
Personally would of taken off Mido and put Berby with Defoe
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:55 PM
I told u guys it would happen, he was always going to even it up. ****ing Blackburn ******s. What a bunch of ****s. someone break savages legs
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 05:57 PM
I told u guys it would happen, he was always going to even it up. ****ing Blackburn ******s. What a bunch of ****s. someone break savages legs
it was pretty predictable wasnt it! its a given these days isnt it?
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 05:57 PM
How on earth was that a sending off?? Michael gray is a c**t
denis-cro
19th November 2006, 05:58 PM
What an awful team we are:mad:
I think that MJ should be sacked!!!!!!!!!!!
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 06:00 PM
I think that MJ should be sacked!!!!!!!!!!!
his decision making was poor today but saying he should be sacked is probably the stupidest thing ive heard all season. grow a ****in brain mate
SCIFIN17YID
19th November 2006, 06:02 PM
his decision making was poor today but saying he should be sacked is probably the stupidest thing ive heard all season. grow a ****in brain mate
Fu"ck me mate well said. if only we had a mute button, could mute people like that = denis-cro.
Thfc4Life
19th November 2006, 06:04 PM
This is what I have said for ages now, Martin Jol is far too negative minded and is not a proactive manager. This match was a prime example, it was there for the taking once they had a player sent off yet we are happy to settle for a point!!
Do you think for 1 minute that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger et al would have kept it the same and been happy with the point?? No chance!! they would have brought another striker on, taken a full back off and gone on to win the game!! why keep four at the back when Blackburn only had 1 upfront?? :confused:
MACCSPURS
19th November 2006, 06:04 PM
Blackburn are a terrible team to watch regardless of whoever they are playing so I am not suprised to match was dull.
The problem we have at the moment is some of players just don't care and that is probably because Martin just keeps changing the team every week.
Blackburn should have had a penalty, what was Mido doing but then again I love the way Mido gets stuck in.
Ours was a penalty but Tugay was unlucky to be sent off
Ghaly was and should have been sent off for that tackle, it is not about the impact, it is about intent, YOU CANNOT RAISE YOUR ARMS IN A TACKLE and anyone who plays local football should know this so anyone saying it should not have been sent off has no clue about the game.
On the brightside, at least we did not lose...
I knew this season would be like this. Expectations are just far too high for the squad that we have at the moment.
Oh yeah, one other thing, some of the goals we have conceeded this season have been pretty good and would beat most keepers. Tugay will never hit a volley as good as that again this season.
shoot_ffs
19th November 2006, 06:05 PM
well the incredibly negative mr jol strikes again. i just don't understand the guy.
We have no bite except for davids in the first half. he should have brought him inside, and binned hudds or zokora who were equally poor. With them down to ten men, get keane and berby and win the game. Did anyone know if malbranque touched the ball. Clearly unfit. Then he takes defoe off who was our best player, which isn't saying much.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 06:06 PM
why keep four at the back when Blackburn only had 1 upfront?? :confused:
he did that for 75 mins against everton at home if you remember. i don't understand what goes through his head
i thought ekotto had his best game for us today. our motm in my opinion
Mido11_pharaoh
19th November 2006, 06:06 PM
well....Ghaly's performance was the best in da second half....Mido WAS NOT good at all .....but I think he has reasons for his bad performance....5 matches left he didn't play....g/d didn't play well...but in the second half all the team players changed the way that game was going to be.....I was surprised to see edgar davids going out...
spursmadnick06
19th November 2006, 06:09 PM
Too negative imo. You'd never have guessed we were one man up. Why take off Defoe?
jrio
19th November 2006, 06:10 PM
This is what I have said for ages now, Martin Jol is far too negative minded and is not a proactive manager. This match was a prime example, it was there for the taking once they had a player sent off yet we are happy to settle for a point!!
Do you think for 1 minute that Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger et al would have kept it the same and been happy with the point?? No chance!! they would have brought another striker on, taken a full back off and gone on to win the game!! why keep four at the back when Blackburn only had 1 upfront?? :confused:
No, they wouldn't - when have you seen them do that? Striker for defensive midfielder maybe. We didn't take control of the midfield when they had 10 men and they seemed to have more possession. Taking Lee off could well have resulted in conceding a goal like we did last week.
How is Jol not proactive when Malbranque came on after halftime? He's usually quick to change the team when we're behind.
Zokora is noticeably still going down when he's not been fouled - so much for Spur's assertion that he'd been fined a week's wages.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 06:17 PM
i think it was just a woeful performance by the midfield today with the exception of davids who was unlucky to be taken off at ht.
mido snatched at a few chances and jd ran around again working off scraps. as i said before he needs to move to save his career
jrio
19th November 2006, 06:25 PM
Yeah, we don't create decent chances and have no one who shoots accurately from over 20 yards. With over a third of the season gone we're level with City whose manager's job was being talked about as at risk. Will those forumers who still insisted we can take fourth place now wake up and smell the coffee? As I have said before we're unlikely to dramatically improve and there are no signs of our strikers getting on a run of scoring. We do have a run of games in early to mid-December where we should be looking for at least 10 out of 12 points.
nuttyhotspurs
19th November 2006, 06:33 PM
yea lets hope theres a repeat of last xmas we had a good run if i remember rightly. i hope december is good to us. it will make or break our season
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 06:53 PM
Blackburn are a terrible team to watch regardless of whoever they are playing so I am not suprised to match was dull.
The problem we have at the moment is some of players just don't care and that is probably because Martin just keeps changing the team every week.
Blackburn should have had a penalty, what was Mido doing but then again I love the way Mido gets stuck in.
Ours was a penalty but Tugay was unlucky to be sent off
Ghaly was and should have been sent off for that tackle, it is not about the impact, it is about intent, YOU CANNOT RAISE YOUR ARMS IN A TACKLE and anyone who plays local football should know this so anyone saying it should not have been sent off has no clue about the game.
On the brightside, at least we did not lose...
I knew this season would be like this. Expectations are just far too high for the squad that we have at the moment.
Oh yeah, one other thing, some of the goals we have conceeded this season have been pretty good and would beat most keepers. Tugay will never hit a volley as good as that again this season.
I played at semi-pro level for seven years and these sort of challenges happened all the time, i've been caught with fore arms and elbows and it ****ing hurts!! Yet Michael gray was in perfect health to collect his Man Of The Match award from Sky Sports, no cut, no mark whatsoever!! He wasn't even made to leave the pitch by the ref after 'treatment'. I have a bit of a clue about football and Ghaly was sent off because overly aggressive in his run up and michael gray saw an opportunity, add that to the fact that the ref was always going to even things up. Blackburns Gamesmanship needs looking at, Savage continuenly harrassing the ref was appalling.
shakey18
19th November 2006, 07:09 PM
Just heard a so-called Spurs fan call for Martin Jol to be sacked on 606.FOR ****S SAKE.No wonder us yids get painted as being so fickle.Ok we're all dissapointed with the result today, but sack Jol?.Talk about over-reacting.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 07:12 PM
Blackburn are an energetic, tricky and physical team to play against. They dont stop running and make it hard for any away team. To say MJ should be sacked coz we didnt win this one is complate bullshit.
neilmcnab
19th November 2006, 07:16 PM
martin jol is learning the ropes ..he needs time but now there is great expectancy from the supporters..so wid that u get pressure...were a long way off bein a consistant team..but players like hudds and ekotto, davs.and zakora will learn a lot and benefit alot from these games...i think the best we can hope for is top 6/7,now and thats dependant on who we go for in jan...we do have a big squad, but a lot of players arnt able to make an impact,
Spur
19th November 2006, 07:34 PM
I never saw the game as I was travelling I listened to it and it sounded like we were outplayed against 10 and 11 men. Will try to catch the game when it's repeated 2moro but answer me this...how did Steed play? Me old man says he hardly touched the ball at all?
Expecting big things from him after initially being extremely confused by his signing, actually no wait I am still confused by his signing but am expecting big things nonetheless.
SurreySpur
19th November 2006, 07:43 PM
He looked like he didn't really know what his role was, but that was the case for the whole of the midfield.
neilmcnab
19th November 2006, 07:46 PM
ur old man was rite he never realy got involved and hardly touched ball...he needs games...the ball was like a hot potatoe today for us..blackburn were comfartable all day on ball, mido had 3 oppertunities in 1st half to shoot on target tody and mis hit the ball 3 times...the last 1, set up by davids , after beating 3 players put it on a plate in his path and he hurried and scuffed from edge of 18yd..when he cud of tok it in his stride and enter the box an picked his spot..after all he is a striker..that is wat strikers do..isnt it???
neilmcnab
19th November 2006, 07:51 PM
He looked like he didn't really know what his role was, but that was the case for the whole of the midfield.
i agree and think our poor form is linked to poor coaching methods/practices, we dont seem to know what to do in many situations..defoe runs..but hardly gets the ball...altho davids looked for him,we hit this long diagonal to mido then what? on a plus benny seems to find his forwards very easily..and his midfielders too...but lee doesnt seem to no wat to do wen he has the ball...
Spur
19th November 2006, 07:59 PM
i agree and think our poor form is linked to poor coaching methods/practices, we dont seem to know what to do in many situations..defoe runs..but hardly gets the ball...altho davids looked for him,we hit this long diagonal to mido then what? on a plus benny seems to find his forwards very easily..and his midfielders too...but lee doesnt seem to no wat to do wen he has the ball...
I think it's completely down to the players. We have four quality strikers none of which are scoring - you cannot blame coaching for missed chanes.
We have a midfield who are completely sporadic in form. We could go a long time without making a chance then 3 come along at once.
The defence is top notch. But if the midfield keep letting them get attacked the opposition will score. We cannot always rely on the fact that our defence is strong.
All of this is not based on today's performance as I haven't seen it but the season in general. Indeed last season as well.
sundancer
19th November 2006, 08:42 PM
Just heard a so-called Spurs fan call for Martin Jol to be sacked on 606.FOR ****S SAKE.No wonder us yids get painted as being so fickle.Ok we're all dissapointed with the result today, but sack Jol?.Talk about over-reacting.
Yes I heard the same idiot unbelievable!!, I thought that m.j. was wrong with his decisions today but I still believe he is the right man to take us forward.:mad:
JM_
19th November 2006, 08:57 PM
To all fickle fans calling for Jol to be sacked: Think of Evertons position last season before Xmas. Playing bad and a "safe" bet for relegation. But then something happened and they bounced back and were one of the strongest teams after New year! And they still have the same manager and are doing quite well, unfortunately... Lets not give up hope yet!
BUT that said I still think we need to let the team know we aren't happy with their performance. And why was Jol having a go at the ref when the game was over... FFS :mad:
I think we need to start putting some players up for transfer (Ghaly, Lee...). Yeah, so Ghaly has got us two penalties, and what else? ****ing nothing. Just hope Teemu will be fit for the Arsenal game, because we need some heart and fighting spirit to the midfield! Zokora was terrible today, specially in the second half.
I don't think we should be to harsh on Malbranque yet as he's got some way to get 100% matchfit
COYS!
choda
19th November 2006, 09:39 PM
Well I place most of the blame for todays non-win at Mj's door. To say he should be sacked however is absolute knee jerk stupidity.
I sat down today to watch the game (on flfooty because the telly out), saw who was on the pitch and immeditately went, 'I don't like this'.
In midfield three guys who are primarely defensive midfielders or build up players and ghaly who's not a total wide man.
Up front in a tough game he leaves out our best two strikers. I could understand Keane and Mido given Berbs mixed form as he settle to the prem, but not the useless midget with Mido.
Blackburn away you play your strongest available eleven and you try your best to get the blend right in midlfield. He didn't do that. Why not start Murphy on the left and play Davids with Hudd?
Why not play Defoe and Mido away in Germany? That's not as important.
Half-time he takes off our best midfielder on the day (Davids) instead of Zokora (who isn't doing much since his malaria: ****ing rest him). We've ample cover. Davids is still a class act.
I don't really buy the criticism of the formation. Manu and Arsenal rarely change their formation. They do it less than Jol does it in fact. However when they need a goal they throw the kitchen sink at you.
They get width they push the full backs on they dominate possesion and they camp in your half.
The last mistake I think was not bringing on Keane for Malbranque who didn't kick a ball. He was clearly unfit. Twenty minutes of Keano could have made difference.
As for whoever said Defoe should leave us for the sake of his career, I don't know what your on. The truth is he doesn't deserve to wear our jersey. He most brainless overated striker I've ever seen. He needs to leave because he should play for a lesser team and not ever get picked ahead of Robbie Keane for an important game.
choda
19th November 2006, 09:48 PM
To all fickle fans calling for Jol to be sacked: Think of Evertons position last season before Xmas. Playing bad and a "safe" bet for relegation. But then something happened and they bounced back and were one of the strongest teams after New year! And they still have the same manager and are doing quite well, unfortunately... Lets not give up hope yet!
BUT that said I still think we need to let the team know we aren't happy with their performance. And why was Jol having a go at the ref when the game was over... FFS :mad:
I think we need to start putting some players up for transfer (Ghaly, Lee...). Yeah, so Ghaly has got us two penalties, and what else? ****ing nothing. Just hope Teemu will be fit for the Arsenal game, because we need some heart and fighting spirit to the midfield! Zokora was terrible today, specially in the second half.
I don't think we should be to harsh on Malbranque yet as he's got some way to get 100% matchfit
COYS!
That's not true about ghaly. He's done way more than that. You obviously don't watch all the games. He's created a number of chances, won two pens and scored two goals in ten or so games. He's a real prospect.
He's quick, he's got skill, vision and he's not afraid of work. His only bad game was chelsea. He's had many good games and created good things and scored. Your being very harsh.
I reckon there's 50/50 chance this guy when he settles will become be a proper player for us. To suggest selling him is absolute madness. At the very least he'll be good cover. And that's what lee is aswell by the way.
JM_
19th November 2006, 10:02 PM
That's not true about ghaly. He's done way more than that. You obviously don't watch all the games. He's created a number of chances, won two pens and scored two goals in ten or so games. He's a real prospect.
He's quick, he's got skill, vision and he's not afraid of work. His only bad game was chelsea. He's had many good games and created good things and scored. Your being very harsh.
I reckon there's 50/50 chance this guy when he settles will become be a proper player for us. To suggest selling him is absolute madness. At the very least he'll be good cover. And that's what lee is aswell by the way.
Just for the reckord I watch all the games, except perhaps the League cup games. And yes I still think he's useless! Might come in hand when we have about 7 midfielders out injured. I understand others might rate him, but I just don't (hope he proves me wrong!)
And as for Lee.. I think we have a prospect in Ifil (that's what I keep reading anyway, only seen his debut against Liverpool) why not give him a couple of games? He can't develop unless he get's games with the "big" boys. But for once I agree with you on Davids, don't understand why MJ took him off he was our best midfielder in the first half.
Just hope we sort these last two shitty performances out, even if it means keeping Ghaly in the side!
We all want to see our mighty Spurs win, no matter who's playing in the team!
MarlowSpurs
19th November 2006, 10:07 PM
We are definately missing Lennon and Chimbonda, Lee is a waste of space and our midfield are woeful at the moment. Shit even Ekotto surprised me today
Welsh Spur
20th November 2006, 12:02 AM
Don't agree with a lot of what's being said today.
Robinson had no chance with the goal, and he didn't do much else wrong, although someone needs to tell him that unless he finds a team-mate his massive punts are useless.
Lee is good cover, has some visible weaknesses like dealing with a highball but overall is a decent back up. He needs to close players down quicker too.
Dawson and King again were their usual selves, while Ekotto I though did well going forward and should have even had a shot in a good position one time.
Ghaly was fine, did not deserve to be sent off and showed great composure to earn the penalty when the challenge was coming from Tugay. Davids started well but was out-of-position a LOT and just never seems to do **** all for us. He's is one of my heroes but the fact is he's never hit his top form for us.
Huddlestone, well young Tom had a shocker, wasted possession countless times and is nowhere near being what Carrick was to us on this display. And Zokora it looks like is still suffering after effects of malaria.
Mido battled well but is too argumentative and should have scored at least once today. Defoe, again just seems isolated, I'm glad he scored but where is the JD who first arrived here?
Overall an average performance but where is the urgency when we have an advantage? It was the same against Everton....
fluke
20th November 2006, 12:37 AM
This is what I don't get. Take a team like Villa for example. They were crap for years, they bring in a new manager who with hardly a change in personell turns them into a competitive team. Logic would lead one to believe that it has to be the manager. In all the years I've supported Spurs this has never happened. It seemed that last season was "that time" and we should with what we spent, have built on that sucess this season. I'm sorry guys but if todays performance is anything to go by, it really does not look that promising. We should be able to suffer a couple of injuries and have a deep enough squad to take care of what was an awfull Blackburn team. It has to be said that without Lennon, nobody can link up play between midfield and attack. I feel a bit sorry for our guys up front.
I can't blame Jol YET. The responsibility must fall somewhere however. It's all just really frustrating. It's nice to read all the "we'll turn the corner soon" optimism, although I thought that was supposed to happen when we beat Chelsea.
singapore spur
20th November 2006, 05:53 AM
disappointing performance obviously , though i have to saY I thought ghaly had one of his better games along with davids (and im one of his critics )he at least expressed a sense of pace and urgency .
agree with those that find fault with defoes substitution , didnt make sense to me , and he must be at a bit of a loss about what he needs to do , to stay on the field . also thought keane would have been the better option to bring on , in place of mido, and try and utilise the extra man , he seems the most intelligent of our footballers .
as for sacking jol , as most have said , get real , its embarrasing and pathetic anytime one of supporters brings this up.
MiloMinderbinder
20th November 2006, 11:49 AM
I fail to see what some of you are watching vis a vie Lee, the guy is the worst player I have ever seen at the Lane, he can't so anything right, the sooner dross like this stops playing for the 1st XI the better, it really is shite like him that is dragging us down. Oh and like I said ages ago, Zokora's first touch is complete dog shite which is of major concern given the places ont he pitch he losses the ball.
Ginola's Son
20th November 2006, 02:22 PM
Jol is in my mind the best boss we've had at the club since Keith Burkinshaw, he has a winning mentality and is a great man manager. I will never ever turn on him.
Yesterday's performance was average. First half was dismal but we perked up a bit in the second half. I thought Defoe was our best player, never stopped running. Zokora was anonymous in the second half, as was Steed....did you see him? Mido had a lot of passion and I love him in our shirt...but he can be reckless at times, I thought it'd be him that'd get sent off and not Ghaly.
We defended really well, that goal was an unstoppable delicious effort which I had to admire. Tugay was unfortunate to be sent off, but we needed a spot of luck to grab a point, great taken penalty against arguably the best spot kick saver in the prem.
Pros to be taken from that, but some cons too.
Spur
20th November 2006, 02:55 PM
This is what I don't get. Take a team like Villa for example. They were crap for years, they bring in a new manager who with hardly a change in personell turns them into a competitive team. Logic would lead one to believe that it has to be the manager.
O'Neill is the manager I hold in the most regard in the Premiership by a long way. I wanted O'Neill in charge of Spurs during our last manager change and one day we will change again (hopefully a long long way away) and I would want us to get O'Neill in then as well.
mjbmedia
20th November 2006, 09:10 PM
O'Neill is the manager I hold in the most regard in the Premiership by a long way. I wanted O'Neill in charge of Spurs during our last manager change and one day we will change again (hopefully a long long way away) and I would want us to get O'Neill in then as well.
id change right now if it meant getting ONeill in.
three games this season us V ten men and weve been outplayed whilst having a man advantage in all of them. ok people say MJs learning, well how many lessons does he need on that basic football concept .
keep JD on, Mido for Keane (its ok to have two big guys but not two little guys it seems) Malb for Murphy (altho should have left Ed on) and ****ing try tp play attacking in an away game for once , im getting ****ing pissed off with the same shit, each time we have a chance to jump up a few places we mess it up. but at least its the start of another ten game unbeaten run
Ginola's Son
20th November 2006, 09:41 PM
You'd change now to get O'Niell in? I despair of you. Look what Jol has done already in a short space of time, he got us into Europe Via the league for the first time in 23 years. He's given us a bit of pride back, he even got us a win over Chelsea. I love the guy, wouldn't swap him for anyone
mjbmedia
20th November 2006, 09:41 PM
how come no action was taken agaisnt the other balckburn players who went running into the melee following Ghalys legit challenge and poor red card??
about 6 of them steamed into it all and none got even a talking to!!!!
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