John Terry is a lucky boy...

[bocayid]

Was curious why Ledley reacted so angrily after the John Terry incident and why Robbo had to shove him away with so much force..also why chimbonda etc reacted so angrily too..

After doing some work related research,and chatting to one or too in the know..it turns out..that good old John Terry..a credit to chelsea and future England skipper..made comments relating to Ledleys ..lets say..ethnic origin..if you get me..

This has been overlooked with encouragement from both clubs and the FA...who want to avoid an embarrasing incident..

He's also settled out of court on another drunken/violent altercation in the past few months which wasn't reported...again due to chelseas influence and the FAs deals with various media outlets....

[Spur]

I ****ing hate those bastards.

[DonJolSpurano]

why are spurs helping to cover it up though.

surely they arent worried about bringing down the england captain, the FA and basically shame the entire bent infrastructure of english football?

just like the bung inquiry, we see before us another rank cover-up.:mad:

[Welsh Spur]

This is just speculation to me; but if it's true then bring the racist bastard down. He's always been a thug.

[Spur]

It would explain why Poll gave two reasons for sending him off to a certain extent though wouldn't it? He gives one on the field to get him off then the FA cover it up and he gives a different one...? Or to avoid the press he gives reasons completely false until his final report - which gets covered up.

[jrio]

This is just idle completely unsubstantiated gossip coming from weblogs. I can think of phrases I could believe Terry might use but "lippy black monkey" isn't one of them and certainly not when he has several black team mates around him. Maybe Terry does have unenlightened views on skin colour but he wouldn't be foolish enough to expose himself in that situation. He was sent off for the continual fouling of King in the penalty area and then barging into Ghaly, simple as that. Thinking anything else is just a result of Chelsea trying to blame someone else for their defeat rather than their own lack of discipline.

[Ginola's Son]

Id like to hear something from Ledley himself

[Spur]

So no-one else found it strange that every black player in the box went upto Terry or said something to him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psss6Qy50hA

Ledley, Benny, Chimbo, SWP, Zokora the only ones that tried helping him out were Drogba and Essien and they arrived late, they only seemed to do anything because Chimbo and Zokora were about to knock the **** out.

Even Ledley went upto him again as the ref was showing him the card. At the time people were saying they thought he had said something, myself included, and due to Terry being done for racist behaviour in the past I can definately believe this.

[bocayid]

not so much unspeculated gossip..as for clubs not rocking boats everyone has fingers in so many pies..deals regarding stories being released are done on a daily basis...dont release one story and we'll give you 3 more etc....please dont think even spurs or any other club has a huge amount of integrity regarding these matters...and its not just weblog gossip...i work in sports media ..producing live football transmissions..and we have floor managers at every game we cover..by the dug outs and in the tunnels relaying information back to studio for our commentators....99% of stories dont make the papers or official outlets...i dont normally make a point of spreading idol gossip..and believe me i could post 50 rumours or stories a day on here...this isnt the only terry incident in recent weeks.....but one which like many others wont reach the back pages..not because its not true...but because deals have been struck.....

[bocayid]

and lippy black monkey...please...lol.....thats not it at all and just because he plays with black players?...please...i played football as a kid with lots of nice white boys...off the pitch i was still a spic wop dago..whatever...terry used language which was offensive to King....

[MiloMinderbinder]

not so much unspeculated gossip..as for clubs not rocking boats everyone has fingers in so many pies..deals regarding stories being released are done on a daily basis...dont release one story and we'll give you 3 more etc....please dont think even spurs or any other club has a huge amount of integrity regarding these matters...and its not just weblog gossip...i work in sports media ..producing live football transmissions..and we have floor managers at every game we cover..by the dug outs and in the tunnels relaying information back to studio for our commentators....99% of stories dont make the papers or official outlets...i dont normally make a point of spreading idol gossip..and believe me i could post 50 rumours or stories a day on here...this isnt the only terry incident in recent weeks.....but one which like many others wont reach the back pages..not because its not true...but because deals have been struck.....

...do tell don't leave us in suspense. However, Terry being racist chav **** (and over rated) is hardly news though is it, time was it was a pre-requisite to be Chelsea captain (unlike England captain who merely had to be a drunk)

[Spur]

....99% of stories dont make the papers or official outlets...i dont normally make a point of spreading idol gossip..and believe me i could post 50 rumours or stories a day on here....

Yea you have to tell us them all now... Or at least anything remotely involving Spurs.

[neilmcnab]

football ,esprcially european football..is packed with racist hiding...look at spain...many of the black players have to take the abuse cos its a job which puts money and food on the table...same goes for france too...and in england we sweep it under the table too often...remember woodgate and bowyer...then thjey get them outa the teams they play and conviently ship them off to jordiland or to racist spain....terry is an uneducated muppet

[jrio]

So no-one else found it strange that every black player in the box went upto Terry or said something to him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psss6Qy50hA

Ledley, Benny, Chimbo, SWP, Zokora the only ones that tried helping him out were Drogba and Essien and they arrived late, they only seemed to do anything because Chimbo and Zokora were about to knock the **** out.

Even Ledley went upto him again as the ref was showing him the card. At the time people were saying they thought he had said something, myself included, and due to Terry being done for racist behaviour in the past I can definately believe this.
You need to watch that again as that didn't happen. Zokora pushes out at Terry and then Poll clearly blows as Terry barges into Ekotto; Zokora makes the first run to confront Terry but then Chimbonda rushes out and Zokora ends up trying to restrain Chimbonda, along with Drogba who doesn't hesitate to intervene. King's action looks more conciliatory rather than trying to heap more punishment on Terry(who hasn't been "done for racist behaviour"; he was involved in situations caused by drunken behaviour). Since most of our outfield defensive players in that game were black it's no surprise that most of the players angry at Terry were black. Terry clearly shouted something but don't assume it was racist just because King is black and the 2 Spurs players nearest were black.

[jrio]

and lippy black monkey...please...lol.....thats not it at all and just because he plays with black players?...please...i played football as a kid with lots of nice white boys...off the pitch i was still a spic wop dago..whatever...terry used language which was offensive to King....

You're actually reinforcing the point I was making in that Terry wouldn't be likely to say anything on the pitch if he is racist, but wouldn't hesitate when he's within circles that approve of that view.

[Ioang]

lets look at the evidence=


Chimbonda goes crazy - fair enough, he's actually a bit mad so this one could mean anything
Now, Ledly goes crazy... doesn't sound a lot like him actually, but okay, this is an important game with passions running high
Now, why is Terry sent off? Was it really anything that bad?
Where are his F*cking protests? He plays for Chelsea ffs! He just walks off, he knows he's done something very terrible
Lastly, check youtube, why does Wright-Phillips run up to him, tug his arm and scream at him?

[Spur]

Well...


All very good points
I do like those bullet points


I'm absoultely convinved he has said something, only a shame that the tv angles can't pick exactly what he says other than 'you ****ing prick'.

The other thing I have just thought of is we had Jenas, Lennon and King picked for today's game...maybe they harbour some hatred toward Terry now and refused the call-up. We know that Lennon and Jenas both met up with the squad and then left... I don't believe that this has happened at all but i'm just saying it is a long shot of a possibility.

[Ginola's Son]

The crux is that Terry is the England captain and they'll never have him as a racist even if he is a racist. I worked with someone who was at school with him and she told he was an absolute asshole. But Racist? Can't be sure.

[choda]

I think there were just a lot of black players on the pitch. I could be wrong but people are making there own assumptions about this and jumping to conclusions.

How can anybody know but looking at everything I doubt anything racist was said.

And I mean cashley was defending Terry a few days after it happened. If he said something racist he's hardly going to defend him.

And wouldn't our players have said something?

I could be wrong.

I heard Chelsea were skating on thin ice because they were abusing and harassing Poll in the tunnel at half time. He was fed up of them and when Terry grabbed King by the throat it was enough for him to send him off.

I think he did want to teach them a lesson. And I don't blame the guy in the least. If the authorites were doing there job they'd have received many lessons by now. They deserve everything they get... scummy bastards.

[singapore spur]

Well...

All very good points
I do like those bullet points
I'm absoultely convinved he has said something, only a shame that the tv angles can't pick exactly what he says other than 'you ****ing prick'.

The other thing I have just thought of is we had Jenas, Lennon and King picked for today's game...maybe they harbour some hatred toward Terry now and refused the call-up. We know that Lennon and Jenas both met up with the squad and then left... I don't believe that this has happened at all but i'm just saying it is a long shot of a possibility.


got to say top marks for the bullet points as well , keep it up

also spur , well done for splendid conspiracy theory , i love em

and bocayid , how about just give us one of those stories a day , or a week to keep us going , maybe your own section , or at least a sticky

[mjbmedia]

Was curious why Ledley reacted so angrily after the John Terry incident and why Robbo had to shove him away with so much force..also why chimbonda etc reacted so angrily too..

After doing some work related research,and chatting to one or too in the know..it turns out..that good old John Terry..a credit to chelsea and future England skipper..made comments relating to Ledleys ..lets say..ethnic origin..if you get me..

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sorry but didnt i say this the day after the game????? o yes i did old news travels fast or do you only believe it when it bacomes public??

[choda]

sorry but didnt i say this the day after the game????? o yes i did old news travels fast or do you only believe it when it bacomes public??

But why wouldn't chimbo, ekotto and zokora say something if a racist comment was said?

They don't give a shit about england.

And I doubt poll would keep quiet either. He's not in a job to keep racism and other cancers under the carpet.

Why would cashley be defending him a few days later?

Looking at the big picture and the evidence it seems to me far too many people are keeping quiet and not responding if there really was something racist said.

Seems to me you fellas are reading a lot into he said she said chinese whispers and taking it as gospel when it's probably cack.

[Welsh Spur]

Seems to me you fellas are reading a lot into he said she said chinese whispers and taking it as gospel when it's probably cack.

I agree. This RUMOUR has absolutely no substance.

[Spur]

We'll never know the truth. Just like 9/11, just like JFK's assasination - who knows maybe the FA were involved in both...

[choda]

Lol... well I think it's as simple as asking ledley king. But it doesn't look like anything was said, but I could be wrong.

And isn't it obvious what happened to JFK (Oliver Stone has it right) and with 9/11 (Michael Moore has it right).

As for the families sueing the government and accusing them of being behind 9/11 I think that's going to far, but I wouldn't put anything past the American government.

[mjbmedia]

well its cos JT has history of this sort of thing, ask Rio and Gary Neville, Rio who took it and Neville who witnessed it, tho whether theyd now admit to it i dont know.
Also remember i spent a few evenings in a nightclub that he was also in and i witnessed his behaviour first hand especially towards the, shall we say, non caucasian element in the club .

no offence but you can say hes innocent from your pad in Swansea or Eire or wherever ,some of us here have been closer to it and have more on which to base our judgements on than hearsay.

He was very angry the whole game and when youre in that state the professionalism can slip and your true colours can come through before you know it. thats what happened else why the hell didnt he even contest the second booking, he knew he was off and went straight off the pitch with no complaints. If he hadnt done anything then he'd have been arguing the toss as would his teammates, nobody argued for him at the time, plenty (incl SWP) were against him.

[choda]

The only hearsay I've heard is from you and a few others. We're going on the evidence and looking at all the info available to us (including your rumours).

If this is known in London and Poll and the refs association knows it (because they hear everytihng on the refs mike) then why isn't the matter going to the FA?

It would be quite extraordinary if they and chimbo, ekotto and zokora were doing this to protect the england captain. Why would they give a ****?

The refs are english but they have a job to do and it doesn't involve favouritism and cover ups. It's pretty outlandish what your saying.

That's the way it looks to me. Of course we can't know unless we could ask ledley but I'd give you 1000 to 1 on this being bollocks.

[singapore spur]

[quote=choda;27706

That's the way it looks to me. Of course we can't know unless we could ask ledley but I'd give you 1000 to 1 on this being bollocks.[/quote]


sod it , ill have a tenner with those odds .

[mjbmedia]

cos as in most professions there is an unwritten code where players dont welch on others, else why didnt Mendes press charges against Thatcher, Mabbutt against Fashanau, etc etc .

How can Poll say anything when hes already given the official reasons for the sending off and given his current predicament hes hardly going to incur more wrath over somethign that probably wont go further cos the FA will cover it up cos theres no way they want anything like racism surrounding the England captain.

of course we may be wrong, i cant be certain and im not pretending i am, but too much points towards that sort of thing happening and a bit of history with the guy too to also be able to dismiss it as freely as you maybe have.

the fact that all the black guys within earshot were clearly incensed in the JT incident points to the racism suggestions being likely

[Welsh Spur]

If it's true someone should speak up.

Chelsea players are far too easily prompted into complaining....Now Terry says he was told to **** off....boo ****ing hoo, he's gonna be called/told worse than that, so what if Poll did tell him to **** off, if it's true then I applaud him, with all the refs take it's hardly surprising, man u and chelsea players have been doing it for years.

That's just made me think, if he did racially abuse King, why would he draw more attention to the incident by claiming he was told to **** off? Surely he'd want a line drawn under it if these racism claims are true?

[jrio]

It was only Zokora and Chimbonda and they only pursued Terry after he barged into Ekotto(when you can see Poll pulling out the card), Zokora then deciding to restrain the more aggressive Chimbonda. Drogba didn't hesitate to defend Terry, something I'm sure he wouldn't have been so eager to do if he'd heard him racially abusing King. He probably swore at King and it doesn't take much for players to get all high and mighty.
I don't think that Terry is that highly regarded within the FA that a mass cover-up would take place to hide racism. If it had been Beckham before the World Cup, maybe.
It sounds as though you feel we now have some especially high moral ground over Chelsea and you want to believe it's true. I notice that players don't follow the "no welching" rule in internationals when they're racially abused and Blackburn didn't follow it when McCarthy suffered the same in Poland.

[mjbmedia]

yeh and ive said its my view/belief and that i accept i may not be right.
so whats your problem:D
but explain why JT did NOT contest the decision at all at the time, he was going off before the card had been shown, he maybe knew hed gone too far , maybe he didnt give a toss and just went off easily then whinged about it after , who knows, who cares .
just a bit annoying when people who know little about him other than what they see on tv and read in the papers think hes whiter than white when the guys got history albeit not hugely publicised but locally well known for a reputation for not liking non whites too much

did drogba hear what he said at the time or is he just defending a teammate ??
when have you ever seen Ledley lose his cool like that???? ever?????? he would not lose his cool just for being pushed to the ground .
you believe what you want, so will i, simple as that just that ive witnessed him off guard , pre and post big time fame ,and him being like many suggest wouldnt surprise me in the slightest

[choda]

cos as in most professions there is an unwritten code where players dont welch on others, else why didnt Mendes press charges against Thatcher, Mabbutt against Fashanau, etc etc .

How can Poll say anything when hes already given the official reasons for the sending off and given his current predicament hes hardly going to incur more wrath over somethign that probably wont go further cos the FA will cover it up cos theres no way they want anything like racism surrounding the England captain.

of course we may be wrong, i cant be certain and im not pretending i am, but too much points towards that sort of thing happening and a bit of history with the guy too to also be able to dismiss it as freely as you maybe have.

the fact that all the black guys within earshot were clearly incensed in the JT incident points to the racism suggestions being likely

Every situation is taken on it's merits. This is a totally different situation to mendes and mabbutt. It is also a very different debate.

In getting back to this incident: Cashley and Terry would hardly be mouthing off publicly afterward if there was a cover up. And that would hardly be keeping to an 'unofficial code' if they had some situation going on. And what your referring to is an unwritten 'man code'.

The unwritten football code (though there is much overlap) is the type of stuff Mourinho and divers etc. break every week.

Second why would Poll give different official reasons in the first place? And again the refs have a job to do and does it involve favouritism and cover ups?

Your also implying that the refs association (who through the live recording on his mike know the truth) would show such favoursitism to Poll that he isn't subject to the official code of professional refereeing (which they are by the way).

Do you see how this gets more and more hard to believe?

I haven't seen Terry's behaviour as a young fella and so I can't comment on it.

I could be wrong about this incident of course but it would be a fairly amazing chain of events.

By the way if anybody wants to send me money I'll take your bets and between us we can hire Vincent to get the answer.:D

[mjbmedia]

first off choda....whose Vincent???

and do you take £ sterling cos i dont do Euro crap

[hastingsyid]

Id like to hear something from Ledley himself

you wont hear anything from our ledley coz hes a pro and just gets on with the job and keeps away from the limelight unlike terry who loves the press and the limelight,terry is obviously worried coz our king will soon take his place at international level.If any racist comment was made be sure people that king would have sorted it behind closed doors.bottom line is **** terry coz our ledley is different class to that chelscum ******......COYS

[mjbmedia]

nice one son

[choda]

first off choda....whose Vincent???

and do you take £ sterling cos i dont do Euro crap

Vincent... you know Ray Winstone on ITV. He's a P.I. dude.

[choda]

you wont hear anything from our ledley coz hes a pro and just gets on with the job and keeps away from the limelight unlike terry who loves the press and the limelight,terry is obviously worried coz our king will soon take his place at international level.If any racist comment was made be sure people that king would have sorted it behind closed doors.bottom line is **** terry coz our ledley is different class to that chelscum ******......COYS

Oh yeah I totally agree with that. But this arguement is more about Poll, Cashley publicly defending him and the ref's association.

[mjbmedia]

Oh yeah I totally agree with that. But this arguement is more about Poll, Cashley publicly defending him and the ref's association.
from your side maybe it is, thats not the argument from my side at all.

refs association are defending Poll saying he didnt tell JT to eff off, thats got nowt to do with any racist slur.
Ashley i said Ashley will sell his mum for £20 so who takes anything he may have an opinion on with any seriousness anyway


anyway who cars

[jrio]

yeh and ive said its my view/belief and that i accept i may not be right.
so whats your problem:D
It seems to be your problem bearing in mind we're on a forum which by definition is an arena where individuals give their views. I was offering rebuttals to your points. I'm not asking you to agree with them but some of your points didn't match up to the footage.

but explain why JT did NOT contest the decision at all at the time, he was going off before the card had been shown..
just a bit annoying when people who know little about him other than what they see on tv and read in the papers think hes whiter than white..
He is the captain, had already had a confrontation with Poll over not coming back on when he wanted and realised further complaint would get him nowhere. Probably being England captain also influenced him. I doubt many people think Terry is whiter than white.
did drogba hear what he said at the time or is he just defending a teammate ??
when have you ever seen Ledley lose his cool like that???? ever?????? he would not lose his cool just for being pushed to the ground .

If you claim our black players heard him then so must have Drogba who was next to them. King was already angry with Terry for grabbing him in the area and then hurling him to the ground. I'd guess he was outraged at Terry's blatant thugishness.

[mjbmedia]

who knows huh? and who cares (not cars)

by the way note to mods not much point having smilies etc if people dont see them and take notice that theyre meant to put a cheeky tone into the posting :D :p ;)