Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Club Brugge

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Spur]

I can't wait for this one.

The atmosphere at the last euro game was quality I just hope the price of the tickets hasn't affected it all too much...

Obviously going for a Spurs win, questions about whos starting so I can hardly give out potential goalscorers can I?

[SurreySpur]

We should be looking at a home win on Thursday. I imagine Berbatov will play up front with one of the smaller lads.

Im actually looking forward to seeing how Jonathon Blondell has progressed since returning to Belguim.

[choda]

We should be looking at a home win on Thursday. I imagine Berbatov will play up front with one of the smaller lads.

Im actually looking forward to seeing how Jonathon Blondell has progressed since returning to Belguim.

Yeah I forgot about him. He looked good the times I saw him play for us.

[SurreySpur]

Im not completely sure but i think he only made 2 substitute appearances, and in one of them he created a goal for Teddy. Im not sure why he didnt get more of a look in.

[DonJolSpurano]

We should be looking at a home win on Thursday. I imagine Berbatov will play up front with one of the smaller lads.

Im actually looking forward to seeing how Jonathon Blondell has progressed since returning to Belguim.

didnt realise blondel was there now.

what was up with him? did he struggle to adapt to london cos he wasnt that bad a player and hodd raved about him. then again, he called bunje the next beckenbauer lol

[SurreySpur]

Im not sure what happened to him, although he did seem very lightweight, maybe he wasn't up to the physical nature of the premiership.

[Spur]

Wasn't it another player Hoddle ruined? He did look good for us and at the time was just the player we could have done with. I remember when he left hoping that one day he would be back - turns out he is only he's not wearing lilywhite.

[DiamondGeezer]

Can't wait for thursday got a ticket aswell, 4th game this season having been to see sociedad, everton (the worst i have ever seen spurs play!) and prague and that had to be the best atmosphere i have seen!!!

gotta be a spurs win but brugge r on form!!!!

we shall see!!!!

COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!

[DiamondGeezer]

heres the squad

Robinson, Cerny, Chimbonda, Dawson, Gardner, King, Davids, Jenas, Lennon, Huddlestone, Ziegler, Murphy, Defoe, Mido, Keane, Berbatov, Zokora, Ghaly.

same old same old!

[Spur]

I noticed that Reto got brought off the other day for the reserves, maybe just so he's still fresh for the first team squad but he did start in Europe before...

[gbspur72]

just read we may rest players in this game for the chelski match, this seem's strange to me, don't think we are good enough for this sort of rotation yet and surely we want to ensure victory in this game which will mean we are almost through to the next stage. what do you think our priority should be guys?

[suBerb]

3:1 for us with Mido, Defoe and Lennon scoring the goals :cool:

[mjbmedia]

just read we may rest players in this game for the chelski match, this seem's strange to me, don't think we are good enough for this sort of rotation yet and surely we want to ensure victory in this game which will mean we are almost through to the next stage. what do you think our priority should be guys?
chelsea should be the priority

[MarlowSpurs]

I would give my left bollock to see us stuff chelsea and to see the look on that cock shite Mourinho's face. What I wouldn't mind seeing is the ball being knocked out of play and taking Mourinho with it.

[Gregzy]

chelsea should be the priority

See what you mean, but every game is a priority for us this season. From our performances thus far, it would seem that the UEFA does represent a very decent shot at some silver-ware. Obviously, beating Chelscum would be a massive cause for celebration, but we need to be realistic - history and leauge form suggests that a draw would be to our credit.

The lads seem really up for the Euro games and I hope that enthusiasm is taken into tomorrows match. I have a gut feeling that Berbatov is going to put on another show and we'll come away victorious.

Hope all this board's representatives at the Lane have a great evening - sing your hearts out for the lads!

[berbo_fenka]

3:1 for us with Mido, Defoe and Lennon scoring the goals :cool:

Hey, why do you think Berbatov won't score. I am hoping that he scores a hattrick. Go Berbo you are number one.

[singapore spur]

just read we may rest players in this game for the chelski match, this seem's strange to me, don't think we are good enough for this sort of rotation yet and surely we want to ensure victory in this game which will mean we are almost through to the next stage. what do you think our priority should be guys?

agree , im not one for a rotation policy , pick your best in form team and stick with it until injuries, suspension force your hand . obviously if someone is on a bad run , maybe swap things around a bit , but outside the carling cup earlier rounds, play every game to win , no resting players unless you have already sealed qualification to the next stage with a game to spare and you want to give some other guys playing time and experience .
this fashionable rotation policy never needed to be used when a 13 or 14 man squad for liverpool dominated england and europe playing 50+ games , and it definately doesnt seem to be working for our forwards at the moment .

[suBerb]

Hey, why do you think Berbatov won't score. I am hoping that he scores a hattrick. Go Berbo you are number one.

He may have a rest for the Chelsea game.

[bundy]

heres the squad

Robinson, Cerny, Chimbonda, Dawson, Gardner, King, Davids, Jenas, Lennon, Huddlestone, Ziegler, Murphy, Defoe, Mido, Keane, Berbatov, Zokora, Ghaly.

same old same old!

Defence looks pretty bare. Does that suggest that Huddlestone will cover Defence and Midfield whether he starts or not?

[Spur]

And Ziegler I would imagine so.

Where's Benoit?

[jrio]

Ekotto's missing from that list but he's not unavailable as far as I'm aware.

[berbo_fenka]

Tottenham - Brugge 1-1 Berbo scores in th 17th minute

[SurreySpur]

Jenas, thats a shocking miss. Great set up from Berbatov though

[JuicE]

How are we playing????

[Chewy]

By the sounds of the radio, we're all over them but just not putting our chances away!

[berbo_fenka]

Tottenham is leading 2-1 the second goal was scored by Robbie Keane

[Chewy]

3-1. Berby with his 2nd! 12mins to go. Mido and Murhpy coming on for Berbatov and Lennon to tighten things up.

[hastingsyid]

Fantastic performance and great result with as usual the fans superb,great finishing tonight and that second half was the best ive seen my spurs for a very long time,lets take this into sundays game against chelshit and show them plastic fans that spurs are no longer a pushover........COYS

[neilmcnab]

good win in the end we made hard work of it ... in fact brugge were a push over offered little re sistance we shud of scored 5 or 6 in the 1st half and we cant be so waistful against chelsea....but as we can all see we make so many clear cut chances but still fail to put them in the back of the net.... except for BERBATOV...who took his 2 chances quite exquisitly....robbie neva took a touch and jus hit his chance 1st time...instead of thinking wat to do with it...defence were well solid and compact.... some1 out of leds and daws needs to step out with the ball somtimes...and the midfield need to score...

[Gregzy]

Great result. Yes, it should have been closer to a cricket score, but we made three of them count and that is the main thing. To score three, you usually have to miss ten, so we really shoudln't moan too much!

Seems like Dimi is thriving in European matches - I can't wait for him to translate this to the Premiership...if he could start it on Sunday, that'd be peachy...

[denis-cro]

Very nice...˝glory, glory˝ days are coming back...;)

[Spur]

I saw my dog play football earlier. He's better than Jermaine Jenas. The only part of our game we are lacking is someone supporting the strikers and running the game in mifield. I thought that was where he was supposed to be playing.

Apparently not.

Back five completely faultless. Benny seemed a little less composed than usual, in fact he did in the last game too. Other than that top class the lot of them.

Zokora is all round a top class player, but he has a worse touch than most in my sunday league game, Hotspur this month has a big article on Ricardo Moniz - perhaps he should work with Didier a bit...did I see a dive in the first half also...?

Ghaly is quite obviously not a winger as he plays far too narrow but he does have bursts of play which are quite excellent. Jenas was missing alot of the time and there were times when I wished he would go missing.

Aaron, aaron, aaron. I don't know what to say other than SHOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!! When this kid learns how to put the ball in the back of the net we are sorted. Until then his bursts of pace which send the crowd into an electrified frenzy will carry on with hope of that wondergoal when he runs from his own back yard to finish in the top corner.

Same old same old really. Why can't Berba play like that in the Prem?

[spurs61]

Yeah, pretty much agree with all of that and yes that was a dive from Zokora but nothing too serious. I have to say I thought Benny was awful tonight, he kept trying to win the ball through the back of the defender and it left him easy to spin.

Keane was pretty dreadful as well but hopefully the goal will give him some confidence, I just wish he'd do the simple things when he's this out of form.

I've just got to add my two pennys worth; Dimitar Berbatov was absolutley incredible this evening, he was just unplayable. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this guy reminds me soooo much of Marco Van Basten it's spooky!

[stoopadity]

overall... this wuz by far the best ever 2nd half domination by SPURS this season yet.

if there is an award for most-chances-to-score-but-failed, i guess Jenas will be the top winner! no doubt bout it... in nearly every match that he starts, he ALWAYS have a clear-cut opportunity to put the darn ball into the net but always fail. sometimes i wish that every match the ref will just go up to him n show him the RED CARD coz honestly, i dun see him throughout the match except when he is required to miss some PRETTY DARN GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SCORE!!!

it's kinda frustrating... Berbatov wuz above average in today's performance but least he plays better than in the premiership... no idea why. Keano wuz not playing well also. the only players tat outstandingly shine throughout the match wuz onli chimbonda & zokora. aaron... u can run, u can dribble, u totally terrorized the opponent's defence, but the final touch... aaarrrggghhh!!!

hey look on the bright side!!! we r still unbeaten for the past 7-8 matches??? glory glory spurs!!!

[suBerb]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this guy reminds me soooo much of Marco Van Basten it's spooky!

spot on mate

Van Basten is his idol and he watches the games and the goals of the great Dutchman very often.

[DonJolSpurano]

Oi, whats with all the jenas (or janus as mr pleat says) bashing?

he had an excellent game last night. did his defensive job really well and got up in support of the forwards really well. he used his pace and direct running to open up space for berbatov and keane and his general business in the middle didnt allow them to settle for a second.

he had one good effort on goal but hit the outside of the post, which is damn unlucky. he certainly got closer with his one effort than ghaly, lennon did with several of theres and keane also.

sometimes i think you lot just do it for the sake of getting on his case. we won last night and again, JJ was an integral influence in the best performance ive seen from spurs in over 6 months.

get off his back :mad:

[DonJolSpurano]

overall... this wuz by far the best ever 2nd half domination by SPURS this season yet.

if there is an award for most-chances-to-score-but-failed, i guess Jenas will be the top winner! no doubt bout it... in nearly every match that he starts, he ALWAYS have a clear-cut opportunity to put the darn ball into the net but always fail. sometimes i wish that every match the ref will just go up to him n show him the RED CARD coz honestly, i dun see him throughout the match except when he is required to miss some PRETTY DARN GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SCORE!!!

it's kinda frustrating... Berbatov wuz above average in today's performance but least he plays better than in the premiership... no idea why. Keano wuz not playing well also. the only players tat outstandingly shine throughout the match wuz onli chimbonda & zokora. aaron... u can run, u can dribble, u totally terrorized the opponent's defence, but the final touch... aaarrrggghhh!!!

hey look on the bright side!!! we r still unbeaten for the past 7-8 matches??? glory glory spurs!!!

its WAS ffs

[JJ]

(or janus as mr pleat says)

And Chibomba...

:confused:

[choda]

Oi, whats with all the jenas (or janus as mr pleat says) bashing?

he had an excellent game last night. did his defensive job really well and got up in support of the forwards really well. he used his pace and direct running to open up space for berbatov and keane and his general business in the middle didnt allow them to settle for a second.

he had one good effort on goal but hit the outside of the post, which is damn unlucky. he certainly got closer with his one effort than ghaly, lennon did with several of theres and keane also.

sometimes i think you lot just do it for the sake of getting on his case. we won last night and again, JJ was an integral influence in the best performance ive seen from spurs in over 6 months.

get off his back :mad:

I missed the game but my money is on the Jenas bashers for what actually happened. Just sounds very familiar.

Are your related to him or something? Your blind to his almost total lack of quality this year (which has cost us points at both ends of the pitch).

And I really trust what spur61 says. I don't ever remember the guy not talking sense.

[RuFuS]

Oi, whats with all the jenas (or janus as mr pleat says) bashing? sometimes i think you lot just do it for the sake of getting on his case. get off his back :mad:


Your dead right. JJ seems to be the boo boys target at the moment. It's as if they want him to play bad so they can be right :mad:

Last year when YP lee rolled the ball to Rooney for him to score :o , he was booed for the next few touch's. but i dont recall the scouse fans turning on Gerrard when he did a similar thing for Henry to score.

It's an ugly trait that spurs fans have. :o

[shoot_ffs]

i think he only gets in the side because he's quick. It makes him difficult to mark but his touch and shooting was piss poor. Would also like to see defoe play with berby as we miss out having no pace up front. berby has all the skills to make chances and passes well, but keane has to be unmarked to get away. It's fine in the wafer cup but you don't get that space in the prem. Really see berb and defoe as our top strikers. also can't wait for steed to bring some flair and goals too, maybe he'll drop jenas for him. thought zokora was well off the pace yesterday, or maybe just playing too deep.

[RuFuS]

thought zokora was well off the pace yesterday, or maybe just playing too deep.

If he's just had a Malaria attack he would be off the pace. A mate of mine gets them now and then,he's no super fit athelete like a pro footballer with a quick recovery system but for ten days or so he'll find it hard even to get out of bed.

[suBerb]

If he's just had a Malaria attack he would be off the pace. A mate of mine gets them now and then,he's no super fit athelete like a pro footballer with a quick recovery system but for ten days or so he'll find it hard even to get out of bed.

Maybe Jol is going to give him a rest vs Chelskum.

[bocayid]

top performance and a good win..albeit against an ordinary Brugges side...Was bit disappointed with the sporadic Spurs Chants..never got goin..wa noisey at times but not brilliant and even the Park Lane didnt really get going en masse...and the Shelf was decidedly quiet..different folks in for the midweek euro games i guess..

The Portsmouth Game for 10 mins during 2nd half the south stand almost to a man stood clapping the YID chant and others..all in time all as one it made the hairs stand up ..even the players were looking up at the stand..and zokora looked proper impressed so much so that he gave his shirt into the end..

still cant have that every week i guess and we still outdo most clubs on the atmosphere front

[bundy]

Why can't Berba play like that in the Prem?

I'm beginning to think that he's taking a while to settle in. We all know the Prem can be quite an intimidating league to establish yourself in, and seeing as he's doing the job for us in Europe, I can only see this being the problem. Hopefully a run of games will provide a much needed induction into the league for him.

[spurs61]

spot on mate

Van Basten is his idol and he watches the games and the goals of the great Dutchman very often.

Really, no wonder I think they're so similar. This will have a few of the guys who sit next to me eating humble pie!

[DonJolSpurano]

I missed the game but my money is on the Jenas bashers for what actually happened. Just sounds very familiar.

Are your related to him or something? Your blind to his almost total lack of quality this year (which has cost us points at both ends of the pitch).

And I really trust what spur61 says. I don't ever remember the guy not talking sense.

i dont mean to be nasty...well, i do really...but WTF are you talking about?

jenas didnt have a bad game whatsoever. i find it totally outrageous that people are saying he was awful cos he simply wasnt. no, im not related but i just think it so unfair that he gets so much stick. yea, he has bad games and his miss v liverpool was disgusting, but this constant tirade against JJ is out of order.

its interesting that its the same few as well, EVERY game. you can guarantee he'll be slagged off on monday, even if we win. he did nothing wrong last night and was unlucky to hit the post. he had a good shot deflected off target and ran his socks off in the midfield, defensive territories and attacking third.

btw, when has he cost us points at the back?

[suBerb]

I'm beginning to think that he's taking a while to settle in. We all know the Prem can be quite an intimidating league to establish yourself in, and seeing as he's doing the job for us in Europe, I can only see this being the problem. Hopefully a run of games will provide a much needed induction into the league for him.

totally agree, I don't think that he will be great vs Chelsea. He will struggle in the Premiership next 2-3 months as well. We have to be patient. In the spring he will score regularly, I'm pretty certain about that, especially if we sign in january a top left winger who can cross the ball well.

[spurs61]

jenas didnt have a bad game whatsoever.

I have to say, despite not being his greatest fan, that Jenas had a decent game last night. His two misses in the first half were inexusable as far as I'm concerned, the amount of time he had for both he should have hit the target. But he had to compensate for Zokora's lack of match fitness and covered pretty much every blade of grass, 6.5 out of ten.

[Spur]

Jenas never played well yesterday. Besides his performance he defies the law of averages. Every person in the world given a good chance to score every game would put at least some in the ****ing net. It's beginning to become repetitive his inability to do the simple things. I don't want that in my team, if he ain't good enough - which obviously he ain't - then he can **** off.

When you think that other teams below us have got Reo-Coker, Barton, Cahill, this list can go on and on. And we have Jermaine Jenas. Embarrassing.

Berba won't play against Chelsea I don't think as Jol will favour Mido's physical side.

[choda]

i dont mean to be nasty...well, i do really...but WTF are you talking about?

jenas didnt have a bad game whatsoever. i find it totally outrageous that people are saying he was awful cos he simply wasnt. no, im not related but i just think it so unfair that he gets so much stick. yea, he has bad games and his miss v liverpool was disgusting, but this constant tirade against JJ is out of order.

its interesting that its the same few as well, EVERY game. you can guarantee he'll be slagged off on monday, even if we win. he did nothing wrong last night and was unlucky to hit the post. he had a good shot deflected off target and ran his socks off in the midfield, defensive territories and attacking third.

btw, when has he cost us points at the back?

He did nothing wrong last night except was very loose with his quality again? I don't see you saying he's a quality footballer ever.

Only that he's got an engine, pace and works hard. I accept that and it's the only reason I've any time for him.

Do you not see his ball watching, often weak tackling, random wayward shooting, shit free kicks on goal, overhit crosses, hit or miss passing and totally ****ing up chances?

When has he cost us points defensively?

Barry turned him like he was a ten year old for his goal. And the flick on the edge of his own box to Campo, instead of hoofing it away when in a dangerous position. Another way that could have gone wrong was if he misflicked it right to the guy beside him.

Those are the two that come to mind, but there were others. I just can't recall them now. He has a tendency to do weak shit like that and to ball watch at times, which means the play goes by him sometimes.

In short he needs to work on his awareness, his bottle in big situations... and also on his technical ability. That in my view is some big shit to sort out and it's why I'm dubious about him being a fixture in our team this year.

Maybe we should develop him in training or loan him out to fulham. For me this year he's costing us points.

[DonJolSpurano]

He did nothing wrong last night except was very loose with his quality again? I don't see you saying he's a quality footballer ever.

Only that he's got an engine, pace and works hard. I accept that and it's the only reason I've any time for him.

Do you not see his ball watching, often weak tackling, random wayward shooting, shit free kicks on goal, overhit crosses, hit or miss passing and totally ****ing up chances?

When has he cost us points defensively?

Barry turned him like he was a ten year old for his goal. And the flick on the edge of his own box to Campo, instead of hoofing it away when in a dangerous position. Another way that could have gone wrong was if he misflicked it right to the guy beside him.

Those are the two that come to mind, but there were others. I just can't recall them now. He has a tendency to do weak shit like that and to ball watch at times, which means the play goes by him sometimes.

In short he needs to work on his awareness, his bottle in big situations... and also on his technical ability. That in my view is some big shit to sort out and it's why I'm dubious about him being a fixture in our team this year.

Maybe we should develop him in training or loan him out to fulham. For me this year he's costing us points.

how come youve just reviewed his performance last night when you didnt see the game?

and wasnt zokora more to blame for not charging down campo. and while im at it, what about chimbonda and dawson who both got turned inside out by barry. on the same point, robbo cost us points versus man utd, ekotto cost us points versus everton, lennon cost us points on saturday. whats your point? every goal conceded is the fault of usually more than one person. they play as a team and singling JJ out is totally unfair and misguided.

next you'll be saying brugges goal was his fault, not dawsons.

his passing wasnt poor and he was having to make up for zokora being visibly off the pace. he made many clever runs into space to create room for berbatov to drop deep. he hit the post and had a shot deflected wide by a defender. oh yes, the equaliser was set up from HIS dinked freekick into the box.

i didnt see him put one pass astray. he had ONE bad corner which went straight to the keeper. and if you're going to vilify him for his shooting, then you should absolutely murder robbie keane, who, apart from scoring the decisive goal, had a bloody awful game. those stupid flicks that skied over the bar where the most irritating thing i saw last night.

[choda]

how come youve just reviewed his performance last night when you didnt see the game?

and wasnt zokora more to blame for not charging down campo. and while im at it, what about chimbonda and dawson who both got turned inside out by barry.

next you'll be saying brugges goal was his fault, not dawsons.

his passing wasnt poor cos he was having to make up for zokora being visibly off the pace. he made many clever runs into space to create room for berbatov to drop deep. he hit the post and had a shot deflected wide by a defender. oh yes, the equaliser was set up from HIS dinked freekick into the box.

This was a question: 'He did nothing wrong last night except was very loose with his quality again?'

I just reviewed his SEASON buddy.

As for your other comment: Barry turned inside Lennon and then Jenas. It wasn't good play by either of them but especially Jenas because he was the last line and he tried to read where he was going and left himself wide open.

Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBrBqcHAg4

Chimbonda and Dawson were not turned. You're making up shit.

It wasn't great by Zokora against Bolton either but he was a long way away anyway but he shouldn't have turned his back. It's forgivable though as it ws his first game and he's been phenomonel since then (I heard he wasn't fit last night).

But a blind back flick on the edge of your own box that could've gone to a guy right beside him aswell is worse than what Zokora did anyway.

There were other things that may not cost you but if it keeps getting done it will. And it did in those cases.

You still haven't said he's a quality footballer. Go on say it, I dare ya. You won't because you can't.

[DonJolSpurano]

huh?!?

he's a quality footballer. easy!

btw, if that was a question, you should have rephrased it as it didnt make sense.

'He did nothing wrong last night except was very loose with his quality again?'

seriously, how does that resemble a question in any way, except for ? at the end. it was a statement...buddy

[jrio]

... and was unlucky to hit the post. he had a good shot deflected off target and ran his socks off in the midfield, defensive territories and attacking third.


He wasn't unlucky to hit the post, it was a very poor effort from several yards when there was easily enough space to place the ball to the right of the keeper.

[olly27]

not this again lol...choda calm down you didn't even see the game..jenas had a good game last night..and to be fair the chance he had was more difficult then first appeared..on the replay you could see the bruge defender rushing in..tightening the angle and forcing him to rush...ghaly's chance was much more clear cut...jenas worked hard again and was one of the reasons why it turned out be so comfortable in the end..7/10 definitely for last nights efforts..

[olly27]

having said that..i agree with choda that he is guilty of ball watching at times..frustrating..apart of his game that needs to be eradicated..i am not singing the guys praises completely but i think a lot of people seem just to focus on his faults when he quite clearly posses's quality..at the end of the day he needs to become more consitent..but he did have a good game last night regardless...

[DonJolSpurano]

He wasn't unlucky to hit the post, it was a very poor effort from several yards when there was easily enough space to place the ball to the right of the keeper.

yes he was. there was very little space and he was being charged down by a defender. should have hit the target but wasnt far off.

ghalys miss was much worse!

[choda]

huh?!?

he's a quality footballer. easy!

btw, if that was a question, you should have rephrased it as it didnt make sense.

'He did nothing wrong last night except was very loose with his quality again?'

seriously, how does that resemble a question in any way, except for ? at the end. it was a statement...buddy

Okay well I'm going to end this discussion because it's wasting my time.

I didn't see last nights game but I've seen every other game and a lot of people have said that he was at the same shit again. It's not hard to believe.

He's quality even though he ball watches, does flicks in his own box (I still haven't forgotten that time he was on the post at a corner), overhits crosses, is hit or miss with his passing, blazes every shot he has, and misses bags of chances.

Hmm yeah quality.

And I got an A+ in English at school and in college. I know a bit about the uses of language.

[olly27]

if thats the case mate i would rephrase what you said..and it was a statement...loose in his quality implies he has quality in the first place!..make your mind up!

[olly27]

just keep slagging him off then..just dont expect everyone to agree with you..you have way of sounding that your opinion is superior and what you say is gospel

[choda]

This is getting annoying.

When you put a question mark at the end of some statements it means... was it not? Or is that not what happened?

Olly, this is such a stupid point: He has the potential for quality but he's not producing... okay.

[olly27]

okay will all just agree to diasgree on this issue..will come back to at the end of the season!

[choda]

just keep slagging him off then..just dont expect everyone to agree with you..you have way of sounding that your opinion is superior and what you say is gospel

Everybody states their opinion. When I don't agree with you and make good points you level this crap at me.

The two times you did this you never made any good arguements for your points what so ever. It makes you sound like your huffing and puffing because you've not got good points to make in the arguement.

[olly27]

It really doesn't matter what you think..I have neither the time or inclination to start substantiating everything to the likes of you..you arrogant little prick..get a life

[Chaydle]

Do I recall JJ scoring 7 goals last season, not a bad return for a midfielder, I can't remember many recent Spurs central midfielders scoring more than that.

[choda]

It really doesn't matter what you think..I have neither the time or inclination to start substantiating everything to the likes of you..you arrogant little prick..get a life

Nice.

Was that a few lines from 'A Few Good Men'?

And you only have to write one paragraph to make a few points. You obviously like spending time here, taking your work breaks or whatever.

[choda]

Do I recall JJ scoring 7 goals last season, not a bad return for a midfielder, I can't remember many recent Spurs central midfielders scoring more than that.

It's not bad in fairness, but it's not just about goals though is it?

[JJ]

It's not bad in fairness, but it's not just about goals though is it?

But of all the midfielders we've signed (that actually play), he was expected to do most of the goal scoring from midfield. He's our "attacking" midfielder, apparently....

[Chaydle]

I agree he is frustrating and when malbranque is fit I don't think he'll start every game but i think he has good potential, he's still relatively young and can only improve

[olly27]

thats all i was saying chadyle..exactly that..but apparently he's useless end of!

[olly27]

furthermore BMJ endorses choda's opinion..thats why he plays him week in week out...great minds thinking alike!

[JJ]

I agree he is frustrating and when malbranque is fit I don't think he'll start every game but i think he has good potential, he's still relatively young and can only improve

He definately has the potential, i remember a few screamers he scored for Newcastle. He just rarely ever seems to have a good game. He doesn't necessarily have bad games all the time, but his input is rarely memorable.

The problem we have is that we can't wait for a player to fulfill his potential, we need the performances now.

[Spur]

When Malbranque is here Jenas is odd's on to get the boot as he is certainly not as good as Steed is.

7 goals is good for a midfielder but like Chod says its not just about the goals. I mean you could subtract all the goals he has been at least partly at fualt for (like the Barry goal) and then he'll be ****ing drowning in the negative.

To put it simply, you can compare him to every player in his position, I have mentioned Cahill and Barton and Riquelme and Peter Pan numerous times. I would gladly sit here and go through every player in the Prem who can do his job and I guarentee that the vast majority would do it better. To think we spent 7mil on him when Cahill cost 1mil. Emre cost 5mil. Bullard cost 2mil. It's embarrassing for the club just like the player we bought is.

When he first joined we were all saying 'do we need him'? I'm going to say now that we don't need him, i'd rather play Ghaly or Murphy or Steed there, preferably Zokora there and Huddlestone can play the holding.

He contributes very little productive play, and it does harm the team. When you think of the chances he has had...he should be on 10 goals by now this season were it not for missing sitters. Ok, maybe thats a bit harsh but he should at least hit the target with them. And it's not just him we have all mentioned our inability to finish at the moment. Ghaly last night and Lennon seemingly forever.

We've mentioned that we don't score from set plays...coincidentally its Jenas thats takes them all. Wahey!!! Now we know why we never score from them how nice.

[olly27]

i agree with a lot of that but was simply pointing out that he's not completely useless..he does ball watch at times and agree with jj that he has few memorable performances(real class performances)..however he is impressive at times and its a pitty he can't take his game to the next level and become more consistent..i agree his place will be under threat but maybe he will produce more if he is dropped for a few games and gets the chance to prove himself again..but i have to say BMJ obviously feels like he's contributing well to the team regardless of what we all say as he as more than enough midfield options at his disposal.
However I would like to see zokora and hudd in the middle of the park..i think that could be a winner..

[nuttyhotspurs]

When Malbranque is here Jenas is odd's on to get the boot as he is certainly not as good as Steed is.

when will spurs fans realise that jenas isnt going to be dropped????? when malbranque is fit he will play on the left handside of midfield. there is no way whatsoever that jol will drop Jenas. Jenas is a 100%er in every game he plays for us, that is what the manager wants. sadly not all our midfielders have the same work ethic

HE WILL NOT BE DROPPED. CHANGE THE ****ING RECORD PLEASE

[olly27]

thats what i am saying nutty..he is a 100%er trying telling that to the rest of the jenas bashers..they just never drop it!lol

[Spur]

But do you think he should be dropped?

In my eyes his 100% equats to about 50% that of everyone else. Don't go getting me wrong, we all seem to agree that he is a fine athlete, he can run and run and run a bit more, but that's all he does. His running gets him nowhere as he has no end product.

This brings us back to his Nottingham Forest days when his end product was one of the things that made him such a bright prospect. It seems that some lights do eventually fade and Jenas' light has gone out quicker than most.

Those goals that JJ talks about were top quality. Right out of the top drawer.

So where the **** are they now?

At the end of the day we are a club with big ambitions to break the top four. We are not going to do that whilst there is no-one running our midfield.

If it is even only for this reason alone - he has to go.

[olly27]

this is a subjective debate (as our all in football) and there always is two sides to an argument. ..spur you say his runs are useless..they aint..his finishing has been poor but if you look at jenas he actually starts off a lot of good forward passages of play..his runs of the ball are impressive aswell drawing defenders away and cleverly creating room for our attackers or whoever is involed in the move..his movement is good..a good footballer sees a move develop two or three phases before it happens...but thats my opinion..thats all..

[Spur]

Rarely does Jenas run a distance with the ball. His running is all without. This is why Zokora is being touted by some, myself included, for the attacking role as he actually does Jenas' job on the pitch by running with the ball from his own half to the oppositions.

When Jenas does run with the ball he will generally hold onto the ball for far too long - something that was quite evident again yesterday as a good attacking moved was completely stopped by Jenas not passing despite having 3 glaringly decent chances to pass to a team-mate - all because of a Bruges player standing still 25 yards from goal... Eventually the ball went back to one of the centre halves. And I sat down in my seat with my head in my hands yet again whilst the bloke behind me said exactly what I was thinking (it was along the lines of 'Jenas is a waste of space').

Then yesterday I saw something I have never seen Jenas do. It was extremely surprising as not once has he bothered to try this before and he definately hasn't succeeding in doing. He tried to split open the defence 3 or 4 times throughout the match. WTF!?!?! He has never been the sort of player to look out a 20 yard pass which sends through a striker on goal. Of course he failed each time.

The thing is, when he does something good people on here like to highlight it and big him up. Only when I see him do something good it is my expectation that he be doing something good along the lines of other players who play in his position doing so.

It's something I don't get. A huge number of players will do these things as a normality, thats the point i'm trying to make. But Jenas doesn't.

[olly27]

this really is boring now..chow..work finished thank god

[Spur]

If you don't like it don't get involved. It's a ****ing discussion, we all have our views and with argument people do change. Just look at Choda, he was my arch nemesis about the 'Jenas problem' just a few weeks ago.

[mjbmedia]

when will spurs fans realise that jenas isnt going to be dropped????? when malbranque is fit he will play on the left handside of midfield. there is no way whatsoever that jol will drop Jenas. Jenas is a 100%er in every game he plays for us, that is what the manager wants. sadly not all our midfielders have the same work ethic

HE WILL NOT BE DROPPED. CHANGE THE ****ING RECORD PLEASE
spot on, maybe if some try watching what players do when the other team has the ball ,then you may realise Jenas' worth .

as for you Spur, yes it is a discussion, so why do you continually try to change peoples minds on something that they are already very definite on???? that isnt a discussion, thats brainwashing ;)
this is about the tenth time in ten games this issue has been raised (mainly by you) and to date its only Choda that has changed thir minds and even then Choda will debate that :p


we accept you dont rate him, accept we do, end of

[MarlowSpurs]

he's no super fit athelete like a pro footballer with a quick recovery system but for ten days or so he'll find it hard even to get out of bed.

I find it hard to get out of bed 365 days of the year, its not malaria I'm just a lazy ****

[choda]

furthermore BMJ endorses choda's opinion..thats why he plays him week in week out...great minds thinking alike!

Man, have you got an inferiority complex or something? I don't think I'm superior to you. I was just stating my opinion like everyone else, but you invented a problem with me and you weren't even involved in arguing the points.

Well done for making some points by the way. And they were points that made sense.

Were you afraid somebody would call you a know all or something?

I don't feel the need to attack you I don't know why your continually having a pop at me.

I'm not totally anti Jenas I just like to write my opinion and see what others say and have a discussion about it. Often times though people don't discuss but get defensive instead of having a chat about it.

I believe his is due to what psychologists call filling in the blanks. This is when blanks are to be filled in then humans often fill it in with a negative.

There are alot of blanks on a forum for body language, tone of voice etc.

As I've said before I'm on the fence about his kid but as the season has gone on I've gotten more and more fed up with him. I do believe he's costing us points and will cost us more.

I don't think he's ready for the big time as of yet at least. He may never be. This is my opinion. MJ probably doesn't agree, should I change what I think because of that? Of course not.

Nobody agrees on everytng and I do understand his liking of Jenas's ability to get about the pitch. I did have him in my central midfeild while Zokora and malbranque were out.

If you'd have actually bothered to chat about it with me you'd seen that my opinion is not that different to yours. It's just that I get more frustrated with him.

[olly27]

okay i'll eat humble pie on this one choda..i think we have got our wires crossed here..I do have a similar stance on the jenas issue (had a few beers so hope this makes sense!)..am frustrated aswell ..i too shouted at the tv the other knight 'how many chances does this guy need'..i just get exasperated when I hear that he's totally useless..I know you didn't quite put it like that though..ps sorry for being a royal prick earlier on! Its just I respect your opinion and normally find your posts interesting to read as you have a good knowledge of the game but just thought you were jumping on the bandwagon so to speak (as in jenas performance against bruge)

[neilmcnab]

with jenas ... we have to remember before him we were blessed with.. s.freund..and brown...running around givimg the ball back to the opposition...or not showing quality on the ball but put in almighty tackles..witch were somtimes reckless... on these jenas is an improvement.. but he needs to gauge himself on lampaard and gerrard.. the players who constantly keep him on bench fot england

[Spur]

spot on, maybe if some try watching what players do when the other team has the ball ,then you may realise Jenas' worth .

as for you Spur, yes it is a discussion, so why do you continually try to change peoples minds on something that they are already very definite on???? that isnt a discussion, thats brainwashing ;)
this is about the tenth time in ten games this issue has been raised (mainly by you) and to date its only Choda that has changed thir minds and even then Choda will debate that :p


we accept you dont rate him, accept we do, end of

I can accept that people rate him. I can't accept why and when the issue comes up i'll fight my case.

If it's the tenth time in ten games then it means he's done **** all for the lot of them. The only time this season I have seen him play a good game of football was against Besiktas, and i'm possibly going to blame that on having alot to drink. :D

I've been to the Lane this year for most games and sitting on that upper tier gives me a good view of the little people running around below. For some reason I have watched Jenas alot. Maybe it's because you's lot annihilated me for saying he was shit but so far i've seen nothing to change my mind.

As for viewing him when we don't have the ball...it's just as good as when we do (or should that be 'just as bad'...?). This is where I play the 'ball watching' card and 'getting walked around' not to mention two instances of plain embarrassment for the Club let alone the player (the two instances both refer to 'tackles' playing in an all lilywhite strip on two different european nights).

To be fair to him the games he generally plays better in are the big games. Who knows but he could be very handy this sunday and also when we're in Hampden.

[choda]

okay i'll eat humble pie on this one choda..i think we have got our wires crossed here..I do have a similar stance on the jenas issue (had a few beers so hope this makes sense!)..am frustrated aswell ..i too shouted at the tv the other knight 'how many chances does this guy need'..i just get exasperated when I hear that he's totally useless..I know you didn't quite put it like that though..ps sorry for being a royal prick earlier on! Its just I respect your opinion and normally find your posts interesting to read as you have a good knowledge of the game but just thought you were jumping on the bandwagon so to speak (as in jenas performance against bruge)

Cool. No worries.

[choda]

with jenas ... we have to remember before him we were blessed with.. s.freund..and brown...running around givimg the ball back to the opposition...or not showing quality on the ball but put in almighty tackles..witch were somtimes reckless... on these jenas is an improvement.. but he needs to gauge himself on lampaard and gerrard.. the players who constantly keep him on bench fot england

Freund was a totally different player. He wasn't the worst player ever. He won euro 96 and the cl with Dortmund.

He was a sitter, a water carrier and in my view not a bad one.

Your right that Jenas is on another level to Brown. But as you say we're becoming a top team not a mid table side and Jenas is to be judged by new standards.

[jrio]

There are a lot more players than just Gerrard and Lampard who will be keeping Jenas on the England bench. The comparisons to Barton and Cahill are very apt as Jenas doesn't produce displays on a level with those 2. Whilst he covers a lot of ground and makes a number of interceptions increasingly he looks more like a defensive midfielder than an attacking one. I've lost count of the number of times he's deeper than either Zokora or Huddlestone and is content to meander around the semi-circle. Tellingly MJ has never dropped him. even preferring to switch him to right-back than substitute him, which seemed quite odd.

I'd guess most fans from other clubs don't rate him too highly, and certainly not in the £8m range. Last season against Everton at home he seemed to have done nothing in the first half, yet in the space of 10 minutes in the second he'd crossed for Mido to score and then headed in a goal. We don't see nearly enough of that.

[DiamondGeezer]

just on the jenas debate

he is a good player if he wasnt he wouldnt be in the team

yes i think he has had some bad games and has missed some sitters but atleast he is there to take the shot!

i have a feeling that the next few games he will have some good performances and hopefully shut us all up cos i hope that is what we all want to be proved wrong by this guy, if not anything else but for the love of our team and he wears our colours!!!!

If jenas plays for spurs i will rate him like i rate every other spurs played and stay behind him 100% even if he has had some shit games!