missed chances

[neilmcnab]

as i mentioned yesterday only way we gona lose is dat we dont take our chances.. and yet again as with man u.. open goals... ledley.. and jenas wat a ***** puff...****** ... dopey ****... sorry had to get out the frustration...and as 4 robinson what a complacent fool...englands number 1 my arse... tianio... waste of space and murphy... has answerd the questions.. he aint up 2 shit... tianio i have time for... but murphy... i cud do beta.. and im over 40.. those davids bashers did u see urgency... that was a chance on a plate but pufta jenas decides to pose before he taps in... i feel sorry for the back 4 robbos not with it needs to be dropped...keano needs a rest... mido looks tired... zakora looks real good tho he was the only midfielder on display....

[Billywhizz]

Martin Jol needs to get the team working on finishing. i suggest a training technique

1. supply the player with a banjo
2. visit the local livestock sale and purchase a cow
3. gather the players together in a single file
4. park the cow's arse in front of the cue
5. then get the players one-by-one to smack the cow's arse with the banjo

and finally those who miss the cow's arse with a banjo are put up for sale

which would mean the whole team @ this rate

[choda]

KIKI MUSAMPA!!! Get him and get shot of Davids & Jenas!!

KIKI MUSAMPA!!! :rolleyes:

Yes he'll solve all our problems. And get rid of the guy who's won everything and even though he's getting on adds hugely to our squad in both depth and experience.

Kiki's a left winger which we need but he's not top class, he's a good player.

[Keanoldinho]

KIKI MUSAMPA!!! Get him and get shot of Davids & Jenas!!


you're a ****ing idiot

[Keanoldinho]

Nope, you are a blind faith ****. open yer eyes. Davids is livin on his rep. Sure he got in round the back and made a pass to Jenas to miss... but thats about all... Open yer eyes and wipe Davids shit outta them.


don't get mad at me because you're a thick ****

[neilmcnab]

u r a i wont waste my words we havent scored in how many games u ****... and the player who came on and created our open goal u say is blinding us ... u shud of gone to spec savers....fartin martin

[Keanoldinho]

that's nice because you also amuse me with all the brainless shite you type

[neilmcnab]

he neva got 1 cross or pass in u twerp... wat game do u watch ....and wat did go in was 10ft in the air... u really need to take a course on watchin football... maybe ics... or some local college /university must offer ... how to analyse a football match courses.....let me explain if jenas had put the ball in the net... the game wud of taken a different twist... he missed from 1yd out open goal and liverpool break... the play is stretched and they score... now we are not on level terms n e mor... so we have to chase game away ... at anfield....shall i draw u a diagram....if our chance is put away we slow the game down ...further mor its a centre kick...instead of pool breakin and scoring....phew deep breath...

[Keanoldinho]

Its my point, Davids manages one good move... and you think he is the answer to all our prayers. wake up. He is over the hill and a liability. FFS!! I would love to see him able to do that 4 or 5 times a match, but his usual patter this season is giving free kicks away by late challenges.

Sorry If I wont join the `I want Edgars baby` gang but I am a ****ing realist.

As for Jenas today, good running on the wing but woeful in the finish. But it again begs the question.. Where the **** was Keane and DeFoe? Its their JOB to be on the end of any cross or pass into the box....

ANGRY!!!


you're not a ****ing realist you're a ****ing idiot

who said Davids was the answer to our prayers? and who said we want to have Davids baby?

fact is he created our best chance of the game today and he also created our best chance of the game against manure

sure he commits the odd foul and likes to kick people but if you'd ever played the game before you'd realise that's a good thing and doesn't allow you to get bullied in the midfield or the other team to settle.

**** off and go buy some glasses you blind cock jumper

[laspur]

What's most alarming is the lack of confidence after the 1st goal. You could see the fight was over. Now with this mentality along with the scoring drought, our season hinges on Jol's shoulders to turn the mentality around or were fuc--d.

[bocayid]

I dont believe davids..thinks hes tha answer ,im sure hes been around long enough t orealise that hes not the palyer he was..and hes getting on a bit and makes some errors..however what does it say boout the rest of that shite shower that wear those proud shirts..when he comes off the bench and shows a sense of urgency and creates a goal..cos thtas wat it should ahve been..

Im not blind or stupid..and wont put ny player on a pedestal..but neither will i blame edgar davids for all our woes.

robbie and jd can only play together if they have a target man to hold the ball ..the vall constantly comes back to us..and when we have decent possession we have no one to play into and hold it up....therefore wiv no natural width and crosses ..we r neither one thing or another..which is y jd and keano cant get in the box enough they r yo yoing between the half way line and edge of box..without creating much...

and Jol on his post match analysis needs to open his eyes and say it as it is....

[hodgy]

to martin and keano. thanks for brightening up my day with your bickering. i love a bit of banter. anyway from a footballers point of view you are both right and wrong. davids does give alot of fouls away but at least he wants to win. the prob today was that when he came on as sub we lost our balance. from going from a natural 4-4-2 we went to rag ass rovers. thought zokora played well but hey lets get behind the team and support them as we are all spurs fans at the end of the day.

[MarlowSpurs]

Whats worrying me is todays best two chances didn't fall to our strikers but one to our midfield and the other to our defence. Not to mention six games in, two goals scored, eight goals conceded, only Charlton and Sheffield Utd have conceded more goals (One goal) What is going on we scored 15 goals in eight friendlies and beat the likes of Inter Milan.

[JJ]

Take our chances and we win. Simple as.

Once it start's happening, we're fine.

[nuttyhotspurs]

i knows its excuses but we missed king greatly at the start of the season (every team would find it hard without there best centre half) and now we are missing lennon another vital player. liverpool are half the side without gerrard, scum without henry as are manure without ronaldo. in my opinion henry, ronaldo (i hate the guy but its true) and lennon are the only players in the prem who no team can cope with when they are on fire. so with players like that out your side its hard to find something to fill the void

we havent had any luck yet this season with injuries (lennon, berbatov) and also in front of goal things could have gone the other way.

that said we desperately need to score in the league soon even if we don't win or else the drought will go on and on. things can only get better and we are due a few slices of luck along the way now arent we. things always even themselves out eventually.

lost away to Bolton, Manure and the pool (3 of the hardest away fixtures)

lost at home to evertonv(poor result)

drew at home to fulham (poor result)

its our home form that is most dissapointing at the minute. once we start banging them in at home, the away form should follow

COME ON YOU SPURS!!!

[choda]

to martin and keano. thanks for brightening up my day with your bickering. i love a bit of banter. anyway from a footballers point of view you are both right and wrong. davids does give alot of fouls away but at least he wants to win. the prob today was that when he came on as sub we lost our balance. from going from a natural 4-4-2 we went to rag ass rovers. thought zokora played well but hey lets get behind the team and support them as we are all spurs fans at the end of the day.

Murphy moved to the left wing. How is that a different system or rag ass rovers? Last ten he went to 433 when Mido came on for Murphy.

And just because you are a footballer it doesn't necessarily mean you understand the game very well. Most managers don't understand it fully, not to mind the players. Though of course it does help.

But I believe your talking shite there about us losing our balance/shape because of Davids. That was not a problem.

[JuicE]

The managers tactics were too little too late. Murphy was playing a decent game as was Zokora, the Strikers were lacking any service and what we needed was to shuffle midfield. Jenas missed a sitter but still did well enough to have the chance to try to score. Where were the strikers?
Anyway, The tactic was then take off a midfielder and bring on another striker! Two had no service from 4 midfielders, 3 strikers had **** all service from 3 midfielders.
We had one shot on target and that ain't good enough.

I ain't here to pile more shit on MJ but he ain't nothing special as a manager.

The first half was a pretty decent effort, the second was relegation form! We need to remember that this is the EPL, their ain't too many shit teams in it so we had better turn it round quick.

[Spur]

Well the players should know that as they have played here all their life.

I still don't see the problem with Davids and this 'giving away a load of free-kicks'... Is it just me that doesn't see it?

And as for Davids creating our best move that is exactly what Jenas should do when he is in the middle - BUT HE CAN'T!!! He is useless is JJ. Davids right now is 3 times the player Jenas will ever be. Murphy didn't put a foot wrong but he never did anything too productive - a few times he went backwards instead of forward.

Bring back Hudd pleeeeeeease MJ with Zokora - this means Zoko can make some storming runs forward from midfield as he seems our only decent player going forward at the moment.

It's so worrying. I will say now that playing Keane won't work with no winger/s as it is just far to narrow and compact for the whole team when he drops back. Only Defoe provided any width today and when he gets it out there theres no one in the middle.

Not seen a decent performance yet. Not happy. Need some goals.

[choda]

Well the players should know that as they have played here all their life.

I still don't see the problem with Davids and this 'giving away a load of free-kicks'... Is it just me that doesn't see it?

And as for Davids creating our best move that is exactly what Jenas should do when he is in the middle - BUT HE CAN'T!!! He is useless is JJ. Davids right now is 3 times the player Jenas will ever be. Murphy didn't put a foot wrong but he never did anything too productive - a few times he went backwards instead of forward.

Bring back Hudd pleeeeeeease MJ with Zokora - this means Zoko can make some storming runs forward from midfield as he seems our only decent player going forward at the moment.

It's so worrying. I will say now that playing Keane won't work with no winger/s as it is just far to narrow and compact for the whole team when he drops back. Only Defoe provided any width today and when he gets it out there theres no one in the middle.

Not seen a decent performance yet. Not happy. Need some goals.

Some good points there.

[Keanoldinho]

What's most alarming is the lack of confidence after the 1st goal. You could see the fight was over. Now with this mentality along with the scoring drought, our season hinges on Jol's shoulders to turn the mentality around or were fuc--d.


that pissed me off to. people say Davids ****ed up our balance but what actually happened was

A) Davids came on and created our best chance of the game with his first few touches

B) Jenas missed a wide open goal

C) The players are in shock from the gift Jenas missed and the scousers broke fast while we were in disbelief and took advantage of the moment.

D) After that we had to change the tactics because we were now chasing the game at Anfield

E) half the team gave up and then we got trounced

Tainio has been pissing me off lately as he does sweet **** all. He doesn't help or link up with Ekotto, he doesn't help the midfield or attack, and he seems to disappear for whole games at a time.

The only real positive I got from the game was Zokora and Muphy looked good in the middle of the park and Murphy delivered afew good set pieces. Jenas has looked better in the past two games on the right and credit were it's due 9 out of 10 times he would've buried that chance. We're back to the same 2 year dilemma WE NEED A ****ING LEFT WINGER AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! FFUUUUCCCKKKKKINNN EEEELLLLLLL!!!!!!!!

[fluke]

The managers tactics were too little too late. Murphy was playing a decent game as was Zokora, the Strikers were lacking any service and what we needed was to shuffle midfield. Jenas missed a sitter but still did well enough to have the chance to try to score. Where were the strikers?
Anyway, The tactic was then take off a midfielder and bring on another striker! Two had no service from 4 midfielders, 3 strikers had **** all service from 3 midfielders.
We had one shot on target and that ain't good enough.

I ain't here to pile more shit on MJ but he ain't nothing special as a manager.

The first half was a pretty decent effort, the second was relegation form! We need to remember that this is the EPL, their ain't too many shit teams in it so we had better turn it round quick.

could not agee more!

Last season had us experiencing consistancy for the first season in ages, Perhaps we're all feeling a little duped right now. We expected growth this season but seem to be reduced back to premiership plodders in the space of three months. from what I've seen this season so far, I'd settle for being a plodder right now. It's heartbreaking enough to make us squabble with each other and that's equally as depressing in my book.

This thread shows that we all have different perceptions of wether a player is genius or shite, a contributer or an improver. We can however agree that our defensive unit is better than good and our strikers are both highly rated. We have without any argument the future in englands starting right winger.
The most conentious positions among us all is our central midfield. So wether you dig any of them or not, the point is they are failing. Failing to cover the back, failing to mantain posession but crucually failing to provide service for our forwards.The cliche is that (Keane & Defoe) "had to feed of of scraps today". I couldn't even see any scraps. Logic would say that carrick has been a devastating loss.

So if you think Davids is "the man" or Jenas just needs time and he'll nail those three yard tap ins I hope you're right. The bottom line is right now they ain't doing it - none of them. Perhaps our hope lies in our French midfielder who we bought needing surgery and for whom we loaned away desperate wide cover (yeah I know hindsight blah, blah). i hope he is the missing link, if not we're in for a long winter. for the love of jesus i hope our astuteness in the marketplace come january improves over last summer. don't forget gentlemen, we have one extra cup to get knocked out of this season.

Sorry fellas to be so morose, but i'm gutted by what ive seen this season. we don't even have dodgy lasagne to blame.

[Keanoldinho]

I agree with most of that fluke BUT the fact of the matter is Zokora was class, Murphy pulled his own weight, and Davids set up the winner as did Murphy with his set piece for Ledley.

Jenas looked ok but was still not up to scratch and Tainio was ****ing awful. Our forwards are being defended by alot of people but if Ledley and Jenas can get into goal scoring positions then they should be able to as well. It's like they all forgot how to score over the summer.

[fluke]

Sorry mate, i don't want to sound fasciscious, but your mentioning setting up a "winner" in a game we lost 3 nil. I'm struggling a little bit here.

[bocayid]

with keane and defoe upfront together..and the way we r playing..theball keeps coming straight back at us..neither r able to hold it up long enough..

id love to see footy played into feet..but we aint good enough in the final third at the moment...we have to play a big lad up there to hold it up...

[SurreySpur]

I say we give the boy barney a go up front against pompey next week or possibly against Slavia on thurs,Hopefully his enthusiasm and desire could rub off on the rest of the team. Keano and defoe need waking up. Personally id drop defoe and have keano on the bench. Defoe's attitude pisses me off more than any other spurs player ive ever seen play.
Zokora and Murphy look like they could form a well balanced central midfield and the defence generally look solid.
We played a very good side yesterday and we got found out, this should be a wake up call for our young team.
I bet JJ scores against slavia.

[Keanoldinho]

Sorry mate, i don't want to sound fasciscious, but your mentioning setting up a "winner" in a game we lost 3 nil. I'm struggling a little bit here.


25mins: CHANCE. Big chance as well - Murphy curled in free-kick from the right, King, unchallenged, centre of the goal, six yards out, failed to make clean connection with header and it sailed wide.


62mins: CHANCE. Even better than King's in first half. Davids inside to Defoe, he released Davids through on goal, left channel, took ball into area before squaring for supporting Jenas, sliding in, didn't get proper connection and ball dribbled agonisingly wide.


Murphy and Davids both did everything they could and put great goalscoring opportunities on a silver platter for Ledley & Jenas. The score was still 0-0 and if we had of capitalized on them 2 hugh chances we'd of been 2-0 up and it would've been a totally different game.So they did set up the winners but the people they set up just didn't score them.

[mjbmedia]

last season it was silly errors giving away goals that cost us about 8-10 points
this season so far missed scoring opportunities have cost us 6 points.
1 v MAn u to tie, at least 1 v Fulham to win and 2 v Scousers to win (we wouldnt have conceeded three if we were 2-0 up!!!!!)

if we had ten points total we'd be looking pretty happy after the fixtures we've had =

extra training on finishing with a 10 mile run as punishment for everyone who doesnt score a certain % of chances .

[Spur]

A certain number of % of goal scoring chances? That's just torture on Michael Dawson yet to score even though he is on the end of every corner and free kick!!!

[Keanoldinho]

Erm, silly errors like that have cost us points every bloody season. Last season we prob had less mis-fortune.

as for the `if this` and `if that` sorry its bullshit, why bother to speculate, its simply torture to do so. If we won all our game we would be tittle winners last year...

The extra traing!, maybe... but I would add late challenges and miss-passes to the list if you are going down that route...


that's what 99% of your posts are:D ;)

[mjbmedia]

A certain number of % of goal scoring chances? That's just torture on Michael Dawson yet to score even though he is on the end of every corner and free kick!!!
then maybe he'll learn to score, thats the point ;)

[mjbmedia]

Erm, silly errors like that have cost us points every bloody season. Last season we prob had less mis-fortune.

as for the `if this` and `if that` sorry its bullshit, why bother to speculate, its simply torture to do so. If we won all our game we would be tittle winners last year...

The extra traing!, maybe... but I would add late challenges and miss-passes to the list if you are going down that route...
my point was that but for those 'ifs' most on here wouldnt be moaning the way they are . Its a fine line but an extra 6 points after those fixtures and we'd be happy, seems that many are actually bemoaning the results rather than the performances but the posts are actually attacking the performances when other than Bolton and Everton we werent outplayed at all

[DonJolSpurano]

if we'd have taken even 1 chance on saturday we'd have won. liverpool were poor.

[Spur]

And we weren't?

Those chances you talk about they were there. But it says alot that we had only one shot on target.

[hodgy]

Murphy moved to the left wing. How is that a different system or rag ass rovers? Last ten he went to 433 when Mido came on for Murphy.

And just because you are a footballer it doesn't necessarily mean you understand the game very well. Most managers don't understand it fully, not to mind the players. Though of course it does help.

But I believe your talking shite there about us losing our balance/shape because of Davids. That was not a problem.

what was the point of bringing davids on to play him inside and move murphy out to the left wing. the problem with that is,murphy who is a ball player and who is not a left midfielder naturally comes inside to find possession of the ball. this leaves us having a very narrow midfield with no outlets. therefore we have lost our shape and balance. it's only natural that when you play a centre midfielder on the left or for that matter on the right they are going to drift inside.

[neilmcnab]

heres the argument... murphy s starting position is wide left... to actually cover ekotto defensively... as he doesnt challenge for the ball and liverpool play thru the middle... but when we win possesion he can drift infield to gain the ball and play.... quick passes tryin to open up play and create spaces...and have shots? i think... lol...away to liverpool he doesnt offer as much as a foot out... much less a competitive challenge... against players lke sissoko and gerard and alonso..

[JJ]

And we weren't?

Those chances you talk about they were there. But it says alot that we had only one shot on target.

Well the 2 chances we created both had goal written all over them, but we missed. Had we scored either, the balance of the game would have been drastically different as we had contained them without any real problems for the first hour, and they had created practically nothing.

[spurs61]

Terrific, another abject defeat for the Lilywhite boys this weekend. I must admit that I only saw the first half due to other commitments (phew). Having switched the box off at half time I was generally satisfied with the attitude and performance of the players even allowing for Ledley’s glorious opportunity. So you can imagine my shock and horror on discovering that we had lost three nil!:mad:

Anyhow, in spite of my better judgement I took the rather foolhardy decision of watching the hour “highlights” on Footy 1st, the true extent of our capitulation both shocked and appalled me. Is this the same team as last year, where is the “never say die” attitude? Where is the desire and passion? Having conceded a stupid goal following a laughable and frankly inexcusable miss from the much lamented Jenas the entire team allowed their heads to drop and that was instantly capitalised upon by a workman like but well drilled Liverpool side.

By far the most alarming issue at the moment is the lack of goals but this is down to both the midfield and the strikers but mainly the management. We have not had the same strike pairing more than two games in a row meaning that none of our front men have been able to form a partnership. Mido and Keane should work but both are look tentative and rusty. Defoe clearly does not want to be at he club and his body language and work rate are a disgrace. His two starts for England didn’t exactly fire the imagination but Defoe showed more aptitude and desire with three lions on his chest than his has for 6 months in a Spurs shirt.

The management have made the same crass selection errors in midfield as well. As far as I can remember we have altered our midfield in every single game this season, again meaning that no genuine understandings can be fashioned. All this tells me is that Jol and Houghton have no idea who there best eleven are and what formation they should be playing. Given that the team is patently missing Carrick’s calming influence and vision it seems neglectful at best that his absence has not been addressed despite the fact that we have a ready made replacement in Tom Huddlestone. If the management feel that we in fact cannot replace Carrick then why are they sticking with a formation and style of play that is geared up for a Carrick style player?:confused: It is clear to most that Murphy is not an adequate replacement in the holding/creative role and despite some neat passing he seems to do a “Ruel Fox” after an hour or so and never really gets stuck in or on the same wavelength as the forwards.

I really can’t understand why we played two strikers at Anfield, this is a ground on which we have a monstrously poor record and given our listless and limp start to the campaign it was suicidal not to pack the midfield. With the midfield struggling to provide ammunition for the forwards there is no point in starting with two players who are effectively cut off from the game due to a lack of service. Surely it makes more sense to play 4-5-1 and concentrate on supplying one forward and allowing the midfield to get forward and support?

With the fixture list getting no easier for the foreseeable future I would suggest that the team and the management need a wake up call and fast! Jol can bang on about improving and taking time to gel the squad but, as I pointed out before, most other teams are off and running now and have an idea of their best side and formation. Here’s a drastic idea, pick the formation which best suits the players at the club, pick the right players for that formation, pick Huddlestone to replace Carrick, stick with the team and formation for at least two games. You may then find that the team actually “gels” rather than looking like a collection of eleven strangers.:(

[MiloMinderbinder]

spurs61 I agree re the formation on Saturday, it was quite clear that the best we could hope for was a draw, especially given the dearth of goals. The only way to do this was to cut off the service to Scouse forwards and limit the amount of time and space for Gerrard and how was this accomplished? by playing Danny "one paced, non tackling" Murphy, ok he can pass a ball but the rest of the team have to fight for his right to do so, and guess what, that can not happen when playing 4-4-2 period only in a 4-5-1 when you can outnumber the oppositon and retian possession for large periods of the game. So essentially we were set up to lose that one from the offing, 2 strikers of 5'5 neither of whom are scoring and an ineffective midfield player all add up to a bad bad tactical error, sorry guys MJ got it so far wrong as to be laughable, but guess what I don;t think we find it in the least bit amusing. The real breaking point is going to be Pompey, a failure to win that one especially if Saggy Faced Bung Boy (allegedly) out manouvers MJ in the tactics dept. :eek:

[Spur]

Nice summary. I also thought earlier about our never say die attitude. Last season if we went behind I still had hope and belief that the team would mouynt a serious challenge. Last season whilst at the Charlton game at the Valley we went 2 down and won 3-2. With this team at this point in time if we went 2 down we'd let another 2 in.

The argument for Huddlestone's inclusion I agree with 100%. We ARE missing Carrick - him going has made the rest of the team lost. Murphy is not adequate a replacement and the only midfielder of that Carrick mould is Huddlestone (plus he is better at defending). He shares Carrick's reading of the game and passing range so it does seem strange he is not starting.

The one game this season we have looked comfortable was Prague (except Sheff Utd as this IMO was down to Keane having an absolute stormer) - as soon as Huddlestone came off we started to look shaky. To be fair we started to wobble before then but still.

[JJ]

I don't really agree. For the 1st hour, we had them in our pockets, which would suggest that the tactics were correct. Liverpool like to play football through the midfield, and they weren't given the chance to play at all.

The turning point was Jenas' miss, it caught us off guard and our concentration slipped. Perhaps after that the tactics weren't changed in the correct way to try and get back into the game, but from the off we were more than a match for them and created 2 glaring chances, whereas they had no real chances at all.

[mjbmedia]

I don't really agree. For the 1st hour, we had them in our pockets, which would suggest that the tactics were correct. Liverpool like to play football through the midfield, and they weren't given the chance to play at all.

The turning point was Jenas' miss, it caught us off guard and our concentration slipped. Perhaps after that the tactics weren't changed in the correct way to try and get back into the game, but from the off we were more than a match for them and created 2 glaring chances, whereas they had no real chances at all.
yep, but when we lose the first hour is conveniently forgotten by many, only the result counts it seems

[fluke]

yep, but when we lose the first hour is conveniently forgotten by many, only the result counts it seems

EUREKA!
The answer to our problems is found. Make the game 60 mins and we'd be champions.

[Keanoldinho]

I don't agree either, afew facts are

A) we have a big squad

B) we have to rotate to keep everyone happy

show me a top class team that keeps the same starting eleven 2 weeks running. None of them do you have your star players ours are King & Lennon who're guaranteed a spot because they're irreplaceable but pro footballers should beable to slot into a formation and follow instructions.

Also Jol got the tactics spot on as already pointed out we were the better team for the first hour. If you want to know the biggest problem it was the players the ones that gave up after the first goal went in.

[dommo]

I just think that even though Tainio was quite he kept wide and limited Gerard. Once Davids came on Gerard seemed to come more and more into the game ultimately setting up the first goal. Ekkoto is playing reasonably well in games but is that good enough when he's at fault for most of the goals we have conceded.

In Davids defence he looks like he wants to win which is more than I can say for most of the others.

One lucky bounce which leads to a goal and before you know it we'll be back in the top 6. The goals will come sooner rather than later ( i hope )