Match Thread: Liverpool v Spurs

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after.

[Danishspurs]

Here hoping.... I have a real bad feeling about this one...

Hope I am wrong!

I have a real good feeling about this one.

Hope I am right:p

[Billywhizz]

Don't want to appear as a defeatest, but i think we'll get turnedover.

but you live in hope, never say never

[Chinaman]

We'll erupt and fill the 'Pool.

[jrio]

Interesting that he's pairing Keane and Defoe together, partly due to Mido having played 3 games in 10 days straight after arriving back at the club. I haven't been happy at how far wide Mido was played so hopefully we will see more of a goal threat today, especially if Murphy can rouse himself.

[SurreySpur]

How the **** did ledley fail to get his head on that murphy freekick!!

[Keanoldinho]

how the **** did noone get on the end of that ****nig freekick by Murphy

[SurreySpur]

mind you, i'll let ledley off because of that amazing tackle on that evil chav midget.

[nuttyhotspurs]

not a bad first half considering where we are and who we are playin.

defence great.king and dawson awesome again. chimbonda worth every penny we paid, definitely best rb in the prem. ekotto solid in defense its a shame he offers nothing going forward.

murphy and zakora both playing well and working hard. jenas getting in good positions buts needs to do more in final 3rd. tainio is none existent at the min im not sure he knows what hes doing to be honest.

we need to get keano and defoe in the game more in 2nd half but overall im happy enough so far

[bocayid]

nice and tidy..pretty solid at the back...but nothing in the final third....i think Murphy is doing ok..and is trying to open things up...Jenas is just making poor decisions when he gets the ball...and unfortuantely hes had more of the ball than most....

Thing is we can still win this one..robbos only had one save to make...and i think we can get inbetween the liverpool centre halves.....

COYS

[SurreySpur]

Half-time, so far so good. I just wish murphy pulled the trigger instead of slipping it through to defoe.
Murphy and jenas are playing well, although JJ's final ball has been poor. they're both showing for the ball which is encouraging. Chimbonda and Ekotto are potentially the best full-back partnership we've had in a VERY VERY long time.

[Billywhizz]

0-0 half time

so far, so good bit worried we don't have any cutting edge, on the plus side Zokora looks like he's winning the battle against Sissoko.

come on SPURS nick one, maybe see mido soon

[nuttyhotspurs]

Half-time, so far so good. I just wish murphy pulled the trigger instead of slipping it through to defoe.
Murphy and jenas are playing well, although JJ's final ball has been poor. they're both showing for the ball which is encouraging. Chimbonda and Ekotto are potentially the best full-back partnership we've had in a VERY VERY long time.

yea murhpy should of had a go, with a bit more confidence he would of. hes not done himself any harm though in the 1st half. also agree with what you said about ekotto and chimbo. if only ekotto could get forward like lee can

[SurreySpur]

Jenas you XXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about the language, But ****ing hell, how has he missed an OPEN ****ING GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuttyhotspurs]

now im pissed off

[bocayid]

UNBELIEVABLE...we made chances....we cant score..we cant ****ing score

[MarlowSpurs]

Steven Hawkings could have ****ing scored that

[Keanoldinho]

and that's it what a ****ING SHITE DAY I'M GOING TO HAVE NOW AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

[bocayid]

the thing is jenas got there..thats his job,,hes good a t getting in box..but i would like to have seen defoe or keane in there....ahead of him??...


i did see steven hawkins recharging the battery on his chair..mayb hes coming on...

Jenas i cant defend u nymore

[original v.L.n.]

what chance do we have with 12V 10 players???

Souness must have been pissing himself that he made 7mil out of that muppet.


Great now it's 2 and over.....

[Keanoldinho]

our defence looked great there true ****n quality

[nuttyhotspurs]

yea our forwards dont have a clue about getting in the box. credit to jenas for gettin there but hes should of buried it.

maybe we should play jenas up front hed probably bag a few more than our strikers at the min even with that miss.

[MarlowSpurs]

What excuse is MJ going to come up with this time for this pile of shit.

[Keanoldinho]

are we bottom of the league yet or just in the relegation spot?

[original v.L.n.]

in heavy dutch accent "well at least we're creating chances..."

[bocayid]

i feel for dawson and king..i really do....i said it b4 ..we need a proper striker..not ones that flatter to deceive,,i like keane..i rate defoes potential..but that dont get goals....id sum it up like this..we have strikers that if .(ever) we were 2 up theyd get the third goal..but in a tight game or when the pressures on they wont get the important one....

6 games in now...no excuses....something needs sorting..cos something is wrong..playing nice tidy footy..aint enough....

the longer it goes the more pressure....no eay games..portsmouth will be tough..and then chelsea soon...we should have won this....

if other results dont go our wauy we could b bottom tonight

[SurreySpur]

Every ****ing decision is going there way. Im really getting the hump now.

[MarlowSpurs]

Championship here we come

[original v.L.n.]

in all honesty top 10 will be tough now cos yeah we have tough games to come

[nuttyhotspurs]

crackin finish by our former target kuyt which rubs salt in the wounds.

who would of predicted this at the start of the season?

im really really worried, we are going to be in deep shit come christmas if it carries on like this.

[Keanoldinho]

Murphy and Zokora looked good today and we played a good game it's really just when we had our chance Jenas ****ed it up.

Davids made afew really nice passes to set the chance up to and his first touch looked good.

bottom line is if Jenas had of scored the gift of a chance Davids gave him it would've been a totally different game but he didn't and it wasn't and now I'm PISSED OFF.

[nuttyhotspurs]

if king had scored the simplest header ever in the 1st half jenas wouldnt of needed to score. our finishing is shite right through the team

[original v.L.n.]

yeah one idiots mistake ruins the rest of the day 4 all fans and another 1or3 points off our tally

[original v.L.n.]

dont belive this

[nuttyhotspurs]

world class strike. totally outplayed this half

[Keanoldinho]

and the beating is complete 3 ****ing 0

[MarlowSpurs]

This gets worse and ****ing worse
WE ARE IN DEEP SHIT

[Thfc4Life]

Why is Robbo so ****ing dodgy with long range shots?

[nuttyhotspurs]

where do we go from here?

[Keanoldinho]

well liverpool are back in the goals but we sure as **** aren't

[Indianspur]

funny how once he came on we conceded 3 goals.....dunno if the team heads go down once he influences things.not trying to be funny but it seems at the moment his presence doesnt do anything positive for the team even tho it may seem that he plays well now and again it doesnt make the team produce anything as a whole.

[SCIFIN17YID]

What ****ing bullshit omfg I get a msn messenger @ 14:40 that we are playing I go to skysport 2 and ****ing i see 3 - 0 and i only got a half a minute of watching it, OMFG 3 - 0 wtf, can some one tell me when the replay of this game will be on and what channel i want to watch this game.

[nuttyhotspurs]

yea i thought that. i cant see how he could have that much of an effect but jesus christ as soon as jenas missed that chance we collapsed. my god jol has he work cut out for him now

[nuttyhotspurs]

What ****ing bullshit omfg I get a msn messenger @ 14:40 that we are playing I go to skysport 2 and ****ing i see 3 - 0 and i only got a half a minute of watching it, OMFG 3 - 0 wtf, can some one tell me when the replay of this game will be on and what channel i want to watch this game.

a word of advice just watch the 1st half and thats all

[MACCSPURS]

I thought we would lose today, so anything else was a bonus.

Both our chances came before Liverpool scored but once they did it changed the game and you could see it in the players (after the Jenas miss) that they kinda gave up and Liverpool put on more pressure.

What I don't get is why Jol started with Defoe and Keane when we know he likes to play with an aggressive striker. Why buy Mido then put him on the bench? That aside, it's not his fault if we miss golden chances.....we could have been 2-0 up.

My biggest worry is Jenas is the new Jol golden boy like Carrick was last year. Now matter how they play, what they do, they never get dropped and never subbed.

Murphy played well today and was creative, he looked very annoyed when he was subbed and rightly so.

I think Davids expression after the Jenas miss summed up all our thoughts.

[Keanoldinho]

where do we go from here?


hopefully we go up the ****ing table

[original v.L.n.]

without a shadow of doubt for all the good he's done mj biggest mistake was buying jenas, not getting a proper lefty number 2

[SurreySpur]

How did jenas end up playing the whole 90mins?
Why did our heads drop so much after conceding the first goal?
Why did no one try andwrestle the midfield back? A few hard crunching challenges wouldn't have gone amiss( especially on gerrard or sissoko!!)

I honestly dont understand why we look so ****ing clueless. Now we have to put up with Andy Gray go on and on about Steven Gerrard.

Im going to get well drunk now!

[Indianspur]

Hopefully we can say we got the few of the difficult games outta the way now and go on a decent run of wins.its still early days and were allowed to lose 5 more games i reckon and still be able to finish 4th or 5th. we need to play some relegation material and hopefully the confidence will come back!

[nuttyhotspurs]

Hopefully we can say we got the few of the difficult games outta the way now and go on a decent run of wins.its still early days and were allowed to lose 5 more games i reckon and still be able to finish 4th or 5th. we need to play some relegation material and hopefully the confidence will come back!

are you havin a laugh mate?

[original v.L.n.]

. we need to play some relegation material and hopefully the confidence will come back!

portsmouth, villa, west ham,(watford),chelsea , yeah easy games ahead

[Keanoldinho]

funny how once he came on we conceded 3 goals.....dunno if the team heads go down once he influences things.not trying to be funny but it seems at the moment his presence doesnt do anything positive for the team even tho it may seem that he plays well now and again it doesnt make the team produce anything as a whole.


what a load of bullshit you left the part out were with his first few touches he created our best chance of the game and Jenas ****ed it up.

Then their goal got scored and the team were dejected after that. Tainio did nothing all game and is fast becoming shite

[nuttyhotspurs]

why have you put watford in brackets? u mean its an easy game? have you seen them play this season. they dont deserve to be where they are, i wish our players showed the amount of commitment and desire they do. im certainly not looking forward to us playing them

[original v.L.n.]

why have you put watford in brackets?


ok nothing easy but we should hopefully get something from them . Well actually we should get something with all of them except chelsea but that was until we forgot how to score

[nuttyhotspurs]

yes im puttin the golf on now to watch europe show spurs how to win something

[neilmcnab]

we had 1 in midfield... zakora... and dont matter who we play a chance is a chance an open goal is an open goal... we have missed so many and we must can see jenas is nothin but a poser... he is crap neva gets his head up has no vision for a midfield player... did u read his quotes he dont mind playin right mid .. he can deliver a cross... watch the game an see how many crosses he delivers... all of them blocked or hit the 1st defender...and 1 more thing mido will neva score b 4 xmas... any takers ....robbo needs a stint on the bench... hes to full of himself..those 3 were missing berba , lennon and malbranch ... we aint gona win til we get all 3 in the team... doom and gloom ... no reality...

[choda]

Murphy and Zokora looked good today and we played a good game it's really just when we had our chance Jenas ****ed it up.

Davids made afew really nice passes to set the chance up to and his first touch looked good.

bottom line is if Jenas had of scored the gift of a chance Davids gave him it would've been a totally different game but he didn't and it wasn't and now I'm PISSED OFF.

It's true. We were their match but it's just not happening for us. We need a bit of luck now. First half for me the passing was up to scratch, we passed it well. Passed it forward when we could and kept it rolling.

We were the better side but we still don't have enough attackers on the pitch. The difference for me was a bit of luck and the fact that they have two attackers on either side and we don't. Tainio is playing rubbish on the left and isn't a creator, Jenas is doing better but he's no gerrard is he?

It will turn but we also need a more attacking line up.

Of course retards are going to start picking on Davids again, even though it was nothing to do with him. We went behind and it was here we go again and the heads dropped, it all fell apart. To blame davids is like blaming black death on witchcraft... stupid.

He did hit some bad passes towards the end but he was the only one still trying to work and progress. He was often left isolated because the work rate of others had gone by that stage. Their enthusiasm naturally was gone.

In case you didn't notice when he came on he drove at the pool defence and created a chance John Stead would've scored. Jenas did great to get there but ****ing hell, nothing is going for us.

The heads dropping and the peformance falling apart was from it all going wrong again, and that was nothing to do with Davids.

Zokora was immense and we really don't need to start Davids now which is great. That gives us more options. Zokora is the next prem general.

Personally I think we'd be better to start the team below and give Zokora freedom to get up and down. He is very good driving forward. And I think it is time for the Hudd to start as the holding midfielder.

I can see the tide turning soon, but we need a goal and we need a win. At least MJ is recognising the problems working on them in training and making good decisions (even if he is not seeing these things immediately). His next good decision is a bolder line up.

We will still finish top five, I don't doubt it but we have to get going soon.

[Billywhizz]

What a ****in nightmare, everything was going o.k up until half time, **** me we need to work on our finishing if those two chances went in it would have been a different game, we can't live with teams that up the tempo why????

Jol's got to start earning his corn now and sort this shit out and stop using the excuse of the team starting to gel, it's needs to ****in gel now or we are going to be in serious shit street.

[choda]

I ****ing knew it..... Absolute ****ing shite. We looked like a team of shite playing pub football at times, then sublime passes at other stages.

Davids was wank!

When will the people see that the emporour is not wearing any clothes...

As for King, I can forgive him, he is not a striker by trade, unlike Defoe & Keano who were no-where near the near miss by Jenas.

Overall I think we will be lucky to finish insode the top 8 at this rate.

How many games will it be before MJ sorts out the midfield and `chokers` up front.

PISSED OFF!!!!:mad:

It's not the front players fault, trust me. They both did fairly well today, but they are isolated. They have to do it all on their own.

MJ is being overly cautious in his line up and we are also starved of luck right now. But you have to keep your head up and keep trying to reach your goals and you'll start to gain momentum.

It will all turn.

[neilmcnab]

a player jus comes on plays a 1...2 and gets in behind opposition.. the 1st time our teams has done so all game then plays in our player 4 a tap in and you discribe him as wank...u are a true football fan fathead fartin... if u read my post yesterday when u said we gona get mullered... i said how many chances do u think we gona miss... and u call jenas open goal a near miss... u sure u aunt his misses at home... waitin 4 him to get bak to u lol

[Keanoldinho]

Davids is a legend and still contributes alot on & off the football field, his only problem is he comes with such a big reputation people expect him to shoot lightning bolts out his arse.

On a positive note I think Zokora & Murphy could be the CM pairing to help us move forward this season. Jenas on the right works out to because he doesn't have as much responsibilty and gives him the freedom to get into good positions even if he misses them. Tainio has looked pants this season though so suprise suprise we need a LW.

[mjbmedia]

bit concerned that once again our 2nd half performance was a lot worse than our first half performance (and i dont just mean conceding three goals). MJs half time team talks dont seem to be setting the guys alight for a great 2nd half performance which is a change from most of last season.
Its like the MAN U ga,e , we matched or outplayed them for large periods, didnt take our chances and paid for it. we gotta shoot more, not try to walk it thru every time.

thing that really pisses me of tho is this set of stats.

we lost 3-0 away at ANfield and recieved ZERO bookings , ffs kick at least one of the scouse ****s (preferably breaking Gerrards leg)


o well current league leaders next game :p

[denis-cro]

4 away games...no goals scored:o ...

[bocayid]

I know we all have our favourites..but as people point out they r pros...they should take chances like the ones that have been missed and not just this afternoon...king isnt a forward no..but center halves get sent up on set pieces cos they can head the ball and chip in with goals..he should have scored..jenas should have scored..against man utd defoe should hav hit hte target at least..instead of having a free header and it hitting his shoulder...
against fulham...on corners we had chances where dawson lost his marker and his attempts at goal were abysmal......

Davids came off the bench and created best chance of the game.....simple...

without goals we r in serious shit....whether its league or cups.....

last year was our best year for ages but..but..we all got carried away...

we look unambitious going forward and give up to much time and space in midfield without the ball.


I know it unfashionable to criticise Jol..and i like the man....but the buck stops with him..like all managers...something is wrong..missing....

we dont just need odd wins we need a run and its hard to see how on this form...if we were scoring and losing well thats one thing...but we are awful in front of goals....

ok lennon is out..so is berby..and ,malbranque......but we could have won today.....

[SSS]

For me, i'm just looking to do as well or the same as last year, points wise.

So Last Year - This Year:

Home: W12 D5 L2 -- W1 D1 L1

Away: W6 D6 L7 -- W0 D0 L3

So i mean once last years targets become unattainable then i'll panick. But one good run and we are back on track for the top 6.

Next weekend we should be comfortably into the Uefa group stages, and a win again Pompey on the baird. THEN its onwards and upwards.

[neilmcnab]

the buck does stop wid jol... but he has been let down by his players in front of goal...and we look a laughing stock...serious ly these guys practice these skills all day every day...and when called upon they dont even make contact wid the ball....they shud be gettin stick.. and lots of it... but when the next game comes about we shud get behind the team...hopefully well see a few changes for nx match..

[Danishspurs]

Actually thought Jol did well today. The tactic worked very good for an hour, and if we had scored on some of our big chances it could have been a different match.

[Richard Wells]

The team played as well as ive seen them play so far in that 1st half. Getting players in good positions , good width. Its a shame that the ball always ended up with Jenas the boy has not got a brain. If King would have scored, or if Jenas would have scored we would not have been defeated . I feel sorry for the manager because he cant control what happens in moments like that he has to rely on the players. If we had got the result we would all be saying were back only way is up.

It was nice having the two small blokes up front as we had no choice but to get it down and play it instead of lumping it long from the back we played well. I even saw robbo play it short to a defenders feet today. Amazing.

The negatives - what is up with Robinson, he looks so nervous all the time. The one thing that really bothers me is that after we went one down, and then two, the players didnt look like thay had any fight in them, that they just accepted defeat, Liverpool coasted in that last 20 mins they were put under no pressure at all. Not good enough at all for the fans who pay thier hard earned money and support this team so well. Thay were not playing for the manager, like they didnt care and im starting to get worried that he has lost the dressing room. Remember Kings reaction when he got subbed a while back? Robinson ****ed up towrds the end and you saw him laughing. Murphy got subbed and walked off like he didnt have a care in the world. I dont think the players are behind the boss. I hope im wrong.

Finish on a positive - Chimbonda and Zakora, King and Dawson - world class today

[choda]

My dad made a good point to me tonight: He said, 'If he's going to start this team why not play Davids ahead of Tainio?'.

I couldn't agree more, how the **** can you keep playing Tainio ahead of a guy like Davids when he's playing so badly. Davids was our best player over the first four games.

However I'd like to change the team to have more creativity and attacking impetus and I'd probably take out Davids as Zokora is like him and in his prime... and put in other faces as below.

But if your playing Tainio on the left then why not play Daivds there. How the **** could Tainio be better than Davids.

[SCIFIN17YID]

a word of advice just watch the 1st half and thats all

Heh mate I luckily went back to skysports 2 and I saw the game highlight's and what I saw was horrible, Jenas = blimey pffft what a miss, bahhh I saw there goals and then just said to myself I dont even want to watch this match, hopefully It will be a whole new ball game, at home when we face them.

[mjbmedia]

end of the day we played not too badly up there and at Old Trafford (two of the hardest away games other than Stamford Tip) , we didnt take our chances in either game but those chances were created and creating that number of clear cut opportunities at places like OT and Anfield show that our midfield is working to some extent.
i firmly believe he needs to take the pressure off the front boys, pick two of them and say you are both playing for X number of games no matter what (at least until Berby comes back) , whether you score or not you will start the next game too etc etc , at the mo it seems they dont want chances cos if they miss them theyd be subbed and dropped , that pressure has to be removed until the confidence is back.

HAlf time team talks are clearly an issue , maybe he is losing the dressing room cos the 2nd half performances have been much worse than the first half in all but the opening match.

also why cant our players actually shoot at goal from 20+ yards , weve so far conceded 3 goals from long shots or as a result of a long shot (Giggs) and those chances have to be closed down more cos we cant rely on Robbo on them.

[bocayid]

Unfortunately u dont get points for playing well in the first half or bein unlucky or whatever whatever....this is the team that Jol has put together and these r his choices etc....we dont look like winning even when we have some good moments...and as for keane and defoe up front together...ok if u got the quality to play them in...we havn't...they never looked like scoring...

[Spur]

Has anyone else noticed that we have had about 4 shots on target all season?

This lack of shooting is shockingly bad. Nobody seems to have the testicles to swing their leg at the ball. And when they do it usually goes over. I'm waiting for Huddlestone and Zokora to start striking it because they both have a thunderous strike.

With the two of these starting it will free up Teemu and Jenas to get into more attacking positions so they can link up with the strikers - whomever they will be. And yes I know that I just said Jenas as at the moment, sadly, he is our only choice for the right. Teemu's only decent game so far was against Prague and who started in the middle? Zokora and Hudd can boss a game all game so let's see them doing it more.

[choda]

Has anyone else noticed that we have had about 4 shots on target all season?

This lack of shooting is shockingly bad. Nobody seems to have the testicles to swing their leg at the ball. And when they do it usually goes over. I'm waiting for Huddlestone and Zokora to start striking it because they both have a thunderous strike.

With the two of these starting it will free up Teemu and Jenas to get into more attacking positions so they can link up with the strikers - whomever they will be. And yes I know that I just said Jenas as at the moment, sadly, he is our only choice for the right. Teemu's only decent game so far was against Prague and who started in the middle? Zokora and Hudd can boss a game all game so let's see them doing it more.

I agree that Zokora and Hudd should be starting. Zokora is showing what he can do now and it gives us the option of playing the Hudd as a deep playmaker.

However I don't think it free's Tainio and Jenas up much more than now. They are out wide and free to attack when we get the ball regardless.
However Tainio is just basically playing penis right now. Did you say he was our most important player?

It could be a better central combination and that could help the team as a whole but Tainio an Jenas are free to attack now.

Jenas in fairness is doing okay, much better than Tainio anyway. But personally I wouldn't pick either of them now and I's use a different system using Hudd Zokora and Murphy or Ghaly in central mid.

Zokora looks to me to be a nox to box midfielder and too raw yet to play as a world class holding midfielder. Box to box midfielders have to learn that role ala Viera and Keane.

I think he'd be unbelievably dynamic box to box and that we'd get the best out him while he matures in the meantime in a role where he can run about like mad.

[Spur]

However I don't think it free's Tainio and Jenas up much more than now. They are out wide and free to attack when we get the ball regardless.
However Tainio is just basically playing penis right now. Did you say he was our most important player?

He may be going through a bit of a bad stage but the stats don't lie. With Teemu we have all our points and a goal advantage in a cup - without Teemu we have no points (and if he doesn't play on Thursday possibly no cup).

I admit he is playing poorly, but he is still hassling which is more than I can say for Jenas. He makes 3 tackles this season and people think he is hard working. He can't pass or cross or take free kicks and people think he is playing well? I don't get it. Our worse player this season by faaaaaar is Jenas. No doubt.

On the way back from Liverpool stopped at a service station and there were other yids there. We all had a chat and everyone was just slating Jenas. Top to bottom. Purely slating Jenas. He gives nothing to the team except rubbish. Last season it may have been more bearable because we was still winning but he was still one of our worst players last season. Only Stalteri was worse.

[MarlowSpurs]

The negatives - what is up with Robinson, he looks so nervous all the time.

It may just be me but I don't think Robbo looked alright since before the World Cup began. He looked nervous during the World Cup and still does now.
He can't seem to deal with crosses or long range shots, it may just be me but he don't look right.

[Keanoldinho]

[QUOTE=Spur;23367]He may be going through a bit of a bad stage but the stats don't lie. With Teemu we have all our points and a goal advantage in a cup


What r u on about we've lost to Everton and Liverpool with Teemu starting and to say Jenas(our leading scorer) has been our worst player by far this season is laughable when he's scored 2 goals and almost 3.

Teemu scores 2 against the Inter resrves and now people are creaming themselves over him all I've got left to say on the matter is WALOB.

[Spur]

Was Teemu in for the Everton game? I thought he was missing for Everton and Bolton...

[Keanoldinho]

Was Teemu in for the Everton game? I thought he was missing for Everton and Bolton...


yep he also started against Fulham were we dropped 2 points

TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
P.Robinson
B.Assou-Ekotto
C.Davenport
M.Dawson
Y.Lee
E.Davids
J.Jenas
A.Lennon
T.Tainio
D.Berbatov
R.Keane

Subs:

R.Cerny
A.Gardner
P.Stalteri
D.Zokora
J.Defoe

EVERTON
T.Howard
J.Lescott
G.Naysmith
P.Neville
J.Yobo
M.Arteta
T.Cahill
L.Carsley
K.Kilbane
L.Osman
A.Johnson

Subs:

R.Wright
T.Hibbert
D.Weir
J.Beattie
J.McFadden

[Spur]

Alright i'll give that one up.

At the end of the day out of the two I'd rather have Teemu. Of course it is down to opinion but I feel Teemu contributes more to the team. I know he isn't playing that well at the moment but he is still getting stuck in and causing a bit of trouble.

And Jenas top scorer I find it embarrassing quite frankly. The thing is Jenas is meant to be a 'box to box' midfielder. I think Zokora can more than adequately fill this role with Hufflestone playing behind.

The types of player Jenas is compared to with that label are Gerrard, Lampard and Ballack to name a few. Jenas is not even on the same page. He is in a different book FFS.

[Keanoldinho]

Teemu is very average at best so you should give that one up too and what fecking trouble is he causing other than giving Ekotto absolutely no cover or support?

Zokora and Murphy is the CM we need right now with Jenas on the RW and Davids on the LM. Hudd and Ghaly are quality and should be given the odd start and alot of sub appearances.

As for Gerrard, Lampard, and Ballack they're all a good bit older than Jenas and Ballack aside the 2 Englishmen used to get alot of stick when they were younger too. So my advice to you is get behind the kid as he clearly has the skill and with the fans behind him he will develop alot quicker.

[JM_]

Teemu is very average at best so you should give that one up too and what fecking trouble is he causing other than giving Ekotto absolutely no cover or support?

I'm going to have to defend Teemu! He's been playing out of position for almost a year now! He should be playing in the middle or on the right. I belive you think Murphy gave Ekotto some much needed cover when he got moved over to the left?? We have a curse lying over our left midfield at the moment... And Davids can't even play in that role becasue he always ends up in the middle and then we have absolutely no width!

But I admit I'm a bit dissapointed with Teemu, as his fighting spirit has been missing!

[Keanoldinho]

I'm going to have to defend Teemu! He's been playing out of position for almost a year now! He should be playing in the middle or on the right. I belive you think Murphy gave Ekotto some much needed cover when he got moved over to the left?? We have a curse lying over our left midfield at the moment... And Davids can't even play in that role becasue he always ends up in the middle and then we have absolutely no width!

But I admit I'm a bit dissapointed with Teemu, as his fighting spirit has been missing!


Ok mate I'm not going to start arguing with you about Teemu(even though I think he's shite) because you're from Finland too, but Davids does a better job on the LW than anyone else in our squad right now bar Lennon.

Against Liverpool he broke down the LW and created a great opportunity for you know who, and against manure he created a brilliant opportunity for Dawson with a chipped ball into the box from the LW, and also against Bolton from the LW he delivered another chip into the edge of the area for Berby to bring down and set Defoe up for a crack on goal

All that from the LW who else has created that many chances this season from anywere?

[choda]

You're right he's out of position and I used to be impressed by him, but you wouldn't drop any of the others for him. He wouldn't give anything extra. Murphy's a better footballer and we need some cleverness especially now and Jenas is covering amazing ground and doing farily well on the right.

You can get mad at Jenas but he's improving over the games and that is impressive, he started to show balls to try to pass it forward, keep it rolling earlier than anyone else bar Davids and he's also ****ing great athlete.

Those legs he has can get him about superbly. He could actually be the next lampard, he's got more ability than annoying Frank and he's more of a natural athlete. Franks's always been criticised, all the ****ing way but he's a good player. And strangely he's also overated by many, but still a great pro. I don't like to have a pop at him and saying he;s overated (even though he is) because he's done everything he can to be as good as he is and it's not his fault.

[mjbmedia]

. So my advice to you is get behind the kid as he clearly has the skill and with the fans behind him he will develop alot quicker.
100000000% correct if you're real fans that is

[JJ]

We are getting better. The victory will come soon enough.

[Welsh Spur]

Can't say I disagree with that. Hopefully Berbatov can return and show the other three how to swing.

[Spur]

100000000% correct if you're real fans that is

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

Real fans don't criticise players and have debate? I must not be a real fan then.

I am actually quite surprised about how much support Jenas is getting on here - maybe we expect different things but all I have seen this season is rubbish.

The game against Prague he was a different player - he got stuck in and he did run with the ball a few times (although I was extremely emabarrassed when he slid through an opposing players legs...). But every other game he has looked lazy. Vs Bolton he was strolling around the park without a care in the world. He doesn't seem to care - this is the thing that gets to me so much about him. Everything he does is lazy. His distribution is lazy. He holds onto the ball for far too long. His crossing is lacklustre to say the least. Ok so he is not a winger - big deal - he has played there enough in his career to know know what to do. He doesn't do it. Just lazy. 80 yard run the only thing he done all game against Pool. Only thing. One productive thing a match.

He has ALOT to prove now and my money is that he will fail to impress at all.

[mjbmedia]

to all the players knockers

so JJ missed a chance, Scholes done it v Reading very similar scenario, are Man U fans wishing him injuries? ok he may do more per game but then his team is playing better than ours so its easier.

DO you not all think JJ knows he ****ed up by missing? do you think that what he needs at the next home game is some fans being heard booing him, goading him, wishing him ill , you really think thats gonna get the best out of him, if anyone is really planning to do this then do us all a favour and dont bother going.

thing is he could have a blinder V whoever and it still wouldnt be good enough, some would still be saying, yeh but he should play like that every game, or its about bleeding time and any not so good thing he does would be highlighted and deemed to overshadow all the good he does , same scenario on here with Defoe, yeh both could and should be doing much better, but JJ and JD get berated yet who was it who put the 1-2 thru to Davids perfectly weighted and judged so Ed didnt have to break stride or direction yet Davids gets totally all the credit (he certainly deserved some) and Defoe and JJ get shafted cos you only see what matches your previously blinkered views

yeh youre fans, you may pay your monies, you have a right to views etc but when they start coming across as broken records, same thing every time no matter what it makes others wonder whether you just hate someone already and nowt they can do will change that

[Spur]

Well he hasn't played well in two years. I'm running out of patience. Like I say last year it was almost alright as we were winning. Now we are losing and he doesn't even seem bothered.

Perhaps some booing is exactly what he needs. Two players boo'ed in the last year are Owen Hargreaves and Peter Crouch - they have turned into must have players for England.

I hope he proves me wrong. I actually like the kid for some reason. But that doesn't change the fact - week in week out - he plays poorly for the team I love. If I sound like a broken record that shows that he is not getting any better. The miss was icing on the cake but this has gone on for long enough. Jenas is lillywhite is not on. He needs to shape up or we need to replace him it's as simple as. Same for Defoe.

[neilmcnab]

like i have said b4 4 he poses on the ball.... and he will miss other sitters this season....as he doesnt have urgency in his game he lives off a few scattered performances...and plays like he has nothin to prove...needs taking down a peg or two...and respect the fact he is hugely paid to do a midfield job...which entails running scoring and crossing as well as tackling....plus if u read his stuff he want the responsibility ... he knows he can cross a ball... n e footballer shud be able to davids can so can zakora....i dont hate jj ,... i dont rate jj...he an average midfielder...

[choda]

Here's my opinion on JJ. He's got a lot of potential ability and a serious engine when he uses it.

Last year he was just about worth his place in the side. I agreed with him playing. He was good, he gives you legs but he didn't set the world alight.

This year he needs to kick on and prove he's still worth a place in our continuing quest for improvement.

First four games or so he was awful. Well below even last season but of late he is showing signs that he is stepping up to the plate and really having a go.

He's being couragious and I think we should get behind the lad and hope he can fulfill his undoubted potential. He has more in his locker than Frank Lampard, if he keeps working and showing the balls to do the right things he will come good.

It's still up in the air right now but it is clear the boy is really trying and we should suspend the bashing and let him develop. It is unfair to criticise him the way he's turning himself around.

He's one of our better players at the minute overall. He's a ****ing superb athlete, don't underestimate how much ground he's covering at the moment, and the last few games he's been trying to step up the team's performances. He's playing with a bit of verve.

I understand your frustrations I really do but you should recognise how he's improving and not go picking on him. He doesn't deserve that. Don't pick on players unless they are horrific and will never have been or will be anything but shite, like say titus bramble, and just want them out for good.

He's not a lad that would respond well to booing I don't think. That could knock him back. Hargreaves is a tough ****er mentally, pure balls that guy, see the way he took his penalty. Different kettle of fish and Crouch is used to having to doubters. He's had doubters from day one of his career.

I think the abuse jenas got from england fans for absolutely no reason during the world cup (he wasn' even playing and people were picking on him) has a lot to do with his initially awful start to the season. He's young and takes it to heart. What makes you think singling out players for booing will help them? It is something they actually have to overcome, another obstacle.

I'm critical of players sometimes as we all are but I want to give them every chance to turn themselves around.

Having said all that I don't know if he is the future, I don't know if he's even the now if we played a more balanced system, he has a lot to prove but he's really trying, got bags of potential and he's not shite. That's all I will say.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Having said all that I don't know if he is the future, I don't know if he's even the now if we played a more balanced system, he has a lot to prove but he's really trying, got bags of potential and he's not shite. That's all I will say.[/QUOTE]

two words on this one Choda: Titus Shambles. All the attributes, all the ability, all the potential, nothing up top = shite player. I am not saying that Jenas is thick (I wish I was so stupid to earn 30k a week) but he has no footy brain, which is not something you can teach you either have it or you don't and I think Jenas doesn't, if he did he wouldn't be lying on his arse whilst the oppositon are raiding down his side of the pitch.

[Spur]

The abuse he got from England fans wasn't entirely his fault. He shouldn't have been in the squad so it makes people hate him even more that he was taken. Let's be brutally honest - he was the worst player in the England WC squad (bar Theo obv). He didn't warrant his place in the team.

I have said it before, when you look at other players in his position - Cahill, Barton, Scholes, Lamps, Gerrard, Parker - these are players that I would much rather see in our shirt - they have all had their doubters too but they came out fighting and took their game to the next level. They generally done it pretty quickly too but Jenas...He won't make it he just doesn't have it in him. The only thing I fear he thinks about is the money, the fame etc.

I'm not being funny but at least people like Lee Bowyer actually fight for the team. Jenas doesn't do anything on the pitch. He's just there. Taking up space and doing nothing productive if he gets the ball and runs a few paces he will turn around and pass it back, if he's in a perfect position to cross the ball - or take a corner - he will over hit it or not even get it into the box.

Sean Davis was never given his chance here but i'd gladly swap Jenas for him. Mendes too. The big one for me is Reo-Coker - quality player. Why aren't we getting or at least going for players that show spirit and fight. Michael Brown used to fight and show spirit. He just took out Cech and Cole would you see Jenas do that? No way.

[JJ]

two words on this one Choda: Titus Shambles. All the attributes, all the ability, all the potential, nothing up top = shite player. I am not saying that Jenas is thick (I wish I was so stupid to earn 30k a week) but he has no footy brain, which is not something you can teach you either have it or you don't and I think Jenas doesn't, if he did he wouldn't be lying on his arse whilst the oppositon are raiding down his side of the pitch.

Again i don't really agree. He sprinted the entire length of the pitch, caught up with Davids who had a good 20 yard headstart on him, then threw himself at the ball. If anything, Robbie Keane should have been covering his position while he was getting his breath back.

[JJ]

The abuse he got from England fans wasn't entirely his fault. He shouldn't have been in the squad so it makes people hate him even more that he was taken. Let's be brutally honest - he was the worst player in the England WC squad (bar Theo obv). He didn't warrant his place in the team.

I have said it before, when you look at other players in his position - Cahill, Barton, Scholes, Lamps, Gerrard, Parker - these are players that I would much rather see in our shirt - they have all had their doubters too but they came out fighting and took their game to the next level. They generally done it pretty quickly too but Jenas...He won't make it he just doesn't have it in him. The only thing I fear he thinks about is the money, the fame etc.

I'm not being funny but at least people like Lee Bowyer actually fight for the team. Jenas doesn't do anything on the pitch. He's just there. Taking up space and doing nothing productive if he gets the ball and runs a few paces he will turn around and pass it back, if he's in a perfect position to cross the ball - or take a corner - he will over hit it or not even get it into the box.

Sean Davis was never given his chance here but i'd gladly swap Jenas for him. Mendes too. The big one for me is Reo-Coker - quality player. Why aren't we getting or at least going for players that show spirit and fight. Michael Brown used to fight and show spirit. He just took out Cech and Cole would you see Jenas do that? No way.

Michael Brown is a ****. I have no time for players like him. He sets out to injure, not play football.

[SurreySpur]

Michael Brown isn't a ****, He gave his all everytime he pulled on a spurs shirt and you could see he had a genuine desire to win, as did mendes and davis(although he was limited due to injuries), Jermain Jenas could learn a lot from these players. There is no doubt, he has talent and he has been trying to put his foot in a little more this season.
Just before the season started i tipped jenas to be our player of the season this year, i thought he would step out of carrick's shadows, form a partnership with Didier Zokora and start fulfilling his potential.
So far it hasn't happened but im confident he'll pull his finger out. Along with defoe i find jenas the most annoying player we have had in many a year, they both have talent, theyre both young and they both have something to prove to the fans, yet they dont seemed to have that drive that makes good players great. Im sure thats what irritates us fans the most. I think they both think that they are a damn sight better than they actually are.

[Spur]

Michael Brown isn't a ****, He gave his all everytime he pulled on a spurs shirt and you could see he had a genuine desire to win, as did mendes and davis(although he was limited due to injuries), Jermain Jenas could learn a lot from these players.

Yes he could. Brownie always gave his all and i'm glad he got Ashley Cole as if anything he is the ****. They all had desire to win, to play and to make me proud (:rolleyes:).

I can't agree that Brown always went out of his way to hurt people and was not pleased with his actions on Robbie the other day, but I still like him and his style. Mainly just his work ethic and commitment. He didn't really contribute anything more than that anyway.

[JJ]

He two footed Sean Davis last season well off the ball, and he clearly stamped on Gigg's knee making no attempt to play the ball. I've seen him do it many times and he plays it off like its nothing bad.

Just because he doesn't carry himself like Robbie Savage, his intent is clear.

[choda]

I like Michael Brown. He was limited but extremely commited to spurs when he was here. Great pro.

He likes a tackle, I think that is a great quality. Very unfair I feel to say he goes out to injure, I don't think he does at all. He goes out to compete, put his foot in and do his best on the ball. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it is admirable.

As for Jenas and his 'lack of a football brain', I disagree with that, I think he has a decent brain. He started trying to pass it forward and keep it rolling earlier than anyone bar Davids, that showed he was thinking on the pitch.

I just think he needs to be produce more quality and to keep gaining more confidence and presence which he is doing.

Spur you are being very unfair. I bagged him for his first few performances aswell but give credit where it's due. I don't know what your watching when you repeat the old criticisms of passing it sideways and being lethargic. They are things he has not been doing lately at all. He's been galloping all over up and down, phenomonal athlete and he's being progressive with his passing.

Did you watch the last three games? Did you see him run 60 yards full sprint to get to Davids pass? I know he was unfortunate or made a balls of it or whatever but that sprint was pure drive, power and athleticism. The only other players on the pitch who'd have been able to do that would be Sissoko, Gerrard and Zokora. All outragous athletes which are few and far between anywhere else in the world. In the prem the only other I can think of now is Essien.

[Spur]

He two footed Sean Davis last season well off the ball, and he clearly stamped on Gigg's knee making no attempt to play the ball. I've seen him do it many times and he plays it off like its nothing bad.

Just because he doesn't carry himself like Robbie Savage, his intent is clear.

That Davis one was bad but they had history - we don't know the full extent of it.

Yes Choda I have watched the last three games and I have said what I have seen. He hasn't improved. Not one bit for my liking. He still seems dis-interested and still can't run nor pass nor cross. It is getting on my nerves too but at the end of the day if he was improving I would say so.

The fact is I haven't singled him out until after the Fulham game - except for the majority on here agreeing that he did sweet **** all during the opening games. Since then his only decent performance was against Prague. 1 in 7 games - na I don't like it.

I have said it before, i'm actually surprised at how much praise he is getting on here, and I don't care how much people hate me for it but people need to start attributing blame for poor performances. Is it coincidence that he is our main attacking midfielder yet we haven't had a shot outside the box in 2 years? I think not. We had one shot on target on saturday. One shot. Laughable. Pathetic. Don't get me wrong we played a decent first half but if you don't shoot you don't score.

Arsenal struggled in their first few games why? They didn't shoot. Now they are shooting and now they are scoring.

He is not the only one under-performing. But he is the only one doing **** all about trying to put it right. It's beyond belief that he merits a starting place, and I for one only hope it is because Lennon is out injured.

[choda]

Well I for one don't hate you but I don't know what your watching when you say his passing hasn't improved and that he doesn't run. He's a great runner.

[Spur]

Great runner of the ball?

The only time Jenas runs with the ball is when he holds onto it for far too long whilst staring at a teammate making a run into the opposition box.

And how good is this? One of his nicknames other - than 'JJ' - is 'Mr Invisible'. Sums him up nicely.

[choda]

Great runner of the ball?

The only time Jenas runs with the ball is when he holds onto it for far too long whilst staring at a teammate making a run into the opposition box.

And how good is this? One of his nicknames other - than 'JJ' - is 'Mr Invisible'. Sums him up nicely.

Did I say runner of the ball? That's not one of his strengths though it could be, he's got the running power.

Look, he's not my favourite player either, in fact I probably wouldn't pick him but you are overdoing it. He's been doing much better lately and he's got potential to be very good.

And I think your being very biased here by levelling all of this at him when your Tainio has been absolutely shite. That is not open minded to what is happening.

I like Tainio and thought he'd do well and I didn't know if Jenas was going to improve (and he wasn't showing signs) so quite inexpectedly in my eyes he has been miles better than Tainio of late. I don't think you are showing yourself to be open minded by not seeing this aswell.

[JJ]

He likes a tackle, I think that is a great quality. Very unfair I feel to say he goes out to injure, I don't think he does at all. He goes out to compete, put his foot in and do his best on the ball. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it is admirable.

Don't get me wrong, his work ethic is quality and he is very committed but he leaves studs in places he knows will catch players.

You don't ever see Davids or Zokora studding players on the knee, and they are just as strong and competitive.

[Spur]

Of course I see that Teemu is playing shite. However Teemu is not the one who is getting criticism from most support. Whilst in the away end last week no one stood up screaming and shouting at Teemu - but for Jenas they did.

Teemu at least gets stuck in. He made a jump for a header against two opponents. He challenges for the 40-60 balls. Even when not playing well he still gets stuck in. True enough he is struggling something terrible on the ball doing **** all going forward. But then people will say he's out of position blah blah blah. I don't buy that to be honest. He plays there so should be good there and last season when he played he was an good player. An important player.

Jermaine 'Mr Invisible' Jenas hasn't performed in 45 games...explain that. He struggles to get going and when he is going isn't going for long. Rarely does he prove to be a class player with class feet and a head for football. Rarely. This season I have not seen it once with exception to the Prague game, as I have mentioned. Other than that he has been toilet and by far and away our worst player on more than one occasion.

And it was me that said runner of the ball that was the point I am making.

[choda]

Of course I see that Teemu is playing shite. However Teemu is not the one who is getting criticism from most support. Whilst in the away end last week no one stood up screaming and shouting at Teemu - but for Jenas they did.

Teemu at least gets stuck in. He made a jump for a header against two opponents. He challenges for the 40-60 balls. Even when not playing well he still gets stuck in. True enough he is struggling something terrible on the ball doing **** all going forward. But then people will say he's out of position blah blah blah. I don't buy that to be honest. He plays there so should be good there and last season when he played he was an good player. An important player.

Jermaine 'Mr Invisible' Jenas hasn't performed in 45 games...explain that. He struggles to get going and when he is going isn't going for long. Rarely does he prove to be a class player with class feet and a head for football. Rarely. This season I have not seen it once with exception to the Prague game, as I have mentioned. Other than that he has been toilet and by far and away our worst player on more than one occasion.

And it was me that said runner of the ball that was the point I am making.

I'm getting tired of this, your hell bent against him to the point where your not even seeing reason anymore.

He has performed since he's been here. He did enough to merit his place last year. He did well, no more no less, but that and his engine was enough to merit his place last year.

This year he has to step it up and to be honest he needs to keep improving like he has done over the games this year or he will not be worth his place. In fact if I was picking the team I just wouldn't pick him because I think Zokora can do his role in central midfield much better and I don't like this 4 cm's across midfield. I'd be using a different system for now and in that for balance I'd have somebody more creative beside Zokora and the Hudd.

But he is covering an awful lot of ground at the moment and he is getting his tackles in, he is also trying to get the team playing.

He no world beater yet at least and he has oceans to prove (I'm not a big fan) but your being awfully unfair on the lad. Credit where it's due he's starting to do the right things even if his quality and presence still needs much improving.

Don't bother replying if you don't want to we'll just agree to disagree.

[jrio]

It is ridiculous to say JJ hasn't performed for 45 games but the problem he's got is that he's a player no one here really wanted and thought the price was a few million then we should have paid, especially since no other club was in for him.

How much worse would he look playing where Tainio is? There are much less expectations of Tainio as he was a free transfer and clearly doesn't have the ability of JJ. Unfortunately a lot of the flair he showed last season seems to have evaporated.

JJ seems to have developed a penchant for missing open goals. After the Newcastle game it seems unbelieveable that several games later he commits an even worse miss. It kinda defeats the object of expending all that effort to get in the position of having an open goal.

[mjbmedia]

Of course I see that Teemu is playing shite. However Teemu is not the one who is getting criticism from most support. Whilst in the away end last week no one stood up screaming and shouting at Teemu - but for Jenas they did.


Mate first off no one hates anyone on here , we may disagree, strongly at times , but we're all after the same goal
so a number of fans slate him, so you join in, its easier than telling the away neathanderals that frequently travel to spurs away games that actually his improving and maybe they should support their players at the time when they really need their support.
why dont they harrass Keane (i dont want them to ) Defoe or Tainio or Robbo , theyre not exactly covering themselves with glory at the mo, ditto nearly every member of the team.
to the neathanderals theres always one they pick on, used to be Terry Fenwick, Edinburgh, Stewart, Richards etc etc cos to them its safety in numbers only , on their own their thick useless wimps but in a group of 200+ all chanting the same thing theyre cool!!!!and of course many just join in even tho they know better.

dont join them, youre better than them support all your players, its clear you want to from what you say on here , i can tell youd like nothing more than to come on here sunday evening saying JJs hatrick ****ing quality

hes definitely playing better with Zokora alongside him and i still say he'll be our player of the season

[Spur]

Perhaps I just expect too much... Perhaps us on here have different expectations...

My expectation is that JJ, as our main attacking presence in midfield, should be scoring double figures (admittedly 7 goals is a decent amount for a midfielder) and setting up double figures and it should be him running the show just like other players in his positions in different teams. You name the top ten players in the world and the majoirty will be in JJ's position. And worse still we could be in a position to bid for these players. Even more so had we had the 7mil (although I read yesterday it increases to 9mil once we reach europe) from his transfer.

For me he isn't doing it. I may have gone over the top on a few points but I just can't see him getting any better. He seems to be a shadow of his former self this season - and his former self wasn't that good either.

[mjbmedia]

its called frustration , we all have it , should have heard what most people called him straight away, but we all still want him to come good im sure.

totally agree he should and could be doing a lot lot better, but so could every member of that squad